[Vo]:Topology is Key. Carbon Nanostructures are King

2012-08-21 Thread Jojo Jaro
Gang, There has been a lot of discussion about various LENR results lately. In these discussions, I think a consensus is building up that the key to successful LENR is topology. There has been flurry of discussions about ICCF papers that we keep on forgetting that ICCF results like Celani's a

Re: [Vo]:Topology is Key. Carbon Nanostructures are King

2012-08-21 Thread ChemE Stewart
You are describing a horny gremlin... On Tuesday, August 21, 2012, Jojo Jaro wrote: > ** > Gang, There has been a lot of discussion about various LENR results > lately. In these discussions, I think a consensus is building up that the > key to successful LENR is topology. > > There has been flu

Re: [Vo]:Topology is Key. Carbon Nanostructures are King

2012-08-21 Thread Peter Gluck
Dear Jojo, a) It has only a symbolic importance perhaps but *"topology *i*s the key" *as idea and as expression was first stated in my 1991 paper. b) what you say about LENR made in carbon nanostructures is very interesting- however what are the experimental facts that support this bright idea?

Re: [Vo]:Topology is Key. Carbon Nanostructures are King

2012-08-21 Thread ChemE Stewart
I realize Axil has been harping on Rydberg matter for months. Inverted Rydberg matter sounds even more interesting to me. Miley states that once the D(-1) inverted state is created in voids it may reside permanently. I also wonder what happens if it resides in a void and that void closes/compres

Re: [Vo]:Topology is Key. Carbon Nanostructures are King

2012-08-21 Thread Jojo Jaro
Peter, No experimental facts yet. I am working from a theoritical top-down approach. However, I believe it shouldn't take long to get some kind of "proof of concept", which I should be able to do when I am able to get back to the States. A "go or no go" decision can easily be reached, IMO.

Re: [Vo]:Topology is Key. Carbon Nanostructures are King

2012-08-21 Thread Jojo Jaro
Let me ellucidate another reason why I believe in Carbon Nanohorns is the right NAE. Understand that a Carbon Nanohorn is essentially a long long pipe with an open end on one end. H2 in molecular form can diffuse into the carbon nanohorn or pass thru from the open end and accumulate inside the

Re: [Vo]:Topology is Key. Carbon Nanostructures are King

2012-08-21 Thread ChemE Stewart
I agree with most of that although i expect carbon nanotubes to remain rigid while heated. I think having a metallic lattice crack/void completely filled inverted irydberg matter and then having that voild collapse arond it when it thermally expands due to heating and electrical stimulation is wha

Re: [Vo]:Topology is Key. Carbon Nanostructures are King

2012-08-21 Thread Peter Gluck
Jojo, All I can do is to wish you (the action) success, because we need it. Topology is the key, however the wall is the door- that is it participates in the nuclear reactions. Despite the fact I have followed the development from fullerenes to carbon tubes and graphene etc. A good friend was the

Re: [Vo]:Topology is Key. Carbon Nanostructures are King

2012-08-21 Thread Jojo Jaro
I believe you are incorrect with this hypothesis. The walls of a metal crack or void are not solid. They are porous such that a hydrogen ion can easily slip pass and diffuse in between the inter-atomic gaps. I don't believe a collapse of the void will compress the H+ ions in it enough for it

Re: [Vo]:Topology is Key. Carbon Nanostructures are King

2012-08-21 Thread Peter Gluck
Jojo, let the experiments speak, success! Peter On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 5:19 PM, Jojo Jaro wrote: > ** > I believe you are incorrect with this hypothesis. > > The walls of a metal crack or void are not solid. They are porous such > that a hydrogen ion can easily slip pass and diffuse in between

Re: [Vo]:Topology is Key. Carbon Nanostructures are King

2012-08-21 Thread Jojo Jaro
No, I don't believe anyone is doing Carbon nanohorns NAE, although I have a feeling that Ed Storms might have an inkling about this. He did mention to me that he was doing some Carbon nanotube experiments at one point and abandoned it for lack of results. In this hypothesis, Fusion will be str

Re: [Vo]:Topology is Key. Carbon Nanostructures are King

2012-08-21 Thread ChemE Stewart
If that Hydrogen exists in the voids as Inverted Rydberg Matter I am not so sure... On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 10:19 AM, Jojo Jaro wrote: > ** > I believe you are incorrect with this hypothesis. > > The walls of a metal crack or void are not solid. They are porous such > that a hydrogen ion can ea

