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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Full BGP on RouterOS
Hardware redundancy, wire speed packet forwarding, support for more
Interface types, and more widely tested stable software.
I'll use a MikroTik, Linux, or BSD box as an aggregation router any day;
terminate some VLANs, act
RapidDSL Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Full BGP on RouterOS
I think one
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2010 9:44 AM
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This is exactly what I am concerned with.
Things breaking
: Wednesday, November 03, 2010 3:51 PM
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On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 1:04 AM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net
wrote:
Note: Quagga has been very reliable for quite some time now. Imagestream
and
Vyatta both use Quagga. Both are great choices
On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 11:42 AM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists
jeffl...@att.net wrote:
Hi Rubens,
We've found Quagga to be rock solid with the typical application which is
under a dozen peers.
We did add a patch to prevent the never-emptying work queue backlog problem
when multiple peers flap at
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Behalf Of Blake Covarrubias
Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2010 6:45 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Full BGP on RouterOS
Jeff,
VXRs and down. Not GSR's and up. I wasn't entirely clear in my last message.
Like Travis I
For what it's worth, RouterOS 4.13 installed on the SuperMicro 5015A-H
without a hitch (CF in a flash reader w/ netinstall). It actually
booted on 2.9.50 (old flash), but lacked network interfaces. The
performance difference between the P3 800 and the Atom 330 was minimal
(as it relates to BGP
:37 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Full BGP on RouterOS
Tom,
I agree that Linux works very well as a router, but it still doesn't
compare to a dedicated hardware platform (like Cisco) that was built
from the ground up to do nothing but routing. We purchased a used Cisco
12008 router about 1.5 years
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From: Travis Johnson t...@ida.net
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Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2010 11:37 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Full BGP on RouterOS
Tom,
I agree that Linux works very well as a router, but it still doesn't
compare to a dedicated hardware platform
Our MikroTik BGP router keeps crashing about once every month or
so...sometimes sooner, sometimes later. We are using full BGP tables
and 4.11 currently.
Heard on Mikrotik forums 4.10 is more stable for BGP. When it crashes
are there warning signs like high memory or CPU usage?
We had problems with 4.10 and went back to 4.3 and all is well.
Haven't had a reason to upgrade to 4.11 but we'll probably just move
straight to 5.0.
On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 7:59 AM, Matt lm7...@gmail.com wrote:
Our MikroTik BGP router keeps crashing about once every month or
so...sometimes
We had problems with 4.10 and went back to 4.3 and all is well.
Haven't had a reason to upgrade to 4.11 but we'll probably just move
straight to 5.0.
Heard from Mikrotik on forums that lookups with BGP could be related
to OSPF and its fixed in v4.13 and latest v5RC. My understanding the
OSPF
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Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2010 11:37 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Full BGP on RouterOS
Tom,
I agree that Linux works very well as a router, but it still doesn't
compare to a dedicated hardware platform
...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2010 11:37 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Full BGP on RouterOS
Tom,
I agree that Linux works very well as a router, but it still doesn't
compare to a dedicated hardware platform
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*On Behalf Of *Travis Johnson
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Tom,
I agree that Linux works very well as a router, but it still doesn't
compare
PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Full BGP on RouterOS
Tom,
I agree that Linux works very well as a router, but it still doesn't
compare to a dedicated hardware platform (like Cisco) that was built
from the ground up to do nothing but routing. We purchased a used Cisco
On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 1:04 AM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote:
Note: Quagga has been very reliable for quite some time now. Imagestream and
Vyatta both use Quagga. Both are great choices for BGP routers.
Although it's a different scenario, the IXP folks beg to differ about
Quagga
-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Blake Covarrubias
Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2010 11:31 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Full BGP on RouterOS
Hardware redundancy, wire speed packet forwarding, support for more
Interface types, and more widely
rube...@gmail.com
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Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2010 3:51 PM
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On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 1:04 AM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net
wrote:
Note: Quagga has been very reliable for quite some time now. Imagestream
.
