Re: [Vo]:Engineering and materials issues with high temperature hot-cat Lugano demo

Another way to approach analysis is to take the report results as a given and envision how the reactor would need to be configured and junction to provide those results. On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 11:43 PM, Robert Lynn < robert.gulliver.l...@gmail.com> wrote: > 1% lithium in 1g fuel, so 0.01g, boils

Re: [Vo]:Air Flow Calorimetry

well i can differentiate between the heat coming from a 700W or 2100 W hot airheater (with a blower) by sensing the temperature difference . I think it can be measured much more accurately with temperature sensors and exact flow measurements. When there is a difference of a factor 3 between the

Re: [Vo]:Engineering and materials issues with high temperature hot-cat Lugano demo

On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 8:43 PM, Robert Lynn wrote: ... eg if Ø20mm outer wall is at 1200°C (approx max given revised COP of > around 2 from temp reading that is obviously in error due to non-melting of > inconel, though could be significantly lower) > I've taken a second look at the TIP report,

Re: [Vo]:What's the best current citation for this?

I went with Oriani's paper with the nauseating context of Nature's rejection on the basis that it violates theory, and then followed up with Storms's "Status of Cold Fusion (2010) " On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 10:57 PM, James

Re: [Vo]:Rossi patent status

On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 5:55 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: >From David French: > > http://coldfusionnow.org/status-report-rossi-pending-us-patent-application/ > David French's analyses are great. The clear lesson in this instance: if you're going to try to patent something, enlist the help of a good

[Vo]:E-cat Lugano demo probably had no output.

Appears that there was an inner reactor vessel wrapped with helical resistance wires (hence shadows) from size of wires and necessary wall thicknesses this vessel is likely around 12mm diameter. Inner wall area of outer finned tube about Ø18mm, 0.2m long .0113m² Inconel metal resistance wires ca

Re: [Vo]:Incandescence is the wrong color

On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 11:43 PM, David Roberson wrote: > I refer to the opposite effect in this case Harry. In other words, can > the color appear to be too dark in the visual region to our eyes compared > to the emission of thermal energy in the IR. > > Are there surfaces that are very poor em

Re: [Vo]:Incandescence is the wrong color

like the reddish glow discharge from a lithium plasma in an alumina vessel that is partially transparent to IR? On 13 October 2014 11:43, David Roberson wrote: > I refer to the opposite effect in this case Harry. In other words, can > the color appear to be too dark in the visual region to our

[Vo]:What's the best current citation for this?

Re:The Real Criminals: The APS (Score:0 ) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 12, 2014 @07:21PM (#48127123 ) Its really

Re: [Vo]:Air Flow Calorimetry

a tall well insulated chimney would sort that out, and flow velocity (and hence mass flow) in chimney can be accurately inferred from temperature given column pressure differential caused by air density difference. Calorimetry with just two thermocouples to measure inlet and outlet air temps! On 1

Re: [Vo]:Incandescence is the wrong color

I refer to the opposite effect in this case Harry. In other words, can the color appear to be too dark in the visual region to our eyes compared to the emission of thermal energy in the IR. Are there surfaces that are very poor emitters of energy in the visual region that behave more like a bl

Re: [Vo]:Engineering and materials issues with high temperature hot-cat Lugano demo

1% lithium in 1g fuel, so 0.01g, boils at 1342°C. At 1 bar,1342°C would fill about 180mL volume, reactor volume probably about 30-50mL so will be filled with lithium gas under pressure - operating as a heat-pipe to equalise pressure. I have just realised that we can probably infer the existence of

Re: [Vo]:Incandescence is the wrong color

what is the other direction? (I am having hard time following the flow of thought in this particular thread) harry On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 10:31 PM, David Roberson wrote: > How does the emissivity of the alumina effect the optical appearance with > regard to color? Is it possible for most of t

