n PSI, even though all other
units, including temperature in Celsius, were metric]
Tom Wade
tom dot wade at tomwade dot eu
On 2015-10-05 15:54, Harry Wyeth wrote:
Thanks for the info. I was wondering about this very issue but
haven't gotten around to seeing the movie. I read the book and l
#x27;customary'
or 'US') - it is a legacy of the colonial past (which why I recommend
the term "Colonial System"). The Founding Fathers got rid of the pound
(currency), it is time to get rid of the pound (weight) that is
(literally) a drag on the economy.
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Tom Wade
tom.w...@tomwade.eu
uickly replaced one
pound (the currency) whereas metrication seeks to complete the task by
replacing the other one (the weight).
- it is a mild put-down without being simply an insulting term like
"Wombat" or "FFU" (Fred Flintstone Units).
Tom Wade
he metric system in this century
will be an excellent gauge of our overall progress and world leadership.
HARRY WYETH
Grass Valley, CA
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Tom Wade
tom.w...@tomwade.eu
and Euro (*) denominated coins needed to make up each amount. The Euro
denominations produce a smaller number of required coins for most of them.
Have more coin types, and carry around less as a result.
(*) not just Euro - our former punt had identical denominations, as does
the current pound.
'T
EXIST.
(By the way, if you're going to be this picky, you shouldn't write 280,000.00 either. It should be
either 280 000.00 or 280 000,00)
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is term is less emotional and more factually correct than phrases like FFU
(Fred Flintstone Units) or WOMBAT, and yet manages to convey a suitably mild negative connotation to
deflect those who wrap their resistance to change in the flag.
Tom Wade
liar, as I say my height is "one seventy four". In formal writing you could certainly
use the former, but this is "hidden centimeter", which is the appropriate precision to use in this case.
Tom Wade
> notice the plates, Wolfsburg, Germany. (WOB)
I had actually assumed it was a joke, and that WOB L was a pun for WOBBLE, implying it was somewhat
less than stable.
Tom Wade
herefore be supportive of allowing metric measures to be used on UK road signs, or
does your coalition of measures only apply to areas in which metric has a preponderance ?
Tom Wade
rather than 1740 mm *provided* you never need a precision greater than 1 cm. Note the the
first guideline would mitigate against choosing 1.02 m or 1.75 m (whole numbers preferable to decimals).
Tom Wade
x27;s remember that the inch is enemy - not the cm or liter, and
let's not keep misquoting the "rule of 1000" which refers to choosing
prefixes that yield a result in the range 1 to 1000 rather than avoiding
prefixes like centi.
Tom Wade
This person is confused. Rationally he prefers the metric system, but
emotionally he likes to say he dislikes it when he writes:
(Don't even get me started on the big metric system push. Is
it /kilommitters/ or /killo-meeters?/ I still don't know. I use it when
I build furniture because i
the fact that he uses cm throughout. Presumably this
hasn't hampered his use of the metric system too much.
Tom Wade
ain on the pocket) too.
Incidentally, which is bigger: the American 5c or 10c :-; ?
Tom Wade
re (outside
our two countries which were late joiners).
The fact is that it is decimalization that is at the heart of both the
currency reform and the metric system, and both demonstrate the
superiority of a system in which unit relationships are in harmony with
the base numbering system.
Tom Wade
y are under 50) have never been taught how
big one is, so they may well be saying 100 yards to indicate a distance
of 100 m. So it is quite possible 'yard' is simply a monosyllabic alias
for meter, and it would gradually become a localized (and rare) slang
like the French 'livre' or German 'pfund', which are now slang for 500g.
Tom Wade
h decision). Whereas the largely
positive attitude towards the EU here has helped metrication, the irresponsible use of the natural
resistance to change by Eurosceptics to link the two has denied British citizens the benefits of
enjoying an easier way to manage weights and measures.
Tom Wade
solutely fully.
While welcoming Lord Howe's comment above, it also displays the same curious British ignorance about
Ireland already displayed in this forum. The Republic of Ireland is not (nor was) in the British
Commonwealth.
Tom Wade
hat you referred to it as 'UK history',
suggesting a certain reluctance even now to admit we are a different
country.
Tom Wade
es of awkwardly factored units for human weight
depending on age).
Kilograms are gradually replacing the use of stones and pounds (American
style pounds only were never used here), but body dimensions are always
the last things that are converted.
Tom Wade
t to
the Consumer Agency also works wonders.
Tom Wade
It was under Blair that the current curriculum was formed - arguably the
most pro-EU and pro-metric government we've had since Heath in the early
70's
But was reintroducing imperial measure in schools something that Blair and his government pushed
through ? More likely it was something the
e would suggest removing them completely from the classroom as soon as possible.
