[FairfieldLife] Spiritually Bankrupt

[TurquoiseB]

Interesting report. The Catholic Church, while  in public acting
contrite about decades (centuries?) of systematically covered-up abuse,
is in private acting just like the corporation it really is. Churches
with enormous amounts of assets are pre-emptively declaring bankruptcy
so that they can claim that they don't have any money when they get sued
by abuse victims. The good news for the TMO in this is that if they ever
get hit by a swarm of lawsuits they won't have to stoop to lying; they
can legitimately say "We don't have any money...it was all stolen by
Maharishi's relatives" and be telling the truth. Saving Nabby the
trouble of saying it, this once again proves the superiority of
Maharishi's vision over that of mainstream religion. :-)

Text of Dan Rather's article below; video preview of his TV report at
the link:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dan-rather/spiritually-bankrupt_b_629424.h\
tml


Spiritually Bankrupt
by Dan Rather

This is written with a sense of sadness and some mixed feelings.  While
not a member of the Roman Catholic Church, I have great respect  for the
church and its followers.
The church has done and continues to do much good in the world. I've 
seen it among the poor, the downtrodden, and the ill all around the 
globe. But with a team of other investigative reporters, we uncovered 
some things that should be brought to light and pondered.

Earlier this month, Pope Benedict XVI issued the first apology to 
priest abuse victims from St. Peter's Square - a gesture intended to 
show that church leadership is finally ready to confront this growing 
scandal.

But in reporting a recent story, we found that behind the scenes -  and
in court - the church has taken a much less contrite and more 
confrontational position. Our investigation found that in various 
dioceses across the United States, church leaders were going great 
lengths to avoid making amends with the same victims of abuse they 
claimed to be trying to make peace with.

Facing waves of lawsuits by now-adult victims, we found the church  has
reacted more like a big business than a sacred institution: Wealthy 
dioceses have claimed to be broke and taken the drastic act of filing 
for bankruptcy. Only when forced to open their ledgers in bankruptcy 
proceedings does it become clear that several of these dioceses were 
actually flush with assets - cash, real estate, parishes - that it could
have made available to victims seeking restitution.
Take the Diocese of San Diego: In 2007, just before several abuse cases 
were scheduled to begin, it filed for bankruptcy. It sought this 
protection despite owning hundreds of millions of dollars worth of real 
estate - everything from commercial buildings, to open land, to parking 
lots. Only after it became clear that the bankruptcy judge was ready to 
dismiss the diocese's bankruptcy filing did the church seek to settle 
with victims. At the end of the bankruptcy proceedings, the judge, a 
Catholic, scolded the church for being "disingenuous."

In Davenport, Iowa, diocese officials went on a spending spree just 
before it claimed insolvency and filed for bankruptcy in 2006 - spending
that included nearly $20,000 for the very-much-alive bishop's future 
funeral.

In Wilmington, Delaware -- the most recent diocese to file for 
bankruptcy-- church officials have tried to limit liability by claiming 
the property owned by its parishes is separate from its own. It all came
down to a $120 million investment fund administered by the diocese. 
Various diocese entities --including schools, parishes and cemeteries-- 
had invested $75 million in the fund. The diocese argued that that money
should be off-limits to victims' lawsuits. But the bankruptcy judge 
didn't buy it. On June 28, he ruled that all of the money should be up 
for grabs.

We spoke to one of the plaintiffs in Wilmington, Jim Holman, who has a 
unique perspective. Holman was abused by a priest when he was a 
teenager. Now, he's a bankruptcy lawyer who has guided dozens of 
companies through Chapter 11 filings. He's clearly not adverse to the 
concept of bankruptcy -- But he said the church, as a sacred body, 
should be held to a higher standard than the average corporation.

"This, let's preserve every avenue of defense with regard to our  liquid
assets -- you know, it's-- it's an understandable reaction if  you're
dealing with a widget factory," Holman told us. "It's not an 
understandable attitude when you're dealing with this kind of civic 
wound."

While the church hierarchy has finally acknowledged the civic wound  of
sexual abuse by priests, it has preferred to deal it on its own  terms.
And not just in the United States, but around the globe. Just  last
week, authorities in Belgium raided various church buildings,  including
one where a group of the country's top church leaders were  holding a
meeting. Police taking part in "Operation Chalice," as

[FairfieldLife] Re: 800 Votes & Counting. Let's break 1,000! Voting ends July 3

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
>
> From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of nablusoss1008
> Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2010 2:56 PM
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 800 Votes & Counting. Let's break 1,000! Voting
> ends July 3
>  
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
>  , "Rick Archer"  wrote:
> >
> > Dear Friends,
> > 
> > My Oprah audition video is up to 800 votes now. Voting ends July 3. 
> > 
> > I'm leaving town today for the rest of the week, so this is the last
> > reminder to vote that I'll send out. Please take a few seconds to click on
> > the following link and vote. Surprise me with 1,000+ votes when I return!
> 
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > 
> > Rick
> 
> What is this, Rick want's to take the silly nonsense at batgap nationwide ?
> PMS troubles Nabby? Not long ago you were complimenting my interviewing
> skills and recommending that Barry watch one of the shows.


This interview has substance, I would recommend it to anyone, even to the 
Barry-charachter. Would you say the rest are that good?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcKRRnGJPx0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CyxYurZOeI&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UB-ZAIj0NZo&feature=related

[FairfieldLife] Re: Quake in San Francisco

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John"  wrote:
>
> Nabs,
> 
> Thanks for the comforting words.  We'll let you know if the ETs have arrived 
> here during the earthquake.

They are there and protecting you now, in many ways, as we speak. But stopping 
an earthquake is not, as far as I know, one of their priorities. 

[FairfieldLife] Re: a poem post

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jwtrowbridge"  
wrote:
>
> http://hellopoetry.com/poem/i-was-stillness-surrounded-by-thunder/


Very nice. 

I've heard thunder, I've heard the flapping of the wings of the Eagle.

Thank's for posting this !


"How many have seen the Eagle ?"
- Maharishi, Germany, 1982

[FairfieldLife] Question of Eligibility movie on YouTube

[brian64705]

Very good documentary on the Obama birth question
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=a+question+of+eligibility&aq=5

[FairfieldLife] Family of Secrets

[brian64705]

Great expose of the Bush family - connections to JKF, Nixon, and lots more:
http://blip.tv/file/3783571
Author Russ Baker, gives a talk on his book, ; Family of Secrets, an in depth 
examination of the Bush dynasty and America's invisible government, at Borders 
Books in San Francisco, June 15, 2010.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Krishna Gauci: "This world is a horror show"

[yifuxero]

thx, Pema Chodron actually made the network news last Sunday CBS or NBC - I 
forgot which.  This type of "how to manage your emotions" Buddhism doesn't 
appeal to me.  Her message seems to be: if you have a negative emotion, embrace 
it somehow.  Those New-Age types of approaches never worked for me but some 
people are into it. 

I'm mainly into (besides regular mediation); karma busting techniques I've 
learned from Lama Zopa.

Willytex, I object to your lumping all of the various people together in the 
same demographic group with Lama Zopa.  As stated before, he offers a whole 
spectrum of Buddhist chants encompassing the pure Wisdom approach to emptiness; 
along with mantras designed to offset suffering due to every conceivable 
material cause.

Judging by his books, Facebook and Twitter pages, he spends a lot of time 
personally answering questions put to him by almost anybody.
A typical inquiry might come (for example) from somebody stuck in a prison, 
asking how to protect himself.  Being very skillful in "expedient means", 
naturally, the Lama will prescribe a mantric remedy appropriate to that 
particular person's problem.
...
Most of the Neo-Advaitins otoh, simply say "Being" for everything. That goes 
for Chopra.
...
Willytex, you simply are not "listening".  I have two of Karunamayi's audios: 
Gayatri and Mahamritunjaya mantras.  Generally speaking, the Neo-Advaitins are 
NOT into mantras and the chanting thereof.
...
Therefore, you're placement of Karunamayi into the same basket of Neo-Advaitic 
characters shows evidence of some innate disturbance in your mind; the nature 
of which escapes me at the moment, as to the cause.  

-- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "WillyTex"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> Another 'satsang' type. A Neo-Advaitin, just like 
> Amma, Nisargadatta, Balsekar, and the Awake Downers.
> Throw in a little Zopa and some Pema Chodron.
> 
> yifuxero:
> > from http://www.krishnasatsang.com
> >
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Krishna Gauci

[Bhairitu]

And we get to see if M. Night can make a good movie since we've been 
waiting for one from him since "The Sixth Sense":
http://www.thelastairbendermovie.com/


yifuxero wrote:
> thx, I'll have to wait until the Weekend, can't get it on this computer.  The 
> cybernet place is right near the Horton Plaza theater.
>
>   Let's seewhat's out this weekend?  Another Twilight, 3-rd and last I 
> suppose.  Could involve an allience between the good vampires and the 
> werewolves, against the rampaging bad vampires.  That's my guess, along with 
> the usual love triangle: Lautner werewolf vs Pattison vamp vying for the 
> Babe's affections. 
> Has very nice scenes of wherever it's filmed: Washington, possibly Vancouver 
> also.
> ...
> INCEPTION with Leonardo DiCaprio should be coming out soon.  Looks like a 
> Philip Dick theme: Man enters into the dream world in order to change the 
> outcome of physical reality.  Previews have mind-blowing cinematography.
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" 
>  wrote:
>   
>> You might enjoy this clip of him doing a Buddhist chant at a satsang in FF 
>> some years ago:
>>
>> http://alex.natel.net/misc/krishna_chanting.m4v
>>
>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "yifuxero"  wrote:
>> 
>>> Definitely a smart fellow...I like him already. From his website, 
>>> http://www.krishnasatsang.com  (I believe, or something like that).
>>> Here's the quote:
>>>
>>> "The third living current is my relationship to the Buddhist Tradition. 
>>> While I am by no stretch a master of Buddhism, I have been engaged in 
>>> Buddhist meditation, mantra and devotional practices for the past 23 years. 
>>> Using the essence of my own experience, the richness of this tradition is 
>>> something that affects all that I do with people. Practicing Meditation, 
>>> understanding emptiness and the cultivation of compassion is something that 
>>> is useful for anyone in spiritual life"
>>>
>>>   
>
>
>
>   

Re: [FairfieldLife] OT: how to set default.mime parts on_demand in thunderbird?

[Bhairitu]

It's just a ride wrote:
> In windows.
>
>   
Google is your friend:
http://kb.mozillazine.org/Plain_text_e-mail_(Thunderbird)

I'm assuming you want to change the default email from HTML to plain text?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Krishna Gauci

[yifuxero]

thx, I'll have to wait until the Weekend, can't get it on this computer.  The 
cybernet place is right near the Horton Plaza theater.

  Let's seewhat's out this weekend?  Another Twilight, 3-rd and last I 
suppose.  Could involve an allience between the good vampires and the 
werewolves, against the rampaging bad vampires.  That's my guess, along with 
the usual love triangle: Lautner werewolf vs Pattison vamp vying for the Babe's 
affections. 
Has very nice scenes of wherever it's filmed: Washington, possibly Vancouver 
also.
...
INCEPTION with Leonardo DiCaprio should be coming out soon.  Looks like a 
Philip Dick theme: Man enters into the dream world in order to change the 
outcome of physical reality.  Previews have mind-blowing cinematography.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"  
wrote:
>
> You might enjoy this clip of him doing a Buddhist chant at a satsang in FF 
> some years ago:
> 
> http://alex.natel.net/misc/krishna_chanting.m4v
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "yifuxero"  wrote:
> >
> > Definitely a smart fellow...I like him already. From his website, 
> > http://www.krishnasatsang.com  (I believe, or something like that).
> > Here's the quote:
> > 
> > "The third living current is my relationship to the Buddhist Tradition. 
> > While I am by no stretch a master of Buddhism, I have been engaged in 
> > Buddhist meditation, mantra and devotional practices for the past 23 years. 
> > Using the essence of my own experience, the richness of this tradition is 
> > something that affects all that I do with people. Practicing Meditation, 
> > understanding emptiness and the cultivation of compassion is something that 
> > is useful for anyone in spiritual life"
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Krishna Gauci: "This world is a horror show"

[WillyTex]

Another 'satsang' type. A Neo-Advaitin, just like 
Amma, Nisargadatta, Balsekar, and the Awake Downers.
Throw in a little Zopa and some Pema Chodron.

yifuxero:
> from http://www.krishnasatsang.com
> 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Krishna Gauci

[Alex Stanley]

You might enjoy this clip of him doing a Buddhist chant at a satsang in FF some 
years ago:

http://alex.natel.net/misc/krishna_chanting.m4v

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "yifuxero"  wrote:
>
> Definitely a smart fellow...I like him already. From his website, 
> http://www.krishnasatsang.com  (I believe, or something like that).
> Here's the quote:
> 
> "The third living current is my relationship to the Buddhist Tradition. While 
> I am by no stretch a master of Buddhism, I have been engaged in Buddhist 
> meditation, mantra and devotional practices for the past 23 years. Using the 
> essence of my own experience, the richness of this tradition is something 
> that affects all that I do with people. Practicing Meditation, understanding 
> emptiness and the cultivation of compassion is something that is useful for 
> anyone in spiritual life"
>

[FairfieldLife] Krishna Gauci: "This world is a horror show"

[yifuxero]

from http://www.krishnasatsang.com

"This world is a horror show, a nightmare. If our entire sense of identity 
comes solely from identification with our body and personality, fully showing 
up for this life would drive us insane. Those who appear to be sane and live in 
this world without realizing emptiness are living to some degree in a 
disassociated state, they are not altogether in their bodies or hearts. Being 
not-quite-here is totally understandable because it would be incredibly painful 
if you thought you were just a body/mind personality. It's painful enough for 
those who are awakened. In fact the deeper our experience of being Free 
Consciousness, the deeper is the potential for embracing this life of limits. 
Otherwise we don't have the room in ourselves to hold our total experience. "

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[FairfieldLife] Krishna Gauci

[yifuxero]

Definitely a smart fellow...I like him already. From his website, 
http://www.krishnasatsang.com  (I believe, or something like that).
Here's the quote:

"The third living current is my relationship to the Buddhist Tradition. While I 
am by no stretch a master of Buddhism, I have been engaged in Buddhist 
meditation, mantra and devotional practices for the past 23 years. Using the 
essence of my own experience, the richness of this tradition is something that 
affects all that I do with people. Practicing Meditation, understanding 
emptiness and the cultivation of compassion is something that is useful for 
anyone in spiritual life"

[FairfieldLife] Re: OT: how to set default.mime parts on_demand in thunderbird?

