LilMarxistMoonbatTommyTomTomForNews, How, or why would you make such a slanderous statement as that? Can you point to something that would make you say such a hateful lie and a smear against my person?
Either point to a post, with the quote, or make an apology. One or the other, KeithInTampa On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 12:09 AM, Tommy News <[email protected]> wrote: > Keith does not champion gays as equals. > He sees them as second class citizens. > > > On 12/22/10, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > > Tommy, > > > > Where is the need to champion ANY group when you champion all as equals > ?? > > > > On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 10:00 AM, Tommy News <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > >> Keith- > >> > >> Although you flippantly state that "Yea, I am an arrogant asshole", > >> you are in fact a misguided homophobe, as you have demonstrated > >> clearly in your anti-gay statements in these groups. > >> > >> I suggest that you make youself a New Year's resolution to become an > >> ally, champion, and advocate for your oppressed gay friends and group > >> members, as other Republicans have done. > >> > >> Merry Christmas. > >> > >> On 12/20/10, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > Hey Wayne! > >> > > >> > How do ya think stereotypes get started? Any truth to them? > >> > > >> > Hey Vince! > >> > > >> > Well, the last thing I wanted to come across as, was condescending! > >> > Yea, > >> I > >> > am an arrogant asshole, but usually a pretty friendly asshole! Nope, > >> > not > >> > pacifying anyone, ya wanna hear the truth? Come on over and I will > >> > shed > >> > the light for ya! > >> > > >> > Good to see ya, and Merry Christmas! > >> > > >> > KeithInDC > >> > > >> > On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 9:03 PM, vince brackney > >> > <[email protected]>wrote: > >> > > >> >> You know it isn't really worth the effort to get Keith to see the > other > >> >> side of the coin. Nothing more condescending than someone who claims > >> they > >> >> are not prejudice and then make the statements that he does. It like > >> >> saying > >> >> I have gay friends so I am not a hater, when really they are just > >> >> pacifying > >> >> us. > >> >> > >> >> He is really saying these things based on his experience of years > ago, > >> and > >> >> I suspect that was before DADT was even in existence. He has opinion > >> just > >> >> like everyone else. And everyone has the right to his or hers own > >> opinion. > >> >> I > >> >> just wish it wasn't aired in this group. > >> >> > >> >> I am very thankful for the straight friends I do have that are truly > >> >> not > >> >> prejudice and except me for who I am. Wish we had more of them in the > >> >> world. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 7:26 PM, wayne berry <[email protected]> > >> wrote: > >> >> > >> >>> oh god, keith, i love ya! but do not tell me that you really can't > see > >> >>> the > >> >>> forest for the trees? > >> >>> heterosexuality represents 90% of the population. in fact if i am > not > >> >>> carrying a CD by madonna in my rainbow colored purse, no one ever > >> >>> suspects > >> >>> i'm gay! no one suspects my husband is bisexual even when he says > >> >>> judas > >> >>> priest is his favorite metal band! because most people are straight, > >> the > >> >>> assumption both gays AND straights operate under is that when you > meet > >> a > >> >>> man > >> >>> you recognize that odds are pretty good he likes the ladies - you > got > >> >>> a > >> 9 > >> >>> in > >> >>> 10 chance and rarely will you be wrong. except when you ARE wrong. > >> >>> stereotypes exist because in any group you can name there are often > >> >>> people > >> >>> who fit certain ideas that are recognized - some jews ARE cheap, > some > >> >>> white > >> >>> people ARE incredibly "uptight", some gays DO prefer flowers to > >> >>> football... > >> >>> but within any stereotype there are plenty enough dissonances to > >> >>> reveal > >> a > >> >>> stereotype for what it is... a careless and casual painting of a > large > >> >>> group > >> >>> of people as being all the same, when indeed none of us are. > >> >>> no one has to say they are straight because there are so many of you > >> that > >> >>> you can scarcely imagine people who are not like you. > >> >>> my jobs in kitchens are not as regimented as the military, yet > there's > >> >>> still a certain amount of macho involved in the job! but here is the > >> >>> thing... in all but