Re: [Vo]:Incandescence is the wrong color

How does the emissivity of the alumina effect the optical appearance with regard to color? Is it possible for most of the energy to be emitted in the IR spectrum while limited at optical wavelengths? I recall looking at a piece of brightly glowing insulator in some NASA photo. The material wa

[Vo]:Some personal thoughts about NET and Krivit

On the front page of Krivit's NET, there is a link to an article which includes an unflattering photo of Rossi looking as if he is about to tell Mr. Krivit to f&ck off. (With apologies to Mats Lewan.) Krivit states: > In a document recently circulated on the Internet, collaborators o

Re: [Vo]:Rossi patent status

I don't think Rossi will be navigating these patent waters very effectively and his ship will wreck on one of their treacherous rocks. His invention will be copied and he will be viewed as a tragic figure in history. He was so full of bluster in 2011. All he needed to do was demonstrate his devi

Re: [Vo]:Engineering and materials issues with high temperature hot-cat Lugano demo

The amount of lithium seems to be tiny from what I have read. Do you think that enough of it is in there to perform the function you are suggesting? Dave -Original Message- From: Robert Lynn To: vortex-l Sent: Sun, Oct 12, 2014 1:35 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Engineering and materi

Re: [Vo]:Engineering and materials issues with high temperature hot-cat Lugano demo

And, if the core is not producing any extra heat then it would be at the same temperature as the wires. Again, a tiny secondary passing section might allow the core to be slightly cooler if it does not produce heat. Dave -Original Message- From: ChemE Stewart To: vortex-l Se

Re: [Vo]:Engineering and materials issues with high temperature hot-cat Lugano demo

Right, if the reaction/core is producing the heat and not the wires. On Sunday, October 12, 2014, David Roberson wrote: > The wires must be at a lower temperature than the interior of the > reactor. Heat flows from a hot body towards a colder one and for heat to > escape from the central portio

Re: [Vo]:Engineering and materials issues with high temperature hot-cat Lugano demo

The report claims that the current waveforms are the same before and after the control electronics. The scope picture looks like what I would expect for a triac switched line signal. I see little reason to believe that a more complex waveform is used for this test. Dave -Origin

Re: [Vo]:Engineering and materials issues with high temperature hot-cat Lugano demo

The wires must be at a lower temperature than the interior of the reactor. Heat flows from a hot body towards a colder one and for heat to escape from the central portion of the power cylinder requires it to be at a higher temperature. The heat then flows past the wires to the outer surface of

RE: Isotope conversion completeness, was RE: [Vo]:Pomp weighs in

-Original Message- From: Brad Lowe http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=853&cpage=12#comment-992087 Quoting Rossi: "We think that our process, the so called “Rossi Effect”, is, as a serendipity, also a system to produce 62Ni, because only this fact can explain the formation of

[Vo]:Air Flow Calorimetry

Well I spent an hour or so in the HVAC world and sure enough Jed was right. Apparently the standard for measuring air flow in a round duct involves checking wind speed in 18 locations along three separate axes, which is probably not practical when you are trying to assess air flow in a dynamic syst

[Vo]:Rossi patent status

>From David French: http://coldfusionnow.org/status-report-rossi-pending-us-patent-application/

Re: [Vo]:Robert Godes comments on the report

They use a pulse train also. I like his pressure relief valve idea, I have worked around lots of boilers/pressure vessels. These heating devices, assuming they work could be used like rods in a boiler almost immediately to stop the use of coal. On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 8:21 PM, H Veeder wrote: >

Re: [Vo]:Robert Godes comments on the report

So, Brillouin implies that they can produce a similar reaction. ""The before and after test results are consistent with the Brillouin Hypothesis. It is unfortunate that there equipment only reports the stable isotopes of Ni and they probably cut it off from Cu detection or figured the Cu65 wit

[Vo]:Robert Godes comments on the report

Robert Godes from Brillouin comments: http://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/index.php/Thread/734-Short-text-from-Robert-Godes-regarding-the-test/ Harry

