Re: JavaFX for NetBeans GUI

2018-08-21 Thread Kai Uwe Pel
Hi Chuck, but it is no place for critical business data. Correct, I agree with you !!! Kai On 8/21/2018 7:23 PM, Chuck Davis wrote: And I'm with you.  I cannot feature the day I'll waste money on a Microsoft product or Apple product. And any IT manager who puts critical business

Re: JavaFX for NetBeans GUI

2018-08-21 Thread Chuck Davis
And I'm with you. I cannot feature the day I'll waste money on a Microsoft product or Apple product. And any IT manager who puts critical business data into a public cloud should be fired on the spot. A private cloud, ok. But public cloud, never! Cloud is fine for sharing pictures and document

Re: JavaFX for NetBeans GUI

2018-08-21 Thread Leo Donahue
I probably shouldn't have replied, but.. >> ... force customers to a browser interface For Windows users, this is where you are headed - https://www.microsoft.com/microsoft-365/partners/moderndesktop In a few years when you go buy a new Windows PC, what will it have spec wise? Probably very littl

Re: JavaFX for NetBeans GUI

2018-08-21 Thread Thomas Clancy
I was inspired from reading JavaFX for NetBeans GUI that I’ve started to build bits and pieces of a prototype for this. Finding myself unemployed again (something that’s really getting me down), I have plenty of time to think about this stuff and get my mind off my crumbling reality. --- Thom

Re: JavaFX for NetBeans GUI

2018-08-21 Thread Thomas Hubschman
Totally Agree. I recently started a new role and it was with great delight that I discovered 5 different Swing WebStart applications available from the intranet. Having developed in Swing, MS WinForms, MS WPF, AngularJS and ReactJS, I would say Swing on NetBeans has the best speed of development

Re: JavaFX for NetBeans GUI

2018-08-21 Thread Chuck Davis
And it's not going to become common in the consumer market if it keeps being threatened with abandonment, discontinuance, etc. Perhaps becoming open source will give people confidence it will be around for a while. Unfortunately, integration with other MS desktop offerings holds a powerful influen

Re: Best practice in bundling in JRE10 to a netbeans platform application?

2018-08-21 Thread Neil C Smith
On Tue, 21 Aug 2018 at 15:49, Andreas Hauffe wrote: > So I obviously I'm supposed to bundle the JRE to the installers > (Windows, Linux, MacOS). But what's about the OS-independent zip file. > What is the best way? Should I bundle all JRE's into one ZIP file or > should I create a ZIP file for eac

Best practice in bundling in JRE10 to a netbeans platform application?

2018-08-21 Thread Andreas Hauffe
Hi, I have a question on bundling the JRE to a netbeans platform application. As far as I got the idea, since JRE 9 I'm supposed to bundle the JRE to the application. So I obviously I'm supposed to bundle the JRE to the installers (Windows, Linux, MacOS). But what's about the OS-independent

Re: JavaFX for NetBeans GUI

2018-08-21 Thread Mithat Karaoglu
Quote from Chuck Davis's email: "...Combine a Java desktop app with a good server, EJB, JDBC and a good datastore -- good business environment. ..." I strongly agree, this is exactly what we are doing in our company. We have Windows, Linux and MAC desktops One large same desktop application runs o

Re: JavaFX for NetBeans GUI

2018-08-21 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
The Java desktop hasn't really found a place in software for small and medium businesses -- probably because .NET is so dominant in that space. However, that does not mean that the Java desktop has failed, since there's a LOT more in the software world than software for small and medium business. H

Re: JavaFX for NetBeans GUI

2018-08-21 Thread Miroslav Nachev
In support of what Chuck Davis said, I would like to say that more than 90% of the software for small and medium businesses in Bulgaria is made on Microsoft .NET and MS SQL Server Express. For example, accounting and payroll software for micro and small businesses is primarily on .NET, where the We

RE: JavaFX for NetBeans GUI

2018-08-21 Thread Eirik Bakke
> They have a monopoly on office productivity apps (Word / Excel) but what > other desktop software products are these 'small businesses' buying? PowerBI, Tableau, and Acrobat Pro come to mind. Other important desktop apps: Adobe Creative Suite (Photoshop, Illustrator, InDesign, Premiere), musi

