[CTRL] FW: [SandyBeaches] RE: Gas Additives to Water.....Please Pass this on!!!

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Subject: [SandyBeaches] RE: Gas Additives to Water...Please Pass this on!!!


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Hi,

This is very important!!! Please pass it on to all your friends.
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Gas Additive Pollutes Water

The other day I watched 60 minutes, they were exposing the greatest
deliberate poisoning of the US population since the atomic era.

http://www.iwon.com/home/news/news_article/0,11746,150456|top|01-18-2000::10
:10|cbs,00.html

A scientist was interviewed about this matter and he said:  "If I was given
the task to pollute the world with the most toxic substance, I would do what
they did, put this additive in gasoline, within a few years it will pollute
the drinking water in 80% of the country..."

This additive has been on the market for 10 years now. It was forced into
law by President Bush, every gallon of gasoline must contain at least 2% of
this additive.  Now entire towns in the US are dead, no one can live there,
no bank will loan the residents, they cannot sell their properties, and
cancer is eating them alive.  EPA does not require testing for this
chemical, they are planing to make it mandatory in a few years.

21 states have had wells shut down due to MTBE groundwater contamination.
And many lakes show the presence of this toxic chemical, to the point that
it's not safe to wash your hands with this water.

Please read this article, and if possible try to get the original 60 minutes
video.

You have to see it to believe it!

Remember that knowledge is power  Have your water tested.

Please pass this information to as many people as you can.

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[CTRL] FW: [bigchat] SCIENTISTS PROVE SUPERIOR NUTRITIVE VALUE OF ORGANIC FOOD

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From: Jeannette [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2000 11:32 AM
Subject:  SCIENTISTS PROVE SUPERIOR NUTRITIVE VALUE OF ORGANIC
FOOD


From: Jeannette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

If you are not yet choosing organic foods, this article may tip the scales
in favour of them to not only avoid all the damaging chemicals from
pesticides, fungicides, etc. but also the MUCH higher nutrition.

Jeannette


SCIENTISTS PROVE SUPERIOR NUTRITIVE VALUE OF ORGANIC FOOD

Researchers at Rutgers University set-out to disprove the claim that
"Organic Is Better".  They purchased selections of produce at
supermarkets and healthfood stores and analyzed for mineral content.

Organic foods were those grown without the use of chemical pesticides or
artificial fertilizers.  Non-organic foods, referred to here as
"commercial," were grown with a variety of chemicals that enhance growth
or destroy pests, many of which are known or suspected carcinogens
(cancer-causing) and which cause greater erosion to the environment and
wildlife.
The idea that organic crops are nutritionally superior has been accepted
largely on faith.  There has been very little hard evidence to support
this supposition.

Rutgers researchers expected the organic produce to be maybe slightly
higher in comparison, but the results were astounding!  The amount of
iron in the organic spinach was 97% more than the commercial spinach,
and the manganese was 99% greater in the organic.  Many essential trace
elements were completely absent in the commercial produce whereas they
were abundant, comparatively, in their organically grown counterparts.

MAJOR MINERALS Milliequivalents per 100 Grams Dry Weight:
Trace Elements, Parts per Million Dry Matter

MINERAL:PHOSPHOROUS MAGNESIUM

SNAP BEANS
 ORGANIC 10.45 0.36
 COMMERCIAL4.04 0.22
CABBAGE
 ORGANIC 10.38 0.38
 COMMERCIAL6.12 0.18
LETTUCE
  ORGANIC 24.48 0.43
 COMMERCIAL7.01 0.22
TOMATOES
 ORGANIC  14.2 0.35
 COMMERCIAL 6.07 0.16
SPINACH
 ORGANIC   28.56 0.52
 COMMERCIAL  12.38 0.27


MINERAL:   SODIUMMANGANESE

SNAP BEANS
 ORGANIC 40.5 60
 COMMERCIAL   15.5   14.8
CABBAGE
 ORGANIC 60.0 43.6
 COMMERCIAL   17.5 13.6
LETTUCE
 ORGANIC 71 49.3
 COMMERCIAL   16  13.1
TOMATOES
 ORGANIC 23 59.2
 COMMERCIAL   4.5 4.5
SPINACH
 ORGANIC 96 203.9
 COMMERCIAL   47.5 46.9

MINERAL:COPPER ASH

SNAP BEANS
 ORGANIC  99.7 8.6
 COMMERCIAL29.1 0.9
CABBAGE
 ORGANIC 148.3 20.4
 COMMERCIAL 33.7 0.8
LETTUCE
 ORGANIC  176.5 12.2
 COMMERCIAL  53.7 0
TOMATOES
 ORGANIC  148.3 6.5
 COMMERCIAL  58.8 0
SPINACH
 ORGANIC 237 69.5
 COMMERCIAL   84.6 0


MINERAL:CALCIUMPOTASSIUM

SNAP BEANS
 ORGANIC 73 60
 COMMERCIAL10 2
CABBAGE
 ORGANIC 42 13
 COMMERCIAL 7 2
LETTUCE
 ORGANIC 37 169
 COMMERCIAL 6 1
TOMATOES
 ORGANIC 36 68
 COMMERCIAL 3 1
SPINACH
 ORGANIC 88 117
 COMMERCIAL   12 1


MINERAL:BORON   IRON

SNAP BEANS
 ORGANIC 22769
 COMMERCIAL10 3
CABBAGE
 ORGANIC  94 48
 COMMERCIAL20 0.4
LETTUCE
 ORGANIC 51660
 COMMERCIAL9 3
TOMATOES
 ORGANIC193853
 COMMERCIAL1 0
SPINACH
 ORGANIC1584   32
 COMMERCIAL49 0.3


MINERAL:  COBALT

SNAP BEANS
 ORGANIC 0.26
 COMMERCIAL0
CABBAGE
 ORGANIC   

[CTRL] FW:This is Important !

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Subj:If you drink Diet Pepsi or Coke, read this
Date:   1/16/00 1:19:11 AM GMT Standard Time
From:   [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jorma Persson)
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Friends)

This is not spam, I just want to pass this article along to you. If you're
not interested in it, please just delete it.
Thank you
Jorma Persson
**
WORLD ENVIRONMENTAL CONFERENCE and the MULTIPLE SCLEROSIS FOUNDATION  F.D.A.
ISSUING FOR COLLUSION WITH MONSANTO
Article written by Nancy Markle (1120197)

I have spent several days lecturing at the WORLD ENVIRONMENTAL CONFERENCE on
"ASPARTAME marketed as 'NutraSweet', 'Equal', and 'Spoonful"'. In the
keynote
address by the EPA, they announced that there was an epidemic of   multiple
sclerosis and systemic lupus, and they did not understand what toxin was
causing this to be rampant across the
United States. I explained that I was there to lecture on exactly that
subject.

When the temperature of Aspartame exceeds 86 degrees F, the wood alcohol in
ASPARTAME coverts to formaldehyde and then to formic  acid, which in turn
causes metabolic acidosis. (Formic acid is the poison found in the sting of
fire ants). The methanol toxicity mimics multiple sclerosis; thus people
were
being diagnosed with having multiple sclerosis in error. The multiple
sclerosis is not a death sentence, where methanol toxicity is.

In the case of systemic lupus, we are finding it has become almost as
rampant
as multiple sclerosis, especially Diet Coke and Diet Pepsi drinkers. Also,
with methanol toxicity, the victims usually drink three to four 12 oz. Cans
of them per day, some even more. In the cases of systemic lupus, which is
triggered by ASPARTAME, the victim  usually does not know that the aspartame
is the culprit The victim continues  its use
aggravating the lupus to such a degree, that sometimes it becomes  life
threatening.   When we get people off the aspartame, those with systemic
lupus usually becomes asymptomatic. Unfortunately, we can not reverse this
disease.

On the other hand, in the case of those diagnosed with Multiple
Sclerosis,   (when in reality, the disease is methanol toxicity), most of
the
symptoms disappear. We have seen cases where their vision has returned and
even their hearing has returned. This also applies to cases of tinnitus.

During a lecture I said "If you are using ASPARTAME  (NutraSweet, Equal,
Spoonful, etc.) and you suffer from fibromyalgia  symptoms, spasms, shooting
pains, numbness in your legs, cramps, vertigo, dizziness, headaches,
tinnitus, joint pain, depression, anxiety attacks,  slurred speech, blurred
vision, or memory loss-you probably has ASPARTAME DISEASE!" People were
jumping up during the lecture saying, "I've got
this, is it reversible?"   It is rampant. Some of the speakers at my lecture
even were suffering from   these symptoms. In one lecture attended by the
Ambassador of Uganda, he told us that their sugar industry is adding
aspartame! He continued by saying that one of the industry leader's son
could
no longer walk - due   in part by product usage!

We have a very serious problem. Even a stranger came up to Dr. Espisto (one
of my speakers) and myself and said, 'Could you tell me  why so many people
seem to be coming down with MS? During a visit to a hospice, a nurse said
that six of her friends, who were heavy Diet Coke addicts, had all been
diagnosed with MS. This is beyond coincidence.

Here is the problem. There were Congressional Hearings when aspartame was
included in 100 different products. Since this initial hearing, there have
been two subsequent hearings, but to no avail. Nothing as been done. The
drug
and chemical lobbies have very deep pockets. Now there are over 5,000
products containing this chemical, and the PATENT HAS EXPIRED!   At
the time of this first hearing, people were going blind. The methanol in the
aspartame converts to formaldehyde in the retina of the eye.

Formaldehyde is grouped in the same class of dmgs as cyanide and
arsenic - DEADLY POISONS!!! Unfortunately, it just takes longer to quietly
kill, but it is killing people and causing all kinds of  neurological
problems.

Aspartame changes the brain's chemistry. It is the reason for severe
seizures. This drug changes the dopamine level in the brain. Imagine what
this drug does to patients suffering from Parkinson's Disease. This drug
also
causes Birth Defects.

There is absolutely no reason to take this product. It is NOT A DIET
PRODUCT!!! The Congressional record said, "It makes you crave carbohydrates
and will make you FAT". Dr. Roberts stated that when he got patients off
aspartame, their average weight loss was 19 pounds per person. The
formaldehyde stores in the fat cells, particularly in the hips and thighs.

Aspartame is especially deadly for diabetics. All physicians know what wood
alcohol will do to a diabetic. We find that physicians believe that 

Re: [CTRL] Fw: URGENT ACTION IS REQUIRED!

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Below when I stated : "That State", I meant Mr. Blair's State, of course :)

On the other hand, the Greek Government made a clear statement at the
European Parliament lately saying they will not fight or otherwise hamper
Turkey's candidacy into the EC from now on.
Frans

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In a message dated 01/16/2000 4:22:39 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<<
 It isn't a secret for anybody that Turkey wants badly to be recognised as
 worthy to be a candidate and join the European Community. As The EC is
 considering the matter and this below is not a question on the ballot in
 regard of such candidacy, is this to say that the EC is considering
 accepting a fascist state in its club of nations? If the answer is yes one
 must argue then that the EC is on the fascist slope itself!
 I don't see this as a viable option to think about, not yet anyway, even
 though the fast disapearance of all kinds of rights and liberties since Mr.
 Blair 's Bilderberg approved policies are in the making.
 That State as it is a direct menace for democracy in Europe should never be
 accepted by the EC! This could of course be another decisive threshold into
 the appreciation of Europe being on that fascist slope or not! But this is
 an entire different debate. Nevertheless it sets the stage for the spirit
in
 which Turkey wishes to rejoin this club of Nations. >>

There's little doubt that Turkey is a true Democracy.  That there is
mistreatment of prisoners (both criminal and political) cannot be denied.
That is, however, true of this country where it is done sneakily, but anyone
who keeps track of things going on in our prisons and what was done to the
McDougals, knows it is a fact here.  Turkey will probably not be accepted
into the European Union, but the real reason is that Greece will fight such
acceptance, and Greece always wins.  Prudy

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[CTRL] FW: Health - Part 1: Erb's/Cerebral Palsy EASILY preventable some of the time?

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Forwarded without comment.
Any comments or questions should be taken up with  Todd Gastaldo
([EMAIL PROTECTED])

In a message dated 1/14/00 2:56:19 GMT Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
<< Subj: Erb's/Cerebral Palsy EASILY preventable some of the time?
 Date:  1/14/00 2:56:19 GMT Standard Time
 From:  [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Todd Gastaldo)

 ATTENTION parents of children with unexplained Erb's palsy, unexplained
 Cerebral Palsy, unexplained motor and sensory deficits, unexplained low
 APGARs, unexplained stillbirth, etc.  See my list of questions put to
 "Quackbuster" Fox toward the end of this post...

 Regarding the following four points, PLEASE read Point 4 carefully.


 1.  MDs indirectly ADMIT that the most common delivery positions (dorsal
and
 semisitting) jam mothers' sacral tips up to 4.0 cm into their pelvic
outlets
 (4.O cm is about 1.5 inches)...  See below.

 2.  MDs indirectly admit that dorsal and semisitting delivery positions
 cause up to 4.0 cm of fetal skull distortion... See below.

 3.  MDs claim that 0.5 to 1.0 cm of distortion can KILL... See below.

 4.  MDs DIRECTLY admit that, in semisitting delivery, after the fetal head
 is born (squashed up to 4 cm) - the shoulders can get stuck via the same
 mechanism - thereby causing SHOULDER DYSTOCIA...


 "[F]actors tending to cause SHOULDER DYSYTOCIA...CREATED BY THE DORSAL
 LITHOTOMY POSITION...the sacrum...[is] the main pressure point of the
pelvis
 in the lithotomy position..."
 (emphasis added) [Smeltzer. Clin Obstet Gynecol 1986;29(2):299-308]

 British obstetrician Jason Gardosi, MD says in effect that the bizarre
 obstetric delivery method called semisitting causes "many" cases of
 "so-called" shoulder dystocia...
 http://home1.gte.net/gastaldo/part2ftc.html

 Here is Dr. Gardosi informing thousands of obstetricians - to no avail...

 "The anterio-posterior [OUTLET] diameter is reduced in recumbent and
 lithotomy positions where the weight is taken on the sacrum. The sacrum is
 capable of rotational movement through an axis at the upper part of the
 sacro-iliac joint..." Jason Gardosi MD FRCS MRCOG Queen's Medical Centre,
 Nottingham NG7 2UH, U.K.
 

 Dr. Gardosi wrote further:

 "There have been several radiological studies suggesting that recumbent and
 lithotomy positions reduce the pelvic outlet. Ironically, this is the
 position in which many women end up for instrumental delivery due to failed
 progress - a particularly high risk situation for real shoulder dystocia!"
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ob/Gyn, Queen's Medical Centre University of
 Nottingham, UK
 

 And finally, Dr. Gardosi wrote:

 "Many so called 'shoulder dystocias' are just difficult deliveries caused
by
 a recumbent position. Apart from the sacrum being pushed upward, reducing
 the AP diameter, it is difficult to allow lateral flexion when the
 presenting shoulder abuts on the mattress"
 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Ob/Gyn, Queen's Medical Centre University
 of Nottingham, UK
 

 Shoulder dystocia can be fatal.

 Shoulder dystocia can also cause Brachial Plexus Palsy crippling children
 temporarily - or for life.

 Shoulder dystocia is understandably the condition that obstetricians fear
 most...

 See...

 “MDs fear this/OBs on shoulder dystocia”…
 http://www.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=329325910

 Incredibly, Dr. Gardosi, just mentioned, is said to think I am a "malicious
 nutcase" for protesting routine fetal skull squashing/shoulder trapping...

 British obstetrician Malcolm Griffiths, MD wrote:

 “I think it's clear that Jason & I consider this guy a malicious nutcase.”
 http://forums.obgyn.net/ob-gyn-l/OBGYNL.9707/0159.html

 (Dr. Griffiths was referring to the fact that, in 1997, when I came onto
 OB-GYN-List to notify obstetricians of these facts, I was censored by
 OB-GYN-Listowner Geffrey Klein, MD - but not before two of my posts were
 automatically archived in the OB-GYN-List archive... I had pointed out that
 Dr. Griffiths had his biomechanics backwards.  See...
 http://forums.obgyn.net/forums/ob-gyn-l/OBGYNL.9707/0128.html
 http://forums.obgyn.net/forums/ob-gyn-l/OBGYNL.9707/0153.html )

 In response to my OB-GYN-List posts, Dr. Gardosi indicated he had made
 "corrections" of my "various misquotes and misinterpretations" back in 1990
 when we first corresponded:

 >Just for the record, I have responded to Mr Gestaldo's comments when he
 >first wrote to me several years ago, and have nothing to add here. I
 >failed to make any headway then, and am not likely to succeed now, in
 >correcting his various misquotes and misinterpretations.
 >

 Dr. Griffiths replied:

 Jason,
 Thanks for this mail and the one to the list on the subject.
 He's mad !
 Malcolm 
 http://forums.obgyn.net/ob-gyn-l/OBGYNL.9707/0158.

[CTRL] FW: Health - Part 2: Erb's/Cerebral Palsy EASILY preventable some of the time?

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PARENTS:  Please ask yourselves:  Why let ANY deliveries proceed with the
 birth canal "massively" closed?

 ("Massive" is the word used by the MDs who conducted the obviously bogus
 cover-up research.  See http://home1.gte.net/gastaldo/part2ftc.html )

 I think the grisly practice continues because MDs are frightened.

 They are frightened that new malpractice suits and criminal charges could
be
 brought...

 AND they are frightened that OLD malpractice lawsuits could be reopened.

 This is why I openly call for pardons in advance for MDs - even after one
 "quackbuster" (Fox; see below), called me a "f**king idiot" for calling for
 such pardons...

 One Harvard MD (Rind) tried an ad hominem attack (called me "loony") then
 admitted he didn't know enough about obstetrics to argue with me about the
 bizarre fetal skull squashing/shoulder trapping biomechanics.

 Ultimately, this Harvard MD tried to redefine ad hominem to account for his
 failure to act to help mothers and babies...

 See "MDs frightened/Harvard MD Rind’s intellectual dishonesty"...
 http://www.deja.com/=dnc/getdoc.xp?AN=490807417

 When New Zealand's Kerry Thornbury [MD] wrote:

 "we want evidence that 'skull squashing' occurs at all, except maybe in
 women with abnormal pelvic size or shape.
 http://www.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=500913106

 I replied:

 "I want evidence that 'skull squashing' *ISN'T* occurring - as MDs lie
about
 simple biomechanics and indirectly claim that fetal skull squashing not
only
 occurs routinely but also KILLS..."  See "Unexplained actual dents in fetal
 skulls/Dr. Kerry Thornbury is resistant"...
 http://www.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=502943036

 WHAT PEOPLE CAN DO...

 Send this post - by e-mail or by surface mail - to university teaching
 hospitals.  Please copy me in your e-mail and in your surface mail when you
 do.  Ask them to send their criticisms to me.

 DEMAND that  MD-obstetricians either stop teaching medical students that it
 is normal to jam the sacral tip up to 4 cm into the pelvic outlet at
 delivery - or refute my evidence that this is exactly what is occuring.

 I am focusing (via "Quackbuster" Fox) on George Rupp, PhD.

 Dr. Rupp is president of Columbia University and may still chair the
 Association of American Universities (AAU).

 AAU could IMMEDIATELY stop fetal skull squashing in most top
 university-affiliated teaching hospitals nationwide.

 Smaller teaching hospitals would follow suit - as would community
hospitals.

 PARENTS:  Do you know a Columbia University student or a Columbia
University
 alumnus?

 In addition to preventing maternal, fetal and infant suffering (and
death) -
 there are millions and billions of dollars per year to be saved - almost
 instantly - just by stopping fetal skull squashing and American medicine's
 senseless most frequent surgeries - both genital mutilations - one of which
 is related to fetal skull squashing ...

 Ending fetal skull squashing is my priority though...

 See...