[Alex Stanley]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "It's just a ride" 
 wrote:
>
> In windows.

Whatever the heck that is, it sounds like something that would be done in: 

Tools | Options | Advanced | Config Editor

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Neo-Advaita disease - Satsangus teacheritis

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
> >
 Sorry. I don't get it. Perhaps if you define "simly closely".
> 
> 


Add a p; it's as simple as that for most people, but obviously not for you. 

Do you really want to be on Ophrah with this batgap nonsense ?
 
Your foolishess knows no bounds.

[FairfieldLife] OT: how to set default.mime parts on_demand in thunderbird?

[It's just a ride]

In windows.

-- 
If wishes were fishes,
I would be tuna in a can
my good luck left and ran
it was stolen by the man
stick it to the man
lock him in a van
crash it in the sand
luck will return to my command
a pebble in my hand

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Neo-Advaita disease - Satsangus teacheritis

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
>
> From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of nablusoss1008
> Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2010 3:13 PM
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Neo-Advaita disease - Satsangus teacheritis
>  
>   
> > > Since BATGAP has a strong Waking Down presence, and you're interested in
> > dealing with neo-advaita, you might consider interviewing Krishna Gauci,
> who
> > was a teacher in the Papaji lineage before getting involved with Waking
> > Down, having his Waking Down brand Second Birth Awakening, and ultimately
> > becoming a Waking Down teacher.
> > 
> > In other words chaos. 
> > 
> > The contribution of Rick Archer to this modern age.
> > I'm not a Waking Down person, but I have a lot of respect for friends and
> > acquaintances who are. Since you sound like you have a lot of familiarity
> > with that group, Nabby, please tell us why you would characterize them as
> > chaotic.
> 
> Simly closely read the post above and you'll see why it is chaotic.
> Sorry. I don't get it. Perhaps if you define "simly closely".


Add a p, it's as simple a that for most people. 
Rick, do you really want to be on Ophrah with this batgap nonsense ?

Ofcourse you do since you'r a fool.

[FairfieldLife] Sorry. One More.

[Rick Archer]

A friend reminded me to remind everyone that it's possible to vote daily (or
ever several times a day) until July 3. 
 
 

http://myown.oprah.com/audition/index.html?request=video_details&response_id
=6818&promo_id=1
 
Here's a short version of the above link, in case that one is broken in your
email: http://tinyurl.com/35hfeyt
 
Thanks,
 
Rick

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: 800 Votes & Counting. Let's break 1,000! Voting ends July 3

[Rick Archer]

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of nablusoss1008
Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2010 2:56 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 800 Votes & Counting. Let's break 1,000! Voting
ends July 3
 
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 , "Rick Archer"  wrote:
>
> Dear Friends,
> 
> My Oprah audition video is up to 800 votes now. Voting ends July 3. 
> 
> I'm leaving town today for the rest of the week, so this is the last
> reminder to vote that I'll send out. Please take a few seconds to click on
> the following link and vote. Surprise me with 1,000+ votes when I return!

> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Rick

What is this, Rick want's to take the silly nonsense at batgap nationwide ?
PMS troubles Nabby? Not long ago you were complimenting my interviewing
skills and recommending that Barry watch one of the shows.

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Neo-Advaita disease - Satsangus teacheritis

[Rick Archer]

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of nablusoss1008
Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2010 3:13 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Neo-Advaita disease - Satsangus teacheritis
 
  
> > Since BATGAP has a strong Waking Down presence, and you're interested in
> dealing with neo-advaita, you might consider interviewing Krishna Gauci,
who
> was a teacher in the Papaji lineage before getting involved with Waking
> Down, having his Waking Down brand Second Birth Awakening, and ultimately
> becoming a Waking Down teacher.
> 
> In other words chaos. 
> 
> The contribution of Rick Archer to this modern age.
> I'm not a Waking Down person, but I have a lot of respect for friends and
> acquaintances who are. Since you sound like you have a lot of familiarity
> with that group, Nabby, please tell us why you would characterize them as
> chaotic.

Simly closely read the post above and you'll see why it is chaotic.
Sorry. I don't get it. Perhaps if you define "simly closely".

[FairfieldLife] Re: Quake in San Francisco

[John]

Nabs,

Thanks for the comforting words.  We'll let you know if the ETs have arrived 
here during the earthquake.



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John"  wrote:
> >
> > Not to worry, we're still alive and well in the city by the bay.  A jolt 
> > woke me up early this morning.  But it was not THE big one.
> 
> 
> Relax, it will come :-)
> 
> > 
> > http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/06/29/BAH41E664Q.DTL
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Quake in San Francisco

[John]

Nice thought to sleep with.  During the Loma Prieta quake, I was in Seattle 
watching the baseball game when it was rudely interrupted by the quake.  My 
father, who was alive then, said that the whole house shook for about a minute.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>
> John wrote:
> > Not to worry, we're still alive and well in the city by the bay.  A jolt 
> > woke me up early this morning.  But it was not THE big one.
> >
> > http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/06/29/BAH41E664Q.DTL
> >
> >
> >   
> For some reason I have a feeling the "big one" isn't going to happen for 
> another 30 years.  Of course we'll still have little jolts and maybe 
> some 5.x but nothing in comparison with Loma Prieta nor the 1906 quake.  
> The one they are most worried about is the Hayward fault.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Neo-Advaita disease - Satsangus teacheritis

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
>
> From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of nablusoss1008
> Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2010 2:37 PM
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Neo-Advaita disease - Satsangus teacheritis
>  
>   
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
>  , "Alex Stanley"
>  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
>  , "Rick Archer"  wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > Yifu Xero, this is good stuff. If you have the time and the
> > > inclination, I'd appreciate it if you'd listen to some of my
> > > recent interviews on htt://batgap.com - perhaps Ted Strauss,
> > > James Swartz, and James Braha - particularly the latter two - 
> > > and see if you can offer me any advice in how do deal with this
> > > neo-Advaita issue. 
> > 
> > Since BATGAP has a strong Waking Down presence, and you're interested in
> dealing with neo-advaita, you might consider interviewing Krishna Gauci, who
> was a teacher in the Papaji lineage before getting involved with Waking
> Down, having his Waking Down brand Second Birth Awakening, and ultimately
> becoming a Waking Down teacher.
> 
> In other words chaos. 
> 
> The contribution of Rick Archer to this modern age.
> I'm not a Waking Down person, but I have a lot of respect for friends and
> acquaintances who are. Since you sound like you have a lot of familiarity
> with that group, Nabby, please tell us why you would characterize them as
> chaotic.


Simly closely read the post above and you'll see why it is chaotic.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Neo-Advaita disease - Satsangus teacheritis

[WillyTex]

> In other words chaos. 
> 
Rick Archer:
> please tell us why you would characterize them as
> chaotic.
>
Because they are Neo-Advaitans like Amma, Poonja, 
Nisargadatta, and Balsekar?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Naomi Klein on the G20 Summit

[WillyTex]

> "Sticking the public with the bill for the bankers' crisis
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: 800 Votes & Counting. Let's break 1,000! Voting ends July 3

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
>
> Dear Friends,
>  
> My Oprah audition video is up to 800 votes now. Voting ends July 3. 
>  
> I'm leaving town today for the rest of the week, so this is the last
> reminder to vote that I'll send out. Please take a few seconds to click on
> the following link and vote. Surprise me with 1,000+ votes when I return!

>  
> Thanks,
>  
> Rick

What is this, Rick want's to take the silly nonsense at batgap nationwide ?

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Neo-Advaita disease - Satsangus teacheritis

[Rick Archer]

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of nablusoss1008
Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2010 2:37 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Neo-Advaita disease - Satsangus teacheritis
 
  


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 , "Alex Stanley"
 wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 , "Rick Archer"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > Yifu Xero, this is good stuff. If you have the time and the
> > inclination, I'd appreciate it if you'd listen to some of my
> > recent interviews on htt://batgap.com - perhaps Ted Strauss,
> > James Swartz, and James Braha - particularly the latter two - 
> > and see if you can offer me any advice in how do deal with this
> > neo-Advaita issue. 
> 
> Since BATGAP has a strong Waking Down presence, and you're interested in
dealing with neo-advaita, you might consider interviewing Krishna Gauci, who
was a teacher in the Papaji lineage before getting involved with Waking
Down, having his Waking Down brand Second Birth Awakening, and ultimately
becoming a Waking Down teacher.

In other words chaos. 

The contribution of Rick Archer to this modern age.
I'm not a Waking Down person, but I have a lot of respect for friends and
acquaintances who are. Since you sound like you have a lot of familiarity
with that group, Nabby, please tell us why you would characterize them as
chaotic.

[FairfieldLife] 800 Votes & Counting. Let's break 1,000! Voting ends July 3

[Rick Archer]

Dear Friends,
 
My Oprah audition video is up to 800 votes now. Voting ends July 3. 
 
I'm leaving town today for the rest of the week, so this is the last
reminder to vote that I'll send out. Please take a few seconds to click on
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Quake in San Francisco

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John"  wrote:
>
> Not to worry, we're still alive and well in the city by the bay.  A jolt woke 
> me up early this morning.  But it was not THE big one.


Relax, it will come :-)

> 
> http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/06/29/BAH41E664Q.DTL
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Quake in San Francisco

[Bhairitu]

John wrote:
> Not to worry, we're still alive and well in the city by the bay.  A jolt woke 
> me up early this morning.  But it was not THE big one.
>
> http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/06/29/BAH41E664Q.DTL
>
>
>   
For some reason I have a feeling the "big one" isn't going to happen for 
another 30 years.  Of course we'll still have little jolts and maybe 
some 5.x but nothing in comparison with Loma Prieta nor the 1906 quake.  
The one they are most worried about is the Hayward fault.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Neo-Advaita disease - Satsangus teacheritis

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"  
wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > Yifu Xero, this is good stuff. If you have the time and the
> > inclination, I'd appreciate it if you'd listen to some of my
> > recent interviews on htt://batgap.com - perhaps Ted Strauss,
> > James Swartz, and James Braha - particularly the latter two - 
> > and see if you can offer me any advice in how do deal with this
> > neo-Advaita issue. 
> 
> Since BATGAP has a strong Waking Down presence, and you're interested in 
> dealing with neo-advaita, you might consider interviewing Krishna Gauci, who 
> was a teacher in the Papaji lineage before getting involved with Waking Down, 
> having his Waking Down brand Second Birth Awakening, and ultimately becoming 
> a Waking Down teacher.


In other words chaos. 

The contribution of Rick Archer to this modern age.

[FairfieldLife] Interesting report on the Icelandic financial crisis

[Bhairitu]

Very well done and explains their situation well and why it could (or 
is) happening here.  Let the banksters eat cake (or piles of worthless 
dollars).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ziWPPMdlqs

[FairfieldLife] Naomi Klein on the G20 Summit

[Bhairitu]

 From the Globe and Mail:

"Sticking the public with the bill for the bankers’ crisis

My city feels like a crime scene and the criminals are all melting into 
the night, fleeing the scene. No, I’m not talking about the kids in 
black who smashed windows and burned cop cars on Saturday.

I’m talking about the heads of state who, on Sunday night, smashed 
social safety nets and burned good jobs in the middle of a recession. 
Faced with the effects of a crisis created by the world’s wealthiest and 
most privileged strata, they decided to stick the poorest and most 
vulnerable people in their countries with the bill. "

More here:

*http://tinyurl.com/2esuuu6

*




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[FairfieldLife] a poem post

[jwtrowbridge]

http://hellopoetry.com/poem/i-was-stillness-surrounded-by-thunder/

[FairfieldLife] Re: No one starting TM or "Dome-ing"? Rewrite the sales brochure.

