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Socialism has always failed because it merely replaces private sector
rent-seeking with public sector rent-seeking.
You have to disintermediate the public sector bureaucracy with a citizen's
dividend.
On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 3:14 PM, Jarold McWilli
This economic system has already been developed. It is called socialism, or
what some people would call communism. When there is no more need for human
labor, it is obvious that governments are going to have to allocate resources.
Capitalism obviously won't work. Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 17:36
Will cold fusion finally go mainstream after this ICCF-17? Celani has done
independent testing, right? I'm not very familiar with how science becomes
accepted mainstream, but I do not understand why it is taking so long.
> From: mix...@bigpond.com
> To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
> Subject: Re: [V
I think rail assisted launch is a lot more realistic right now than a space
elevator. However, an 80 mile $60 billion tube is too big of a project at this
point. A much more feasible approach would be to find a mountain over a mile
high with the right angle and build it so the g forces are rea
You really think people know what they want? The vast majority of people don't
think cold fusion is possible, and an even larger amount don't care and focus
on issues that don't matter. Most people reject cold fusion, so we should
invest no money into it because it would be a waste of money?
If we decide to get rid of nuclear and coal in favor of wind and solar, a
millions of people will die of starvation. Our GDP would decrease by half.
I'd rather take a "risk" that a nuclear reactor explodes or a coal mine
collapses than the alternative.
On Apr 2, 2012, at 4:16 PM, Jed Rothwe
Greenpeace is not a credible source.
On Apr 2, 2012, at 3:24 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
> I wrote:
>
> The replacement cost of the equipment would be ~$692 billion, which is
> roughly how much the Fukushima disaster will cost.
>
> As Greenpeace pointed out, by coincidence this is roughly the cost
Where do you keep getting this $600 billion dollar number? Most of the sources
I've seen say it's around $50 billion. And Tepco is the 4th largest electric
utility in the world, not the 1st. Adding Chernobyl to nuclear's safety record
is unfair. Chernobyl just showed what can happen to a nu
12, at 10:19 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
> Jarold McWilliams wrote:
>
> Nuclear is just as safe, if not more, than both of them.
>
> Evidently not. The Fukushima accident proved it is not safe. Just because it
> did not kill people right away that does not make it safe. It will l
Nuclear is just as safe, if not more, than both of them.
On Mar 31, 2012, at 8:27 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
> Alan Fletcher wrote:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Francis_Dam -- 1929 ?
>
> ... the current death toll is estimated to be more than 600 victims . . .
>
> A concrete dam failur
Fukishima disaster? How many people died in this disaster? 3 so far, 0 from
radiation.How much was the damage to property? How many people died when a
renewable energy dam broke? About 1,000 and probably about the same economic
damage with the homes washed away. There were also fires at
I am not a republican, and I think global warming is a sham. According to your
theories, couldn't global warming just be a ploy to get more money out of
consumers? The climate always changes. Even in a worst case scenario
predicted by some scientists, it will not end in the apocalypse like so
people have to be
working 40 hours a week in a society with nearly free energy and seemingly
endless resources.
On Mar 30, 2012, at 3:22 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
> Jarold McWilliams wrote:
>
> The world can't run on oil forever, and hopefully it is not going to much
> longer
well wrote:
> Jarold McWilliams wrote:
>
> Things change. They're [oil companies] going to have to adapt, and if they
> do, they can come out ahead. There is not much profit to be made for cold
> fusion fuel, but they can produce the reactors instead.
>
> Oil companie
Things change. They're going to have to adapt, and if they do, they can come
out ahead. There is not much profit to be made for cold fusion fuel, but they
can produce the reactors instead. Maybe they can take a large part of the
transportation sector with cold fusion as the power source. Yes
This is a private message. Are you the same Axil on other energy websites like
focus fusion and thorium reactors?
On Mar 28, 2012, at 11:02 PM, Axil Axil wrote:
> His *technique* is one that will produce, if it works, extremely high
> temperatures through bubble collapse. Absolutely, this is no
Is there anything new on George Miley's conference that was supposed to be
today?
cy is good. If cold fusion is shown to work in the mainsteam,
there is no question there will be virtually unlimited resources poured into it.