 “Columbia U. Senate/RUPP: Emergency! Will you help the tiniest Americans
and
 their mothers?”
 http://www.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=530202433

 Publicly ask (in newsgroups) that Columbia University Prof. (and usenet
 "Quackbuster") Aaron Fox, PhD publicly ask CU Senate managing secretary Tom
 Mathewson to circulate “Columbia U. Senate/RUPP: Emergency!" (URL above) to
 all CU Senators. (Mr. Mathewson has said that he will circulate the e-mail
 if asked to do so by a CU faculty or student - or perhaps even an alumnus.
 Does anyone know a CU faculty member or student - or alum?)

 Publicly ask (in the newsgroups) that "Quackbuster" Fox publicly ask CU
 Pres. Rupp to 1) circulate the e-mail to all AAU-affiliated teaching
 hospitals; and 2) recommend that MDs be pardoned in advance so as to hasten
 an end to the MD-inflicted mass human suffering. Do NOT contact Fox
 privately - unless he has requested that you do so...  ASK OTHERS TO DO THE
 SAME.  REMEMBER:  CU Bylaws cover ANY behavior by ANY instructor - which
 includes CU's MD employees - and the
 CU Senate web page says the CU Senate is open to input from "outsiders."

 For the CU Senate web page address, see,

 “Columbia U. Senate/RUPP: Emergency! Will you help the tiniest Americans
and
 their mothers?”
 http://www.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=530202433

 OPEN  SECRET:  "Quackbusters" are ignoring **MD** quackery - the **most
 frequent** and **most grisly** quackery.  This is NOT to say that DCs
aren't
 practicing fraudulently.  They are; and hopefully California Assemblyman
 GALLEGOS - a DC - is doing something about BOTH professions gross frauds.
I
 sent the post cited below on Jan. 7, 2000.  No response yet.  Hopefully
 Assemblyman Dr. GALLEGOS will take action to PREVENT more subluxations than
 DCs will ever be able to adjust by hand.  Related issue:  Dr. GALLEGOS
could
 help me delay the warehousing of our elderly in nursing homes - just by
 using his political influence 

[CTRL] FW: Pinochet

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I had an email from someone this morning who does not think that Pinochet
should be released. He should of course never have been arrested.

Other writers have answered this rather better than I can.   Boris Johnson
is
perhaps the most relevant as he does out of his way to state his DISLIKE of
Pinochet.

Telegraph Leading Article January 13th

Straw's Clutches

Jack Straw's announcement that he is "minded" to release General Pinochet in
a week's time is an unusual way to resolve an extradition case -  or,
rather,
to try to resolve it.  When he decided to release the IRA terrorist Roisin
McAliskey on health grounds rather than extradite her to Germany, the Home
Secretary did not give the world notice of his intentions.  In that
instance,
though, he did not have to worry about a potential challenge - legal or
political - from Amnesty or his own Left wing.  In this case, he obviously
feels that he does.

So, if - and at this stage it still is if - Chile's former president goes
home next week, the Home Secretary will doubtless congratulate himself on a
neat manoeuvre, successfully concluded.  But it was open to him to release
the general at any stage, as the House Of Lords pointedly reminded him
nearly
a year ago.  Instead, by making the general stew in Surrey for more than a
year and then acting only on medical advice, Mr Straw may have extracted
maximum political advantage within the Labour Party.  If General Pinochet
does end up facing the courts in Chile, Mr Straw will doubtless feel even
better.   This, after all, has been a highly political affair right from the
start.

That probably explains why the Government has acted throughout, with almost
total disregard for Chilean opinion and interests.  The timing of this
latest
announcement, just days before the country holds the second round of its
presidential elections, was particularly insensitive.   So was the original
readiness to go along with the request from a maverick Spanish magistrate
for
the general's extradition.   Spain conspicuously (and, in the view of most
observers, wisely) refrained from settling old scores in the wake of the
Franco era.   For it then to attempt, in effect, to override the Chileans'
own delicate internal settlement after their dictatorship, was a gross abuse
of national sovereignty.  No wonder the case was bitterly resented by
Chile's
democratic government, and as Boris Johnson points out on the opposite page,
unanimously condemned as "judicial colonialism" by its neighbours at the
Iberian/South American summit last year.  Relations between Latin America
and
both Spain and Britain could take years to recover.

In Europe, meanwhile, a new principle of international law has been invented
on the hoof, one that holds heads of government criminally responsible - but
only on their retirement - for acts committed by their subordinates.   Quite
where this will end, no one can yet tell.  Could ex-president Yeltsin be
arrested and charged in connection with Russian conduct in Chechnya?  That
way lies mayhem.  Or will this new principle be applied only to relatively
powerless countries?  Its exponents argue that the Pinochet case will serve
as a warning to other despots to moderate their behaviour.  But is could
just
as easily deter them from handing over power to democratic successors, as
Pinochet did of his own volition, not the act of a tyrant.

At the end if this case, when final tally is made, the law of sovereign
immunity will be in a mess, where before it was reasonably clear;  Spain
will
have been shown to have been hypocritical;  and Britain - which welcomed the
general as an official guest before arresting him - will have been made to
look both dishonourable and indecisive.


Extracts from Boris Johnson contributor article January 13th

… (Pinochet's) imprisonment has been a political shambles and a legal farce.

This was political, and not merely legal, from the minute that Garzon - who
is also trying to extradite Signor Berlusconi, the former Italian prime
minister, and an assortment of Argentinean generals - served the warrant.
Of
course the British could have ignored it.  It would, after all, have been
the
first ever application of its kind of the UN Convention against Torture.
Of
course they could have spotted that any such move would radicalise opinion
in
Chile and would be opposed by the Chilean government.  Instead,
undergraduate
(note 1) memories came flooding back, of the coup against Allende, of
candlelit vigils; and Pinochet became a cheap means for Labour to parade its
evanescent conscience.

If you need any evidence that this case was political, it was Peter
Mandelson's attack on Pinochet's "gut-wrenching" crimes, or Blair's
conference speech, in which he accused the Tories of being the party of
Pinochet.   The very Law Lords seemed infected by political bias. When Lord
Justice Hoffman was forced to admit his links with Amnesty an

Re: [CTRL] Fw: URGENT ACTION IS REQUIRED!

[Fransy]

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 -Cui Bono?-

It isn't a secret for anybody that Turkey wants badly to be recognised as
worthy to be a candidate and join the European Community. As The EC is
considering the matter and this below is not a question on the ballot in
regard of such candidacy, is this to say that the EC is considering
accepting a fascist state in its club of nations? If the answer is yes one
must argue then that the EC is on the fascist slope itself!
I don't see this as a viable option to think about, not yet anyway, even
though the fast disapearance of all kinds of rights and liberties since Mr.
Blair 's Bilderberg approved policies are in the making.
That State as it is a direct menace for democracy in Europe should never be
accepted by the EC! This could of course be another decisive threshold into
the appreciation of Europe being on that fascist slope or not! But this is
an entire different debate. Nevertheless it sets the stage for the spirit in
which Turkey wishes to rejoin this club of Nations.

With the post  below one can ask what is Turkey's future and future
government if these 'socialist revolutionaries' have THEIR way? As it always
has been communism IS hard socialism and socialism IS soft communism whether
we like it or not (even though they try hard to lean towards the center to
avoid at all costs that simple truth). Communists themselves called each
other socialists and the socialists sure still call each other 'komrads' and
chant the communist mantra "The Internationale" at every possible socialist
event and occasion. So, march like a duck, talk like a duck and chant like a
duck.what do you think it IS?
Not even to mention the possibility of a hidden 'integrist' agenda further
under the overt socialist show.

I do not condone, of course, any harsh inhumane treatment of prisoner or any
other person for that matter, but as it stands promoting and pushing a
foreign revolutionary agenda is illegal in almost all Nations.
And for good reason as it guarantees the respect of Sovereignty between
Nations, depite the assinine posture of the so called NWO and the UN (WTO,
WB, IMF, FED Corp, et al.) of course portraying national sovereignty as
'obsolete'! The Globalist Agenda is for  "State Inc.", NOT for us INDIVUDUAL
Human Beings. Political democratic systems are made by and for People (Human
Individuals) NOT for corporations, but they'd love that it would be more and
more made by them for them. GOD forbid!

Therefore, I support democratic universal right of any individual to be
treated humanely and correctly in ANY circumtances, but the political agenda
and actions of 'revolutionaries' of all sides for any reason
should not remain unchecked. The Extreme Right (so called extreme
convervators) wants also revolutionalize our societies.

Education and knowledge into what one wishes to support is a must in this
fast moving wide raging internet infancy. This DHKC remain very obscure to
many of you I am sure as it is for me; this is propaganda using human lives
as support; let us find out what this is all about before getting ourselves
into blind support.
Every story has 2 sides at best, and many sides very often. Our world has
become so complex and interwingled that we must sift through the apparences
before passing any judgment.
I did that for the Globalist Agenda I talked about, as I started to study
that in December 1998, and
allow myself to talk about it only now!! And yes, I have  a mirror next to
me at all times.

Thank you for your time,

Frans


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>> REVOLUTIONARIES ARE CONTINUING TO RESIST
>> 1000 POLITICAL PRISONERS ARE ON HUNGER STRIKE TO SUPPORT ILHAN YELKUVAN
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[CTRL] FW: [bigchat] Re: Laetrile under fire

[Fransy]

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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2000 4:18 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [bigchat] Re: Laetrile under fire


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

A correspondent sent me a piece of tendentious writing "proving" that
laetrile did not work.
Phillp Day offers the brilliant refutation below which is worthy of the
widest dissemination.

 Hi Geoff

 I have often refuted this piece.  The reason the federal B17 tests failed
 was because they refused to use laetrile in conjunction with pancreatic
 enzymes and emulsified Vitamin A.  Dr Harold Manner, professor at Loyola
 University, often said laetrile by itself was useless unless used in
 conjunction with the enzymes and Vit A.  Other researchers also found that
 the B17 the feds were using did not contain noticeable amounts of cyanide,
a
 fact published with full chemical analysis in the Cancer Control Journal.

 Don't you find it interesting that clinics around the world have been using
 B17 metabolic therapy to such effect and the Feds just can't seem to make
it
 work?  How convenient!  Would Oasis, Stella Maris, Manner, Silbersee and
 other clinics have used B17 for so long if it didn't work, and work
 conspicuously well?

 Here are some of the lies that have cost you your loved ones...

 Dr Schmidt, FDA Commissioner, in March 1974: "...Every study to date has
not
 found any evidence of efficacy [with laetrile and] if there was one shred
of
 evidence from animal or cell systems I would issue an IND."
(Investigational
 New Drug status that approves clinical testing in humans)

 "No evidence of anti-tumour activity has been found in any of the tests
 [with laetrile]."  Robert Wetherell, Acting Director, Office of Legislative
 Services, US Food & Drug Administration

 "All [laetrile] testing by the National Cancer Institute has found no
 evidence of activity against cancer."  Dr Robert Hadsell, Office of Cancer
 Communications, National Cancer Institute in a letter sent throughout the
US
 and abroad

 "[laetrile] has repeatedly been tested in animal tumour systems at the
 National Cancer Institute.  In no instance did laetrile have activity in
any
 animal tumour system.  There is no basis for the use of laetrile in man
 based on the data derived from experiments in animals."  Interoffice memo
 sent to department heads of the US Mayo Clinic, January 1974

 "Extensive animal tumour studies conducted independently at two outstanding
 cancer research centers, New York Memorial Sloan Kettering (MSK) and the
 Southern Research Institute, have shown this drug to be totally without
 evidence of anticancer activity."  Dr Charles Moertel, Mayo Clinic, in a
 letter published in the Rochester (MN) Post Bulletin, 21st January 1974

 NCI's Dr Dean Burk oversaw many of the details surrounding the testing of
 laetrile in the 1970s.  Burk states that positive, statistically highly
 significant, anti-cancer activity by laetrile in animal tumour systems has
 been observed in at least 5 independent institutions in 3 widely separated
 countries of the world, with a variety of animal cancers:

 1). Southern Research Institute (Birmingham Alabama), for the NCI, in a
 majority of 280 BDF1 mice bearing Lewis lung cancers, treated with up to
400
 mg Laetrile (Amygdalin MF) per kg body weight, with respect to increased
 median life span (3rd December 1973)

 2). Sloan Kettering (New York) with CD8 F1 mice bearing spontaneous mammary
 carcinomas, inhibition of formation of lung metastases, inhibition of
growth
 of primary tumours, and greater health and appearance of animal hosts, upon
 treatment with 1-2 gm Laetrile/per kg body weight/day. (13th June 1973)

 3). Scind Laboratories, University of San Francisco, 400 rats bearing
Walker
 256 carcinoma (200 treated with Amygdalin, 200 controls), with 80% increase
 in life span at optimum dosage (500 mg Amygdalin/kg body weight). (Oct 10,
 1968)

 NCI Director Carl Baker wrote to Congressman Edwin W Edwards on 26th
January
 1971: "The data provided by the McNaughton Foundation certainly indicates
 some activity in animal tumour systems." (our emphasis added)

 4). Pasteur Institute (Paris), with human cancer strain maintained in mice,
 treated at optimal dosage of 500 mg Amygdalin Marsan/kg body weight/day,
 increased life span and delayed tumour growth up to 100% (6th Dec 1971)

 5). Institute Von Ardenne (Dresden, Germany), H strain mice bearing Ehrlich
 ascites carcinoma treated with bitter almond amygdalin ad libitum in
 addition to regular chow diet, yielded increased life span and decreased
 rate of cancer growth, treatment beginning 15 days before cancer
inoculation
 (arch. Geschwulstorsch. 42, 135-7 (1973))

 Dr Harold Manner, the Chicago cancer specialist, had himself verified the
 theoretical action of amygdalin with repeated experiments of his own.  Here
 is an excerpt of an interview with MOTHER 

Re: [CTRL] [theseries] Fw: FBI ABUSE

[Fransy]

Global Union (NWO!) political police's 
strategy...
Hitler, Mussolini, Lenin, Pinochet, Pol Pot et al. did love that, and 
actal Chinese and many others do love it 
too
Excuse me! Who, what, where?  
Duhh..  What about Europe you say?
 
Frans

-Original Message-From: The High Priestess 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2000 
12:11 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: FW: [theseries] 
Fw: FBI ABUSE
Does this sound familiar? Thought you might find it 
interesting,,,
 
 
Jennifer
 
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PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [theseries] Fw: 
FBI ABUSE
 
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To: mailto:Undisclosed-Recipient:@mx1.techline.com 

Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2000 7:30 PM
Subject: Fw: FBI ABUSE

Coming to your neighborhood soon.-Original 
Message-This is in answer to complaints against the Senate's 
passage of lawsoutlawing free speech under guise of the drug laws.  
Starting 1979 theFBI began raiding offices of attorneys 
considered too successful in courtagainst  them.  This was expanded 
in the late 80's and early 90's to includesteali[Jennifer] ng n attorney income under guise of the 
'anti-racketeering law', and also the'drug laws'.  No one was 
interested in hearing about it, with most otherattorneys 'too busy' to 
get involved.  Now the FBI is known to simplyphoneand threaten 
attorneys should they accept and defend clients blacklistedbythe 
FBI; or even to represent them as plaintiffs in actions 
notinvolvingtheFBI. (first known case:  Meridian, 
Mississippi 1990)Cannibis Culture personnel need to join with other 
allies, expand theirsupport to other people, and organizations.  No 
one group alone cansuccessfully stand for long against communistic laws 
nullifying theConsitution.  Together we can make a huge difference 
in the politicalarena,and in the repealing of unconstitutional laws 
and the enforcement oflawsprotecting against police and 
prosecutorial abuse under color of law.Anyone and everyone is invited to 
join with Multinfo.com/org, Inc. in thisendeavor.  Fax:  
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[CTRL] FW: OBRL - Wilms tumors / Milk / rBGH

[Fransy]

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-Original Message-
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DeMeo
Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2000 8:15 AM
To: *OBRL_News
Subject: OBRL - Wilms tumors / Milk / rBGH


From: OBRL-News <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject:- Wilms tumors / Milk / rBGH

Orgone Biophysical Research Lab <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
http://www.orgonelab.org
Forwarded News Item

Please copy and distribute to other interested individuals and groups

**

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]   http://www.wellnow.com

Subject: Wilms tumors / Milk / rBGH

News from Robert Cohen, who's on a hunger strike to publicize and urge
removal of rBGH from the dairy business and its effects from the milk
supply.

In the past few days we've heard from someone, about a 1-1/2-year old girl
who had to have a kidney removed due to a Wilms tumor.  We contacted
Robert about this, and he promptly replied with a citation to a study,
several years old, showing high levels of IGF-1, a hormone that is
elevated in milk from rBGH-treated cows, in Wilms tumors.  More below.

+

Following our recent mail-out of Robert Cohen's testimony before Congress,
concerning Monsanto's recombinant (genetically modified) Bovine Growth
Hormone and its effects on the nation's milk supply, we received this from
a correspondent:

>-I have a friend whose year and a half old daughter that had to
>-have a kidney removed this summer ' 99. She had a Wilms tumor.
>-They told me that the incidence of the tumors is increasing. They
>-also were told it was a genetic factor that she got the tumor.

>-During my visits to the hospital the mother stated that it was hard
>-to get her daughter to drink water as a clear liquid because she had
>-never had water before. She had only had milk her entire life.

Robert Cohen replies:

  Milk from the healthiest cows contains the bovine growth hormone and
  insulin-like growth factor-I (IGF-I).

  Yun demonstrated that IGF hormones were 32-64 times more abundant in
  Wilms tumors than in the adjacent uninvolved kidneys.

  (K. Yun, et al. "Insulin-like growth factor II messenger ribonucleic
  acid expression in Wilms tumor, nephrogenic rest, and kidney."
  Department of Pathology, University of Otago Medical School, Dunedin,
  New Zealand. Lab-Invest., November, 1993, 69(5), pp. 603-615.)

IGF-1, says Cohen, is the only known cross-species hormone, one that is
identical in cows and in humans.  It is always present in dairy products,
but is -more- present (elevated) in milk from rBGH-treated cows.

More from Robert Cohen at:

  http://www.notmilk.com
  http://www.hungerstrike.com

 email:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 to arrange interviews, appearances:  1-888-NOT-MILK  (Ann or Lisa)


+

>Date: Sun, 26 Dec 1999 11:36:27 -0500

SUBSTANTIAL DIVERGENCE

On this 50th day of my hunger strike, I have learned a new secret, and I
am very greatly concerned.

While anti-biotech protestors were rioting in the streets of Seattle, a
new episode in the continuing saga of Monsanto's revolving door tactics
quietly developed beyond FDA's "palace" doors.

Somebody may be breaking the law, participating in unethical activity at
the least, insider trading and influence, betrayal of our health
interests, and the time has come for us to ask: "What's up?"

The same grandiloquent question that Bugs Bunny asks Elmer Fudd can
fittingly be asked of our scientists and government regulators:  "What's
up, Doc?"

Appropriately, that question should also be directed to the president of
Monsanto, Robert Shapiro.  "What's up, Bob?"

Actually, as we get closer to asking this very same question to the
guiltiest of conspirators, we have discovered a source of future ills in
the nick of time.  Knowing the proper question to ask might very well nip
the problem deep within the pollen of its genetically engineered bud.

THE REAL ENEMY

Today, on this first day after Christmas, let us ask together, "What's up,
John."  You might be wondering just who this John fellow is. Actually,
it's UPJOHN.  You might ask, "What's up, John?"  Well, I'm gonna tell you.
Activists of the world, unite.  We have met the enemy. (UPJOHN is not
where I want you to stick your proverbial placards and banners of protest.
Not yet, anyway.)

When Monsanto first presented their research to the FDA for approval of
the genetically engineered bovine growth hormone (rbGH), there were also
three other pharmaceutical companies with their own different versions of
the genetically modified organism.

Monsanto's protein formula was different than the naturally occurring
bovine growth hormone.   Monsanto's hormone was not an exact version of
the natural pituitary extract from a cow.  The end amino acid (amino acids
are the building blocks of proteins) was just a little bit different than
what naturally occurs in nature.  Actually, it was VERY different, but
Monsanto neglected to reveal all of their secrets until after their drug
re

Re: [CTRL] AIDS VIRUS CREATED AT Ft.Detrick , Maryland, USA?

