Re: [Vo]:MFMP on a possible independent report of DGT's Hyperion

2013-08-05 Thread Kevin O'Malley
> To give another dramatic example, suppose at 1:00 pm on the afternoon of > December 17, 1903, you were take a poll about whether man can fly. ***A better contract would be that an independent scientific journal (to wit, eventually it was a beekeeping journal) would publish an article about the Wr

Re: [Vo]:MFMP on a possible independent report of DGT's Hyperion

2013-08-05 Thread Kevin O'Malley
The discussion is about the "value of prediction markets". It is not a bet on human nature, because as you have saidm "It is reasonable to bet that people will act in a sane way, because in most cases they do. Civilization would not work otherwise." Human nature is not the variable in this bet. T

Re: [Vo]:MFMP on a possible independent report of DGT's Hyperion

2013-08-05 Thread Jed Rothwell
Kevin O'Malley wrote: > The fact that editors in the past had overcome their own internal > objections on a few rare LENR developments in the past would indicate this > was a rational bet, but not necessarily a guaranteed one. > Sure, I agree. It is reasonable to bet that people will act in a s

Re: [Vo]:MFMP on a possible independent report of DGT's Hyperion

2013-08-05 Thread Kevin O'Malley
On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 7:55 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: On the contrary, that outcome depends on the opinions of the journal editors. Many fine experiments are not replicated because people will not fund them, or they are not published because the editors are biased. ***Ok, that seems reasonable enou

Re: [Vo]:MFMP on a possible independent report of DGT's Hyperion

2013-08-05 Thread Jed Rothwell
Kevin O'Malley wrote: > Sorry, but I still say this is a mechanism to measure people's opinions, > or their feelings. > ***No, it is NOT. When I put up the contract for whether or not Dr. > Arata's experiment would be replicated in a peer reviewed journal, it had > zero to do with people's opin

Re: [Vo]:MFMP on a possible independent report of DGT's Hyperion

2013-08-05 Thread Kevin O'Malley
On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 6:12 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: . . Sorry, but I still say this is a mechanism to measure people's opinions, or their feelings. ***No, it is NOT. When I put up the contract for whether or not Dr. Arata's experiment would be replicated in a peer reviewed journal, it had zero t

Re: [Vo]:Test to show LENR?

2013-08-05 Thread Eric Walker
On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 8:19 AM, Stefan Israelsson Tampe < stefan.ita...@gmail.com> wrote: It would be nice to get some statistics out of that, any links? > Although this is a reasonable request, there are two difficulties in addressing it. The first is that the experiments span a range of qualit

Re: [Vo]:LENR-CANR.org hacked with weakness in WordPress

2013-08-05 Thread Jed Rothwell
The nitwits at Jumpline.com just now restored a copy of the website made after the hacker messed things up. They did not look at the paperwork I guess. They did not realize that a backup was restored on Sunday and the problem was fixed. I hope they have the previous backup. Otherwise I shall have t

Re: [Vo]:MFMP on a possible independent report of DGT's Hyperion

2013-08-05 Thread Jed Rothwell
Kevin O'Malley wrote: > > I think prediction markets actually CAN be useful to "confirm or deny > assertions about scientific or engineering", . . . > Sorry, but I still say this is a mechanism to measure people's opinions, or their feelings. Opinions and feelings have no bearing on experimental

Re: [Vo]:MFMP on a possible independent report of DGT's Hyperion

2013-08-05 Thread Kevin O'Malley
Jed, I think prediction markets actually CAN be useful to "confirm or deny assertions about scientific or engineering", and my article about "How I Made Money in Cold Fusion" is precisely aimed at that. If I had been given the 2nd contract aimed at the replication of Dr. Mossier-Boss's triple trac

[Vo]:Re: [Vo]:OT: World's first! CYPRUS: President announces “Guaranteed Minimum Income” program

2013-08-05 Thread James Bowery
Means testing is the camel's nose in the public sector rent-seeking tent. However, what they are doing is completely understandable given that they are trying to maintain public sector rent seeking in an economic environment that would normally result in populist uprising kicking out all immigrant

Re: [Vo]:Info for Luca Gamberale (CTO Defkalion Europe)

