With the tend towards globalization, Americans have no choice but to
interact a bit more with the world than even a couple of decades ago. With
that interaction comes an appreciation for how other people do things.
Granted, the majority still has no interest in leaving the continental US
even
would come from . maybe USMA
can hold a bake sale or something ...)
Ezra
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Kocz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I wonder if FMI is misinterpreting the optional metric-only part
and opposing it in a knee-jerk fashion
I visited a Mazda dealership to look at a Mazda 3. Like most cars nowadays,
it had an ambient temperature display on the dash. Thinking it a long shot,
I asked the salesman if there was a way to switch the temperature to
Celsius. He lit up, and said that yes there was, mentioning that he just
in communicating with
the public!
A good fundamental starting topic is Body Mass Index (BMI), with body mass
measured in kilograms and body height, in meters.
Gene.
Original message
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 15:08:08 -0400
From: Remek Kocz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [USMA:38695] Re: Is U.S. metrication
Stan,
From my impressions of it, medicine is a fairly conservative field, and for
a good reason. Since it deals with the health of a human being, there isn't
too much room for experimentation, and thus safety is of paramount
importance. But precisely for that reason, medical professionals
I've personally seen more of the don't care--won't object people in my
environment than the adamantly anti-metric ones.
So far as having an administration push for conversion, it would be good to
have at least the government enable standalone metric labeling, like the
FPLA amendment being
Hmmm, Mercedes really makes us metric fans work hard. I wish all the cars
had the E/M switch that my '91 Cutlass Supreme had. I had an all-digital
dash, and pressing the switch converted everything to metric. I lived in
Detroit back then, so my visits to Canada were frequent, and the E/M
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6533169.stm
BBC has reported on an American entrepreneur Dennis Hope who is selling land
on the moon. As expected, the price is listed per acre. Typical
enlightened approach.
Time to write them that you liked it and ask for more.
Remek
On 4/11/07, Mike Millet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm shocked that the AP has done this, but it's a good step. I've never
seen an AP story that uses dual units, I have however seen a lot of Reuters
and BBC and other stories but not
Although the primary subject of the section entitled Digital Diktat is the
brouhaha surrounding the metric martyrs, the summary gives a pretty positive
outlook for the metric system in the UK.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6481969.stm
Remek
In Poland 24h time is used for day to day activities. You invite guests
over for dinner at 16:00, you tell your friends that you stay up till 23:00
with the kids, etc. This is probably normal throughout continental Europe.
Remek
On 3/20/07, Stephen Gallagher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
A bit
Dan, chill a bit OK? (Pun intended). This is actually an interesting
topic. My cousin who is an inorganic chemist, told me that Fahrenheit
screwed up with the original 100 degrees. He had a bit of a fever the day
he measured his body temperature, but Mr. Fahrenheit's 100 degrees stuck,
and
Hopefully, the response of the class is telling of the general attitude in
the country. It's not too bad people don't care one way or another,
considering that the alternative is shrill resistance.
Remek
On 3/9/07, Mike Millet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think all the discussion worked as my
I go to Toronto a few times a year, and I haven't seen kilograms in proper
use. Deli meat is priced per 100 g, but everything else is per pound, with
kg in parenthesis or in smaller type. The scales at registers do, however,
work in kg only. Land is advertised only in acres, house areas only
I wonder what units are used for cooking in Canada?
On 3/3/07, STANLEY DOORE [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It's nice that other countries have all metric cookbooks; however, now in
the US we need an education materials and programs to help people cross the
learning barrier.
