If you look at the data from Netscan, you can get a feel for the
activity within a group, in general. From what I recall, this thread
originated with a discussion about the number of subscribers along
with the number of posts by various people, and an "activity"
percentage. I think the o
On Wed, 10 May 2006 12:39:23 +0200, R. Kristiansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> In my point of view, this yahoogroups was very useful in the very start
> of
> this movement, but it becomes ever less important as different
> subcultures
> grow. It is impossible to believe we can have One d
This is overall an interesting discussion. Myself, I haven't written much on this group for the last several months. Partly because I think there is a lot of noise on this list, and partly because well there are already loads of voices expressing themselves here - they be 70% or 1% it still is a
On Tue, 09 May 2006 18:17:51 +0200, David Meade <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> For a while anyway, both would surely co-exist. But if such a forum
> system
> had an easy public RSS feed ... there's no reason the group of thousands
> couldnt subscribe to it ... the usage would naturally move
On 5/10/06, Mike Moon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> So perhaps we need to pressure Yahoo into making the changes to their
> groups, ummm, our groups, so we can better access the information.
> I mean, it is in their best interest to be better then their competitors.
>
> Mike
> http://vlog.mikemoo
On Wed, 10 May 2006 11:47:47 +0200, Mike Moon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> If we decided today to go with option 3, in 1 year, or say 25 years,
> will it matter that we moved?
The problem is that there is no we, there are 2100 I's. :o)
> Is the format of these groups part of it's own failure?
So perhaps we need to pressure Yahoo into making the changes to their
groups, ummm, our groups, so we can better access the information.
I mean, it is in their best interest to be better then their competitors.
Mike
http://vlog.mikemoon.net
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "David Meade" <
Yes there is lots of great information that flows through this group.
The problem is the structure and limitation of the group make it near
impossible for those looking in the past for this great information to
find it.
If you don't keep up with the group, the good information will be
missed, lo
I believe he was querying "newsgroups"
Josh
On May 9, 2006, at 6:49 PM, Ted Tagami wrote:
> I ran a query for groups that contain "videoblog" and ended up with
> zero matches. What query do you use?
>
> On 5/9/06, Joshua Paul < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Okay, if you want to gain some *re
I ran a query for groups that contain "videoblog" and ended up with zero matches. What query do you use?On 5/9/06, Joshua Paul <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Okay, if you want to gain some *real* insight to this group, compare
it to others. Microsoft has done a lot of research in this area
(n
On 5/9/06, Michael Verdi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
Maybe I should make a tutorial on how to subscribe and read this list.1. Use something threaded like Gmail2. Set up a rule/filter so it doesn't all show up in your inbox3. Ignore threads you're not interested in
4. Flag the ones you're watchi
There is a piece of software for phpBB that allows a user to insert the posts from a Yahoo group, like this, into your phpBB DB. I was going to use it for k9discussion, but I was afraid that I would have problems with the list owners. The discdog world is quite...interesting... let's say. We are
On 5/9/06, Joshua Kinberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Make no mistake about it -- there is great information thatpasses through here, from new ideas and new trends, technicalinnovation, and best practices for media makers and videobloggersexploring new possibilities.
But, again thats not the is
Well I was going to reply to Markus, but David kinda beat me to the
punch..Just to clairfy, I was not suggesting that the group
has not grown with the membership, which is what I think you thought
I meant (man that just gave me a headache writing that)..
Anywho, sometimes I am wr
Okay, if you want to gain some *real* insight to this group, compare
it to others. Microsoft has done a lot of research in this area
(newsgroups), and the research is freely available. Check it out for
yourself, run the numbers, and draw your own conclusions:
http://netscan.research
I'm not giving up that easy, here my forum scope;
I think this Yahoo videoblogging discussion-group needs to stay, no
need for everyone to transfer to a forum. However to have access to
more static information like video-hosting, editing software,
aggregators, search engines and the like it wou
I've actually met several "lurkers" on this list in person (you might
be surprised who is lurking here). Often they are happy to sit back
and watch the conversation as it happens -- though there is certainly
a lot of conversation to take in on this list as it can be "high-flow"
at times. Make no
On Tue, 09 May 2006 23:55:25 +0200, David Meade <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> I give up. apparently somewhere between 12months as a member and
> 18months as a member you stop enjoying discussion of new ideas.
