On 05/28/2015 07:07 AM, SomeoneElse wrote:
On 28/05/2015 10:30, Komяpa wrote:
Hello,
I'd like to share my story.
We're making a new Global Map for World of Tanks game.
Game is translated into many languages, of which Russian and English
are most significant.
Now we're in open beta, you can look at the map at
https://ru.wargaming.net/globalmap/
To release the map, we need the whole map in Russian, and in English.
For closed beta, we chose to enable a small subset of a map, 80
provinces, for which I manually added the translations:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/30451655
This changeset got reverted by SomeoneElse:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/30706979
Now we can't use OSM to render the map directly.
Sure you can. You just need to combine OSM data with some other data
(such as a list that you've previously created).
The problem (described in some detail on my changeset above) is that the
fact that somewhere like Abergavenny has two names (or three, if you
count the old Latin name). Both "Abergavenny" and "Y Fenni" are
verifiable on the ground, by looking at the "Welcome to..." sign on the
roads in. "Абергавенни" does not appear on that sign.
A quick internet search shows plenty of results for Абергавенни,
including Wikipedia, hotel booking sites, and Harry Potter websites, and
by looking at Google's book results, you can see that it's been in use
since at least the 1800s. And with just a few minutes' look, I found
someone from the next city over using the name[1]. I understand this was
just an example, but it seems to show the opposite of what you wanted.
The town with the English name Abergavenny also has a Russian name
Абергавенни, which is in use by locals, and has been established for
hundreds of years.
Ethnologue (http://www.ethnologue.com/world) says that there are > 7000
languages in the world. Taginfo
(http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/search?q=name) says that there are >
45,000,000 names in OSM.
It's a perfectly reasonable request for someone to ask "can I have a map
that shows place names displayed in my language / alphabet". It's not a
reasonable request to ask OSM to store up to 7,000 variants against
45,000,000 names, when most of those objects simply do not have names in
those languages.
While your exact words here aren't wrong, I think you're severely
underestimating what objects have names in what languages. Russia and
the UK are major world powers that have had a lot of interaction as both
allies and enemies, economically, militarily, and culturally, and there
are tens to hundreds of thousands of people who were born in Russia
living in the UK[2]. It would be pretty absurd to for place names NOT to
exist, and as shown above the evidence shows that they do exist and are
in use.
For that reason I think the revert was wrong, and the edit should be
allowed to be re-performed.
--Andrew
[1] http://kuking.net/my/viewtopic.php?t=12946
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russians_in_the_United_Kingdom
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