Re: [Vo]:Air Flow Calorimetry

no small rankine turbines or steam engines are that efficient. Best bet would be a stirling engine from qnergy http://www.qnergy.com/. About 3kW output and 30-35% efficient and designed to feed into the grid. If run in some un-prepared location like a lecture hall or foyer that would make a trul

Re: [Vo]:another Law breaker?

ugh...my "idiot twin" wrote this. Harry On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 10:57 PM, H Veeder wrote: > Another related thought experiment > > Consider the focusing of sunlight by a simple parabolic reflector. Why > doesn't that constitute a violation of the 2nd law of thermodynamics which > (according to

Re: [Vo]:Incandescence is the wrong color

I would concur regarding the colour being too cold, but I have seen previous pictures where digital cameras also do not show just how bright something is glowing (from work in engine testing with exhausts at a precisely measured 900°C) so would not be too critical on that alone. The visible bandin

Re: [Vo]:Air Flow Calorimetry

I am probably naive. However, it seems to me that if one design a loop back, an absolute measurement can be had. Once the Ecat is at full operation let the ecat generate steam and run a turbine with an electrical generator. As the COP for the turbine is well known exact knowledge can be determined

Re: [Vo]:Engineering and materials issues with high temperature hot-cat Lugano demo

Jones wrote: "A pyrometer is the only way to test high temperature accurately. The IR is completely deficient in this situation. Ahern was doing this kind of testing as far back as when Rossi was operating the etrodragon scam." Not true. A type B platinum thermocouple is highly accurate in th

Re: Isotope conversion completeness, was RE: [Vo]:Pomp weighs in

FYI, you can search all of Rossi's blogs using this handy link: http://www.rossilivecat.com/all.html Here is an entry from Aug. 28 2014 where Rossi states that his Rossi effect seems to enrich nickel to Ni62, and that Ni62 seems to improve the efficiency of the reaction. H http://www.journal-of-

Re: [Vo]:If IH/Rossi was so paranoid about his baby..

That too) On Sunday, October 12, 2014, Man on Bridges wrote: > Hi, > > ChemE Stewart schreef op 12-10-2014 20:20: > >> The internal oscillating magnetic field may supplying >> alignment/heating/arcing as well as lorentz forces to keep the mixture >> stirred up, like a circulating fluidize

Re: [Vo]:If IH/Rossi was so paranoid about his baby..

Hi, ChemE Stewart schreef op 12-10-2014 20:20: The internal oscillating magnetic field may supplying alignment/heating/arcing as well as lorentz forces to keep the mixture stirred up, like a circulating fluidized bed reactor for the lithium, Ni, etc. Ok, what about a plasma? Kind regards,

Re: [Vo]:Incandescence is the wrong color

Jed, As someone experienced with working at these kinds of temperatures in the glass industry, it was obvious that the temperature shown in the image is way below the reported operating temperature. I don't know whether this is because it was warming up, or because many consumer cameras don't

Re: [Vo]:Air Flow Calorimetry

I have had wretched experiences trying to do air-flow calorimetery. It is done by HVAC installers on a daily basis, so it does work, although I gather it is imprecise. I know it is hard to do right. The hard parts are determining the flow rate of air, and finding the temperature, which varies in t

Re: [Vo]:If IH/Rossi was so paranoid about his baby..

Jones Beene wrote: > That makes no sense. He has actually accomplished remarkable things as an > inventor. > > > > Yes. Remarkably bad. Here are the two most famous inventions: > Don't be tiresome. You know perfectly well he made millions with Diesel engines, and you know that that the Italian

Re: [Vo]:Incandescence is the wrong color

They might have taken this photo before it got white hot. At lenr-forum.com I added this to the list of questions. - Jed

[Vo]:Incandescence is the wrong color

Figures 12a and 12b show the reactor is incandescent. It looks like the wrong color for a surface temperature as high as claimed. I would say this is about 900°C. As much as I hate to cite Wikipedia . . . See this color chart: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incandescence#mediaviewer/File:Incandesce

RE: [Vo]:If IH/Rossi was so paranoid about his baby..

