http://phys.org/news/2012-09-mathematicians-theory-dark-energy-einstein.html
#nwlt
Some interesting comments about this new theory:
“… the law of energy and momentum conservation in spacetime is valid only
when normal matter, dark matter and dark energy are all taken into account.
For
Report from day 1 of the ECat Convention in Zürich
Andrea Rossi
presented a report by „independent parties („professors of
universities and „engineers from military environments), signed by
nuclear engineer Fabio Penon. All parties that participated in the
report are still operating to
The name is Fulvio Fabiani, not Flavio Fabiani
Am 09.09.2012
10:02, schrieb h...@haikolietz.de:
Report from day 1 of the ECat
Convention in Zürich
Andrea Rossi presented a report by
„independent parties („professors of universities and „engineers from
military environments), signed by
Thanks Haiko…
we much appreciate the time you took to post this report!
-Mark Iverson
From: h...@haikolietz.de [mailto:h...@haikolietz.de]
Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2012 1:02 AM
To: c...@googlegroups.com; vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: [Vo]:ECat convention (Report day 1)
Report from
reading about the thermal camera:
http://www.optris.com/thermal-imager-pi160?file=tl_files/pdf/Downloads/Infrared%20Cameras/PI_Brochure.pdf
http://www.optris.com/thermal-imager-pi160?file=tl_files/pdf/Downloads/IR-Basics.pdf
Has stated accuracy of +/- 2% which at typical 1000K of Rossi's
Also I note that there is no neutron detection in the radiation measurements
On 9 September 2012 10:29, Robert Lynn robert.gulliver.l...@gmail.comwrote:
reading about the thermal camera:
http://www.optris.com/thermal-imager-pi160?file=tl_files/pdf/Downloads/Infrared%20Cameras/PI_Brochure.pdf
Sounds logical and here is my interpretation:
Gravity acts more strongly at reduced distances as they state and is the
conduit between matter, dark matter and dark energy.
-Dark matter is just collapsed matter due to the strong gravitational pull
at Planck distances.
-Dark matter above the
If Rossi stayed around 1000K, that means 727C. So, comfortably within the
range..
2012/9/9 Robert Lynn robert.gulliver.l...@gmail.com
reading about the thermal camera:
http://www.optris.com/thermal-imager-pi160?file=tl_files/pdf/Downloads/Infrared%20Cameras/PI_Brochure.pdf
Hello Haiko,
I watched-intermittently, the videocast of the Zurich conference sunday 10:00
up to 17:xx (now).
I have very mixed feelings on that.
1st)
Adolf and Inge Schneider, TransAltec Inc., Zurich/CH, the organizers, are a
quite dubious couple
2nd)
Rossi's presentation did not show
Thanks for the report! The situation is confusing.
- Jed
I think it's fairly simple actually. Mr Rossi has chosen to organize his
efforts as a commercial enterprise, rather than as a scientific enterprise.
Therefore, proof occurs when somebody can buy one, and the customer reports
that it works, even if just to some limited extent and with extensive
Jeff Berkowitz pdx...@gmail.com wrote:
Scientific publication approach or commercial enterprise approach: choose
one.
Why choose one? They are not mutually exclusive. Mainstream companies
routinely publish information that meets scientific standards of
reliability, although details are often
Some time back I fought the battle of the E-Cat article on Wikipedia but found
it too frustrating and in the end even enfuriating as there are some very
tennatious editiors that really, really don't like cold fusion articles in any
way shape or form. Their obnoxious behavior have driven off the
“This report comes from two separated tests made on the 16th of July and
the 7th of August, made by the Certificator and professors from 2
Universities. We are under NDA with both, but I want to make very clear
that this is not a final report, because all the measurements have to be
repeated many
...Therefore, proof occurs when somebody can buy one,...
after watching for 8hr+ wooly heads at the Zurich conference, who are ready to
spend significant amounts of money on anything nonsensical, I seriously
question the/Yourproposition, that money buys , or equals, 'reality'.
This ist not so!
Inline...
On Sun, Sep 9, 2012 at 9:21 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Jeff Berkowitz pdx...@gmail.com wrote:
Scientific publication approach or commercial enterprise approach: choose
one.
Why choose one? They are not mutually exclusive. Mainstream companies
routinely
From: Kelley Trezise ktrez2...@ssvecnet.com
Sent: Sunday, September 9, 2012 9:31:22 AM
Some time back I fought the battle of the E-Cat article on Wikipedia
but found it too frustrating and in the end even enfuriating as there
are some very tennatious editiors that really, really don't like
From: Kelley Trezise ktrez2...@ssvecnet.com
Please consider going to the article, read it and vote on its
truswothiness, objectivity, etc. at the bottom of the page.