Re: [Vo]:Dominguez ICCF17 abstract

2012-08-21 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 02:23 PM 8/20/2012, Peter Gluck wrote: I am looking this paper with very mixed feelinga. Admiration for a great effort, however 5% success rate due to palladiumphilia can be described by two nasty Latin sayings- too: Errare humanum est, persverare diabolicum Parturiunt montes, nascetur ridicu

Re: [Vo]:Stronghold argument and Feynman (was:Feynman on the Papp engine and explosion)

2012-08-21 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 02:11 PM 8/20/2012, ChemE Stewart wrote: They were probably both guilty of ignorance of what the reaction actually was/is and its potential although Papp had an idea. Unfortunately more injury may result until the reaction(s) are nailed down. There is a reason Plasmerg/Rohners maintain Lex

Re: [Vo]:Topology is Key. Carbon Nanostructures are King

2012-08-21 Thread Te Chung
See: http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg65904.html Old. Works. Chung New. http://pesn.com/2012/08/18/9602162_My_Visit_to_Inteligentry/ Working on 100 kw linear generator model from vortex. Chung --- On Tue, 8/21/12, Jojo Jaro wrote: From: Jojo Jaro Subject: Re: [Vo]:Topology i

Re: [Vo]:1983 and still no production model

2012-08-21 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 02:12 PM 8/20/2012, Terry Blanton wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joint_European_Torus Cool. 1973 - Beginning of design work ... 25th June 1983 - Very first plasma achieved at JET ... 9th November 1991 - The world’s first controlled release of fusion energy In the history of fusi

Re: [Vo]:Dominguez ICCF17 abstract

2012-08-21 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 02:37 PM 8/20/2012, Akira Shirakawa wrote: On 2012-08-20 21:23, Peter Gluck wrote: [...] I am very sorry but Pd is not good despite...everything.. Don't make the skeptics happy! Here's where experiments such as Celani's come into help: by showing the LENR community that excess heat can be

[Vo]:Defkalion's FAQ on their ICCF-17's presentation

2012-08-21 Thread Daniel Rocha
http://www.defkalion-energy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=1290 We noticed that several questions were raised in other forums or sites related with our public announcements during NI week and ICCF17. Here are the answers to such raised questions so far: *One of the co-author of your paper present

Re: [Vo]:LENR- Cold Fusion from Siemens

2012-08-21 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 03:14 PM 8/20/2012, Ron Kita wrote: Greetings Vortex-l The website below was sent to me by a Siemens employee: http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-829229 Respectfully, Ron Kita, Chiralex the mW should have been changed. mW -> MW. Embarrassing. Ther

Re: [Vo]:Dominguez ICCF17 abstract

2012-08-21 Thread Akira Shirakawa
On 2012-08-21 18:52, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: Look, Celani's work is great. His willingness to demonstrate it publicly is great. Don't make too much of it, though. The calorimetry shown is not conclusive. His lab reports are more valuable. Yes, I agree with you that there are experiments of g

Re: [Vo]:We need to be skeptical, and why: the future of Cold fusion

2012-08-21 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 04:23 PM 8/20/2012, James Bowery wrote: On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 5:18 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax <a...@lomaxdesign.com> wrote: if conditions are kept the same, it can suffice *for comparisons.* What if the comparison is between a known heat source (ie: "unity") and

Re: [Vo]:Topology is Key. Carbon Nanostructures are King

2012-08-21 Thread David Roberson
Jojo, It will be convenient if your nanotube concept works. As far as I am aware all of the present working LENR devices use metal NAEs so it is entirely possible that a CNT might not work. Please pursue your idea since as you suggest it would be relatively simple to replicate once the size

Re: [Vo]:Miley, et al - 62M Neutrons within 5 minutes - dangerous?