From: Jed It is a illness called “the imposter syndrome” - a recognized personality disorder with several nuances including the great imposter syndrome. That makes no sense. He has actually accomplished remarkable things as an inventor. Yes. Remarkably bad. Here are the two mo

Re: [Vo]:If IH/Rossi was so paranoid about his baby..

I think you may be correct. The arcing may be creating NAE on the fly thru ablation on particle surfaces . P.S. I am making this up as I go... On Sunday, October 12, 2014, Eric Walker wrote: > On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 11:20 AM, ChemE Stewart > wrote: > > The internal oscillating magnetic field

Re: [Vo]:If IH/Rossi was so paranoid about his baby..

On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 11:20 AM, ChemE Stewart wrote: The internal oscillating magnetic field may supplying ... arcing > The "arcing" part -- this is what I'm betting on. That may be all that is needed to sustain the reaction. Eric

Re: [Vo]:If IH/Rossi was so paranoid about his baby..

Jones Beene wrote: > Rothwell keeps insisting he has “no motivation” for a scam, and that > sounds sensible enough at first glance, since this sentiment is based on > the motivational patterns of normal healthy adults. > Rossi is a difficult person but he is far from crazy in my opinion. I am n

Re: [Vo]:Engineering and materials issues with high temperature hot-cat Lugano demo

I like Eric's link to Al2O3 as a diffusion barrier for H2 Diffusion Barrier to Oxygen and Hydrogen This process is unique because the processed alpha-Al2O3 molecules are FULLY OXIDIZED molecules with ORDERED STRUCTURES. The alpha-Al2O3 oxide structure, once formed, serves as a nearly perfect diff

[Vo]:Test results- bizarre but not SO new

Dear Friends, It is peak time of the assassination attempts for the Rossi test. Rossi and the Professors are not reading my Blog so they don't know the 1 = 0 rule. The results make physics' best and most faithful scholars angry. But as I show here- just published it: http://egooutpeters.blogspot

RE: [Vo]:Engineering and materials issues with high temperature hot-cat Lugano demo

From: Eric Walker Jones has also alluded to secret knowledge that there is an ampule (perhaps from Brian Ahern). Whoa… this is vortex guesswork, not secret, and was supplied by someone else here as being the best if not only way to avoid the hydrogen diffusion problem, the air contamina

Re: [Vo]:If IH/Rossi was so paranoid about his baby..

http://www.zrci.com/rs3000p.htm As long as I am not operating a pressure vessel, I would imbed my electrical coil in a tube made of alumina felt add alumina glue to give it stiffness, place the reactant inside and seal the ends. The insulating properties would not interfere with the coils magneti

Re: [Vo]:If IH/Rossi was so paranoid about his baby..

Axil Axil wrote: The test exposes LENR for what it is, a impossible miracle that works. Any > right thinking technology would evaluate this test as impossible. LENR is > stranger than fiction and is far ahead of its time. > I think you mean "right thinking technologist" (person). I agree complet

Re: [Vo]:Engineering and materials issues with high temperature hot-cat Lugano demo

I wrote: An observer there for the opening reported no such refractory shell (though >> might be under NDA). >> > > Can you elaborate on this detail? Is it a CMNS thing? > I'm strongly inclined to think there's an inner cylinder that slides within the body of the reactor. Otherwise the diamond

Re: [Vo]:Engineering and materials issues with high temperature hot-cat Lugano demo

Ok I agree, then they did not optimize on any unfourtunate transparancy effect. So to conclude * You can see the fins having the same temperature at the upper profile as the bulk meaning that any transparance light in that region is the same maxima superimposed - hard to explain an 3.5 cop there *

Re: [Vo]:If IH/Rossi was so paranoid about his baby..

