You oppose the repeal of DOMA, which discriminates against legally married same sex couples who only want equal Federal marriage benefits such as social security and joint tax returns, etc. ---------------------------------------
So does President Obama, as did Clinton before him Are they, "homophobic Reich wingnut fascists" too? On Dec 23, 9:52 am, Tommy News <[email protected]> wrote: > Lil Keithie Kieth > > I am very sorry that you are such a homophobic Reich wingnut fascist. > > To repeat again, > > Don't you believe that when you called me "Asshole" "Moonbat" > "Marxist" "Socialist" > "Young Tommy" "Lil Tom Tom" "Ignorant" etc. you were being hateful, > smearing and hurting me, and lying? > > I believe you are telling lies again.You have demonstrated again and > again that you do NOT hold "beliefs of equality for all" as you falsely claim. > > You oppose the repeal of DADT, which has ruined thousands of lives and > careers. > > You oppose the repeal of DOMA, which discriminates against legally > married same sex couples who only want equal Federal marriage benefits > such as social security and joint tax returns, etc. > > You oppose Civil Marriage Equality for same sex couples. Civil Unions > and domestic partnerships are lesser, unequal contracts with fewer > benefits and rights. > > You oppose UAFA, and favor tearing loving same sex families apart > through deportation. > > You appear to falsely believe that being gay is a choice and a > lifestyle, which it is not. > > You believe that all gays are flamboyant chaps wearing cross dressing > exhibitionist sex fiends, which most are not. Most dress better and > more conservatively than you do. Many are chaste and celebate. > > You, Keith, by your own admissions, are a prejudiced misguided > misinformed homophobic Reich wingnut bigot with a dirty mind. Yes, you > are. > > On 12/23/10, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > LilMarxistMoonbatTommyTomTomForNews, > > > How, or why would you make such a slanderous statement as that? Can you > > point to something that would make you say such a hateful lie and a smear > > against my person? > > > Either point to a post, with the quote, or make an apology. One or the > > other, > > > KeithInTampa > > > On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 12:09 AM, Tommy News <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> Keith does not champion gays as equals. > >> He sees them as second class citizens. > > >> On 12/22/10, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > Tommy, > > >> > Where is the need to champion ANY group when you champion all as equals > >> ?? > > >> > On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 10:00 AM, Tommy News <[email protected]> > >> wrote: > > >> >> Keith- > > >> >> Although you flippantly state that "Yea, I am an arrogant asshole", > >> >> you are in fact a misguided homophobe, as you have demonstrated > >> >> clearly in your anti-gay statements in these groups. > > >> >> I suggest that you make youself a New Year's resolution to become an > >> >> ally, champion, and advocate for your oppressed gay friends and group > >> >> members, as other Republicans have done. > > >> >> Merry Christmas. > > >> >> On 12/20/10, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> > Hey Wayne! > > >> >> > How do ya think stereotypes get started? Any truth to them? > > >> >> > Hey Vince! > > >> >> > Well, the last thing I wanted to come across as, was condescending! > >> >> > Yea, > >> >> I > >> >> > am an arrogant asshole, but usually a pretty friendly asshole! Nope, > >> >> > not > >> >> > pacifying anyone, ya wanna hear the truth? Come on over and I will > >> >> > shed > >> >> > the light for ya! > > >> >> > Good to see ya, and Merry Christmas! > > >> >> > KeithInDC > > >> >> > On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 9:03 PM, vince brackney > >> >> > <[email