[Duveyoung]

This was in Taiwan in 1995ish.  Saw cops drag a vendor's wheeled cart out of a 
vendor's informal market in an alley -- presumably because the vendor hadn't 
paid some bribe to be there.  They violently threw the cart such that all the 
food stuffs etc. we strewn into the middle of a high traffic street and the 
vendor flung HARD on his ass being yelled at by the cops to leave.  No arrest 
-- just a normal bonking.  The soldiers were posted every mile on the major 
end-to-end-of-Taiwan highway that could be used for a landing by an airplane 
full of Red Army invaders.  Any official buidling had soldiers posted outside.  
Don't know if any of this still is happening there.  

In Indonesia, I had to have an Army General's approval to negotiate with a 
factory owner to produce a productand that was the norm there.

Last time I was in Spain, I had more than one encounter with what can only be 
called "rape entitlement" -- meaning, if a woman's not escorted she can be hit 
on with any arbitrary amount of urgency, and even if she's "attended," they'll 
hit on her.  I've never seen such strutting roosters enflamed with empowerment 
as I saw in Spainthough a few guys in Italy tried hard enough to match it.  
Barry seems well placed actually, heh, irony, eh?  

I'll take Cleveland over Spain for raising a family.  

Not that everywhere doesn't have the most precious souls that melt your heart 
instantly, but even then I tarry.  I made friends with a Iranian family once.  
Man they had a good vibe.  Our kids played with their kids, so they invited us 
over for dinner and chat -- and I ended up having to fend them  off from trying 
to get us to smoke opium and wife-swap -- ya just never know.

Edg

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Joe"  wrote:
>
> 
> Edg, what part of Taiwan were you in? I go to Taipei 2 or 3 times a year and 
> I've never seen the police presence you mention.
> 
> The same goes for Vietnam and China where again, I visit several times a 
> year. It was also true of Thailand until the recent major "Red shirt/Blue 
> Shirt" disturbances. Such a sad time for that wonderful country. You have the 
> much beloved King who is about to die, his heir, a fellow who is most often 
> described as a "lazy playboy' who no one appears to respect, and now this 
> internal conflict. Everyone hopes this doesn't turn into a civil war but the 
> signs are certainly not good.
> 
> Jakarta Indonesia is a well known mess and not a nice place at all to visit. 
> Never has been from what I've heard.
> 
> I remember well the shock I experienced on my first visit to China 8 years 
> ago. I expected to see a very regimented Communist society with military 
> everywhere. Instead I saw what appeared to be out of control wild west 
> capitalism and very little police or military presence. Not that they weren't 
> there at all, but I see more cops on an average day in LA than I ever saw in 
> China, or for that matter, any of my visits to Taiwan.
> 
> Point is, traveling frequently is the only way to really get beyond the US 
> media formed impression of life outside the USA. Most Americans have only the 
> vaguest idea of anything happening in other parts of the world. It's all 
> "over there" to most people.
> 
> I spent two weeks in Sitges Spain, where Barry now lives, back in 2003. I 
> could easily adapt to the Catalonian lifestyle of this area of the Spanish 
> coast. Lovely people, great food, fantastic arts scene. 
> 
> I like where I am now on the CA coast very much. But, if the choice was 
> Cleveland or Sitges I'd make that switch in a heartbeat!
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung  wrote:
> >
> > Been around the world.  Seventeen countries. A total of six months in Asia 
> > via three trips. Year in Europe.  Lived for a year or more in California, 
> > Wisconsin, Iowa, Michigan, New York, Georgia, Florida and traveled in 40 
> > states of America. and I was watching my pennies the whole time, so 
> > it's not like I was high-hatting it as an ugly American abroad or living 
> > the posh life here.  Walked and walked and walked the local neighborhoods 
> > and markets everywhere.  Learned a couple hundred words in each of many 
> > languages, lived in folks' homes, ate their food, worshiped with them in 
> > Buddhist temples and in the churches of Europe, and I've closed my eyes to 
> > meditate in public in diners and bus stations and on park benches and even 
> > in a tent next to a lake a mile from Maharishi in Seelisberg while 
> > surrounded by a herd of cows who seemed to like what I was, um, not-doing.  
> > 
> > I don't have an especial tee shirt for all the above, but one thing I did 
> > get out of it was that America is THE PLACE for personal freedoms of the 
> > sort that is missing in virtually every country.  
> > 
> > While in Spain, I authored and published a small book and I had to get 
> > permission (forms filled out and stamps purchased and samples given to some 
> > 

[FairfieldLife] Quake in San Francisco

[John]

Not to worry, we're still alive and well in the city by the bay.  A jolt woke 
me up early this morning.  But it was not THE big one.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/06/29/BAH41E664Q.DTL

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No sex in space? Yeah, right.

[Bhairitu]

Duveyoung wrote:
> I'm a member of the mile high club, but geeze, an airplane's bathroom is not 
> your ideal chamber of delight.  How much less so in space with six type A 
> geniuses at one's elbows?
>
>   

Then you don't know type A geniuses who are more prone to sexual 
exploration because they love to "throw the rules out the window."  And 
I do know some TM folks who were into "swinging" clubs (and I'm not 
talking about baseball bats).

> Compared to a private bed, propinquity sex in space has to be but a furtive 
> affair at best and a joke relative to any sexuality based on a relationship 
> with another's mind instead of their being temporarily in a unique "love 
> nest."  
>
> "Hey, Babe, you're here, I'm here, can I squirt yer guts on our ten minute 
> break?" -- seems tawdry.  
>
> But if they send up pairs that are already bonded or exploring having a 
> lifelong relationship, I'm all for sex in space.  Sex is for grownups not 
> high-ups, but in space, given the costs, I'd say it'll be awhile before a 
> lengthy tantric love session is recreationally allowed above 100 miles.
>   

Though tantra isn't about sex there are some techniques involving it 
(and what the rubes want to learn not the rest of the stuff).  I seem to 
recall ABC had a summer series last year that was sort of "Desperate 
Housewives" in space and about these very issues about sex in space.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Neo-Advaita disease - Satsangus teacheritis

[yifuxero]

To begin with, (just my take) in "ignorance" of the Self, people are concerned 
with projections onto the blank screen of Being without knowledge (Gnosis) of 
Being.
  
In Neo-Advaita, they have a blank screen but the projections (story) are 
supposedly reduced to non-importance or worse yet, non-existence and denial.  
But (imo), this is only a transitional zone in which people may (if they don't 
fall into the last snare of Maya - which is that Nothingness is the only 
reality worth considering); that their blank HOLODECK (the blank arena in Star 
Trek where programs project an artificial reality into the room) can be 
repopulated with various images; thus:

Ramakrishna - continues with his devotion to Kali
Ramana Maharshi - continues with his devotion to Arunachala Shiva
...
These types of devotional projections or "stories" would be disallowed in 
Neo-Advaita.
...
But the mistaken notion that one cannot have a story is a Neo-Advaitic Urban 
Myth, probably started by HWL Poonja.

...
As long as people are embodied, they have stories. 


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"  
wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > Yifu Xero, this is good stuff. If you have the time and the
> > inclination, I'd appreciate it if you'd listen to some of my
> > recent interviews on htt://batgap.com - perhaps Ted Strauss,
> > James Swartz, and James Braha - particularly the latter two - 
> > and see if you can offer me any advice in how do deal with this
> > neo-Advaita issue. 
> 
> Since BATGAP has a strong Waking Down presence, and you're interested in 
> dealing with neo-advaita, you might consider interviewing Krishna Gauci, who 
> was a teacher in the Papaji lineage before getting involved with Waking Down, 
> having his Waking Down brand Second Birth Awakening, and ultimately becoming 
> a Waking Down teacher.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Neo-Advaita disease - Satsangus teacheritis

[yifuxero]

No. You're confusing the issues.  Advaita is a state, if one wants to use the 
word "state"; at least, lt's a Realization.
Neo-Advaita is a projection into the world, a teaching strategy, filled with 
fallacies, idiosynchronies, and urban Myths; based on various precedents such 
as Papaji, all designed to artificially elevate one's position as a grand 
Teacher while demeaning the student.

Amma has none of the attributes listed in the website.
Neo-Advaita is a collection of projections of teaching methods and statements, 
coupled with various demeanors.
Typical example:
... 
Student: "I was diagnosed with cancer and am going to die in one month".
Neo-Advaitin teacher: "So,.this is your oryyy."
...
The word "story" has to be long and drawn out, as if one could fit a whole 
personal history in the space between s and y from birth to death.
But the Neo-Advaitic teacher supposedly has no Story.(???)
...
Karumamayi never demeans people in such a way.  
She's Self-Realized and therefore an Advaitin, but not a "Neo" or "Pseudo" 
Advaitin.
...
AGain, check out the website. 


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "WillyTex"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> > Writing about these satsang conceits was inspired 
> > by several years of close observation of the 
> > zoological type satsangus teacheritis
> >
> Rick Archer:
> > ...you can offer me any advice in how do deal
> > with this neo-Advaita issue.
> >
> Apparently Amma is a Neo-Advaitin, you could start 
> there, Rick. 
> 
> "Jivanmukti is not something to be attained after 
> death, nor is it to be experienced or bestowed upon 
> you in another world. It is a state of perfect 
> awareness and equanimity, which can be experienced 
> here and now in this world, while living in the 
> body." - Amma
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Seeing the Saints

[yifuxero]

No. Lama is only a philosophical Advaitin; far from being a Neo-Advaitin 
defined and described in the website.  Let me explain: among the many Rinpoches 
one can find, Lama Zopa Rinpoche is in a certain type of demographic group 
which seamlessly merges
  
a. emptiness teachings (such as his DVD "ATomic Bomb Against Ignorance") - 
which can be termed a Wisdom teaching, with

b. Karma busting techniques - such as the chanting of the Sanghata Sutra 
Dharma; which I listen to every day, and

c. Other types of karma busting or material enhancement techniques such as 
those involved with prayers to the Medicine Master Buddha, and Green Tara.  
Devotion to the Green Tara covers virtually every possible countermeasure 
against both Spiritual and material faults, including the potential to 
eradicate diseases, poverty, fix oil spills, etc.
...
Thus, only in philosophical theory does Lama Zopa separate out the Wisdom 
teachings from a whole, complete spectrum of mantras designed to eradicate our 
shortcomings in the material world.
...
This approach is very distinct from the Neo-Advaitins, who only go around 
saying "Being, Being, Being...".
...
I recommend that you actually get into Lama Zopa's practices. 


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "WillyTex"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> yifuxero:
> > Try Buddhism. I recommend Lama Zopa...
> > 
> You seem to be getting confused - Lama Zopa
> is teaching Neo-Advaita! Everyone knows that
> Zopa believes that we are all 'Buddhas' from 
> birth. According to Mahayana Buddhism, we all
> possess the Buddha Nature. You are already
> enlightened - all you have to do is Awaken!
> 
> "He then revealed the teachings of the Four 
> Noble Truths—that show the path to liberation, 
> the Paramitayana path—that shows the path to 
> full enlightenment, and the tantric path 
> which brings enlightenment very quickly—even 
> in one lifetime..." - Lama Zopa
> 
> http://tinyurl.com/2dg2srk
>

[FairfieldLife] G20 Canada photos June 2010

[ditzyklanmail]

http://whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/G20/Picture%20074.html

There are some really great photos in this bunch during the G20 in Canada!

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Neo-Advaita disease - Satsangus teacheritis

[Rick Archer]

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Alex Stanley
Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2010 1:00 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Neo-Advaita disease - Satsangus teacheritis
 
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 , "Rick Archer"  wrote:
>
> 
> Yifu Xero, this is good stuff. If you have the time and the
> inclination, I'd appreciate it if you'd listen to some of my
> recent interviews on htt://batgap.com - perhaps Ted Strauss,
> James Swartz, and James Braha - particularly the latter two - 
> and see if you can offer me any advice in how do deal with this
> neo-Advaita issue. 

Since BATGAP has a strong Waking Down presence, and you're interested in
dealing with neo-advaita, you might consider interviewing Krishna Gauci, who
was a teacher in the Papaji lineage before getting involved with Waking
Down, having his Waking Down brand Second Birth Awakening, and ultimately
becoming a Waking Down teacher.
Thanks, I added him to the list. You're still on that list, BTW, with a sort
of back burner status. Let me know if you ever want to move to the front
burner.

[FairfieldLife] Re: No sex in space? Yeah, right.

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung  wrote:
> >
> > I'm a member of the mile high club, but geeze, an airplane's 
> > bathroom is not your ideal chamber of delight. How much less 
> > so in space with six type A geniuses at one's elbows?
> > 
> > Compared to a private bed, propinquity sex in space has to 
> > be but a furtive affair at best and a joke relative to any 
> > sexuality based on a relationship with another's mind instead 
> > of their being temporarily in a unique "love nest."  
> > 
> > "Hey, Babe, you're here, I'm here, can I squirt yer guts on 
> > our ten minute break?" -- seems tawdry.  
> 
> Could be that the "tawdry" is projected by you, 
> Edg, and not necessarily a part of the actual 
> situation. 
> 
> For example, I'm a member of the mile high club, 
> too, but we did it in the main cabin, surrounded
> by other passengers (most of whom were admittedly 
> asleep). We wound up having a three-seat row for
> the two of us, no fixed dividers between the seats,
> and they'd passed out blankets to everyone, so we 
> were under the blankets. 
> 
> And the kicker? This was on a charter flight to
> Europe, and the woman (ten years older than me,
> so you don't have to get your "predator" dander
> up) and I were on our way to our respective six-
> month TM sidhi courses. Everyone on the plane 
> was on the way there. 
> 
> We talked about it years later, and both agreed
> that it had been one of the best sexual exper-
> iences of our lives. We knew each other well,
> had been there done that with the relationship
> thing but remained good friends, and both were 
> on our ways to six months of enforced celibacy, 
> the women in one town, the men in another. It 
> was just the obvious thing to do, it was fun, 
> and it hurt no one. The lady and I remained 
> close for many years after that, though we
> were never lovers again. 
> 
> So tell us, Mr. Arbiter Of Things Tantrically
> Sattvic, was that "tawdry?" 