On Mar 17, 2012, at 9:04 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
> Jarold McWilliams wrote:
>
> I agree that it needs to be relatively safe if you are going to s
I agree that it needs to be relatively safe if you are going to sell it, but
you don't need a theory to prove it is safe. If he really has a device that
can produce power at commercial levels, I don't want to see time wasted on
explaining the theory of how the reaction works before he can sell
Does anybody think anything will happen with the LENR colloquium at CERN on the
22nd or George Miley's presentation on the 23rd of March? I really don't know
what happens at these type of events. Is cold fusion going to finally be
pushed into the mainstream?
I don't think the skepticism was bad at all on their forums. I also don't
think it is the reason they shut down the forum. Why wouldn't they just ban
them? The only thing anyone should care about at this point is independent
verification. I don't know what they were expecting from a forum.
rd prizes are really effective. The
> Orteig prize won by Lindbergh was only $25,000 but generated investment of
> over $400,000. Smith's prize which is not paid to the LENR
> researcher/inventor does not even create this stimulus.
>
> Ransom
> - Original Message ---
is proven. I do
think he is kind of stupid with the protocols he was expecting Defkalion to
make though.
On Mar 1, 2012, at 10:32 AM, Terry Blanton wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 10:56 AM, Jarold McWilliams
> wrote:
>> If cold fusion is real, Dick Smith immediately makes millio
s fair offer, he would have been one of the independent entities in
> testing Hyperions.
>
> Of course it is plausible, that losing $one million had been such a shock,
> that he would have hidden the results in shame and never publish them...
>
>—Jouni
>
> On 1 Mar
roduct, because it is close
> to AR`s 1MW test. I will apply the same date to DGT.
>
> 2012/3/1 Jarold McWilliams
> DGT may not owe us anything, but I don't owe them anything either. Defkalion
> has shown us nothing, and Rossi just had some demos that he was in complete
What if DGT didn't have any tests? We'll never get results because these
visiting entities might not even exist. Why can't DGT release the test results
without the entities, but just don't mention who the entities are? This
doesn't prove they have anything, but it's a start, and there is no r
DGT may not owe us anything, but I don't owe them anything either. Defkalion
has shown us nothing, and Rossi just had some demos that he was in complete
control of. I don't owe them any patience, though I will still wait until
March 31. If nothing happens by then, there is no reason for me to
Yes, I don't know why they had the forum in the first place. What are they
expecting if they aren't willing to do an independent test? I didn't think the
posts on the forum were that bad for any party. I didn't think the skepticism
was unreasonable, but I did think running a forum was pretty
Do you really think that if the U.S. government had the power to forbid
implementation of cold fusion, that they wouldn't realize a cold fusion device
is headed for the market?
From: oldja...@hotmail.com
To: hoyt.stea...@gmail.com; vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Test day in Gre
Do you really think that if the U.S. government had the power to forbid
implementation of cold fusion, that they wouldn't realize a cold fusion device
is headed for the market?
From: hoyt.stea...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Test day in Greece time
Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2
chnology
stolen if it benefits the planet have no moral authority to compalin if an evil
person steals from them. Theft is theft.
From: Jarold McWilliams
To: thesteornpa...@yahoo.com
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 6:41 PM
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Test day in Greece time
Can't som
If everyone was better off, including yourself, you'd still follow your
"values"? I completely disagree with this. All I care about is making
people's lives better.
On Feb 24, 2012, at 12:32 PM, noone noone wrote:
> When it comes to sticking to my principles, it does not matter what people
That's not going to happen. Almost everyone who has made a lot of money off of
new technology has stolen it from someone else. If Rossi really does have
something, I hope he does get the money and fame he deserves, but I'm much more
concerned about getting this product out to the public as soo
I thought I'd bring the discussion back on topic a little bit. Not too long
before the testing starts. It is now the day of the test and if the Hyperion
performs as claimed, it is the moment society has needed for a long time. We
probably won't get very good results at least for a few days, b
I agree. At least Defkalion looked into it unlike Rossi, and I can respect
them for at least trying to make it work. Smith's criteria were pretty
ridiculous. He really needs to get someone who knows what they are talking
about and work out a deal with Defkalion.
