Well Jed, you have seen the last half dozen posts that show just how
rotten climate science has become.
You might conclude that climate science is not a "hard" science like
physics but more like psychology where theory changes like fashions over
time because hard facts are missing. It wasn't so
, 2015 7:10 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:N. Y. Times article comment
Jed, I think a problem in this dialog is that you are not an expert even in a
related field. I happen to be an expert in a related field. I spent my career
in computer modeling of linear and nonlinear systems
Jed, if all three gave you the same useless recommendation and you
disagreed and did something else that worked. I would say you had a better
understanding than the experts. I am not very good at medicine. However, I
often knows better about my body than the doctor. Sometimes they are just
plain wr
about experts, I've exchanged and seen exchange an dposition by many
experts on facts around climate story.
for example for paludisme, experts say climate is not the main driver, but
not too lood, and they say climate change is real .
numerical experts say modeling of climate cannot be correct and
If the fanatics were to get the reins and turn the "Global Warming" theory into
an emergency, it would cause a shift of lower middle class individuals into
poverty to pay for the emergency efforts. Many would die from not being able
to heat their house, buy food, or go to work.
Exactly so. It
Jed, I think a problem in this dialog is that you are not an expert even in
a related field. I happen to be an expert in a related field. I spent my
career in computer modeling of linear and nonlinear systems. The climate
modeling problem suffers in many ways from the same problem as LENR.
Poinc
Jeb,
You wrote: "You should at least acknowledge that I am defending the
opinions of
experts. Educated people may disagree with experts but it goes to far to
say this is "indefensible." You, for some reason, imagine you know better
than these experts. Given the complexity of modern society and
MarkI-ZeroPoint wrote:
Here’s the real issue Jed…
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>
>
> Didn’t you once argue vociferously, that science is NOT done by
> consensus???
>
As Damon Runyon said, "The race is not always to the swift, nor the battle
to the strong, but that's the way to bet."
What I am saying is that when you are
: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:N. Y. Times article comment
MarkI-ZeroPoint wrote:
Gee, how timely is this…
“Dr. Judith Curry is Professor and former Chair of the School of Earth and
Atmospheric Sciences at the Georgia Institute of Technology. She delivered her
verbal statement to
MarkI-ZeroPoint wrote:
Gee, how timely is this…
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>
>
> “Dr. Judith Curry is Professor and former Chair of the School of Earth
> and Atmospheric Sciences at the Georgia Institute of Technology. She
> delivered her verbal statement to last week's US Senate Commerce Committee
> Hearing on "Data or
Lennart Thornros wrote:
> You go to three experts and the one who gives the correct answer is the
> REAL expert. That is the problem in a nutshell - experts are often wrong
> even if they say they are experts and it is hard to see which one is THE
> expert. I assume you did not go to the two fi
Bob Higgins wrote:
> Yes, CO2 is a greenhouse gas and is likely increasing the global
> temperature - probably at a miniscule rate compared to the rate of warming
> due to natural cosmological and geothermal causes.
>
Yeah? How many papers on this subject have you published? Do you have a PhD
i
Lennart Thornros wrote:
> If scientists had THE answer than the rest of us would be obsolete.
>
That depends on THE question. If the question is highly complex and and it
takes years of effort to understand then yes, scientists have the answer
(if anyone does) and the rest of us have nothing.
Gee, how timely is this…
“Dr. Judith Curry is Professor and former Chair of the School of Earth and
Atmospheric Sciences at the Georgia Institute of Technology. She delivered her
verbal statement to last week's US Senate Commerce Committee Hearing on "Data
or Dogma? Promoting Open Inquiry in
Yes, Jed you are right.