Oh, yeah, another thing about Barry--he's prone to
responding to posts without having actually read
more than a keyword or two, believing his vastly
superior intelligence combined with his highly
developed psychic powers enable him to comprehend
several entire paragraphs. In this case the keywords
he spotted in Edg's post were "mile-high club" and
"tawdry." "Aha," he thought, "an opportunity for
a putdown!"

He missed everything else, as usual, and expended
considerable effort composing what ended up being a
total non sequitur. As usual.

[FairfieldLife] Re: No one starting TM or "Dome-ing"? Rewrite the sales brochure.

[Joe]

Edg, what part of Taiwan were you in? I go to Taipei 2 or 3 times a year and 
I've never seen the police presence you mention.

The same goes for Vietnam and China where again, I visit several times a year. 
It was also true of Thailand until the recent major "Red shirt/Blue Shirt" 
disturbances. Such a sad time for that wonderful country. You have the much 
beloved King who is about to die, his heir, a fellow who is most often 
described as a "lazy playboy' who no one appears to respect, and now this 
internal conflict. Everyone hopes this doesn't turn into a civil war but the 
signs are certainly not good.

Jakarta Indonesia is a well known mess and not a nice place at all to visit. 
Never has been from what I've heard.

I remember well the shock I experienced on my first visit to China 8 years ago. 
I expected to see a very regimented Communist society with military everywhere. 
Instead I saw what appeared to be out of control wild west capitalism and very 
little police or military presence. Not that they weren't there at all, but I 
see more cops on an average day in LA than I ever saw in China, or for that 
matter, any of my visits to Taiwan.

Point is, traveling frequently is the only way to really get beyond the US 
media formed impression of life outside the USA. Most Americans have only the 
vaguest idea of anything happening in other parts of the world. It's all "over 
there" to most people.

I spent two weeks in Sitges Spain, where Barry now lives, back in 2003. I could 
easily adapt to the Catalonian lifestyle of this area of the Spanish coast. 
Lovely people, great food, fantastic arts scene. 

I like where I am now on the CA coast very much. But, if the choice was 
Cleveland or Sitges I'd make that switch in a heartbeat!

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung  wrote:
>
> Been around the world.  Seventeen countries. A total of six months in Asia 
> via three trips. Year in Europe.  Lived for a year or more in California, 
> Wisconsin, Iowa, Michigan, New York, Georgia, Florida and traveled in 40 
> states of America. and I was watching my pennies the whole time, so it's 
> not like I was high-hatting it as an ugly American abroad or living the posh 
> life here.  Walked and walked and walked the local neighborhoods and markets 
> everywhere.  Learned a couple hundred words in each of many languages, lived 
> in folks' homes, ate their food, worshiped with them in Buddhist temples and 
> in the churches of Europe, and I've closed my eyes to meditate in public in 
> diners and bus stations and on park benches and even in a tent next to a lake 
> a mile from Maharishi in Seelisberg while surrounded by a herd of cows who 
> seemed to like what I was, um, not-doing.  
> 
> I don't have an especial tee shirt for all the above, but one thing I did get 
> out of it was that America is THE PLACE for personal freedoms of the sort 
> that is missing in virtually every country.  
> 
> While in Spain, I authored and published a small book and I had to get 
> permission (forms filled out and stamps purchased and samples given to some 
> "decider" from the government) to authorize my printer to do the job for me.  
> I dared not criticize Spain, see?  
> 
> In Taiwan, I saw the cops beating up the vendors and soldiers on guard every 
> mile of every major highway.  
> 
> In Indonesia I traveled along a road for miles and miles with hundreds of 
> thousands of people living on the roadsides in huts next to a canal that was 
> both toilet and drinking water.  I saw families living their whole lives on a 
> patch of sidewalk where they "owned" about six parking spots and would watch 
> your car for you while you parked it there -- for fifteen cents a day.  
> There's dirt roads in downtown Jakarta.  I saw grown men hunched over fencing 
> wires all in a heap -- pounding the wires straight so that they could be 
> resold.  I saw ten year old girls selling flowers in the middle of traffic.  
> Barbershops are places where you get a hand job in Asia, and every wife is 
> expected to accept this.  
> 
> And on and on I can list the tragedies and twisted allowances of each culture 
> that are seen, yes, in America too.  It's a wash -- they've got their shit 
> and we've got ours.  We've got red-necks and they've got fundamentalists.  
> We've got every sort of preacher on any stump, and they've got state 
> religions, political philosophies backed up by guns, warlords and kings and 
> corrupt to the core businesspersons.  No stone can be thrown by anyone at any 
> country.  
> 
> To me, being an American has been a life long intent of dwelling upon and  
> recognizing the deeper dynamics of humanity, the common ground we share with 
> virtually anyone anywhere, and my profit is that I feel like a true world 
> citizen and only see my "fellow citizens" no matter the language, beliefs or 
> local mores.  I have loved so many with whom I only had but a few words of 
> their language in which to express 

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Neo-Advaita disease - Satsangus teacheritis

[Alex Stanley]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
>
> 
> Yifu Xero, this is good stuff. If you have the time and the
> inclination, I'd appreciate it if you'd listen to some of my
> recent interviews on htt://batgap.com - perhaps Ted Strauss,
> James Swartz, and James Braha - particularly the latter two - 
> and see if you can offer me any advice in how do deal with this
> neo-Advaita issue. 

Since BATGAP has a strong Waking Down presence, and you're interested in 
dealing with neo-advaita, you might consider interviewing Krishna Gauci, who 
was a teacher in the Papaji lineage before getting involved with Waking Down, 
having his Waking Down brand Second Birth Awakening, and ultimately becoming a 
Waking Down teacher.

[FairfieldLife] Re: No sex in space? Yeah, right.

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung  wrote:
>
> I'm a member of the mile high club, but geeze, an airplane's 
> bathroom is not your ideal chamber of delight. How much less 
> so in space with six type A geniuses at one's elbows?
> 
> Compared to a private bed, propinquity sex in space has to 
> be but a furtive affair at best and a joke relative to any 
> sexuality based on a relationship with another's mind instead 
> of their being temporarily in a unique "love nest."  
> 
> "Hey, Babe, you're here, I'm here, can I squirt yer guts on 
> our ten minute break?" -- seems tawdry.  

Could be that the "tawdry" is projected by you, 
Edg, and not necessarily a part of the actual 
situation. 

For example, I'm a member of the mile high club, 
too, but we did it in the main cabin, surrounded
by other passengers (most of whom were admittedly 
asleep). We wound up having a three-seat row for
the two of us, no fixed dividers between the seats,
and they'd passed out blankets to everyone, so we 
were under the blankets. 

And the kicker? This was on a charter flight to
Europe, and the woman (ten years older than me,
so you don't have to get your "predator" dander
up) and I were on our way to our respective six-
month TM sidhi courses. Everyone on the plane 
was on the way there. 

We talked about it years later, and both agreed
that it had been one of the best sexual exper-
iences of our lives. We knew each other well,
had been there done that with the relationship
thing but remained good friends, and both were 
on our ways to six months of enforced celibacy, 
the women in one town, the men in another. It 
was just the obvious thing to do, it was fun, 
and it hurt no one. The lady and I remained 
close for many years after that, though we
were never lovers again. 

So tell us, Mr. Arbiter Of Things Tantrically
Sattvic, was that "tawdry?" 

> But if they send up pairs that are already bonded or 
> exploring having a lifelong relationship, I'm all for 
> sex in space. Sex is for grownups not high-ups, but 
> in space, given the costs, I'd say it'll be awhile 
> before a lengthy tantric love session is recreation-
> ally allowed above 100 miles.

The scuttlebutt around the Santa Fe Institute, 
a thinktank where several of my friends worked
after earlier careers at NASA, was that the
Russians had actually ordered their Cosmonauts 
to have sex, because they wanted to study it.
That's something that can never be validated
except by hearsay, if some of the scientists
and/or one of the Cosmonauts comes out with a
"tell all" book, but I think it's interesting.

I'm really not knocking your ideal of Deep, 
Gazing-Into-Your-Partner's-Eyes Tantric Groove 
Love, Edg, just your clinging to it as The Only 
Meaningful Expression Of Sex Possible because 
that's the only way it was possible for you. 
You missed out on a lot of fun.

[FairfieldLife] Re: No sex in space? Yeah, right.

[Duveyoung]

I'm a member of the mile high club, but geeze, an airplane's bathroom is not 
your ideal chamber of delight.  How much less so in space with six type A 
geniuses at one's elbows?

Compared to a private bed, propinquity sex in space has to be but a furtive 
affair at best and a joke relative to any sexuality based on a relationship 
with another's mind instead of their being temporarily in a unique "love nest." 
 

"Hey, Babe, you're here, I'm here, can I squirt yer guts on our ten minute 
break?" -- seems tawdry.  

But if they send up pairs that are already bonded or exploring having a 
lifelong relationship, I'm all for sex in space.  Sex is for grownups not 
high-ups, but in space, given the costs, I'd say it'll be awhile before a 
lengthy tantric love session is recreationally allowed above 100 miles.

Edg

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
>
> Once again, the Russians have beaten the Americans not only in the space
> race, but in the being-able-to-deal-with-sexuality-intelligently race.
> It has been pretty common knowledge since the earliest Russian space
> stations that the Cosmonauts got naughty.
> 
> And when you think about it, who is *not* going to give it a try, given
> the challenge? Which is more of an achievement, after all -- being the
> 40th or 50th human in space, or being the 1st two to try Zero-G sex?
> This guy sounds like either the Edg Duveyoung or JohnR of space ("The
> thought of having sex would never occur to me...that would make me less
> of a man") or the Bill Clinton of space ("I did not have sex with that
> alien...I just offered her a puff on my cigar").  At least his name is
> appropriate...what a Poindexter.   :-)
> 
> Sex Banned Aboard International Space Station: NASA Commander
> 
> You can forget joining the 200-mile high club. NASA commander Alan
> Poindexter told a reporter who asked about "the consequences if
> astronauts boldly went where  probably no others have been"
>  commander>  that sexual intercourse is not  permitted aboard the
> International Space Station.
> 
> "We are professionals," Poindexter said.
> 
> "We treat each other with respect and we have a great working 
> relationship. Personal relationships are not [...] an issue," he 
> explained. "We don't have them and we won't."
> 
> The question about sexual relations in space came after an April mission
>  3414.html> that put a record four women in  orbit--the most women in
> space ever. Three women aboard the Discovery  joined another women and
> four men aboard the International Space  Station.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Neo-Advaita disease - Satsangus teacheritis

[WillyTex]

Duveyoung:
> I too have been disappointed in how others glom onto 
> Advaita concepts in the manners listed below. It sucks.
>
So, Amma, Poonja, Nisargadatta, and Balsekar, suck.

Read more:

'Back to the Truth: 5000 years of Advaita'
by Dennis Waite 
O Books, 2007

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ondine [movie]

[Bhairitu]

TurquoiseB wrote:
> "Ondine" is a very sweet, uplifting mythic fantasy romance, 
> the last thing you might expect from either Colin Farrell or
> Neil Jordan. You'll be singing the Selkie's song long after
> seeing it. I watched it twice in two days, because I could
> not get that song out of my head. 
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80HzX8UGEKM
>
> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1235796/

This movie hasn't made it out of the "currently in theaters" tier of the 
VOD services so I haven't looked at it yet.  Been busy anyway with a 
wide away of releases and catching up on the schlock films.

First off though a "head up" that season 2 of "Hung" began on HBO Sunday 
and off to "rip roaring" start.   If there are any other fans of "Rescue 
Me" on FX it begins it's final season tonight.  I know a lot of folks 
are not fans of Dennis Leary but I have to hand it to him to play a role 
that many actors would not touch.  The series plays also like "Off 
Broadway" with a lot of high art drama we usually don't get to see even 
on HBO or Showtime.  And of course we are into the third season of "True 
Blood" now.

In the schlock circuit I have a half hour to finish on "Wolf Moon" 
(avail Netflix watch instantly) which is going to get a "didn't like it" 
from me rating.  I'm going to have to research how this film got made.  
Good cast, excellent cinematography but a movie in need of a good writer 
and editor especially the latter.  It may well be some rich kid's 
project where daddy and mommy bought him all the right stuff in hopes he 
would give up on his silly dream of being a film director.  Believe it 
or not I once heard a commentary where the director admitted that was 
exactly what happened.