Regards, Stan Doore
I see this quite a bit in the volume area of consumer goods. The 399 mL
bottle of pomegranate juice that prefers to be known by its 13.5 fl oz size,
or the 399 mL bottle of generic shampoo that mimics Procter Gamble's 400
mL Head and Shoulders. In both cases you've got someone taking those
My recent letter to the Rochester Democrat and Chronicle has been
published. I tied senator Charles Schumer's recent push for more science
and math teachers with teaching metric at schools:
http://www.rochesterdandc.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070202/OPINION03/702020351/1040/OPINION
I'm sure that NG can't get away with this abroad, with perhaps the exception
of Canada or the UK. For certain the Polish edition of NG is 100% metric,
but with an interesting twist: metric is translated from the US edition's
USC, so you frequently end up with double conversion that makes for
deka (da) = 10 x base unit (ex. 1 dag = 10 g)
deci (d) = 0.1 x base unit (ex. 1 dm = 0.1 m)
Decimeters are also encountered in science, where they tend to be a
convenient unit for some applications. One of the most common uses of the
decimeter is dm^3, which is of course 1 L.
Remek
On
I've noted something similar on this forum a while ago. The NAM proposal
offers nothing for something. NAM offers support for amending the FPLA
without giving any definition of the word support. For all we know they
could just send one fax to a single member of congress and consider their
Nah, that's just a 1.5-pound bread (24 oz). They've just gotten nicer about
rounding things in metric, that's all.
Remek
On 11/18/06, Mike Millet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I don't know if this has been going on for a while but previously whenever
we bought bread it was in one pound sizes
I think that Walmart uses metric for their warehousing/distribution systems. I mentioned this before here, but if you ever visit the store when shelves are being stocked, the cardboard boxes containing any given product have their dimensions in centimeters and weight (I know, it's really mass) in
A quick update on Larry Niven: he did indeed see the light, and his books published in the eighties and nineties went metric. Remek
.
Fantasy novels are still mostly in miles though, at least the ones I've read. Or even worse, leagues. Still, the huge popularity of the scifi genre should help increas famliarity with metric measures.Mike
On 11/4/06, Remek Kocz
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Larry Niven is the author of the famous sci
Greg Bear's Darwin's Radio was very much confused when it came to using metric in its contemporary European settings. And that was a surprise, since Bear is very metric in his sci-fi novels. And I won't even bother with the almost complete lack of metric in the Da Vinci Code. Dan Brown would like
Larry Niven is the author of the famous sci-fi book, Ringworld. It's a modification of the Dyson sphere concept, where instead of a sphere, a gigantic ring surrounds the sun. Ringworld was written in 1970, so the profuse use of USC to convey practically all of the technical specs of the massive
Had a problem converting the file to a jpeg format, so I just uploaded it in the original bmp. Any conversion utility you could reccomend other than the Microsoft fare?RemekOn 10/22/06,
Nat Hager III [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Remek,
Thanks for posting, that is neat.
BTW I
would post any
Paul,From one of those coupon books that come with the Sunday newspaper. RemekOn 10/23/06, Paul Trusten, R.Ph.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Remek,from what publication, or from what source, did these coupons
come?
Paul T
- Original Message -
From:
Remek Kocz
To:
U.S
The comma being used as a decimal marker in metric product sizes is part of the bilingual copout that's been showing up on many products. It is assumed that metric is only for foreigners, so wherever measurements are given on the packaging, the English text contains only USC measures, while the
I forgot about seed packets. If they're light enough, they're labelled in grams or milligrams only. At some weight, they go to ounces only.On 10/22/06,
Mike Millet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I've actually seen another product with metric only measures on it. My Timex watch which I wear every day
of a space to show a connection rather than separate three digit
standalone numbers. This would be consistent with writing language.
A space still could be used in numberspresented intables and other
appropriate places without confusion.
Stan Doore
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From:
Remek
In Upstate New York we have Wegman's and Tops grocery stores, both of which have pretty extensive ethnic aisles with packaged food from around the world. Many of these items have metric-only labeling. On the mainstream shelves, I've only seen an occasional brand of olive oil that was metric-only.