Regards,
Jeff
ImageStream
800-813-5123 x106
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Behalf Of Blake Covarrubias
Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2010 11:31 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Full BGP on RouterOS
Hardware redundancy, wire
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Of Blake Covarrubias
Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2010 11:31 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Full BGP on RouterOS
Hardware redundancy, wire speed packet forwarding, support for more Interface
Listwireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2010 11:37 PM
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Tom,
I agree that Linux works very well as a router, but it still doesn't
compare to a dedicated hardware platform (like Cisco) that was built
from the ground up to do nothing but routing. We
I think one of the main differences is BGP failover. With one box,
your BGP session never drops. With two distinct servers, the session
will drop and the second router will start it up. Then, when the
primary comes back online, the session will drop again and restart.
] On Behalf
Of Blake Covarrubias
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Full BGP on RouterOS
Hardware redundancy, wire speed packet forwarding, support for more Interface
types, and more widely tested stable software.
I'll use a MikroTik, Linux, or BSD
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Of Blake Covarrubias
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Full BGP on RouterOS
Hardware redundancy, wire speed packet forwarding, support for more Interface
types, and more widely tested stable
Wireless Broadband
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To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2010 9:10 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Full BGP on RouterOS
I think one of the main differences is BGP failover. With one
On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 1:04 AM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote:
Note: Quagga has been very reliable for quite some time now. Imagestream and
Vyatta both use Quagga. Both are great choices for BGP routers.
Although it's a different scenario, the IXP folks beg to differ about
On Wed, 2010-11-03 at 19:53 -0600, Travis Johnson wrote:
Having two routers talking to each other is not the same as a single
router with redundant parts. I can pull the CPU card from my Cisco and
the box never misses a single packet because the 2nd CPU card is in
the same box. Same with the
On Wed, 2010-11-03 at 19:54 -0600, Travis Johnson wrote:
And, many of us in the middle of nowhere are still getting upstream
links via telco circuits (such as OC3 and OC12). How do you terminate
an OC12 into two separate boxes to run VRRP? You don't.
THIS is a more sensible argument. The
...@wispa.org
wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Blake Covarrubias
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Full BGP on RouterOS
Hardware redundancy, wire speed packet forwarding, support for more Interface
types, and more widely tested
Although it's a different scenario, the IXP folks beg to differ about
Quagga reliability. When the number of peers is high, it flops
miserably. Some of them moved to OpenBGPd, some of them to BIRD
(http://bird.network.cz). None of them moved to XORP, Mikrotik's
choice (and Vyatta's prior to
11:26 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Full BGP on RouterOS
Powercode's MAXX does that...or so they say. I believe ImageStream says they
can do this too.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 9:53 PM
Then you move the cards into the spare chassis you have sitting 3ft
away in another rack and boot up and go... :)
However, I have NEVER heard of a Cisco 12000 series backplane failing.
EVER. Can't say that for an X86 based anything... they fail all the
time... cards, system boards, processors,
-
*From:* Josh Luthman mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
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*Sent:* Wednesday, November 03, 2010 11:26 PM
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Full BGP on RouterOS
Powercode's MAXX does that...or so they say. I believe
ImageStream says they can do
On Wed, 2010-11-03 at 22:59 -0600, Travis Johnson wrote:
Then you move the cards into the spare chassis you have sitting 3ft
away in another rack and boot up and go... :)
My only point was that all that redundancy, which I think is a GOOD
thing, is only redundant to a point. At some point in
From: Kristian Hoffmann kh...@fire2wire.com
Sent: Friday, October 29, 2010 11:50 AM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] Full BGP on RouterOS
Hi,
Does anyone have 1-2 full BGP routing tables on a MikroTik router? If
so, what kind of hardware
We have two full tables running on mikrotik, in two different locations.
Running that command
/ip route print count-only where bgp-as-path=1234
Replacing the AS with 33363 (local cable company).
Doesn't work on either of our routers for some reason (MT 5.0rc1 or 4.4).
I don't suppose
x106
*From*: Kristian Hoffmann kh...@fire2wire.com
*Sent*: Friday, October 29, 2010 11:50 AM
*To*: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
*Subject*: [WISPA] Full BGP on RouterOS
Hi,
Does anyone have 1-2 full BGP routing
: Re: [WISPA] Full BGP on RouterOS
Hi Nick,
How stable has the Mikrotik been running full BGP with the two providers ?
