Quite a while ago, probably in OS/390 days, I experimented and did both a replacement and an upgrade. Ultimately implemented the upgrade path and haven't done a replacement since.
I agree with Barbara and Terri. I haven't actually IPL's the SMP/E target sysres in decades. I use alternate cloned SYSRES ZnnPR1 and ZnnPR2. All DLIBs stay in SMS and with the ZnnD HLQ used by the restore job. Target datasets on the SMP/E target only have the ZnnT HLQ for the brief time between allocate/restore and the rename job. OMVS are cloned to OMVS.Znn.lparname.RSUnnnn on specific SMS managed volumes. Mod 27 sysres and OMVS volumes. > -----Original Message----- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> On > Behalf Of Shaffer, Terri > Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2021 10:08 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Issues > > Not sure I understand why you do that, but you have that option IF you > DON'T do a SYSTEM UPGRADE and do a REPLACE, which builds all new things. > > All I want to do is SWAP my 2 RES volumes, which I have done for 30+ years, > Recatalog whats new to the release I am installing and IPL. > > Like I said, I don't ever want to build a new MCAT, just to perform an > upgrade, unless there is a really good reason. > > Ms Terri E Shaffer > Senior Systems Engineer, > z/OS Support: > ACIWorldwide - Telecommuter > H(412-766-2697) C(412-519-2592) > terri.shaf...@aciworldwide.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> On > Behalf Of Edgington, Jerry > Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2021 12:55 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Issues > > External Email > > > Terri, > > There are ways to leave your Master Catalog alone, and still be able to > upgrade z/OS. I install new z/OS either with ServerPac or now z/OSMF > workflows, to its own "master" catalog, with ALIAS pointer of something like > ZOS25. Then build runtime datasets from the "ServerPac" datasets, > upgrading without changing the z/OS datasets in the Master Catalog, using > indirect cataloging. > > > Jerry Edgington | Sr.Technical Analyst IT Technical Operations Enterprise > Systems > 400 Broadway | Cincinnati, Ohio 45202 > 513.629.1826 direct > 513.629.1787 fax > WesternSouthern.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> On > Behalf Of Shaffer, Terri > Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2021 12:44 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Issues > > This message was sent from an external source outside of Western & > Southern's network. Do not click links or open attachments unless you > recognize the sender and know the contents are safe. > __________________________________________________________ > __________________________________________________________ > ____ > > Sorry Kurt, > > Absolutely understand what you said, but that's dumb. > > I haven't created a NEW Master Catalog in 20 years, because why would I > want to have to RECAT all my PAGE, SMF, USERCATs, NON-VSAM, ETC > datasets?? > > When just adding an SSA to SYS1 gets away from any conflicts, and still gets > in > the current master catalog, Then the renames all work, which really only > does the physical names on DASD. > > Then Recatalogs indirectly and NEW datasets and I am done. > > Yuck, but okay I will just modify all my datasets again in z/OS 2.6, but will > use > my current instance as a Model to keep volume placements, But even this is > ugly, because my volsers change... Currently ZA2511 and SMPD25, will go to > ZA2611 and SMPD26 in z/OS 2.6, so I have mass change things anyhow. > > I really liked the SERVERPAC dialogs even more now, ONE Panel to redefine > my Physicals and all the logicals get placed magically with 0 work!! > > Ms Terri E Shaffer > Senior Systems Engineer, > z/OS Support: > ACIWorldwide - Telecommuter > H(412-766-2697) C(412-519-2592) > terri.shaf...@aciworldwide.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> On > Behalf Of Kurt J. Quackenbush > Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2021 12:14 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Issues > > External Email > > > > Great information Kurt, thanks, but need a clarification on one thing. > > > > >>That's great! You would choose any of these software instances as > > your model when installing z/OS next. You can also experiment with > > other Software >>Management actions on those defined software > > instances. For example, on the Software Instances page try the View > > -> Data Sets action. > > >>Or any of the Maintenance Report actions. > > > > So does this mean I will always have to change every dataset again? > > To add my SYS1SSA, CPACSSA and SMPSSA? Because the instances all point > > to the real names. If so you lost me again, because that was pain > > staking to change 1200 datasets, even with filtering. > > Your installed z/OS 2.5 now has your desired data set names. You defined a > software instance that describes your installed z/OS 2.5. Therefore, if you > select that software instance as your model when you install z/OS next, as > much as possible z/OSMF will initialize the configuration with the data set > names from your installed z/OS 2.5. You then will not have to modify data > set names for 1200 data sets, however you will have to modify names for any > new data sets in z/OS next and those which are not SMP/E managed, like the > CPAC data sets. But those are much fewer. > > > At least the SERVERPAC just prefixed everything with you SSA HLQ's. > > z/OSMF will also prefix data sets with a temporary catalog alias (SSA) if > that's > what you want. It does this when you tell z/OSMF you want to create a new > master catalog. You then get to specify the temporary catalog alias (SSA) to > use for data sets in that new master catalog. 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