2012-08-21 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 04:55 PM 8/20/2012, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: In reply to David Roberson's message of Sun, 19 Aug 2012 18:27:41 -0400 (EDT): Hi, That would be consistent with my suggestion below. > >I have always wondered exactly what happens to matter that is heading directly toward the singularity. Do

Re: [Vo]:Dominguez ICCF17 abstract

2012-08-21 Thread Robert Lynn
Just how hard would it be to detect if Deuterium is the product in Ni-H LENR? I don't have good data on P-P=>D fusion, but based on mass difference it releases about 2.31e-13J/deuteron formed. Assuming that to really produce a strong Deuterium signal in needs to double in concentration from about

Re: [Vo]:We need to be skeptical, and why: the future of Cold fusion

2012-08-21 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 05:28 PM 8/20/2012, Jed Rothwell wrote: James Bowery <jabow...@gmail.com> wrote: "Is the diseconomy of scale primarily driven by the large number of thermocouples implied by the squared law of the surface area?" The answer was "Yes." Right. Yes. Note that this i

Re: [Vo]:Stronghold argument and Feynman (was:Feynman on the Papp engine and explosion)

2012-08-21 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 09:31 AM 8/21/2012, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: Folks, if you are not prepared to lose $350, plus more (for the fuel and to actually build a piston/cylinder) don't buy one of those kits. There is a high risk, from the history of this field. Caveat emptor. I'd be happy to contribute a small a

Re: [Vo]:1983 and still no production model

2012-08-21 Thread Robert Lynn
Hot Fusion will still ultimately have a place in space propulsion, providing the mach effect isn't real and exploitable. > If the reported NiH reactions are confirmed, it's totally over. Hot fusion > is dead. The money -- research billions, over many years -- will shift to > development of low-en

RE: [Vo]:DGT Forum Back Online

2012-08-21 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 05:37 PM 8/20/2012, Craig Brown wrote: The most fundamental question is of the power figures being claimed. Neither Rossi nor Defkalion have yet produced an independent test / report from a reputable third party organisation so far despite assurances that this would occur by now. Personal

Re: [Vo]:Miley, et al - 62M Neutrons within 5 minutes - dangerous?

2012-08-21 Thread ChemE Stewart
As I mentioned before, quantum gravity pull has a few advantages: 1) It acts as a guiding beacon for incoming particle waves, aligning them on the way in. 2) If you consider the particles as waves the incoming blueshift gives you high power right where you need it at the point of collapse. 3)

Re: [Vo]:We need to be skeptical, and why: the future of Cold fusion

2012-08-21 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 07:11 PM 8/20/2012, David Roberson wrote: I agree with you Jed. The surface that is emitting the heat should be at the same temperature regardless of what the internal structure looks like. If the test wire dissipates 48 watts, then that much must exit through the surface. If less is rele

Re: [Vo]:We need to be skeptical, and why: the future of Cold fusion

2012-08-21 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 07:51 PM 8/20/2012, Harry Veeder wrote: On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 5:23 PM, James Bowery wrote: > On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 5:18 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax > wrote: >> >> if conditions are kept the same, it can suffice *for comparisons.* >> > > What if the comparison is between a known heat source (

RE: [Vo]:DGT Forum Back Online -- REGISTRATION MESSAGE

2012-08-21 Thread Alan J Fletcher
If you're registered on DGT forum you need to check your messages for instructions on how to keep your registration (They apparently sent 5 messages which they deleted before being read)

Re: [Vo]:We need to be skeptical, and why: the future of Cold fusion

2012-08-21 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 08:05 PM 8/20/2012, Jed Rothwell wrote: Anyway, no experiment will convince the editors at Nature and Sci. Am. They are a lost cause. Only commercial sales in the hundreds of millions will convince them. Then they will modestly take credit for it. "We are grateful to report that our strong

Re: [Vo]:Miley, et al - 62M Neutrons within 5 minutes - dangerous?

2012-08-21 Thread David Roberson
I suggest that the statement about the average Vortician is not called for. Who placed you in a category above the others of the collective? Enough said. Dave -Original Message- From: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax To: vortex-l ; vortex-l Sent: Tue, Aug 21, 2012 12:52 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Mi

Re: [Vo]:Topology is Key. Carbon Nanostructures are King

2012-08-21 Thread pagnucco
Jojo, This may be a good area to do further carbon-LENR experimentation. You can find some experimental data, albeit not exactly what you propose, by doing a web search on "LENR carbon". Also, don't forget that some carbon nanostructures are excellent ballistic- and/or super-conductors - even at

Re: [Vo]:Dominguez ICCF17 abstract

2012-08-21 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 09:21 PM 8/20/2012, Kelley Trezise wrote: I have suggested that palladium is a red herring. If the phenomena is a surface effect then the outer surface of the palladium or material X will have the greatest number of defects or surface-effect areas and it has been found that roughening the s

Re: [Vo]:110 automobile batteries to power the Oklahoma Noble Gas Engine?