(I read about a memory leak issues, is that why you are using 5.0rc1 ?) We
have been considering getting a Mikrotik for such use.
Thanks.
Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet Telecom
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*To*: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
*Subject*: [WISPA] Full BGP on RouterOS
Hi,
Does anyone have 1-2
Our MikroTik BGP router keeps crashing about once every month or
so...sometimes sooner, sometimes later. We are using full BGP tables
and 4.11 currently.
When it crashes does it reboot itself?
WISPA Wants You!
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2010 9:11 AM
To: n...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Full BGP on RouterOS
Hi Nick,
How stable has the Mikrotik been running
wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Full BGP on RouterOS
This is exactly what I am concerned with.
Things breaking once in a while is not an issue..
Things breaking once every month or few weeks is not going to be
acceptable from our users..
Trying to determine if this is a 'feature
General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Full BGP on RouterOS
This is exactly what I am concerned with.
Things breaking once in a while is not an issue..
Things breaking once every month or few weeks is not going to be
acceptable from our users..
Trying to determine
List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Full BGP on RouterOS
Look into Imagestream for BGP. Very stable and less expensive than
Cisco. IMHO you want something running the edge of your network to have
support and software updates. If you go with Cisco plan on the extra
expense of Smartnet.
Having
...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2010 9:11 AM
To: n...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Full BGP on RouterOS
Hi Nick,
How stable has the Mikrotik been running full BGP with the two providers ?
(I read about a memory leak
: [WISPA] Full BGP on RouterOS
This is exactly what I am concerned with.
Things breaking once in a while is not an issue..
Things breaking once every month or few weeks is not going to be acceptable
from our users..
Trying to determine if this is a 'feature' or a short term 'bug'.
Cisco's
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2010 9:11 AM
To: n...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Full BGP on RouterOS
Hi Nick,
How stable has the Mikrotik been
: [WISPA] Full BGP on RouterOS
We use MT BGP internally on our network; not full feeds. 1400 routes on
one server. Works great for that; no reliability issues in every day
operation. No problems with 12 month uptimes. I have seen some minor
issues in 3.30 where if you remove a peer prior to disabling
: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2010 9:11 AM
To: n...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Full BGP on RouterOS
Hi Nick,
How stable has the Mikrotik been running full
Broadwick
ImageStream
800-813-5123 x106
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of jp
Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2010 11:35 AM
To: fai...@snappydsl.net; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Full BGP on RouterOS
We use MT BGP internally on our
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2010 12:11 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Full BGP on RouterOS
Hi Jeff,
Glad to see you jump into this..
Would you feel comfortable is sharing what Model Image Stream will do
the following
No, we have to hard reboot it.
Regards,
Chuck
On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 10:39 AM, Matt lm7...@gmail.com wrote:
Our MikroTik BGP router keeps crashing about once every month or
so...sometimes sooner, sometimes later. We are using full BGP tables
and 4.11 currently.
When it crashes does it
No, we have to hard reboot it.
Regards,
What kind of hardware is it running on? Have you checked memory?
On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 10:39 AM, Matt lm7...@gmail.com wrote:
Our MikroTik BGP router keeps crashing about once every month or
so...sometimes sooner, sometimes later. We are using full
Although a P3 800 is not something we could call powerful these days,
what you've seen is connected to software, not hardware. Since
Mikrotik replaced Quagga with XORP in ROS 3.x, a good number of users
report minutes of high CPU in a full-routing environment. Does not
happen for everyone, but
I'll fill in some more details for Chuck..
We started out on a RB1000 with a single bgp peer. All worked fine for
a long time.
We then added a second bgp peer and switched to full tables tables and
it started leaking memory and would lock after a few weeks to a couple
months of running. After
On Tue, Nov 02, 2010 at 05:23:40PM -0400, Gerard Dupont wrote:
I have another x86 system that I think I'm going to load freebsd on it
and just run Quagga. I don't want to spend the money on a cisco to
handle 3+ full bgp feeds and 300+mbit of traffic.
bsdrp.org? or a full FreeBSD install?
