Michel Jullian wrote:
Not much action. I guess they were put online to reassure the general
public after all that doomsday nonsense.
How long did you watch for?
Michel
2008/9/22 Stephen A. Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
LHC Compact Muon Solenoid Experiment Webcams:
Not for hours admittedly, maybe others will be luckier.
2008/9/22 Stephen A. Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Michel Jullian wrote:
Not much action. I guess they were put online to reassure the general
public after all that doomsday nonsense.
How long did you watch for?
Michel
2008/9/22
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- Original Message -
From: William Beaty [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 1:25 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Feynman
On Sun, 21 Sep 2008, Mike Carrell wrote:
Feyman didn't reall crack safes. At Los Alamos, file cabinets were
For a long time, going back to Claytor and the production of tritium in the
early nineties, some observers have been suggesting that there appear to be
several distinct pathways for LENR -- especially since similar but slightly
different experiments were showing helium with no tritum.
At
I'm thinking of setting up a little library with easy books about Feynman so
people can come to the shrine and purify their DNA.
-Original Message-
From: Mike Carrell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 22 September 2008 14:13
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Feynman
Remi Cornwall wrote:
Let's have a game of listing people:
My personal favorite genius:
Isaac Newton -- Total nutjob. Suffered from severe obsessive compulsive
disorder, which made a mess of his life -- he rarely went out, and was
understandably not comfortable around other people due to
Yes the pressure of society to make people conform is a form of fascism.
I advise techie youngster types to be very careful in their social dabbling
because with silly laws it's now very easy for a young man to get accused of
harassment (just for say, going to a canteen for lunch and *being
Interesting... maybe what is needed by today's researchers is a pill
_triggering_ obsessive compulsive disorder ;-)
Michel
2008/9/22 Stephen A. Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Remi Cornwall wrote:
Let's have a game of listing people:
My personal favorite genius:
Isaac Newton -- Total
Plato's republic had it - kill all the artists. i.e. if you feel threatened
by dangerous thoughts, kill all the thinkers.
The road to hell is paved with good intentions. Remember that those on the
left.
Oh yeah, George Michael, forgot him, 'fine example':
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7627636.stm
-Original Message-
From: Remi Cornwall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 22 September 2008 15:06
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Hidden Societal Megatrend?
Yes the
Yes, yes, yes,
Talent in the future will be seen as a disease. Something to have meds
prescribed for and controlled. Dangerous enemies of the state who need to be
watched 24-7. Dissidents.
You have dangerous thoughts comrade, why you always wanna go against what
big brother say?
-Original
The road to hell is paved with good intentions. Remember that those
on the left.
Of course those on the right aren't concerned, they don't have enough
material to pave a road with ;)
Yeah, who's 'right'?
-Original Message-
From: Michel Jullian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 22 September 2008 15:29
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Hidden Societal Megatrend?
The road to hell is paved with good intentions. Remember that those
on the left.
Of course those on
Where does the road paved with bad intentions go ?
Iraq?
Jones
BTW -does anyone else suspect that a few weekend postings somehow do not end up
in the archives?
... or is there a normal delay on Monday?
Dunno ask the captain on that one. He sailed the ship and we trusted him.
But I don't want the 'rats' to take over the sinking ship.
-Original Message-
From: Jones Beene [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 22 September 2008 15:40
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Hidden Societal
Men of the future? Balls. It seems like most men of today under 40 in the
US. That's why movies like '300' resonate with men so much. We pine for
the days when men were allowed to be men, expected to be men, and were
admired when they were. We can feel in our bones that we are not being
Yeah John, f.ck yeah!
I know people who are gay, black, white, muslim, jew, disabled, old. I'm no
bigot. I help the weak and go out of my way to be a gentle-man.
I know what works and why - I know a woman can't do a fireman's carry of
someone over 15 stone for 200 yrds, I know that that's why
Perhaps you should know less. I recommend a 30 day retreat in a
Buddhist monastery.
Terry
Saved by Zero
On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 12:18 PM, Remi Cornwall
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yeah John, f.ck yeah!
I know people who are gay, black, white, muslim, jew, disabled, old. I'm no
bigot. I help
Why, wanna shut me away for speaking my mind??
-Original Message-
From: Terry Blanton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 22 September 2008 17:51
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Hidden Societal Megatrend?
