Re: [zfs-discuss] Mirroring USB Drive with Laptop for Backup purposes

2010-05-14 Thread Ragnar Sundblad
On 12 maj 2010, at 22.39, Miles Nordin wrote: bh == Brandon High bh...@freaks.com writes: bh If you boot from usb and move your rpool from one port to bh another, you can't boot. If you plug your boot sata drive into bh a different port on the motherboard, you can't bh boot.

Re: [zfs-discuss] Mirroring USB Drive with Laptop for Backup purposes

2010-05-13 Thread Brandon High
On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 1:39 PM, Miles Nordin car...@ivy.net wrote: root pool.  It's only used for finding other pools.  ISTR the root pool is found through devid's that grub reads from the label on the BIOS device it picks, and then passes to the kernel.  note that Ok, that makes more sense

Re: [zfs-discuss] Mirroring USB Drive with Laptop for Backup purposes

2010-05-13 Thread Miles Nordin
bh == Brandon High bh...@freaks.com writes: bh The devid for a USB device must change as it moves from port bh to port. I guess it was tl;dr the first time I said this, but: the old theory was that a USB device does not get a devid because it is marked ``removeable'' in some arcane

Re: [zfs-discuss] Mirroring USB Drive with Laptop for Backup purposes

2010-05-12 Thread Ragnar Sundblad
On 10 maj 2010, at 20.04, Miles Nordin wrote: bh == Brandon High bh...@freaks.com writes: bh The drive should be on the same USB port because the device bh path is saved in the zpool.cache. If you removed the bh zpool.cache, it wouldn't matter where the drive was plugged bh

Re: [zfs-discuss] Mirroring USB Drive with Laptop for Backup purposes

2010-05-12 Thread Ragnar Sundblad
On 12 maj 2010, at 05.31, Brandon High wrote: On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 8:17 PM, Richard Elling richard.ell...@gmail.com wrote: boot single user and mv it (just like we've done for fstab/vfstab for the past 30+ years :-) It would be nice to have a grub menu item that ignores the cache, so

Re: [zfs-discuss] Mirroring USB Drive with Laptop for Backup purposes

2010-05-12 Thread Brandon High
On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 10:13 PM, Richard Elling richard.ell...@gmail.com wrote: But who needs usability? This is unix, man. I must have missed something.  For the past few years I have routinely booted with unimportable pools because I often use ramdisks.  Sure, I get FMA messages, but that

Re: [zfs-discuss] Mirroring USB Drive with Laptop for Backup purposes

2010-05-12 Thread Eduardo Bragatto
On May 12, 2010, at 3:23 AM, Brandon High wrote: On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 10:13 PM, Richard Elling richard.ell...@gmail.com wrote: But who needs usability? This is unix, man. I must have missed something. For the past few years I have routinely booted with unimportable pools because I

Re: [zfs-discuss] Mirroring USB Drive with Laptop for Backup purposes

2010-05-12 Thread Miles Nordin
bh == Brandon High bh...@freaks.com writes: bh If you boot from usb and move your rpool from one port to bh another, you can't boot. If you plug your boot sata drive into bh a different port on the motherboard, you can't bh boot. Apparently if you are missing a device from your

Re: [zfs-discuss] Mirroring USB Drive with Laptop for Backup purposes

2010-05-11 Thread Brandon High
On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 11:04 AM, Miles Nordin car...@ivy.net wrote: bh == Brandon High bh...@freaks.com writes:    bh The drive should be on the same USB port because the device    bh path is saved in the zpool.cache. If you removed the I thought it was supposed to go by devid. zpool.cache

Re: [zfs-discuss] Mirroring USB Drive with Laptop for Backup purposes

2010-05-11 Thread Richard Elling
On May 11, 2010, at 3:26 PM, Brandon High wrote: On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 11:04 AM, Miles Nordin car...@ivy.net wrote: bh == Brandon High bh...@freaks.com writes: bh The drive should be on the same USB port because the device bh path is saved in the zpool.cache. If you removed the I

Re: [zfs-discuss] Mirroring USB Drive with Laptop for Backup purposes

2010-05-11 Thread Brandon High
On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 8:17 PM, Richard Elling richard.ell...@gmail.com wrote: boot single user and mv it (just like we've done for fstab/vfstab for the past 30+ years :-) It would be nice to have a grub menu item that ignores the cache, so if you know you've removed a USB drive, you don't

Re: [zfs-discuss] Mirroring USB Drive with Laptop for Backup purposes

2010-05-11 Thread Richard Elling
On May 11, 2010, at 8:31 PM, Brandon High wrote: On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 8:17 PM, Richard Elling richard.ell...@gmail.com wrote: boot single user and mv it (just like we've done for fstab/vfstab for the past 30+ years :-) It would be nice to have a grub menu item that ignores the cache, so

Re: [zfs-discuss] Mirroring USB Drive with Laptop for Backup purposes

2010-05-10 Thread Matt Keenan
On 05/ 7/10 10:07 PM, Bill McGonigle wrote: On 05/07/2010 11:08 AM, Edward Ned Harvey wrote: I'm going to continue encouraging you to staying mainstream, because what people do the most is usually what's supported the best. If I may be the contrarian, I hope Matt keeps experimenting with

Re: [zfs-discuss] Mirroring USB Drive with Laptop for Backup purposes

2010-05-10 Thread Miles Nordin
bh == Brandon High bh...@freaks.com writes: bh The drive should be on the same USB port because the device bh path is saved in the zpool.cache. If you removed the bh zpool.cache, it wouldn't matter where the drive was plugged bh in. I thought it was supposed to go by devid.