protected]>wrote: > > >> >> >> You know it isn't really worth the effort to get Keith to see the > >> other > >> >> >> side of the coin. Nothing more condescending than someone who claims > >> >> they > >> >> >> are not prejudice and then make the statements that he does. It like > >> >> >> saying > >> >> >> I have gay friends so I am not a hater, when really they are just > >> >> >> pacifying > >> >> >> us. > > >> >> >> He is really saying these things based on his experience of years > >> ago, > >> >> and > >> >> >> I suspect that was before DADT was even in existence. He has > >> >> >> opinion > >> >> just > >> >> >> like everyone else. And everyone has the right to his or hers own > >> >> opinion. > >> >> >> I > >> >> >> just wish it wasn't aired in this group. > > >> >> >> I am very thankful for the straight friends I do have that are truly > >> >> >> not > >> >> >> prejudice and except me for who I am. Wish we had more of them in > >> >> >> the > >> >> >> world. > > >> >> >> On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 7:26 PM, wayne berry <[email protected]> > >> >> wrote: > > >> >> >>> oh god, keith, i love ya! but do not tell me that you really can't > >> see > >> >> >>> the > >> >> >>> forest for the trees? > >> >> >>> heterosexuality represents 90% of the population. in fact if i am > >> not > >> >> >>> carrying a CD by madonna in my rainbow colored purse, no one ever > >> >> >>> suspects > >> >> >>> i'm gay! no one suspects my husband is bisexual even when he says > >> >> >>> judas > >> >> >>> priest is his favorite metal band! because most people are > >> >> >>> straight, > >> >> the > >> >> >>> assumption both gays AND straights operate under is that when you > >> meet > >> >> a > >> >> >>> man > >> >> >>> you recognize that odds are pretty good he likes the ladies - you > >> got > >> >> >>> a > >> >> 9 > >> >> >>> in > >> >> >>> 10 chance and rarely will you be wrong. except when you ARE wrong. > >> >> >>> stereotypes exist because in any group you can name there are often > >> >> >>> people > >> >> >>> who fit certain ideas that are recognized - some jews ARE cheap, > >> some > >> >> >>> white > >> >> >>> people ARE incredibly "uptight", some gays DO prefer flowers to > >> >> >>> football... > >> >> >>> but within any stereotype there are plenty enough dissonances to > >> >> >>> reveal > >> >> a > >> >> >>> stereotype for what it is... a careless and casual painting of a > >> large > >> >> >>> group > >> >> >>> of people as being all the same, when indeed none of us are. > >> >> >>> no one has to say they are straight because there are so many of > >> >> >>> you > >> >> that > >> >> >>> you can scarcely imagine people who are not like you. > >> >> >>> my jobs in kitchens are not as regimented as the military, yet > >> there's > >> >> >>> still a certain amount of macho involved in the job! but here is > >> >> >>> the > >> >> >>> thing... in all but the most antiseptic atmospheres, someone is > >> gonna > >> >> ask > >> >> >>> you about your life outside the job. and there is nothing that > >> sounds > >> >> >>> worse > >> >> >>> than saying you don't have a girlfriend or a wife or even just some > >> >> girl > >> >> >>> you > >> >> >>> bang now and again, than saying, "oh, i'm sorry i don't talk about > >> >> >>> personal > >> >> >>> stuff like that." or weirder if you constantly avoid the question. > >> >> >>> when > >> >> >>> there is no penalty for telling the truth you are much less a freak > >> >> when > >> >> >>> you > >> >> >>> answer truthfully, "well, no i don't have a wife or a girlfriend... > >> >> >>> i'm > >> >> >>> gay > >> >> >>> and i have a husband/boyfriend... ' or even, "i'm not seeing anyone > >> >> >>> 'special' right now, but i'm doing OK, if ya catch my drift." > >> >> >>> i mean on one hand being gay informs a lot of my life (my tastes > >> >> >>> are > >> >> >>> somewhat different from