Although I haven't tested it myself yet, with iTunes you can already do playlists with SMIL embed inside of QuickTime files. (I.e., with SMILtext.)
With Miro... it uses XiphQT. And XiphQT supports XSPF. And XSPF is a playlist format. So both iTunes and Miro already support playlists! As far as users just not downloading any video clip (in the playlist) less than 60 seconds long... just divide up all you content to less that 60 second long clips. (Or at least do this for significant chunks of your video.) That way this strategy won't work. See ya -- Charles Iliya Krempeaux, B.Sc. http://ChangeLog.ca/ Motorsport Videos http://TireBiterZ.com/ Vlog Razor... Vlogging News... http://vlograzor.com/ On Feb 13, 2008 8:34 AM, Steve Watkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Well I suppose my point is about what apps the viewers are using to consume > the feed. > > Non-browser video aggregators would need to be specially designed to > support feeds with > adverts in them, and if its done with open standards, its fairly trivial > for people to use > non-compliant aggregators that thwart the advertising. Whether that just > means the users > never click on the advert content to play it in the first place, or > settings such as 'assume > all content less than 60 seconds long in this feed is an ad', or users > syncing only the main > content with the device they want to watch the videos on, or others forms > of playlist > manipulation, it sure seems flawed to me. How are you going to get people > to even use > aggregators that support ads, when people have things like Miro and itunes > they can use? > > Thats why I was placing emphasis on flash, because a flash app can act as > an aggregator, > using proprietary playlists or whatever behind the scenes, but without the > user having the > ability to plug those feeds into a player that does not honour the ad > system. > > For downloadable video, it seems to me that the adverts have to be built > into the main > content video itself, or the necessary control just isnt there? > > > Cheers > > Steve Elbows > > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Charles Iliya Krempeaux" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > "Flash-delivered video" (as you call it) is a *video player*. And > > thus is not video. > > > > I.e., "Flash-delivered video" is similar to the Windows Media Player, > > the QuickTime Player, VLC. (It's basically a Flash-based video > > player... similar to a Java-applet based video player.) > > > > But it is not video. I.e., it is not a video file. > > > > The FLV file that these Flash-based video players play are the videos. > > > > (But we may be just arguing semantics.) > > > > And... as far as blocking ads in playlists.... just "mark" some of the > > actual content to be "downloaded at the last minute" too (like the > > ads)... so that if the user automatically blocks anything that is > > "marked" to "download at the last minute" to block the ads... then > > they end up blocking parts of the content too.... which makes > > auto-ad-blockers software impossible. This doesn't stop them from > > fast-forwarding through the ad (which is fine... because if the user > > really doesn't watch that particular ad, then it's a bad idea to try > > to force them). But that requires the user action.... and is much > > different than automated software that blocks every single ad no > > matter what (so the user doesn't even see them even if they would have > > been interested in it). > > > > > > See ya > > > > -- > > Charles Iliya Krempeaux, B.Sc. > > http://ChangeLog.ca/ > > > > Motorsport Videos > > http://TireBiterZ.com/ > > > > Vlog Razor... Vlogging News... http://vlograzor.com/ > > > > > > > On Feb 13, 2008 1:26 AM, Steve Watkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > In what way is flash-deluvered video not really video? Surely its one > of the > > > few methods > > > that gives advertisers & creators the necessary control? If adverts are > > > delivered based on > > > RSS playlists, then someone like me who despises adverts, will have a > lot > > > easier time > > > stripping the pollution of ads from the content I actualy want to > watch? > > > > > > Cheers > > > > > > Steve Elbows > > > > > > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Charles Iliya Krempeaux" > > > <supercanadian@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Now... to side step this 2 pronged RSS <enclosure> problem, you could > > > > not bother using the RSS <enclosure> and just send a Flash-based > video > > > > player or a Java-based video player instead... but... that's not > > > > really video. And, although it may be a solution in the short term... > > > > it's going to cause us problems in the long run. So it's important to > > > > get this RSS <enclosure>, playlist, pre-fetching thing right now IMO. > > > > > > > > There's alot more that could be said... but I'll end this here. > > > > > > > > > > > > See ya > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Charles Iliya Krempeaux, B.Sc. > > > > http://ChangeLog.ca/ > > > > > > > > Motorsport Videos > > > > http://TireBiterZ.com/ > > > > > > > > Vlog Razor... Vlogging News... http://vlograzor.com/