Even more schlockly looking and releasing next week on DVD is 
"Eyeborg".  This films stars Danny Trejo and sounds interesting even if 
not well done.  It's about tiny bots that spy on people and the end of 
privacy.  Social commentary films are always my cup of tea.

The big studio version of "The Crazies" releases on DVD and BD today.  
It is at the local Redbox kiosks and though I didn't rush right out and 
grab one nor reserve it I'll check on my way back from my morning walk.  
I saw the film in theaters and felt it lacked edge so I want to see from 
the extras what went wrong.  It lead me to "buy" the original Romero 
film on Bluray which was well worth it.  The original inspired many 
films including the big budget "Outbreak" with Dustin Hoffman.

[FairfieldLife] Curtis's Birthday

[Rick Archer]

Today is Curtis Mailloux's birthday. I don't think he's monitoring FFL, but
if you want to email him here you go: curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com

[FairfieldLife] Re: No one starting TM or "Dome-ing"? Rewrite the sales brochure.

[pranamoocher]

Please elaborate on the "dark side", which sounds reminiscent of Star
Wars and Carlos Castenada.  You mention these forces in your posts on
BatGap and here.
Why do you think its so important to mention these forces, since if
practically speaking, and assuming they are present in daily life, most
people are unaware of them and therefore can't do anything about them
anyways?
Most happy successful people I know don't give this a 2nd thought and go
on with their daily routines.  Its like the policy of "don't ask, don't
tell."
Inquiring minds want to know (before the dark forces swallow them up
whole).


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Don Miller  wrote:
>
> When I knew the TMO they liked to throw all stray thoughts into a
single simple waste bin and say that it is all unstressing, and this is
where perhaps they are overlooking the other 50% of the energetic world,
which includes in our case as humans a conscious organization of dark
parasitic energy beings.
> Â
> Instead of throwing all stray thoughts into the garbage bin I will
provide a few categories here.
> Â
> 1)Some stray thoughts are the creation of our own active mind and
creativity.
> Â
> 2)Some stray thoughts are not our own, but the thoughts of other
people physically near to us, or people who are connected to us through
knowledge, or even by pure random chance.  And likewise some stray
thoughts are those of other awarnesses, like plants, animals, or any
life-form.
> Â
> 3)Some stray thoughts are deliberately planted in our minds by
parasitic shadow creatures without physical bodies, with the intention
to direct us towards action or inaction which drain us of our most basic
energy, that of attention, through wasteful senseless activities.
> Â
> A careful study of the origins of these stray thoughts in meditation
may lead over time to “seeing” the form of the energetic
world composed of lines of attention.
> Â
> Transcending and seeing the world for what it is without veils, even
if it be temporary, makes one an important target for dark shadowy
forces that intelligently and consciously keep most of the world under
their domain. This is an organization of beings, intelligent bottom
feeders of sorts, which feed off of the broadly scattered and wasted
energy of the attention of common people.  They implant thoughts in
all people to maintain these wasteful and misdirected activities.
> Â
> The dark side is indispensable to the positive side and perfectly
counterbalances it, and progress on the positive side cannot progress
far without some understanding of one of the two most fundamental
forces, the dark force, which I could describe in a series of equal
terms such as;
> Â
> 1) an infinite force of sadness, loneliness, melancholy, which is
irreducible, beyond explanation, and forms the basis of all other human
emotion and motivation (all other human emotions, including love, are
just temporary islands floating upon and empowered by this basic
reality);
> 2) The destiny of an ever expanding universe, of universal
dissolution;
> 3)Freedom;
> 4)Death.Â
> To understand this force one must find it within ones self, and grow
to love and respect it as a component part of self.  One may also
become aware of the beings that inhabit this other realm, and their
motives.
> Â
> I won’t elaborate on the light side too much here, except to
say that it is the desire for life; structure; beauty; unification, all
that Maharishi stuff basically.
> Â
> A meditator which transcends, and perhaps occasionally
“sees” the energetic world in relation to that pure
transcendence is a prime target to these beings, and vulnerable if they
are anything but a total saint, and I don’t believe that there
really is such a thing as a saint, outside of the human desire to create
legends.
> Â
> Dark parasitic forces stalk us and try to find entry based on our
routines and habits.  In my opinion there is no such thing as a good
habit, such as meditation strictly twice a day at the same time each
day.  These habits squelch the development of fluid intuition of
what to do and when, that a transcending mind naturally develops.
> Â
> On the other hand, and this is very important, most people will use
this dissolution of so called “good” routines such as
meditation, to forego it altogether, and that is perhaps worse, like
throwing the baby out with the bathwater.  I meditate sort of on the
average twice a day, and in various places, depending on calls from the
“spirit”.  My meditations do have some amazing quality
of calming down local noise and strife, beyond any logical
explanation,... except for a certain insane explanation which would
state that reality is basically dream-like, and where transcending
touches the structuring property of that dream.
> Â
> I see the structure of the TMO then as providing a sort of initial
framework of security, such as nursery, but something which must also be
transcended eventually for advancement.
>
> --- On Mon, 6/28/10, authfr

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Neo-Advaita disease - Satsangus teacheritis

[WillyTex]

> Writing about these satsang conceits was inspired 
> by several years of close observation of the 
> zoological type satsangus teacheritis
>
Rick Archer:
> ...you can offer me any advice in how do deal
> with this neo-Advaita issue.
>
Apparently Amma is a Neo-Advaitin, you could start 
there, Rick. 

"Jivanmukti is not something to be attained after 
death, nor is it to be experienced or bestowed upon 
you in another world. It is a state of perfect 
awareness and equanimity, which can be experienced 
here and now in this world, while living in the 
body." - Amma

[FairfieldLife] Re: No one starting TM or "Dome-ing"? Rewrite the sales brochure.

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:

> Welcome to FFL, dude. I look forward to you posting 
> more. Don't pay too much attention to the Troll Trio
> of Judy, Willytex, and Edg. IMO they were all three
> cloned from the same piece of asshole tissue and 
> separated soon after their test tube birth.  :-)

Translation: The three of us are among Barry's severest
critics here, so he'd really rather you not read our
posts, because they might clue you in to what a phony
he is sooner than you'd realize it otherwise.


> Judy also makes pronouncements about the "definitive" 
> interpretation of things Maharishi taught, while 
> never having met him herself. She doesn't like it
> when I point this last little fact out.

One thing you'll quickly discover about Barry is that
he lies like a rug.

What I "make pronouncements" about is what MMY *actually
said*, the words I've heard him speak on video/audiotape
or those he's put his name to in print. Barry tries very
hard to make it seem as though it's somehow not legitimate
for me to quote him from these sources given that I never
met him. (As Willytex would say, "Go figure.") And I don't
give a hoot how many times Barry "points out" that I never
met him, given that I've pointed this out myself many times.

 She won't
> like it when I point out that her indignant claim 
> in this thread that she *has* traveled and lived 
> outside the US dates to (in her words, in a post 
> here), the "early 50s." In her mind, traveling and 
> living in Europe with Daddy and Mommy that many 
> years ago qualifies her to comment on what it's 
> like to live outside the US as an ex-pat now. :-)

Er, and Barry also does a lot of fantasizing about
what's in other people's minds. He's never yet gotten
it right in my case, as he doesn't here. Note that I
never said anything to suggest what he fantasizes was
in my mind; he invented it out of whole cloth.

Note also that the dates are irrelevant in any case;
Barry didn't specify *current* travel in his own
post when he claimed I'd never left the U.S. or lived
in another country. (His objection is what we call an
"afterthought," crafted in an effort to cover up a big
goof. Barry does that a lot as well, because he makes
so many howling errors. Since he obviously remembers
my having talked about my trips, you can decide for
yourself whether he was simply sloppily forgetful or
lying when he said I'd never traveled abroad.)

FWIW, I made a second trip to Europe some years later,
making the crossings alone by ship, joining my family
in Vienna for several weeks then traveling with them
during the summer to another batch of countries,
finally flying to Paris by myself for a solo stay
there before catching the ship home. (Didn't mention
this before because I didn't "live" in one place in
Europe on that occasion.)

One definitely has different types of experiences
abroad depending on when one travels. In the case of
my first trip, it was soon enough after the end of
World War II that we could see many of the scars it
had left, both physical and psychological. In Munich,
we lived on the top floor of a four-story apartment
building; the building itself was fairly elderly,
but our floor was brand-new. The top story had been
bombed out and then reconstructed. So we were
reminded of the ravages of the war every time we went
downstairs and saw the difference between our floor
and those below.

My second trip, we went to Berlin, then still divided,
and as Americans were allowed to venture into East
Berlin for a quick tour in the car. The contrast
between East and West, between communism and capitalism,
in the quality of the streets and buildings and stores
and the clothing and expressions on the faces of the
people--drab and depressed rather than colorful and
lively--made quite an impression. And the view of the
Wall from the western side of the city was unforgettable.

Anyway, all this is a perspective one doesn't get from
living in a glitzy Spanish tourist-trap town. Each to
his own.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Neo-Advaita disease - Satsangus teacheritis

[Duveyoung]

I too have been disappointed in how others glom onto Advaita concepts in the 
manners listed below.  It sucks.  But it doesn't suck anymore than it sucks to 
be a Catholic and having to admit there are some evil priests.  There's bad 
apples in every organization who are, yep, the ones that get interviewed by the 
press.  The neo-Adviatans are of every ilk -- posers and phonies and true 
hearts too that, though well intended, simply have not yet gotten the Advaita 
tee shirt yet.  But there they are on a stump.

When one judges another religion or culture, it's a given that cherry picking 
any individual to prove one's case is disallowed out of hand.  

Therefore, putting down Advaita because of its followers is bankrupt from the 
start.  And putting down, say, Capitalism or Communism for their followers -- 
same deal -- assholes grabbing camera time, bureaucratic positions, pulpits, et 
al.  

Only here or there does a star shine -- a saint Francis, a Socrates, an 
Aquinas, a Lincoln, a Ghandi, a Ramana Maharishi, a Guru Dev.  There's where 
you can see what a religion or mindset is worth.

Otherwise, why not just say, "Look at this Barry guy -- might as well blow up 
the Earth."  

Edg

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
>
> From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Yifu Xero
> Sent: Monday, June 28, 2010 9:45 PM
> To: fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] The Neo-Advaita disease - Satsangus teacheritis
>  
>   
> from http://www.enlightened-spirituality.org/neo-advaita.html
>  
> " 
> [The following is an analysis of what has come to be called “Advaita 
> Syndrome” or “Advaita Disease,” written by a philosophical counselor, 
> Greg Goode (see his website: www.heartofnow.com). This piece has often 
> circulated anonymously, but Greg is the author. He recently wrote to me:
> "Dear Timothy... Writing about these satsang conceits was inspired by several 
> years of close observation of the zoological type satsangus teacheritis. I 
> used to visit and hang with two or three satsang teachers per month for 
> several years as they came through NYC [New York City]. Boy could I tell you 
> stories. I bet you have some too! I'm glad to see your page on the craziness 
> of the neo-satsang movement. There's not much advaita to it so I don't call 
> it neo-advaita."] 
> LUCKNOW DISEASE - linguistic malady befalling seekers at Papaji's [HWL 
> Poonja, 1913-97, of Lucknow, India]. Characterized by never using the word 
> "I" to encourage one's self and also to show others that there is no one [no 
> reified ego] at home here. Instead, they would say things like "This form is 
> going to the rest room." 
> ADVAITA SHUFFLE - Conversational gambit. What [Papaji disciple] Andrew Cohen 
> accused [another Papaji disciple] Gangaji of doing when she didn't want to 
> talk about ethics and enlightenment. Jumping to the absolute level at odd 
> times. Like when the receptionist asks why you were late for your doctor's 
> appointment. "There's no one here to go anywhere or be late for anything." 
> LANDING - Losing one's enlightenment. What Gangaji accused Andrew Cohen of 
> having done. Term used by those who think of enlightenment as a kind of thing 
> that can be lost. Something like claiming enlightenment and then getting 
> peevish and petty over who pays the tip at the dinner. 
> NONDUAL POLICE - Those who badger others to use nondual terminology. Whenever 
> they hear someone saying something like "I'm going out for coffee," they 
> barge in: "WHO is going out for coffee??" Nondual police want everyone to 
> always be in constant Ramana-self-inquiry-mode. 
> THE EYE THING - Keeping eye contact with the other person as long as 
> possible. Whoever drops their gaze first is not as established in the 
> Beloved. Some blinking is OK, but not too much. The deeper into the Self you 
> are, the longer you can hold it. Used by many satsang teachers. One of my 
> friends can out-stare anyone. He kinds of drops into a Candidiasis-mind-fog, 
> and hours can go by. 
> Yifu Xero, this is good stuff. If you have the time and the inclination, I'd 
> appreciate it if you'd listen to some of my recent interviews on 
> htt://batgap.com - perhaps Ted Strauss, James Swartz, and James Braha - 
> particularly the latter two - and see if you can offer me any advice in how 
> do deal with this neo-Advaita issue. Actually, it looks like Tim Conway's 
> page - http://www.enlightened-spirituality.org/neo-advaita.html - to which 
> you linked, covers it nicely, so maybe you don't need to bother. I'll read 
> that, and I'll be interviewing Tim on July 7 and get into the issue with him. 
> I'll have to contact Greg Goode too. Thanks.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: No one starting TM or "Dome-ing"? Rewrite the sales brochure.

