On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 9:54 AM, Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.comwrote:
you have a point.
a good idea for latter as someone said in a forum is:
- to invite students who will play the skeptics, with stupid ideas, most
stupid, some not so stupid... with naive, not far from the one of
On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 1:22 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com wrote:
Watch the cheese video. The ends of the wires that the magician wants you
to measure are already exposed. Clever, huh.
Too clever by half. This would not begin to fool any
On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 4:44 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Mark Gibbs mgi...@gibbs.com wrote:
Ah, so it's OK to argue that Cude is, in effect, hand-waving away Ohm's
law and that's indefensible because that law is accepted but it's not OK to
argue that Carat's dismissal of
On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 4:47 PM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.comwrote:
Mark, you quoted Siegel as saying that CF violated physics because it did
not act like hot fusion. Carat simply pointed out that CF was not like hot
fusion and this comparison was not valid. She simply made a statement
On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 3:12 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
The Elforsk web page announcement is better than a signed statement, in
my opinion. So was EPRI's statement. A conclusion issued by an organization
carries more weight than statement signed by one EE.
Along the
A single wire does have a magnetic field.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Manoderecha.svg
Harry
On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 10:51 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
I guess I fell for the word trap without looking at the drawing. What
was discussed about the magnetic fields of
On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 4:44 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:
LENR complies with all know physical laws. The problem is that few
scientists have a background in this new branch of science.
You don't know what you're talking about. LENR is contrary to predictions
based on a century of
On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 5:03 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Let me quote the specific text from Cude that I discussed:
You're just repeating your arguments and ignoring the responses I've
already given to them. Obviously I have no proof. How could I? True
believers insist on
On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 6:50 PM, John Berry berry.joh...@gmail.com wrote:
There is one very very simple truth.
Many will never believe right up until a technology is widely available.
If so, I think it will be a first. I am not aware of a phenomenon that was
widely rejected by the
On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 7:34 PM, Ruby r...@hush.com wrote:
How did quantum mechanics come about?
Experimental phenomenon occurred in blackbody radiation that could not be
explained by the conventional physical theories of the day.
Right, but all the anomalies that led to QM were robust,
On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 9:01 PM, Alan Fletcher a...@well.com wrote:
Levi didn't provide pictures of the resistors, but it's reasonable to
assume that they had the same structure as showed by Penon.
http://coldfusionnow.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/105322688-Penon4-1.pdf
The resistors are
Greeting Vortex-L
Boring
http://www.lenrnews.eu/
Ron Kita, Chiralex
On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 6:55 PM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 12:36 AM, Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.comwrote:
He said you need a battery for an internal combustion engine, and so that
means it's not self-sustaining. That was what I responded to.
My
On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 7:31 PM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote:
the analogy only goes so far, in that it is harder in Rossi's case to
recapture the heat and channel it back into the secondary source.
But the ecat just uses electricity to make heat. So if the ecat already
makes
My dear friends,
I have just published:
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2013/05/jeane-manning-writes-about-defkalion.html
The Canadian New Energy writer Jeane Manning discovers and describes the
new paradigm of LENR+ - and I am also trying to describe LENR+ for you,
inviting you to contribute to
On Sat, Jun 1, 2013 at 10:36 PM, Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 6:50 PM, John Berry berry.joh...@gmail.comwrote:
There is one very very simple truth.
Many will never believe right up until a technology is widely available.
If so, I think it will be a
My dear friends,
I have just published:
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2013/05/jeane-manning-writes-about-defkalion.html
The Canadian New Energy writer Jeane Manning discovers and describes the
new paradigm of LENR+ - and I am also trying to describe LENR+ for you,
inviting you to contribute to
On Sat, 1 Jun 2013 06:52:44 -0400
Ron Kita chiralex.k...@gmail.com wrote:
Greeting Vortex-L
Boring
http://www.lenrnews.eu/
Are you kidding? This blows Rossi out of the water.
[quote]
The good-news claim is that DGT can control their multi-stage
dynamic process. We observed their
Actually thinking about it. the reason these people reject big new thing is
because the have very small minds/vision, this is why they reject anything
big.