Even in Canada the 591 mL is used rather than 600 mL. On a recent visit, I saw a promotional display at a store, luring customers with Get a free candy bar with any 591 mL product. Considering the fantastic job the Canadian dairy industry has done (4 L, 2 L, 1 L, and 250 mL milk cartons; 2 L
Stan,My grade-school education took place in Poland, in the early 1980's. I vividly remember learning about measurement in a second grade math class. We focused on prefixes, especially the more exotic ones, like deci and deka, and how to attach them to all base units. This was also the time that I
As stunning as National Geographic is, I usually don't bother reading it because of their steadfast refusal to use metric. A few days ago, though, I was given a NG copy in Polish, so I gave it a try, half worried that I may see dual measures in the text. My worries were quickly put to
This is a story of how 40 g of walnuts becomes 28 g. BBC's website in their Health section has reported that doctors from the Hospital Clinico in Barcelona are recommending eating an ounce (28 g) of walnuts a day to cut the damage from fatty foods. The full story can be found at this link:
The US Ikea or the Canadian one? The nearest Ikea for me is the one in Burlington, Ontario, so I can comment on their use of metric. All dimensions are expressed in centimeters, however the entire kitchen planning is done in inches and feet. Carpet sizes, if I remember, are also predominately
This is the time of the year when many of us write our legislators or various companies urging them to support our metric cause. Let's also take the time to say thanks to many companies that have decided to move towards metric. Whether we're saying 'thanks' for hard metric sizes of juice bottles
Humphreys [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Are the comments from ordinary members of the British public?One even tells me about a new way to tell the time ;-)From: Remek Kocz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: U.S. Metric Association usma@colostate.eduCC: U.S. Metric Association
usma
Good article. The comments were great as well, and quite telling. If most of the ordinary people can be this supportive of completing the metrication in the UK, it shows just how out of touch the politicians are when they worry about losing votes.
Remek
Hehe, that was my first thought when I heard the news. Glad to see that the specs are all metric. They're still using PSI for pressure though. Some things just can't be gotten rid of.Remek
On 9/1/06, Nat Hager III [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So Lockheed Martin's been
awarded the contract to
Yes, it's embarrasing, but I think that the rest of the world knows about our special situation. Their news outles probably translate this to metric. I doubt that the flight control will switch to metric anytime soon. Glad to see that the design and flight calculations are metric, though.
On
I've had very few pharmacy experiences, since kids have thankfully been fairly healthy. I do remember that it was a mixed bag with the liquid medications. Some were in hard metric sizes (125 or 200 mL, I believe) and some in USC. The smaller sizes were exclusively in metric. The measuring
we don't have many soccer commentators.
I have to say that this dumbing down grated mightily on my senses!
Cheers,
Pat Naughtin
PO Box 305, Belmont, 3216
Geelong, Australia
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.metricationmatters.com
On 11/07/06 2:23 PM, Remek Kocz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yes
Yes, the entire World Cup coverage in the States was all USC, from field distances to players' heights. At least we finally were able to watch all the games on mainstream TV, and the ratings exceeded expectations. The usage of yards is probably restricted to the English-speaking countries. I
What is WHN? On 7/4/06, Stan Jakuba [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dear Cindy:
I am writing to compliment you on the use of metric
units in the article you published a week ago. There you listed the elevation of
the locales in metres, and metres only (no conversion to feet, or yards,
etc.).
I
Could it be the critical point, where it's no longer possible to distinguish between two phases of matter? On a typical phase diagram you'll see it where the line separating liquid from gas phases abruptly terminates.