On Feb 21, 2012, at 2:13 PM, D
gt;
> On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 12:48 AM, Jarold McWilliams
> wrote:
> The problem with all of that is the ones who work the least are the ones with
> the most money.
>
> It's only a problem to you.
>
> Do you think Buffet really worked a million times harder than
gt; change in these areas for many decades.
>
> Eric
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 1:07 PM, Jarold McWilliams
> wrote:
> I agree with you that science and technology is the most important for growth
> in society. The only way to improve the economy is to impr
I agree with you that science and technology is the most important for growth
in society. The only way to improve the economy is to improve science and
technology. Average people and average business owners don't see the benefits
of improvements in technology. Average people can only think ab
Thank you. I've been following this for quite a while and have not seen
anything mentioned about it. If I wouldn't have asked multiple times, it would
have probably been ignored and never answered. You said you forgot about it.
A good sign of a scam is distracting and delaying which is what
The problem with all of that is the ones who work the least are the ones with
the most money. Do you think Buffet really worked a million times harder than
the average person? Socialism does not mean equality, but I really don't think
Buffet deserves to make a million times more just because h
Board of Director's first decisions will
> be to remove Rossi from his Public Relations duties and move him to internal
> special projects... If the technology works he should be recognized for his
> contributions to the LENR field and definitely not the PR field.
>
> On Th
No sneering? I'm not trying to mock anything. I just have a question that I'd
like answered.
On Feb 15, 2012, at 8:00 PM, Terry Blanton wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 8:53 PM, Jarold McWilliams
> wrote:
>> When are we going to get information about the non-secretive
When are we going to get information about the non-secretive 1 MW customer? I
believe Rossi said he had a customer in 3 months time right after the October
28th demonstration who was not confidential. It has now been over 3 months,
and I haven't heard anything new since then.
I can prove that I've had it since April, 2010, but I think I've had it since
about 2008.
On Feb 15, 2012, at 6:38 PM, Terry Blanton wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 6:01 PM, Jarold McWilliams
> wrote:
>
>> Just more useless speculation that you are wrong about. I wa
n on your self-imposed deadline date?
>
> Regards,
> Patrick
>
> On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 8:17 AM, Jarold McWilliams
> wrote:
> I've been on the fence until just a couple of days ago when I heard Rossi's
> terrible excuse for not even giving Smith's propo
Just more useless speculation that you are wrong about. I was on DGT while MY
was there, and I told her/him to be more patient until more information was
released. Rossi refused to do something that he said he was going to do.
On Feb 15, 2012, at 4:22 PM, Terry Blanton wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 15,
of us…
>
> If it makes you feel good, just call it a fraud and move on… nothing to see
> here.
>
> -Mark
>
> From: Jarold McWilliams [mailto:oldja...@hotmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 10:48 AM
> To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
> Subject: Re: [Vo]:Defk
Rossi is either ignorant, or he is a blatant liar. Either way, it doesn't look
good. Now, that doesn't mean he doesn't have an LENR device, but he loses all
credibility from me. It would be no different if I claimed to have a working
cold fusion device and am working with a secret customer.
I have been very patient with all of this. I was willing to wait until March
31, and even then I wouldn't consider it 100% fraud with no tests. Rossi is a
liar if he doesn't even look into conducting a test with Smith, and there is no
reason to believe anything he says with no proof.
On Feb 15
What was the point in the 1 MW sales then if he didn't need the money?
Couldn't he have partnered with someone without the wasted time on the 1 MW
plant? You really don't think his customers are reverse engineering his
technology if it is a 64 trillion dollar business? Dick Smith is just anot
There is absolutely no excuse why Rossi wouldn't accept this offer. I was
sitting on the fence with Rossi, but now I'm leaning more towards him being a
fraud. It is a million dollars for a simple test. It would be a much better
use of his time than writing about snakes and clowns on his blog.
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