[TurquoiseB]

Can't help myself. Gotta do a Willytex on this one.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung  wrote:
>
> As for my imaginary friend, God, I am on record here 
> espousing the impersonal God, the Absolute, as an 
> infinitely subtle structure of existence that saturates 
> by a spiritual hegemony every dynamic of consciousness...

So you're saying that your friend is not only
imaginary but that you have an impersonal 
relationship with him? What's up with that?

Go figure.

:-)

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No one starting TM or "Dome-ing"? Rewrite the sales brochure.

[ditzyklanmail]

Yeah, with a "animal farm" twist!





From: TurquoiseB 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, 29 June, 2010 9:24:58 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: No one starting TM or "Dome-ing"? Rewrite the 
sales brochure.

  
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Don Miller  wrote:
>
> Good post Turquoise,
> 
> I live in a pueblo of 150,000 people with a beautiful climate, 
> good economy (no extreme poverty) and low prices, and am one of 
> only 3 persons from the U.S. (who were born in the US).  

My little town in Spain has a stable population of
about 28,000, but being a tourist town can swell to
twice that size in the summer, four times that size
during big fiestas. I have no idea how many Americans
live here, but my guess is that it's less than 50, as
opposed to thousands of Brits.

> It causes a lot of attention to be focused on me, but that is 
> mostly a good thing because these people are not nearly so 
> racist fearful and hating as I knew people in all parts of 
> the US to be. 

I get almost no attention at all, which is how I like
things. Castanedan inaccessibility, and all that.

Welcome to FFL, dude. I look forward to you posting 
more. Don't pay too much attention to the Troll Trio
of Judy, Willytex, and Edg. IMO they were all three
cloned from the same piece of asshole tissue and 
separated soon after their test tube birth.  :-)

Willytex tells everyone what's what in the world of
how to be a TM teacher while never having been one.
Edg tells people all about women and how to treat
them properly in a sexual situation, while having 
slept with a grand total of two women in his life. 
Judy also makes pronouncements about the "definitive" 
interpretation of things Maharishi taught, while 
never having met him herself. She doesn't like it
when I point this last little fact out. She won't
like it when I point out that her indignant claim 
in this thread that she *has* traveled and lived 
outside the US dates to (in her words, in a post 
here), the "early 50s." In her mind, traveling and 
living in Europe with Daddy and Mommy that many 
years ago qualifies her to comment on what it's 
like to live outside the US as an ex-pat now. :-)

Bhairitu (another of the folks here who has walked
the walk of travel more recently than 50-55 years 
ago) refers to Fairfield Life as the Funny Farm
Lounge. You'll learn very quickly how true that is.  :-)


 

[FairfieldLife] Re: No one starting TM or "Dome-ing"? Rewrite the sales brochure.

[Duveyoung]

Been around the world.  Seventeen countries. A total of six months in Asia via 
three trips. Year in Europe.  Lived for a year or more in California, 
Wisconsin, Iowa, Michigan, New York, Georgia, Florida and traveled in 40 states 
of America. and I was watching my pennies the whole time, so it's not like 
I was high-hatting it as an ugly American abroad or living the posh life here.  
Walked and walked and walked the local neighborhoods and markets everywhere.  
Learned a couple hundred words in each of many languages, lived in folks' 
homes, ate their food, worshiped with them in Buddhist temples and in the 
churches of Europe, and I've closed my eyes to meditate in public in diners and 
bus stations and on park benches and even in a tent next to a lake a mile from 
Maharishi in Seelisberg while surrounded by a herd of cows who seemed to like 
what I was, um, not-doing.  

I don't have an especial tee shirt for all the above, but one thing I did get 
out of it was that America is THE PLACE for personal freedoms of the sort that 
is missing in virtually every country.  

While in Spain, I authored and published a small book and I had to get 
permission (forms filled out and stamps purchased and samples given to some 
"decider" from the government) to authorize my printer to do the job for me.  I 
dared not criticize Spain, see?  

In Taiwan, I saw the cops beating up the vendors and soldiers on guard every 
mile of every major highway.  

In Indonesia I traveled along a road for miles and miles with hundreds of 
thousands of people living on the roadsides in huts next to a canal that was 
both toilet and drinking water.  I saw families living their whole lives on a 
patch of sidewalk where they "owned" about six parking spots and would watch 
your car for you while you parked it there -- for fifteen cents a day.  There's 
dirt roads in downtown Jakarta.  I saw grown men hunched over fencing wires all 
in a heap -- pounding the wires straight so that they could be resold.  I saw 
ten year old girls selling flowers in the middle of traffic.  Barbershops are 
places where you get a hand job in Asia, and every wife is expected to accept 
this.  

And on and on I can list the tragedies and twisted allowances of each culture 
that are seen, yes, in America too.  It's a wash -- they've got their shit and 
we've got ours.  We've got red-necks and they've got fundamentalists.  We've 
got every sort of preacher on any stump, and they've got state religions, 
political philosophies backed up by guns, warlords and kings and corrupt to the 
core businesspersons.  No stone can be thrown by anyone at any country.  

To me, being an American has been a life long intent of dwelling upon and  
recognizing the deeper dynamics of humanity, the common ground we share with 
virtually anyone anywhere, and my profit is that I feel like a true world 
citizen and only see my "fellow citizens" no matter the language, beliefs or 
local mores.  I have loved so many with whom I only had but a few words of 
their language in which to express my feelings.  

After all my trips, coming home to America was bittersweet knowing of our 
crappola, but it was coming HOME.  It wasn't about seeing family again, it was 
about putting a single foot on this soil from which I'd sprung.

I love America for that which it stands, and I cry when so many fall so short 
of this mindset that the whole world wants for itself too -- freedom here is 
sweeter than any other freedom of other cultures -- I'm hardwired to assert 
this, yes, but intuitively, it seems true.

And, if the world crumbles and all the paranoia turns out to have been 20/20, 
we can be sure that America will be blamed and that the unwashed everywhere 
will take it out on whatever American they can get their hands on.  If an 
Israeli bulldozer can slowly grind a young woman into the mud, it's not a 
stretch to imagine Barry being targeted by the local crazies when 80% of the 
world is eating grass, shoe leather, and Soylent Green.  Have fun OVER THERE 
Barry -- it may not last much longer.   

As for my imaginary friend, God, I am on record here espousing the impersonal 
God, the Absolute, as an infinitely subtle structure of existence that 
saturates by a spiritual hegemony every dynamic of consciousness and that it 
MIGHT be possible that one or more religions have the skinny on how to purify 
one's resonance with that ground-state's axioms and that doing such brings ease 
to living.  

Show of hands . . . anyone here envious of Barry's ex-pat life?  Anyone here 
think his job security is firm?  Anyone here think he's not going to high-tail 
it HOME when push comes to shove?  

Edg


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
>
> Ya know that Edg has reached the bottom of his
> already-small intellectual barrel when he has to
> try the "shame the ex-pat for running away from
> his country" routine.  :-)
> 
> Anyone who still identifies with nationalism and
> thinks of t

[FairfieldLife] MUM Launches Creative Musical Arts Program

[Rick Archer]

 Achievements  
 

 The latest developments from Maharishi University of Management u 
 
 


JUNE 28, 2010 • ISSUE 85
  University Website
 

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Professor Isabelle Matzkin, director of the Creative Musical Arts program
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Visiting faculty Donald Sosin, professional film composer
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A songwriting lesson led by guest musician Rick Stanley
MUM Launches Creative Musical Arts Program
Maharishi University of Management is launching a new music program this fall, 
with courses on songwriting and music technology. Faculty will include renowned 
musicians from New York City and the University of Michigan.
Students can earn a 20-credit minor in   Creative 
Musical Arts, choose music as a specialization of the BA in Media and 
Communications degree, or take music classes as electives. The department plans 
to expand the program into a major and a graduate program. The first academic 
year will commence with a summer festival of music workshops and concerts 
during the first week of August.
“I’ve been fortunate to have an incredibly knowledgeable and dynamic team of 
professionals helping me design the curriculum,” said professor Isabelle 
Matzkin, who will head the program. “We are developing a very innovative 
approach to musical study, centered around the systematic development of 
creativity.”
The program hopes to accommodate the wide range of musical interests among the 
students, from composing to performance to creating music digitally.
Among the key individuals spearheading the program are Ed Sarath, professor of 
music and founder of the jazz department at the University of Michigan; Jane 
Pitt, award-winning composer and singer-songwriter; and Donald Sosin, 
professional film composer and performer. A number of other musicians are 
scheduled to teach courses as well, including top professionals in the fields 
of performing, composing, teaching, and music technology.
Courses scheduled for the 2010/11 academic year include A New Approach to Music 
Theory; The Artistry of Songwriting; Music, Consciousness, and Veda; and 
Creative Music Technology.
The program will also offer ongoing performance instruction with professional 
musicians in the area including individual and group lessons, as well as choirs 
and other ensembles. Some ensembles, such as the university choir, will also be 
open to members of the Fairfield community.
“Music has a powerfully harmonizing and integrating influence on the individual 
and the environment,” said professor Matzkin. “Our goal is to provide an 
educational setting where students will harness that power and develop a 
personal, artistic voice capable of making a positive difference in the world.”
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[FairfieldLife] Re: John Cleese explains football to Americans who call it soccer

[hermandan0]

Funny-- the irony, of course, is that is was the English that created the term 
"Soccer" for Association Football.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soccer

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
>
> Not to be missed. The truth, the whole truth and
> nothing but the truth as only John Cleese can tell it:
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sD_8prYOxo
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Argentina, soccer and YF?

[hermandan0]

Card--they're out. They tied two games, won one, and lost to Ghana--a nation 
which probably has zero yogic flyers. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hermandan0  wrote:
> >
> > It did a lot for the USA didn't it? 
> 
> Well, as a Finn, ice-hockey is my game (I'm/was at least a fairly
> good skater, despite my rather poor balance, or stuff. Go figure!). I'm only 
> marginally interested in soccer.
> 
> But I believe the USA did rather/extremely well...??
> 
> 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister  wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > If there are "enough" active Yffers in Argentina at the moment,
> > > Germany prolly has no chances of winning there mutual game?
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: No one starting TM or "Dome-ing"? Rewrite the sales brochure.

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Don Miller  wrote:
>
> Good post Turquoise,
> 
> I live in a pueblo of 150,000 people with a beautiful climate, 
> good economy (no extreme poverty) and low prices, and am one of 
> only 3 persons from the U.S. (who were born in the US).  

My little town in Spain has a stable population of
about 28,000, but being a tourist town can swell to
twice that size in the summer, four times that size
during big fiestas. I have no idea how many Americans
live here, but my guess is that it's less than 50, as
opposed to thousands of Brits.

> It causes a lot of attention to be focused on me, but that is 
> mostly a good thing because these people are not nearly so 
> racist fearful and hating as I knew people in all parts of 
> the US to be. 

I get almost no attention at all, which is how I like
things. Castanedan inaccessibility, and all that.

Welcome to FFL, dude. I look forward to you posting 
more. Don't pay too much attention to the Troll Trio
of Judy, Willytex, and Edg. IMO they were all three
cloned from the same piece of asshole tissue and 
separated soon after their test tube birth.  :-)

Willytex tells everyone what's what in the world of
how to be a TM teacher while never having been one.
Edg tells people all about women and how to treat
them properly in a sexual situation, while having 
slept with a grand total of two women in his life. 
Judy also makes pronouncements about the "definitive" 
interpretation of things Maharishi taught, while 
never having met him herself. She doesn't like it
when I point this last little fact out. She won't
like it when I point out that her indignant claim 
in this thread that she *has* traveled and lived 
outside the US dates to (in her words, in a post 
here), the "early 50s." In her mind, traveling and 
living in Europe with Daddy and Mommy that many 
years ago qualifies her to comment on what it's 
like to live outside the US as an ex-pat now. :-)

Bhairitu (another of the folks here who has walked
the walk of travel more recently than 50-55 years 
ago) refers to Fairfield Life as the Funny Farm
Lounge. You'll learn very quickly how true that is.  :-)

RE: [FairfieldLife] Seeing the Saints

[Rick Archer]

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Buck
Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2010 7:04 AM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Seeing the Saints
 
  


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 , "wayback71" 
wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 , "Rick Archer"  wrote:
> >
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ken Wilber on Trivedi
> > 
> > 
> > Does anyone from the TMO stand and watch who enters the arena to see
these
> > saints? Are they writing down names and then reporting them back to
> > headquarters? Do people still get called in and scolded or worse for
seeing
> > people like Amma, Trivedi? I wonder if those days have passed.

> > They haven't. Some people sneak in the back door. A friend of mine just
got
> > fired from his movement job for going to see Karunamayi. His car was
spotted
> > parked among the others at her homa.
> >

Yep, I did notice someone had stopped by
the Karunamayi Homa who had previously
helped 'report' out someone else to DEVCO
and got them removed from the dome program
for seeing other saints.
You noticed this? Were you in FF? Was it Wendy Cavanaugh by any chance? I
saw her at a Karunamayi thing once and suspected that she wasn't there for
her own benefit.
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Seeing the Saints

[WillyTex]

yifuxero:
> Try Buddhism. I recommend Lama Zopa...
> 
You seem to be getting confused - Lama Zopa
is teaching Neo-Advaita! Everyone knows that
Zopa believes that we are all 'Buddhas' from 
birth. According to Mahayana Buddhism, we all
possess the Buddha Nature. You are already
enlightened - all you have to do is Awaken!

