So, you admit to having NOT read CE web site and a more thorough explanation
of his theory. So, you do not really understand what his theory is;
YET, you mouth off as if you're the expert. Your verbal diarrhea is full of
irrelevancy and useless comments that make you feel you know it know.
S
Never mind, took out a '/' and got the link put back together...
-mi
-Original Message-
From: Alan Fletcher [mailto:a...@well.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 8:25 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Brillouin ICCF17 Presentation
> From: "Terry Blanton" Jed just informed me
I heard about the Chinese bailout of A123 from a business man I know.
On another note,
I stopped by his office late morning to chat, and I brought my watts-up
energy meter to verify a new type of light that he showed me last time I
visited him. It is some kind of semiconductor-based 'chip',
Alan,
The link got mangled and I couldn't get it to work... try tinyurl?
-Mark
-Original Message-
From: Alan Fletcher [mailto:a...@well.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 8:25 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Brillouin ICCF17 Presentation
> From: "Terry Blanton" Jed just i
I am putting two and two together here. The Papp engine ash was a brown
powder. J Ronner talks about a two helium atom fusion process. This type
fusion does not produce energy in fusing to boron8 atoms. But all boron
isotopes under B11 will decay by fission. There are two conceivable ways in
which
> From: "Terry Blanton"
> Jed just informed me that it's okay to open this one:
>
> https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1SOA7Z4aIGnT_HrshnzNF6vTsgj4PULTBceDyUINIZG8/edit
They quietly endorse Widom-Larsen :
A Hamiltonian with ≥ 782keV can cause a proton to capture an electron to yield
an
The mod software on the site doesn't appear to be quite that simple minded.
Dunno. Sorry for the noise.
Jeff
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 8:04 PM, Jeff Berkowitz wrote:
> I just attempted to post a comment to a well-known "cold fusion" web site
> that appears, on the surface, to be doing independent
I just attempted to post a comment to a well-known "cold fusion" web site
that appears, on the surface, to be doing independent reporting. In the
comment, I mentioned a competitor of A. Rossi (the competitor I mentioned:
Brillouin).
The comment was subject to "automatic moderation".
Curious, I th
Source for your info on boron? If adjusted out somehow, what is the
ash now? Does it vary with settings? Do we know? How?
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 16, 2012, at 9:53 PM, Axil Axil wrote:
The Papp engine produced boron as ash, but it was grossly
inefficient. J Rohner improved the timing to
One of their documents said one was for containment and the other for
compression (around the spark plugs)
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 10:06 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
wrote:
> At 12:43 PM 8/16/2012, James Bowery wrote:
>
>> Critically, during the compression stroke the noble gasses are not in a
>> cond
I wish I were as sure of my theory as you guys sound.
http://arxiv.org/pdf/1201.3208v2.pdf
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 9:48 PM, Axil Axil wrote:
> Like most predictions of string theory; super-symmetric particles, micro
> black holes, no one (AKA CERN) has detected them yet at any energy. CERN is
The Papp engine produced boron as ash, but it was grossly inefficient. J
Rohner improved the timing to eliminate the atomic pollution through
nuclear recombination.
Cheers: Axil
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 10:47 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
wrote:
> At 05:04 PM 8/15/2012, Axil Axil wrote:
>
> The re
Like most predictions of string theory; super-symmetric particles, micro
black holes, no one (AKA CERN) has detected them yet at any energy. CERN is
way beyond any energy the cold fusion can reach or hot fusion for that
matter. The prospects are grim. The string people are disappointed.
Stringolog
At 05:04 PM 8/15/2012, Axil Axil wrote:
The refuel process adds noble gas instead of replacing it. This
on-the-fly refuel means that there is no buildup of reaction ash as
is normal in all other LENR devices.