Tom Wade
The state of plugs and sockets is in far worse a state than that of measurement
systems.
http://users.telenet.be/worldstandards/electricity.htm#plugs_g
gives a list of the main types, and where they are used. Unlike the metric vs imperial/colonial
argument, it is not a case of the whole worl
mm is easier to envisage
than 174 cm ?
Tom Wade
over inches or
centimeters in other applications such as engineering drawings. Why not apply the same logic here ?
Use the unit that is best suited to the range and precision required by the
application.
Tom Wade
particular professional group, as only they know their industry well
enough to decide. For most of them, mm will be the preferred unit, but
I think it is premature to extend this to a "cm-bad-mm-good" generalization.
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that chose cm.
It is important to establish which is correct, as otherwise we won't
find the right way to provide the best incentivization to such
industries to complete the change to metric - which is what we all want.
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ase "Rule of 1000" to refer to the attempted exclusion of
perfectly valid prefixes such as centi & deci lends far more official
credence than it merits.
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> Sometimes the market - when left to itself -
really does work well. ;-)
Not a very apt time, economically speaking, to be espousing this
particular position. :-)
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replacing colonial
usage with metric.
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aders in the car industry for many years. It's not who invents
something that counts, it's who can make the best use of it.
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e aim is to maximize the chances of the
metric system being accepted in the US, then it's a no-brainer which one
you should be touting: the one that looks like good 'ole American
spelling rather than this nasty 'furrin' thing. Let's not lose sight of
what the objective is.
I wonder if Tom Wade can confirm that this is also the case in Ireland. (I hope
so!)
I cannot say, as I have refused to watch any coverage of the Olympics
because of the country in which they have been held (human rights trumps
metrication as far as I am concerned
etric).
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speed signs, after many
years protracted delays by his predecessors.
Details: http://www.rte.ie/news/2008/0709/brennans.html
Condolences/comments: http://www.seamusbrennan.ie
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ce in people's live by the
Federal Government (I'm not saying it is, but this will be how it's seen).
(C) probably be rejected as something that didn't work in the past, and
won't work now.
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Adopting a common measurement system has no ramifications for national
sovereignty.
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they seek to deny it.
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rough spam logs, I found this wasn't the first one to
use metric units either.
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the only dual units on official signs there). Can't remember
seeing width signs there.
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cultural" clash would not be relevent. Given that both mm and cm are
familiar there, I would expect that the more convenient unit would tend
to be adopted.
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pleted a metric transition using millimeters rather than centimeters.
Show me even any garment industry in a metric country that is using
millimeters. Don't you think that if mm were the most appropriate units,
someone would be using them ?
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t it is based on multiples of 10,
shifting between them is trivial. Don't sacrifice this just because
something looks superficially neat.
(that's my 2 cents worth - or 20 millidollars if you really must insist).
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illimeters rather than meters to decimal
places. Applying the same logic, centimeters should be preferred over
meters for height.
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nds]. Even though one unit is
common to both, it is effectively two different systems, one for adults
(using a base 14) and one for children (using base 16).
The real reason they do it this way, is that they have always done it
this way.
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iament and sometimes by means of a Statutory Instrument.
This is also how it is implemented in Ireland.
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is the position in Canada with respect to instrumentation ?
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ied in the same way to all units is more important.
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remnant of your former occupation
is long past retirement.
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ck to what we've always used").
2. This one pertains only to the US. Which do you think will be more
likely to be met with a hostile response, the word 'metric' or a term
which is in French, and has the word 'international' in it ?
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een as a
purely EU thing in the UK, rather than a long overdue upgrade to the
system of weights and measures which would be just as necessary if the
UK were not a member.
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).
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er this is
a system to be used by ordinary people. Pick the prefix that you are most
comfortable with, but when educating, you must include everything between
mega and micro at the very least.
The centimeter and the liter are your friends.
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ns (often discussed here) in km/h ?3
Yes.
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ven more interesting.
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d the
secondary an awkward colonial conversion. In the past, the 0.042 would
have been rounded to 0.05 and the result reported as
... successfully extracted nearly 1/20 oz (1.6667 mL) ...
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Are the new speedos labeled in km/h (mph) or just km/h only?
km/h only.
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shipped since the start of the year, so its
influence will wane as time goes on.
The use of kilometers in speech has been increasing in recent
years increase. The publicity of the speed sign changeover
has accelerated it further.
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scientific article, the use of mm is more intuitive
to the TV viewer, as he can visualize the amount of rain needed to produce
flooding that deep.
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s are *required* and the imperial one optional. Where the
imperial ones are included they must not be of a bigger sized lettering
than the metric one.