"He then revealed the teachings of the Four 
Noble Truths—that show the path to liberation, 
the Paramitayana path—that shows the path to 
full enlightenment, and the tantric path 
which brings enlightenment very quickly—even 
in one lifetime..." - Lama Zopa

http://tinyurl.com/2dg2srk

RE: [FairfieldLife] The Neo-Advaita disease - Satsangus teacheritis

[Rick Archer]

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Yifu Xero
Sent: Monday, June 28, 2010 9:45 PM
To: fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] The Neo-Advaita disease - Satsangus teacheritis
 
  
from http://www.enlightened-spirituality.org/neo-advaita.html
 
" 
[The following is an analysis of what has come to be called “Advaita Syndrome” 
or “Advaita Disease,” written by a philosophical counselor, Greg Goode (see his 
website: www.heartofnow.com). This piece has often circulated anonymously, but 
Greg is the author. He recently wrote to me:
"Dear Timothy... Writing about these satsang conceits was inspired by several 
years of close observation of the zoological type satsangus teacheritis. I used 
to visit and hang with two or three satsang teachers per month for several 
years as they came through NYC [New York City]. Boy could I tell you stories. I 
bet you have some too! I'm glad to see your page on the craziness of the 
neo-satsang movement. There's not much advaita to it so I don't call it 
neo-advaita."] 
LUCKNOW DISEASE - linguistic malady befalling seekers at Papaji's [HWL Poonja, 
1913-97, of Lucknow, India]. Characterized by never using the word "I" to 
encourage one's self and also to show others that there is no one [no reified 
ego] at home here. Instead, they would say things like "This form is going to 
the rest room." 
ADVAITA SHUFFLE - Conversational gambit. What [Papaji disciple] Andrew Cohen 
accused [another Papaji disciple] Gangaji of doing when she didn't want to talk 
about ethics and enlightenment. Jumping to the absolute level at odd times. 
Like when the receptionist asks why you were late for your doctor's 
appointment. "There's no one here to go anywhere or be late for anything." 
LANDING - Losing one's enlightenment. What Gangaji accused Andrew Cohen of 
having done. Term used by those who think of enlightenment as a kind of thing 
that can be lost. Something like claiming enlightenment and then getting 
peevish and petty over who pays the tip at the dinner. 
NONDUAL POLICE - Those who badger others to use nondual terminology. Whenever 
they hear someone saying something like "I'm going out for coffee," they barge 
in: "WHO is going out for coffee??" Nondual police want everyone to always be 
in constant Ramana-self-inquiry-mode. 
THE EYE THING - Keeping eye contact with the other person as long as possible. 
Whoever drops their gaze first is not as established in the Beloved. Some 
blinking is OK, but not too much. The deeper into the Self you are, the longer 
you can hold it. Used by many satsang teachers. One of my friends can out-stare 
anyone. He kinds of drops into a Candidiasis-mind-fog, and hours can go by. 
Yifu Xero, this is good stuff. If you have the time and the inclination, I'd 
appreciate it if you'd listen to some of my recent interviews on 
htt://batgap.com - perhaps Ted Strauss, James Swartz, and James Braha - 
particularly the latter two - and see if you can offer me any advice in how do 
deal with this neo-Advaita issue. Actually, it looks like Tim Conway's page - 
http://www.enlightened-spirituality.org/neo-advaita.html - to which you linked, 
covers it nicely, so maybe you don't need to bother. I'll read that, and I'll 
be interviewing Tim on July 7 and get into the issue with him. I'll have to 
contact Greg Goode too. Thanks.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Seeing the Saints

[Don Miller]

Of course not.  A wad of cash will heal all spiritual wounds with the TM 
organization.  But if you are on staff, sucking the money from them, then that 
in itself is a good thing, and if you are subtle you can have your cake and eat 
it too, otherwise, to hell with it all.  Don't be a wussy.  It damages your 
spirit.





From: ditzyklanmail 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, June 29, 2010 8:45:10 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Seeing the Saints

  
What if someone has "rock star" or "movie star" status?
They seem to be exempt from the list of who to remove?






From: TurquoiseB 
To: FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Tue, 29 June, 2010 7:41:17 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Seeing the Saints

  
--- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, "Buck"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, "wayback71"  wrote:
>
> Yep, I did notice someone had stopped by
> the Karunamayi Homa who had previously
> helped 'report' out someone else to DEVCO
> and got them removed from the dome program
> for seeing other saints.
> She stood in a couple different places for 
> 4 or 5 minutes with sunglasses on
> and then left. She is of a 
> temperament that people "need
> to make choices".
> 
> Evidently by Rick's report about
> someone losing their job with the TMmovement, things
> have not changed
> within the Tmo. 

What is fascinating to me is how much things have
not changed in terms of hypocrisy. Back in 1978 I 
was going out with a woman who single-handedly 
ended several TM teachers' careers within the TM
movement by "reporting them" to the TMO authorities
for the similar but lesser sin of "reading books 
that have been declared Off The Program" so that 
they would be kept from going to courses and never 
allowed to teach again. She too used the phrase 
"People need to make choices." I remember it 
clearly because that statement marked the end
of my romantic interest in her.

Several years later I ran into this same woman in
Chicago and she dragged me with her to see Karunamayi, 
carefully checking before going in to make sure no 
one else was there who would report *her* to the 
TMO. And her brother is currently the head shill for 
Trivedi. They're both probably considered On The 
Program.

The lesson to be learned from all of this is that 
the *effective* definition of MMY's "Tell only the 
sweet truth" seems to be "Lie."






  

[FairfieldLife] Re: Saints coming to Fairfield

[WillyTex]

yifuxero:
> No! Karunamayi and the Hugging Saint are 
> not Neo-Advaitins...
>
So, why is Karunamayi NOT a Neo-Advaitin?

This should be an easy question to answer 
if you are an Advaitin. According to Sarlo's
Guru Rating Service, Amma is a Neo-Tantric.

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ken Wilber on Trivedi

[Rick Archer]

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of wayback71
Sent: Monday, June 28, 2010 8:46 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ken Wilber on Trivedi
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 , "Rick Archer"  wrote:
>
> From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com

[mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 ]
> On Behalf Of wayback71
> Sent: Monday, June 28, 2010 4:28 PM
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 

> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ken Wilber on Trivedi
> 
> 
> Does anyone from the TMO stand and watch who enters the arena to see these
> saints? Are they writing down names and then reporting them back to
> headquarters? Do people still get called in and scolded or worse for
seeing
> people like Amma, Trivedi? I wonder if those days have passed.
> They haven't. Some people sneak in the back door. A friend of mine just
got
> fired from his movement job for going to see Karunamayi. His car was
spotted
> parked among the others at her homa.
>

That is a shame. So there must be people who still feel it their duty to
report on others. Thing is, I doubt anyone outside of the small inner circle
cares at all if someone is going to see other saints, or thinks less of
people who do so. I recall hearing here on FFL that Ketih Wallace and a few
others had gone to see some healer guy (John someone) and had good results
regarding a health issue. 
 
True. It was Lyme Disease. And so did a woman who has been one of the most
devoted, dedicated, enthusiastic MUM staff members for many years. Bevan
recently fired her because of her involvement with John Douglass. I guess he
didn't have the balls to fire Keith.
 
I assumed that meant things were more relaxed. There were many years where
seeing Jerry Jarvis was practically OTP, and now he is accepted, more or
less.
 
Certain of the bigwigs are enjoying a nostalgia phase. I'm sure that if
Jerry got too "creative", he be out again.
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Neo-Advaita disease - Satsangus teacheritis

[WillyTex]

> There's not much advaita to it so I 
> > don't call it neo-advaita...
> >
TurquoiseB 
> As if being a "real" Advaitan was a good thing.
>
Being a 'real' Advaitan like Ramana Maharishi means
that you have given up the dualistic, materialistic
point-of-view, and you accept that there is only one 
non-dual Absolute Truth, not many. 
 
> How many Advaitans does it take to screw in a 
> light bulb?
> Four:
> - One to screw it in.
> - One to not screw it in.
> - One to both screw it in and not screw it in.
>
There is a redundant statement in this little 
limerick. Who can spot it? 

> - One too neither screw it in nor not screw it in.
> 
There is only one Advaitan to screw - not four. The 
others are illusory. You have mis-stated the Advaita 
position, so this is a logical fallacy.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Seeing the Saints

[ditzyklanmail]

What if someone has "rock star" or "movie star" status?
They seem to be exempt from the list of who to remove?






From: TurquoiseB 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, 29 June, 2010 7:41:17 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Seeing the  Saints

  
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "wayback71"  wrote:
>
> Yep, I did notice someone had stopped by
> the Karunamayi Homa who had previously
> helped 'report' out someone else to DEVCO
> and got them removed from the dome program
> for seeing other saints.
> She stood in a couple different places for 
> 4 or 5 minutes with sunglasses on
> and then left.  She is of a 
> temperament that people "need
> to make choices".
> 
> Evidently by Rick's report about
> someone losing their job with the TMmovement, things
> have not changed
> within the Tmo. 

What is fascinating to me is how much things have
not changed in terms of hypocrisy. Back in 1978 I 
was going out with a woman who single-handedly 
ended several TM teachers' careers within the TM
movement by "reporting them" to the TMO authorities
for the similar but lesser sin of "reading books 
that have been declared Off The Program" so that 
they would be kept from going to courses and never 
allowed to teach again. She too used the phrase 
"People need to make choices." I remember it 
clearly because that statement marked the end
of my romantic interest in her.

Several years later I ran into this same woman in
Chicago and she dragged me with her to see Karunamayi, 
carefully checking before going in to make sure no 
one else was there who would report *her* to the 
TMO. And her brother is currently the head shill for 
Trivedi. They're both probably considered On The 
Program.

The lesson to be learned from all of this is that 
the *effective* definition of MMY's "Tell only the 
sweet truth" seems to be "Lie."


 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ondine [movie]

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Joe"  wrote:
> >
> > Willy, I'd say about 99% of yours begin with the word "So," 
> > followed by some inane piece of SillyWilly-crazed "logic" 
> > that to everyone here comes off as a desperate troll for 
> > attention.
> > 
> > I don't have a lot of time on my hands to spend wandering 
> > around every post on FFL. However, when moved, I do post, 
> > generally about music. 
> > 
> > I can go away from FFL for months at a time. When I drop 
> > back in, two things, like death and taxes, are givens: Judy 
> > will be obsessing about Barry, and you'll be writing something 
> > along the lines of:
> > 
> > "So, you believe that pedophilia is OK for everyone. You're not 
> > making any sense today. You need to get some smarts since you 
> > sound real angry from the waxing that bla-bla gave you yesterday.
> > 
> > Go Figure"
> > 
> > You call these your "favorite phrases". Dude, I'm sorry to inform 
> > youthese are your ONLY phrases.
> > 
> > I completely understand why Curtis bailed. He was bored to death.
> 
> It is worth pointing out that with regard to one 
> of these "death and taxes" inevitabilities, when
> I was off enjoying Paris for a few days instead
> of reading or writing to FFL, she could think of
> almost nothing to say.

Translation: The only posts of mine Barry actually
*notices* are those that are about him. If they're
about anything else--like, say, the oil spill in the
Gulf--they're "nothing," of no consequence.



(Notice that Joe's post was about WillyTex and
mentioned me only in passing in the middle of the
post, but Barry was so focused on that passing
mention he simply referred to me as "she.")

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No one starting TM or "Dome-ing"? Rewrite the sales brochure.

[Don Miller]

Good post Turquoise,

I live in a pueblo of 150,000 people with a beautiful climate, good economy (no 
extreme poverty) and low prices, and am one of only 3 persons from the U.S. 
(who were born in the US).  It causes a lot of attention to be focused on me, 
but that is mostly a good thing because these people are not nearly so racist 
fearful and hating as I knew people in all parts of the US to be.  The extra 
dose of attention that I get from people is a tool that helps me to refine my 
senses of what is really real of the invisible spiritual energetic world, which 
I am doing completely on my own with my own personal experience, after years of 
simply reading and hearing the words of others.  And that are the lines of 
attention which are the basis of all of our awareness, but first of all 
recoginzed in common situations, like when one feels that another is looking at 
them, and through subtle analysis can be discerned the thoughts and life 
experience of others.

As far as all the talk about following others, and worrying about what so and 
so organization would feel about it, it all seems so juvinile and limited that 
I can't imagine how any of those people are fufilling their prime objective, 
which is to pay honor to their personal spirit and intuition of what to do and 
when.  One should be more like a pirate and do things for personal objectives, 
and so long as one is not hurting anyone, to hell with anyone who would tell us 
to otherwise.  Anything is worth a try, but don't place yourself in a trap 
which is purely for the benefit of others.  Nobody else is going to make you 
enlightened.  If you can't do it on your own and put it in your own unique 
words based only on personal experience, that is to rightly claim the knowlege 
and take credit for it, then it can't be of much value.