If this thing works, it doesn't sound at all like LENR. I don't see
any basis for "
The thing is Dave, whatever you want to call it, the vacuum/ZPF/quantum
foam/Dirac Sea exists… when, how and why it might interact with matter and
cause an *apparent* violation of COE is anyone’s guess at this time… I know
Fran says it is constantly interacting, and Puthoff has published that it
JR uses on the plug 110KV on the plug ignition cables.
Cheers:Axil
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 10:06 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
wrote:
> At 12:43 PM 8/16/2012, James Bowery wrote:
>
>> Critically, during the compression stroke the noble gasses are not in a
>> conductive state. The helium atoms are
I think the outer coils around the cylinder were to keep the ions contained in
some fashion. There was mention of extracting some of the induced energy of
the coils to be returned to the spark system, but not as the main gap spark
initiator.
Dave
-Original Message-
From: Abd ul-Rahm
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Plasma_Energy_Controls_Plasma_Expansion_Motor
This link shows the Papp engine under a dyno test showing just over 450 HP.
They would need to run some heavy cable to power that engine with an
electric motor to product that type of power.
There is mention of a
At 10:37 AM 8/16/2012, MarkI-ZeroPoint wrote:
RE: ChemEng's hypothesis,
Abd,
at least he backs up his hypothesis with a list of references... all *191*
of them! So he is probably MORE current on the scientific underpinnings of
his hypothesis than you, so I'd suggest you visit his website and r
“I am open to most ideas and inclined to speculate about how some work even if
they seem "out of this world". I rely on the COE as a guide. If it appears to
be violated I get nervous.”
Excellent! Nervous is a *reasonable* reaction to have… just don’t let that
nervousness prevent you from
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 8:56 PM, MarkI-ZeroPoint wrote:
> RE: COE…
>
>
>
> Start here:
>
> http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg57015.html
>
>
>
> COE begins with the phrase, "IN A CLOSED SYSTEM, ..."
>
> For sci-drones this phrase didn’t seem to stick! All they remember is the
> ot
That is a good thought to keep in mind. We need to ensure that our chosen
system is adequate to handle the problem at hand.
Dave
-Original Message-
From: MarkI-ZeroPoint
To: vortex-l
Sent: Thu, Aug 16, 2012 8:56 pm
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Inspiration
RE: COE…
Start here:
http://www.m
Converting Atomic Energy Into Utilizable Kinetic Energy". Papp used radium,
notably.
The Radioactive element used in the Papp type engine is thorium an alpha
emitter, not radium. The purpose for the use of this radioactive element in
the Papp engine is to ionize the nobel gas to set it up to condu
At 12:43 PM 8/16/2012, James Bowery wrote:
Critically, during the compression stroke the noble gasses are not
in a conductive state. The helium atoms are likely very thoroughly
mixed, although I'm open to arguments to the contrary.
Moreover, when I talked to Bob, he said that the current thro
OK Clark Kent. I am unafraid of controversy to a great extent. Personal
attacks are off limits as far as I am concerned because they seldom settle
issues and tend to shut down conversation. Feel free to question any
assertions that I make and I will return the pleasure! One thing this guy i
At 12:42 PM 8/16/2012, Chemical Engineer wrote:
Mark,
Yes I would like to post it on arxiv, I need a sponsor in the
physics area. Do you know of any? I am cleaning up the document
some and want to make sure i get all of the references, etc.
I do not fault Abd. He has years of frustration
At 12:38 PM 8/16/2012, Jones Beene wrote:
Eric,
I hope that you would not call that video a ringing endorsement. How many
"ifs" does one need to overlook before a polite comment becomes a bona fide
endorsement? There is a large gap between "taking an interest" in a
technology and investing your
RE: COE.
Start here:
http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg57015.html
COE begins with the phrase, "IN A CLOSED SYSTEM, ..."
For sci-drones this phrase didn't seem to stick! All they remember is the
other half of the law.
The second half of the law cannot be applied defens
"The flame that burns twice as bright burns half as long."