Life is too short for ad hominem arguments.
--
Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen
http:
Maybe this list is what it is and that's fine. There are other places and lists to handle other things.Ryanne and I have worked really hard to make Freevlog easy and cover most every newbie question. When we did our first big launch a year ago we had a message board but nobody used it (we got ab
I totally agree with your assessment of the functionality of Yahoo
Groups. I've been using it since before it was Yahoo groups and Yahoo
has done little to improve it. Most of the improvements to the system
have been cosmetic. I much prefer what Google has done with their groups.
I started a P
I'm not sure what we can do as a larger community, but as the only
developer of VlogMap, my mind is centric to the site...
I'm not trying to compete with other sites, but I do feel a
responsibility to those who visit VlogMap. Over the past year, I've
analyzed where visitors come from and what
I'm not convinced that there is a problem besides the near
impossibility of searching these Yahoo archives. I don't find the
existence of the ubiquitous power-law distribution of post activity to
be cause for alarm.
David Meade wrote:
I'm not making a suggestion for change ... I'm asking
ab
ok maybe I'm just in a bad mood and reading between the lines when I shouldn't be ... sorry.
However ... This topic has come up several times. And as Heath
points out, that wouldn't be the case if it were in fact the silliest
idea ever presented here ... clearly there are some pros to the idea
I'm not making a suggestion for change ... I'm asking about impact of it.On 5/9/06, Charles HOPE <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
David Meade wrote:
sigh
On 5/9/06, Andreas
Haugstrup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
If
people want to be heard they should post. There's no
need to ask
David Meade wrote:
sigh
On 5/9/06, Andreas
Haugstrup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
If
people want to be heard they should post. There's no
need to ask for permission, just post.
And yet this insight doesnt seem to do the trick. So ... we're
left with the question that all this
You should try a threaded mail reader such as Thunderbird. Then you can
ignore the subjects that look boring.
Dennis Poulette wrote:
I think the sheer number of
posts per day makes it hard to keep up with the group. In my
situation, I was just a subscriber and checked the group onl
sigh On 5/9/06, Andreas Haugstrup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
a) It's not "old standards" who form the majority of the top 50 over thepast month. [*][*] A quick skim tells me that only 6 of the people on the top 50 list for
last month have been members of the group for 18 months (nov. 2004).
Andreas Haugstrup wrote:
On Tue, 09 May 2006 18:52:34 +0200, Anne Walk
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
i have often thought that a forum would be better because things could be
listed by topic and it would be more searchable for people looking for
specific information. how many tim
i apologize to Heath if my use of the word 'silly' hurt his feelings.
if that came off as harsh, it was not intended (he is our Batman geek,
after all).
i meant it light-heartedly and it clearly did not come across that way
to you david.
silly is not a word i consider 'harsh', but i w
On Tue, 09 May 2006 23:14:40 +0200, David Meade <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Whats bothering me is is this needlessly harsh tone aimed at someone who
> was
> only pointing out that although this group has grown to over 2k people,
> its
> the 'old standards' that are in the top 50 users.
On 5/9/06, Markus Sandy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
and, yes suggesting that 'this group is not growing with the rest of
the group' was the silliest thing i had heard I'll avoid the temptation to start quoting obvious threads you've overlooked or blacked out of your memory. :-P
i ap
David Meade wrote:
It's not the silliest thing, and if you frequent this mailing list ...
it cant be the silliest thing you've read.
i have read every message in this list for over a year
so, i guess i do frequent it
i did actually take a moment and consider before sending if
Thanks David for bring this back on track and restating the original
question!
Side note to Markus... I did not just add that pin. Maybe you did not
see it earlier due to the clustering of markers. Anyways, I'm glad no
data was lost - make sure to claim that one. Thanks again for the
feedbac
On 5/9/06, Markus Sandy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
no offense , but this is the silliest thing i've read yetoh well gee how could anyone take offense to that.It's not the silliest thing, and if you frequent this mailing list ... it cant be the silliest thing you've read.
No offense, but just be
i was referring to the loss of the nodes on the map
originally there had been pin in ojai for the digital dojo
when i checked the other day, it was no longer there
i see that there is now a node101::ojai pin
thanks!