2012-08-21 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 11:38 PM 8/20/2012, Kelley Trezise wrote: Nicely done. The most likely conclusion to the Papp Engine story is that there is nothing there. Papp retired after tinkering with toys and then luring in investors and the Rohner bro's took up the thread. Nothing will ever come of the Papp engine ot

[Vo]:JET Energy website

2012-08-21 Thread Akira Shirakawa
Hello group, In case anybody missed this, JET Energy (of the MIT / NANOR LENR cell by Dr. Mitchell Swartz) now have a website: http://world.std.com/~mica/jetenergy.htm They really should register a domain name, though. Cheers, S.A.

Re: [Vo]:Topology is Key. Carbon Nanostructures are King

2012-08-21 Thread Fang Sen
See: http://arxiv.org/pdf/physics/0608229 +++

Re: [Vo]:Topology is Key. Carbon Nanostructures are King

2012-08-21 Thread ChemE Stewart
Just as a first pass I calculated a minimum crack/void volume if you were filling the crack/void with inverted Rydberg Matter and then collapsing it to a micro black hole... If anybody is strange and wants to kill time like me you can check my calcs... Inverted Rydberg Matter Density 1.00E+29 i

Re: [Vo]:Miley, et al - 62M Neutrons within 5 minutes - dangerous?

2012-08-21 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 12:14 PM 8/21/2012, ChemE Stewart wrote: As I mentioned before, quantum gravity pull has a few advantages: 1) It acts as a guiding beacon for incoming particle waves, aligning them on the way in. 2) If you consider the particles as waves the incoming blueshift gives you high power right

Re: [Vo]:Topology is Key. Carbon Nanostructures are King

2012-08-21 Thread Jojo Jaro
Yes, a lot of very useful papers I've found. I've been immersing myself in a lot of papers lately. I believe I have nailed down the some of the ideal conditions for effective charge accumulation and field emission. For instance, I've found that MWNTs are better field emitters than SWNTs beca

[Vo]:Not simply a surface effect

2012-08-21 Thread Jones Beene
For to record ... and to correct potential disinformation. Excess heat as seen recently in Celani/Technova etc. is NOT simply a surface morphology effect, according to Ahern's EPRI report. Rather, excess heat depends on both nano-geometry and the proper alloy being found together in the same pow

[Vo]:Femto-Videos - Are they useful in LENR research?

2012-08-21 Thread pagnucco
Since LENR phenomena are so elusive and ephemeral, would it be useful to watch electromagnetic emissions occur with pico-second resolution? For example, it might be possible to catch "micro-volcanoes" form on metal hydride surfaces, and determine where they form and whether they cluster in time or

Re: [Vo]:Topology is Key. Carbon Nanostructures are King

2012-08-21 Thread Jojo Jaro
Hmmm, you're saying that the right void radius dimension is 37.35221 micrometers? At first glance, that seems too large to me. I think a better way would be to imagine a cylinder (a nanohorn) and calculate the charge repulsion exerted on an H+ ion inside that cylinder such that if it is th

Re: [Vo]:Miley, et al - 62M Neutrons within 5 minutes - dangerous?

2012-08-21 Thread ChemE Stewart
Abd, The micro black hole would begin life without momentum, so it would not immediately zip off through the earth. A 22 microgram black hole would not consume the earth, read up, lots of recent studies. A micro black hole with the mass of a mountain only exerts one gram of force on its surroundi

Re: [Vo]:Topology is Key. Carbon Nanostructures are King

2012-08-21 Thread ChemE Stewart
That was just an example of a perfect sphere. A crack or cylinder that winds it way would of course be smaller diameter. It was just a first pass and did not rely on any other effects that might reduce the volume requirements. For example if quantum gravitation effects are higher than predicted,

Re: [Vo]:Miley, et al - 62M Neutrons within 5 minutes - dangerous?

2012-08-21 Thread Jojo Jaro
Oh Stewart my friend, this is so wrong and so mean as so many levels :-) I guess this expert just reminds me of what Einstein said about "Condemnation before Investigation ..." Jojo - Original Message - From: ChemE Stewart To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, August 22,

Re: [Vo]:Miley, et al - 62M Neutrons within 5 minutes - dangerous?