Harry
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 8:18 PM, Jones Beene wrote:
>
> David,
>
> I must be in the minority here with my expectation that COE
> must be at least nearly correct. Perhaps that is my hang up!
>
> Wait
The first problem to be overcome is to make a working prototype to demonstrate
to others. Do you believe that the NASA guys are so closed minded that they
would not even take a look at an operating device? That would be very sad.
I am open to most ideas and inclined to speculate about how som
At 11:49 AM 8/16/2012, Ron Wormus wrote:
One would assume that the manufacturers of these engines have done
enough due diligence to know that it works before entering into a
license agreement.
What manufacturers?
Assume nothing about due diligence on the part of others. Often it is
missing.
I’m just the reporter!
We report… you decide.
OK, I confess… there might be some interesting, and sometimes heated,
discussions in between the report/decide thingy… Vorts are a rambunctious lot,
and after having a few at the Dime Box Saloon, brawls are not uncommon... but
mostly friendly.
David,
I must be in the minority here with my expectation that COE
must be at least nearly correct. Perhaps that is my hang up!
Wait! - this does not need to be related to CoE at all. If you can accept
that radioactive half-life can be changed by many orders of
On Aug 16, 2012, at 15:03, "Jones Beene" wrote:
> Instead, I have disparaged the sloppy interpretation of what he said by
> others, including yourself.
I am open to the possibility that I have misrepresented his position. Perhaps
all he intended was to encourage Bob Rohner, and he did not int
"If devices of this nature are real then why in the world would NASA not be
using the principle to power their spacecraft?"
Because they immediately dismiss the possibility before testing it. that's
what sci-drones do. They use theory, and the long line of actual
scammers and fraudsters to
Whatcha wanna bet that PDGTG used Iridium tipped spark plugs, eh?
T
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 7:32 PM, MarkI-ZeroPoint wrote:
> At first it was done in USENET,
And before that, there were bulletin boards via dial up modems.
Geeze, I'm getting old.
Dave, it started with reading a book called Incident at Exeter back in
the sixties:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exe
I must be in the minority here with my expectation that COE must be at least
nearly correct. Perhaps that is my hang up!
If devices of this nature are real then why in the world would NASA not be
using the principle to power their space craft? I refer to the ones that are
drifting in space,
Dave:
You're beginning to get a hint of the expansiveness of the Collective's
awareness.
There are a number of rogue thinkers that linger in obscurity and eventually
die, but whose technology has some significant eye-witness reports. But for
every one of them, there are tens of copy-cats who
It is totally free and fried! I read the document and see many holes in the
argument.
Once when I was more naive I thought about the magnetic field surrounding a
wire broken by a capacitor coupling device. As I visualized the magnetic field
due to the current, I began to think that there mus
This brings up an interesting side issue.
All of these devices: Brown, Hubbard, Papp, etc seemed to squeeze more
energy out of small amounts of radium (or other emitter) than should be
there. Finding out why could be an interesting pursuit.
If we wanted to invoke more anecdote in a similar vein,
Terry, where do you find these gems? I bet that no one has delivered a working
model to be reproduced. How did a patent get issued for something like this?
If this device works, the definition of the energy of an emitted alpha particle
would need to be redefined.
Dave
-Original Message
At 11:36 AM 8/16/2012, Eric Walker wrote:
On Aug 16, 2012, at 10:38, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote:
> Yet we cannot rely upon this reality until there is substantially
more available. McKubre would be, with his comment, encouraging Bob
Rohner to continue his work.
Agreed. You make many valid p
As Morpheus said…
Free….
Your….
Mind!
From: David Roberson [mailto:dlrober...@aol.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 10:14 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Can Fields Induce Other Fields in Vacuum?
Come on Mark, now you want to real
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 4:15 PM, Jones Beene wrote:
> There is no doubt it worked, and little doubt that the reason it worked had
> a lot to do with radium... same as the Papp engine.