Blaze Spinnaker wrote: > As for the motivations of the report, that's an interesting point. I > always assumed he needs it to get a patent and if the patent agents don't > see the report as being really TIP, than they may come to the same > conclusions I have here, that is is involvement was v

Re: [Vo]:If IH/Rossi was so paranoid about his baby..

The test exposes LENR for what it is, a impossible miracle that works. Any right thinking technology would evaluate this test as impossible. LENR is stranger than fiction and is far ahead of its time. What would Ben Franklin thing about a domo of a nuclear reactor. He would think it was impossible

Re: [Vo]:Engineering and materials issues with high temperature hot-cat Lugano demo

Activated alumina is a porous, granular substance that is used as a substrate for catalysts and as an adsorbent for removing water from gases and liquids. Smelter-grade alumina accounts for 90 percent of all alumina produced; it is transported to aluminum plants, where it is electrolyzed into alumi

Re: [Vo]:Engineering and materials issues with high temperature hot-cat Lugano demo

This method of sealing and the fact that the reactor is not purged of air means that the hydrogen is bound in a solid as a hydride at all times to metals in the reactor most likely aluminum or lithium. On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 1:35 PM, Robert Lynn wrote: > if there was an inner metal cylinder to

RE: [Vo]:If IH/Rossi was so paranoid about his baby..

From: Blaze Spinnaker Nah, Jed, you really are just spouting neurotic nonsense.We're all just discussing the report here because it's interesting to us. The ash results we're totally bizarre. Rossi is often bizarre and says random, inexplicable things. I could see him, for whatev

Re: [Vo]:Engineering and materials issues with high temperature hot-cat Lugano demo

if there was an inner metal cylinder to contain reactants (particularly insanely leak-prone hydrogen at high temperatures) then it would be sealed by welding not half assed approaches like alumina glue. Until you have worked with hydrogen (I worked with stirling engines containing hydrogen) it is

Re: [Vo]:Engineering and materials issues with high temperature hot-cat Lugano demo

It is said that Rossi uses a magnetic field to startup the E-Cat. Could this be a large infusion of inductive heat supported by aluminum or lithium aluminum? On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 1:26 PM, Stefan Israelsson Tampe < stefan.ita...@gmail.com> wrote: > There is still the evidences that ther is a co

Re: [Vo]:magnetic pulse

I bet it is used to align mag moments with their (spin) to improve the odds of reaction and conservation of angular momrnentum. Bob Cook. Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE SmartphoneChemE Stewart wrote: I Agee. It was mentioned he uses the coil to heat as well as feed it a pulse train, pro

[Vo]:Air Flow Calorimetry

As a non-technical person who greatly enjoys and respects this forum I am extremely cautious about opening new threads, so I have thought long and hard about this and I think the time is right. I hope the brain trust here will take a little time to answer. My question: why would this

Re: [Vo]:Engineering and materials issues with high temperature hot-cat Lugano demo

There is still the evidences that ther is a coil and that rossi has the powder in a varying magnetic field. He could use the wires both as resistive heating and controlling the reaction rate, maybe, maybe because you can stir it using localized magnetic fields stemming from this very strange nuclea

Re: [Vo]:Engineering and materials issues with high temperature hot-cat Lugano demo

On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 9:52 AM, Robert Lynn wrote: > Apart from the fact that the 'glue' would have residual porosity that > would probably help vent all hydrogen at high temp that is pretty strong > indicator that there is no refractory metal shell in there to prevent > leakage if that is a bi

Re: [Vo]:Engineering and materials issues with high temperature hot-cat Lugano demo

Robert I think you make good points, not sure what the inner cylinder is made of and I guess that if it is metal it has to be thin in order to not show up on the weight. There is also the possiblity that eddi current's heat the cyllinder at high temps but then can we keep the wires cold. Also, this