2013-08-05 Thread Alan Fletcher
> From: mix...@bigpond.com > Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 3:19:12 PM > >m = Q / ( c * dT) = 79.2 * 10^3 / ( 4.186 * 25 ) = 79200 / 104.65 = > >756.8 kg/h = 12.6 kg/MINUTE <=== not seconds > > > >which is close to what I used. > > 756.8 kg/hr = 0.21 kg/sec (you forgot to divide by 60 to convert

[Vo]:OT: World's first! CYPRUS: President announces “Guaranteed Minimum Income” program

2013-08-05 Thread H Veeder
CYPRUS: President announces “Guaranteed Minimum Income” program http://binews.org/2013/08/cyprus-president-announces-%E2%80%9Cguaranteed-minimum-income%E2%80%9D-program The president of Cyprus, Nicos Anastasiades, has announced the creation of a “Guaranteed Minimum Income” for all citizens. The p

Re: [Vo]:Test to show LENR?

2013-08-05 Thread Alain Sepeda
yes, and seeing the story of LENR compared to other extraordinary claims, I think that the problem of LENr is that it requires much intelligence, competence, trust in instruments, in computation, in good protocol, that it is too easy for a lazy mind (like me sometime) to quickly conclude that it is

Re: [Vo]:Info for Luca Gamberale (CTO Defkalion Europe)

2013-08-05 Thread mixent
In reply to Alan Fletcher's message of Mon, 5 Aug 2013 13:32:46 -0700 (PDT): Hi, [snip] >> From: "David Roberson" >> Sent: Sunday, August 4, 2013 11:42:35 PM > >> Alan, I made a calculation of the output flow rate that came out much >> higher than the value you have shown here. Is it possible for

Re: [Vo]:Info for Luca Gamberale (CTO Defkalion Europe)

2013-08-05 Thread Alan Fletcher
> From: "David Roberson" > Sent: Sunday, August 4, 2013 11:42:35 PM > Alan, I made a calculation of the output flow rate that came out much > higher than the value you have shown here. Is it possible for you to > recheck your calculation? I will do the same. Q = Total power = 22 kWh = 79.2 * 10^

Re: [Vo]:Yum

2013-08-05 Thread Terry Blanton
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-204_162-57583786/the-secret-to-long-life-bacon-says-105-year-old/ Pearl Cantrell, a centenarian from Abilene, Texas, attributes her longevity to thin, fried strips of pork. "I love bacon, I eat it everyday," Cantrell told KRBC. The mother of seven just celebrated her

Re: [Vo]:Yum

2013-08-05 Thread Jed Rothwell
Daniel Rocha wrote: Large crops, specially those with high protein content, like Soy, have > tight pest control. That means, killing a lot of animals. Would they eat > that? > Good point. This problem will be eliminated with indoor food factories. They just opened a food factory in Fukushima p

[Vo]:OT: World's first! CYPRUS: President announces “Guaranteed Minimum Income” program

2013-08-05 Thread H Veeder
CYPRUS: President announces “Guaranteed Minimum Income” program http://binews.org/2013/08/cyprus-president-announces-%E2%80%9Cguaranteed-minimum-income%E2%80%9D-program The president of Cyprus, Nicos Anastasiades, has announced the creation of a “Guaranteed Minimum Income” for all citizens. The

RE: [Vo]:Yum

2013-08-05 Thread Jones Beene
From: Jed Rothwell blaze spinnaker wrote: Second, cooked red meat is pretty bad for you.. I doubt that it is bad for you in moderation. People have been eating it for hundreds of thousands of years. There are past statistical studies, which are often warped by failing to exclu

Re: [Vo]:Test to show LENR?

2013-08-05 Thread Eric Walker
On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 8:19 AM, Stefan Israelsson Tampe < stefan.ita...@gmail.com> wrote: Tell me if I'm spaming ... > Not in the slightest. You seem to know something about statistics. I hope you will be very critical and complain about any mistaken reasoning you see. There are many electrica

Re: [Vo]:Test to show LENR?

2013-08-05 Thread Jed Rothwell
Stefan Israelsson Tampe wrote: > My take on this is that 'unusual method' depends a bit on the standard > practices in a field of science. If for example it is "easy" to perform a > test with good enough energy surplus, then we only need to supply the > numbers like, take every 10th specimen in

Re: [Vo]:Test to show LENR?

2013-08-05 Thread Stefan Israelsson Tampe
On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 8:24 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Alain Sepeda wrote: > > I think that comparative calorimetry is not accpetable, not needed, given >> the hysteric level of skepticism and the high COP. >> > > I agree, but you do need a good calibration before and after the test. I > suppose

Re: [Vo]:Test to show LENR?

