within gmt+2:00 limits , try Athens or Cairo.
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- Original Message -
From: Ariel Biener [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: El-al, Netta [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: Linux-IL linux-il@linux.org.il
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 11:52 PM
Subject: Re: Actcom without a dailer costs more
On Wed, Sep 28, 2005 at 12:36:47PM +0200, Shahar Dag wrote:
I am posting here an answer from a similar thread on the Technion's
mailing list.
I think it is relevant
However, the CORRECT answer is to find a timezone editor. There are
several and Microsoft themselves used to publish one. It
On Wed, Sep 28, 2005 at 01:19:57PM +0300, Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote:
On Wed, Sep 28, 2005 at 12:36:47PM +0200, Shahar Dag wrote:
I am posting here an answer from a similar thread on the Technion's
mailing list.
I think it is relevant
We're in the wrong thread, right?
This thread
]
Sent: Mon, September 26, 2005 12:13 AM
To: El-al, Netta; Linux-IL
Subject: RE: Actcom without a dailer costs more
On Sep 25, 14:28, El-al, Netta wrote:
} Subject: RE: Actcom without a dailer costs more
that was a very nice and detailed email but the bottom line is:
the other isps are now
-David
Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 9:26 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: El-al, Netta; Linux-IL
Subject: Re: Actcom without a dailer costs more
Hi,
On Mon, Sep 26, 2005 at 12:13:24AM +0300, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sep 25, 14:28, El-al, Netta wrote:
You also had a static IP. As far as I
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Ariel Biener
Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 10:11 AM
To: Yedidyah Bar-David
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; El-al, Netta; Linux-IL
Subject: Re: Actcom without a dailer costs more
On Monday 26 September 2005 10:26, Yedidyah Bar-David wrote
On Sep 26, 10:26, Yedidyah Bar-David wrote:
} Subject: Re: Actcom without a dailer costs more
Hi,
On Mon, Sep 26, 2005 at 12:13:24AM +0300, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sep 25, 14:28, El-al, Netta wrote:
You also had a static IP. As far as I know the low prices of the
other ISPs don't
On Mon, Sep 26, 2005 at 12:25:36PM +0300, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sep 26, 10:26, Yedidyah Bar-David wrote:
} Subject: Re: Actcom without a dailer costs more
3. Even though routers are tend to connect 24x7, yet with dynamic IPs
there is still a need for significantly less IPs.
Care
Amir,
First, regardless of how satisfied the Linux-IL members are with your
answers, I would like to thank you for treating the matter seriously
enough to personally subscribe to this list and participating so
actively. I hope that as a compensation you are getting some useful
feedback from a
On Sep 26, 15:27, El-al, Netta wrote:
} Subject: RE: Actcom without a dailer costs more
look, i'm not accusing u of fraud or anything. i know what the written
agreement says. *but*, i am accusing u of misleading me. your representatives
basically implied (not promised) that i would be getting
On Monday 26 September 2005 12:06, El-al, Netta wrote:
so you think that customers should pay double prices to their favorite
businesses in order to keep them in business. that's not what capitalism
and competition is about. hey, if you're a little business and then a
bigger business starts
On Monday 26 September 2005 15:27, El-al, Netta wrote:
Hello,
Please stop posting the whole thread in your mail, it is uselessly long,
and against the list etiquette. Secondly, please stop using this list in your
piss fight against Actcom, as we're not your rant amplifiers. I think we
On Monday 26 September 2005 21:06, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote:
By the way, as quite a few others on this list I use my Internet
connection at home to connect to my employer's LAN over VPN. It was my
employer who insisted on a no-dialer setup because the protocols
dialers use (L2TP, PPTP) interfere
Ariel Biener [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
What VPN do you have that is affected by the link layer ? I had no
problem using either PPTP or L2TP VPNs, or IPSEC VPNs from either
Cisco, Checkpoint and the free projects over either PPPoA or PPPoE,
with dialer and everything.
None of the above ;-)
confirmation or error messages. So definitely something in this listar
is bogus. I hope that it will not handle the same further mail from me.
Amir
On Sep 24, 22:00, Michael Vasiliev wrote:
} Subject: Re: Actcom without a dailer costs more
On Saturday September 24 2005 08:00, Shachar
On Sep 24, 4:18, Ilya Konstantinov wrote:
} Subject: Re: Actcom without a dailer costs more
On ×', 2005-09-22 at 10:41 +0300, Nadav Har'El wrote:
The strange thing is that for some reason, getting this sort of dialer-less
setup required fighting with the cable company.