That is not the same as stupid, but literally they have very real limits to
them.
They reject these things because they want to keep a very
See please what says Yiannis about Rossi. It is place
for many players on the market of energy and it is not about competition
but coopetition
Peter
On Sat, Jun 1, 2013 at 2:27 PM, Vorl Bek vorl@antichef.com wrote:
On Sat, 1 Jun 2013 06:52:44 -0400
Ron Kita chiralex.k...@gmail.com wrote:
Jed wrote: No, it was their idea.
How do you know that? And in case this is one of those oh well, they didn't
say so but to me it sounds obvious that... assumptions of yours: why on earth
would anybody who has to write a paper like that bind their own hands behind
their backs with such a
Josh, once you understand how the ECAT uses heat for control you will realize
that the heat can not be applied continuously. Please take time to study what
I have been and am currently writing so that you will not keep making this
statement when it is not accurate.
Remember, continuous heat
It has been apparent to me for a long time that DGT uses a different method for
generation of heat than does Rossi. Both techniques appear to work.
The main question is whether or not one of the processes has a significantly
long life span before internal damage makes it require maintenance.
OK, David I have the impression you are an experienced
man, what else can be done than testing the duration, solve
the material problems, and improve the system? And this was done
and will be continued in the professional way. Est modus in rebus.
Peter
On Sat, Jun 1, 2013 at 4:15 PM, David
From: Joshua Cude
Eric Walker wrote:
the analogy only goes so far, in that it is harder in Rossi's case to
recapture the heat and channel it back into the secondary source.
But the ecat just uses electricity to make heat. So if the ecat already
makes heat, it should self-sustain on
On Sat, Jun 1, 2013 at 3:51 AM, Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com wrote:
No, you don't. Plenty of ICEs (outboards, motorcycles) run without
batteries. Car engines would run without batteries too, unless they use
some kind of electronic fault detection that shuts it down without a
battery. But
On Sat, Jun 1, 2013 at 6:57 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
But the ecat just uses electricity to make heat. So if the ecat already
makes heat, it should self-sustain on that. Like combustion.
** **
An ICE is self-sustaining. The ecat needs external power. They're
I do not understand why this is in image format, but anyway, it says:
[Defkalion] will present a paper on July 21-27 International Conference on
Condensed Matter Nuclear Science at the University of Missouri and are
strongly considering presenting audiovisual material during the August 5-8
Vorl Bek vorl@antichef.com wrote:
No crazy apply more heat to make it stop nonsense.
Why is this nonsense?
- Jed
On 2013-06-01 16:20, Jed Rothwell wrote:
I heard rumors that they were going to have an actual demonstration at
the NI conference. Their previous presentations and audiovisual material
has not been impressive in my opinion. Perhaps I missed something, but
as far as I know they have not
On Sat, 1 Jun 2013 10:28:03 -0400
Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Vorl Bek vorl@antichef.com wrote:
No crazy apply more heat to make it stop nonsense.
Why is this nonsense?
I don't have the eloquence to explain, but if you ask over at
moletrap.co.uk, or
From Peter:
I have just published:
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2013/05/jeane-manning-writes-about-defkalion
.html
The Canadian New Energy writer Jeane Manning discovers and describes
the new paradigm of LENR+ - and I am also trying to describe LENR+
for you, inviting you to
Vorl Bek vorl@antichef.com wrote:
Why is this nonsense?
I don't have the eloquence to explain, but if you ask over at
moletrap.co.uk, or wavewatching.net/fringe, they can clear it up
for you.
Where, specifically, in wavewatching.net? They reference Krivit, who is not
a credible
Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com wrote:
That wasn't a rumor, it's what Xanthoulis supposedly told to Sterling
Allan a couple months ago:
Ah, thanks. You do a good job of keeping track of things!
There could have been a misunderstanding regarding this, however.