RemekOn 6/30/06, Pierre Abbat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The two fundamental
Someone at NPR fell asleep at the switch. Normally this would have been converted to yards or feet.On 6/26/06, Pierre Abbat
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:I just heard the news on NPR and they talked about an 800 meter tunnel
somewhere near Gaza. No conversion to anything else.phma
I shopped around for mini DVD's today. It looks like there is a good contingent of manufacturers who are not afraid to put the dimensions (8 cm) of the discs on their covers. Memorex and Panasonic take the lead here: they place the 8 cm right on the front. The more timid companies, like Fuji and
If you check FMI's site, the list of their members includes most of the big boys of retail: Walmart, Kmart, Mejier, Kroger, Wegman's, etc. I wonder who they really represent when they shoot down initiatives to amend the FPLA? Is the small-business component of FMI that vocal? FMI is certainly
16 m is 52.5 feet, so that number is exactly what you think it is. A trailer from Mexico perhaps? All the Canadian ones I've seen had 53 on the side.RemekOn 6/19/06,
Pierre Abbat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
with 16 written on the corner instead of the usual 53. Any of you have alongtape and can find
This weekend was one of the chance occasions that I listened to the Car Talk show on NPR. One of the callers asked a question about a 1 meter long piece of string that his wife found dangling from their car's muffler. He seemed to think that it was more like 2 meters, but nevermind, it was hanging
for Administration
National Math Panel
U.S. Department of Education
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Message-
From: Remek Kocz
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, June 02, 2006 12:18
PM
To: National Math Panel
Subject: Math Education
Ladies and
Gentlemen,
I am writing as a concerned parent
This would explain why I started seeing wire strippers with labeling in mm. It would be great news. This to a degree is the case in computer networking. IEEE defined cable length limitations in meters, so everyone is familiar with the maximum 100 m length of an ethernet wire. Network engineers
Norman,The example you present with adding fractions is a very poignant one. I've come across something similar when I spilled my metric and customary sockets on the floor and had to arrange them back in order in the toolbox. The sockets labeled with millimeters were ordered in moments. The
Yahoo! is chaning their main page, and they're taking in comments and suggestions. Visit them at www.yahoo.com and click on the Preview the all-new Yahoo! page at the top. A very visible part of their page is the weather, which is available in Fahrenheit only. When one clicks on the Weather
temperature? Weatherbug
does.
Regards, Stan Doore
- Original Message -
From:
Remek Kocz
To:
U.S. Metric Association
Cc:
U.S. Metric Association
Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2006 6:17 PM
Subject: [USMA:36821] Chance to voice
your opinion.
Yahoo! is chaning their main page
I read somewhere that they use MPG in Canada, even though it makes no sense in their metric environment. Any truth to this? In this situation, even km/L would be better than MPG.Remek
On 5/19/06, Harry Wyeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
There is a comic strip in the US, For Better or
for
Haha, I knew I stepped into a landmine just by saying that the US
invented TV. OK, let's just settle for the US having had a
disproportionate influence in commercialization of this medium.On 5/7/06, Anon Anon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:Remek Kocz wrote:US invented and popularized the television set
Not computer industry, but TV industry. After all, US invented and popularized the television set, and back in the 40's and 50's, 99% of people didn't even know that something like the metric system existed. The marketers are missing the obvious: using centimeters to categorize display size, will
>From my recent experience while visiting Poland, I can tell you that the inch sizes in a metric country are just an arbitrary number, like the dress size you mentioned. Advertisements that I've seen in Poland described the device as a 17 monitor, but clearly indicated the diagonal area in
- Original Message -
From:
Remek Kocz
To:
U.S. Metric Association
Cc:
U.S. Metric Association
Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2006 4:19
PM
Subject: [USMA:36693] Countering the
heritage argument.
I find that most of the positions against metric are pretty
easy to rebuff
they would wear to school, as you did with your son.JimOn Friday 21 April 2006 11:45, Remek Kocz wrote: My 6-year-old has been fascinated by the thermometer lately, so I took that
as an opportunity to teach him Celsius.He wants to know each morning which jacket to put on for school, so depending on how
Yes, people don't really understand what changeover to metric means. I run across the concerns that the football field will be changed or that 2x4's won't be called that, or that the inchworm will end up being 2.54 cm worm, etc. When it comes down to it, people get hung up on trivial things, and
That's always been my hunch. I've learned to spot the hidden metric in American news reports by listening for the word about that precedes any of the USC measures. The telltale about 6 miles or about 30 feet is a dead giveaway. In a way I feel sorry for the US news organizations having to go to
I watched the same show last night, and noticed what you did. The narration completely sanitized the metric, but the board did speak for itself.RemekOn 3/30/06,
Hillger, Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I watched PBS Nova's The Great Robot Race the other
night.