Actually
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi,
The copy you got was my first try, before I was subscribed to the list.
I then subscribed to the list and posted my message *TWICE* more
(second time after I saw that the first one didn't appear for much time).
My mail log says iglu mailer got it fine (it said ok)
On Sep 25, 22:15, Uri Bruck wrote:
} Subject: Re: Actcom without a dailer costs more
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi,
The copy you got was my first try, before I was subscribed to the list.
I then subscribed to the list and posted my message *TWICE* more
(second time after I saw
Cc: Shachar Shemesh; Ilya Konstantinov; Nadav Har'El
Subject: Re: Actcom without a dailer costs more
[snip]
Our ADSL and Cable deals are like many similar deals of other ISPs,
in that they contain an initial period of low price (now typically for
6 or 12 months, depending on the deal
On Sep 25, 1:19, Alex Shnitman wrote:
} Subject: Re: Actcom without a dailer costs more
I am sorry to hear that your feeling was that we
treated you as an
ISP terrorist. I will validate our customer
service people make sure
the users understand that this is not anything
personal
I am sorry to hear that your feeling was that we
treated you as an
ISP terrorist. I will validate our customer
service people make sure
the users understand that this is not anything
personal, and that they
didn't do anything abusive or not according to the
contract, but it
is only a
:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2005 9:22 PM
To: Ilya Konstantinov; Nadav Har'El
Cc: Linux-IL
Subject: Re: Actcom without a dailer costs more
On Sep 24, 4:18, Ilya Konstantinov wrote:
} Subject: Re: Actcom without a dailer costs more
On ׳
On Sep 25, 22:46, Tzahi Fadida wrote:
} Subject: RE: Actcom without a dailer costs more
Just wanted to point out, that if a user is smart enough to hack the modem
to remove the bandwidth limits he is smart enough to reprogram the MAC address
(a feature that is not uncommon on pro modem/routers
On Sep 25, 8:38, Tzafrir Cohen wrote:
} Subject: OT: prices of bandwidth [was: Re: Actcom without a dailer costs m
Just a comment on a topic raised. Not specific to Actcom.
[...]
So sometimes we cannot give a large enough discount off our official
prices (as published in our web site or
On Sep 25, 14:28, El-al, Netta wrote:
} Subject: RE: Actcom without a dailer costs more
that was a very nice and detailed email but the bottom line is:
the other isps are now giving very low prices that stay low and don't change
after a certain period.
when i first signed up with actcom
Some other companies are not able to find
the traffic of their customers due to technical difficulties. This is
going to get changed.
We plan to solve the traffic issue of free software users by our new
project of a near-real-time detailed traffic analysis per user, plus
establishing big
On Saturday September 24 2005 08:00, Shachar Shemesh wrote:
[skipped]
On a totally different note, I, as it seems some other people as well,
forwarded this thread to Actcom's CEO. He sent us back an email saying
that he tried to send a reply, but the reply never appeared. Could the
list
Just a comment on a topic raised. Not specific to Actcom.
On Thu, 22 Sep 2005 17:37:08 +0300, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Our ADSL and Cable deals are like many similar deals of other ISPs,
in that they contain an initial period of low price (now typically for
6 or 12 months, depending on the
ik wrote:
I myself can not see or understand any reason why as a customer I need to be
interested that the ISP have any issues with the cables companies.
Maybe I can shed some light on the use of dialers in cable modems.
Abroad, there is no such thing. You hook up your computer, you get an
IP,
On Thu, Sep 22, 2005, ik wrote about Re: Actcom without a dailer costs more:
In cables, it seems that without a dialer, the cables company controls your
connection, and with one, the ISP control it.
I have a cable connection, without a dialer. Because cable clients are offered
a choice of ISPs
will still be limited.