I suppose it is
In the category of truth is stranger than fiction here is an amazing story
of impersonation on several levels
http://trib.com/news/state-and-regional/wyoming-teen-who-built-fusion-reacto
r-disqualified-from-science-fair/article_15dda5ab-b68e-5fa7-a13f-7b30d22f850
f.html
A Wyoming high school
On Sat, 1 Jun 2013 10:50:12 -0400
Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Vorl Bek vorl@antichef.com wrote:
Why is this nonsense?
I don't have the eloquence to explain, but if you ask over at
moletrap.co.uk, or wavewatching.net/fringe, they can clear it up
for you.
What is nonsense here is the idea that Defkalion came up with a technology
independent of Rossi. It seems the plausibilities are that Defkalion has:
- nothing because Rossi has nothing.
- nothing because their attempt to replicate Rossi was a failure.
- something because their attempt
Peter,
You have done an excellent job of listing the main issues that will need
attention. At this point we do not have sufficient information about the
actual processes occurring and a good theory of how the energy is released.
Until that occurs it will take a lot of empirical testing
the only new point I notice is that
- they rent a lab in University of BC
- they think about audio visual material for NIWeek2013...
- I was enthusiastic about the demo, and if it is only video it is less
an event
it confirm the paper for iccf18
2013/6/1 Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com
My
Dear Steven,
Yes, the things are REALLY very different from
what we have believed so many years.
Please try to put flesh on the LENR+ skeleton.
Very few colleagues will enjoy this and in order
to get Useful LENR, many of our most sacred
idea cows will go to the scientific slaughterhouse.
You well
There is another one: Rossi failed until now to achieve either reliable
control of the ecat at 6COP or the means to do it whenever he wants and
DGTG succeed..
2013/6/1 James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com
What is nonsense here is the idea that Defkalion came up with a technology
independent of
it will be a demo, do not worry
Peter
On Sat, Jun 1, 2013 at 6:22 PM, Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com wrote:
the only new point I notice is that
- they rent a lab in University of BC
- they think about audio visual material for NIWeek2013...
- I was enthusiastic about the demo, and if
2013/6/1 Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com
Nothing against Elforsk or NI, but is there a recent example of a
revolution in science that was adopted first by instrument makers and
energy companies. And interest from NI is not surprising; it's a potential
market.
What was the industry of
Jones, please do not confuse hot fusion with cold fusion. The
difference is in the products. Cold fusion does not produce neutrons
and energetic radiation. Hot fusion produce neutrons and radiation
because the conditions require the nuclear product to fragment. This
fragmentation does not
Dear Dave,
Let the facts speak, I think we cannot compare and or judge
such new technologies when we (you and I) have so lmited
information about those technologies. Let's Rossi and DGT
develop their generators. In my terminology both are on
the way from enhanced excess heat to a controlled
You must be kidding! Those guys do not have a clue and anyone that follows
that non sense is being fooled. The group at moletrap has a hobby of trying to
debunk anything that they do not understand. You should have realized by now
that these clowns can not admit when they are shown in error
Applying more heat to make it stop is not what he does. He ceases to apply the
excess drive heat to make it stop. This is 180 degrees different. The extra
drive power to the resistors is added to the internal power during the time the
device is heating up and hence gaining temperature.
-Original Message-
From: Edmund Storms
Jones, please do not confuse hot fusion with cold fusion. The difference
is in the products.
Not necessarily. Perhaps that is your definition, but as I stated - the
Farnsworth Fusor is LENR on the input side. Same with sonofusion - it is the
A document HIGH TEMPERATURE E-CAT MODULE Test of July 16th can be viewed
here:
http://coldfusionnow.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/105322688-Penon4-1.pdf
Unlike the paper of Levi et al., it doesn't appear to have been prepared for
the research community, but is perhaps meant as an internal
The moletrap people are certainly, most of them, emotionally
adolescent, self-congratulatory clowns, but they seem
knowledgeable about this stuff, so even their sneering opinions
might be worth considering.
I am sure they would be as happy as you are to see lenr cars,
hot-water heaters,
Dear Peter,
I agree with you that all the parties developing products need time to enhance
their performance. You asked for my opinion so I gave you my best guess of the
current situation. There is little doubt that my crystal ball can use polish.