LeanBackVids.com wrote:
also, it seemed that the node10
As one of the chatty ones in the findings I'd like to add that not only is this group THE place to find help, hints, feedback or a good flaming...I find it to be THE only place to stay in touch my my videoblogging 'friends'
I am with Markus on this one.On 5/9/06, Markus Sandy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
g] Re: Bridging
The Gap
I don't think we need to mirgrate several thousand users--only the
top 20 or so posters, and the rest will follow--if they're even paying
attention. Just leave a sign on the front page and a few messages saying the
conversation has moved and those that want to
no offense , but this is the silliest thing i've read yet
this group grows, splits, morphs and changes so often it's ridiculous
i don't know about you, but i'm in at least a dozen groups related to
vlogging and each serves a different audience
this group may not be everything to everybody
i think you misunderstood matt
i don't have an issue with the stats.
there was a minor change in the display and sometimes that's all it
takes to break a habit
(it might have even been that a cookie got reset - doesn't matter - it
changed the user experience)
i know about the compar
"Thrown out into the chaos and not properly received."
Yep, that sums up the recent launch.
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Markus Sandy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Markus Sandy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> hmmm, you obviously left out the search words where it is in the
top 3
> or 4
>
> such as "videoblogging"
>
That is a word that is probably much lower than vlog(s) and video
I don't think we need to mirgrate several thousand users--only the
top 20 or so posters, and the rest will follow--if they're even
paying attention. Just leave a sign on the front page and a few
messages saying the conversation has moved and those that want to
come along will. The moderator
>>ok just a warning... let's not start
the "what shall we call it" conversation again... <<
ROFL.
If anybody has any interest, you must read http://www.geocities.com/bevsykes/Jan31.htm ,
which explains "juice and crackers," my philosophy of life, which I think is
very well demonstrated
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Andreas Haugstrup"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > i think that people don't want to try any other format because
they feel
> > a
> > sense of ownership with this group...particularly the active
posters. why
> > would you want to change something that
I personally don't view/send these messages through email, I view it
through my browser. So for me, this is like a message forum. It's not
nicely formatted like a message base, but I view it several times a
day, just like my other message bases.
My point is, that the yahoo group allows people
I had a hard time finding the maps at first...so many links so many features, i was overloaded i guessOn 5/9/06, Markus Sandy <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:hmmm, you obviously left out the search words where it is in the top 3
or 4such as "videoblogging"also, most of the top search results will l
hmmm, you obviously left out the search words where it is in the top 3
or 4
such as "videoblogging"
also, most of the top search results will lead you here very quickly
because of link love
one obvious exception: the new vlogmap seems to have far less links to
the "external" community on
On Tue, 09 May 2006 18:52:34 +0200, Anne Walk
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> i have often thought that a forum would be better because things could be
> listed by topic and it would be more searchable for people looking for
> specific information. how many times have we had people come in here
i read this list (and sometimes participate) because it comes to my mailbox.i have often thought that a forum would be better because things could be listed by topic and it would be more searchable for people looking for specific information. how many times have we had people come in here and as
I didn't even know what that was... adding a book, had no idea what that meant...plus I think peolpe see vlogmap as the mapping site that is it... adding tutorials, forums, etc seems out of the realm of vlog MAP... that is just my first perception... the launch was not as clear...didn't realize
Exactly Bill
I have it ready to go. Need to do a few tweaks to get it show up in
the menu but that's it. There are a few diferent plugins I have
choosen the one you can build the RSS feed yourself meaning choose
your own topics and timeline.
It is already build into the forum but is not activa
Because I think the "general discussion" of the Yahoo Group is too
much and the group is not very inviting new members or non-vloggers.
It is my opinion that forums should be broken down into sub-topics so
that users can pay attention to the things they are interested in (or
understand).
As fo
this is exactly what will not make something take off the "go ahead do your own thing" does not work when it is in reference to a community resource, there has to be mass adoption
On 5/9/06, Peter Van Dijck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
2) If anyone wants to start a forum, great! The more the bette
On Tue, 09 May 2006 18:32:35 +0200, LeanBackVids.com
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> There are many topics here that would benefit people outside the
> group, but it does not have enough exposure. Search 'vlog', 'vlogs',
> 'video blog' or 'video blogs' and the Yahoo Group does not come up.
