At 3:03 PM -0500 2/19/05, David G. Friedman wrote:
Joe,
Your comment on testing CoR (Struts v1.3 or struts-chains) interests me.
How would that be done? Do you suggest JUnit, TestNG, or something else? sI
looked a little at StrutsTestCase and something about it bothers me, but
what I can't exactly
t: Saturday, February 19, 2005 2:14 PM
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> Thanks, Vic. I would suggest that they are not competitors for the
> same job under normal circumstances. IoC might be seen as for a
> plumbing strategy (archi
Joe,
Your comment on testing CoR (Struts v1.3 or struts-chains) interests me.
How would that be done? Do you suggest JUnit, TestNG, or something else? sI
looked a little at StrutsTestCase and something about it bothers me, but
what I can't exactly identify.
> public User getUser() {
>return
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Does it mean I'm going made if Jack starts making sense? :)
Regards,
David
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Does it mean I'm going made if Jack starts making sense? :)
Regards,
David
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Thanks, Vic. I would suggest
Thanks, Vic. I would suggest that they are not competitors for the
same job under normal circumstances. IoC might be seen as for a
plumbing strategy (architecture), e.g. Action, RequestProcessor,
ActionForm, etc. as interfaces and CoR for implementation strategies
(application). I personally wou
I probably should have intimated more strongly that SomeInterface
could be Action. Helper could be Command/Chain, etc.
On Sat, 19 Feb 2005 10:31:26 -0800, Dakota Jack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 15:44:18 -0500, Rick Reumann
> > I'm wondering if you
> > could do something
On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 15:44:18 -0500, Rick Reumann
> I'm wondering if you
> could do something like this in a Command...
>
> public boolean execute(Context context) throws Exception{
>
> context.setAttribute("someList",someList);
> ...
> }
>
> and then from a JSP be able to somehow have
Obviously it's tough not to be too academic when you're not actually
cutting code, but the general tack I like to take is to wrap those
dependencies in classes of my own. So, in this case:
someDispatchMethod(...) {
(User)request.getSession().getAttribute("user");
you could instead have arranged
Joe Germuska wrote the following on 2/19/2005 11:56 AM:
The biggest gain I would
see out of it would be a further step towards reducing dependencies on
the HTTP API, which, despite your skepticism ;-) I think is a worthy
goal in itself.
Oh trust me, I'm all for it reducing dependency on the HTTP
At 11:49 PM -0500 2/18/05, Rick Reumann wrote:
Joe Germuska wrote the following on 2/18/2005 5:37 PM:
Well, I think you're blurring things here. When I talk about
"http-free" components, I'm talking about your business logic, not
your controllers (actions or commands).
But for most developers, t
Joe Germuska wrote the following on 2/18/2005 5:37 PM:
Well, I think you're blurring things here. When I talk about
"http-free" components, I'm talking about your business logic, not your
controllers (actions or commands).
But for most developers, the business logic usually is already self
cont
So the short answer is... I can't!
You use a QuickSort and a BubleSort in 2 diferent scenarios, one is good
for semi sorted data, the other for large sorts.
I used IoC to organize and configure classes after the fact.
With CoR I can re-use comands in a diferent context and still be
able to c
I understand how a chain works. Filters in the servlet API are a good
example. They are as you say, Vic, very useful. And I have some idea
of what the Struts chain is all about:
http://www.theserverside.com/news/thread.tss?thread_id=28092. What I
don't quite see is how they or CoR replace IoC.
Vic wrote:
It is by far my favorite topic (and for all early RiA adaters).
Email me a vin at friendvu.com or at (hardly used) forums at
sandraSF.com.
I use chain for SoA dispatching from hessian, not on JDNC side
(becuase JNLP classloader looks at digester as a security violation
:-( )
On JDNC
I think using commons-chain is a very cool idea, I just think the
reality is you'll end up still seeing much use of the
ServletActionContext from within the Command objects which goes
against your comment that you'll be able to write "http-free"
components as the chain events. I don't really se
Joe Germuska wrote the following on 2/18/2005 2:42 PM:
The ActionContext interface defines three maps, requestScope,
sessionScope, and applicationScope. We decided that these were
logically relevant to any Struts application, regardless of the
request/response API. Thus, as long as you're usin
At 1:48 PM -0600 2/18/05, Vic wrote:
There are 2 chains. One is the request processor chain, the heart of
Struts that Joe is donating design and implementation.
Hey, I'm just a follower here, refining stuff that was blasted out by
others (Craig, Don, Ted, I think... no offense to anyone I'm
miss
To summarize my question, what if you need to stuff different things
into the Request/Session based on things that happen in chains like
B_chainEvent and C_chainEvent?
The problem I see is many times you'll be stuck in the middle of a
chain cycle and you then need to interact with Request or Se
There are 2 chains. One is the request processor chain, the heart of
Struts that Joe is donating design and implementation. Most users in
Struts never touched it before, and likely will never touch it now; I
stay away from it (other than to see how it works so I can do mutlri row
CRUD).
So now
Since this is a theoretical discussion, maybe stating some of the
basics regarding HTTP would not be unwelcome.
1. WEB MVC STRUCTURE: The difference between standalone and web
applications in relationship to the MVC framework is that standalone
applications have components on screens which commun
It is by far my favorite topic (and for all early RiA adaters).
Email me a vin at friendvu.com or at (hardly used) forums at sandraSF.com.