No one can know what will eventually arise
Vorl,
They do not understand this type of product at all. They believe that the
entire concept of LENR is not possible so they attack. This is not the
behavior of a true skeptic who at least will give consideration to what the
proponents of the concept say.
Cude and the others of this
Don't think I have Microsim pspice lying around anywhere anymore (and
non-GUI is very slow and clumsy if not using it frequently), it was an
excellent little tool (or was in late 90's when I used it last) that I
spent 100's of hours with, and is useful even for the amateur, probably
still out
We are taking about two different phenomenon of nature. Trying to use
the same concepts and words to describe both results in confusion.
Those of us who have studied cold fusion for the last 23 years have a
definition of CF that is not up for discussion. Please try to
understand what I'm
Let me make a suggestion Robert. The linear technology company publishes a
spice program that can be downloaded and used by the general public. This is a
fantastic offering and I have found it extremely accurate. Anyone who has an
interest in electronic modeling would be well advised to get
On Jun 1, 2013, at 8:57, Vorl Bek vorl@antichef.com wrote:
The moletrap people ... seem
knowledgeable about this stuff, so even their sneering opinions
might be worth considering.
I agree. I think they have many interesting points to make.
I just wish discussing things with them was
Joshua:
I have keyed up on your sneering in the past, so it is only right that I
point out that your skepticism on this post is quite healthy and, with the
cheese analogy, even interesting to read. Once you drop the sneering, you
bring value to Vortex.
The next thing to learn is the difference
I showed Joshua Cude an experiment using Nanoplasmonic processes that
changed the alpha particle emission half-life of U232 form 69 years to 6
microseconds.
From his post, I conclude that either Cude is not intellectually honest in
that he does not let facts or experiments get in the way of his
I thought we agreed to call Muon assisted fusion warm fusion.
On Sat, Jun 1, 2013 at 12:25 PM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
We are taking about two different phenomenon of nature. Trying to use the
same concepts and words to describe both results in confusion. Those of us
who
-Original Message-
From: Edmund Storms
We are taking about two different phenomenon of nature. Trying to use
the same concepts and words to describe both results in confusion.
Those of us who have studied cold fusion for the last 23 years have a
definition of CF that is not up for
You can call it what you want. Jones called the muon reaction cold
fusion before he applied the term was applied to the F-P effect.
Nevertheless, the products are those that result from hot fusion, i.e.
equal amounts of neutron and tritium that result from fragmentation of
the resulting
On Jun 1, 2013, at 11:16 AM, Jones Beene wrote:
-Original Message-
From: Edmund Storms
We are taking about two different phenomenon of nature. Trying to use
the same concepts and words to describe both results in confusion.
Those of us who have studied cold fusion for the last 23
Axil,
I missed that post. Can you repost the reference.
Does it have any relationship with the following arxiv.org paper that
might be relevant in plasmons?
New Enhanced Tunneling in Nuclear Processes
http://arxiv.org/abs/nucl-th/0307012
ABSTRACT:
The small sub-barrier tunneling probability
Did you see this recent post as follows:
===
If you remember this thread as follows:
* *
Entangled proton pairs show enhanced tunneling – 1/31/12
Why do entangled proton pairs pass through the coulomb barrier of a heavy
element nucleus with high probability in
The central dilemma at the very heart of LENR is what causes nuclear
reactions at low energy levels.
What causes the nuclei of most elements to fall apart and reassemble their
subatomic parts in new ways?
Two new papers dealing with the nature and workings of the vacuum lend
insight into the
This is the post you wanted to see as follows:
=
See references:
http://www.google.com/url?sa=trct=jq=esrc=sfrm=1;
source=webcd=1cad=rjasqi=2ved=0CC4QFjAAurl=http%3A%2F%
2Farxiv.org%2Fpdf%2F1112.6276ei=nI6UUeG1Fq-N0QGypIAgusg=AFQjCNFB59F1wkDv-
-Original Message-
From: Edmund Storms
The Mills effect is a different phenomenon all together. His effect is not
nuclear, as he admits.