[Fransy]

-Cavet Lector-   http://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.org  -Cui Bono-

About "crap" you're the dean! Wake up !
Stick to the Bible, at least there you don't harm anybody.
Frans

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Sent: Monday, January 10, 2000 3:26 PM
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Subject: Re: [CTRL] AIDS VIRUS CREATED AT Ft.Detrick , Maryland, USA?


-Cavet Lector-   http://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.org  -Cui Bono-

1/11/2k

This is a bunch of crap. It's not that the US isn't capable of doing
something like this, it's more a case of probabilities.

The probability that Aids was invented, is WAY down on the list.
There is absolutely NO reason that Aids, which is a syndrome and
not a disease, did not evolve in the natural ( though polluted )
environment.

Joshua2


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> ..
>
> Forwarded from the New Paradigms Project [Not Necessarily Endorsed]:
> From: Roberta Hamlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: AIDS VIRUS CREATED AT Ft.Detrick , Maryland, USA?
> Date: Tuesday, January 04, 2000 10:02 PM
>
> will you help spread this?  It is something we do need to know about, and
it
> will be taken off the internet SOON!
> -Original Message-
> From: Roberta Hamlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Newsgroups: alt.politics
> Date: Tuesday, January 04, 2000 9:29 PM
> Subject: Was the AIDS VIRUS CREATED AT Ft.Detrick , Maryland, USA?
>
>According to Dr.Wm.Campbell Douglass, MD ("WHO MurderedAfrica";1969
House
>subcommittee on Appropriations Dept of Defense  testimony  requesting
>funding for an HIV weapon; WHO  bulletin calling for  creation of HIV ;
>pivotal London times Article)  that is  the case.  It is unthinkable
that
>this should be  possible, but there is a NEED to KNOW  --IF our
government
>did this we   can but wonder what is their intent toward  each of us?
We
>cannot undo the past, but perhaps  we can  modify the future!  It is my
>PRAYER AND HOPE that this report is nOT  true, it is horrible beyond
>belief.  However, WHY is there a  black out on even questioning it?
Why
> are
>the  internet postings taken down as fast as they go ou regarding this?
IF
>THERE IS NOTHING TO IT WHAT IS THE PROBLEM WITH LOOKING INTOIT?  Rep JJ
>Duncan was provided a copy of the Douglass report.   Have Your
>representative get a copy from him  to send to you!
>
>DR. Douglass was qualified to make such a report:  He is a a4th
generation
>physican and his family  has been serving  the state of Georgia  since
>1850.  Dr. Douglass is a graduate of the University of Rochester Ny,
the
>University  of Miami  School of Medicine and the United States Naval
School
>of Aviation and Space Medicine.  HE was voted Doctor of the  year  in
1985
>by the National Health foundation  and was former  state president of
>Florida American College of Emergency Physicans.
>
>He is quite detailed and emphatic in his assertions regarding AIDS  :
HE
>deserves to be heard  and WE deserve to know what ever the truth may
be.
>That i s not  too much to ask!
>
>Representative Duncan  is  quite well informed on  some  horrendous
conduct
>against Americans by  the US Army , he is  outspoken on Waco ( which
>included the use of Delta forces)... He should have no qualms about
> letting
>other representatives have a copy of the Douglass report.  The Secy of
> Army,
>Louis Caldera  can be reached at [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Duncan at
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]  or you may contact me directly at
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] .
>
>It will be interesting to see how soon this is removed from the web!
This
>is supposed to be a free forum  but it did not take long for the
initial
>postings on this topic to be  removed!  We have  whole columns of
outdated
>postings by  one  loquatious  author but the ones dealing with gays and
> this
>AIDS factor are instantly snatched off.  SOMEONE is TWITCHY< WHO AND
WHY?
>IF there is nothing to this  what is there to fear?  For my part,  I
WANT A
>HEARING ON THIS AND  THE TRUTH MADE CLEAR DRDOUGLASS HAS
> STATED FLAT
> OUT
>that the AIDS virus was made in  this country and it was  inflicted on
>Africa .  I am quoting from the article by dr. Douglass here " IT WAS
NOT
> AN
>ACCIDENTIt was deliberate.  In the Federation  Proceedings  of the
United
>States in 1972 , WHO said:"In  the relation to the immune response A
NUMBER
>OF USEFUL EXPERIMENTAL APPROACHES CAN BE VISUALIZED   "  They
suggested
> that
>a neat way to  put their new killer viruas(AIDS) into a vacination
program,
>sit back, and  observe results."This would be  particularly informative
in
>sibships," they said.  That is,  give AIDS virus to brother and sisters
and
>see if they die, who dies firs

[CTRL] FW: Fwd: Fw: More on Clinton

[Fransy]

 

 
Pas it on.
-Original Message-From: 
The White House at Donner Lake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: SALES 
Office <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Date: 
Thursday, December 16, 1999 6:56 PMSubject: More on 
Clinton
  WE, THE OLDER 
GENERATION, WHAT A FRIVOLOUS GROUP WE 
WERE! Our beloved 
President shares our pain...I was embarrassed toread  that 
President Clinton and his advisors  have said, "The 
oldergeneration  must learn to sacrifice as other  
generations have done." That's my 
generation.  I knew eventually someone would ferret 
outthe  dirty secret:  we've lived the "lifestyle of 
the  rich  and famous" allour  lives.  
Now, I know I must bare the truth about  my generation and 
letthe  country condemn us for our 
selfishness. During the Depression we had an 
hilarious time dancing to the tune of "Brother Can You Spare A 
Dime?"    We could choose to dine at any  
ofthe country's fabulous soup kitchens, often joined by our parents 
and siblings...those were the heady days of carefree 
self-indulgence. Then, with World War ll, 
the cup filled to overflowing.   We had the chance to 
bask on the exotic beaches of Guadalcanal,  Iwo Jima 
andOkinawa; to see the capitols of Europe and travel to such  
scenic spots asBastogne, Malamedy and Monte Cassino.  Of 
course, one of the most exhilarating adventures was the stroll from 
Bataan to the local Japanese hotels, laughingly known as death 
camps.  But the good times really rolled for those lucky 
enough to be on the beaches of Normandy for  the swimming and 
boating that pleasant June day in '44.  
Unforgettable. Even luckier were those that drew the prized 
holiday tickets forcruises on sleek, gray ships to fun filled spots 
like Midway, The Solomons and Murmansk.  Instead of asking, 
"what can we do for our country,  "an indulgent 
government let us fritter away our youth wandering idlythrough the 
lush and lovely jungles of Burma and New Guinea. Yes, it's all 
true:  we were pampered, we were spoiled rotten,  wenever 
did realize what sacrifice meant.  We envy you, Mr. Clinton, the 
harshlessons you learned in London , Moscow and Little Rock.  
My generation is old, Mr. President...and guilty; but we are 
repentant. Punish us for our failings, sir, that we may learn 
the true meaning ofDuty, Honor, and Country. Robert J. 
Grady, Lt. Col., USAF (Ret), Colorado SpringsIF YOU FEEL AS I DO, 
YOU WILL PASS THIS ON TO EVERY ONE ONYOUR LIST REGARDLESS OF THEIR 
POLITICAL PREFERENCE.




Pass it on.
-Original Message-
From: The White House at Donner Lake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: SALES Office <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thursday, December 16, 1999 6:56 PM
Subject: More on Clinton




  WE, THE OLDER GENERATION, WHAT A FRIVOLOUS GROUP WE WERE!

 Our beloved President shares our pain...I was embarrassed to
read  that President Clinton and his advisors  have said, "The older
generation  must learn to sacrifice as other  generations have done."

 That's my generation.  I knew eventually someone would ferret out
the  dirty secret:  we've lived the "lifestyle of the  rich  and famous"
all
our  lives.  Now, I know I must bare the truth about  my generation and
let
the  country condemn us for our selfishness.

 During the Depression we had an hilarious time dancing to the tune
of "Brother Can You Spare A Dime?"We could choose to dine at any  of
the country's fabulous soup kitchens, often joined by our parents and
 siblings...those were the heady days of carefree self-indulgence.

 Then, with World War ll, the cup filled to overflowing.   We had
the chance to bask on the exotic beaches of Guadalcanal,  Iwo Jima and
Okinawa; to see the capitols of Europe and travel to such  scenic spots
as
Bastogne, Malamedy and Monte Cassino.  Of course, one of the most
exhilarating
 adventures was the stroll from Bataan to the local Japanese hotels,
 laughingly known as death camps.  But the good times really
 rolled for those lucky enough to be on the beaches of Normandy for  the
 swimming and boating that pleasant June day in '44.  Unforgettable.

 Even luckier were those that drew the prized holiday tickets for
cruises on sleek, gray ships to fun filled spots like Midway, The
Solomons and
 Murmansk.  Instead of asking, "what can we do for our country,  "an
 indulgent government let us fritter away our youth wandering idly
through the lush and lovely jungles of Burma and New Guinea.

 Yes, it's all true:  we were pampered, we were spoiled rotten,  we
never did realize what sacrifice meant.  We envy you, Mr. Clinton, the
harsh
lessons you learned in London , Moscow and Little Rock.  My generation
 is old, Mr. President...and guilty; but we are repentant.

 Punish us for our failings, sir, that we may learn the true meaning of
Duty, Honor, and

Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Flu

[Fransy]

 -Caveat Lector-

I advise the 100% natural pure grapefruit seeds extract; fantastic for flu
and many other things too!

Happy New year to all,

Frans (from Belgium)

-Original Message-
From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On
Behalf Of Eagle 1
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 1999 6:09 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Flu


 -Caveat Lector-

This was the first year I ever took the flu shot,  besides the military
flora of shots some 20 odd years ago,  and also this year took the pneumonia
shot...  I have been around people who've missed weeks of work, sicker than
a dog...  but unlike years past where I caught every flu bug coming down the
pike,  I've remained quite healthy.

I do feel very sorry for those who have gotten sick this year.  I understand
it's one of the worst strains yet,  with even worse ones to come.

eagle 1


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To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 1999 10:42 AM
Subject: [CTRL] Fwd: Flu


>
>

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[CTRL] FW: [Tips] Jailed for Healing

[Fransy]

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This is GOOD information.
Frans

-Original Message-
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Subject: [Tips] Jailed for Healing


From: Jeannette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

From: OBRL-News <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject:- Jailed for Healing

Orgone Biophysical Research Lab <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
http://www.orgonelab.org
Forwarded News Item

Please copy and distribute to other interested individuals and groups

**

Message From the Growing American Gulag - Jailed for Healing

(NOTE: According to a Rachel Report recently posted to OBRL-news, 25% of
all imprisoned human beings on planet Earth are imprisoned in an American
prison.  One in every 20 Americans will be incarcerated at some point in
their life.  This chance rises to one in four if you are black.  America's
growing population of imprisoned persons is now at around 2 million.  About
2/3's of these people are imprisoned for non-violent offences -- 60% of all
federal prisoners are there for drug-related convictions.  Federal law in
the USA now treats healers who employ unapproved medicines the same as it
treats dealers selling illegal narcotics, such as cocaine, heroin, etc.
The following post in part discusses the blood test methods of Gaston
Naessens, which is similar in some respects to Wilhelm Reich's blood test
-- dissimilar in other respects -- but shows once again that the malicious
attacks of the medical-pharmaceutical industry are not limited only to
Reich.
 J.D. )

++

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Charles Pixley


Introduction:

YOGA*  for the 21st CENTURY


*(The Purposeful Life of the SELF Conscious MAN.)
http://www.sivakalpa.org/siva2.htm

Awakened at 4 a.m., coffee, shower, morning prayer and off to the camp
kitchen. Breakfast is  prepared for approximately 300 men. After
cleaning the institutional kitchen, we start over again preparing
lunch.

After work, a session on the track, the weight room, the bocci court or
Hatha Yoga class with The White Lotus Foundation: "Healing Arts" tape
series with Ganga White, Tracey Rich, Patricia Walden, or Rodney Yee as
master guides.  http://www.whitelotus.org/

Rest and dinner, then 4 to 6 hours of work on a translation
transcription of THE HOLY QURAN from the ancient Arabic into modern
English text.  Then rest and sleep until the cycle begins again the next
morning.

No meat, no bread, no desserts except fruits, no alcohol, no sex and no
leaving the confines of the small mountain camp.  Does this sound like
life in an ashram?

No, it's a federal prison camp in Schuylkill, Pennsylvania, North of
Harrisburg.  The diet is survival by choice;  the rest is making the
days count instead of counting the days.

My "crime" was making available the knowledge of and access to 714X, a
homeopathic camphor compound which is well regarded and a highly
successful therapy against cancer.  The mandatory portion of my sentence
was completed on July 26, 1997, after which began a three year probation
period.

We built a modest enterprise and sponsored the formal introduction of
714X to the American people.  We endured modest hardships and helped
thousands of people and saved hundreds of lives. All who responded to
our efforts were terminal cancer patients, who had been given up as
hopeless, after receiving the standard orthodox therapies of surgery,
chemotherapy and radiation.

Many of those people are still alive today and many extended their
lives for months or years.  After all, at the terminal stage of cancer,
there are no guarantees, only potential and hope.

Taking on the federal government proved to be a very costly, yet
rewarding challenge.  A wise man once told me:  "Impossible is a word
found only in a fool's dictionary."  Pressure continues to this day
against me, my family, the corporation and our business associates by
the Food and Drug Administration ("FDA").  This eventually led to
intense investigations, federal indictment, prosecution, trial,
conviction and sentence of 19 years in jail, which was reduced to a year
and a day by a compassionate judge, appeal and total financial ruin.

French microbiologist, Gaston Naessens, who resides in Quebec, Canada,
first introduced 714X some 20 years ago.

It has since been used by over 100,000 terminal cancer patients, as
well as early stage cancer patients, in numerous countries with varying,
yet impressive, degrees of success, without one instance of any side
effect.  Furthermore, it may be used as a preventive and is inexpensive.

714X was made legal by prescription for Canadian citizens by the
Canadian Department of Health and Welfare in 1989 after a three-year
emotional court battle, which was won by Gaston Naessens.  The story of
this remarkable genius, his microscope, his phenomenal advancements in
understanding the blood, his ability to pre diagnose cancer and
degenerative disease up to two years prior to its manifestation, his
discovery unlockin

Re: [CTRL] rapist's legacy is in the Ford Building

[Fransy]

 -Caveat Lector-

I beg you pardon!!! Maybe Bard has to run this by you again!!
(to myself: no wonder we got the rapist and the others elected :=(( )!
Frans

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From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On
Behalf Of pennie hammons
Sent: Monday, December 20, 1999 10:32 PM
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Subject: Re: [CTRL] rapist's legacy is in the Ford Building


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Hey, that's REALLY beautiful! When did we start accepting this kind of
racist hate on CTRL? Pennie

bard opines:
>Note:  All the femmes, homos, jews, corrupt big-labor, illegals, blacks
>and other ignorant minorities should ask the question:
>Did we achieve our goals by the election of the rapist??
>Your greed for power over the law-abiding, moral people of our Nation
>will not go unchecked;  the day of reckoning will occur at either the
>Ballot Box or by use of the Powder Box.
>Warning:  Any insidious attempt to remove defensive firearms from
>the populace will be met with the election defeat of the gun control
>lackeys,
>and the above supporters of the rapist will once
>again be forced back into their bottomless pit from whence they came.
>And if for some reason the ilk of the schumers, etc. overcome
>defeat then you scum had better start buying some weapons yourselves.
>I clean my weapons often to ensure effective use against the dregs of
>society
>which the above have spawned by their socialist policies.
>Any doped crazed bugger who attempts unlawful entry to my castle
>will cease to exist, nor will I consider it a sin to take
>Pride in his/her demise.
>
>
>
>Bard
>http://www.xld.com/public/center/center.htm
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Re: [CTRL] Another slice of pi

[Fransy]

Maybe this could help to shed some Light!



Merry Christmas and grand and safe New Millenium (I know, I know, but the
'1st year' was
'year O' , right? Not year '1AD'!)

Frans (from Belgium)

-Original Message-
From:   Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On
Behalf Of earthman
Sent:   Friday, December 10, 1999 12:49 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject:[CTRL] Another slice of pi

 -Caveat Lector-

Following on from my pi post
pi=22/7
The following is from a nasa site confirming the 22 year magnetic cycle of
the Sun.We are nearing the peak of the current solar cycle and I am trying
to find out when this peak is about to occur and if this is the magnetic
reversal cycle.
I did wonder however that perhaps that mysterious 11:11 is referring to this
cycle and the real activation is at the peak of the cycle as opposed to the
man made date that we were led to believe..
Is anyone still experiencing these numbers or has it stopped since the 11th?
So if anyone knows the answers to the above questions please let me know..I
need to book the band LOL
Oh and I think pi meaning gateway and 11:11 was touted as the Stargate that
perhaps the 7 represents us and our 'ascension'.. We have heard of the 7
year itch and that we go through a 7 year cycle, and of course 7 colours and
musical notes and tons of other stuff.So an opportunity may be in the offing
to those in tune with this magical combination.
Peter
http://science.msfc.nasa.gov/ssl/pad/solar/dynamo.htm
The surface magnetic fields exhibit Hale's Law (77 kb GIF image). Sunspot
groups usually consist of two subgroups: the leading spots (leading in the
direction of the sun's rotation) and the following spots. George Ellery Hale
discovered that the leading spots in one hemisphere are usually of one
polarity and the following spots are usually all of the opposite polarity.
In the other hemisphere the polarities are reversed. Hale also found that
the polarities reversed from one solar sunspot cycle to the next. This
effect gives the sun a 22-year magnetic cycle. Sunspot groups also have
characteristic tilts so that the leading spots are usually closer to the
equator than the following spots (Joy's Law). This may be evidence of the
Alpha Effect in which rising loops of magnetic field are twisted by the
Sun's rotation.



We are about to go on a Journey. All Aboard
http://sites.netscape.net/gsussnzl/poleshift

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 (fwd) ascension-l Please POST  Sananda...Thanks.doc

[CTRL] FW: [CTRL] [Fwd: The Phil Ex by Brad Steiger]]

[Fransy]

 -Caveat Lector-

John,
Maybe you should read this one first!
Sorry to have said Vallée was a CIA agent, but from here and what I read
since months now,
the CIA has its paws, fingers and nails everywhere at all times anyway, so
it might not be indirectly too far off!
Let it be known also that I don't care to fan an argument, but try to find
the truth.
Light on Views on such important subjects because so involved with our
direct future ought to be made, IMHO.
I live 50 miles from France, in French speaking Belgium and know first hand
what kind of politics and regime is there now, and what they're heading for:
IMO, not far from an in between communist/fascist state which of course is
one and the same for the daily lives of its citizenry, (Tony Blair is doing
the same, mind you! just ways and means are different)
I'd say since the US has been kicked out by The General and since then
France is NOT part of NATO, it implies a lot of duplicate research done in
the US since WWII.(i.e. the CERN in Geneva has built the first particules
accelerator with a majority of French scientists and fundings) And
considering the French influence in the making of the EU it is absolutely
certain that the CIA has many spearheads in that country and is VERY active
indeed. And surely through NGO (see Kosovo)
Cui bono, indeed:  who is really profiting from the debunking of these
projects?
I'd say, very subtly, the ones that are in control, and using for European
(crowds) control, the post accelerator technological developments in Geneva.
Is HAARP so far off from Montauk?

