On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 14:09:33 +0700, Firouz Anaraki [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Gilberto:
Personally, I think that if you are in a
country where the majority of the population are religious Muslims and
they have a good democratic-type government which respects the will of
the people and is
I'm not sure exactly which point you are trying to make.
J: Forget it. Pretend I never wrote it.
Some of what is written doesn't necessarily ring true for me, and I'm not certainwhat other assumptions you might be making.
J:No other assumptions. Everything was layed out in the two emails.
I
G: I don't think any country (Muslim or not) will be ideal.
J: Itdoes appear thatnon-Muslim countries are more ideal that Muslim countries, doesn't it? Why is that? Could it be that Muslim law is not suitable for today'sWorld governance? Could it be that God sent Baha'u'llah with an
Gilberto:
I don't think any country (Muslim or not) will be ideal. But that's
what I would like to see other countries move towards. Secularization
in Muslim countries seems to take place as the result of force and
repression. So I'm wary if you are somehow holding it up as a model.
What is
Dear Louise,
It has been my experiance that when I know better, I do better. I stand before God ready to learn a better way but I can not adhere to a code of conduct that just leaves me miserable.
Marriage was a solution for me. My husband and I enjoyed many years of a very good marriage before
On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 06:04:16 -0800 (PST), JS [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
G: I don't think any country (Muslim or not) will be ideal.
J: It does appear that non-Muslim countries are more ideal that Muslim
countries, doesn't it? Why is that?
Because during the Age of Discovery and
G:And Christianity is actually dying in Europe and the people there are becoming rejecting religion more and more. So what exactly do you think Western technological and material advances prove? What kind of model do they point to?Are technological and material advances ANY kind of proof of
On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 21:47:56 +0700, Firouz Anaraki [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Gilberto:
I don't think any country (Muslim or not) will be ideal. But that's
what I would like to see other countries move towards. Secularization
in Muslim countries seems to take place as the result of force
On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 09:16:33 -0800 (PST), JS [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
G: And Christianity is actually dying in Europe and the people there are
becoming rejecting religion more and more. So what exactly do you think
Western technological and material advances prove? What kind of model do
Dear Gilberto and Scott,
In an attempt to add some balance to the endless discussion
about who determined that women should not serve on the
Universal House of Justice; I offer the following from the
Kitab-i-Aqdas, after your comments.
Gilberto: The UHJ which interprets the laws excludes
On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 04:25:26 -0800 (PST), JS [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Gilberto:
I think there are many different differences of opinion between the typical
Christian and the typical Muslim and I honestly don't think that the typical
Christian's
biggest objection to Islam is the idea of
G: I guess there might be a question of what kind of knowledge and whatkind of intellect is more important, And what kind of knowledge isrelated to spirituality.
J:I would say thatreligion is necessary for the advancement of material civilization, spiritual civilization, as well as the progress
Gilberto: The rights of Muslim women to property and
inheritance, to some protection if
divorced, and to the conducting of business, were rights
prescribed by the Quran twelve hundred years ago, even if they
were not everywhere translated into practice.
Dear Gilberto,
And, interestingly,
On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 20:14:56 -0800, Rich Ater [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Gilberto:
Shia and Sunni disagree about certain issues but I'm not
persuaded that the issues are fundemnantal or essential.
Well, you may
be in a minority here. Sunni are killing Shi'a in India and they are
persecuted
On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 21:32:35 -0800 (PST), louise mchenry
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Hi Gilberto,
I just read this mail over and I apologise that it is
not that clear as I had intended it to be. While
writing I got frequently interrupted. English is not
my native tongue, hence the gramatical
Title: Message
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On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 10:57:45 -0900, Sandra Chamberlain
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Gilberto: The rights of Muslim women to property and
inheritance, to some protection if
divorced, and to the conducting of business, were rights
prescribed by the Quran twelve hundred years ago, even if they
In a message dated 1/12/2005 1:53:46 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
rights prescribed by the Quran twelve hundred years ago, even if they were not everywhere translated into practice."
Wives have the right to be summarily divorced by their husbands. Wives have the right to
On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 10:32:21 -0800 (PST), JS [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
G: I guess there might be a question of what kind of knowledge and what
kind of intellect is more important, And what kind of knowledge is
related to spirituality.
J: I would say that religion is necessary for the
On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 17:15:49 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 1/12/2005 1:53:46 PM Central Standard Time,
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rights prescribed by the Quran twelve hundred years ago,
even if they were not everywhere translated into practice.
Wives
G:
If Bahais can make "seal" mean something other than last, then you should be able to find ways of understanding the Quran in ways which are consistent with fair, just compassionate treatment of women.
J:
Gilberto, this is an interesting statement. I have a couple of comments:
1) Do you think
Actually it was a Universal House of Justice
decision that ruled that women could not be on the UHJ.
I would like to offer my own take on this.
I think that what the House decided, was that it is not a matter on which it
can legislate, as the Text has already addressed the subject. The House
In a message dated 1/12/2005 6:58:21 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
What the House did, after reviewing the Text and the authorized interpretations by the Master and the Guardian, was conclude that the Text states that membership on the House is limited to men, and that it
On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 16:16:12 -0800 (PST), JS [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
G:
If Bahais can make seal mean something other than last, then you should be
able to find ways of understanding the Quran in ways which are consistent
with fair, just compassionate treatment of women.
J:
Gilberto,
In a message dated 1/12/2005 7:44:01 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Christians have a similar relation to the Jewish scriptures. This isbecause the Old Testament is part of the Christian Bible.
Yes . . . and . . . no. Most Jews will tell you that the Christian Old Testament
In a message dated 1/12/2005 7:44:01 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Ok. But when it comes to interpreting equality of women in the Quran,I've noticed several Bahais not engage in the same kind of effort.Instead of saying how the Quran can be read on multiple levels
Gilberto,
At 12:06 PM 1/12/2005, you wrote:
I'm not blaming them. I'm describing them. All I'm saying is that the concept
of finality of revelation is not as essential, or emphasized, or as clear in
Christianity as it is in Islam. It's not the most common argument Christians
have against
What the House did, after reviewing the Text and the authorized
interpretations by the Master and the Guardian, was conclude that the Text
states that membership on the House is limited to men, and that it cannot
change that provision.
It's my understanding that there is also the future
There are numerous texts in the Quran and hadith where husbands are
told to treat their wives kindly and mercifully. And they are told
specifically not to beat them.
Gilberto,
Thanks for pointing these out.
Patti
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G: So if the Quran has a sentence in it which contradicts satatments inthe Bahai faith then that is a problem (for the Bahai faith). For theBahai faith, everything in the Quran is true, so whateverinterpretation the verses have, they have to be consistent with theBahai faith.
J: That's a good
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