On Thu, 14 Jan 2010, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote:
They are selling mystery. Call it entertainment. Have a few hundred dollars
If Steorn was an old prospector in a southwestern tavern, he'd be selling
pieces of his treasure map to the marks. (And everyone gets the same
piece, of course!)
At 03:02 PM 1/14/2010, Terry Blanton wrote:
Somehow Steorn must measure the torque or have the motor perform work,
eg lift a weight, pump water, etc. But they seem to have a basic lack
of understanding of this fact.
This is quite the response that Steorn wants from people who realize
the
At 03:38 PM 1/14/2010, Jed Rothwell wrote:
In politics, business and consulting, many people make a good living
by obfuscation and sewing confusion.
I like that. Sewing. They stitch it together rather than tossing
seeds in the ground.
JLN wondering about being able to cancel backemf:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=veoRZh0GTkQ
video description: Here an interesting experiment which shows that Back EMF
exist and can be measured and also CANCELED in the toroïdal stator coils.
You will notice that the position where the Back EMF is
iPoni sent dis message. Esa Ruoho wrote it.
On 14 Jan 2010, at 06:07, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com
wrote:
At 05:45 PM 1/13/2010, Terry Blanton . He claims that the energy
output is greater than the input, but he says that again and again
without showing a measurement of
iPoni sent dis message. Esa Ruoho wrote it.
On 14 Jan 2010, at 06:07, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com
wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/user/SteornOfficial#p/u/0/bzcZDr1AcEU
The set of videos is too long for me to watch now. But my immediate
impression.
Tl;dw is a great way to
From Abd:
...
Okay, I kept watching. Questioner asked why they weren't using
capacitors instead of a battery, for all the reasons we discussed.
And the answer was essentially to first give a bullshit answer, that
a capacitor couldn't supply the instantaneous current needed. Put
enough
On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 9:11 AM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
orionwo...@charter.net wrote:
Steorn deserves to give its audience a more thorough explanation. I hope it
is forth coming.
I seriously doubt it since the statement is false. IIRC, he said that
the capacitor was too slow in
On 01/12/2010 10:49 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
On 01/12/2010 06:29 PM, Terry Blanton wrote:
On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 4:05 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com wrote:
The field of a permanent magnet must be either anchored in the magnet's
material, or knotted around part of the
From Terry:
Steorn deserves to give its audience a more thorough explanation
[in regards to why Steorn used a battery instead of a capacitor.]
I hope it is forth coming.
I seriously doubt it since the statement is false. IIRC, he said that
the capacitor was too slow in current delivery.
On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 14:57:17 -0600
OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote:
Unfortunately for the rest of us who are
languishing in the peanut gallery, I fear we will have to wait very
VERY long time before anything of substance is revealed.
McCarthy says that calorimetry
Abd wrote:
And the answer was essentially to first give a bullshit answer, that a
capacitor couldn't supply
the instantaneous current needed. Put enough capacitance in there and you
could vaporize the
conductors if you shorted it.
According to Sean, its not a matter of having enough
I have stayed away from the Steorn discussion, but I have now looked a
Naudin's device and looked at the presentation on YouTube. I have also spent
time with the Newumann machine cotroversy, and dug deeply into the Correa
PAGD device and looked at the Testatika publications, including hearing a
On 01/14/2010 11:46 AM, Mark Iverson wrote:
Abd wrote:
And the answer was essentially to first give a bullshit answer, that a
capacitor couldn't supply
the instantaneous current needed. Put enough capacitance in there and you
could vaporize the
conductors if you shorted it.
At 03:07 AM 1/14/2010, Esa Ruoho wrote:
At 05:45 PM 1/13/2010, Terry Blanton . He claims that the energy
output is greater than the input, but he says that again and again
without showing a measurement of this. Next week, he says.
So, Abd, do you even know what happens next week? They open it
At 03:11 AM 1/14/2010, Esa Ruoho wrote:
On 14 Jan 2010, at 06:07, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
mailto:a...@lomaxdesign.coma...@lomaxdesign.com wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/user/SteornOfficial#p/u/0/bzcZDr1AcEUhttp://www.youtube.com/user/SteornOfficial#p/u/0/bzcZDr1AcEU
The set of videos is too long
From Abd:
Tl;dw is a great way to go. I give you a WTG for this one,
possibly followed by a few other acronyms, which I dislike,
such as LOL and OMG Even I had the time to watch
the live presentation, and I can't finish most documentaries
or even a song.
The writer here violated his
The Orbo is a motor as I am sure we will all agree. In order for the
motor to be OU, it must be outputting more mechanical energy than
electrical energy it consumes.
Somehow Steorn must measure the torque or have the motor perform work,
eg lift a weight, pump water, etc. But they seem to have a
Terry Blanton wrote:
Somehow Steorn must measure the torque or have the motor perform work,
eg lift a weight, pump water, etc. But they seem to have a basic lack
of understanding of this fact.
Or, they understand it perfectly well but they don't want to do that
because they are in the
From Terry:
The Orbo is a motor as I am sure we will all agree.
In order for the motor to be OU, it must be outputting
more mechanical energy than electrical energy it consumes.