yours, observably, aren't they?) but in the > >> >> most > >> >> >>> mundane aspects of life - the need for personal connection, the > >> >> >>> need > >> >> >>> to > >> >> >>> eat, > >> >> >>> the need to have some sort of meaning in your work? it's the same > >> for > >> >> >>> a > >> >> >>> straight guy as a gay guy. > >> >> >>> i really can't understand your need to cling to a fairly outdated > >> >> concept > >> >> >>> of what a gay man is when you are the moderator of a group that > >> gives > >> >> you > >> >> >>> every evidence of a gay men who are far from those stereotypical > >> >> >>> pictures. > > >> >> >>> On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 1:07 AM, Keith In Tampa > >> >> >>> <[email protected]>wrote: > > >> >> >>>> Hello Mustang! Good to see ya! > > >> >> >>>> First, I knew, when I wrote my initial missive, that there would > >> >> >>>> be > >> >> >>>> at > >> >> >>>> least one thinking, "common sense" kinda guy (<Grin!!> asshole!!) > >> >> >>>> who > >> >> >>>> would > >> >> >>>> call me on my last missive! Touche'! > > >> >> >>>> It is in fact a hard concept that I was attempting to frame, and > >> >> >>>> you > >> >> >>>> are correct....Sort of. > > >> >> >>>> Yes, as I stated, the military cultivates a "Macho" image, and it > >> is > >> >> >>>> hard > >> >> >>>> to not separate the Macho Man who is the ladies' man. This is in > >> >> direct > >> >> >>>> conflict with my statement that the military does not allow for > >> those > >> >> >>>> who > >> >> >>>> wear their sexual identity on their sleeve. > > >> >> >>>> There are a number of men in the military who do in fact play the > >> >> >>>> "cassanova" role. I will admit that to a degree, this is a double > >> >> >>>> standard > >> >> >>>> and in conflict with my premise. > > >> >> >>>> Having said that, in my 53 years, I have yet to meet a > >> Heterosexual, > >> >> who > >> >> >>>> identifies himself as a, "Heterosexual". That his whole life > >> >> >>>> revolves > >> >> >>>> around being, "Heterosexual". His politics; his social life; > >> his > >> >> >>>> mannerisms; his diet; his wardrobe; his decor; his passions, > >> likes, > >> >> >>>> dislikes, hatreds, loves, and yes, sexual appetite, are all > >> >> >>>> defined > >> >> >>>> by > >> >> >>>> his > >> >> >>>> "Straightness". > > >> >> >>>> Please point this/these individual(s) out to me. > > >> >> >>>> Therein lies the distinction, and no, nothing about the repeal of > >> >> >>>> DADT > >> >> >>>> will change the rejection by the United States Military on this > >> >> >>>> one > >> >> >>>> major > >> >> >>>> issue, of Gay men or women who choose to defend our Nation. Just > >> >> >>>> like > >> >> >>>> their > >> >> >>>> straight counterparts, they cannot and will not be able to > >> broadcast > >> >> >>>> their > >> >> >>>> sexual proclivities, as is done so much in the Gay community, and > >> >> maybe > >> >> >>>> in > >> >> >>>> some Heterosexual social circles; (Like the Nudist/Swapping > >> crews). > > >> >> >>>> KeithInDC > > >> >> >>>> On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 12:33 AM, Mustang <[email protected] > >> >> >wrote: > > >> >> >>>>> Keith, > > >> >> >>>>> While I agree with many, if not most, things you say we disagree > >> on > >> >> >>>>> a > >> >> >>>>> couple. This being one of them. > > >> >> >>>>> "The military does not allow for ANYONE, and this will include > >> >> >>>>> heterosexuals as well as homosexuals, to wear their sexuality > >> >> >>>>> openly, > >> >> >>>>> or to > >> >> >>>>> broadcast their sexual likes or dislikes publicly. > >> >> >>>>> " > > >> >> >>>>> Heterosexuals already do wear their sexuality preference openly. > > >> >> >>>>> Are you saying that everyone will suddenly be forbidden any > >> >> opportunity > >> >> >>>>> to display or even have pictures of their family and friends? No > >> >> >>>>> one > >> >> >>>>> will > >> >> >>>>> be allowed