The talk page isn't the place to vote. If it comes up for a formal request
for deletion then a new page will be opened up for
On 09-Sep-12 15:36, Alan Fletcher wrote:
From: Kelley Trezise ktrez2...@ssvecnet.com
Sent: Sunday, September 9, 2012 9:31:22 AM
Some time back I fought the battle of the E-Cat article on Wikipedia
but found it too frustrating and in the end even enfuriating as there
are some very tennatious
I've followed most of the conference remotely as well.
Mixed observations in addition to what Guenter already posted here:
- rossi now says Ni conversion to Cu is a tiny side effect, when responding
to a public question on Helium production. So what about the ash that he
allowed a Swedish
I can understand your frustration, but I see no reason to throw in the
towel. Just read the article and vote at the bottom of the page so anyone
coming there will understand that there is a problem with the article.
- Original Message -
From: Alan Fletcher a...@well.com
To:
I think Roth's reaction is a bit childish. Simply because he does not like
the way he was treated is no reason to trash all of WP. We should not throw
the baby out with the bath water. I wrote 75% of the article on Soil and
would hate to see my beautiful baby destroyed.
Zedshort
-
On 2012-09-09 21:12, Teslaalset wrote:
- prometeon, the Italian licensee/distributer, mentioned cooperation
with Siemens in a public presentation
Here (slide 2):
http://www.22passi.it/Presentazione_Prometeon_Zurigo_8_settembre_2012.pdf
Source:
We all know and probably most of us
love science fiction
The Zurich conference was something similar
commerce fiction dedicated to a still
mythical product- the 1 MW E-cat. If and when
this product will be available commerce fiction
will become simply commerce.
As an aside, Rossi was speaking
--- On Fri, 9/7/12, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
orionwo...@charter.net wrote:
I'm puzzled by the fact that many Aliens are strikingly humanoid in
appearance - possessing two legs, arms, eyes, a nose and mouth, placed in
pretty much the same locations as we possess. I don't
I think it is best to delete the article. I wish they would delete the
article on cold fusion.
Wikipedia is dysfunctional and cannot be fixed. The problem is in the
structure and guiding philosophy.
- Jed
Rossi report : the temperature of the outside cylinder is reported to be at
871C max, 820C average.
Shouldn't it be glowing cherry red?
http://www.hearth.com/econtent/index.php/wiki/Temperature_when_metal_glows_red/
C F Color
400 752 Red heat, visible in the dark
474 885 Red heat, visible in
Part of the value of keeping an article from deletion is the history of
edits doesn't disappear.
A big part of my motivation in suggesting the use of Wikipedia as the basis
for the Hutter Prize for Lossless Compression of Human Knowledge was the
virulence of the editors of Wikipedia needs to be
From: Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com
Sent: Sunday, September 9, 2012 12:45:32 PM
Subject: [Vo]:commerce fiction- a new concept?
As an aside, Rossi was speaking many times
about a Hot Cat working at 1200C, something
very challenging.
We have learned now that the Hot Cat work
at only 730
On 2012-09-09 22:20, Alan Fletcher wrote:
Rossi report : the temperature of the outside cylinder is reported to be at
871C max, 820C average.
Shouldn't it be glowing cherry red?
Most digital photo cameras have filters against infrared lighting. This
might be the reason why it doesn't appear
The photo may have been taken part way through the test, rather than at
the end. The temp is gradually ramped up during the test
Nigel
On 09/09/2012 21:20, Alan Fletcher wrote:
Rossi report : the temperature of the outside cylinder is reported to be at
871C max, 820C average.
Shouldn't it
yes we should keep archive, for a future Nuremberg Trial on Wikipedia...
same for peer-review, magazines, and other insults
2012/9/9 James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com
Part of the value of keeping an article from deletion is the history of
edits doesn't disappear.
A big part of my motivation
I have been meaning to ask about this! I will start a separate thread.
Jeff
On Sun, Sep 9, 2012 at 1:47 PM, Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com wrote:
yes we should keep archive, for a future Nuremberg Trial on Wikipedia...
same for peer-review, magazines, and other insults
2012/9/9 James
Just in case this all pans out the way we hope, I think it would be great
to assemble the historical quotes about CF/LENR that would taste best when
eaten, if you know what I mean.
Someone might already have done this, in which case a pointer is fine.