Re: JavaFX for NetBeans GUI

2018-08-21 Thread Chuck Davis
Microsoft doesn't create the desktop apps. They created a rich environment for businesses to create the apps. Can you say Intuit (their on-line version is not a big hit from what I've heard)? Nearly all accounting packages are built for Windows only. Nearly everything used in businesses is buil

RE: JavaFX for Netbeans GUI

2018-08-21 Thread Jerry Nicholson
On Tue, Aug 21, 2018 at 8:05 AM, Miroslav Nachev mailto:mnachev.nscenter...@gmail.com>> wrote: Yes, it's a real pity, that so many years in Java world there is a gap for Desktop programming. The Java world has been waiting for JavaFX for over 20 years. Swing and AWT were a failure for

Re: [MASSMAIL]Re: NB 9 release still won't find updates or plugins.

2018-08-21 Thread José J . Rodriguez
Geertjan Wielenga wrote: Can you read this, please: https://blogs.apache.org/netbeans/entry/what-s-happened-to-my You will read about using this plugin portal: http://updates.netbeans.org/netbeans/updates/8.2/uc/final/distribution/catalog.xml.gz Sorry it took so long to get back. Geertjan,

RE: JavaFX for NetBeans GUI

2018-08-21 Thread Robert Erdt
Totally agree. Microsoft offers productivity products, only.. I am converting everything I use to Google apps. Look at EPIC (Healthcare Desktop Software) created in VB, total bomb We bought the product here and it blows. Now, look at Cerner, in java Need I say more BTW.. At GM,

Re: Agenda and doodle for Virtual Apache NetBeans Meeting 2

2018-08-21 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
Here's the recording (audio only) of the 2nd virtual meetup, held today -- we discussed current status of Apache NetBeans, followed by some new ideas and discussions: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQ72aZqwGec Gj On Tue, Aug 21, 2018 at 11:05 AM, Geertjan Wielenga < geertjan.wiele...@googlemai

Re: Heads up: #536: Per-cluster repository layout

2018-08-21 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
Sure. On the other hand, I'm always very quick to apologize, just want to make sure everyone is happy and comfortable. You can disagree, it makes sense, and I agree with you. But all I'm doing is trying to (1) push NetBeans forward via your great enhancements (2) while keeping everyone on board as

Re: Bundle JRE 10 to a netbeans platform application

2018-08-21 Thread Andreas Hauffe
Hi, I already did both. See https://issues.apache.org/jira/projects/NETBEANS/issues/NETBEANS-1157 The point is, that I don't understand how the zip-files with the precompiled native executables and libraries work and where they come from, that are used during the netbeans build process. So a

Re: Agenda and doodle for Virtual Apache NetBeans Meeting 2

2018-08-21 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
Reminder: this will take place an hour from now. :-) Gj On Fri, Aug 17, 2018 at 8:42 AM, Geertjan Wielenga < geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com> wrote: > Hi all, > > Two weeks ago we had our first virtual Apache NetBeans meeting, open to > anyone and everyone involved or interested in being involv

Re: Bundle JRE 10 to a netbeans platform application

2018-08-21 Thread Tushar Joshi
This looks like a necessary update for Java10 and shall be submitted as a PR against one issue created for this topic. Please think over it. with regards Tushar On Mon, Aug 20, 2018 at 9:11 PM Andreas Hauffe wrote: > Hi, > > thanks for the hint. > > But I just change the code of the windo

Re: JavaFX for NetBeans GUI

2018-08-21 Thread Emilian Bold
What new desktop apps did Microsoft release in the past years? They have a monopoly on office productivity apps (Word / Excel) but what other desktop software products are these 'small businesses' buying? Small businesses may be the biggest employer but they are not the biggest software (deskto

Re: JavaFX for NetBeans GUI

2018-08-21 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
On Tue, Aug 21, 2018 at 8:05 AM, Miroslav Nachev < mnachev.nscenter...@gmail.com> wrote: > Yes, it's a real pity, that so many years in Java world there is a gap for > Desktop programming. The Java world has been waiting for JavaFX for over 20 > years. Swing and AWT were a failure for Java and Des