the most antiseptic atmospheres, someone is > gonna > >> ask > >> >>> you about your life outside the job. and there is nothing that > sounds > >> >>> worse > >> >>> than saying you don't have a girlfriend or a wife or even just some > >> girl > >> >>> you > >> >>> bang now and again, than saying, "oh, i'm sorry i don't talk about > >> >>> personal > >> >>> stuff like that." or weirder if you constantly avoid the question. > >> >>> when > >> >>> there is no penalty for telling the truth you are much less a freak > >> when > >> >>> you > >> >>> answer truthfully, "well, no i don't have a wife or a girlfriend... > >> >>> i'm > >> >>> gay > >> >>> and i have a husband/boyfriend... ' or even, "i'm not seeing anyone > >> >>> 'special' right now, but i'm doing OK, if ya catch my drift." > >> >>> i mean on one hand being gay informs a lot of my life (my tastes are > >> >>> somewhat different from yours, observably, aren't they?) but in the > >> most > >> >>> mundane aspects of life - the need for personal connection, the need > >> >>> to > >> >>> eat, > >> >>> the need to have some sort of meaning in your work? it's the same > for > >> >>> a > >> >>> straight guy as a gay guy. > >> >>> i really can't understand your need to cling to a fairly outdated > >> concept > >> >>> of what a gay man is when you are the moderator of a group that > gives > >> you > >> >>> every evidence of a gay men who are far from those stereotypical > >> >>> pictures. > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 1:07 AM, Keith In Tampa > >> >>> <[email protected]>wrote: > >> >>> > >> >>>> Hello Mustang! Good to see ya! > >> >>>> > >> >>>> First, I knew, when I wrote my initial missive, that there would be > >> >>>> at > >> >>>> least one thinking, "common sense" kinda guy (<Grin!!> asshole!!) > >> >>>> who > >> >>>> would > >> >>>> call me on my last missive! Touche'! > >> >>>> > >> >>>> It is in fact a hard concept that I was attempting to frame, and > >> >>>> you > >> >>>> are correct....Sort of. > >> >>>> > >> >>>> Yes, as I stated, the military cultivates a "Macho" image, and it > is > >> >>>> hard > >> >>>> to not separate the Macho Man who is the ladies' man. This is in > >> direct > >> >>>> conflict with my statement that the military does not allow for > those > >> >>>> who > >> >>>> wear their sexual identity on their sleeve. > >> >>>> > >> >>>> There are a number of men in the military who do in fact play the > >> >>>> "cassanova" role. I will admit that to a degree, this is a double > >> >>>> standard > >> >>>> and in conflict with my premise. > >> >>>> > >> >>>> Having said that, in my 53 years, I have yet to meet a > Heterosexual, > >> who > >> >>>> identifies himself as a, "Heterosexual". That his whole life > >> >>>> revolves > >> >>>> around being, "Heterosexual". His politics; his social life; > his > >> >>>> mannerisms; his diet; his wardrobe; his decor; his passions, > likes, > >> >>>> dislikes, hatreds, loves, and yes, sexual appetite, are all defined > >> >>>> by > >> >>>> his > >> >>>> "Straightness". > >> >>>> > >> >>>> Please point this/these individual(s) out to me. > >> >>>> > >> >>>> Therein lies the distinction, and no, nothing about the repeal of > >> >>>> DADT > >> >>>> will change the rejection by the United States Military on this one > >> >>>> major > >> >>>> issue, of Gay men or women who choose to defend our Nation. Just > >> >>>> like > >> >>>> their > >> >>>> straight counterparts, they cannot and will not be able to > broadcast > >> >>>> their > >> >>>> sexual proclivities, as is done so much in the Gay community, and > >> maybe > >> >>>> in > >> >>>> some Heterosexual social circles; (Like the Nudist/Swapping > crews). > >> >>>> > >> >>>> KeithInDC > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 12:33 AM, Mustang <[email protected] > >> >wrote: > >> >>>> > >> >>>>> Keith, > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> While I agree with many, if not most, things you say we disagree > on > >> >>>>> a > >> >>>>> couple. This being one of them. > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> "The military does not allow for ANYONE, and this will include > >> >>>>> heterosexuals as well as homosexuals, to wear their sexuality > >> >>>>> openly, > >> >>>>> or to > >> >>>>> broadcast their sexual likes or dislikes publicly. > >> >>>>> " > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> Heterosexuals already do wear their sexuality preference openly. > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> Are you saying that everyone will suddenly be forbidden