Perhaps you should know less. I recommend a 30 day retreat in a
Buddhist
Whoa, creepy. Would that be the Soviet re-education labour torture camp of
love for selfish thinker to love fellow socialist comrades.
Stalin: I wish the people had one big neck so I could strangle them more
easily.
Labour union delegate today: Tax the super-rich out of existence.
Waaay too
I'll take market instability and un-equal wealth distribution any day over
these guys...
-Original Message-
From: Terry Blanton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 22 September 2008 17:51
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Hidden Societal Megatrend?
Perhaps you should know less. I
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7629081.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7627797.stm
Thy're bck
Do do do doo. Do do do doo. (twilight zone music)
-Original Message-
From: Terry Blanton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 22 September 2008 17:51
To:
Run as fast as you want...but drive within the speed limit.
harry
- Original Message -
From: Remi Cornwall [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Monday, September 22, 2008 12:18 pm
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Hidden Societal Megatrend?
Yeah John, f.ck yeah!
I know people who are gay, black, white, muslim,
From: Terry Blanton
Perhaps you should know less. I recommend a 30 day retreat in a
Buddhist monastery.
Terry
From Remi Cornwall
Why, wanna shut me away for speaking my mind??
Mr. Cornwall,
FWIW,
Ah, the right to speak one's mind. Well
You seem to know a lot of things. At least
I normally pay little attention to magazine articles with titles like
this, but this one appears to be authoritative. See:
http://money.cnn.com/2008/09/15/news/economy/500dollaroil_okeefe.fortune/
Other oil experts make similar predictions but nowhere near as dire
in the short term.
- Jed
Western philosophy is more successful than eastern. Try reading Joseph
Needham and see what went wrong in China.
Science is objective, people really *do know* *facts*.
I feel no regret for what I have said because it is *fact*.
I feel the need to take on what I perceive as destroying society
His prediction would be correct if nothing else happened. Now we have
two additional variables in play. The first is a world-wide
depression. This will reduce energy demand and reduce use of oil - for
a while. By the time this is over, new sources and effective
conservation methods will
The obese problem will go away? No. A good portion of the obesity
problem in the us is becuase cheap food is unhealthy food. Its not
just overeating, its that some people can only afford crap to eat.
On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 11:41 AM, Edmund Storms [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
His prediction
Edmund Storms wrote:
His prediction would be correct if nothing else happened. Now we have
two additional variables in play. The first is a world-wide
depression. This will reduce energy demand and reduce use of oil - for
a while. By the time this is over, new sources and effective
conservation
So more regulation, right? A paternalistic state must step in here? I dunno.
(Oh, I'm not dossing I'm doing a grant/bid so by the computer a lot. Didn't
think I'd start a hissy fit of some members by merely thinking.)
-Original Message-
From: leaking pen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent:
On Sep 22, 2008, at 12:47 PM, leaking pen wrote:
The obese problem will go away? No. A good portion of the obesity
problem in the us is becuase cheap food is unhealthy food. Its not
just overeating, its that some people can only afford crap to eat.
True, but a person will lose weight by
leaking pen wrote:
The obese problem will go away? No. A good portion of the obesity
problem in the us is becuase cheap food is unhealthy food. Its not
just overeating, its that some people can only afford crap to eat.
And here is an irony, indeed an incomprehensible situation --
Yeah but the taste of a nice steak... I don't care for being a vegan.
-Original Message-
From: Stephen A. Lawrence [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 22 September 2008 20:21
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Here comes $500 oil
leaking pen wrote:
The obese problem will go away?
Remi Cornwall wrote:
So more regulation, right? A paternalistic state must step in here? I dunno.
No, that will not be necessary. The problem can be fixed with several
steps, mainly by reducing regulations and reducing government
spending. Fewer but better regulations are called for.
Remi Cornwall wrote:
Yeah but the taste of a nice steak... I don't care for being a vegan.
Progress in cultured meat will solve that problem. It will reduce
energy inputs to food production by a HUGE amount. The energy savings
are on the same scale as that which we can achieve with hybrid
You see that's what I love about science, the dreaming and then going in the
lab to try it all out. Aaaah
-Original Message-
From: Jed Rothwell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 22 September 2008 20:55
To: vortex-L@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Here comes $500 oil
Hydrogen powered
Remi Cornwall wrote:
Yeah but the taste of a nice steak... I don't care for being a vegan.