Otherwise, hoping for quotes that can be
The Kullander report of the 6 month used ash stated that it contains 10%
Cu and 11% Fe. It is not clear by what analysis that assessment was made,
but it was likely EDAX (Energy Dispersive X-ray Spectral analysis),
normally made via SEM. Such analysis is a surface measurement. In the
case of
In this presentation, Rossi stated that Ni transmutation is not responsible
for extra heat. This is a secondary negligible phenomena and nearly most of
what is detected is due contamination.
2012/9/9 Bob Higgins rj.bob.higg...@gmail.com
The Kullander report of the 6 month used ash stated that
I believe, like many, that the transmutations seen are surface side-effects
of the LENR; and as Rossi now says, are not substantial contributors to the
excess heat effect. I don't believe that the Cu that Kullander measured
was contamination. My understanding was that the early e-cat reaction
Those of you interested in modeling all things astronomical, here's an
interesting PDF:
http://gsjournal.net/Science-Journals/Research%20Papers-Astrophysics/Downloa
d/1063
A physicist friend from academia responded to the above by saying this:
---
I gave a talk two years ago on the
The problem is that it is difficult to write about Rossi, because he has
not shown any reasons why anyone should take him seriously. On the other
hand, there are very serious reasons to believe that he
is committing massive fraud.
There is very good article about Blacklight Power in Wikipedia.
Jouni Valkonen jounivalko...@gmail.com wrote:
The problem is that it is difficult to write about Rossi, because he has
not shown any reasons why anyone should take him seriously. On the other
hand, there are very serious reasons to believe that he
is committing massive fraud.
I do not know
From: Alan Fletcher a...@well.com
Hmmm ... they calculate the convection term as 0-900W, so they just
ignore it.(which gives a lower COP)
I'm not sure if the convection would affect the wall temperature from
bottom to top. Probably not by much.
Re-re-re-corrected. The DO use convection
Boltzmann law goes with the 4th power. Since he calculates the output with
that, he'd have to make an error of temperature of (COP)^(1/4). For a COP
of 2, that error is of ~20%. For a temperature of 1000K, that would mean an
overestimation of 200K. I think this is unlikely.
2012/9/9 Alan
Andrea Rossi
September 9th, 2012 at 6:07 PM
Dear Brian:
It is necessary that I repeat the following statement:
THE HOT CAT ( REACTOR AT HIGH TEMPERATURE) HAS NOT BEEN YET VALIDATED, BECAUSE
THE TESTS AND THE MEASUREMENTS HAVE STILL TO BE COMPLETED, AND TO COMPLETE THEM
WILL BE NECESSARY AT
Luigi Versaggi
September 8th, 2012 at 9:05 PM
Congratulations for the Zurich E-CAT Conference.
I suppose this time the main stream media cannot ignore the facts.
We must thank you, the world must thank you.
Andrea Rossi
September 9th, 2012 at 6:13 PM
Dear Luigi Versaggi:
The main stream media
From: Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com
Sent: Sunday, September 9, 2012 12:45:32 PM
As an aside, Rossi was speaking many times about a Hot Cat working at 1200C,
something
very challenging.
We have learned now that the Hot Cat work at only 730 C..cool (relatively)
From the report Part 1
On 10 September 2012 02:52, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
You do not need to satisfy people. You need to report the replicated,
peer-reviewed facts of the matter. Science is not a popularity contest.
That is true, but here cold fusion science has failed.
*Correlation of excess
Jouni Valkonen jounivalko...@gmail.com wrote:
Here is one example of the good peer-reviewed paper, but where is the
replication of the data?
There have been only a few replications in Italy, at SRI and elsewhere
because the experiment is expensive and time consuming, and there is no
money to
Dear Jeff,
Please give at least one nice example of what you are thinking
If it is about smart sayings, my favorite would be, cited from memory:
COLD FUSION IS TO HOT FUSION WHAT BIOCHEMISTRY IS TO CHEMISTRY.
*(CHRIS TINSLEY)*
*
*
Peter
*
*
On Mon, Sep
Yes.
It is like energy from a simple photo-voltaic plate compared to a complex
photosynthetic mechanism.
2012/9/10 Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com
Dear Jeff,
Please give at least one nice example of what you are thinking
If it is about smart sayings, my favorite would be, cited from
On 10 September 2012 07:39, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
In essence, you are saying we should ignore the data because people
opposed to cold fusion have successfully cut off funding. We should let
politics dictate what we believe.
I did not say that. I just said how science
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