Yes, but that is not relevant to understanding Rossi. Many other
researchers, including Miley have incorporated major parts of Mills theory
into a
Sterling put together a handy compilation of recent mass media articles,
and claims:
http://pesn.com/2013/05/30/9602324_LENR-to-Market_Weekly_May30/
He also advocates signing this petition:
Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
Bianchini finds zero radiation over hundreds of hours of careful radiation
testing.
Most cold fusion experiments produce no measurable radiation over hundreds
of hours, including Pd-D ones.
Essen finds no radioactivity in the ash. No excess deuterium
Peter,
If it will be a real demo why didn't she write that?
I listened to Sterling Allan's audio interview from two months ago and the
representative from Defkalion stated quite clearly
that they intended to set up working device at National Instruments Week
this august. Perhaps
Defkalion is no
It takes two to tango. maybe the NI people did not take kindly to the idea.
Such a demo would be a major distraction from the other things that NI want
to do at their show.
Just think if you invite Elvis or Bill Clinton to your party, you may not
receive the personal attention form the other
This is the post you wanted to see as follows:
=
See references:
Interesting paper.
I've only perused it, but it may be that eigenstates of unstable atoms are
sometimes dramatically shifted in these environments
- deep potential wells can become much shallower
Alan Fletcher a...@well.com wrote:
That was the Italian wiki.
There is an article in English:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrea_Rossi_(entrepreneur)
It is linked to an Italian one, which is gone, as you say.
- Jed
From: Robert Lynn robert.gulliver.l...@gmail.com
Sent: Saturday, June 1, 2013 9:14:06 AM
Don't think I have Microsim pspice lying around anywhere anymore (and
non-GUI is very slow and clumsy if not using it frequently), it was
an excellent little tool (or was in late 90's when I used it
From: David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com
Sent: Saturday, June 1, 2013 9:28:13 AM
Let me make a suggestion Robert. The linear technology company
publishes a spice program that can be downloaded and used by the
general public.
That's the LTspice I just recommended.
Charles, a week before they started the test in december 2012 (dec. 7 to
dec. 17, testing: december 13 to 17), on november 20, they did the same.
The reactor was supplied that day by a AC tension of 147 V, and current was
24 to 25 A. Power is then 3.5 to 3.6 kW. The two resistors were connected
in
I know this email list is for discussing alternative and unconventional
power sources, but sometimes it can be useful to look back at some
conventional projects (which went nowhere), and see how the press handled the
news.
55 years ago Britain was going to save the world:
Why do entangled proton pairs pass through the coulomb barrier of a heavy
element nucleus with high probability in collisions with energies well below
those required to breach this barrier?
Those who have been hangin' out in the Dime Box Saloon for a few years know
of my descriptions of
From: Jed Rothwell wrote:
Bianchini finds zero radiation over hundreds of hours of careful radiation
testing.
Most cold fusion experiments produce no measurable radiation over hundreds
of hours, including Pd-D ones.
Most cold fusion experiments have been milliwatt level and do
Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
Most cold fusion experiments have been milliwatt level and do not use the
very sophisticated setup of Bianchini . . .
Fleischmann and Pons ran hundreds of tests with boiling cells, at 20 to 100
W. They has sophisticated detectors. They found nothing as
Jed wrote:
I do not understand what you are saying here. Are you saying that Rossi was
present? Or that that he interfered with the experiment?
I do not think that Levi or his co-authors has said that Rossi was absent.
Only that he played no role in the testing, and he did not touch the
On Sat, Jun 1, 2013 at 2:02 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
The ultimate source of energy cannot be determined as of now but Rossi’s
hundreds of hours of operation at kilowatt levels with no gammas clearly
indicates NO fusion.
I don't exclude the possibility that there's
On Sat, Jun 1, 2013 at 6:02 AM, Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com wrote:
The simple fact is that the measurements made and reported are woefully
inadequate to exclude deception.
Unless Rossi tells people how to build an ecat or starts selling them, no
test will ever exclude deception.