2012-08-21 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 12:43 PM 8/21/2012, David Roberson wrote: I suggest that the statement about the average Vortician is not called for. Who placed you in a category above the others of the collective? Enough said. I suppose it's too much to expect To make this clear, people here have the right to sa

Re: [Vo]:Femto-Videos - Are they useful in LENR research?

2012-08-21 Thread Jojo Jaro
WOW ... This is so cool. You can actually see Relativistic Anomalies. Jojo - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 2:55 AM Subject: [Vo]:Femto-Videos - Are they useful in LENR research? Ramesh Raskar: Imaging at a trillion frames per second http://www.

Re: [Vo]:Not simply a surface effect

2012-08-21 Thread Jojo Jaro
This is explosive Jones. Many of us here in Vortex seems to have reached the conclusion that the LENR effects are primarily due to Topology. I was unaware of this result from Ahern that seems to clearly say otherwise. Well, I guess I learn something new everyday. That is why I value this for

Re: [Vo]:We need to be skeptical, and why: the future of Cold fusion

2012-08-21 Thread James Bowery
On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 1:37 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: > At 08:05 PM 8/20/2012, Jed Rothwell wrote: > >> Anyway, no experiment will convince the editors at Nature and Sci. Am. >> They are a lost cause. Only commercial sales in the hundreds of millions >> will convince them. Then they will mo

Re: [Vo]:Dominguez ICCF17 abstract

2012-08-21 Thread Jed Rothwell
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: Eff the skeptics. My feelings exactly. Whether "5% success rate" is good news or bad news depends entirely on the details of those experiments. They ran 300 experiments. . . . I believe the 5% refers to the last set of experiments run after ICCF16. There wer

[Vo]:UFO found on mars by new lander?

2012-08-21 Thread fznidarsic
Subject: UFO found on mars by new Mars lander? http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/21/ufos-on-mars-curiosity-rover_n_1813726.html

[Vo]:JET Nanor described at ICCF17

2012-08-21 Thread Jed Rothwell
Akira Shirakawa wrote: > A JET Nanor ran for, what was it? -- months? -- at MIT early this year. >> > > Unfortunately - I could be wrong - there's not much information around > about it . . . Peter Hagelstein described this work at ICCF17. His explanation was much clearer than Swartz's own. Th

Re: [Vo]:Not simply a surface effect

2012-08-21 Thread Roarty, Francis X
Even though it sounds so out of reach right now you just know that 20 years from now some Bill Niles / McGiver type will demonstrate the effect on a desktop using some foil wrappers ,a battery charger and some form of hydroxide right off the shelf at WallMart. The trick will be in processing the

Re: [Vo]:Not simply a surface effect

2012-08-21 Thread ChemE Stewart
I am sure some of you are already aware of this Dissimilar metals and alloys have different electrode potentials and when two or more come into contact in an electrolyte a galvanic couple is set up, one metal acting as anode and the other as cathod

Re: [Vo]:Miley, et al - 62M Neutrons within 5 minutes - dangerous?

2012-08-21 Thread Terry Blanton
On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 1:54 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: > Well, I suppose it's too much to expect for the average Vortician to > understand relativity. Having an imperious moment, eh, Abd? T

Re: [Vo]:Miley, et al - 62M Neutrons within 5 minutes - dangerous?

2012-08-21 Thread Jojo Jaro
Hmmm, it seems to me that before one has the right to brag about Cal Tech, one needs to at least have graduated from Cal Tech. How does one get off bragging about Cal Tech when one dropped out of Cal Tech. "Hey look all you puny Vorticians, bow before me, the EXPERT. You ain't smart enou

Re: [Vo]:Femto-Videos - Are they useful in LENR research?

2012-08-21 Thread Terry Blanton
On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 2:55 PM, wrote: > Opinions welcome. It's not really a linear image obtained at a lot of frames per second. It is a very iterative and progressive process. T

[Vo]:What a self-sustaining demonstration by Celani might accomplish

2012-08-21 Thread Jed Rothwell
Akira Shirakawa wrote: > It's true that the calorimetry shown is currently not conclusive, but will > this matter anymore once he manages to run it in self-sustaining or mostly > self-sustained mode? > I do not know what a "mostly" self-sustaining mode would be. A fully self-sustaining run last

Re: [Vo]:Miley, et al - 62M Neutrons within 5 minutes - dangerous?