Eric might like to examine the Paul Brown Battery also:
http://www.rexresearch.com/nucell/nucell.htm
T
20120816 22:15
Abd Ul,
appreciate Your elegant, determined response.
Re CE it is my -and others- impression, that with LENR we have an overabundace
of theories, to explain the somewhat scant evidences.
Now the problem is, that the solutions do not match the evidences available.
Both parties
This is a misrepresentation, Eric.
I have not disparaged McKubre's connection to Papp in any way - but merely
provided a framework to better understand the recent history of this device
and his past involvement with some of the other players, which he would
never deny.
Instead, I have disparaged
On Aug 16, 2012, at 14:15, "Jones Beene" wrote:
>
> to be frank - this whole episode is really becoming a joke and a
> distraction to new technology that does work.
To be frank, I think you've gotten yourself in the difficult position of
disparaging McKubre's connection to all of this. His r
From: Axil Axil
* First, since Papp technology is open source, and intellectual
property is not an issue, the lawyers are not going to get very far.
What makes you think it is open source? In fact, this appears not to be the
case. There are several patents in effect, even if Papp's origina
In the noble gas cluster formation process, any combination of noble gas
elements is possible. Helium could well be affixed inside various noble gas
clusters types. In my opinion understanding noble gas cluster formation is
key to understanding the Papp reaction.
Cheers:Axil
On Thu, Aug 16,
Always slept well at night
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 3:02 PM, Harry Veeder wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 2:02 PM, Chemical Engineer
> wrote:
> > OK, you are right, it did wake me up at night.
>
> Did you start having these dreams before or after you first read about
> quantum singularities?
>
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 2:02 PM, Chemical Engineer wrote:
> OK, you are right, it did wake me up at night.
Did you start having these dreams before or after you first read about
quantum singularities?
harry
> On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 2:00 PM, Harry Veeder wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 1:
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 12:57 PM, Axil Axil wrote:
> In the John Rohner cycle, he first excites the noble gases with a radio
> frequency generator before the piston starts to move into compression.
> Xenon is easy to excite because it binding energy is low: many orders of
> magnitude lower than H
On Aug 16, 2012, at 11:38, "Jones Beene" wrote:
> For you own edification, you
> should ask McKubre if he is still has a financial interest and is on the
> Board of one of them - if you want to claim his comments constitute and
> independent endorsement of the technology.
I don't want to claim t
At 02:06 AM 8/16/2012, Jojo Jaro wrote:
I had unsubscribed and never intending to repost here again but I
just can't stand the pretentious verbal diarrhea of this
self-appointed so called LENR Expert.
Sorry, honey, I'm late for dinner, but Someone is Wrong on the Internet.
I tend to write in
Hello Chemical Eng,
Ive a little question about your theory: Does your theory explain how NAE
spreads over the lattice once the reaction is triggered? It could be also a
misunderstanding of experimental results.
Another question arises when Im writing this: Does your theory explain the
te
First, since Papp technology is open source, and intellectual property is
not an issue, the lawyers are not going to get very far.
Next IMHO, Bob Rohner is not capable of getting the Papp engine to
commercialization.
Next, the Papp engine should be rightly feared by LENR advocates because it
wil
Quick look through. A variety of materials tried with hydrogen and
deuterium. Best results 1-2W per gram of Ni35-Cu8-Zr57 and Hydrogen, at
573K (300°C) running for weeks quite happily. They found adding Cu to NiZr
made it work much better. They are getting far better results than they
get with
OK, you are right, it did wake me up at night.
