How are the electricians running hidden conduit for the lighting? How
is the insulation hidden?

On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 7:11 AM,  <[email protected]> wrote:
> Really, deluge?   Since many people freak out with wet systems and the 
> potential of one sprinkler opening I can't imagine an architect or owner 
> embracing a deluge system in this type of environment.  Although if you tell 
> them it's a sprinkler system like they've seen in the movies maybe they would 
> think that as being OK.
>
> Also there are spacing restrictions on discharge nozzles which are more 
> restrictive than for wet systems, 10 ft horizontally unless the nozzle is 
> specifically listed for spacing exceeding that amount.
>
> And in this type of environment under these conditions, I'd personally would 
> never suggest using a smoke detector.  Too many potential for false trips 
> unless you cross-zone them by using Ion and PE types.  Heat detection would 
> be my first choice unless there would be some extenuating circumstances that 
> would prevent their use.
>
> Craig L. Prahl, CET
> Fire Protection
> CH2MHILL
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected] 
> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Chris Cahill
> Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 9:34 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: difficult one
>
> For some reason this stuck in my mind, now I have an answer you might
> pursue.
>
> I think the deluge solution might have some merit.  Often I think we forget
> to separate the 2 distinct functions of a sprinkler head.  First and I do
> mean first it is a heat detector.  Second it water distribution
> valve/device.  The Code deals with both - heads within 12"....3x rule...
>
> I don't see a reason you can't get equivalent detection from some other
> device.  Could even be a smoke detector as they are faster than heats.  Next
> make sure the head distribution covers the floor with the minimum density.
> There isn't even a reason to locate the heads near the ceiling as long as
> the distribution is adequate. Probably a few, 4' or 5' above the floor would
> be adequate.  And with a deluge you are getting extensive pre-wetting far in
> excess or standard wet, dry, PA systems.
>
> Now this isn't a sprinkler contractor solution as it is outside the Code.
> Will require a PE to be legal.  And obviously AHJ agreement.
>
> Chris Cahill
>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Greg McGahan<[email protected]>
>> Sender: [email protected]
>> Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2010 16:46:25
>> To:<[email protected]>
>> Reply-To: [email protected]
>> Subject: difficult one
>>
>> The situations is this:
>>
>> Preface - I have already exhausted the "you can't because" in trying to
>> convince him to run two lines exposed in this space.
>>
>> Light Hazard
>> Corridor / Lobby  with a center section Sloped, exposed construction 8
>> in on 12in - 20' in width
>> On each side the ceiling drops about 4' to smooth flat ceilings
>>
>> The architect wants to find a way to eliminate exposed pipe. He prefers
>> to use sidewalls on the vertical 4' sides which I told him we could not
> do..
>> His question is can he install detection at the peak, use sidewalls as
>> described above with a deluge valve.
>>
>> Does anyone have any other creative ideas for this situation?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Greg
>>
>
> --
> Greg C. McGahan Living Water Fire Protection, LLC. 1160 McKenzie Road
> Cantonment, FL 32533 850-937-1850 Fax 850-937-1852
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