-David
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Nadav Har'El
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 9:41 AM
To: ik
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Linux-IL
Subject: Re: Actcom without a dailer costs more
On Thu, Sep 22, 2005, ik wrote about
On Thu, Sep 22, 2005, Shachar Shemesh wrote about Re: Actcom without a dailer
costs more:
The network infrastructure is such that if you connect via DHCP, your
cable operator needs to know which ISP you belong to. They then allocate
an IP for you from that ISP's IP pool, and you are connected
Nadav Har'El wrote:
On Thu, Sep 22, 2005, Shachar Shemesh wrote about Re: Actcom without a dailer
costs more:
The network infrastructure is such that if you connect via DHCP, your
cable operator needs to know which ISP you belong to. They then allocate
an IP for you from that ISP's IP pool
Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of ik
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 6:35 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: Linux-IL
Subject: Re: Actcom without a dailer costs more
Hi,
I myself uses cables, but dialers are a hoax (at least for customers). In
ADSL
Hi,
I had the same problem, but not with the money issue.
When i upgraded my Internet line, they automatically moved me to dialer.
All my body was shaking from anger ;) I called them and fought for my right to continue with DHCP. I finally got it, but a bitter taste still floating in my mouth.
I
this is what i have to say about actcom:
last year i got sick of bezeqint's crappy service and their hanging up on me
every time i uttered the word linux so i switched to actcom. they were a little
more expensive but offered me a deal for a half a year for fifty something
shekels for 1.5M.
Ido Kanner wrote:
Hi list,
Recently I updated my 4 years old account in Actcom (this is my 4th year).
After watching the price of the account in my office, I found out that I pay a
lot more for a lot less. That is I pay 760 NIS for 750 without a dialer, while
at work we pay a lot less for a
. (IMHO)
-David
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Alex Shnitman
Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2005 1:00 PM
To: linux-il@linux.org.il
Subject: RE: Actcom without a dailer costs more
Same story here. I signed up for a year, and after the
year
On Wed, Sep 21, 2005, David Randelman wrote about RE: Actcom without a dailer
costs more:
have no contractual limit on my usage, that I paid extra to increase my
upload to 150kbps and to be fair, I don't think 20GB for 3 months (both TX
and RX) is abusive of the service.
What's strange about
Subject: RE: Actcom without a dailer costs more
After being with Actcom for almost 8 years even when their
bandwidth was
crappy, the same things recently happen to me with them- they
claimed that
in 3 months I downloaded 20GB of Data and that according to
that I should be
paying them
El-al, Netta [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
this is what i have to say about actcom: last year i got sick of
bezeqint's crappy service and their hanging up on me every time i
uttered the word linux so i switched to actcom. they were a little
more expensive but offered me a deal for a half a year
On Wed, Sep 21, 2005 at 03:59:57AM -0700, Alex Shnitman wrote:
Same story here. I signed up for a year, and after the
year ended they told me I have too pay 2000 NIS for
the next year (that's 166 NIS a month!) because of
high bandwidth usage. So I guess that's what they need
the monitoring
Nadav Har'El [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
What's strange about these stories is that they appear to complain
about usages which don't appear extreme at all. 20 GB for 3 months
is just 2.5 KB/s (20 kbps), an amount that even a modem user could
use (say, connected 8 hours a day). If you're not
On Wed, Sep 21, 2005 at 04:06:51PM +0300, El-al, Netta wrote:
btw, i asked them why they care how much bandwidth i use and they said
something about them paying netvision for the bandwidth usage... strange...
are they basically using netvision's service and charging users to be the
Hi list,
I am hoping that somebody from Actcom themselves is reading this list
and will give us some facts. I personally have been very satisfied with
the service I have received from them for the last 2 years. Their
presence at August penguin contradicts the claim of some that they are
no
On Wed, 21 Sep 2005, Random Penguin wrote:
Packets sent to apple.com,microsoft.com,ibm.com,fbi.gov all go via
netvision (fbi.gov is only five hops, which is a little spooky)
Your data is faulty... All these are hosted in Israel via akamai or
similar services.
Alon
--
This message was
On Wed, 21 Sep 2005, El-al, Netta wrote:
btw, i asked them why they care how much bandwidth i use and they said
something about them paying netvision for the bandwidth usage...
strange... are they basically using netvision's service and charging
users to be the go-between? (oh, and btw, i
Hi,
I myself uses cables, but dialers are a hoax (at least for customers). In ADSL
instead of making the modem/router of ADSL to speak ADSL and Ethernet, it
speaks only ADSL, and the dialer make the talking of ADSL and Ethernet for
you.
In cables, it seems that without a dialer, the cables
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