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 2:00 PM, Harry Veeder wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 1:38 PM, Chemical Engineer
> wrote:
> > No, I am not making it up and it was not a dream
>
> Physics is ultimately a work of the imagination. Over time some of
> those i
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 1:38 PM, Chemical Engineer wrote:
> No, I am not making it up and it was not a dream
Physics is ultimately a work of the imagination. Over time some of
those imaginings are retained and studied while others are
dismissed or forgotten for lack of evidence and other times fo
*Critically, during the compression stroke the noble gasses are not in a
conductive state. The helium atoms are likely very thoroughly mixed,
although I'm open to arguments to the contrary.*
In the John Rohner cycle, he first excites the noble gases with a radio
frequency generator before the p
Mark, I have to very very very very very strongly disagree with this
"crazy" statement. This is ridiculous.
He does NOT "look like" an arrogant know-it-all.
HE IS AN ARROGANT KNOW-IT-ALL.
Looks like I wasn't the only one, his last post did not rub correctly.
Jojo
PS. Does anyone know wha
Hello group,
These NIWeek2012 slides (26 pages) about recent progresses at
Kobe-Technova got just posted on the National Instruments website. I
don't think their content should be much different than what is supposed
to be presented during ICCF-17, but it's interesting to see that - as by
NI
Critically, during the compression stroke the noble gasses are not in a
conductive state. The helium atoms are likely very thoroughly mixed,
although I'm open to arguments to the contrary.
Moreover, when I talked to Bob, he said that the current through the coils
was very low. I don't recall wha
Mark,
Yes I would like to post it on arxiv, I need a sponsor in the physics area.
Do you know of any? I am cleaning up the document some and want to make
sure i get all of the references, etc.
I do not fault Abd. He has years of frustration built up
Eric,
I hope that you would not call that video a ringing endorsement. How many
"ifs" does one need to overlook before a polite comment becomes a bona fide
endorsement? There is a large gap between "taking an interest" in a
technology and investing your life's savings in it - or even in promoting
Got to admit I am somewhat guilty of same - although I thought chem - eng on
the right track I didn't read too far past gremlins and the such - will have to
investigate his references but suspect he is closer to ZPE than he realizes
where his black holes are actually closer to white and it is th
Come on Mark, now you want to really mess up our minds!
Dave
-Original Message-
From: Mark Iverson
To: vortex-l
Sent: Thu, Aug 16, 2012 12:19 pm
Subject: [Vo]:Can Fields Induce Other Fields in Vacuum?
FYI: this forwarded to me by a colleague…
-Mark
Trouble with Maxwell’s Electr
Magnetic forces work on conductive media. The majority of the time the
noble gasses are not in a conductive state.
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 6:45 PM, Axil Axil wrote:
> *The majority of the time there is no magnetic confinement*
>
>
>
> I was under the impression that the coils were active all th
One would assume that the manufacturers of these engines have done enough
due diligence to know that it works before entering into a license
agreement.
Ron
--On Thursday, August 16, 2012 10:36 AM -0600 Eric Walker
wrote:
On Aug 16, 2012, at 10:38, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
wrote:
Yet we canno
On Aug 16, 2012, at 10:38, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote:
> Yet we cannot rely upon this reality until there is substantially more
> available. McKubre would be, with his comment, encouraging Bob Rohner to
> continue his work.
Agreed. You make many valid points, especially concerning speculation
There are legal entanglements with black hole production:
http://www.technologyreview.com/view/417008/the-case-of-the-collider-and-the-great-black-hole/
"The experts are either afraid for their livelihoods or afraid for their
lives," writes Johnson.
One way round this is to carry out a cost-
FYI: this forwarded to me by a colleague.
-Mark
Trouble with Maxwell's Electromagnetic Theory:
Can Fields Induce Other Fields in Vacuum?
http://vixra.org/pdf/1206.0083v5.pdf
Abstract
The purpose of this article is to point out that Maxwell's electromagnetic
theory,
believed by the ma
Yes, Peter, that would be the next step. Give him some time! He's just now
taken time to write his thoughts up in a well-referenced manner so others
can begin to review it. I hope he does indeed follow-up with a paper which
explores experimental ramifications and how his hypothesis might be teste
A nice theory actually, however how will we apply Galileo's Principles
(the Scientific Method) to it?