2013-08-05 Thread Stefan Israelsson Tampe
On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 8:00 PM, Alain Sepeda wrote: > I think that comparative calorimetry is not accpetable, not needed, given > the hysteric level of skepticism and the high COP. > > Absolute measurement of heat, not even with blank, should be the only and > best solution. > > no hysterical ske

Re: [Vo]:Test to show LENR?

2013-08-05 Thread Jed Rothwell
Alain Sepeda wrote: I think that comparative calorimetry is not accpetable, not needed, given > the hysteric level of skepticism and the high COP. > I agree, but you do need a good calibration before and after the test. I suppose that amounts to the same thing as comparative calorimetry. It is

RE: [Vo]:Yum

2013-08-05 Thread Hoyt A. Stearns Jr.
From: Jed Rothwell [mailto:jedrothw...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 10:41 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Yum blaze spinnaker wrote: Second, cooked red meat is pretty bad for you.. I doubt that it is bad for you in moderation. People have been eating it f

Re: [Vo]:Test to show LENR?

2013-08-05 Thread Alain Sepeda
I think that comparative calorimetry is not accpetable, not needed, given the hysteric level of skepticism and the high COP. Absolute measurement of heat, not even with blank, should be the only and best solution. no hysterical skeptic will assume the blank is sincere, ... even the absolute heat

Re: [Vo]:Yum

2013-08-05 Thread Jed Rothwell
blaze spinnaker wrote: Second, cooked red meat is pretty bad for you.. > I doubt that it is bad for you in moderation. People have been eating it for hundreds of thousands of years. Before that we ate uncooked red meat for millions of years, and wa-a-a-y before that we were insectivores. People

[Vo]:Rice lab mimics Jupiter’s Trojan asteroids inside a single atom

2013-08-05 Thread David ledin
Rice University physicists have gone to extremes to prove that Isaac Newton’s classical laws of motion can apply in the atomic world: They’ve built an accurate model of part of the solar system inside a single atom of potassium. In a new paper published this week in Physical Review Letters, Rice’s

Re: [Vo]:ICCF18 Kim Slides

2013-08-05 Thread David Roberson
Guys, I have a question that I would like for you to answer. You speak of a balance between classical radiation and some zero point balancing act as the reason that the electron remains in an orbit around the central proton in hydrogen without radiation. In most, if not all of the systems that

Re: [Vo]:Test to show LENR?

2013-08-05 Thread Stefan Israelsson Tampe
Tell me if I'm spaming ... On Sun, Aug 4, 2013 at 11:49 PM, Eric Walker wrote: > On Sun, Aug 4, 2013 at 2:33 PM, Stefan Israelsson Tampe < > stefan.ita...@gmail.com> wrote: > > >> But I would like to keep the discussion to the original FP experiment. >> > > Ah, yes. Sounds good. It seems yo

Re: [Vo]:Yum

2013-08-05 Thread Daniel Rocha
Large crops, specially those with high protein content, like Soy, have tight pest control. That means, killing a lot of animals. Would they eat that? The same is true, to a varied extent, to any kind of vegetables. -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com

Re: [Vo]:Yum

2013-08-05 Thread blaze spinnaker
Very few Vegans would. For one, once you go vegan, you lose your taste for meat. So not much desire in the first place. Second, cooked red meat is pretty bad for you.. Finally - Vegans dislike GMO vegetables. I'm sure they'd feel the same way about this. On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 8:05 AM, Jed R

Re: [Vo]:Yum

2013-08-05 Thread Daniel Rocha
Would vagans eat sponges? They do not have nerve system. -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com

Re: [Vo]:Yum

2013-08-05 Thread Jed Rothwell
Daniel Rocha wrote: Will vegans eat that meat? > They will have to decide. I do not see why they wouldn't eat this. I see no moral issues or ambiguity in it. I think the reason most people are vegans is to eliminate cruelty to animals. This technique accomplishes that. Some people are vegetari

Re: [Vo]:Yum

2013-08-05 Thread Teslaalset
Yet another Dutch food technology ;) On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 4:55 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Follow-up: > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-23576143 > > - Jed

Re: [Vo]:ICCF18 Kim Slides

2013-08-05 Thread ChemE Stewart
Francis, I basically agree. It also makes sense to me the time standard is an atomic clock. My sense is that "time" in our dimensions is really just the decay rate due to those particles popping in/out of the vacuum field, triggering low level ionization and decay in our 3 dimensions. Rossi/DG