The article's author, Frank Mankiewicz, was the president of National Public Radio in the '70's and '80's. I wonder if his enmity towards the metric system has left an indelible stamp on the NPR. The otherwise progressive news service leaves a lot to be desired when it comes to letting metric slip
Yes, that's one of the reasons that I don't subscribe to Popular Science or The Discover Magazine. I believe that Scientific American is the only fully metric scientific publication with a reasonably wide reach. Most of the time they don't even put the USC conversions in parentheses. Just metric.
Mils are can be tricky. To a machinist they may be thousands of an inch, but to a chemist they're milliliters.Remek
Notice that if the article were in ounces only, it would be impossible to figure out what type of ounces we're talking about. It still doesn't explicitly state whether the 0.042 ounces are fluid or not, so it takes the metric unit to lead us to the right guess.
On 3/6/06, Paul Trusten, R.Ph.
The more I look at NAM's so-called offer, the more it looks like a raw deal for the metric cause. They gain something very concrete in return the nebulous support for metric-only product labeling. I'd love to find out what exactly their definition of support is. For all we know, they could just
Just wondering if anyone's been following the Olympic coverage on NBC
and could comment on the use (or disuse) of metric at this event.
Remek
Recently in my workplace the heat output of computer equipment racks was measured by a representative from APC. I was surprised that the guy used kilowatts to calculate the final figure. Usually BTU's would have been used, especially if he had to talk to the HVAC people. He did mention that he'd
Scott,Kudos on the video. It does get the point across very nicely.My comments: How about a soundtrack? :) More seriously, though, I'll question the need for 12th grade physics. When I took physics in 12th grade, it was about 90% metric. One comes away from a course like that seeing very little
efficient to standardize on metric sizes because (I
presume -- no firsthand knowledge) that metric sizes are what are used on the
Canadian side of the border.
Ezra
- Original Message -
From:
Remek Kocz
To:
U.S. Metric Association
Cc:
U.S. Metric Association
Sent
A friend of mine from Detroit is noticing a definite trend in the soft
drink bottles. The 1/2-liter bottle is replacing the 20 oz.
bottle in that area's grocery stores. Just about the only place
the 20 oz. bottles are available are convenience stores. Not the
same in a secondary market like
I just had some Tropicana grapefruit juice from a 450 mL bottle.
Tropicana is owned by Pepsico as well, so it's a change across the
board for the Pepsi-owned juices. Now if we can have the same
happen with soft drinks...
RemekOn 1/25/06, John Woelflein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I bought some Dole
Hehe, no of course not. I don't want a mugshot, even if it's exclusively metric. :)RemekOn 1/30/06, Howard Ressel
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Of course is it safe to assume that's not you in the picture?
Howard ResselProject Design Engineer, Region 4(585) 272-3372 Remek Kocz [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/28
Every now and again I see mugshots with two sets of units in the background. Inches on the right, and centimeters on the left. I've attached a sample photo with this message.I believe that all the ones I've seen are of US origin. And I don't think there is any international context to these
Considering that another juicemaker owned by Pesico, Tropicana, has
done the same thing with their Twisters (1.89L - 1.75L), it's
hardly a surprise. It looks like there is a trend emerging
among the giants, and it's in the right direction. Both Coca-Cola
(Simply Orange brand) and Pepsico
What Ezra is probably worried about is the past record of the Conservatives in Canada. I believe that they did attempt once or twice to reverse the progress of metric in that country. I share some concerns as to that as well, though my casual conversations with Canadians indicate that they are
I hope that EU will have enough clout by 2009 to finally turn down
any more requests for the extensions. That a group like FMI could shut
down a fairly innocent amendment to the FPLA under patently false pretenses
shows how little pull the issue of metrication has in the US. And that little
is on the Web. Weather.com allows users to choose Metric
for the current weather. However the forecast parts are still written in'customary units'.Linda BergeronOriginal Message FollowsFrom: Remek Kocz
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I'll take the milimeters any day rather than fractions of an inch. Speaking of which, fractions of an inch may not be used to indicate blood pressure, but they're certainly present on cuffs of electronic blood pressure devices. There was a set of instructions on how to line up the cuff and how to
hunting permits) guns are illegal in Mexico.