Frans

-Original Message-
From:   Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On
Behalf Of Das GOAT
Sent:   Thursday, December 09, 1999 2:18 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject:Re: [CTRL] [Fwd: The Phil Ex by Brad Steiger]]

* Caveat Lector-

In a message dated 99-12-09 06:12:15 EST, Das GOAT writes:
<< "HawkEye" has even less credibility in my eyes than the nonsense he
promotes.
I refuse to be suckered into replying to disinformation agents in
addition to con men  That path leads invariably to a perpetual quicksand,
opposing professional mindfuck artists, inexhaustible in output-and very
well funded by "someone."   >>
On re-reading what I've written, I offer my apologies to "HawkEye."
Although, as stated, I give him no credibility-in return, I invite him to
give ME no credibility, as is his right-I did not mean to suggest that he,
personally, was WITTINGLY a disformation agent-only that some of his SOURCES
certainly appear to be, IMHO.   I've asked Vallee (with whom I'm in touch)
to respond to certain smears on him in the past but he's demurred, saying
only that it's a waste of time.  I understand that completely.  It just
isn't worth the time for scientific minds to argue at great length against
the existence of the unreal, or to defend the facts against those whose
judgment is faulty, or purposefullly skewed.
If I were to go back to the primary sources that get endlessly rehashed by
the various promoters of the Philadelphia Experiment and Montauk thing, in
order to refute them, I'd have to spend months on the task-and I'd end up
summarizing all that research in a book no one would read anyway, because
nothing is more unpopular than the truth, and publishers, with their eye on
sensationalism, will publish Von Daniken and Sitchin but not exposes of Von
Daniken and Sitchin.  There's a tabloid-reading sucker born every minute,
but there's no profit to be made in writing books telling them they're
suckers.
"NewsHawk" is welcome to post whatever he believes, whether *I* pooh-pooh it
or not.
Das GOAT (without the benefit of "Inc") will give his usual opinions, a bit
sharp-tongued if in a bad mood (and nonsense such as Sitchin's and Bielek's
put me in a bad mood) -- but what REALLY ticks me off is a flame war and
side-taking developing from a major difference in opinion and/or belief,
stated bluntly as, alas, I've done here.  To head off any such waste of
everyone's time, I herewith apologize to NewsHawk personally for how I
categorize his sources and the credibility thereof.  Let readers judge as
they may. Mine is just one point of view.  "NewsHawk" has just as much right
to his OWN point of view.  Having stated my opinion, I do not intend to
engage in any lengthy arguments.
If "NewsHawk" replies that MY credibility in HIS eyes is likewise diminished
by whatever beliefs *I* promote, he's entitled to that opinion.  Let our
SOURCES of INFORMATION be the topic of discussion, if merited, rather than
the personalities holding the opposing positions based on them.  MY error,
mea culpa, for incivility, too much "ad hominem," in response to Vallee
being labelled a "CIA agent."  Vallee has ENEMIES in the CIA.
If anyone called ME a "CIA agent," I'd safely assume they were out to
SILENCE me, using one of the classic strategies of disinformation agents
working for -- guess who?
Cui bono: Who profits by disputing Vallee's conclusion in "Messengers of

[CTRL] FW: Message from a Seattle cop

[Fransy]

 -Caveat Lector-

-Original Message-
From:   NewsHawk Inc. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent:   Thursday, December 09, 1999 6:17 AM
Subject:Fwd: Message from a Seattle cop
Importance: High

12.9.99
Fwd: Message from a Seattle cop


This was received from Deuce.

NewsHawk(r) Inc.
-- -- -- -- -- -- -- --

This message came to me yesterdayfrom the original author, I might add.
At least SOME cops have a clue.
* Deuce
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http://www.geocities.com/deuce42b
http://skywatch.iwarp.com



As a Police Officer
from:   K. John
12/8/1999 12:59 pm EST

I have been a police officer for nearly eight years and used to live in the
Seattle area. I thought the city was one of human rights and dignity to all
men and women, regardless of color, creed and sexual preference. I now see
the real city politics at work. "Screw the common man, let's talk money and
popularity of our city as it becomes a hub for world trade!"
My duty as a law enforcement officer is to keep the peace, bring criminals
to justice, and ensure the protection of each citizens constitutional rights
against any person or entity which stands to violate their rights.
I must preface this next statement by admitting I am a staunch conservative.
However, this slightly less than lethal combat used against American
Citizens is an absolute atrocity of justice. I am truly appalled at the city
of Seattle and the Federal Government for allowing this to happen. What have
we become. I believe the framers of our constitution would be horrified if
they were alive today. God help us all...
"Hitler would be proud"

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Re: [CTRL] [Fwd: The Phil Ex by Brad Steiger]

[Fransy]

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Das GOAT,
On which 'scriptures' do you base your assertion : " ...Al Bielek and fellow
fabricators of the "Montauk" hoax."

Thanks,
Frans


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From:   Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On
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Sent:   Tuesday, December 07, 1999 11:33 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject:Re: [CTRL] [Fwd: The Phil Ex by Brad Steiger]

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In a message dated 99-12-06 18:21:53 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

>I did " past life therapy " with Brad and Francie (?) Steiger.
>It, and they are fakes. They are New Age scam artists.

Hear, hear.  Steiger and his wife are the literary equivalent of "talk
radio's" Art Bell.
Steiger bases his book on the "Philadelphia Experiment" on the incredible
bullshit of a  clique of gay Scientologists -- Al Bielek and fellow
fabricators of the "Montauk" hoax.
(If David Ickes met them, he'd probably conclude they were all closet
"reptoids" too.)

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Re: [CTRL] Breast Cancer Awareness seminar

[Fransy]

More info on cancer!
Frans

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Sent:   Tuesday, November 30, 1999 10:26 PM
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Subject:[CTRL] Breast Cancer Awareness seminar

 -Caveat Lector-

-Original Message-
From: Zorka Papadopolos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Tuesday, November 30, 1999 8:12 PM
Subject: SB698:Lekarski savet


>
>
>-- Forwarded message --
>
>***
>
> > >>From Katrina Scott
> > >Univ. of MD:
> > >
> > >Some time ago, I attended a Breast Cancer Awareness seminar put on by
> > Terry
> > Birk with support
> > >from Dan Sullivan. During the Q&A period, I asked why the most common
> > (and
> > what seemed to be
> > >deadliest) area for Breast Cancer was near the arm pit. My question
> > could
> > not be answered at that
> > >time. This email was just sent to me, and I find it interesting that my
> > question has been answered. I
> > >challenge you all to re-think your everyday use of a product that could
> > ultimately lead to a terminal
> > >illness. Precaution? I certainly hope so. A friend forwarded this to
> > me.
> > I showed it to a friend going
> > >through chemotherapy and she said she learned this fact in a support
> > group
> > recently. I wish I had
> > >known it 14 years ago. I just got information from a health seminar
that
> > I
> > would like to share. The
> > >leading cause of breast cancer is the use of anti- perspirant. A
> > Concentration of toxins that leads to
> > >cell mutations: a.k.a. CANCER.
> > >Yes, ANTI-PERSPIRANT. Most of the products out there are an
> > anti-perspirant/deodorant
> > >combination so go home and check your labels. Deodorant is fine,
> > anti-perspirant is not. Here's why:
> > >The human body has a few areas that it uses to purge toxins; behind the
> > knees, behind the ears, groin
> > >area, and armpits. The toxins are purged in the form of perspiration.
> > Anti-perspirant, as the name
> > >clearly indicates, prevents you from perspiring, thereby inhibiting the
> > body from purging toxins from
> > >below the armpits. These toxins do not just magically disappear.
Instead,
> > the body deposits them in the
> > >lymph nodes below the arms since it cannot sweat them out. Nearly all
> > breast cancer tumors occur in
> > >the upper outside quadrant of the breast area. This is precisely where
> > the
> > lymph nodes are located.
> > >Additionally, men are less likely (but not completely exempt) to
develop
> > breast cancer prompted by
> > >anti-perspirant usage because most of the anti-perspirant product is
> > caught
> > in their hair and is not
> > >directly applied to the skin. Women who apply anti-perspirant right
after
> > shaving increase the risk
> > >further because shaving causes almost imperceptible nicks in the skin
> > which
> > give the chemicals
> > >entrance into the body from the armpit area.
> > >PLEASE pass this along to anyone you care about. Breast Cancer is
> > becoming
> > frighteningly
> > >common. This awareness may save lives. If you are skeptical about these
> > findings, I urge you to do
> > >some research for yourself. You will arrive at the same conclusions, I
> > assure you. Thank you.
> > >
> > >Katrina Scott
> > >Asst Director of Sports Marketing
> > >Univ Maryland
> > >P.O. Box 295
> > >Cole Field House/Campus Drive
> > >College Park, MD 20741-0295
>

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Re: [CTRL] "GM organisms are dead" - UK Monsanto Executives Want to Pull Out of GE

[Fransy]

 -Caveat Lector-

Come on folks, as much as I am against these (GM organism for any food or
else) don't even dream that the US Corp are the primary culprits! GM imposed
without any labeling and/or standards are pushed onto the European consumer
without their knowledge and/or approval!
So much for the EU commissions and consumer protection acts!  Welcome to the
left (liberal!) side of politics.
European ban of GM foods are no consumer concern but only
protectionism
Wake up world, you get screwed by those guys one way or the other.

Frans from Belgium (really against this bulls!)
PS: I Thank God we have a garden and my wife is a green hand!

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From:   Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On
Behalf Of Dave
Sent:   Tuesday, November 30, 1999 12:11 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject:[CTRL] "GM organisms are dead" - UK Monsanto Executives Want to
Pull Out of GE

 -Caveat Lector-

No market in Japan or Europe for GE FrankenFood(tm)
Will the controlled U.S. media continue to withold information?

Dave Hartley
http://www.Asheville-Computer.com/dave


-Original Message-
From: Richard Wolfson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, November 29, 1999 12:34 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: GEN11-29


Biotech News, by Richard Wolfson, PhD

Reprinted with permission from the December 1999 issue of Alive: Canadian
Journal of Health and Nutrition, 7436 Fraser Park Drive, Burnaby, BC  V5J
5B9

Deutsche Bank advises against Biotech

Europe's biggest bank, Deutsche Bank, has advised several thousand of the
world's largest investors not to invest in biotechnology.  The report to
its investors warns that farmers who plant biotech crops could lose money
and that the market value of biotech companies could collapse. The report
concludes: "GM organisms are dead" because consumers are suspicious about
their impact on human health and the environment.
The full report is accessible at: http://www.biotech-info.net/Deutsche.html

Biotech Firms Top Blacklist

A survey of socially responsible investors by the Ethical Investment Trust
shows that concern about investing in businesses carrying out biotech
research has gone from being a minor issue two years ago to investors'
second biggest concern. Arms manufacturing was ranked the least ethical
investment, followed by biotech research.

Grain Giant asks Farmers to Segregate

U.S. grain giant Archer Daniels Midland Co. called on American farmers to
segregate genetically modified and conventional crops. The British Retail
Consortium, representing food outlets in UK, welcomed the move by ADM
saying:  "It will help British food retailers in their efforts to source
non-GM ingredients."  Grain merchants have already begun paying farmers
higher prices for non-GE soy and corn.

Demand for Non-Biotech Corn

Because of the controversy over biotech crops, the American Corn Growers
Association (ACGA) is asking farmers to plant non-genetically engineered
corn. According to Gary Goldberg, CEO of the association, "GMOs have become
the albatross around the neck of farmers on issues of trade, labeling,
testing, certification, segregation, market availability and agribusiness
concentration. Until all these issues are answered, it is best for
production agriculture to examine alternatives to planting GMOs."

Heinz GE-Free in Europe

In responding to public outcry against genetically engineered ingredients,
the Pittsburgh-based food giant Heinz eliminated all genetically modified
ingredients from beans, soups and other products sold in Europe.

GE Website for children

 is an excellent
illustrated website for children about genetic engineering and its hazards.
Visitors to the website are encouraged to download anything they like off
the website as long as they acknowledge where it came from. Material from
the site is already being used in schools in New Zealand.

US Ambassador to EU Threatens Trade War

Richard Morningstar, the new U.S. ambassador to the European Union,
threatened a billion-dollar trade war over moves by European governments to
refuse genetically engineered food imports. The warning fuels claims that
the U.S. dominated biotech industry is using its ties with the American
government to bully countries who do not want genetically modified foods.

Super Opium Poppy

Scientists in Australia have genetically engineered poppy plants capable of
producing twice the opium.  Australia produces about 25 percent of the
world's legal opium. Senior police sources fear drug gangs, who have
already stolen more than 50,000 poppy heads this year, could target seeds
from the new super poppy.

Honda Building U.S. Plant for GE-Free soybeans

Honda Trading Corp of Japan is building a plant in Ohio (USA) for sorting
non-genetically modified soybeans. The plant will have a capacity of 20,000
tonnes of soybeans per year. Soybeans from the plant will be sold to

[CTRL] FW: UN Global Gun Grab

[Fransy]

 -Caveat Lector-

-Original Message-
From:   Chris W.Stark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent:   Thursday, November 25, 1999 2:08 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject:UN Global Gun Grab


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GUN OWNERS ALLIANCE
!!ALERT!!
Chris W. Stark - Director
P.O. Box 1924
Crosby, Texas 77532-1924
Ph. (281) 787-4111  Fax (281) 328-7505
http://www.GOA-Texas.org
email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

   11/24/1999


UN Global Gun Grab
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Copyright (c) 1999 by The New American.
Republication permitted ONLY if this e-mail alert
is left intact in its original state.

For additional information, go to http://www.goa-texas.org/U_nation.htm
Vol. 15, No. 24
November 22, 1999

Global Gun Grab
http://www.thenewamerican.com/tna/1999/11-22-99/vo15no24_gun.htm
by Thomas R. Eddlem

It's open season on the right to keep and bear arms as UN globocrats gear up
for international gun controls.
The United Nations is very troubled that the United States has retained its
Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, which guarantees that "the right
of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed." Radical new UN
proposals treat free people with the means to effect their own self defense
as a vital threat to the United Nations and its quest for what it calls the
"peace-building process."
More troubling still is the fact that for the first time this radical UN
agenda represents a clear and present danger to our right to keep and bear
arms. This is in part because the Clinton State Department is collaborating
with the UN and its proposals. But another, perhaps more dangerous, prong of
the UN attack on the right to keep and bear arms comes from an insidious
quasi-private institution heavily funded by socialist Northern European
governments. This little-known, UN-backed organization charges itself with
developing "message strategies" and "campaigning and advocacy strategies" to
obtain a UN-managed global ban on the private ownership of firearms.
See:
DEPARTMENT OF STATE PUBLICATION 7277, THE UNITED STATES PROGRAM FOR GENERAL
AND COMPLETE DISARMAMENT IN A PEACEFUL WORLD
http://www.mikenew.com/pub7277.html

Anti-Gun Agenda
The United Nations "Report of the Group of Governmental Experts on Small
Arms" issued on August 19th bitterly complains that "there are wide
differences among States [nations] as regards which types of arms are
permitted for civilian possession, and as regards the circumstances under
which they can legitimately be owned, carried and used. Such wide variation
in national laws raise difficulties for effective regional or international
coordination." That the UN "experts" are complaining mainly about the United
States is made clear from the concluding recommendations in the report.
Among the "coordination" proposals adopted by the panel, enthusiastically
seconded by UN Secretary-General Kofi Annan in his foreword to the report -
are the following:
* "All States should ensure that they have in place adequate laws,
regulations and administrative procedures to exercise effective control over
the legal possession of small arms and light weapons and over their
transfer"
* "States are encouraged to integrate measures to control ammunition"
* "States should work toward ... the prohibition of unrestricted trade and
private ownership of small arms and light weapons"

The UN report defines small arms to include just about every category of
firearms that exists: "The category of small arms includes revolvers and
self-loading pistols, rifles and carbines, sub-machine guns, assault rifles
and light machine guns." The United Nations call for banning even hunting
rifles and antique revolvers from civilian possession demonstrates the
radical and groundbreaking nature of the report.
Though the current United Nations attack on the Second Amendment fails to
take aim at civilian possession of shotguns, shotgun owners should find no
security in the current UN focus. The UN report in no way limits global
firearms restrictions to "military"-related firearms such as "revolvers" and
"rifles." The UN "experts" explain that the United Nations must deal with
firearms on social as well as military criteria: "Virtually every part of
the United Nations system is dealing in one way or another with the
consequences of the armed conflicts, insecurity, violence, crime, social
disruption, displaced peoples and human suffering that are directly or
indirectly associated with the wide availability and the use of these
weapons."
To implement their gun control measures, UN officials plan to ignore the
reservation of national sovereignty guaranteed in the UN Charter the same
way that the U.S. C

Re: [CTRL] "British Medical Journal" on Homeopathy

[Fransy]

 -Caveat Lector-

Right on SnoOwl!
But we know where the "quacks" are, "Social" medicine demands that you
remain sick to
self-perpetuate the "system". As for the British (or any other) Medical
Journal I wouldn't be
surprised to find someone from the pharmaceutical cartel on their board of
directors!

Frans

-Original Message-
From:   Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On
Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent:   Monday, November 22, 1999 5:56 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject:Re: [CTRL] "British Medical Journal" on Homeopathy

 -Caveat Lector-

On 20 Nov 99, at 18:11, William Shannon wrote:

> << It is well known that many homoeopathic medicines are
> ultramolecularthat is,
>  they are diluted to such a degree that not even a single molecule of
>  the original solute is likely to be present. As drug actions are
>  conventionally understood in biochemical terms, homoeopathy presents
>  an enormous intellectual challenge, if not a complete impasse. Many
>  scientists have suggested that the clinical effects of homoeopathic
>  medicines are solely due to the placebo effect. >>
>
> Purely placebo effect. Quackery at it's finest...but there's a sucker
> born every minute so this bollocks will persist. For shame, for shame.


Gee Bill,
I woke up this morning all stuffed up--nose, throat, yuck. Took 5
little round thingeys of Kali Bichromium and...Bingo!!in ten
minutes it was all gone.

I don't mind being called a suckerbut I just love things that work.

Works for my dogs, too, when they get all those fall allergies from
leaf mold and all thatand they have no idea about placebos. But
they've been called worse things than "sucker" so it's okay by me.

You'd be happier if I went to a vet ($35) and got a prescription ($25).
Or a doctor ($135) and got a prescription ($40)?
The Kali Bichromium cost me $4.95. I may be a sucker, but I'm not
a sucker with a stuffed up running nose and a chest cold.








sno0wl

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Re: [CTRL] URGENT UPDATE

[Fransy]

I have been with this about 8 months ago : this is a SCAM = exchange of 
US$48 against 48 Italian Liras is NOT the type of profits I wish to make on 
somebody's back!!!