This will probably be easier to enforce, and you don't actually have
to 'ban' anything.
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tric conversion
harder.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_and_British_English_differences
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either or both units ?
It seems you are only in favor of coexistence where imperial doesn't
already have a monopoly.
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hemselves meant that replacing them
with 'legal' ones was not an offense. Make the metric signs legal, and
you remove the barrier to prosecution.
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se such
legalization despite their normal argument that both should systems
be allowed coexist.
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by the decimeter, that way the numbers don't have to change.
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provide weighing machines capable
of metric *or dual* operation.
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I would not
disagree, although language purists might.
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and tolerance by a rigid theocratic dictatorship.
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s they obey (e.g. pay taxes at the rate
they *think* they should). This would be an unpractical mess - even
worse than your state of weights and measures.
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and the ban on metric usage in
certain shops by the so-called "metric martyrs".
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on.
Given that you claim to be in favor of consumer choice, how can you support
the actions of this man ? I can understand why you object to metric only
pricing on that ground, but supporting the attempt to suppress metric
units simply gives the lie to the notion that it is freedom of choice that
defi
a pound of bananas", and provide valuable if totally dishonest publicity.
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would be removed is the
anomaly of one EU country using a different set of units for speed, which
must have a small but finite risk of misunderstandings.
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ern Ireland) rather than first
past the post ?
>>As the Noble Member said "move with the times".
>
>Crime is higher than ever.
>Maybe I should become a criminal so as to "move with the times"
A facile analogy.
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, possibly because it
will be better for future generations. Taking polls asking which people
are more familiar with, and advancing them as proof that people oppose
a change is simply dishonest.
As the Noble Member said "move with the times".
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mainly used by banks, online
stock exchanges and lottery systems, it is rumored that OpenVMS is the
operating system that God runs the Earth Simulation on.
Perhaps we have something in common after all.
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currency amount, you don't really see that you're being ripped off, but
if your 50 l fill costs you much more than usual, you do.
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K, it would appear to you that
you were in a very non-metric country. For an American, it would probably
appear to be very metric. It is a comparative impression; we mainly
notice the differences.
Don't be hard on your compatriots - you're getting there :-)
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mess with currency that we now have with
measurement.
>St Patrick was Welsh, you know!
Most likely he was (although there are those who claim he was Roman
or from Gaul too). He certainly wasn't Irish. Fortunately, he found
that the Irish were a people that didn't reject new ideas
e
is now a non-issue (although there were traditionalists who grumbled
about it when they had to change), people in the future will look back
with the same incredulity at how you stuck it for so long.
Oh, and by the way, I wish you and everyone else on the list a very
happy St Patrick's day.
on to Colonial measure.
Doesn't this law require Caltrans to accept tenders for road construction
in metric ? I realize it doesn't outlaw tenders in Colonial measure, but
it would appear to give them a choice between metric only or either
system.
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tandard typing results
in a temporary loss of efficiency, because you are not used to it. Persevere,
and you'll never go back.
We should probably avoid straying into any further EU-in-or-out
argument, as it is off topic.
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enlighten us if you know differently. I am quite happy to change a
traditional point of view in the face of something better (which is what
this whole topic is about).
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in people's mortgage is a powerful argument to many
middle of the road people.
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plans to change "until
the majority of drivers have been educated in the metric system". This
can be read as "not in the immediate future" but is not a declaration of
"never".
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-Unionist publication, so their
metric stance cannot be dismissed as a politically motivated one
(as for example, a similar article in say An Phoblacht could be).
It is certainly heartening to see this opinion expressed.
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aps (no offense here) we are not as encumbered
with outdated delusions of empire as some of your compatriots are.
> ... a little bit like Mr Blair's wording for the up-coming question in
>the EU-constitution referendum ;-)
At the risk of going off topic, isn't this something a
ages just to spite the EU.
I also see that of the five negatives, three mentioned the EU. One of
these (the one claiming "another plot by German/French eurocrats") may not
have been entirely serious. After all, he finishes by saying "It ain't
the speed that kills. It'
signs).
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rough the AA). But they weren't interesting in
informing people of the truth, merely to reinforce this mythical idea that
metric reform never has public support, and is some form of Massive Conspiracy.
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tion of Monarchy.
:-)
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small boost.
Regards to All.
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ave been only
delighted to take up the issue and use it to bash the government. The truth
is that that this move received widespread support, as part of an ongoing
process of metrication that is not in the least bit controversial over here.
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he site, and has probably forgotten
about it, as nobody I checked with has ever heard sight nor sound of it since
it was set up. A BWMA front would at least be active.
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oad
construction done via the individual states) ?
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