2012-08-21 Thread David Roberson
Apology accepted Abd. Let's leave it at that. Dave -Original Message- From: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax To: vortex-l ; vortex-l Sent: Tue, Aug 21, 2012 3:51 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Miley, et al - 62M Neutrons within 5 minutes - dangerous? At 12:43 PM 8/21/2012, David Roberson wrote: >I sugges

Re: [Vo]:What a self-sustaining demonstration by Celani might accomplish

2012-08-21 Thread Akira Shirakawa
On 2012-08-22 00:06, Jed Rothwell wrote: I do not know what a "mostly" self-sustaining mode would be. A fully self-sustaining run lasting more than 10 minutes with no temperature decline would be irrefutable proof that the effect is real, and anomalous. There is less than a gram of wire in the ce

RE: [Vo]:UFO found on mars by new lander?

2012-08-21 Thread OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
> UFO found on mars by new Mars lander? > > http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/21/ufos-on-mars-curiosity-rover_n_1813 726.html What took them so long? I predict a slew of new websites will spring up managed by a eager bunch of self-proclaimed interplanetary-archeologists who will pres

Re: [Vo]:What a self-sustaining demonstration by Celani might accomplish

2012-08-21 Thread David Roberson
The self sustaining mode that we refer to is generally considered a positive feedback system. Unfortunately, when the gain becomes infinity the output becomes unstable. In that case, it is either rising toward some high temperature point that eventually reaches a stop or falling back toward l

Re: [Vo]:Miley, et al - 62M Neutrons within 5 minutes - dangerous?

2012-08-21 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 02:05 PM 8/21/2012, ChemE Stewart wrote: Abd, The micro black hole would begin life without momentum, so it would not immediately zip off through the earth. I didn't say it would. Not immediately. If it's born very small, it will, every time it eats a proton, accumulate a positive charge,

Re: [Vo]:We need to be skeptical, and why: the future of Cold fusion

2012-08-21 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 03:38 PM 8/21/2012, James Bowery wrote: On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 1:37 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax <a...@lomaxdesign.com> wrote: At 08:05 PM 8/20/2012, Jed Rothwell wrote: Anyway, no experiment will convince the editors at Nature and Sci. Am. They are a lost cause. On

Re: [Vo]:Miley, et al - 62M Neutrons within 5 minutes - dangerous?

2012-08-21 Thread Daniel Rocha
That 22ug blackhole is the lightest one and thus the one that decays the fatest.That blackhole would decay in 10^-44s. But to create one, you'd have the mass-energy of 10^19 protons in 10^-35metes, that is, a radius 10^20 smaller than 1 proton. That's quite a small cross section. So, the expanse of

Re: [Vo]:Dominguez ICCF17 abstract

2012-08-21 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 03:57 PM 8/21/2012, Jed Rothwell wrote: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: Eff the skeptics. My feelings exactly. Voice of America, I am today. Whether "5% success rate" is good news or bad news depends entirely on the details of those experiments. They ran 300 experiments. . . . I believ

Re: [Vo]:Miley, et al - 62M Neutrons within 5 minutes - dangerous?

2012-08-21 Thread ChemE Stewart
"a few atoms missing here and there". Now think what that will do over time to any piece of equipment or biological process which relies on any degree of certainty and repeatability to function. As opposed to assuming fraud with all of these companies I would like to believe they are all having o

Re: [Vo]:Dark Matter around the Sun

2012-08-21 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 04:51 PM 8/21/2012, ChemE Stewart wrote: http://www.science20.com/news_articles/lots_dark_matter_near_sun_says_computer_model-92910 Waiting for Abd to confirm what this is or isn't... Okay, I looked.

Re: [Vo]:Stronghold argument and Feynman (was:Feynman on the Papp engine and explosion)

2012-08-21 Thread mixent
In reply to Abd ul-Rahman Lomax's message of Tue, 21 Aug 2012 11:31:18 -0500: Hi, [snip] >I don't think anyone knows what the reaction is, if it's real. The >work has not been done. However, Bob Rohner demonstrated his popper >behind that glass. He doesn't use it in his own shop/lab, see the >v

RE: [Vo]:UFO found on mars by new lander?