Re: [Vo]:Engineering and materials issues with high temperature hot-cat Lugano demo

inductive heating works based on the area of the conductive loop cut by the changing magnetic field, the rate of change of the magnetic field and the conductivity of the material. Consequently microscopic powder made with high resistivity hot iron/nickel will have extremely weak response to any lo

Re: [Vo]:Engineering and materials issues with high temperature hot-cat Lugano demo

50 or 50 CPS AC current should read 50 or 60 cycle AC current On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 1:13 PM, Axil Axil wrote: > Rossi has said that he uses AC current in the heater and that DC current > does not work. This might indicate 50 or 50 CPS AC current is used to > induce heat in plasma and/or iron

Re: [Vo]:Engineering and materials issues with high temperature hot-cat Lugano demo

Rossi has said that he uses AC current in the heater and that DC current does not work. This might indicate 50 or 50 CPS AC current is used to induce heat in plasma and/or iron. On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 1:08 PM, Axil Axil wrote: > There are also iron particles in the fuel mix that might support i

Re: [Vo]:Engineering and materials issues with high temperature hot-cat Lugano demo

There are also iron particles in the fuel mix that might support inductive heating local to the fuel mix. Inductive heating might result in the primary heater wire being colder than the fuel charge thus casting a darker shadow that we see in the pictures of the reactor in operation. I like the indu

Re: [Vo]:Engineering and materials issues with high temperature hot-cat Lugano demo

The tubercles on the nickel powder function to ionize the hydrogen using dipole motion induced by heat. On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 12:55 PM, Robert Lynn < robert.gulliver.l...@gmail.com> wrote: > far above curie limit for Ni, magnetic fields won't move powder > magnetically, only ions, but temps are

Re: [Vo]:Engineering and materials issues with high temperature hot-cat Lugano demo

far above curie limit for Ni, magnetic fields won't move powder magnetically, only ions, but temps are too low for significant Li or H ions to exist, and no ionising radiation sources in evidence. On 13 October 2014 00:49, Stefan Israelsson Tampe wrote: > Yes but in that case the core can be hot

Re: [Vo]:Krivit takes on the new Rossi's test

Can't wait to not read Krivit's laser-sharp analysis. On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 12:40 PM, Daniel Rocha wrote: > > http://news.newenergytimes.net/2014/10/12/rossi-handles-samples-in-alleged-independent-test-of-his-device/ > > -- > Daniel Rocha - RJ > danieldi...@gmail.com >

Re: [Vo]:Engineering and materials issues with high temperature hot-cat Lugano demo

they dropped the powder in through a hole and then sealed it with alumina refractory glue around a metal thermocouple (why are its readings not reported???). Apart from the fact that the 'glue' would have residual porosity that would probably help vent all hydrogen at high temp that is pretty stro

Re: [Vo]:Engineering and materials issues with high temperature hot-cat Lugano demo

Yes but in that case the core can be hotter then the cables. We don't know about the powder, and the changes of magnetic fields inside the core could stir the powder around and by changing that behavior you might end up controlling the reaction rate. Also inductive heating of an inner containing cy

Re: [Vo]:Engineering and materials issues with high temperature hot-cat Lugano demo

inductive heating only works on conductive materials with sufficient thickness/area through which the changing magnetic flux passes to allow eddy currents to form. With 150Hz pulses Nickel particles of tiny scale would not be affected (like thin motor laminates) - it would only work to heat a seco

[Vo]:Krivit takes on the new Rossi's test

http://news.newenergytimes.net/2014/10/12/rossi-handles-samples-in-alleged-independent-test-of-his-device/ -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com

Re: [Vo]:Engineering and materials issues with high temperature hot-cat Lugano demo

On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 2:39 AM, Robert Lynn wrote: > This reactor is mostly nickel droplets in lithium gas (the hydrogen will > all diffuse away through porous sintered alumina rapidly at such high > temperatures, but perhaps is useful to create reducing conditions > initially). > The report t

