At 01:50 pm 25/08/2005 -0500, Harry wrote:
> So far Yahoo has only allowed me to download a few pages from your paper.
I must confess I never had any problems downloading stuff from Yahoo sites.
Perhaps someone was downloading stuff at the same time. If you keep having
problems let me know and I
Frank Grimer wrote:
>>
>> The same criticism could apply to your notions of
>> negative and positive mass.
>
> Absolutely 8-). You are so right. 8-)
>
> I am using a conventional datum cos there is only so much
> cognitive dissonance that people can cope with at one sitting.
>
> As I have p
Grimer wrote..
I've been puzzling over how Hutchison manages to
get such spectacular effects from his claimed
relatively small energy input.
It occurs to me that a vortex ring (VR) is a
combination of a B-atm. expansion strain energy
(negative energy)and a B-atm. contraction strain
energy (posi
> From: Terry Blanton
Sorry for the double posts. Itchy trigger finger.
> From: "RC Macaulay"
> Thanks for the link on the Cooper River Bridge.. a work of art and
> engineering.Presume you had a hand in design hopefully.
Being in communications my participation is usually limited to CCTV and other
systems.
My friend said that although the CRB cost two years worth
> From: "RC Macaulay"
> Thanks for the link on the Cooper River Bridge.. a work of art and
> engineering.Presume you had a hand in design hopefully.
Being in communications my participation is usually limited to CCTV and other
systems.
My friend said that although the CRB cost two years worth
I've been puzzling over how Hutchison manages to
get such spectacular effects from his claimed
relatively small energy input.
It occurs to me that a vortex ring (VR) is a
combination of a B-atm. expansion strain energy
(negative energy)and a B-atm. contraction strain
energy (positive energy).
At 08:13 pm 24/08/2005 -0400, you wrote:
>
> Well, I didn't quite get all the pages downloaded before I
> peaked the group's bandwidth limit. What *is* a group's
> limit on Yahoo?
Dunno - It's never worried me - I'm a patient man.
One has to be when one pioneers new concepts.
>
> I'll finis
ew my mind.
Richard
- Original Message -
From: "Terry Blanton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 7:13 PM
Subject: Re: Beta-atmosphere and the Cavity Magnetron
From: Grimer
I intend to OCR them as a simple text file or .pdf at some point
> From: Grimer
> I intend to OCR them as a simple text file or .pdf at some point -
> but in view of the very controversial nature of the arguments a
> scan of the original documents has the advantage of showing that
> they were actually accepted for publication and that I'm not
> trying to pe
At 05:25 pm 24/08/2005 -0400, Terry wrote:
>> From: Grimer
>
>> I would be the last person they would tell as you will
>> understand if you read the Files section on the
>> Beta-atmosphere Yahoo site.
>
> Yes, I am doing so. 280 kBytes per page is a bit big.
> You should convert them to .pdf
At 03:42 pm 24/08/2005 -0400, you wrote:
>> From: Grimer
>
>> ==
>> GRIMER, F.J. and R.E.HEWITT. The form of the
>> stress-strain curve of concrete interpreted
>> with a di-phase concept of material behaviour.
>
> My Civil Engineer
> From: Grimer
> I would be the last person they would tell as you will
> understand if you real the Files section on the
> Beta-atmosphere Yahoo site.
Yes, I am doing so. 280 kBytes per page is a bit big. You should convert them
to .pdf files.
And you're exactly right about the safety fact
At 02:39 pm 24/08/2005 -0500, you wrote:
>Frank Grimer,
>
>Last week I tried a new setting on my spam filter
>which had the undesirable effect of blocking email from the vortex list.
>I have now read your Aug. 19 post in the vortex archives on the meaning of
>neutral mass.
>
>
>Grimer wrote:
>
>>
> From: Grimer
> ==
> GRIMER, F.J. and R.E.HEWITT. The form of the
> stress-strain curve of concrete interpreted
> with a di-phase concept of material behaviour.
My Civil Engineer coworker said that the formulas for post stress co
Frank Grimer,
Last week I tried a new setting on my spam filter
which had the undesirable effect of blocking email from the vortex list.
I have now read your Aug. 19 post in the vortex archives on the meaning of
neutral mass.