It
I checked it: I made an error. 147 V / 24 A were used in the test you
mentioned, in august 2012, not november 20 in 2013.
Eric,
I have dined on crow before and prefer mine well-charred with a nice Pinot Noir…
The ultimate source of energy cannot be determined as of now but Rossi’s
hundreds of hours of operation at kilowatt levels with no gammas clearly
indicates NO fusion.
I don't exclude the
Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote:
Likewise if the testers concluded that the ecat did not work, the true
believers will reject the assessment
because they consider the testers untrustworthy.
There have been several failed tests, such as the one NASA did. I do not
know anyone who
On Sat, Jun 1, 2013 at 6:36 AM, Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com wrote:
Skeptics would change their minds in a heart beat with good evidence, just
as they did in 1908. But there is nothing that will convince true believers
in cold fusion that they are wrong.
You should persuade the
Cude wrote:
The simple fact is that the measurements made and reported are woefully
inadequate to exclude deception.
That is not a simple fact. It is an imaginary fact, like all of Cude's
statements about McKubre. He says things and then assumes they are correct,
but saying does not make it
Apparently there's two threads of thought here:
a: Apply heat to make the process start, and more heat to take it to a
higher cop. Stop the heat (or increase cooling) to bring the process
back from cascade and ruin. This one seems to describe what Rossi has,
and what Dave Roberson is
On Sat, Jun 1, 2013 at 5:40 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote:
Likewise if the testers concluded that the ecat did not work, the true
believers will reject the assessment
because they consider the testers untrustworthy.
There have been
On Sat, Jun 1, 2013 at 3:36 AM, Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com wrote:
It should be as demonstrable as the Wright's 1908 flight, which converted
all serious skeptics long before commercial flight. There are plenty of
anomalies that were accepted instantly because the evidence was strong.
Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
Ockham be damned ! Don’t forget that appeals to “parsimony” were used by
skeptics to argue the wrong side of many past issues - against DNA for
instance, as the carrier of genetic information. . . .
It is a rule of thumb, not a law of physics.
. . .
On Sat, Jun 1, 2013 at 5:33 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
I have dined on crow before and prefer mine well-charred with a nice Pinot
Noir…
Foul! Fowl demands a white, say chardonnay,
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Sat, 1 Jun 2013 14:33:22 -0700:
Hi,
[snip]
Eric,
I have dined on crow before and prefer mine well-charred with a nice Pinot
Noir
The ultimate source of energy cannot be determined as of now but Rossis
hundreds of hours of operation at kilowatt
Does anyone know if the power analyzer sees DC *VOLTAGES*?
--
Berke Durak
-Original Message-
From: mix...@bigpond.com
Hi Robin,
The H2 is of course f/H molecules.
Still three body reactions - no way
Nevertheless, I suspect that indeed the primary source of energy in his
reactor is the formation of f/H.
Yup. By a large factor.
There is actually an easy
On Sat, Jun 1, 2013 at 5:10 PM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Jun 1, 2013 at 2:02 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
The ultimate source of energy cannot be determined as of now but
Rossi’s hundreds of hours of operation at kilowatt levels with no gammas
clearly
Extra heat in the form of thermal pulse might disrupt a resonance that was
enabling the production excess heat.
Harry
On Sat, Jun 1, 2013 at 5:56 PM, David L Babcock ol...@rochester.rr.comwrote:
Apparently there's two threads of thought here:
a: Apply heat to make the process start,
I asked George X if they were going to present at ICCF and demo at NI Week.
[I have leased a booth at NI Week (under the name of Neo-Coulombic) and I have
not seen the Defkalion company name on the exhibitor list.
https://niweek2013.activeevents.com/connect/search.ww ]
The answer I got back
From: Claudio C Fiorini claudio.c.fior...@gmail.com
Sent: Saturday, June 1, 2013 2:20:48 PM
I checked it: I made an error. 147 V / 24 A were used in the test you
mentioned, in august 2012, not november 20 in 2013.
Phew! For a minute I thought Rossi had mastered time travel.
That would
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