Suppose it is 100% true, what does this mean for the experimenters and for
those who want to invest in LENR energy?
I don't want a fast answer...
Peter
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 6:37 PM, MarkI-Zero
RE: ChemEng's hypothesis,
Abd,
at least he backs up his hypothesis with a list of references... all *191*
of them! So he is probably MORE current on the scientific underpinnings of
his hypothesis than you, so I'd suggest you visit his website and read his
well-referenced explanation BEFORE comm
At 12:36 AM 8/16/2012, Eric Walker wrote:
Le Aug 15, 2012 Ã 11:15 PM, "MarkI-ZeroPoint"
a écrit :
> MuKubre's body language was not good; I think
it reveals some level of reservations about being there.
> -mark
Understood. He may have had reservations about
endorsing what he saw, becau
I was reviewing the data series for the demonstration and would like to make a
suggestion. Could a well filtered variable current source be used as the drive
waveform for the active wire? I was thinking that a square wave source with DC
offset might reveal some interesting phenomena. Set the
At 10:44 PM 8/15/2012, Axil Axil wrote:
Most of all, Papp himself seemed to be the obstacle. In order to
have a commercial engine, he needed to disclose how it worked, and
he was terrified that if he disclosed it, he'd be cheated.
Bob Rohner once asked Papp why he was not interested in
comme
There is a path to clean nuclear called aneutronic fusion:
http://deadstickarizona-zedshort.blogspot.com/2012/06/alternate-path-to-cleaner-brighter.html
I'm inclined to think that some of the so-called green energies, especially
solar, will be worth the effort as the R&D process continues to produce
more efficient materials and/or their specific properties for extracting and/or
converting heat into energy, and will play a vital part in Clean Nuc
Morning Eric,
What doesn't make sense is that McKubre said himself that he has known Rohner
for, IIRC, 4 or 5 years. You'd think in that time he would have done a little
digging about the Papp saga, and would be aware of all that we are... with the
internet, it doesn't take long to find opposin
Hey Jed - If you get a chance ask Chelani about SiO2 coating of the Isostan
wire. His recently released patent has this as an essential step - and DK also
seem to have copied this idea with their Al2O3+SiO2 coating.
In the current work Chelani seems to have done away with the SiO2 coating? - or
Jojo,
I believe Abd to be very bright and a scholar of the history and the
nuclear fusion related study of cold fusion research. History is important
so you do not repeat the same mistakes. As you know I believe the primary
reaction is not fusion or fission, which are only secondary reactions.
The hydrogen will convect and distribute the heat quite evenly throughout
the cylinder, there will only be a small temperature gradient top to
bottom. Also results were calibrated against a non LENR heating wire in
the same reactor. So I partly agree, calorimetry is imperfect, but
probably good e
Hm... Chelani appears to be completely oblivious to the fact that cooling of
his heater wires is primarily via convection in his 7 Bar H2 atmosphere. I know
from firsthand experience that a majority of the heat will be carried from the
wires to the glass surface directly above the wires. There w
> Wire diameter 0.2mm, 1000mm long gives 0.031cm³, or about 500W/cm³,
Heat flux is all about surface radiation - not volume. The surface flux is
surprisingly mild.
The actual figures are:
Volume basis 667W/cc
Surface radiation 3.33W/cm2
Cheers
Mark Snoswell.
Good questions, Robin
I wish I remembered solid state physics better, but I am not sure that
sure that your estimates are correct in a crystal lattice where the energy
eigenfunctions are nonlocal and span the entire crystal, but acquire more
nodes when they gain energy.
If my memory is correct, h
I had unsubscribed and never intending to repost here again but I just can't
stand the pretentious verbal diarrhea of this self-appointed so called LENR
Expert.
Last time I checked, science and the scientific method involves First, coming
up with a hypothesis to explain the observed phenomena,
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