-Original Message-From: FVL 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 1999 7:19 
AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: URGENT 
UPDATEDear Friend: 
If you have already responded to the following announcement a few 
days ago, that means your package is already on its way and it should be 
arriving soon! If you have not responded to this before, please pay 
attention to it now. This is very important!!!   
IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT 
' 
' 
Your future May Depend on it ! 
! 
! 
! 
Before you know about this 'Important Announcement', you must first 
read the following 'Editorial Excerpts' from some important publications 
in the United States: 
NEW YORK TIMES: "In concluding our review of Financial 
organizations to effect change in the 90's, special attention should 
be called to a California based organization, 'WORLD CURRENCY CARTEL'. 
Members of this organization are amassing hundred of millions of dollars 
in the currency market using a very LEGAL method which has NEVER been 
divulged to the general public. While their purpose is not yet known, 
their presence has most certainly been felt". 
NBC NIGHTLY NEWS: "Members of 'World Currency Cartel', who 
always keep a low profile, are considered to be some of the most 
wealthiest people in North America". 
More excerpts later, but first let us give you this very 
"IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT": 
' 
' 
' 
' 
We are glad to announce that for the first time and for a very short 
period of time, WORLD CURRENCY CARTEL will instruct a LIMITED number of 
people worldwide on 'HOW TO CONVERT $25 INTO ONE HUNDRED OF LEGAL 
CURRENCY'. We will transact the first conversion for you, 
after that you can easily and quickly do this on your own 
hundreds or even thousands of times every month. TAKE 
ADVANTAGE OF THIS "SECRET FLAW"! 
* 
* 
It is even more explosive than we have yet disclosed. While currency 
does fluctuate daily, we can show you 'HOW TO CONVERT $99 INTO $588 AS 
MANY TIMES AS YOU WANT'. That means, you will be able to EXCHANGE $99, 
AMERICAN LEGAL CURRENCY DOLLARS, FOR $580 OF THE SAME. You can do this 
as many times as you wish, every day, every week, every month. All very 
LEGAL and effortlessly! 
It takes only 5 to 10 minutes each time you do this. You can do this 
from home, office or even while traveling. All you need is an access to 
a phone line and an address. Best of all, you can do this from ANY CITY 
ON THIS EARTH!!! 
Again, we must reiterate, anyone can do this and the source is 
NEVER-ENDING. For as long as the global financial community 
continues to use different currencies with varying exchange rates, 
the "SECRET FLAW" will exist. 
>>> 
>>> 

As we said earlier , we will do the first transaction for you and 
will show you exactly how to do this on your own, over and over again! 
The amount of exchange you would do each time is entirely up to you. 
Working just 2 to 10 hours a week, you can soon join the list of 
Millionaires who do this on a daily basis many times a day. The 
transaction is so simple that even a high school kid can do it! 
We at the World Currency Cartel would like to see a uniform global 
currency backed by Gold. But, until then, we will allow a LIMITED number 
of individuals worldwide to share in the UNLIMITED PROFITS provided for 
by the world currency differentials. 
We will espouse no more political views nor will we ask you to do so. 
We can say however, that our parent organization, CILS, benefits greatly 
by the knowledge being shared, as we ourselves, along with YOU, benefit 
likewise. Your main concern surely will be, how you will benefit. 
As soon as you become a member, you will make transactions from your 
home, office, by telephone o

[CTRL] FW: Philanthropists, Financial Ventures, Cancer Cure Concerned

[Fransy]

 -Caveat Lector-

-Original Message-
From: 114 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, October 29, 1999 7:37 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Philanthropists, Financial Ventures, Cancer Cure Concerned


Would you be able to please pass this along since you are in the field of
interest.

Do You know a Special Person who could lend a hand?  A Foundation for CANCER
CURING
IN SEARCH OF FUND ASSISTANCE Before November 1st
(SHORT TERM)
Perhaps you know someone who can assistanticipating major funding, but
time may run out before then.  Just like the lives of those with Cancer you
know/have known

Small lenders most welcome!!!  Please pass along

Opening a Cancer Wellness Center for CURING with proven record
National Cancer Research Foundation (independant)
Conjunctive medicine, makes conventional work more efficiently, this is not
alternative medicine.

Dear Friend -

I am Fred Eichhorn of St. James, Long Island, New York

I am opening a cancer wellness center and need to know what to tell the
sellers of an estate to prevent the other prospective buyers from purchasing
it and tearing down the historic mansion and preventing the success of the
wellness center at that location, as it is a perfect setup.  I ventured with
one of the HY funding programs and am disappointed that it is not funding on
time as it propised.

I founded the National Cancer Research Foundation, which has been
incorporated "not for profit" since March 1999.  As a result of my  vast
success in reversing
basically every type cancer, including extreme terminal stages, I have
inquired
to purchase an estate only because of what has been offered to me.  I have
spent
23 years in it's research, and reversed 150 out of 200 terminal cases in 2
years,
58 out of 63 terminal cases in past 10 months.  I was told I had 8 months to
live in 1976 when I had pancreatic cancer, I am longest survivor in the
world
according to my doctors, who are also supporting me.  Track record is about
90% success rate. Cost of treatment about $200 monthly.

While I spent 3 1/2 years in bed to recover from the 47 fractures sustained
in the World Trade Center, I was able to go deeper and determine the final
measures needed to reverse cancer,, and it works every time.

I would be happy to sent you a copy of the program if you would like one. It
is a 5 part e-mail.

My goal is to be able to treat the cancer victims free of charge, and I want
to open my own vitamin manufacturing plant to sell a specifically determined
quantity (mg) per pill for treatment at a fair market cost to the consumer.
Until the foundation is fully functional, I have support and help available,
but immediate financial assistance until the HY produces is CRUCIALLY
needed to allow me to purchase this estate.

This is not "alternative medicine". It is conjunctive and makes conventional
work better, eliminates nausea and throwing up associated with chemo, etc…
At this time, NCI ( National Cancer Institute) is discussing my theories as
they find that I am answering their unsolved questions, and they feel it
makes
sense.

The owner of the estate had it for sale 3 years, started at 5 million, came
down to 4.3,  then 4.1.  Problem of sale is that the taxes are $52,000
annually, and no potential purchaser was interested in paying that amount in
taxes.  I solved that problem.

A builder was offering to purchase the property for 3.0 million, as he wants
to knock down the mansion (15,000 sf main house plus 7,500 sf for indoor
pool house and spa area) to break up the 9+ acres to 4 homes.
They were ready to commence the deal just before I inquired a month ago.
The house is a perfect condition Stanford White home, built 1870, needs
no work at all.

Because they know me and support my efforts, as of Sept 15, I was given 1
month to come up with 1.2 million which will pay off the existing 1.2 mil
mortgage. THIS HAS NOW BEEN MOVED UP ON ME UNTIL NOVEMBER FIRST.
However, because the builder who offered tpo purchase the property has an
wexpiration date of Nov 1, the seller will reluctantly sign the agreement
with the builder if i do not show strong ability to purchase it. The owner
does not need the money but wants to get rid of the mortgage.  apparently,
he
does not care whether the house gets demolished or not.

I had the property appraised, came in at 5.4 million by my own personal
appraiser, I am also licensed in appraisals, RE, insur, securities, and
mortgage.

This estate is perfect for the function of the foundation, I need to add
nothing, all is 100% perfect condition.

State and village will waive entire tax in order to help me afford it.

1 Stanford White is the architect who designed and built Grand Central
Station
in NYC, Washington Square, and many other noted buildings.  The town is
upset because they cannot legally interfere to stop the demolition.

2. The property has income potential, the town would approve it and  would
bring me about 5 - 6,000 monthly.  If my funds do not come in, i would need
a

Re: [CTRL] Tales of the Underclass

[Fransy]

 -Caveat Lector-

It looks like you're agreeing with the NWO's agenda to cancel all private
property!!
Aren't you a little hypocrital, to say the least, or do I misunderstand
everything?

Frans

-Original Message-
From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On
Behalf Of Das GOAT
Sent: Saturday, October 30, 1999 10:45 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [CTRL] Tales of the Underclass


 -Caveat Lector-

In a message dated 99-10-29 12:06:16 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

>Same for me. My parents bought our home in 1955 for $20,000. My mother
still
>lives there (only the SECOND house she's ever lived in!). When my father
>died three years ago, she had the house appraised...it came in at $250,000.
>And that is the MEDIAN home value for that township! Sure, some of that
>increase is inflation, but an awful lot is real-estate speculation...

Some places more than others ...  My father's aunt bought a Victorian house
in San Francisco's Mission district for a flat $5000 in 1953.  Today it's
valued at $1 million.

In 1979 I rented a large one-bedroom flat for $225.  By 1999 its rent rose
to
$2250.
In 1995 my rent for an in-law (studio) apartment was $425.  Today I pay
$1050
for a
studio apartment.  That after having been evicted twice, from two different
apartments, by barracuda-like real estate speculators who bought both
buildings in which my wife and I were tenants and immediately evicted all
residents on zero or flimsy grounds, in order to jack up the rents legally
under our "rent control."  (CONTESTING an eviction handled by a corporate
real-estate "eviction specialist" lawyer, in an action to be heard by judges
who are also slumlords, in a city where real estate speculators are
lobbyists
and the mayor's greatest campaign contributors, is as futile an enterprise
as
fighting a determined hostile takeover by a multinational -- the onslaught
is
as rapid, systematic, and ruthless as Dresden's bombing, and the average
working-class tenant just can't afford the expensive attorneys' fees for the
extremely time-consuming litigation.)  On the other side of the scales, the
average wage in San Francisco in 1979 was $7.50 an hour.  In 1999, twenty
years later, the average wage --whether you're a McDonald's clerk who
doesn't
speak English or a computer-literate office manager with a college degree
and
twenty years experience-- is $7.50 an hour ... ZERO % increase versus 1000%
-- and the odds are high that your employer here is also heavily invested in
real estate.

"Property--" if the owner of real property doesn't personally OCCUPY it,
doesn't care about the health, safety or comfort of those who DO, and only
uses it as a "token" in trades no different from stock-market shares,
profiting from nothing but its transfer--
"--is THEFT."  Kill the lawyers, yes, but don't forget that the landlords
are
next in line.

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[CTRL] FW: A FOLLOW UP FROM A LOVING MOTHER WHO SENT ME THE ARTICLE : Navy Man refuses anthrax vac-CM Looming

[Fransy]

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-Original Message-

Sent: Saturday, October 30, 1999 9:48 AM
To: undisclosed recepients
Subject: RE: A FOLLOW UP FROM A LOVING MOTHER WHO SENT ME THE ARTICLE


I am posting this letter from a very loving Mother of a Gulf War Veteran,
I would like everyone to read it and be aware of what is happening, this
letter was in reference to the article  :
Re:  Fwd: Navy man refuses anthrax--Court martial looming

Thank you,

XXX
==

Thank you for sending out that article.  It need exposure among the
general public.  Most of them have no idea what is going on.  My son is a
Gulf War Veteran, 29 years old, and was medically discharged due to the
Gulf War illness and is unemployable for 3 years already.  And yet we are
supppose to believe there is no Gulf War illness.  Over 20,000 have died
already since they came back from the war (and that's what the gov't
admits to so it's probably double that or more).  I personally know some
of them and their families.  They can die from the GW illness but yet the
gov't denies them disability benefits.

What really disturbs me is that when I tell people about this and that
the soldiers are dying they say,"howcan you say such things.  That can't
be true.  You don't hear that on Dan Rather."  And these are people I
know...friends even.  Very true...that is the sad part.  No we have never
heard on Dan Rather or any other news media that a single one of the Gulf
War soldiers have died since they came back from the war, but that
doesn't mean it isn't happening.  They publically bragged about it being
a 100 hour war with only 147 casuallities.  Well, they don't tell us
about the number of soldiers that came home to die on their own soil.
And the terrible pain and suffering they are living with.  And the
families that are affected by it also.  68% of all the GW babies are born
with birth defects, mentally retarded, arms and legs missing, hands
growing from their shoulders etc. etc. etc.  It is pathetic.  And the
soldiers are going bankrupt cuz they don't get any help with medical
bills.

Didn't mean to take your time...just wanted to thank you for putting out
that article.  I was very aware of the situation but I know a lot of
people aren't.  Thank you for helping spread the word.

Keep up all the good work.  We appreciate all you do and love to hear
from you everyday.


x

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[CTRL] A little fun, guys!

[Fransy]

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   The US standard railroad gauge (distance between the rails) is
 4 feet 8.5 inches. That's an exceedingly odd number.
 Why was that gauge used? Because that's the way they built them in England,
and English expatriates built the US railroads.
 Why did the English build them like that? Because the first rail
 lines were built by the same people who built the pre-railroad
 tramways, and that's the gauge they used.
 Why did 'they' use that gauge then? Because the people who built the
 tramways used the same jigs and tools that they used for building
 wagons, which used that wheel spacing.
 Okay! Why did the wagons have that particular odd wheel spacing?
 Well, if they tried to use any other spacing, the wagon wheels would
 break on some of the old, long distance roads in England, because
 that's the spacing of the wheel ruts.
 So who built those old rutted roads? The first long distance roads
 in Europe (and England) were built by Imperial Rome for their
 legions. The roads have been used ever since. And the ruts?
 Roman war chariots first made the initial ruts, which everyone else had to
match for fear of destroying their wagon wheels and wagons.
 Since the chariots were made for, or by Imperial Rome, they were
 all alike in the matter of wheel spacing.
 Thus, we have the answer to the original question.
 The United States standard railroad gauge of 4 feet, 8.5 inches derives
 from the original specification for an Imperial Roman war chariot.
 Specifications and bureaucracies live forever. So, the next time you
 are handed a specification and wonder which horse's rear came up
 with it, you may be exactly right. Because the Imperial Roman war
 chariots were made just wide enough to accommodate the back ends of
 two war-horses.
 And now, the twist to the story...
 There's an interesting extension to the story about railroad gauges
 and horses' behinds. When we see a Space Shuttle sitting on its
 launch pad, there are two big booster rockets attached to the sides
 of the main fuel tank. These are solid rocket boosters, or SRBs.
 Thiokol makes the SRBs at their factory at Utah. The engineers who
 designed the SRBs might have preferred to make them a bit fatter,
 but the SRBs had to be shipped by train from the factory to the
 launch site. The railroad line from the factory had to run through a
 tunnel in the mountains. The SRBs had to fit through that tunnel.
 The tunnel is slightly wider than the railroad track, and the
 railroad track is about as wide as two horses behinds.

 So, the major design feature of what is arguably the
 world's most advanced transportation system was determined by the
 width of a Horse's ass!

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[CTRL] FW: United Nations Poised to Impose One World Government

[Fransy]

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Subject: RE: FWD: United Nations Poised to Impose One World Government

This is being forwarded to you by Larry A. Rice, known as larice on the web.

Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Comments: Authenticated sender is <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>From: "The Christian Alert Network" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Organization: The Christian Alert Network (TCAN)
>To: "TCAN Alert Net 7"<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 22:38:45 +
>Subject: United Nations Poised to Impose One World Government
>Reply-to: "TCAN"<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Priority: High
>
>
>EXTREMELY URGENT  **  EXTREMELY URGENT
>
>United Nations Poised to Impose One World Government
>
>Charter 99 - The Charter for Global Democracy
>
>In September 2000,  less than a year from now, the United Nations
>will convene a special Millennium Assembly as a global summit on
>the future of the world.  This event will crown a decade of
>preparation to launch the new millennium on a new system of
>global governance.
>
>The blueprint for this event was published by the UN Commission on
>Global Governance in 1995.
>
>Now, a Charter to achieve global governance has been developed
>for presentation at the Millennium Assembly in September 2000.
>
>It is called The Charter for Global Democracy and  will be
>published publicly on UN day, Sunday, October 24th, 1999 .
>It has already been signed by influential leaders in 56 nations, and
>has the support of civil society non-government organizations
>around the world.
>
>In reality this document is a Charter for the abolition of individual
>freedom.
>
>YOUR help is desperately needed to save American sovereignty.
>
>Click here [  http://www.vvm.com/~ctomlin/a87.htm ]  to read
>the document (and much more) AND for instructions on how YOU
>can join tens of thousands of other freedom loving Americans to
>oppose subordinating America to the dictatorship of the
>United Nations.
>
>If you have email only, and do not have access to the internet,
>please let me know and I will be happy to send you a copy of
>Charter99 via email.
>
>Due to urgency of this situation TCAN respectfully request all
>readers to forward this message to the maximum extent possible.
>
>Rev. "Curt" Tomlin
>President
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Sent by Larry A. Rice, in accordance with the desire of  Retired Col. Tomlin

my URL is http://www.christianparents.com

my vision is to publish and distribute an informative newsprint teaching on
the foundations of America, to help influence the elections towards godly
men winning the vote.
All this is shown by my web site, www.christianparents.com

Larry A. Rice

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Re: [CTRL] The Illuminati Millennium Rituals

[Fransy]

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All this is fine and dandy butthe birth date of the Illuminati is
May 1st, 1776! And I think that the Gregorian Calendar is quite anterior
of that date and certainly not created by and for the Illuminatiby a
looonng shot...:)
Fransy

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Sent: Friday, October 15, 1999 7:56 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [CTRL] The Illuminati Millennium Rituals


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THE ILLUMINATI RITUALS
  ON THE FALSE MILLENNIUM
  AND COMING AGE OF LIGHT
   by David Icke

  October 11, 1999

 There are many things to know about the Millennium to understand
 what is really going on. Firstly it is only happening at this
 point because of the Gregorian calendar - introduced by the
 Illuminati via the Vatican in October, 1582.

 It is a ridiculous measurement of what we call "time" with it's 31
 day months, 30 day months, and 28 days..29 every four years. It is
 like throwing all of your clothes in a wardrobe and pressing your
 bum against the door to bang it shut. Everything is in there, but
 it's a bloody mess. So it is with the Gregorian calendar.

 But, then, it is not there to efficiently measure "time", it was
 created to hit key solar cycles and astrological sequences which
 the Illuminati-reptilians planned to use to advance their agenda.
 The Millennium is a classic example of this. The Illuminati have
 always focused on the power of the Sun. After all the Sun is 99%
 of the mass of the solar system - it IS the solar system. When it
 changes, we change.

 They know the effect on human thought and emotions when, for
 instance, the Sun cycles reach their peak and massively powerful
 solar energy is projected at the Earth. At it's most powerful it
 has taken out computer and power systems.

 SO:

 What a coincidence that the Illuminati-created Gregorian calendar
 should be orchestrated to hit the peak of a massive Sun cycle
 PRECISELY at the point of the false millennium - January 2000.
 This has been done for a specific reason - more than one - and
 that includes the way this powerful solar energy will prime human
 consciousness to be more likely to react to events in the desired
 fashion.

 In January 1997 there were 19 significant emissions of energy; Sun
 spot activity; which affected the Earth field. This cycle has been
 climbing ever since and will hit it's peak at the Millennium and
 the immediate months afterwards with 160 solar "strikes" on the
 Earth.

 I have been talking about this for more than a year and included
 this information in The Biggest Secret where you will find the
 relevant solar chart. Only a few months ago the American
 Astronomical Association issued a press release at its Chicago
 conference warning that the world was threatened with
 technological disruption at the Millennium because of this cycle.
 Y2K is not the only source of malfunction, they said. The
 fantastic energy bombardment from the Sun at that time, they
 warned, could mislead satellites into believing they were being
 given instructions that were not, in fact, being given..

 The whole scenario was planned centuries ago because the
 reptilians, operating from the lower fourth dimension, and indeed
 whatever force controls them, have a very different version of
 "time" than we have, hence they can see and plan down the
 three-dimensional "time"-line in a way that those in
 three-dimensional form cannot.

 You not be surprised to learn, therefore, that an enormous network
 of Illuminati rituals are planned all over the world at the turn
 of the Millennium, especially at the Giza pyramids in Egypt where
 a stream of Illuminati names will attend, including George Bush.
 The musician, Jean-Michel Jarre, has been paid a fortune to create
 a musical and lights extravaganza at Giza called, wait for it; the
 Twelve Dreams of the Sun.

 Jarre told a news conference that his special effects will give
 the illusion that the pyramids are doors through which the Sun
 passes. "The Sun, symbol of Egypt and time, seemed to me to be the
 best analogy to celebrate the new millennium" he said. Yes, it all
 came from your own creative mind, Jean-Michel, me old darling,
 I'll believe you. The fact that the millennium is the peak of a
 Sun cycle; the Illuminati created this false millennium with the
 Gregorian calender; and they follow the Sun cycles to the finest
 detail, is purely coincidental. Sure it is..

 The Giza ritual, which will cost some $9.5 m

[CTRL] FW: New Clinton Grab for Power

[Fransy]

 -Caveat Lector-

This will NEVER happen in the US. Yeah, right
Read on.

In a message dated 10/14/99 12:09:33 GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:

From: John Thoma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

 It's back!!  Exec. Order #13083 (rescinded due to public outcry)
 is here again as Order #13132.  It's basically an assault on the 10th
 ammendment.  Another blatant assault on your feeedom and an
 attempt to expand the power of the federal government by usurping
 the rights of the states.




 --10th Amendment to the Constitution of the United States.

 "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor
 prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or
 to the
 people."




 Read the dirty details at  http://www.americanpolicy.org/

 Clinton is using a series of exec. orders to change the
 structure of the nations' government.  As Paula Begula
 a Clinton aid said after signing E.O. #13083, "stroke of
 the pen, law of the land...kinda cool."

 Yeah, kinda cool and kinda frightening.

 This is part of his Federalism philosophy...ALL POWER TO
 THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT...and the dictator (president).
 The power  he has amassed via E.O.'s  is awesome and frightening.