Re: [zfs-discuss] Mirroring USB Drive with Laptop for Backup purposes

2010-05-07 Thread Matt Keenan
After some playing around I've noticed some kinks particularly around booting. Some scenarios : - Poweroff with USB drive connected or removed, Solaris will not boot unless USB drive is connected, and in some cases need to be attached to the exact same USB port when last attached. Is

Re: [zfs-discuss] Mirroring USB Drive with Laptop for Backup purposes

2010-05-07 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
From: Matt Keenan [mailto:matt...@opensolaris.org] After some playing around I've noticed some kinks particularly around booting. I'm going to continue encouraging you to staying mainstream, because what people do the most is usually what's supported the best. I think you'll have a more

Re: [zfs-discuss] Mirroring USB Drive with Laptop for Backup purposes

2010-05-07 Thread Brandon High
On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 2:51 AM, Matt Keenan matt...@opensolaris.org wrote: - Poweroff with USB drive connected or removed, Solaris will not boot unless USB drive is  connected, and in some cases need to be attached to the exact same USB port when last  attached. Is this a bug ? There's a

Re: [zfs-discuss] Mirroring USB Drive with Laptop for Backup purposes

2010-05-07 Thread Bill McGonigle
On 05/07/2010 11:08 AM, Edward Ned Harvey wrote: I'm going to continue encouraging you to staying mainstream, because what people do the most is usually what's supported the best. If I may be the contrarian, I hope Matt keeps experimenting with this, files bugs, and they get fixed. His use

Re: [zfs-discuss] Mirroring USB Drive with Laptop for Backup purposes

2010-05-07 Thread Markus Kovero
- Poweroff with USB drive connected or removed, Solaris will not boot unless USB drive is connected, and in some cases need to be attached to the exact same USB port when last attached. Is this a bug ? Possibly hitting this?

Re: [zfs-discuss] Mirroring USB Drive with Laptop for Backup purposes

2010-05-06 Thread Matt Keenan
Based on comments, some people say nay, some say yah. so I decided to give it a spin, and see how I get on. To make my mirror bootable I followed instructions posted here : http://www.taiter.com/blog/2009/04/opensolaris-200811-adding-disk.html I plan to do a quick write up myself of my

Re: [zfs-discuss] Mirroring USB Drive with Laptop for Backup purposes

2010-05-05 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Matt Keenan Just wondering whether mirroring a USB drive with main laptop disk for backup purposes is recommended or not. Plan would be to connect the USB drive, once or twice a week, let

Re: [zfs-discuss] Mirroring USB Drive with Laptop for Backup purposes

2010-05-05 Thread Glenn Lagasse
* Edward Ned Harvey (solar...@nedharvey.com) wrote: From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Matt Keenan Just wondering whether mirroring a USB drive with main laptop disk for backup purposes is recommended or not. Plan

Re: [zfs-discuss] Mirroring USB Drive with Laptop for Backup purposes

2010-05-05 Thread Carson Gaspar
Glenn Lagasse wrote: How about ease-of-use, all you have to do is plug in the usb disk and zfs will 'do the right thing'. You don't have to remember to run zfs send | zfs receive, or bother with figuring out what to send/recv etc etc etc. It should be possible to automate that via

Re: [zfs-discuss] Mirroring USB Drive with Laptop for Backup purposes

2010-05-05 Thread Daniel Carosone
On Wed, May 05, 2010 at 04:34:13PM -0400, Edward Ned Harvey wrote: The suggestion I would have instead, would be to make the external drive its own separate zpool, and then you can incrementally zfs send | zfs receive onto the external. I'd suggest doing both, to different destinations :)

Re: [zfs-discuss] Mirroring USB Drive with Laptop for Backup purposes

2010-05-05 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Wed, 5 May 2010, Edward Ned Harvey wrote: Here are the obstacles I think you'll have with your proposed solution: #1 I think all the entire used portion of the filesystem needs to resilver every time. I don't think there's any such thing as an incremental resilver. It sounds like you are

Re: [zfs-discuss] Mirroring USB Drive with Laptop for Backup purposes

2010-05-05 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Thu, 6 May 2010, Daniel Carosone wrote: That said, I'd also recommend a scrub on a regular basis, once the resilver has completed, and that will trawl through all the data and take all that time you were worried about anyway. For a 200G disk, full, over usb, I'd expect around 4-5 hours.

[zfs-discuss] Mirroring USB Drive with Laptop for Backup purposes

2010-05-04 Thread Matt Keenan
Hi, Just wondering whether mirroring a USB drive with main laptop disk for backup purposes is recommended or not. Current setup, single root pool set up on 200GB internal laptop drive : $ zpool status pool: rpool state: ONLINE scrub: non requested config : NAMESTATE

Re: [zfs-discuss] Mirroring USB Drive with Laptop for Backup purposes

2010-05-04 Thread Peter Karlsson
Hi Matt, Don't know if it's recommended or not, but I've been doing it for close to 3 years on my OpenSolaris laptop, it saved me a few times like last week when my internal drive died :) /peter On 2010-05-04 20.33, Matt Keenan wrote: Hi, Just wondering whether mirroring a USB drive with