BTW, don't waste your attention worrying about the world.  It's going to hell 
in a handbasket and to think that one can do anything substantial about it is 
masturbating in self importance, which is what the Maharishi was doing.  That 
is why he was half blind to energetic realities.





From: TurquoiseB 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, June 29, 2010 1:42:22 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: No one starting TM or "Dome-ing"? Rewrite the 
sales brochure.

  
Ya know that Edg has reached the bottom of his
already-small intellectual barrel when he has to
try the "shame the ex-pat for running away from
his country" routine. :-)

Anyone who still identifies with nationalism and
thinks of themselves in terms of loyalty to the
patch of dirt they were born on and the glory of
staying on it deserves the life they get. Others
travel, and identify only with what travels with
them -- their selves and the Self.

If one were to treat their pronouncements as some
kind of rule or truism, then Edg Duveyoung and 
Judy Stein and Willytex -- the ones who have so
often repeated this tired old misplaced jealousy
of those who got the hell out of Dodge represent 
with their lives and the way they walk *their* 
walk the "happiness karma" of nationalism and 
"staying put" in one's country of birth. You do
the math.

Mark Twain said, "Travel is fatal to prejudice, 
bigotry, and narrow-mindedness." I wouldn't go so
far as to say "fatal," but it sure can put a dent
in the armor of prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-
mindedness in my opinion. Others feel that they
should stay at home and polish their armor. Again,
use your assessment of their own happiness levels
to judge the effectiveness of their stay-at-home
philosophy.

As input for those of the Edg-Judy-Willytex School
of Just Stay Put And Glory In Being American as an
excuse for why they're too lazy to see the rest of
the world and experience what it might be like to
live there, I pass along the information that the
Americans who actually *do* travel are regarded
these days by people in the rest of the world as
a curious anomaly, and one worthy of interest and
potential friendship. It is so rare to see a real,
live American living in so many places in the world 
that the presence of one indicates that this is 
someone who has chose to Find Out For Himself 
rather than sit at home in front of the TV and the 
computer and claim that they know what the elephant 
of the world is like by feeling the screen.

"Six wise, blind elephants were discussing what humans 
were like. Failing to agree, they decided to determine 
what humans were like by direct experience. The first 
wise, blind elephant felt the human, and declared, 
'Humans are flat.' The other wise, blind elephants, 
after similarly feeling the human, agreed." :-)

Edg, you'd do better to stick to trying to demonize
me as an unrepentant sexual predator than as a cowardly
American ex-pat. More people in the world mindlessly 
agree that the former is evil these days than the latter,
which is actually regarded as an indicator of sanity. :-)

Or, you could be honest for once and try to diss me for

[FairfieldLife] Re: No one starting TM or "Dome-ing"? Rewrite the sales brochure.

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
>
> Ya know that Edg has reached the bottom of his
> already-small intellectual barrel when he has to
> try the "shame the ex-pat for running away from
> his country" routine.  :-)
> 
> Anyone who still identifies with nationalism and
> thinks of themselves in terms of loyalty to the
> patch of dirt they were born on and the glory of
> staying on it deserves the life they get. Others
> travel, and identify only with what travels with
> them -- their selves and the Self.

And still others travel to *escape* the self, never
allowing themselves to recognize that the misery that
drives them to seek refuge in one country after
another is a function of *who* they are rather than
*where* they are.

Such people tend to move compulsively from place to
place, never finding satisfaction in where they plant
themselves, never able to put down roots *because*
the unhappiness of their self travels with them. You
can usually identify this type of perennial traveler
by the way they trash wherever they came from in an
attempt to convince themselves they have good reason
to be constantly on the move.

> If one were to treat their pronouncements as some
> kind of rule or truism, then Edg Duveyoung and 
> Judy Stein and Willytex -- the ones who have so
> often repeated this tired old misplaced jealousy
> of those who got the hell out of Dodge

See, one of Barry's Rules is that criticism of
anything he does is due to Jealousy. (Not sure what
"misplaced jealousy" is. If the purported jealousy
is indeed misplaced, it must be because there isn't
anything in Barry's life to be jealous *of*. I smell
a Freudian slip here, but let's set that aside for
now.)

As with all the rest of Barry's Rules, it applies only
to others, never to him. Thus his "shame those who don't
run away from their country" routine cannot possibly be
due to Jealousy of those who never found living in the
land of their birth so uncomfortable they had to leave
it permanently.


> As input for those of the Edg-Judy-Willytex School
> of Just Stay Put And Glory In Being American as an
> excuse for why they're too lazy to see the rest of
> the world and experience what it might be like to
> live there,

Oooopsie. Lived in Munich for a year when I was
younger, traveled all over Europe. Loved it. May do
it again after I retire. Won't likely *stay* abroad;
I like it here too, and I have roots here that I
cherish.

But I've never "gloried in being American" any more
than I would ever "glory in being an expat and
constantly trashing my native country" the way Barry
does.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Seeing the Saints

[sgrayatlarge]

This is what the age of enlightenment looks like

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
> >
> >  A friend of mine just got
> > fired from his movement job for going to see Karunamayi. His car was spotted
> > parked among the others at her homa.
> >
> 
> That is extremely sad news.
> It's so mean-spirited.  & Means
> also they evidently have not changed.
> It's so sad and cold.  
> The TM policy seems unchanged as,  'don't ask, don't tell', if
> you want to serve in the TM-movement.
> 
> Jai Adi Shankara,
> -Buck
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Seeing the Saints

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "wayback71"  wrote:
>
> Yep, I did notice someone had stopped by
> the Karunamayi Homa who had previously
> helped 'report' out someone else to DEVCO
> and got them removed from the dome program
> for seeing other saints.
> She stood in a couple different places for 
> 4 or 5 minutes with sunglasses on
> and then left.  She is of a 
> temperament that people "need
> to make choices".
> 
> Evidently by Rick's report about
> someone losing their job with the TMmovement, things
> have not changed
> within the Tmo.   

What is fascinating to me is how much things have
not changed in terms of hypocrisy. Back in 1978 I 
was going out with a woman who single-handedly 
ended several TM teachers' careers within the TM
movement by "reporting them" to the TMO authorities
for the similar but lesser sin of "reading books 
that have been declared Off The Program" so that 
they would be kept from going to courses and never 
allowed to teach again. She too used the phrase 
"People need to make choices." I remember it 
clearly because that statement marked the end
of my romantic interest in her.

Several years later I ran into this same woman in
Chicago and she dragged me with her to see Karunamayi, 
carefully checking before going in to make sure no 
one else was there who would report *her* to the 
TMO. And her brother is currently the head shill for 
Trivedi. They're both probably considered On The 
Program.

The lesson to be learned from all of this is that 
the *effective* definition of MMY's "Tell only the 
sweet truth" seems to be "Lie."

[FairfieldLife] Seeing the Saints

[Buck]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "wayback71"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
> >
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ken Wilber on Trivedi
> >  
> >   
> > Does anyone from the TMO stand and watch who enters the arena to see these
> > saints? Are they writing down names and then reporting them back to
> > headquarters? Do people still get called in and scolded or worse for seeing
> > people like Amma, Trivedi? I wonder if those days have passed.


> > They haven't. Some people sneak in the back door. A friend of mine just got
> > fired from his movement job for going to see Karunamayi. His car was spotted
> > parked among the others at her homa.
> >

Yep, I did notice someone had stopped by
the Karunamayi Homa who had previously
helped 'report' out someone else to DEVCO
and got them removed from the dome program
for seeing other saints.
She stood in a couple different places for 
4 or 5 minutes with sunglasses on
and then left.  She is of a 
temperament that people "need
to make choices".

Evidently  by Rick's report about
someone losing their job with the TMmovement, things
 have not changed
within the Tmo.   

> 
> That is a shame.  So there must be people who still feel it their duty to 
> report on others.  Thing is, I doubt anyone outside of the small inner circle 
> cares at all if someone is going to see other saints, or thinks less of 
> people who do so. I recall hearing here on FFL that Ketih Wallace and a few 
> others had gone to see some healer guy (John someone) and had good results 
> regarding a health issue.  I assumed that meant things were more relaxed.  
> There were many years where seeing Jerry Jarvis was practically OTP, and now 
> he is accepted, more or less.
>

[FairfieldLife] John Cleese explains football to Americans who call it soccer

[TurquoiseB]

Not to be missed. The truth, the whole truth and
nothing but the truth as only John Cleese can tell it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sD_8prYOxo

[FairfieldLife] No sex in space? Yeah, right.

[TurquoiseB]

Once again, the Russians have beaten the Americans not only in the space
race, but in the being-able-to-deal-with-sexuality-intelligently race.
It has been pretty common knowledge since the earliest Russian space
stations that the Cosmonauts got naughty.

And when you think about it, who is *not* going to give it a try, given
the challenge? Which is more of an achievement, after all -- being the
40th or 50th human in space, or being the 1st two to try Zero-G sex?
This guy sounds like either the Edg Duveyoung or JohnR of space ("The
thought of having sex would never occur to me...that would make me less
of a man") or the Bill Clinton of space ("I did not have sex with that
alien...I just offered her a puff on my cigar").  At least his name is
appropriate...what a Poindexter.   :-)

Sex Banned Aboard International Space Station: NASA Commander

You can forget joining the 200-mile high club. NASA commander Alan
Poindexter told a reporter who asked about "the consequences if
astronauts boldly went where  probably no others have been"
  that sexual intercourse is not  permitted aboard the
International Space Station.

"We are professionals," Poindexter said.

"We treat each other with respect and we have a great working 
relationship. Personal relationships are not [...] an issue," he 
explained. "We don't have them and we won't."

The question about sexual relations in space came after an April mission
 that put a record four women in  orbit--the most women in
space ever. Three women aboard the Discovery  joined another women and
four men aboard the International Space  Station.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Argentina, soccer and YF?

[cardemaister]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hermandan0  wrote:
>
> It did a lot for the USA didn't it? 

Well, as a Finn, ice-hockey is my game (I'm/was at least a fairly
good skater, despite my rather poor balance, or stuff. Go figure!). I'm only 
marginally interested in soccer.

But I believe the USA did rather/extremely well...??


> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > If there are "enough" active Yffers in Argentina at the moment,
> > Germany prolly has no chances of winning there mutual game?
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ondine [movie]

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Joe"  wrote:
>
> Willy, I'd say about 99% of yours begin with the word "So," 
> followed by some inane piece of SillyWilly-crazed "logic" 
> that to everyone here comes off as a desperate troll for 
> attention.
> 
> I don't have a lot of time on my hands to spend wandering 
> around every post on FFL. However, when moved, I do post, 
> generally about music. 
> 
> I can go away from FFL for months at a time. When I drop 
> back in, two things, like death and taxes, are givens: Judy 
> will be obsessing about Barry, and you'll be writing something 
> along the lines of:
> 
> "So, you believe that pedophilia is OK for everyone. You're not 
> making any sense today. You need to get some smarts since you 
> sound real angry from the waxing that bla-bla gave you yesterday.
> 
> Go Figure"
> 
> You call these your "favorite phrases". Dude, I'm sorry to inform 
> youthese are your ONLY phrases.
> 
> I completely understand why Curtis bailed. He was bored to death.

It is worth pointing out that with regard to one 
of these "death and taxes" inevitabilities, when
I was off enjoying Paris for a few days instead
of reading or writing to FFL, she could think of
almost nothing to say. 

The problem with being completely reactive is that
when the thing you've been reacting to goes away,
it becomes obvious very quickly that you have 
nothing of your own to say, and can *only* react.

I stick around so that these guys can pretend to
have something to say. It's my path in life -- the
Dr. House Dharma. :-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Neo-Advaita disease - Satsangus teacheritis

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Yifu Xero  wrote:
>
> from http://www.enlightened-spirituality.org/neo-advaita.html
> 
> [The following is an analysis of what has come to be called 
> “Advaita Syndrome” or “Advaita Disease,” written by a 
> philosophical counselor, Greg Goode (see his website: 
> www.heartofnow.com). This piece has often circulated anonymously, 
> but Greg is the author. He recently wrote to me:
> "Dear Timothy... Writing about these satsang conceits was 
> inspired by several years of close observation of the zoological 
> type satsangus teacheritis. I used to visit and hang with two or 
> three satsang teachers per month for several years as they came 
> through NYC [New York City]. Boy could I tell you stories. I bet 
> you have some too! I'm glad to see your page on the craziness of 
> the neo-satsang movement. There's not much advaita to it so I 
> don't call it neo-advaita."] 

As if being a "real" Advaitan was a good thing.

How many Advaitans does it take to screw in a light bulb?
Four:
- One to screw it in.
- One to not screw it in.
- One to both screw it in and not screw it in.
- One too neither screw it in nor not screw it in.

:-)

The thing that amuses me even more than the Neo-Advaitan
"I've had a realization experience so I'm realized" act
is the Edg Duveyoung "I've never had a realization exper-
ience in my life but I understand Ramana Maharshi perfectly"
act. The former at least can be referred to as delusion 
based on subjective experience; the latter only as delusion
based on a complete misunderstanding of the intellect and 
its limitations, as well as an even more complete mis-
perception of the shallowness of the intellect making 
the claim.