 If y2k is only 1% as bad as the gloomers suggest, it is
 entirely possible that he will invoke martial law which by
 the way  * suspends constitutional rights *.  Expect Clinton to
 assume  unilateral control of the central government.  NB
 a new E.O. places the military under FEMA control in case
 of national emergency.  OH! no we (white house) would never declare
 martial law in the US.  Hey, if it looks like a duck, walks
 like a duck and quacks like a duck

 This E.O demands for your immediate outcry to your congress
 person and governor.

 Congressmen Paul and Metcalf have introduced H.R. 2655, "The
 Separation of Powers and Restoration Act."  The bill establishes the
 Constitutional separation between the President and Congress which
 dictates that Congress shall make policy and the President should
 enforce it.

 House capital switchboard 202-225-3121
 Senate 202-224-3121

 Make a call...take a stand for your freedom.  Ask them to support
 H.R. 2655.

 John

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[CTRL] FYI : IRS - Enrolled Agent Letter

[Fransy]

 -Caveat Lector-

TAXES - ACCOUNTING - AUDITS - ESTATE PLANNING - PAYROLL
17511 North Greenbluff Road   Colbert, Washington 99005
Tel (509) 238-4697 Fax (509) 238-4697

April 16, 1997


Henry E. Newman
c/o 324 Lincoln Avenue #B
El Cajon, California Republic


Dear Mr. Newman:

At your request I have researched the Internal Revenue Code (Title 26
U.S.C.)relative to an individual income tax return.  I cannot tell you not
to file anincome tax return unless you have no tax liability.  Each person
involved, on his/her own, must make this determination.

First let me tell you something about myself I am an Enrolled Agent.
Enrolled Agents are defined in the IRS Regulations Circular 230 as a person
who has demonstrated technical competence in interpreting and administering
the Internal Revenue Code and regulations thereunder.  This person has
passed a strenuous test in all areas of taxation administered by the
Internal Revenue Service.  Enrolled Agents are licensed by the Treasury
Department and must continue to show proficiency in the tax laws and
regulations with documented continuing professional education hours in order
to maintain their licenses.

There are two important issues that you need to address.  What is the
subject of the tax?  Where is the liability for that tax? These questions
are addressed more in detail later in this research letter.  Let us look at
some statutes that might concern you.  Lets start with the failure to file
return, supply information, or pay tax, as stated in section 7203 as
follows.

§ 7203, Willful failure to file return, supply information, or pay tax:

Any person required under this title to pay any estimated tax or tax, or
required by this title or by regulations made under authority thereof to
make a return, keep any records, or supply any information, who willfully
fails to pay such estimated tax or tax, make such return, keep such records,
or supply such information, at the time or times required by law or
regulations, shall, in addition to other penalties provided by law, be
guilty of a misdemeanor and, upon conviction thereof, shall be fined not
more Than $25,000 ($100,000 in the case of a corporation), or imprisoned not
more than 1 year, or both, together with the costs of prosecution, in the
case of any person with respect to who there is a failure to pay any
estimated tax, this section shall not apply to such person with respect to
such failure if there is no addition to tax under section 6654 or 6655 with
respect to such failure.  In The case of a willful violation of any
provision of section 60501, the first sentence of this section shall be
applied by substituting “5 years” for “1 year”.

As you can see by the highlighted words that there are two essential
elements that must be present.  First, you must be required to pay a tax, or
be liable for paying a tax.  This means it is a crime only if you are a
person required by law or regulation to pay a tax, file a return or keep
such records.  It is, therefore, important to determine if you are a person
“required” to perform these functions.  This will be the first subject
discussed in this letter.

The government has to prove these elements in order to subject you to
punishment.  They must first prove you had ‘taxable income”, that you are
“liable” for a tax, and that the “liability” made you a “required person.”
If any of these elements cannot be proven, you cannot be subject to
punishment.

Let’s first see whether or not you are a “person Liable.”  To start with, I
look at the two code sections that address this issue under:  Title 3,
Section 552a (e) (3) [[The Privacy Act], and title 44, Section 3504
(c)(3)(C) [[The Paperwork Reduction Act].

The Privacy Act states that the Agency requesting information must:

(3) inform each individual who it asks to supply information, on the form
which it uses to collect the information or on a separate form that can be
retained by the individual---

(A)  the authority (Either granted by statute, or by executive order of the
President) which authorizes the solicitation of the information and whether
disclosure of such information is mandatory or voluntary;

(B)  the principal purpose for which the information  is intended to be
used;

(C) the routine uses which may be made of the information, as published
pursuant to paragraph (4)(D) of the subsection; and

(D) the effects on him, if any, if not providing all or any part of the
requested information

The Paperwork Reduction Act states that the Director of the Office of
Management and Budget must include with his/her information request:

“a statement to inform the person reviewing the request why the information
is being collected, how it is to be used, and whether responses to the
request are voluntary, required to obtain a benefit, or mandatory...”

Now, here we have two statutes directing the government to tell us whether
giving t

[CTRL] FW: Foreign Troops and National Guard Preparing for Y2K

[Fransy]

 -Caveat Lector-

FYI-
F

 >
 >For Immediate Release
 >by Y2KCOMING.COM
 >
 >Franklin Frith 810-796-2037

 >Foreign Troops and National Guard Preparing for Y2K

 >Grayling, Michigan was the location for a unique training exercise called
 >the "Partner Challenge 1999", which took place during the weekend of June
 >18th and ended Tuesday, June 22. Three states and three European countries
 >were in the middle of "peacekeeping" games as they trained at Camp
Grayling (Latvia, Lithuania & Estonia).
 >"It couldn’t be better," said Col. Joe McDowell of the Michigan National
 >Guard - quoted in the Traverse City Record Eagle, June 19th. "To bring
 >people in (from) three states and three different countries and have
 >everything jell perfectly is just amazing."
 >According to the Record Eagle, "Soldiers also will take in a land
navigation
 >course and will practice taking over and securing an area -- where they
face
 >dissenters and people begging for food and money."
 >"After some training, these guys will be very good at their American
tactics
 >and they will learn a lot here," Lt. Ervins Gailas, platoon leader of
 >Latvian National Guard said.
 >Franklin Frith - y2kcoming.com, attended the Michigan State Police -
 >Emergency Management Division Y2K Regional Symposium on June 23, 1999 in
 >Grayling, Michigan.
 >Col. Dennis Hull, Emergency Management Coordinator for the Michigan
National
 >Guard stated that the "52 armories throughout the State of Michigan have
 >been trained to respond without higher level command."
 >The response that Col. Hull refers to was referred to by Deputy Secretary
of
 >Defense John Hamre in his memo to the various military departments in
 >February 1999. It is also referred to in the Department of Defense
Directive
 >3025.1 - Military Support to Civil Authorities. The documents have been
 >referred to by Deputy Secretary of Defense John Hamre and the Federal
 >Emergency Management Agency for response to Y2K consequences.
 >Col. Hull also stated that the national guard is "prepared to activate
state
 >military emergency operations center and joint military operations."
 >We "have developed a special national guard response plan for Y2K."
 >Conducting exercises with foreign troops to handle dissenters begging for
 >food and money may be due to the fact that Deputy Secretary of Defense
John
 >Hamre stated that the armed forces and reserves would fulfill their first
 >responsibility of meeting war-fighting abilities before providing military
 >support to civil authorities.
 >Col. Hull stated that the "National guard is federally funded, trained by
 >the federal government and all of the equipment is owned by the federal
 >government...The president can federalize the guard and use them however
he
 >wants."
 >The Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) has said that the Federal
 >Response Plan operations will be functional through the Y2K conversion
 >period. The Department of Defense Memo dated, February 22, 1999 defines
the
 >transition period to be from September 1, 1999 - March 31, 2000.
 >In the event of a major disaster requiring a national response on behalf
of
 >FEMA, the U.S. Army would be the executive agent. According to Col. Hull,
 >there is a "plan with the department of Army for a Y2K event on a national
 >level." "The Army has a plan to use the National Guard." The national
guard
 >would be federalized for the Army to use them.
 >In response to problems in Michigan, Col. Hull stated that an "Executive
 >order already has been typed up for the State to declare either an
emergency
 >or disaster for a fast response."
 >Public act 390 - Michigan Emergency Management Act explains the powers of
 >the governor and the consequences of disobeying his orders.
 >Describing the Guard’s view of the Y2K problem, Col. Hull stated "We do
not
 >know the level of this man-made emergency."
 >Franklin Frith has contacted various individuals with the National Guard
and
 >will provide more information in the near future.

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[CTRL] FW: RE: FYI - PLEASE READ 9-30-99

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FYI-Not to scare!
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Forwarded Message:
Subj:FYI
Date:   09/29/1999 10:59:05 PM Pacific Daylight Time
From:   [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kathleen Barton)
Reply-to:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Liz Westergreen)

>Subject: Unconfirmed InfoFYI
>
>
> > From: "David L. Miner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> > I met a man last night that used to go to my church.  Brandon moved
last
> > year before I started attending.  But several people, including the
> > pastor, say that Brandon is totally honest and does not "go off half

> > cocked."
> >
> > Brandon told me that his wife received a call from her cousin last
week.
> > The cousin lives in Ohio and her husband is a truck driver for
Wal-Mart.
> > It seems he was driving a load early last week and stopped at a
border
> > weigh station.  The inspector wanted to know what was in the load,
and
> > the driver indicated he did not know. He merely picked up the
trailer
> > and was transporting it to another state.
> >
> > The inspector opened the trailer and saw hundreds of uniform boxes.
He
> > asked what was in the boxes and the driver again stated that he
didn't
> > know.  So the inspector opened a box.
> >
> > In the box were about a hundred large (about 2'x3') plastic signs
that
> > stated: "This City Under Martial Law" in bright colors.  It said
> > something about the fed govt and had what looked like a legal
reference
> > (the driver claims to know nothing about legal issues, but he
thought it
> > was a reference to a law or an Executive Order or something).
> >
> > There were several hundred boxes of these signs.  The driver doesn't

> > know what Wal-Mart has to do with the signs.  But he did state that
> > Wal-Mart sometimes hires out space on their trucks if space is
> > available.  I might suggest that maybe the govt was using Wal-Mart
> > trucks to keep a low profile.
> >
> > Anyway, the info came to me by way of a long route. But the sources
are
> > "innocent bystanders" with no history of right-wing reactionary
> > politics.  The driver was married to a woman who was related to
> > Brandon's wife.  He swears the info is accurate and that he spoke
with
> > the driver himself to confirm what was passed between the respective

> > wives.  The driver claims there were hundreds of boxes, each one
with at
> > least a hundred large signs declaring martial law.
> >
> > I thought this was worth passing along.  Especially since the fed
govt
> > is telling us (Wednesday issue of USA Today and today's press
releases)
> > that we have nothing to fear.
> >
> > Yours in freedom, at least a little while longer,
> > Dave Miner

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[CTRL] FW: The Problem With Banks

[Fransy]

 -Caveat Lector-

 The following exchange was published in the British humour  magazine,
Punch, on April 3, 1957.  It is reprinted here:

 

 Q.  What are banks for?
 A.  To make money.

 Q.  For the customers?
 A.  For the banks.

 Q.  Why doesn't bank advertising mention this?
 A.  It would not be in good taste.  But it is mentioned by
 implication in references to reserves of $249,000,000 or
 thereabouts.  That is the money they have made.

 Q.  Out of customers?
 A.  I suppose so.

 Q.  They always mention assets of $500,000,000 or thereabouts.
 Have they made that too?
 A.  Not exactly.  That is the money they use to make money.

 Q.  I see.  And (do) they keep it in a safe somewhere?
 A.  Not at all.  They lend it to (their) customers.

 Q.  Then they haven't got it?
 A.  No.

 Q.  Then how is it Assets?
 A.  They maintain it would be if they got it back.

 Q.  But they must have some back?
 A.  Yes, usually about $500,000,000 or thereabouts.  This is
 called Liabilities.

 Q.  But if they've got it how can they be liable for it?
 A.  Because it isn't theirs.

 Q.  Then why do they have it?
 A.  It has been lent to them by (their) customers.

 Q.  You mean that customers lend banks money?
 A.  In effect.  They put money into their accounts, so it is
 really lent to the banks.

 Q.  And what do banks do with it?
 A.  Lend it to other customers.

 Q.  But you said that money lent to other people was Assets?
 A.  Yes.

 Q.  Then Assets and Liabilities must be the same thing?
 A.  You can't really say that.

 Q.  But you've just said it.  If  I put $100 into my account
 the bank is liable to have to pay it back, so its
 Liabilities.  But they go and lend it to someone else,
 and he is liable to have to pay it back, so it's Assets.
 It's the same $100, isn't it?
 Q.  Then it cancels out.  It means, doesn't it, that banks
 haven't any money at all?
 A.  Theoretically..

 Q.  Never mind, theoretically.  And if they haven't made any
 money where do they get their Reserves of $249,000,000 or
thereabouts?
 A.  I told you.  That is the money they have made.

 Q.  How?
 A.  Well, when they lend your $100 to someone they charge him
 interest.

 Q.  How much?
 A.  It depends on the Bank Rate.  Say five and a half per cent.
 That's their profit.

 Q.  Why isn't it my profit?  Isn't it my money?
 A.  It's the theory of banking practise that...

 Q.  When I lend them my $100 why don't I charge them interest?
 A.  You do.

 Q.  You don't say.  How much?
 A.  It depends on the Bank Rate.  Say half of a per cent.

 Q.   Grasping of me, rather?
 A.  But that's only if you're not going to draw the money out
 again.

 Q.  But of course, I'm going to draw the money out again.  If
 I hadn't wanted to draw it out again I could have buried
 it in the garden couldn't I?
 A.  They wouldn't want you to draw it out again.

 Q.  Why not?  If I keep it there you say its a Liability.
 Wouldn't they be glad if I reduced their Liabilities by
 removing it?
 A.  No.  Because if you remove it they can't lend it to anyone
 else.

 Q.  But if I wanted to remove it they'd have to let me?
 A.  Certainly.

 Q.  But suppose they've already lent it to another customer?
 A.  Then they'd let you have someone else's money.

 Q.  But suppose he wants his money too...and they've let me
 have it?
 A.  You're being purposely obtuse.

 Q.  I think I'm being acute.  What if everyone wanted their
 money at once?
 A.  It's the theory of banking practise that they never would.

 Q.  So what banks bank on is never having to meet their
 commitments?
 A.  I wouldn't say that.

 Q.  Naturally.  Well, if there's nothing else you think you
 can tell me...?

 A.  Quite so.  Now you can go off and open a banking account.

 Q.  Just one last question.
 A.  Of course.

 Q.  Wouldn't I do a lot better to go off and open up a bank?




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[CTRL] Response from a 58 y/o Californian FW: [FW: [CTRL] Fw: The Showdown on Hwy. 78]

[Fransy]

ith a loaded gun, tit for tat concealing the
weapon until the time to "reveal" it was right, our heroine would likely be
stone dead or seriously wounded [at which point Ms. Enraged would have
crossed
the line from citizen to criminal].

Instead, the "evil" police exercised lawful restraint, regardless of
firepower
brought to bear on the situation.

Nancy is still short of sympathy from me for merely illustrating for the
millionth time why it is patently stupid to carry an UNloaded gun,
ESPECIALLY
in a motor vehicle.

Yes, I like this one, Frans.

Nancy is alive because the police DIDN'T shoot her, even the SWAT cowboys
didn't shoot her.

Even though she was behaving like your average stupid bank robber doing the
highway chase bit.

And be real. The reason water had to be brought to stranded motorists on
Highway 78 was that a woman carrying a gun in her car refused to own up to
the
CONSEQUENCES of breaking well-known laws after providing a goodly number of
police agencies ample cause to believe she was armed and POSSIBLY dangerous.

She started it.

She got the media out there taking a chase to a highway, now she's unhappy
the
"media" "analyzed" her unkindly? Because she was ordered from her car at
gunpoint by the police and wouldn't get out of her car when there was only 1
or 2 cops, had to stir up this scene to protect herself? Meanwhile,
endangered
babes in arms, etc.?

What did she expect, Frans?

As I mentioned, my dad always had a loaded gun in the glove compartment.

He consequently kept the registration for the vehicles he owned on the sun
visor.

I'll bet when she scared Ms. Enraged off, she put her toy back exactly where
she would have to reveal it to show proof of registration and insurance.
Certainly she didn't carry it into the burger joint, or THEY would have
called
911. Or maybe she just tucked in under her seat or her shawl?

Guns are NOT toys.

The Nancies of this world persist in treating them like toys.

They don't qualify as martyrs to any cause in my book, LEAST of all the
right
to bear arms in defense of life and property.

People like this woman are right up there in my book with the "hunters" who
need 80 rounds to kill a deer.

Don't ever kid yourself they are not "dangerous."

Any number of people MIGHT have suffered a lot worse than dehydration on
account of this woman's stupidity and failure to own up to her
RESPONSIBILITY
for at least 2 laws the same day.

What did she EXPECT?

She expected to be shot and killed by the police, that is what she expected.

There is no way she could possibly believe that she would not be PURSUED!
when
she fled arrest.

Now she's disappointed that something else happened!

She expected to be shot and killed by the police, and go down as a victim
because even though she had a gun, it wasn't loaded.

It didn't go down that way.

What a letdown that must be.





"Fransy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I like this one!! Do you?...:)
> F
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On
> Behalf Of day
> Sent: Friday, September 17, 1999 3:53 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: [CTRL] Fw: The Showdown on Hwy. 78
>
>
>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> > The Showdown on Hwy. 78
> > (OFFICIAL PRESS RELEASE)
> >
> > July 1, 1999  was a typical day for most Southern Californians. In San
> > Diego’s
> > North county, 58 year-old Janet Lucero was on the road like thousands of
> >
> > others. She never had a thought how she could affect the lives of
> > thousands
> > in just one day.
> >
> > Road rage is a typical phenomenon ­ especially on the Golden State’s
> > crowded
> > thoroughfares. Highway 78 (a major connector freeway between Interstates
> > 5
> > and 15) was no exception. Janet was in route to a fair when another
> > woman
> > wanted to go elsewhere. Two drivers wanting to be in the same spot at
> > the
> > same time. No collision, just frayed nerves. But this would be
> > different.
> > Whoever Janet Lucero angered decided to follow her into the parking lot
> > of a
> > Burger King restaurant. This is where the chaos began.
> >
> > According to both parties, the woman approached Janet’s light blue Honda
> >
> > Civic once it was parked. Apparently, she had a few harsh words for
> > Janet. A
> > possible threat? Could she be hostile? Who knows? But in what is known
> > as
> > “the land of fruits and nuts,” Janet suspected by the woman’s attitude
> > that
> > this may have been the latter.
> >
> > Words were exchanged. Then, the woman opened Janet’s door and saw
> > something
> > on Janet’s lap ­ and

[CTRL] FW: [theseries] RON PAUL[BEFORE YOU SAY BOLOGNA]

[Fransy]

 -Caveat Lector-

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Sunday, September 19, 1999 4:46 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [theseries] RON PAUL[BEFORE YOU SAY BOLOGNA]


Before we say we can't do anything read this letter, and then email the man,
talk with him, Educate him further, we are running out of time "WE" CAN DO
something "NOW". But saying that what is, is and can't be changed is WRONG.
"WE" ARE THE "SPIRIT", THE WAY, THE MIGHT






SIGHTINGS

--
--




Letter From Congressman
Ron Paul - Important
Congressman Ron Paul
837 W. Plantation
Clute, TX 77531
1 800 RON PAUL
Originally written September 17, 1997

9-17-99



We spoke with Michael Sullivan, Congressman Paul's Press Secretary, on
9-17-99. He asked us to correct the letterhead address and the original
date of the letter, and explained that it is a two year old campaign
letter that someone has transcribed and circulated on the net. We have
made and noted those changes per his request.


