Gentlemen I agree with you when it comes to this issue. I also agree it would
be a good long drawn out
trial ---the problem I have at this point is I live in AP and would not send
my child to AP public schools at this time. We really need to be taking on the
task of fixing the problems in the schools that we have now -getting the state
out of our public schools, changing the dropout rates and pulling up the grades
of our children. My child is presently in the third grade at Hope Academy
Charter and I am researching Charter and private schools at this time because
when she graduates the 8th grade (5 years from now) I will not be sending her
to AP public schools and that is basically the concensus of parents in HACS. I
have even spoken to several parents who have children in Thurgood and Bradley
who would love to find a way out of sending their child to the middle or high
school. So even though it is morally wrong for the commissioner to segregate
the schools I don't know how many people would stand with you and fight the
issue knowing the problems we
have in AP schools.
----- Original Message ----
From: rook782 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 7:19:43 AM
Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Van Zandt's School Music - We're a bit late
Also a very very good post.
Tom I think that if you ever wanted to do the one thing in your life
that could truly help Asbury Park, this might be the answer. I think
many would support you in this endeavor. And kinda knowing you, you
would not care what the opposition thought. How much money would
something like this cost to have a case like this fought and won? I
know this would be just an estimate.
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, "justifiedright"
<justifiedright@ ...> wrote:
>
> Oak it looks like we ended up agreeing in the end.
>
> I have no problm with choices people make. Go to private school,
> move to a good public district, etc. I support all of it. I do
have
> a problem with government screwing things up by injecting
themselves
> into it, which is what wrecked APHS - not parental choices.
>
> When buying a house, I absolutely avoided Asbury Park and the
> sending district because the High School is now segregated. I
know
> that many, many other people did the same.
>
> That wasn't the case before the RBR ruling. I went to APHS with
the
> sons of doctors, lawyers and millinaire businessmen. Yes, having
> that demographic was helpful to the poorer kids. That's gone
thanks
> to the ruling.
>
> Look at real estate listings. Many of them list private schools
on
> the listing so as not to list APHS. I laugh and cry everytime I
see
> it.
>
> Since Avon no longer goes to APHS, their real estate has
> skyrocketed, now topping $1 Million on the MEDIAN house sale, and
> holding steady in this downturn.
>
> Everything changed when the Commissioner ruled that RBR having a
> better music program than Asbury Park is more important than
whether
> a black kid goes to a segregated school. Read the decision that
> Mario linked. That was the ruling. It's the most bigoted, racist
> piece of government work I've seen in my lifetime, and it is
> shamelessly ignored.
>
> It's ignored because those with the political power in the area
> benefit from the ruling (like Avon); those without the power
suffer
> from it (Asbury).
>
> Just imagine the classic busing issue: If a primarily white
school
> in the area was suddenly going to be filled with poor black kids
> from Asbury, people would go berserk. There would be all sorts of
> lawsuits to stop it, with claims of government interference,
social
> engineering, and claims that the school's natural demographic
should
> be preserved.
>
> That ruling by the Commissioner is exactly the same thing with the
> colors reversed. The NATURAL DEMOGRAPHIC of APHS was racially and
> economically diversified, just as Ocean Township is now. The
ruling
> destroyed that by busing the white kids past Asbury Park to
another
> public school in Little Silver.
>
> Who is going to file the the Federal Civil Rights lawsuit claiming
> de facto segregation (can anyone claim that wasn't the result of
the
> ruling with a straight face)? Are the white parents who are
> avoiding APHS going to do it? No. The poor black parents? I
don't
> think so. AP Board of Ed? No, too busy gossiping and in fighting
> to tackle something so serious and important.
>
> If APHS was naturally segregated by race, you wouldn't hear a peep
> out of me. Since it is racially segregateed by the government
with
> busing to another public school, I'm confident my objection is on
> the moral high ground, even if I stand alone.
>
> Standing alone though, I'm starting to feel like I don't care
> anymore either.
>
> The state can keep the school segregated, Asbury Park Board of Ed
> (Bored of Ed?) can keep taking the Abbott "hush money" and not
> challenge the segregation ruling, and none of it is going to hurt
me.
>
> So why should I care?
>
>
>
>
> --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, "oakdorf" <oakdorf@> wrote:
> >
> > TD,
> >
> > You and I can both stop, take residence in AP, and stick our kids
> > there. but we haven't.
> >
> > I'd take a gamble on those beers that Deal, Allenhurst, Belmar
have
> > LESS HS age kids eligible to go to AP. Then you have determine
why
> > those parents CHOOSE to send their kids to a private school,
> parochial
> > school or to a county speciality school. IT's choice. You and I
> have
> > made it as well, by choosing to live in towns other then AP with
a
> > schools that are well diversified in race and incomes - that
> being
> > Howell and OT. OT and Howell are not the same as in 1996 nor in
are
> > they in our era of the late 70's either. In '75 my class (8th
> grade)
> > had 3 african american students - and I can name them. In '79 I
> could
> > still name a few more african american students. And I;m saying
I
> can
> > name them as a good thing casue we were all friends. I can say
> today
> > the make-up of the the student body, at least in OT, is about as
> > diversified as it can be on all levels - race, incomes, family
> status etc.
> >
> > As such, in my view, the teaching methods have changed
> dramatically.
> >
> > I wish I could convince my son to go to CBA, and I'd be willing
to
> > pay. It's school. Not a playground. They'll kick your ass out as
> fast
> > as they cashed your check.
> >
> > As for qualifying to go to a speciality school, you shouldnt
have
> to.
> >
>
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