--
Scott Hudnall
From: Remek Kocz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: [USMA:35502] Interesting things
I live in Upstate New York, and my typical trip to Canada takes me either across the Rainbow Bridge (Niagara Falls) or Lewiston-Queenston Bridge. I haven't taken a trip using the L-Q Bridge in a while, one of the reasons being that it had some security-related roadwork having done around it. As I
to put a plural after
the symbol –
Just like below.
Illiteracy and innumeracy prevail
worldwide.
Carleton
From:
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Remek Kocz
Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2005
12:57
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Subject: [USMA:35383] CMS=cubic
Is it possible that the need for remaining backwards compatible with the old impact printers (the typewriter-like printers that are limited to a set of characers), so even if your software could do the job, you'd be limited by the capabilites of your output hardware? This would be more of an issue
Whenever I see the shelves being stocked at Walmart, the shipping boxes are nicely labeled in kilograms (KGS) and
in what I assume to be cubic meters (CMS). A rough estimate of
the volume of the boxes seems to confirm this. Has anyone else
encountered the CMS label?
Remek
Sorry, meant to post it to the group:
Give Ireland a generation, and it'll be like Canada, where even the
older folks will give you directions in kilometers. It's just a
question of people getting used to the new measurements, that's all.On 12/8/05, Stephen Humphreys [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote: 2.
I've had a chance to watch a few British shows on science geared
towards the general public. Their odd mix of feet, miles, pounds,
and degrees Celsius has always given me an impression that centigrade
has been most readily adopted in the UK, while the other metric
measures are still lagging
Out of a dozen or so tape measures at my local Lowe's, only one was
marked off in dual units. And it was easy to find, too, being
labeled 8m/25 feet. Of course the metric units are on the bottom
portion of the tape, so it's quite difficult to conveniently measure in
cm or mm. Good luck in finding
of ingredients, like a can of beans or
tomatoes.
With the above in mind, it would be relatively easy to convert the American cook to metric.
RemekOn 11/18/05, Pat Naughtin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
on 2005-11-18 14.37, Remek Kocz at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
From
the few cookbooks published
metric units.
These are the core sources of my recipes. I looked through them carefully after reading your message, thinking I On 11/19/05, Jim Elwell
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:At 19 November 2005, 08:29 AM, Remek Kocz wrote:
I've been exposed to quite a few American cookbooks, and ounces
You're talking about airsoft BB's, right? I've seen them in the
6.0 mm/0.12 g designations at Gander Mountain. Never saw any USC
units, even in parentheses. However, once I walked over to the
shotgun shells, the reality set in, as everything was in inches and
(!!) grains. Some manufacturers did
>From the few cookbooks published for the international English-speaking
audience, I noticed the 250 ml cup, and the 500g pound, but nothing
like what you've seen with the ounces. The books I have print
dual-unit recipes, but expressly warn the cook to stick either to
metric or Imperial measures.
in English, but all SI.
And I doubt they had too many complaints about it.
For what it's worth, a guy whose wife fills her own shells told me
that she weighs the loads in grams. Not grains--I specifically
asked.
On 11/17/05, Jim Elwell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At 17 11 05, 04:12 PM, Remek Kocz
Is GPS metric in the background, or is it USC. I recall only
seeing it described in USC terms, but that may be because I only looked
at information targeted at US consumer market.
You can add to this all of the Febreeze products. The spray
bottles come in 500mL and 800mL sizes, and the refill container is
1L. The metric values are stated first. PG makes this
product--congratulations are in order.
As a side note, I've noticed more and more products in the cleaning and
Thanks Bill.
I'll do the same during the weekend. I'll have to verify which of
FMI's members do business in upstate New York, but it looks like the
usual suspects are on Bill's list: Kmart, Walmart, Walgreen, and
Sears.
On 10/27/05, Jim Elwell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At 26 October 2005, 03:23
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