>
>
My point is that the Yahoo Group is small, hidden and not gear for
non-vloggers.
There are many topics here that would benefit people outside the
group, but it does not have enough exposure. Search 'vlog', 'vlogs',
'video blog' or 'video blogs' and the Yahoo Group does not come up.
VlogMap
Yeah it also creates a feed for the most recent posts in and across all public forums/topics ... the 'uber-feed'.On 5/9/06, Bill Streeter <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:There is a RSS plugin for PHPbb that does this. Creates an RSS feed
for every forum and every topic. I saw it in the mods database
It seems to me that:
1) Those numbers are great! No bad news there.2) If anyone wants to start a forum, great! The more the better. Maybe it'll take off..
3) It's all good news.
Perhaps I'm just an optimist.
>From the analysis there was some concern about reaching beginning/shy
vloggers. That
There is a RSS plugin for PHPbb that does this. Creates an RSS feed
for every forum and every topic. I saw it in the mods database at
the PHPbb.com.
Bill Streeter
LO-FI SAINT LOUIS
www.lofistl.com
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Andy Carvin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> as long as
as long as there was rss for each sub-community, as well as an
uber-rss for the whole shebang, i'd be okay with it. As it is, I don't
receive list messages via email - I stick with rss to keep my inbox
nice and clean. -ac
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "David Meade" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
w
On 5/9/06, Josh Leo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
ok just a warning... let's not start the "what shall we call it" conversation again... if we as a community want to use a forum instead of the list, a lot of changes need to happen and a lot of habits need to change... how would we make a group o
It's the classic 80/20 rule, some may come to the site to join just
to plug something and then you never hear from them again, some are
daunted by the tech know how, some may just enjoy the ranting of a
bunch of "slightly off" persons. :) But I know I would like a
more type of forum th
as they say: "no good deed goes unpunished"
;)
LeanBackVids.com wrote:
Plug? HAHAHA! I try to do good an get accused of bad - thanks.
-Matt
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Josh Leo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
but perhaps this is all a brilliant ploy to plug the new
I'm just messin with ya Matt...I plan on geovlogging a lot more of my videos...does vlogmap get found a lot by the people searching for things like "nude vlog" 'Naked cat videos" etc cause I know that I get a lot of that kind of traffic... in addition to all the people searching for how to p
Sad thing is that I don't think it is a matter of a space being created as much as it is the group movement to use that space... A good forum on freevlog.org,
node101.org, videoblogging.info with the support of everyone...I hate to say it, but if we were to decide to abandon yahoo, we would nee
Awesome, Blips. I've been there a few times but didnt see an RSS button. Is there a public feed?I guess from "David's Perfect World", the feed would be public - anyone could view the topics, but they'd have to be members to post/reply (just like the yahoo group)
- DaveOn 5/9/06, usadutch2001 <
Plug? HAHAHA! I try to do good an get accused of bad - thanks.
Considering most vloggers haven't even attempted to claim their vlog
listing on the new VlogMap, I'm not really concerned about plugging
the forums.
I'll admit, I thought adding forums to VlogMap would be an added
service. The go
ok just a warning... let's not start the "what shall we call it" conversation again... if we as a community want to use a forum instead of the list, a lot of changes need to happen and a lot of habits need to change... how would we make a group of thousands switch?
On 5/9/06, usadutch2001 <[EMAI
David;
Exactly what is going on at VlogAssist.com it is so close to your list
and YES is has RSS for members to subscribe to every topic or to
choosen topics.
Maybe a little tweak to the topics and its a done deal.
Blips
http://vlogassist.com Vlogging resources
http:/vlogmatic.com
--- In vid
I was a lurker a long time because the technical level was byond my
comfort. I bet there are a lot of lurkers just enjoying every
conversation.
I think this groups must stay the way it is, a discussion group.
And to answers Josh question, I did try to plug a forum with RSS feed,
email-messagi
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "LeanBackVids.com"
Hi Matt,
Seven percent is actually pretty good for an email list of more than
1,000 people. A few years ago I saw a study of email lists that
suggested the number of regular contributors was often less than five
percent. Most lists te
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