Dear Friend:

The other day, I made a huge "gaffe" on national TV: I told the truth about
the crimes of the U.S. government. As you can imagine, the ceiling fell in,
and a couple of walls too.

Congressmen are supposed to support the government, I was told. Oh, it's
okay
to criticize around the edges, but there are certain subjects a member of
the
House of Representatives is not supposed to bring up. But I touched the real
"third-rail" of American politics, and the sparks sure flew.

I was interviewed on C-SPAN's morning "Washington Journal," and I used the
opportunity, as I do all such media appearances, to point out how many of
our
liberties have been stolen by the federal government. We must take them
back.

The Constitution, after all, has a VERY limited role for Washington, D.C. If
we stuck to the Constitution as written, we would have: no federal meddling
in our schools; no Federal Reserve; no U.S. membership in the UN; no gun
control; and no foreign aid. We would have no welfare for big corporations,
or the "poor"; no American troops in 100 foreign countries; no NAFTA, GATT,
or "fast-track"; no arrogant federal judges usurping states rights; no
attacks on private property; and no income tax. We could get rid of most of
the cabinet departments, most of the agencies, and most of the budget. The
government would be small, frugal, and limited.

That system is called liberty. It's what the Founding Fathers gave us.

Under liberty, we built the greatest, freest, most prosperous, most decent
country on earth. It's no coincidence that the monstrous growth of the
federal government has been accompanied by a sickening decline in living
standards and moral standards.

The feds want us to be hamsters on a treadmill -- working hard, all day
long,
to pay high taxes, but otherwise entirely docile and controlled. The huge,
expensive, and out-of-control leviathan that we call the federal government
wants to run every single aspect of our lives.

Well, I'm sorry, but that's not America. It's not what the Founders gave us.
It's not the country you believe in. It's not the country I believe in.

So, on that TV interview, I emphasized not only the attacks on our property,
but also the decline of our civil liberties, at the hands of the federal
police. There are not supposed to be ANY federal police, according to the
Constitution.

Then I really went over the line. I talked about the Waco massacre.Bill
Clinton and Janet Reno claim those 81 church members, including 19 children,
burned down their own church and killed themselves, and good riddance. So
they put the few survivors on trial, and threw them in prison for 40 years.

We're not supposed to remember that the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and
Firearms -- talk about an unconstitutional agency -- rather than arrest
David
Koresh on his regular morning jog, called in the TV stations for a big
publicity bonanza, and sent a swat team in black masks and black uniforms to
break down his front door, guns blazing. They also sent in a helicopter
gunship, to shoot at the roof of a church full of innocents.

The Branch Davidians resisted, and after a heartless siege of almost two
months, and after cutting off food, water, and electricity, and playing
horrible rock and roll through huge speakers 24 hours a day, the feds sent
in
the tanks to crush the walls of the church, and inject poisonous CS gas.

Now, CS gas is banned under the Paris Convention on Chemical Warfare. The
U.S. could not use it in a war. But it could and did use it against American
civilians.

After the tanks did their work on the church, the place burst into flame,
and
all 81 people -- men, women, children, and babies--were incinerated in a
screaming horror.

Did some feds set the fire? Did the flammable CS gas ignite, since without
electricity, the parishioners were using lanterns? Did a tank knock over a
lantern, striking one of the bales of hay b

Re: [CTRL] FW: Spider Warnings 9-13-99

[Fransy]

 -Caveat Lector-

Well, I suppose I am 'red(butt)faced' :o)
A joke is a joke, is a sorry folks!!
I just ain't got the time to check (so better safe than sorry I guess)

Thanks for the truth Robert,

Frans

-Original Message-
From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On
Behalf Of Tatman, Robert
Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 1999 6:53 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [CTRL] FW: Spider Warnings 9-13-99


 -Caveat Lector-

From:
http://urbanlegends.miningco.com/library/blspider.htm?pid=2733&cob=home



 Guide's note:  Don't panic. This is just a joke. It gives itself away in
the
 first sentence: "According to an article by Dr. Beverly Clark, in the
Journal
 of the United Medical Association (JUMA)..."

 There is no such journal. There is no "United Medical Association," period.

 There have been no news reports of spider-caused deaths among air
 travelers in Chicago.

 There is no "Blare Airport" in Chicago (try O'Hare International Airport).
 There's no restaurant called "Big Chappies."

 There is no known species called arachnius gluteus (apparently intended
 to be translated as "butt spider").

 There is such a thing as a blush spider, but guess what - it's a
 cosmetological term referring to patches of tiny varicose veins on the
 surface of the skin.

 If you're attacked by one of these, I'd recommend calling a plastic surgeon
 rather than the exterminator... unless, of course, you want to be the
"butt"
 of this Internet joke.

> -Original Message-
> From: Fransy [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 1999 8:08 AM
> To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject:  [CTRL] FW:  Spider Warnings   9-13-99
>
>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> Officer Sylvia Steele
> Texas A&M International University
> 5201 University Blvd.
> Laredo, Tx 78041-1999
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[CTRL] FW: Reality Check

[Fransy]

 -Caveat Lector-

FYI,
F
---
Gary North's REALITY CHECK
Issue 42
September 13, 1999



 KEEPING GOOD BANK RECORDS WON'T HELP YOU IN A Y2K CRISIS


 I have already explained this to REMNANT REVIEW
subscribers in the July 2 issue.  Here, I want to follow up
on some of the implications.

 The U.S. government from the beginning has dismissed
Y2K as a minor problem with mild consequences: the 72-hour
hurricane.  Mild consequences call forth inexpensive
answers.  Problems that produce mild consequences are
ignored by most people.

 What are the likely consequences of Y2K for banks?
According to the government, hardly any.  But, just in
case, we are told to keep good records.  This means we
should keep our bank receipts.  That's all?  Yes.

 The Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation is a
government agency, or at least a quasi-government agency.
It has a Web site with .gov ending its address.  On the
FDIC site, the Y2K-concerned reader is told this:

 "As always, keep good records of your financial
 transactions, especially for the last few months
 of 1999 and until you get several statements in
 2000."

   http://www.fdic.gov/news/news/press/1999/checklist.pdf

 Why should we keep good records?  We are not told.  It
is implied by the FDIC that these records will get you your
money on any account up to $100,000.  Well, they won't --
not according to the FDIC's own rules.  Read Section 330.1
from the pertinent FDIC Web page.  Pay close attention to
the words, "books and records of the insured institution."
They are not your books and records.  Here is what you
possess: "account statements, deposit slips, items
deposited or cancelled checks."  These are specifically
exempted as evidence.  Here is the text:


330.1 Definitions.  For the purposes of this part:

 (e)  Deposit account records means account
 ledgers, signature cards, certificates of deposit,
 passbooks, corporate resolutions authorizing
 accounts in the possession of the insured
 depository institution and other books and
 records of the insured depository institution,
 including records maintained by computer, which
 relate to the insured depository institution's
 deposit taking function, but does not mean
 account statements, deposit slips, items
 deposited or cancelled checks.

[Codified to 12 C.F.R., 330.1]

[Section 330.1 amended at 58 Fed. Reg. 29963, May 25, 1993,
effective December 19, 1993; 63 Fed. Reg. 25756, May 11,
1998, effective July 1, 1998]


 You can verify this by clicking through:

  http://www.fdic.gov/regulations/laws/rules/2000-15.html

 This is also spelled out in detail in the FDIC booklet
for banks, "Financial Institution Employees' Guide to
Deposit Insurance" (Fall 1996):


 For the purpose of determining legal ownership of
 accounts, deposit account records do not include:
 Account statements, Deposit slips, Items
 deposited and cancelled checks.


 Are you getting the picture?  The FDIC has soothed the
fearful hearts of Y2K-aware depositors by telling them that
all they need to do is keep good records.  But these
records have no legal status.  What has legal status are
the records of the banks.  Problem: the computers are
non-compliant.  If your bank's computer will not give access
to your accounts' records, you are left without recourse.
Your account is closed.  You cannot get your money.  The
FDIC owes you nothing.  It only owes the bank that paid its
FDIC insurance premiums.

 What we have here is deliberate deception.  The FDIC
knows exactly what it's doing.  It is calming the public by
means of a false hope.  It is trying to head off a bank run
that will bankrupt the FDIC.  It is a self-interested party
that is misinforming the depositors.

 The depositors know nothing about all this.  This
information is buried in the FDIC's regulations.  The press
has not picked up the story, even though I published it,
with the full documentation, on July 2.  I have not
received any inquiry from the press on this matter.  The
press is not going to break ranks with the banks.  The
government's greatest Y2K fear today is that there will be
a run on the banks.  The press will not risk creating a
bank run by exposing this chicanery.

 All digital money is at risk.  The risk is so great
that the FDIC is playing games with the public.  This means
that all forms of capital that derive their present value
from markets based on digital money are also at risk.


WORTHLESS RECEIPTS

 You have a bank receipt.  Goodie for you.  Try to
spend it.

 The receipt is at least a month old.  It's probably
six weeks old.  Does it prove what is in your bank account
today?  Obviously not.  You probably wrote checks on the
account since then.  Your bank records are ancient history.
Yet the obviousness of this fact is not obvious to tens of
millions of depositors who take seriously the warning,
"kee

[CTRL] FW: Spider Warnings 9-13-99

[Fransy]

 -Caveat Lector-

Officer Sylvia Steele
Texas A&M International University
5201 University Blvd.
Laredo, Tx 78041-1999
956-326-2100
Fax:956-326-2099
Email:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]



Subject:Spider Warnings NOT A JOKE


An article by Dr. Beverly Clark, in the Journal of the United
Medical Association (JUMA), the mystery behind a recent spate of deaths has
been solved.If you haven't already heard about it in the news, here
is what happened.

Three women in Chicago, turned up at hospitals over a 5-day period,
all with the  same symptoms.  Fever, chills, and vomiting, followed by
muscular collapse, paralysis, and  finally, death. There were no outward
signs of trauma.  Autopsy results  showed toxicity in the blood.

These women did not know each other, and seemed to have nothing in
common.

It was discovered, however, that they had all visited the same
restaurant (Big Chappies, at Blare Airport), within days of their deaths.
The
health department descended on the restaurant, shutting it down. The  food,
water, and air conditioning were all inspected and tested, to no avail.

The big break came when a waitress at the restaurant was rushed to
the hospital with similar symptoms. She told doctors that she had been
on vacation, and had only went to the restaurant to pick up her check.
She did not eat or drink while she was there, but had used the restroom.

That is when one toxicologist,  remembering an article he had read,
drove out to the restaurant, went into the restroom, and lifted the toilet
seat.

Under the seat, out of normal view, was a small spider.  The spider
was captured and brought back to the lab, where it was determined to be
the South American Blush Spider (arachnius gluteus), so named because of
its reddened flesh color. This spider's venom is extremely toxic, but
can take several days to take effect.  They live in cold, dark, damp,
climates, and toilet rims provide just the right atmosphere.

Several days later a lawyer from Los Angeles showed up at a hospital
emergency room. Before his death, he told the doctor, that he had
been away on business, had taken a flight from New York, changing planes in
Chicago, before returning home. He did not visit Big Chappies while there.
He
did, as did all of the other victims, have what was determined to be a
puncture wound, on his right buttock.

Investigators discovered that the flight he was on had originated in
South America. The Civilian Aeronautics Board (CAB) ordered an immediate
inspection  of the toilets of all flights from South America, and
discovered the Blush  spider's nests on 4 different planes!

It is now believed that these spiders can be anywhere in  the
country.

So please, before you use a public toilet, lift the seat to check for
spiders.

It can save your life!  And please pass this on to everyone you care
about --

Officer Sylvia Steele
Texas A&M International University
5201 University Blvd.
Laredo, Tx 78041-1999
956-326-2100
Fax:956-326-2099
Email:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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[CTRL] FW: Conspiracy Theory

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 -Caveat Lector-

Conspiracy Theory


>  > Here's a little part of US history which makes you sit up and go
> h-m-m-m-m-m-m-m
>  > Abraham Lincoln was elected to Congress in 1846.
>  > John F. Kennedy was elected to Congress in 1946.
>
>  > Abraham Lincoln was elected President in 1860.
>  > John F. Kennedy was elected President in 1960.
>
>  > Both wives lost children while living in the White House.
>  > Both Presidents were shot on a Friday.
>  > Both Presidents were shot in the head.
>  > Lincoln's secretary was named Kennedy.
>  > Kennedy's secretary was named Lincoln.
>  > Both were assassinated by Southerners.
>  > Both were succeeded by Southerners named Johnson.
>
>  > Andrew Johnson, who succeeded Lincoln, was born in 1808.
>  > Lyndon Johnson, who succeeded Kennedy, was born in 1908.
>
>  > John Wilkes Booth, who assassinated Lincoln, was born in 1839.
>  > Lee Harvey Oswald, who assassinated Kennedy, was born in 1939.
>
>  > Both assassins were known by their three names.
>  > Both names are comprised of fifteen letters.
>
>  > Lincoln was shot at the theater named "Kennedy".
>  > Kennedy was shot in a car called "Lincoln".
>
>  > Booth ran from the theater and was caught in a warehouse.
>  > Oswald ran from a warehouse and was caught in a theater.
>
>  > Booth and Oswald were assassinated before their trials.
>
>  > And here's the kicker
>  >  A week before Lincoln was shot, he was in Monroe, Maryland.
>  > A week before Kennedy was shot, he was in Marilyn Monroe. ;o)~

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Re: [CTRL] Federal corn!

[Fransy]

 -Caveat Lector-

Dear Bonnie,

I do understand your situation. The federal corn post was not intended
for people genuinely needing assistance, whether temporarily or more
permanently. But for those who are parasites to any socialy oriented
system. And the fact of the matter is they are for more of those than
any system can bear. Reason that many if not all of them are near
bankruptcy.

Generally people who do not like these type of socialistic systems are
NOT anti-social nor do they dismiss automatically and entirely the need
to help their fellow man. But, like myself, they do acknowledge and
know they are other ways to effect such help more efficiently and also
with much more respect for the beneficiary's human dignity.

It did happened to me indeed personally and that is why I have indulged
into posting this. The finality was that I have more suffered from the
'state's help' than from the situation that drove me into it!

The simple facts are that in the process my human dignity was crushed,
without even talking about the society's label on my back. Every single
attempt to get out of it was "legally" shattered and pulled me back into
dependence. This alone kills your self esteem as being worthless and
unable to live a life of your own.

The conclusion is that in the name of 'help' you are totally controlled
by the system in every details of your life. In the name of "help" you
are surrending personal freedom and sovereignty.
One can bear this temporarily, as it should with real help, but if
"the system" doesn't provide for getting out of it, in the long run
you're dying inside, accepting to be enslaved.
That is what socialism does to you.

I thank God every minute to have been able to get out of it.

Let's not forget that "socialism" is "soft" communism as "communism"
is "hard" socialism. So in fact they are one and the same, only the
manner how it is imposed on you is different.

Bonnie, you are NOT one of the pigs. NEVER.

Any and all lives are the most precious gifts there are.
Human life is a divine sovereign gift that no one is allow to "control"
neither individually nor collectively.

This is what this fight is all about.

Yes, there are thousands of persons, including me, that will genuinely
help you. But I will never dare to "take care of you".

Thank you for your courage to reply in all honesty.

Hope is in everyone of us, let us spread it far and wide.

Warm Regards,
Frans
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Subject: [theseries] Re: [bigchat] Federal corn!



Well, I have to live on Federal food stamps. I am seriously injured and
disabled, cannot work, and need to survive.

And BIG, the one thing that I had going to help me help myself in the
future,
does not, after 15 months, even have my account right, with only one lonely
PR. I have nothing in my account.

So, I guess that makes me one of the pigs.

So be it. But please, before you condemn me and others who sometimes need a
leg up, think about it. There are many of us out here who are decent people
who have always worked for our living, raised our families, and suddenly
life
turns around on them, and is out of their control.

Remember, it could happen to you.

If the Government doesn't take care of us, will you?

Regards,
Bonnie
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[CTRL] THE Illuminati

[Fransy]

  
http://www.islandnet.com/~persewen/illum_index.htm 
 








ILLUMINATI NEWS  

 
 
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times by US 
Government, US Military, British Government, Russian Federation, Australian Government, Chinese Government, New York Times,  
Planet 
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This site is under 
surveillance!
[I am not joking]
Note: This site is non-religious and 
non-political. This web-master only wants to expose the truth as he has 
concluded it. Both politics and religions are run by the same forces who want us 
all to become their slaves in a One World State, in a New World Order of tyranny 
and oppression. 



 

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Is it 
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All this 
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...!
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think so. But I recommend you to continue the reading of this web site, and 
I'm sure you will change your mind and on a gradient you will get the 
picture and find yourself being suddenly very aware of what is happening in 
the world and why. Your questions will most likely be answered. Take one or 
a few pages at the time, because it's much to read, but it's vital for 
anybody's survival to be aware of what I'm now going to tell you. And if 
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June
 
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 Y2K (The Millennium 
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The Big Brother 
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 Rituals and rarities 
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World War III and 
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The intended 
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Occult 
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Genesis, as told on 
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"New World 
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Hitler and the secret 
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 Destruction of 
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 Beatles, 
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 List of 
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 The Committee of 
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 Multiple Persona

[CTRL] Federal corn!

[Fransy]

 -Caveat Lector-

If you use federal handouts in place of corn and people in place of
the pigs - how close are we to having the final rail put in place?

  The Wild and Free Pigs of the Okefenokee Swamp

  based on a telling by George Gordon



Some years ago, about 1900, an old trapper from North Dakota hitched
up some horses to his Studebaker wagon, packed a few possessions --
especially his traps -- and drove south.

Several weeks later he stopped in a small town just north of the
Okefenokee Swamp in Georgia.

  It was a Saturday morning -- a lazy day -- when he walked into the
  general store. Sitting around the pot-bellied stove were seven or
  eight of the town's local citizens.

  The traveler spoke. "Gentlemen, could you direct me to the
Okefenokee
  Swamp?"

  Some of the oldtimers looked at him like he was crazy.

  "You must be a stranger in these parts," they said.

  "I am. I'm from North Dakota," said the stranger.

  "In the Okefenokee Swamp are thousands of wild hogs." one old man
  explained. "A man who goes into the swamp by himself asks to die!"

  He lifted up his leg. "I lost half my leg here, to the pigs of the
  swamp."

  Another old fellow said, "Look at the cuts on me; look at my arm bit
  off!"

  "Those pigs have been free since the Revolution, eating snakes and
  rooting out roots and fending for themselves for over a hundred
years.
  They're wild and they're dangerous. You can't trap them. No man dare
  go into the swamp by himself."

  Every man nodded his head in agreement.

  The old trapper said, "Thank you so much for the warning. Now could
  you direct me to the swamp?"

They said, "Well, yeah, it's due south -- straight down the road."

  But they begged the stranger not to go, because they knew he'd meet
  a
terrible fate.

  He said, "Sell me ten sacks of corn, and help me load it in the
  wagon." And they did.

  Then the old trapper bid them farewell and drove on down the road.
The townsfolk thought they'd never see him again.

  Two weeks later the man came back. He pulled up to the general
store, got down off the wagon, walked in and bought ten more sacks of
corn.
  After loading it up he went back down the road toward the swamp. Two
  weeks later he returned and again bought ten sacks of corn.
This went on for a month. And then two months, and three.
Every week or two the old trapper would come into town on a Saturday
morning, load up ten sacks of corn, and drive off south into the
swamp.

The stranger soon became a legend in the little village and the
subject of much speculation. People wondered what kind of devil had
possessed this man, that he could go into the Okefenokee by himself
and not be consumed by the wild and free hogs.

  One morning the man came into town as usual. Everyone thought he
  wanted more corn.

He got off the wagon and went into the store where the usual group of
men were gathered around the stove. He took off his gloves.
"Gentlemen," he said, "I need to hire about ten or fifteen wagons. I
need twenty or thirty men."
  "I have six thousand hogs out in the swamp, penned up, and they're
all hungry. I've got to get them to market right away."
  "You've WHAT in the swamp?" asked the storekeeper, incredulously.