Re: [Vo]:Tommso Dorigo (a very good experimental partice physicist) analysis report

no question mark. -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com

Re: [Vo]:Engineering and materials issues with high temperature hot-cat Lugano demo

How do we know that iti s resistive heating that is taking place? Bob Greenyer at MFMP sugested that it is an inductive heater this means that the wires get a bit cooler then the heated core. On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 6:24 PM, Robert Lynn wrote: > Fig 12b. page 26. Only just notice that they say

Re: [Vo]:Tommso Dorigo (a very good experimental partice physicist) analysis report

Mary Yugo has just showed up? -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com

Re: [Vo]:Engineering and materials issues with high temperature hot-cat Lugano demo

On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 9:24 AM, Robert Lynn wrote: There is also a mistake in their discussion for these figures, the metal > resistors within the reactor would necessarily have to be hotter than the > reactor itself if they are to be able to output heat into the reactor. > Overall very interes

Re: [Vo]:Engineering and materials issues with high temperature hot-cat Lugano demo

Fig 12b. page 26. Only just notice that they say they are "inconel" resistance wires. But how can the resistor wire, external to the reactor, glow more brightly than the reactor itself (implying it is hotter)? Also if the reactor external surface is at 1250-1410°C, then on top of the 30-50°C te

Re: [Vo]:Engineering and materials issues with high temperature hot-cat Lugano demo

On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 8:17 AM, Jones Beene wrote: If the camera had been calibrated to 1400 C instead of 500 C it would have > shown the same ~3.5 OU on the dummy load as was later seen on the active > load! If this is true, it should be easy enough for someone to arrange a demo of the phenom

Re: [Vo]:If IH/Rossi was so paranoid about his baby..

Nah, Jed, you really are just spouting neurotic nonsense.We're all just discussing the report here because it's interesting to us. The ash results we're totally bizarre. Rossi is often bizarre and says random, inexplicable things. I could see him, for whatever misguided reasons, messing

Re: [Vo]:Engineering and materials issues with high temperature hot-cat Lugano demo

During the discussion about the first TIP, at energikatalysatorn there was a huge stir about the applicability of using a heat camera to validate the output energy until a heat camera expert enter the discussion and although he was skeptical of the final result, said and explained thoroughly that

Re: [Vo]:Engineering and materials issues with high temperature hot-cat Lugano demo

I wrote: > The actual temperature would be around 750 deg C (based on the > calibration). The incandescent portions would show up as much more than > 1400 deg C. Anyone can see that is impossible. > I mean "anyone can see" that a real temperature difference on that scale is impossible. I am not

Re: [Vo]:Engineering and materials issues with high temperature hot-cat Lugano demo

Let’s keep an open mind and use logic as a powerful probe of the Rossi reactor. Robert’s analysis is a good one and it points to some contradictions between valid everyday engineering assumptions and the processes that are going on inside of the reactor. These factors are hard to reconcile. But

Re: [Vo]:Engineering and materials issues with high temperature hot-cat Lugano demo

Jones Beene wrote: > You, Ahern, and the other skeptics have not addressed the reasons why a > large mistake with the IR camera is unlikely. So I assume you have no > rebuttal. Until you do respond I will assume the issue is settled and there > is no problem. > > > > Are you blind – or you are n

RE: [Vo]:Draft Ragone Plot FINAL -- OK TO USE

At 07:29 AM 10/12/2014, Alan Fletcher wrote: I put up a new "FINAL" version at http://lenr.qumbu.com/web_hotcat2_pics/141011_ragone_30.png Permission is given to use this, with attribution (preferably by leaving the caption in, otherwise all the information on its derivation must be in the ac

RE: [Vo]:Engineering and materials issues with high temperature hot-cat Lugano demo

From: Jed Rothwell You, Ahern, and the other skeptics have not addressed the reasons why a large mistake with the IR camera is unlikely. So I assume you have no rebuttal. Until you do respond I will assume the issue is settled and there is no problem. Are you blind – or you are not li