to admit they write, call, or discuss any > >> communications > >> >> >>>>> with > >> >> >>>>> their wives, husbands, girlfriends or boyfriends? No one will be > >> >> >>>>> allowed to > >> >> >>>>> talk about how things are going at home or plans after discharge? > >> >> >>>>> While on > >> >> >>>>> leave, no one can invite a male or female military friend to > >> >> >>>>> spend > >> >> the > >> >> >>>>> Holidays with a spouse, or to openly have two Dads or two Moms? > > >> >> >>>>> The Israeli military has not gone to hell in a hand basket. They > >> >> have > >> >> >>>>> no problem with both genders or gay people being drafted and then > >> >> >>>>> working > >> >> >>>>> cohesively. It's the same as acceptance of blacks and women was > >> >> >>>>> decades > >> >> >>>>> ago. Much ado about nothing. I am certain our military will be > >> >> >>>>> able > >> >> >>>>> to > >> >> >>>>> keep their minds focused on the tasks assigned. Anyone who is > >> >> >>>>> qualified > >> >> >>>>> should have the right to apply to defend our nation. Absolute > >> 100% > >> >> >>>>> heterosexuality should not be a requirement. Nothing will > >> >> >>>>> change. > > >> >> >>>>> Mustang > > >> >> >>>>> Bigotry disguised as morality is still bigotry just as an > >> >> >>>>> outhouse > >> >> with > >> >> >>>>> marble columns is still an outhouse. - D.A. Ridgely (whomever he > >> is) > > >> >> >>>>> ------------------------------ > >> >> >>>>> *From:* Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> > >> >> >>>>> *To:* [email protected] > >> >> >>>>> *Sent:* Sun, December 19, 2010 9:18:24 AM > > >> >> >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [Historical Pictorial] Victory! Senate Repeals > >> ‘Don’t > >> >> >>>>> Ask, Don’t Tell’, Despite 31 Republican No Votes and John > >> >> >>>>> McCain's > >> >> >>>>> Fillibuster Attempt > > >> >> >>>>> No question, I see this issue from a different perspective than I > >> >> >>>>> believe most do here in HP. > > >> >> >>>>> I don't see the DADT repeal as being all that significant, and > >> >> although > >> >> >>>>> I agree with Rob and his assessment, I also think that there is > >> a > >> >> >>>>> major > >> >> >>>>> component to all of this, that Rob, or anyone else in the group > >> has > >> >> >>>>> touched > >> >> >>>>> upon. > > >> >> >>>>> The military does not allow for ANYONE, and this will include > >> >> >>>>> heterosexuals as well as homosexuals, to wear their sexuality > >> >> >>>>> openly, > >> >> >>>>> or to > >> >> >>>>> broadcast their sexual likes or dislikes publicly. In other > >> words, > >> >> NO > >> >> >>>>> ONE > >> >> >>>>> in the military can be or will be identified by their sexual > >> >> >>>>> proclivities or > >> >> >>>>> sexual identification, which is a common factor in the Gay > >> >> >>>>> community. > >> >> >>>>> This > >> >> >>>>> is where so many in the Gay community are mistaken. > > >> >> >>>>> The military will boot out a service member who is an admitted > >> >> >>>>> adulterer. Service members who are into any type of > >> >> >>>>> sado-masochistic activities and make them public will be > >> >> >>>>> summarily > >> >> >>>>> discharged. Those service members who are into "swinging" and > >> have > >> >> >>>>> multiple > >> >> >>>>> sexual partners, and who make that aspect of their lives public, > >> >> >>>>> will > >> >> >>>>> be > >> >> >>>>> shown the door and discharged. All branches of the service > >> will > >> >> not > >> >> >>>>> condone any member who bases his or her lifestyle upon their > >> sexual > >> >> >>>>> identiy. > > >> >> >>>>> Nothng has changed. > > >> >> >>>>> Just as important, the military does in fact have and embrace a > >> >> "Macho" > >> >> >>>>> image. This is requisite for combat. Yes, there are women in the > >> >> >>>>> service > >> >> >>>>> but not in combat arms. The lifestyle is tough, rugged and most > >> >> >>>>> of > >> >> the > >> >> >>>>> time > >> >> >>>>> uncomfortable. The stereotypical Gay male will not be condoned. > >> The > >> >> >>>>> combat > >> >> >>>>> units of the Army and Marines are all male and all the males talk > >> >> about > >> >> >>>>> doing their girl friends as they charge the enemy with cigars > >> >> >>>>> hanging > >> >> >>>>> out > >> >> >>>>> their mouths; not penises. This is the image that our military > >> >> >>>>> cultivates. It is good for morale, it is good for unit > >> >> >>>>> cohesiveness, > >> >> >>>>> and > >> >> >>>>> most importantly, it is but one component of what makes our > >> military > >> >> >>>>> the > >> >> >>>>> mightiest in the world. Again, this image is not going to > >> change. > > >> >> >>>>> -- > >> >> >>>>> Thanks for participating in the Google Group, Historical > >> Pictorial, > >> >> >>>>> which is the premiere men's forum on the web; focusing on > >> historical > >> >> >>>>> media, > >> >> >>>>> and discussions of contemporary issues as well as our chronicled > >> >> past! > > >> >> >>>>> For options and help, please visit the group at: > >> >> >>>>>http://groups.google.com/group/Historical-Pictoral > > >> >> >>>>> -- > >> >> >>>>> Thanks for participating in the Google Group, Historical > >> Pictorial, > >> >> >>>>> which is the premiere men's forum on the web; focusing on > >> historical > >> >> >>>>> media, > >> >> >>>>> and discussions of contemporary issues as well as our chronicled > >> >> past! > > >> >> >>>>> For options and help, please visit the group at: > >> >> >>>>>http://groups.google.com/group/Historical-Pictoral > > >> >> >>>> -- > >> >> >>>> Thanks for participating in the Google Group, Historical > >> >> >>>> Pictorial, > >> >> >>>> which > >> >> >>>> is the premiere men's forum on the web; focusing on historical > >> media, > >> >> >>>> and > >> >> >>>> discussions of contemporary issues as well as our chronicled past! > > >> >> >>>> For options and help, please visit the group at: > >> >> >>>>http://groups.google.com/group/Historical-Pictoral > > >> >> >>> -- > >> >> >>> - wayne. > > >> >> >>> goto>http://waynes-nude-musicians.blogspot.com/ > >> >> >>> http://blueguitar.tumblr.com/ > > >> >> >>> -- > >> >> >>> Thanks for participating in the Google Group, Historical Pictorial, > >> >> which > >> >> >>> is the premiere men's forum on the web; focusing on historical > >> media, > >> >> and > >> >> >>> discussions of contemporary issues as well as our chronicled past! > > >> >> >>> For options and help, please visit the group at: > >> >> >>>http://groups.google.com/group/Historical-Pictoral > > >> >> >> -- > >> >> >> Thanks for participating in the Google Group, Historical Pictorial, > >> >> which > >> >> >> is the premiere men's forum on the web; focusing on historical > >> >> >> media, > >> >> and > >> >> >> discussions of contemporary issues as well as our chronicled past! > > >> >> >> For options and help, please visit the group at: > >> >> >>http://groups.google.com/group/Historical-Pictoral > > >> >> > -- > >> >> > Thanks for participating in the Google Group, Historical Pictorial, > >> >> > which > >> >> is > >> >> > the premiere men's forum on the web; focusing on historical media, > >> >> > and > >> >> > discussions of contemporary issues as well as our chronicled past! > > >> >> > For options and help, please visit the group at: > >> >> >http://groups.google.com/group/Historical-Pictoral > > >> >> -- > >> >> Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time. > >> >> Have a great day, > >> >> Tommy > > >> >> -- > >> >> Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. > >> >> For options & help seehttp://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum > > >> >> * Visit our other community at > >> >>http://www.PoliticalForum.com/<http://www.politicalforum.com/> > >> >> * It's active and moderated. 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