Grimer wrote:
> At 12:47 pm 24/08/2005 -0500, you wrote:
>> Michael
At 12:47 pm 24/08/2005 -0500, you wrote:
>Michael Huffman wrote:
>
>> Grimer wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> You could have added Casimir pressure for good measure. 8-)
>>>
>>> My preferred term is Beta-atmosphere since I find the analogy
>>> with atmospheric pressure useful - and it arises naturally if
>>>
Michael Huffman wrote:
> Grimer wrote:
>
>>
>> You could have added Casimir pressure for good measure. 8-)
>>
>> My preferred term is Beta-atmosphere since I find the analogy
>> with atmospheric pressure useful - and it arises naturally if
>> one starts one's analysis with sands and clays whi
The following excerpt suggest that the Vort member,
George Hathaway, personally witnessed some of the
Hutchison Effect phenomena. It will be interesting
to see precisely what it was that he witnessed and
what he believes the underlying cause to be - if he
is willing to testify, that is - and
Grimer wrote..
I would welcome any other constructive suggestions
that Vorts might come up with.
No you don't Frank, you don't get off that easy after teasing my brain.
Now consider a simple toy gyroscope, the type housed within a ring cage
that has a small ball base which permits the thing
Well, Vorts, I have been revisiting the Hutchinson
Effect and have been very chuffed over what I have
found.
The phenomena described below - the "lift" - the
"lateral" propulsion - " twisting spiral movement"
the "looping arc" are all exactly the motions one
might expect from objects hit by a Bet
Didn't used to have that problem in a sailplane ;-)
- Original Message -
From: "Terry Blanton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 12:55 AM
Subject: Re: Beta-atmosphere and the Cavity Magnetron
> There was one in Chicago. But it wasn't a
> From: Grimer
> I seem to remember there was a case where the plane flipped
> upside down but I haven't been able to find that one.
There was one in Chicago. But it wasn't a vortex - the engine fell off on one
side.
I've found a rather spectacular example of a vortex crash.
http://www.avweb.com/other/us427vue.html
USAir 427:
One Accident, Three Views
On September 8, 1994, USAir Flight 427, a Boeing 737-300
on a scheduled flight from Chicago to P
At 07:31:44 on 22 Aug 2005 07:31:44 John Harris wrote:-
> Hi Frank,
> Back in the 70's I used to fly Gliders (sailplanes) out of Gawler in South
> Australia under the flightpath of the Edinborough Airforce Base. It used to
> get quite exciting when one was at the 1900ft ceiling and the caribou's
At 08:49 am 22/08/2005 -0400, you wrote:
>> From: Grimer
>
>> I was interested to note that Shoulders co-authored a paper with
>> Jack Sarfatti.
>>
>> Mmm.A way out thinker if ever there was one, if my google search
>> on him is anything to go by.
>
>He was normal until he got the phone ca
after they where
generated - I have flown into them at least 10Km behind the generating
aircraft.
Regards
JohnH
- Original Message -
From: "Grimer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 9:43 PM
Subject: Re: Beta-atmosphere and the Cavity Magnetron
At 06:58 am 22/08/2005 +0100, Frank wrote:
>
>The first sentence of Shoulders "The Ugly" section reads,
>
> =
> I think Hell has not a clue as to the fury of a bunch
> of electrons suddenly unleashed.
> =
> From: Grimer
> I was interested to note that Shoulders co-authored a paper with
> Jack Sarfatti.
>
> Mmm.A way out thinker if ever there was one, if my google search
> on him is anything to go by.
He was normal until he got the phone call from Valis:
http://www.disinfo.com/site/displa
Frank, are you working towards saying that the "active areas" in "good"
samples of cold fusion cathodes may be beta atmosphere "cavities" in the
lattice that use ambient heat or sound vibration to generate colossal beta
pressure and thereby fuse the entrained deuterium? I hadn't understood much
At 06:58 am 22/08/2005 +0100, Frank wrote:
>At 05:13 am 22/08/2005 +0100, Frank wrote:
>
>
>
>Ain't Google wonderful 8-). I put - Shoulders EVO - in and
>straight away the article I was thinking of came up as the
>first of 18,500. The URL is,
>
>http://www.svn.net/krscfs/The%20Good%20The%20Bad%
At 05:13 am 22/08/2005 +0100, Frank wrote:
>Once one realises that one is dealing with a real
>atmosphere then all sorts of interesting possibilities
>arise - like creating closed vortices -
>Beta-atmosphere smoke rings in other words.