Re: [Vo]:Engineering and materials issues with high temperature hot-cat Lugano demo

Jones Beene wrote: > Whether you realize it or not - you are sounding hugely hypocritical – > especially based on the way you slimed DGT with far less evidence of > misconduct, based on Kim’s report > I have never discussed Kim's report. I do not understand it. Perhaps you mean the Gamberale re

RE: [Vo]:Engineering and materials issues with high temperature hot-cat Lugano demo

Jed, Whether you realize it or not - you are sounding hugely hypocritical – especially based on the way you slimed DGT with far less evidence of misconduct, based on Kim’s report … and yet now, with almost overwhelming evidence that this report is bogus, contrived, and not independent in any rem

[Vo]:Re: [Vo]:"Everyone dislikes novelty,”

People do indeed dislike novelty. I think this is instinct. Fear of the unknown is a healthy response for a primate in natural circumstances. Here are some good quotes about this: http://amasci.com/weird/skepquot.html I like these: "The mind likes a strange idea as little as the body likes a st

RE: [Vo]:Draft Ragone Plot

At 07:15 PM 10/11/2014, Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson wrote: Alan, I just noticed on page 26 that the arrow is missing on the original plate as well. Sorry if I sounded like it was something you personally forgot to put in the updated chart. No ... I'm going to leave that section alone!

Re: [Vo]:Engineering and materials issues with high temperature hot-cat Lugano demo

Jones Beene wrote: > Andrea Rossi who gradually brought it to the power level requested by us. > Rossi later intervened to switch off the dummy, and in the following > subsequent operations on the E-Cat.” (from page 6 of the original, before > being edited out) > It has not been edited out.

Re: [Vo]:If IH/Rossi was so paranoid about his baby..

Blaze Spinnaker wrote: They compromised the integrity of the report because they were afraid to > handle a lab saw? > They did not compromise the integrity of anything. That's silly. This test was not intended to convince you, or the skeptics, or anyone else. It was done to meet the stated goals

Re: [Vo]:If IH/Rossi was so paranoid about his baby..

If you read Mats Lewan's book, you would see that the steam issue was settled with a test by Levi where the flow rate was increased to the level that steam was not produced. "One of Levi's colleagues had measured the dryness of the steam and certified that it contained only a small percentage of w

RE: [Vo]:Engineering and materials issues with high temperature hot-cat Lugano demo

If Robert’s points were not devastating enough, there is more. >From Ahern: “The calibrations stopped at 500C for a foolish if not deceptive reason… blackbody radiation was absorbed by the alumina to a greater extent at lower temperatures. If the power was increased to achieve temperatures of 1200

Re: [Vo]:If IH/Rossi was so paranoid about his baby..

Jones Beene wrote: He claimed a cell had run for 6 months continuous, with long spans > requiring no input power. > The "factory heater." I am pretty sure that is true. Several other people saw it. > He said he had built hundreds of them and was ready for robotic mass > production. > I do no

RE: [Vo]:If IH/Rossi was so paranoid about his baby..

To put all of this into proper perspective, none of it should not be happening today. On January 14, 2011, Rossi gave his first public demonstration of E-Cat. He claimed at that demo that he was generating 15 kW output thermal from P-in of 400W electric. Many did not question this. In anothe

Re: [Vo]:If IH/Rossi was so paranoid about his baby..

He was the one that designed and built the reactor, so he is/was the best choice to be the one to cut it open and remove the charge. Seems pretty logical to me. I guess maybe they ( the scientist in third party test) just don't have the same feeling that a lot of the pathoskeptics have, and that

Re: [Vo]:If IH/Rossi was so paranoid about his baby..

I think a reasonable (and pretty fundamental assumption) of a third party report is that the inventor is not involved in anyway. Given that Rossi trusted them enough to handle it without his presence or his lab, you have to wonder why he didn't trust them enough to use a lab saw on it. On Sun, O

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