I use chain for SoA dispatching from hessian, not on JDNC side (becuase
JNLP classloader looks at digester as a security violation :-( )
On JDNC I had to do
We used the bean framework portion of Spring in a couple applications. It was
very nice when the client decided to not use EJB Facades we could very simply
(less than 10 minutes) switch the whole app over to a POJO Façade. Granted we
wrote the POJO Facades at the time we were developing, and the
Joe Germuska wrote the following on 2/18/2005 12:32 PM:
Yes. If I may, what Ted, Vic, Don, and I are saying is that you should
treat Struts as an adapter between HTTP requests and an application
which has nothing to do with HTTP. Minimal business logic should be
embedded in the Struts layer, w
There was talk during a brainstorming session on the future of
Actions, where the idea was put out that perhaps Action could go away
and everything could be in the same chain catalog. I believe that
idea was eventually abandoned as Struts chain commands are going to
have the "execute(ActionContex
Thanks, Don. This is really, really, helpful. One last little
question, given this much, when there is talk that seems to envision
put action as a part of the chain, what does that relate to? That
seemingly could not be the part that has a chain supplanting the
request processor "in" the action
The inherent problem with following a developer list is you will hear
many different opinions, usually with the goal of coming to an agreed
solution or direction, but that direction, once agreed upon, usually
isn't clearly laid out. If you want clear direction, look at the user
guide, release note
Vic wrote:
You can put your toe in Spring(Tapestry or JSF) and see how it feels
becuase you know the Struts side.
Or. you can start doing commons-chain now! And then plug it into
anything. What Ted Husted said on dev list was words to the effect:
"people should be no longer be writing Struts app
At 8:50 AM -0800 2/18/05, Don Brown wrote:
One approach to building applications that is supported by Struts 1.3+
is to write a commons-chain based application and plug it into Struts,
however, that is only one approach while the existing Action class
approach still exists and will exist for a very
Thanks, Don. Much appreciated. The problem is that there is no
consistency on this. I tried, for example, to discuss naming and the
Struts chain and got severely stomped on for having the stupidity to
think that Struts and Commons could be considered seperately. I have
a real interest in chain,
Exactly, Wendy, what is intended is very hard to track.
Jack
> Wait... I think it was Joe who said that if we had never cared about the
> Struts RequestProcessor up to now, we could ignore 'chain' since it is just
> replacing things behind the scenes inside Struts.
>
> Is this something differ
One approach to building applications that is supported by Struts 1.3+
is to write a commons-chain based application and plug it into Struts,
however, that is only one approach while the existing Action class
approach still exists and will exist for a very long time.
Personally, I favor using eith
From: "Vic" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Or. you can start doing commons-chain now! And then plug it into
> anything. What Ted Husted said on dev list was words to the effect:
> "people should be no longer be writing Struts applications. They should
> be writing commons-chains (CoR) applications. Then ju
You seem to be thinking of "upgrading" from Struts while also
deploying your web application in Spring. If you search this list, I
believe you will find Mr. McClanahan saying that Struts is inferior to
other existing request based MVC web frameworks. You might want to
chase that down and to consi
You can put your toe in Spring(Tapestry or JSF) and see how it feels
becuase you know the Struts side.
Or. you can start doing commons-chain now! And then plug it into
anything. What Ted Husted said on dev list was words to the effect:
"people should be no longer be writing Struts applications.
Richard Reyes wrote:
Hello,
Whats the advantage of using spring for your persitence layer when you
can do it with struts?
Well, you don't really use "Spring" for your persistence layer, you use
Spring to simplify using your persistence layer, whether it's Hibernate,
Ibatis, or straight JDBC. It p
Without exception, every developer I have talked to personally that
has tried SpringMVC said it was way more complex than struts, and
ended up going back (almost all the way) to struts.
What I have heard is a killer combination is "Spring-managed Struts".
In this permutation, you use struts with a
Kris, as others have already mentioned, you can use Struts and Spring
together. Since you have four years of Struts you can leverage that
knowlege in the presentation layer and use Spring for a light-weight
container in the business/integration tier allowing it to provide
services such as decla
Richard Reyes wrote:
Whats the advantage of using spring for your persitence layer when you
can do it with struts?
I had the good fortune to read Rod Johnson & Juergen Hoeller's "J2EE
developement without EJB". From what I can glean from the book, Spring
is much more than a MVC or a Persistene
ng Spring along
> With Hibernate/ whatever spring supports... :-)
>
> Sorry for being so short :-)
>
> Regards
> marco
>
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Marco Mistroni wrote:
> You can use both of them at same time, for example using Struts
>for weblayer and Spring for persistence layer (if you have one..)
>
>
>
Huh? I thought Spring didn&
Marco Mistroni wrote:
You can use both of them at same time, for example using Struts
for weblayer and Spring for persistence layer (if you have one..)
Huh? I thought Spring didn't have it's own persistence layer (as far as
I know, Spring persists through iBatis or Hibernate).
Vamsee.
: Struts or SpringFramework
Hello,
I have used Struts for four years. And I am evaluating SpinrgFramework.
Anybody can give me some suggestions on them ??
Eric
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You might profit from dropping into you local bookstore and perusing
through Rod Johnson's "J2EE Development without EJB" which is really
good. Chapter 13 covers web tier design and the Web MVC that comes
with Spring. (Rod is the primary author of the ideas behind as well
as the code behind the S
I assume you know this but just in case: Struts (a web application
framework) is not a "rival" not for the Spring Framework (which is a
lightweight j2ee applicatoin framework). I assume, then, that you
must mean the standard web application framework that comes with
Spring? Is that right?
Jack
Hello,
I have used Struts for four years. And I am evaluating SpinrgFramework.
Anybody can give me some suggestions on them ??
Eric
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