Greetings ladies and gentlemen, Well, Chuck made some some good points. So did Paul. In the end, it comes down what is the smart investment for us as a community?
On a side note, do we have cheat sheets or a curriculum from the boot camp before WOWODC 2012? As a professor type, I would really love to borrow the instructors material to help my own students, as I get them. Even if I am only tutoring one at a time, a good curriculum goes a long way. It also helps define our EOF question. V/R, Dan Beatty, Ph.D. Texas Tech University, Alumni dan.bea...@mac.com https://sites.google.com/site/allnightstarparty/home (806)438-6620 On Jul 11, 2012, at 6:05 PM, Chuck Hill wrote: > > On 2012-07-11, at 6:02 PM, prob...@macti.ca wrote: > >> I think Hugi also use it. > > Is that a point for or against it? :-P > > > >> >> Envoyé de mon iPhone >> >> Le 2012-07-11 à 20:24, "Chuck Hill" <ch...@global-village.net> a écrit : >> >>> Apparently >>> >>> http://cayenne.apache.org/success-stories.html >>> >>> >>> On 2012-07-11, at 5:21 PM, Michael Kondratov wrote: >>> >>>> Anyone used it? Does it actually work? >>>> >>>> Michael >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> On Jul 11, 2012, at 19:10, Lars Sonchocky-Helldorf >>>> <lars.sonchocky-helld...@hamburg.de> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Am 11.07.2012 um 23:03 schrieb Daniel Beatty: >>>>> >>>>>> Greetings Ladies and Gentlemen, >>>>>> I tend to agree with Chuck on the notion that this could be a costly >>>>>> marriage without some kind of stability assurance. My recommendation >>>>>> would be to have Cayenne be standardized so that at least there is both >>>>>> proper documentation and be able to say what Cayenne is intended to be >>>>>> (EOF like or otherwise). >>>>>> >>>>>> I did some work on the subject whether WO/EOF is still king of the ORMs >>>>>> for my dissertation qualifiers in November of 2011. I found that while >>>>>> there is no notion of a standardized ORM out there, EOF has a de facto >>>>>> standard due to its age and open source varieties in both Objective-C >>>>>> and Java forms. I can see why Apple has been reluctant to take it to >>>>>> a standards body. Namely, why teach the whole industry how to build >>>>>> something that makes your company so successful. None the less, there >>>>>> are enough of us that could easily reverse engineer EOF along with >>>>>> Cayenne to help formalize such a standard with say the Open Grid Forum >>>>>> (OGF). >>>>>> >>>>>> Of course, there is probably nothing that can be done about the language >>>>>> of choice. According to the TIOBE index, the three most popular >>>>>> languages as far as applications built by them are in order C, Java, and >>>>>> Objective-C. Popularity does not necessarily give us good languages >>>>>> from an academic point of view, but there are some blessings to be had >>>>>> from those top three. Of course, Objective-C did rise this last month >>>>>> to surpass C++, C#, PHP, and Visual Basic. What does Chuck say if >>>>>> people are using those languages, of their own free will? >>>>> >> >>>>> Speaking of Objective-C: There's an EOF and a WebObjects clone in GNUstep >>>>> under the LGPL: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> EOF-Clone (EOF 4.5 IIRC): >>>>> >>>>> http://www.gnustep.org/experience/GDL2.html >>>>> >>>>> http://svn.gna.org/svn/gnustep/libs/gdl2/trunk/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> WebObjects-Clone: >>>>> >>>>> http://wiki.gnustep.org/index.php/GNUstepWeb >>>>> >>>>> http://svn.gna.org/svn/gnustep/libs/gsweb/trunk/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Wouldn't that be an alternative nowadays that ObjC has ARC? >>>>> >>>>> http://clang.llvm.org/docs/AutomaticReferenceCounting.html >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> V/R, >>>>> >>>>> cheers, >>>>> >>>>> Lars >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Do not post admin requests to the list. 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