any > >> opportunity > >> >>>>> to display or even have pictures of their family and friends? No > >> >>>>> one > >> >>>>> will > >> >>>>> be allowed to admit they write, call, or discuss any > communications > >> >>>>> with > >> >>>>> their wives, husbands, girlfriends or boyfriends? No one will be > >> >>>>> allowed to > >> >>>>> talk about how things are going at home or plans after discharge? > >> >>>>> While on > >> >>>>> leave, no one can invite a male or female military friend to spend > >> the > >> >>>>> Holidays with a spouse, or to openly have two Dads or two Moms? > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> The Israeli military has not gone to hell in a hand basket. They > >> have > >> >>>>> no problem with both genders or gay people being drafted and then > >> >>>>> working > >> >>>>> cohesively. It's the same as acceptance of blacks and women was > >> >>>>> decades > >> >>>>> ago. Much ado about nothing. I am certain our military will be > >> >>>>> able > >> >>>>> to > >> >>>>> keep their minds focused on the tasks assigned. Anyone who is > >> >>>>> qualified > >> >>>>> should have the right to apply to defend our nation. Absolute > 100% > >> >>>>> heterosexuality should not be a requirement. Nothing will change. > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> Mustang > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> Bigotry disguised as morality is still bigotry just as an outhouse > >> with > >> >>>>> marble columns is still an outhouse. - D.A. Ridgely (whomever he > is) > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> ------------------------------ > >> >>>>> *From:* Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> > >> >>>>> *To:* [email protected] > >> >>>>> *Sent:* Sun, December 19, 2010 9:18:24 AM > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [Historical Pictorial] Victory! Senate Repeals > ‘Don’t > >> >>>>> Ask, Don’t Tell’, Despite 31 Republican No Votes and John McCain's > >> >>>>> Fillibuster Attempt > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> No question, I see this issue from a different perspective than I > >> >>>>> believe most do here in HP. > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> I don't see the DADT repeal as being all that significant, and > >> although > >> >>>>> I agree with Rob and his assessment, I also think that there is > a > >> >>>>> major > >> >>>>> component to all of this, that Rob, or anyone else in the group > has > >> >>>>> touched > >> >>>>> upon. > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> The military does not allow for ANYONE, and this will include > >> >>>>> heterosexuals as well as homosexuals, to wear their sexuality > >> >>>>> openly, > >> >>>>> or to > >> >>>>> broadcast their sexual likes or dislikes publicly. In other > words, > >> NO > >> >>>>> ONE > >> >>>>> in the military can be or will be identified by their sexual > >> >>>>> proclivities or > >> >>>>> sexual identification, which is a common factor in the Gay > >> >>>>> community. > >> >>>>> This > >> >>>>> is where so many in the Gay community are mistaken. > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> The military will boot out a service member who is an admitted > >> >>>>> adulterer. Service members who are into any type of > >> >>>>> sado-masochistic activities and make them public will be summarily > >> >>>>> discharged. Those service members who are into "swinging" and > have > >> >>>>> multiple > >> >>>>> sexual partners, and who make that aspect of their lives public, > >> >>>>> will > >> >>>>> be > >> >>>>> shown the door and discharged. All branches of the service > will > >> not > >> >>>>> condone any member who bases his or her lifestyle upon their > sexual > >> >>>>> identiy. > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> Nothng has changed. > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> Just as important, the military does in fact have and embrace a > >> "Macho" > >> >>>>> image. This is requisite for combat. Yes, there are women in the > >> >>>>> service > >> >>>>> but not in combat arms. The lifestyle is tough, rugged and most of > >> the > >> >>>>> time > >> >>>>> uncomfortable. The stereotypical Gay male will not be condoned. > The > >> >>>>> combat > >> >>>>> units of the Army and Marines are all male and all the males talk > >> about > >> >>>>> doing their girl friends as they charge the enemy with cigars > >> >>>>> hanging > >> >>>>> out > >> >>>>> their mouths; not penises. This is the image that our military > >> >>>>> cultivates. It is good for