>
>There is a wonderful Royal Institution demonstration
>o
At 05:22 pm 21/08/2005 -0500, Richard wrote:
> Grimer wrote..
>> Do you remember the water based vacuum pumps one used
>> in chemistry class - the ones where a constrained jet
>> of water passes though and sucks air out of the connected
>> vacuum apparatus.
> Obviously Frank has been examin
Grimer wrote..
>Since the Beta-atmosphere is a doppelganger of the Alpha-atmosphere
there is no reason why one should not construct a cavity magnetron
equivalent for the Alpha-atmosphere using air - or even a cavity
magnetron equivalent for the Alpha-Beta overlap using water.
Immediately one
At 10:42 pm 20/08/2005 +0200, Knuke wrote:
> Grimer wrote:
>
>> The ideas are certainly not in danger of straining *your* brain.
>> Jones and Horace seemed to manage OK.
> Yeah Ok, I usually strain my noodle about a minute after it comes to a
> boil, then I recall the exhortations of my parents
Since the Beta-atmosphere is a doppelganger of the
Alpha-atmosphere there is no reason why one should
not construct a cavity magnetron equivalent for the
Alpha-atmosphere using air - or even a cavity
magnetron equivalent for the Alpha-Beta overlap using
water.
Immediately one thinks along th
Grimer wrote:
The ideas are certainly not in danger of straining *your* brain.
Jones and Horace seemed to manage OK.
Yeah Ok, I usually strain my noodle about a minute after it comes to a
boil, then I recall the exhortations of my parents to use it, and I
reluctantly attempt to do so. I th
At 06:12 pm 20/08/2005 +0200, you wrote:
>Grimer wrote:
>
>>
>> You could have added Casimir pressure for good measure. 8-)
>>
>> My preferred term is Beta-atmosphere since I find the analogy
>> with atmospheric pressure useful - and it arises naturally if
>> one starts one's analysis with sa
> From: Jones Beene
> I have seen the figure of 70% eff for the oven-type
> units, but do not have a handy reference.
Never mind, I found plenty. Sure seems to be a lot of heat coming from my
microwave oven magnetron. I gues no one has really done the calorimetry.
BTW, I am struck by the gra
Grimer wrote:
You could have added Casimir pressure for good measure. 8-)
My preferred term is Beta-atmosphere since I find the analogy
with atmospheric pressure useful - and it arises naturally if
one starts one's analysis with sands and clays which are held
together by Alpha-atmospheric
--- Terry Blanton wrote from Fran Grimers interesting
thoughts on the cavity magnetron
> A cursory google does not return the COP of a
> magnetron. Has anyone seen it measured?
I have seen the figure of 70% eff for the oven-type
units, but do not have a handy reference. The main
losses are c
At 10:12 am 20/08/2005 -0400, Terry wrote:
>> From: Grimer
>
>> Interestingly enough the other night I was watching a
>> programme on Michael Faraday (whose house I pass by
>> every Sunday morning).
> How inspiring that must be!
>> It will be interesting to find out if anyone else can
>> se
> From: Terry Blanton
> A cursory google does not return the COP of a magnetron. Has anyone seen it
> measured?
I have found several webpages which say that the microwave conversion
efficiency is up to 78%. There's no mention of the heat given off.
> From: Grimer
> In February of 1940, the English researchers tested
> their first working cavity magnetron. They were amazed
> to find that it produced over 400 watts of power at
> the extremely short wavelength of 9.8 cm (about 4 inches).
> This was nearly a hundred
> From: Grimer
> Interestingly enough the other night I was watching a
> programme on Michael Faraday (whose house I pass by
> every Sunday morning).
How inspiring that must be!
> It will be interesting to find out if anyone else can
> see what I have seen.
Bien sûr! But, do you distinguish
This thread really follows on from
"The Secret of Sonoluminescence" thread.
Any Vort coming new to this post really ought to read
"The Secret..." first in order to properly follow the argument.
For anyone not familiar with the workings of a cavity
magnetron, there is a very clear article on it
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