2012-08-21 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 07:47 PM 8/21/2012, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson wrote: Humans are very good a filling in the dots. I suspect the ability to interpret (and particularly to extrapolate) one’s immediate surroundings was probably a very good survival trait in which to pass on from generation to gener

Re: [Vo]:Dark Matter around the Sun

2012-08-21 Thread ChemE Stewart
Now, read the Encyclopedia Brittanica and report back to me...We will reserve your temporary allotment of unused bandwidth while you are occupied and the mail servers cool down. Hey i just found out they have an online version! On Tuesday, August 21, 2012, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: > At 04:51

Re: [Vo]:What a self-sustaining demonstration by Celani might accomplish

2012-08-21 Thread mixent
In reply to David Roberson's message of Tue, 21 Aug 2012 20:50:39 -0400 (EDT): Hi, [snip] > >The self sustaining mode that we refer to is generally considered a positive >feedback system. Unfortunately, when the gain becomes infinity the output >becomes unstable. In that case, it is either ris

Re: [Vo]:Stronghold argument and Feynman (was:Feynman on the Papp engine and explosion)

2012-08-21 Thread ChemE Stewart
I wonder how many pops it takes to knock out enough brain cell atoms so that you either forget why you bought the popper or at a minimum start acting like Rossi...Wierd Science. On Tuesday, August 21, 2012, wrote: > In reply to Abd ul-Rahman Lomax's message of Tue, 21 Aug 2012 11:31:18 > -0500:

Re: [Vo]:Stronghold argument and Feynman (was:Feynman on the Papp engine and explosion)

2012-08-21 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 09:23 PM 8/21/2012, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: Isn't there a balloon attached to the end of the popper? (Which would automatically function as a safety valve). No, if there really were a rapid increase in pressure, rapid enough, the balloon fitting would not pass the gas fast enough and th

Re: [Vo]:Stronghold argument and Feynman (was:Feynman on the Papp engine and explosion)

2012-08-21 Thread ChemE Stewart
Abd, I size pressure safety relief devices all the time. Typically you select a PSV relief orifice size to handle the maximum instantaneous relief flow required to keep the vessel with 10% of its ASME design pressure. You usually do not let the device/vessel crack or explode. In deflagration ev

Re: [Vo]:Stronghold argument and Feynman (was:Feynman on the Papp engine and explosion)

2012-08-21 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
Call it the bioassay method of measuring reaction effects. The unit of exposure, the Papp. Lifetime exposure should be limited to a few millipapps. They would use mice for monitoring, but the animal rights people threatened to sue, so former Nature editors were retained. After all, they had

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion's FAQ on their ICCF-17's presentation

2012-08-21 Thread Eric Walker
On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 8:58 AM, Daniel Rocha wrote: *In your papers and Interviews, weak gamma about 50-300keV, around > background level, are discussed, mostly on starting. Can you already > roughly estimate the dose that could be added to people around, assuming a > 10-50kW reactor in the base

Re: [Vo]:What a self-sustaining demonstration by Celani might accomplish

2012-08-21 Thread David Roberson
Yes, it might be possible to control the device by limiting the fuel as you suggest. Once you sense something and use that information to adjust the fuel, you have enclosed the positive feedback inside a negative feedback loop. Are you thinking of running the device effectively open loop by f

Re: [Vo]:Stronghold argument and Feynman (was:Feynman on the Papp engine and explosion)

2012-08-21 Thread David Roberson
Let's hope that this does not come to pass. I would rather find out that the device operates with more or less standard physics instead of something sinister. Dave -Original Message- From: ChemE Stewart To: vortex-l Sent: Tue, Aug 21, 2012 10:39 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Stronghold argu

Re: [Vo]:Dominguez ICCF17 abstract

2012-08-21 Thread Eric Walker
On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 11:55 PM, Peter Gluck wrote: Dear Eric, > I don't think the walls of the nano-voids are real insulators. > However it seems (as DGTG alludes to) very intense electric and magnetic > phenomena take place in the special void places. And the nano-voids are > highly dynamic,

Re: [Vo]:Dominguez ICCF17 abstract

2012-08-21 Thread Axil Axil
What these topologic materials do is impose order on electron behavior at the boundaries of the bulk material through structural and/or crystal organization of the various constituent atom types inside the bulk. The electric fields of these bulk atoms control what the surface electrons do on the

Re: [Vo]:What a self-sustaining demonstration by Celani might accomplish

2012-08-21 Thread Axil Axil
If Celani wanted to demonstrate an easily detectable LENR reaction, he would only need to multiply the number of wires he uses in his device by 10 or 100. A 150 or 1500 watt excess output would be hard to misinterpret. Cheers: Axil On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 6:06 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Akir