morale, it is good for unit > >> >>>>> cohesiveness, > >> >>>>> and > >> >>>>> most importantly, it is but one component of what makes our > military > >> >>>>> the > >> >>>>> mightiest in the world. Again, this image is not going to > change. > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> -- > >> >>>>> Thanks for participating in the Google Group, Historical > Pictorial, > >> >>>>> which is the premiere men's forum on the web; focusing on > historical > >> >>>>> media, > >> >>>>> and discussions of contemporary issues as well as our chronicled > >> past! > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> For options and help, please visit the group at: > >> >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/Historical-Pictoral > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> -- > >> >>>>> Thanks for participating in the Google Group, Historical > Pictorial, > >> >>>>> which is the premiere men's forum on the web; focusing on > historical > >> >>>>> media, > >> >>>>> and discussions of contemporary issues as well as our chronicled > >> past! > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> For options and help, please visit the group at: > >> >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/Historical-Pictoral > >> >>>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> -- > >> >>>> Thanks for participating in the Google Group, Historical Pictorial, > >> >>>> which > >> >>>> is the premiere men's forum on the web; focusing on historical > media, > >> >>>> and > >> >>>> discussions of contemporary issues as well as our chronicled past! > >> >>>> > >> >>>> For options and help, please visit the group at: > >> >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/Historical-Pictoral > >> >>>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> -- > >> >>> - wayne. > >> >>> > >> >>> goto> http://waynes-nude-musicians.blogspot.com/ > >> >>> http://blueguitar.tumblr.com/ > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> -- > >> >>> Thanks for participating in the Google Group, Historical Pictorial, > >> which > >> >>> is the premiere men's forum on the web; focusing on historical > media, > >> and > >> >>> discussions of contemporary issues as well as our chronicled past! > >> >>> > >> >>> For options and help, please visit the group at: > >> >>> http://groups.google.com/group/Historical-Pictoral > >> >>> > >> >> > >> >> -- > >> >> Thanks for participating in the Google Group, Historical Pictorial, > >> which > >> >> is the premiere men's forum on the web; focusing on historical media, > >> and > >> >> discussions of contemporary issues as well as our chronicled past! > >> >> > >> >> For options and help, please visit the group at: > >> >> http://groups.google.com/group/Historical-Pictoral > >> >> > >> > > >> > -- > >> > Thanks for participating in the Google Group, Historical Pictorial, > >> > which > >> is > >> > the premiere men's forum on the web; focusing on historical media, and > >> > discussions of contemporary issues as well as our chronicled past! > >> > > >> > For options and help, please visit the group at: > >> > http://groups.google.com/group/Historical-Pictoral > >> > > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time. > >> Have a great day, > >> Tommy > >> > >> -- > >> Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. > >> For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum > >> > >> * Visit our other community at > >> http://www.PoliticalForum.com/<http://www.politicalforum.com/> > >> * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. > >> * Read the latest breaking news, and more. > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > Mark M. Kahle H. > > > > -- > > Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. > > For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum > > > > * Visit our other community at > > http://www.PoliticalForum.com/<http://www.politicalforum.com/> > > * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. > > * Read the latest breaking news, and more. > > > -- > Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time. > Have a great day, > Tommy > > -- > Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. > For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum > > * Visit our other community at > http://www.PoliticalForum.com/<http://www.politicalforum.com/> > * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. > * Read the latest breaking news, and more. > -- Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. 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