I
On Tue, 2010-11-02 at 18:52 -0500, Scott Lambert wrote:
I still need to try a Vyatta system.
I loathe the idea of managing a *nix distro on a router (which is why we
use RouterOS now). Apparently I've had too much Tik-aid, because I had
completely forgotten about Vyatta and similar options.
Image stream, excellent price and support
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Kristian Hoffmann
Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2010 5:37 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Full BGP on RouterOS
On Tue, 2010-11-02
On 11/02/2010 08:37 PM, Kristian Hoffmann wrote:
On Tue, 2010-11-02 at 18:52 -0500, Scott Lambert wrote:
I still need to try a Vyatta system.
I loathe the idea of managing a *nix distro on a router (which is why we
use RouterOS now). Apparently I've had too much Tik-aid, because
] On
Behalf Of jp
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To: fai...@snappydsl.net; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Full BGP on RouterOS
We use MT BGP internally on our network; not full feeds. 1400 routes on
one server. Works great for that; no reliability issues in every day
operation
On 11/02/2010 05:37 PM, Kristian Hoffmann wrote:
On Tue, 2010-11-02 at 18:52 -0500, Scott Lambert wrote:
I have a SuperMicro 5015A-H (Atom 330 dual-core) coming in tomorrow.
I'm going to try RouterOS and Vyatta and see how BGP responds on each
with a single feed. If anyone else has an
I've never heard of bsdrp before. I'll have to check it out. I was
planning on doing a full freebsd install.. I've been using FreeBSD for
10 years and it is my platform of choice.
Gerard
On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 7:52 PM, Scott Lambert lamb...@lambertfam.org wrote:
On Tue, Nov 02, 2010 at
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From: Kristian Hoffmann kh...@fire2wire.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2010 8:36 PM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Full BGP on RouterOS
On Tue, 2010-11-02 at 18:52 -0500, Scott Lambert wrote:
I still need to try
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From: Kristian Hoffmann kh...@fire2wire.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2010 8:37 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Full BGP on RouterOS
On Tue, 2010-11-02 at 18:52 -0500, Scott Lambert wrote:
I still need to try a Vyatta system.
I loathe the idea of managing
On Tue, Nov 02, 2010 at 06:13:19PM -0700, Charles N Wyble wrote:
On 11/02/2010 05:37 PM, Kristian Hoffmann wrote:
On Tue, 2010-11-02 at 18:52 -0500, Scott Lambert wrote:
I have a SuperMicro 5015A-H (Atom 330 dual-core) coming in tomorrow.
I'm going to try RouterOS and Vyatta and see how
On Tue, Nov 02, 2010 at 10:18:46PM -0400, Gerard Dupont wrote:
I've never heard of bsdrp before. I'll have to check it out. I was
planning on doing a full freebsd install.. I've been using FreeBSD for
10 years and it is my platform of choice.
bsdrp is nice in that they have a good nanobsd
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Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2010 8:37 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Full BGP on RouterOS
On Tue, 2010-11-02 at 18:52 -0500, Scott Lambert wrote:
I still need to try a Vyatta system.
I loathe the idea of managing a *nix distro on a router (which is why we
use
Hi,
Does anyone have 1-2 full BGP routing tables on a MikroTik router? If
so, what kind of hardware are you running. I'm testing a single feed on
a P3 800. It loads the routes fine, and seems to handle the routes in
stride (all 328659 of them), until you start poking at the routing table
We have full routes on two RB1000, it takes a couple of minuets with
high CPU before it finishes loading routes. As soon as there is a
path for traffic then it starts flowing without much, if any, delay on
traffic. I have not tried printing the routes at the terminal.
On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at
On Fri, 2010-10-29 at 08:51 -0700, Kristian Hoffmann wrote:
An AS that yielded 500 routes took 1-2 minutes at 100% CPU to complete.
Is this normal these days, or is significantly greater hardware in
order? I used to have a full feed on a Cisco 3640. It took 5-10
minutes to load all of the
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