With a Single clapper FDC the clapper swings "mid-position" while flowing. I
do not agree this should be allowed, just have seen those argue for it. NFPA
#13 Does require the contractor to install the test outlet see 8.17.4.6.1
(07)

R/

Matt

Matthew J. Willis
Living Water Fire Protection, LLC.
1160 McKenzie Rd.
PO Box 877
Cantonment, FL. 32533
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----- >-----Original Message-----
----- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
----- >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
----- >Behalf Of Mark Sornsin
----- >Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 1:33 PM
----- >To: [email protected]
----- >Subject: RE: 200 psi test for components rated 175
----- >
----- >Don't most FDCs include clappers?  How do you backwards 
----- >flow out an FDC with clappers? And what do you do when 
----- >the system has a high demand volume - say over 500 gpm? 
----- >You'll have a tough time flowing it out an FDC even 
----- >without clappers.
----- >
----- >Seems it's the responsibility of the engineer of record 
----- >(when they're
----- >present) to require the test outlet so the owner has a 
----- >means of meeting the requirements of NFPA 25 - even if 
----- >the inspectors never end up testing the backflow.
----- >
----- >When there is not an engineer of record, and a 
----- >contractor is asked to design/install a system per code, 
----- >I don't believe there is any language in NFPA 13 that 
----- >would force a contractor to install the test outlet.
----- >
----- >Mark A. Sornsin, PE
----- >Fire Protection Engineer
----- >Ulteig Engineers, Inc. 
----- >Fargo, ND
----- >701.280.8591
----- >[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
----- > 
----- >
----- >-----Original Message-----
----- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
----- >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
----- >Behalf Of Gregg Key
----- >Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 12:23 PM
----- >To: [email protected]
----- >Subject: Re: 200 psi test for components rated 175
----- >
----- >Yep, that could be the reason it is shown.
----- >
----- >Yea Matt, sorta trick question, We have installed a few 
----- >wall hydrants at Military bases.
----- > Funny thing is that they do there own inspections and 
----- >they don't follow NFPA 25 that requires an annual 
----- >forward flow on the backflows. So the only systems in 
----- >our area that do have them , are not being used.
----- > OK while we are at it, how many NFPA 25 inspectors 
----- >perform the required forward flow test annually?
----- >
----- >
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