Re: [Vo]:Yum

2013-08-05 Thread Jed Rothwell
Follow-up: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-23576143 - Jed

Re: [Vo]:Yum

2013-08-05 Thread Daniel Rocha
Will vegans eat that meat? 2013/8/5 Jed Rothwell > Daniel Rocha wrote: > > Link does not work. >> > > Try: > > > http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/lab-grown-burger-live-stream-worlds-2126851 > > Oh brave new world! > > - Jed > > -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com

Re: [Vo]:Yum

2013-08-05 Thread Jed Rothwell
Daniel Rocha wrote: Link does not work. > Try: http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/lab-grown-burger-live-stream-worlds-2126851 Oh brave new world! - Jed

Re: [Vo]:Yum

2013-08-05 Thread Daniel Rocha
Link does not work. 2013/8/5 Jones Beene > > http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/lab-grown-burger-live-stream-worlds-212 > 6851 > > as predicted for the Brave New World ... using LENR power > > http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/RothwellJcoldfusiona.pdf > > ... please do not "supersize" my burger

[Vo]:Yum

2013-08-05 Thread Jones Beene
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/lab-grown-burger-live-stream-worlds-212 6851 as predicted for the Brave New World ... using LENR power http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/RothwellJcoldfusiona.pdf ... please do not "supersize" my burger :-) <>

Re: [Vo]:Test to show LENR?

2013-08-05 Thread Stefan Israelsson Tampe
On Sun, Aug 4, 2013 at 11:41 PM, Alain Sepeda wrote: > it seems National instruments asked such doublinded test in 2012, > according to the conference of Concezz in Rome (and Brussels)... > Do you have any better links, I find this test interesting a.t.m. Of cause when the risk of fraud and ugly

RE: [Vo]:LENR-CANR.org hacked with weakness in WordPress

2013-08-05 Thread Jones Beene
-Original Message- From: Terry Blanton Stewart wrote: > Do you mean that somebody tried to steal the secrets of cold fusion? That > would make a good movie...:) http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120053 Actually it was pretty lame but I liked Shue. Life imitates art: http://www.nyteknik.s

Re: [Vo]:LENR-CANR.org hacked with weakness in WordPress

2013-08-05 Thread Jed Rothwell
You wrote: > Do you mean your hosting service, or, ISP? Or, are they the same? > > Can you tell me the name of your service? > Jumpline.com - Jed

RE: [Vo]:ICCF18 Kim Slides

2013-08-05 Thread Roarty, Francis X
Mark, Just finished Puthoff’s 2012 paper and although I like his conclusion below I still feel he is avoiding giving credit to the creation and annihilation of pairs as powering all atomic and subatomic motion, he refers to a “balance” between photon emission and ZP absorption but appears to b

Re: [Vo]:LENR-CANR.org hacked with weakness in WordPress

2013-08-05 Thread Terry Blanton
On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 8:11 AM, ChemE Stewart wrote: > Jed, > > Do you mean that somebody tried to steal the secrets of cold fusion? That > would make a good movie...:) http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120053 Actually it was pretty lame but I liked Shue.

Re: [Vo]:LENR-CANR.org hacked with weakness in WordPress

2013-08-05 Thread ChemE Stewart
Jed, Do you mean that somebody tried to steal the secrets of cold fusion? That would make a good movie...:) On Sun, Aug 4, 2013 at 5:55 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Some idiot tried to hack LENR-CANR.org. When you accessed the indexes it > displayed this message: > > HACKED_kutsaL'@'localhost' (

Re: [Vo]:Test to show LENR?

2013-08-05 Thread Roarty, Francis X
I think the rate of new demos and infrastructure will soon uncover the smoking gun, The cork is off the bottle and the genie is already making its presence known in more and more labs.. give it a few more months and a couple more competitors to announce their claims.. it is the nature of competi

Re: [Vo]:LENR-CANR.org hacked with weakness in WordPress

2013-08-05 Thread Michele Comitini
Check also that the PHP version installed is latest stable, else have the hosting provider fix it! mic 2013/8/4 Jed Rothwell > Some idiot tried to hack LENR-CANR.org. When you accessed the indexes it > displayed this message: > > HACKED_kutsaL'@'localhost' (using password: YES) > > This string