Somehow Steorn must measure the torque or have the motor
perform work, eg lift a weight, pump water, etc. But
On 01/14/2010 03:02 PM, Terry Blanton wrote:
The Orbo is a motor as I am sure we will all agree. In order for the
motor to be OU, it must be outputting more mechanical energy than
electrical energy it consumes.
Not exactly -- not the way the term has been used to describe the Steorn
motor.
No, it does some mechanical work, it's spinning. It is overcoming
bearing friction and wind friction. No doubt it is performing
mechanical work. But to be OU, it must perform more mechanical work
than electrical input. But the freakin' motor would not work without
magnetic floating bearings.
- Original Message
From: OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Thu, January 14, 2010 10:31:34 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:steorn talk#2 today at 5pm irish time + closeup shots of
steorn talk#2 demo-rig
From Terry:
Steorn deserves
At 01:03 PM 1/14/2010, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote:
Nevertheless, you state at the very beginning that you didn't have
enough time to watch the show in its entirety. Let me reiterate: It is
in fact the first thing you tell your readers.
While, in a sense, you are taking advantage of
On Jan 12, 2010, at 6:49 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
On 01/12/2010 06:29 PM, Terry Blanton wrote:
On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 4:05 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence
sa...@pobox.com wrote:
[And by the way I'd still love to see a sketch of the field of the
toroidal magnetic cores, if anyone happens
From: Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tue, January 12, 2010 1:15:34 PM
On 01/12/2010 12:34 PM, Esa Ruoho wrote:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/79138...@n00/4268789755/
First slide:
However certain components (such as the magnets used)
store energy, to prove
On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 5:15 PM, Harry Veeder hlvee...@yahoo.com wrote:
I haven't been following the steorn demo. Did he actually replace the magnets
as part of his demo?
Not yet. He has 2 more demos to go.
Here is 1 of 5 youtube vids:
At 05:45 PM 1/13/2010, Terry Blanton wrote:
Here is 1 of 5 youtube vids:
http://www.youtube.com/user/SteornOfficial#p/u/0/bzcZDr1AcEU
The set of videos is too long for me to watch now. But my immediate impression.
The demonstrations are technically far more complex, they *look* much
better.
http://www.scene.org/~esa/merlib/orbo-cop.png
On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 2:51 PM, Esa Ruoho esaru...@gmail.com wrote:
spotted these on the steornofficial flickr site
http://www.flickr.com/photos/steornofficial/4266704511/sizes/o/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/steornofficial/4266693651/sizes/o/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/79138...@n00/4268789755/
On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 7:26 PM, Esa Ruoho esaru...@gmail.com wrote:
http://www.scene.org/~esa/merlib/orbo-cop.pnghttp://www.scene.org/%7Eesa/merlib/orbo-cop.png
On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 2:51 PM, Esa Ruoho esaru...@gmail.com wrote:
On 01/12/2010 12:34 PM, Esa Ruoho wrote:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/79138...@n00/4268789755/
First slide:
However certain components (such as the magnets used)
store energy, to prove over unity we must prove that the
energy of these components does not degrade during the
interaction.
As
From Stephen:
...
Sure, you can ruin magnets in a motor, but that's not at
all the same as *making* *use* of the magnetic field of the
magnets as it degrades -- i.e., loss of magnetization is always
just an artifact, never something vital to the motor's
operation.
I'm a little confused
http://freeorbo.wordpress.com/2010/01/12/cop_live/
On Jan 12, 2010, at 9:15 AM, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
On 01/12/2010 12:34 PM, Esa Ruoho wrote:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/79138...@n00/4268789755/
First slide:
However certain components (such as the magnets used)
store energy, to prove over unity we must prove that the
energy of
The biggest energy cost in creating a NdFeBo magnet is in the great
and rapid thermal shifts required in sintering the material. The
energy expended in the actual domain alignment is infinitesimal in
comparison.
From: Esa
http://freeorbo.wordpress.com/2010/01/12/cop_live/
Excerpt:
11:44 Question: Why aren’t product developers jumping up
and down?
Answer [Sean?]: They are. Ever since Dec. 15th people are
knocking their doors down. Licenses open on February 1st,
we’ll see how many developers are
the whole talk:
http://jandemooij.nl/temp/steorn/20100112%20cam1.flv
http://jandemooij.nl/temp/steorn/20100112%20cam3.flv
and in case they get removed, just zoom to
http://www.scene.org/~esa/merlib/steorntalk2
maybe these are better and more useful
Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ib9u811WXJU
Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TtKHo9dKHtQ
Part 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gTyS_RKLXc
Part 4: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSa-Mcd24Ac
(think its valid to post these here, cos last
On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 4:05 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com wrote:
[And by the way I'd still love to see a sketch of the field of the
toroidal magnetic cores, if anyone happens to have a link to one (don't
spend a lot of your time searching the Steorn site for a diagram, tho,
On Tue, 12 Jan 2010, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
Certainly if a motor were demonstrated which genuinely converted the
field of the permanent magnets into kinetic energy, while draining
their magnetism, it would be nearly as remarkable as a true OU motor.
NIB supermagnets can be demagnetized by
On 01/12/2010 06:29 PM, Terry Blanton wrote:
On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 4:05 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com wrote:
[And by the way I'd still love to see a sketch of the field of the
toroidal magnetic cores, if anyone happens to have a link to one (don't
spend a lot of your time
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