You go to three experts and the one who gives the correct answer is the
REAL expert. That is the problem in a nutshell - experts are often wrong
even if they say they are experts and it is hard to see which one is THE
expert. I assume you did not go to the two first experts
Yes, CO2 is increasing by humans. In many ways fossil fuels keep us alive
and fed. It runs the furnace for my house to keep me from freeaing (20F
outside), it runs the tractors that farm the fields, the trucks and trains
that deliver the food, and most people in the US require driving a car to
ge
Eric Walker wrote:
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>
This is not to suggest that all experts are always right, but non-experts
>> are never right, and they cannot be right, even in principle. If they
>> happen to be right, it is a lucky guess.
>>
>
> This is complete nonsense.
>
Obviously I mean with regard to complex techn
a.ashfield wrote:
>
> I think Jed is attempting to defend the indefensible.
You should at least acknowledge that I am defending the opinions of
experts. Educated people may disagree with experts but it goes to far to
say this is "indefensible." You, for some reason, imagine you know better
than
Jed,
I frequently say that I am not a qualified science person, particularly in
regards to nuclear science, which I have very little background in.
However, and to your disappointment:) , I will voice my opinion as I see
fit. If scientists had THE answer than the rest of us would be obsolete.
I thi
On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 4:57 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
This is not to suggest that all experts are always right, but non-experts
> are never right, and they cannot be right, even in principle. If they
> happen to be right, it is a lucky guess.
>
This is complete nonsense.
Eric
Correction "I presume you understand that oil companies pay a lot of people
a lot of money to make global warming look like some kind of conspiracy".
I think there is room for the experts to be mistaken But when you look at
who believes in human caused global warming, the Oil companies internally
Bob Higgins,
I think Jed is attempting to defend the indefensible. But you stated
the Chinese pollution problem is due to CO2. It isn't. If it were just
CO2 there would be no smog. CO2 levels would have to get a lot higher
than that for people to even notice it.
Bob Higgins wrote:
Jed, you certainly have a right to your opinion and to express it. In the
> case of LENR, there are well respected scientists in positions of power in
> the US government that claim LENR doesn't exist - "it is bad science".
>
Yes. I know those people well. I have met with the
Bob, you seem to agree there is warming...
That CO2 is increasing, by humans...
I presume you agree that increased CO2 heats things up with the greenhouse
effect.
I presume you understand that oil pays a lot of people a lot of money to
make global warming look like some kind of conspiracy...
I
Alain Sepeda wrote:
there are case where communities of scientist were locked in groupthink,
> often locally because until recently science was not globally judged.
>
> N-Ray was very popular in french science.
> Wegener was very Impopular
> LENR is unpopular
>
Those are bad examples:
The N-Ra
Jed, you certainly have a right to your opinion and to express it. In the
case of LENR, there are well respected scientists in positions of power in
the US government that claim LENR doesn't exist - "it is bad science".
They say this either from being right (I don't think so personally), from
bein
there are case where communities of scientist were locked in groupthink,
often locally because until recently science was not globally judged.
N-Ray was very popular in french science.
Wegener was very Impopular
LENR is unpopular
What can lock people who seems honest is "Groupthink".
http://www.p
Bob Higgins wrote:
For fear of being branded a card carrying republican, I hate to comment on
> such topics. I believe the "global warming movement" is a false flag -
> just another lie being broadcast as propaganda to achieve some government's
> pet objective.
>
Scientists often do rotten thin
For fear of being branded a card carrying republican, I hate to comment on
such topics. I believe the "global warming movement" is a false flag -
just another lie being broadcast as propaganda to achieve some government's
pet objective. It is not that I don't believe the earth is warming - I
do.
Jed,
I voted for you.
This is what I wrote my local paper. I didn't mention LENR because they
have published a number of my pieces on the subject already.
Adrian
To the Times.
The Paris climate accord means little beyond others saying they agreed
with President Obama's opinion. The agreem
Calling all cold fusion flacks!
I added a comment to this article at 10:15 (that's how you can find it). I
would appreciate up-votes to make it more visible:
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/14/opinion/hope-from-paris.html
- Jed
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