Rock solid reasoning. Dogs reason the same way when someone offers them
chocolate. Crack heads reason the same way, too. Very deep thinking.
How's your blood pressure, Remi? I just checked mine;
The issue in large part is just that, processing. Most people at or
under the poverty line here in Phoenix live in a place that has a
refrigerator, and MAYBE a stove top, no oven. A mircowave, as those
are pretty cheap, and quick. Food processor, blender? Things like
that to prepare food are
Why should I care about how people eat? I'm not losing any sleep over how
the poor budget. Between the choice of giving a good meal for a day to 1
million poor or buying a $million dollar strad for a young violin virtuoso I
would do the latter.
Hand wringing over the poor won't get you to heaven
Going veggie shrinks the brain:
http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,24336544-5003426,00.html
It explains a lot. 8^)
--
From: Stephen A. Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 3:57 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Well if you socialist types genuinely feel so much for the poor, sell the
shirt off your back, admit the LHC's crap, stab a modern artist hack, take
all the subsidy back.
Oh but n, there will always be poor and striving after an unobtainable
goal makes people feel guilty for what? To make
Another well written entertaining book that address the food question food is:
The Omnivore's Dilemma by Michael Pollan in which he traces the origin of the foods used in 4
meals; fast food, big organic, grass fed, hunter gatherer.
Ron
--On Monday, September 22, 2008 3:32 PM -0400 Jed
John Steck wrote:
Going veggie shrinks the brain:
http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,24336544-5003426,00.html
The article raises a serious issue, which is that vegans should take
B-12 supplements. If you read the article, they were apparently blaming
lack of B-12 for the
Becuase again, the poor have land to grow their own vegetables, money
to buy seeds equipment and fertilizer, or TIME to do more excercising,
or buy fish (more expensive by the pound than any other protein.
Really, are you just trolling, or are you really that arrogant,
pretentious, and ignorant?
*(*^(%!!! Vegan cats!!
Like the poor moggy had any choice in the matter.
I can just imagine some deranged cat owner saying Cats are sinful
creatures, pussy must learn to be a good pussy cat. Tofu for tiddles.
-Original Message-
From: Stephen A. Lawrence [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent:
Ohh, god, I had a friend who did that. I spent thirty minutes
lambasting her for her total and complete hypocrisy.
On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 3:49 PM, Remi Cornwall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
*(*^(%!!! Vegan cats!!
Like the poor moggy had any choice in the matter.
I can just imagine some
No completely shallow. I'll catch some more of the soft porn late night tits
on TV and then turn in.
Can't be bothered to argue this one out.
BORE!
-Original Message-
From: leaking pen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 22 September 2008 23:48
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re:
leaking pen wrote:
Ohh, god, I had a friend who did that. I spent thirty minutes
lambasting her for her total and complete hypocrisy.
Huh? Hypocrisy in what? Buying vegan food for her cat? How does that
make her a hypocrite?
Commercial vegan cat foods, of which there are several, contain
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
leaking pen wrote:
Ohh, god, I had a friend who did that. I spent thirty minutes
lambasting her for her total and complete hypocrisy.
Huh? Hypocrisy in what? Buying vegan food for her cat? How does that
make her a hypocrite?
Let's put this on a firm
Since her main arguement for having gone vegetarian in the first place
was a belief that humans are meant to be herbivourous, and that eating
meat goes against nature.
On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 4:15 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
leaking pen wrote:
Ohh, god, I had a friend who
leaking pen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Since her main arguement for having gone vegetarian in the first place
was a belief that humans are meant to be herbivourous, and that eating
meat goes against nature.
Ah. You are saying it is hypocritical to apply that argument to cats,
because they are
hypocritical also means applying opposite standards to oneself. She
feels humans are natural herbivores, but theres no doubt that cats are
primarily carnivores. Therefore, making a cat an herbivore is, by her
own logic, unnatural.
I haven't seen anything saying cats are fed mainly rice. I see
This is threaded into the wrong place in the discussion because my POP3
email server is currently down (but I've still got SMTP). I'm such an
addict I went to the archives to see what was being said...
Pen said:
Since her main argument for having gone vegetarian in the first place
was a
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