I have tried a couple of times (unsuccessfully) to sell architects on using copper and have it radiused into large circles or a serpentine pattern. Add extra pieces to make it balanced so it doesn't look like a sprinkler system. Kind of like a smaller version of those crops circles you see on TV. Make the sprinkler system an architectural feature not an eyesore. So far no takers.
Ron Fletcher Aero Automatic Phoenix, AZ -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ron Greenman Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 8:13 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: difficult one If he's so absolutely a FL Wright pretender why can't he let you run your pipe then build a faux ceiling that he likes under it? On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 7:07 AM, Todd Williams <[email protected]> wrote: > It could, but would need an FPE and possibly some fire modeling to come up > with a performance based design. Also, section 8.4.4.2 (NFPA 13 - 2002) > states that open sprinklers shall be installed using the same requirements > as their automatic counterparts. That would likewise need to be resolved. A > lot of work and $$$ for a walkway. > > > At 09:33 AM 12/3/2010, you wrote: >> >> For some reason this stuck in my mind, now I have an answer you might >> pursue. >> >> I think the deluge solution might have some merit. Often I think we >> forget >> to separate the 2 distinct functions of a sprinkler head. First and I do >> mean first it is a heat detector. Second it water distribution >> valve/device. The Code deals with both - heads within 12"....3x rule... >> >> I don't see a reason you can't get equivalent detection from some other >> device. Could even be a smoke detector as they are faster than heats. >> Next >> make sure the head distribution covers the floor with the minimum density. >> There isn't even a reason to locate the heads near the ceiling as long as >> the distribution is adequate. Probably a few, 4' or 5' above the floor >> would >> be adequate. And with a deluge you are getting extensive pre-wetting far >> in >> excess or standard wet, dry, PA systems. >> >> Now this isn't a sprinkler contractor solution as it is outside the Code. >> Will require a PE to be legal. And obviously AHJ agreement. >> >> Chris Cahill >> >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Greg McGahan<[email protected]> >> > Sender: [email protected] >> > Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2010 16:46:25 >> > To:<[email protected]> >> > Reply-To: [email protected] >> > Subject: difficult one >> > >> > The situations is this: >> > >> > Preface - I have already exhausted the "you can't because" in trying to >> > convince him to run two lines exposed in this space. >> > >> > Light Hazard >> > Corridor / Lobby with a center section Sloped, exposed construction 8 >> > in on 12in - 20' in width >> > On each side the ceiling drops about 4' to smooth flat ceilings >> > >> > The architect wants to find a way to eliminate exposed pipe. He prefers >> > to use sidewalls on the vertical 4' sides which I told him we could not >> do.. >> > His question is can he install detection at the peak, use sidewalls as >> > described above with a deluge valve. >> > >> > Does anyone have any other creative ideas for this situation? >> > >> > Thanks, >> > Greg >> > >> >> -- >> Greg C. McGahan Living Water Fire Protection, LLC. 1160 McKenzie Road >> Cantonment, FL 32533 850-937-1850 Fax 850-937-1852 >> _______________________________________________ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Sprinklerforum mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum >> >> For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] >> >> To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] >> (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > > Todd G. Williams, PE > Fire Protection Design/Consulting > Stonington, CT > 860.535.2080 > www.fpdc.com > > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > > For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] > > To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] > (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > -- Ron Greenman Instructor Fire Protection Engineering Technology Bates Technical College 1101 So. Yakima Ave. Tacoma, WA 98405 [email protected] http://www.bates.ctc.edu/fireprotection/ 253.680.7346 253.576.9700 (cell) Member: AFSA, SFPE, ASCET, NFPA, NFSA, AFAA, ASEE, NIBS, WSAFM, WFC They are happy men whose natures sort with their vocations. -Francis Bacon, essayist, philosopher, and statesman (1561-1626) _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field)