  "I have six thousand hogs penned up. They haven't eaten for two or
  three days, and they'll starve if I don't get back there to feed and
  take care of them."

  One of the oldtimers said, "You mean you've captured the wild hogs
  of
the Okefenokee?"

  "That's right."

  "How did you do that? What did you do?" the men urged, breathlessly.

  One of them exclaimed, "But I lost my arm!"
  "I lost my brother!" cried another.

"I lost my leg to those wild boars!" chimed a third.

The trapper said, "Well, the first week I went in there they were wild
all right."

  "They hid in the undergrowth and wouldn't come out. I dared not get
off the wagon."
  "So I spread corn along behind the wagon. Every day I'd spread a
  sack
of corn."
  "The old pigs would have nothing to do with it."

  "But the younger pigs decided that it was easier to eat free corn
than it was to root out roots and catch snakes. So the very young
began toeat the corn first." "I did this every day. Pretty soon, even
the old pigs decided that it was easier to eat free corn."

"After all, they were all free; they were not penned up. They could
run off in any direction they wanted at any time."

  "The next thing was to get them used to eating in the same place all
  the time. So I selected a clearing, and I started putting the corn
in the clearing."
   "At first they wouldn't come to the clearing. It was too far. It
   was
too open. It was a nuisance to them."

  "But the very young decided that it was easier to take the corn in
the clearing than it was to root out roots and catch their own snakes.
And not long thereafter, the older pigs also decided that it was
easier to come to the clearing every day."

  "And so the pigs learned to come to the clearing every day to get

[CTRL] We are only the messengers: Remarkable Times

[Fransy]

 -Caveat Lector-

And where will You be on the morning of the 11th ???

This message has great significance to us all. It explains the shifts
we have all anticipated for so long, and the manifestations globally we
are witness to, day to day.
Good reading.

The Lunar and Solar Eclipses - What is Happening?

Right now, something truly profound in the evolution of our reality is
finally coming to a head. This period contains the moment we have all been
waiting for - or at least, the new beginning which leads to it. It is the
reason that the world around us has felt pregnant with something entirely
new, and why we humans have, over recent months, often felt so frustrated
with waiting. The up-coming eclipses are at the centre of what is happening.
The purpose of this note is to give you some guidelines which may assist
in how to maximise the opportunity.

It is possible to see this time either very positively, or very
negatively, yet the reality
will be different for each of us. There is no doubt that radical change
is likely - when I asked for a dream to give me greater clarity, I was
shown the following scenario. I was helpingt facilitate a spiritually
based workshop - while we were all enjoying our work, a flash flood
swept everything in the street outside away, cars, belongings, the lot.
An interesting image for a time of change! The point is that those who
were doing the spiritual work were all perfectly safe, but in the
mundane realm there was huge chaotic change. The continually escalating
energies of higher consciousness which have been flooding into the
planet and our individual consciousness for several years, have now gone
exponential. These energies also open up access to the knowledge that
will drive the creation of the 'new paradigm'. As little as one year
ago, the energies of the new paradigm were at only 10% compared with 90%
for the old. Now, a few weeks before the 11the August solar eclipse it
stands at 49% new to 51% old.

When I ask will the two will come into balance, the date I am given is
that of the solar eclipse as the moment when the new energies come into
the ascendancy for the first time.

The eclipse, and the astrological 'grand cross that accompanies it, are a
significant focal point. However, the main features of the Grand Cross,
which are being modified daily by the movement of the planets, are already
in place, and will be for many weeks.

Thus, some commentators focus on days other than the eclipse as
having major significance. Although there may be a central event, the
whole is a powerful process, over some weeks, and setting of many other
change processes.

The cutting off of the energy of the sun, in a process that will last
just over three hours and pass over a great deal of territory, has a
radical potential for change. First, all the programming that generates
the fear that has existed for millennia, and, as a primary tool of the
old paradigm, have held humanity captive, are held within various layers
of the earth's energy grids and structures. As the sun is blocked from
the earth, these fears - already loosened by the escalation of higher
consciousness energies of recent years - will now become detached, and
can, if we do not reinforce them, actually dissipate away to nothing.
Secondly, these fears can be replaced by our positive intentions, if we
choose to make those explicit during the time of the solar eclipse.
It will be highly important, then, to visualise the most positive
reality possible, during this time, and hold your vision steadfast and
unwavering.

Most of us are aware that we create our own realities in some way.
However, this task has usually been greatly complicated by many old,
inappropriate energies that cause interference to our intentions. Now,
as the energies from the sun become disconnected during the eclipse,
aspects of that which interferes will be temporarily absent - for a time
the board will be wiped clean. The work that you do during this time is
therefore vitally important, since it sets the scene for what happens
next.

The fact is, if we are willing to move forwards with an act of
conscious evolution, we have all the cosmic help we could want at this
time. But it is important to recognise that we are the ones with the
expertise in being human. We need to envisage the new reality, in order
to provide a basis by which it can manifest. Nobody else is going to do
this part for you!

You, along with many other aware individuals, are now the architects
of what happens next!

So, take this time as one where it is important to focus, in joy, on
co-creating what you want. Spend the time of the eclipse in quiet
meditation. If you can, do this work with like-minded others, for
together you will greatly leverage your creative power. Devise and make
your decrees as to what you intend for the future, have fun using your
utmost creative ability, no holds barred, to change the game we have all
been playing to one that is wholly positive, and based in love

[CTRL] FW: [bigchat] Proud to be an American ?

[Fransy]

 -Caveat Lector-

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 1999 3:23 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [bigchat] Proud to be an American ?


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Dear Tim,
I hope a large number of people on the forum took the trouble to read your
most informative document.It is particularly useful to us in the U.K. be
cause we are usually one step behind the U.S.and as a consequence could
become forearmed,having been forewarned by courageous people such as
yourself.

Usually an optimist I'm afraid I am a little fearful with reference to the
impact your statements may have here in the U.K.
Freedoms are being eroded here all the time,unobserved by the majority,who
blindly move on in the most appalling of attitudes -one of total apathy !
Before too long we will all be in the same boat,dictated to by an outspoken
minority, who attain their power by the attitude
mentioned.You must feel the absolute helplessness of the situation,I know I
do,and there was an illustration just today of what is facing us.

A small businessman and local Community Leader was held by the police for
over 6 hours because he held his daughters wrists in an attempt to stop her
from joining a party (so called) as he believed he was protecting her from
drug abuse.She complained to the police and he was taken into custody -his
crime, protecting his own daughter by restraint represented assault.She is
15
and can command this kind of power over her own father.Only when she asked
the police to drop charges was he released.Do gooders, social services etc,
just love interfering in other peoples lives,the more respectable they are
the better they like it ! This country is going down the same route as yours
at an escalating rate,might even overtake you unless someone of prominence
stands up and cries STOP ! Remember the show "Stop the World I want to get
off", sounded like a crazy title when it came out - it's becoming more
relevent by the day.
Best of luck to you Tim you deserve a huge pat on the back,much appreciated
!

Regards Alf.Powell

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[CTRL] Proud to be an American ?

[Fransy]

 -Caveat Lector-

Proud to be an American ?
I used to be proud that I lived in the world's first constitutional
republic, Now I am told it is a "democracy", the final step before a
dictatorship.
I used to be proud that this nation was an example of right for all to
follow, Now I am ashamed to call myself an American because of our decline
into
wrong.
I used to be proud that we had a free nation of law, under GOD,
Now we are a nation of "public policy", under bankruptcy to international
bankers.
I used to be proud that I was born free and lived in Michigan state, a
geographical area, Now I am told it is a corporate "State of Michigan", and
I
am subject to its statutes, codes and laws.
I used to be proud that the citizenry knew their rights and where they
came from, Now most believe that they only have privileges granted them by
the all
powerful corporate state.
I used to be proud when I knew juries and grand juries stood against bad
laws and judges, Now they are nothing more than a prosecutorial tool of the
prosecutors and judges.
I used to be proud of the education standards of our schools and
university's, Now there are courses taught like 28 ways to shake hands and
advanced
basket weaving.
I used to be proud of my honorable military service in time of war,
Now I know the people were, and are, constantly lied to about the causes
and prisoners of that war.
I used to be proud when I saw a person in most any uniform on our
streets, Now I fear for my safety because that person does not have me or my
nation's security as his goal.
I used to be proud when I saw the "United States" (No yellow fringe)
flag flying in our state, Now I see it as the symbol of a fearsome,
manipulated, foreign
corporation that is anti-American people.
I used to be proud to assert my right to vote for the statesman of
choice, Now it matters not for whom or even if I vote, as politicians,
mostly
lawyers, are bought and paid for.
I used to be proud of the people at my local media for reporting truth,
justice and all the news, Now it is controlled by the "editor" who censures
it so that people cannot make fully informed decisions.
I used to be proud when I paid my fair share in taxes to support my
government, Now I am aware none of that money goes to support our
government.
I used to be proud that one qualification to become a police officer was
local residency, Now the applicant must be a "citizen or resident of the
United States", which is a foreign corporation.
I used to be proud that I had the freedom to travel without fear most
anywhere in this nation, Now I worry when I see a policeman, lest I be
caught breaking some edict of government and be jailed.
I used to be proud that all our government guarded my privacy as one of
its main jobs, Now its main job is nothing less than the invasion and
abolition of the
privacy of all of the citizenry.
I used to be proud that I maintained my home and land well, Now I dare not
improve it because I may not be able to afford the tax increase.
I used to be proud to enter most any neighborhood in this nation to
visit friends or family, Now I fear doing so lest it be a "known" drug or
crime area and my car be confiscated.
I used to be proud that I had been called to serve for jury duty, Now I
avoid
the courts as just another "business for profit" in the law enforcement
industry. I used to be proud that my neighbor's were watchful of my lands
and property,
Now I fear they could be the cause of its forfeiture for some victimless,
mala prohibita crime.
I used to be proud that I had a right to responsibly own, possess and
use "arms", Now those actions are being used to label me as
"anti-government", or
"militia", "terrorist", or worse.
I used to be proud to stand up and be counted as a loud voice on
numerous issues, Now I hesitate to do so, should I, or my family, become
targets of
ignorant vindictiveness.
I used to be proud that I could read, study, and live, my religion's
teachings, Now if I do so, I am falsely branded as "white supremacist",
"anti-Semitic", "radical", "racist", or worse.
I used to be proud that I did not need government identification for all
personal interactions, Now I fear that a national identification document
for all transactions is law in the land.
I used to be proud that I could say or write most anything, with
responsibility,
Now if I speak or write freely, expressing unpopular views, I am called a
"paper terrorist" or worse.
I used to be proud that I could teach my children my religion's moral
views and ways, Now, if I do so, I may be charged with the crime of teaching
religion
without training and a license.
I used to be proud that my children were properly punished when they did
wrong, Now I fear to do so because I might be charged with "child abuse". I
used to be proud to let my children learn by doing things for themselves,
Now
if I do so I may be charged with "child neglect".
I used to be proud that my spouse and I had a marriage license, believing it
was required, Now 

Re: [CTRL] Le Metropole - The Cyberspace Cafe for Investors and Intellectuals

[Fransy]

 -Caveat Lector-

Bill,

'Le Café du Métropole' was and still is a place of fine food and beverages
where great business, political, scientific and economic (macro- et al)
minds and deals were/are poised to meet and wheel in the heart of Brussels,
Place de Brouckère.

It is the well known 'café-restaurant' of the 'Hôtel Métropole' one of the
oldest and greatest hotel in Brussels since the end of the 19th century.
Kings, Princes and Ambassadors from the world were guests there. And 'le
Concièrge du Métropole' was reknown everywhere in Europe! He knew every
guest's little 'fantasy'.

It is known that France offered the Statue of Liberty to America, but it is
much less known that the model for that statue (thus the original) was a
small (about a yard high) statue on top of the frontpiece (facade opening)
of the Hôtel Métropole in Brussels.

As now Brussels has been declared the "Capitale de l'Europe" 'Le Café du
Métropole' is even more international in nature.

It is thus a very fine name for your Cyberspace Cafe :)

Best Regards,
Frans Uytterhoeven
International Hospitality Management and Offshore Consultant.
ULB, Brussels and Seminars in Hotel Management in Cornell and Lansing U.


-Original Message-
From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On
Behalf Of Kris Millegan
Sent: Monday, July 26, 1999 5:54 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [CTRL] Le Metropole - The Cyberspace Cafe for Investors and
Intellectuals


 -Caveat Lector-

from:
http://www.lemetropolecafe.com/
http://www.lemetropolecafe.com/">Le Metropole Cafe
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Le Metropole
The Cyberspace Cafe for Investors and Intellectuals

Welcome to Le Metropole. It is a venue where investors and intellectuals
from all over the world can meet to discuss the vibrant economic and
financial issues of the day. Our theme is the French cafes of the early
to mid 20th century, Le Moulin Rouge ( Pigalle ), Les Deux Magots ( St.
Germain ), Le Flore ( St. Germain ), La Coupole ( Montparnasse ) and
Brasserie Lipp ( St. Germain ). Paris was a place where artists,
intellectual figures, public personalities, etc., all met to engage,
share, and learn. Times have changed but the human craving for knowledge
and association with the most fascinating minds and creators out there
has not. The internet has made it possible for us to present economic
and financial commentary via " The Minds of Le Metropole", an economic
dream team, and for you to be able to interact with others about this
commentary.

Our team of authoritative experts will focus on: U. S. Financial Markets
, World Financial Markets, Asia, Gold ( commodities ) and International
Events that affect these markets.

The Minds of Le Metropole

The roster of the economic dream team thus far are:
>From the National School of Statistics and Economic Studies in Paris,
the Institut D'Etude Politiques, and the Masters Program in Pure
Mathematics at the University of Paris, Eric Barande. Eric is well known
in Europe as an independent strategist on economics and financial
markets.
Out of Manila and the San Francisco Art Institute, Greg Pickup. Greg,
our market technician and author has been at the Chicago Board of Trade
since 1979. He advises commercial grain and oilseed companies worldwide.

John BrimelowFrom the University of London and the Business School at
Stanford, John Brimelow. John is a notable, institutional stock broker
with a vast information network and possesses a keen sense of the market
significance of world events.
>From Lake Forest College in Illinois, Charles Peabody. Charles has been
a bank analyst since 1981 and is a former II rated analyst in both money
center and regional banks. As an independent in New York, he provides
analysis unencumbered by bureaucracies and corporate pressures.
Out of the undergraduate and graduate schools at Texas Christian
University, David W. Tice. David, both a C.F.A. and C.P.A., manages the
Prudent Bear mutual fund. His Dallas-based research firm advises more
than 150 institutional investors.
Out of Christchurch, New Zealand and the London School of Economics,
Neville Bennett. Neville, a PhD., teaches " Japan and the World Economy
" at the Canterbury Graduate School and writes a column for the
prestigious National Business Review.


In the Cafe you will find tables named after some of the well known
celebrants of the by-gone Paris days. Here, food for thought will be
served via posting forums in which you can present your own opinions and
learn from others about the subjects of most interest to you.

Le Metropole is a Cafe privé in the sense that membership is $149 per
year (when fully opened) or $14 per month. So that you may learn if our
Cafe is for you, we would like to extend to you a "two week free
membership".

Please note: Like a real Cafe, this is a soft opening. We are working
out the kinks before we determine our final macro squad and open the
entire Cafe with "Grande Premiere Mondiale". Therefore, our pre opening
membership price is only $9

Re: [CTRL] THE COLUMBINE MASSACRE CONSPIRACY AND COVERUP IN LITTLETON

[Fransy]

 -Caveat Lector-

I think it is time to link the incredible obvious we discover now to the
incredible to obvious that is shown here!
It is rather long but so intersesting that it requires deep analysis to
get to the links. But I read your in depth litterature and messages and am
confident you'll get the job done in depth.

http://www.wingmakers.com/index2.html

Thanks for yopur insight,

A friend from Belgium,
Frans
-Original Message-
From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On
Behalf Of Kris Millegan
Sent: Thursday, July 22, 1999 5:49 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [CTRL] THE COLUMBINE MASSACRE CONSPIRACY AND COVERUP IN
LITTLETON


 -Caveat Lector-

from:
http://www.cbjd.net/orbit/quinn/new.txt
http://www.cbjd.net/orbit/quinn/new.txt">http://www.cbjd.net/orbit/qui
nn
/new.txt

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THE COLUMBINE MASSACRE
CONSPIRACY AND COVERUP IN LITTLETON

©1999 John A. Quinn/NewsHawk, Inc.
All Rights Reserved
QUINN on Sightings
http://www.cbjd.net/orbit/quinn/end0603.ram
(track to midpoint on Real Audio console)


NATO AT COLUMBINE!
In  what this reporter feels is some of the most bizarre, disturbing,
inexplicable and chilling news yet about the Columbine High School
shooting incident is news that a large NATO truck--possible more than
one--and obviously at least some NATO troops, were reportedly present at
Columbine High School within MINUTES AFTER THE SHOOTING BROKE OUT!

I ws notified by email by a TV viewer who DISTINCTLY recalls seeing the
NATO vehicle while watching local TV station Fox-WFLD in Chicago shortly
after the massacre began. The local station was picking up a live feed
from a CNN chopper in the air above Columbine High School.

We have spoken with a station representative of WFLD and can at least
verify that indeed they WERE broadcasting the feed as stated. WFLD
however apparently has no video record of their own as they were
rebroadcasting CNN's (live) video.

This information is EXTREMELY SIGNIFICANT, powerful evidence of what an
utter lie the entire American populace is living under regarding the
true, fundamental status of our nation, who's actually running it, and
it's very socio/political foundations. This is literally DEVASTATING
news for any of us who still believe we live in some sort of "free,"
sovereign democratic republic.


It has long been postulated, with some very good evidence to back it up,
that the Denver area is one of the primary command, control and support
hangouts for the NEW WORLD ORDER crew. Reams of evidence far to
extensive to go over here give substantial weight to such statements.


This is what was reported regarding what our contact saw while watching
the Columbine tragedy unfold on TV.

..."I saw a NATO bomb squad from a live helicopter shot on TV,: ...it
made me wonder what they were doing there, who were the good guys and
who were the bad?

OK, this is what I saw on FOX WFLD Chicago. They had a live feed coming
from CNN and early on in the transmission they had a aerial view from a
helicopter, at about 12:30 CST. In the parking lot right outside of the
school there was what what looked like a blue moving van and in front of
the truck there was a four foot blue curved shield (looking like a half
of a barrel) with the letters of NATO clearly marked on this armor. Well
the camera did a close up but after only a couple of seconds that feed
was cut.

I am POSITIVE about what I saw on FOX WFLD Chicago within the first hour
of coverage."

ANYONE who recalls seeing this while watching the CNN live camera feed
from a chopper PLEASE contact NewsHawk at once!

NewsHawk has also since received further verification and corroboration
that NATO military personnel were present at Columbine from people who
saw such personnel with NATO body shields on CNN almost IMMEDIATELY
after the massacre began--meaning they may well have been there
ALREADY!!


The following supportive testimony from ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) is indicative
of what we've received.

"To MY AMAZEMENT I saw a dark colored outfitted person with a personal
protection shield walking around and on the top of this shield it said =
N A T O  in white!! I said what in  the hell are they doing there, 15
minutes probably into the scene?? !!! I'm guessing about the time John
because this was MINUTES INTO WHEN THEY STARTED TO COVER IT LIVE (CNN or
FOX)."

(This correlates time-wise with information revealed by my contact in
Chicago watching live CNN footage a NATO vehicle at Columbine.-JQ)

"I was going for NBC and flipped down both CNN and FOX: they're two
channels apart so hard telling."
John Whitney


The presence of NATO personnel and equipment operating ANYWHERE on
American soil is utterly and extraordinarily outrageous; and a complete,
total violation in every possible way of what WE BELIEVE TO BE our
national sovereignty.

Furthermore, aside from these terribly serious implications just noted,
the presence of NATO personnel and equipment at Columbine High so soon
after the shooting began app