date:20131102

One that might be of interest to those who seem compelled to "prove" how
much smarter they are than others. As a quote from the article and the
research it reports on says:

A recent  study by Yale's  Dan M. Kahan and colleagues might be thought
to call these  truisms of democratic political culture into question.
According to the  finding, the better you are at reasoning numerically,
the more likely you are to let your political bias skew your
quantitative reasoning. Put  another way, the brainier you are, the
better you can twist facts to  your own pre-existing convictions. And
that's what you will tend to do.
 
 

http://www.npr.org/blogs/13.7/2013/11/01/242138044/the-smarter-you-are-t\
he-stupider-you-are?ft=1&f=

[FairfieldLife] You don't need a God to have a church, or to evangelize

http://mag.newsweek.com/2013/11/01/atheism-evangelicals-christianity-rel\
igion.html

[FairfieldLife] Re: You don't need a God to have a church, or to evangelize

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "TurquoiseB"  wrote:
>
>
http://mag.newsweek.com/2013/11/01/atheism-evangelicals-christianity-rel\
igion.html



Related?

http://www.salon.com/2013/11/01/atheist_marriages_may_last_longer_than_c\
hristian_ones_partner/

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Girl from the North Country

Seraphita, ye gods and little fishes! One of the huge perks of aging is that 
I've gotten to see/hear the unfolding of artistic gifts in different artists in 
different fields. For example, the Beatles, Aaron Sorokin, the TV creator, 
Woody Allen and Susan Howatch, a novelist I've followed. 

Intellectually I realize that some of the later songs of the Beatles are way 
more accomplished, for example, Yesterday and Hey Jude. I appreciate them on 
that level but I still LOVE Things We Said Today. And mainly for the melody, 
the arrangement, though I like the lyrics too. The arrangement seems especially 
original to me. I also LOVE Long and Winding Road but I think that was 
McCartney's; and My Sweet Lord which was Harrison I think.

I'm currently watching the TV series Castle and even in this situation it's 
fascinating to realize that the artists involved don't hit a home run every 
single time. Nor do they need to because there's a consistency of excellence 
along with steady growth that's so gratifying to see.

Actually in her novels, Susan Howatch sometimes has a character talk about the 
creative process. The novels are usually about a clergyman in the Church of 
England undergoing a spiritual crisis (usually a woman in the picture too!) and 
so the creative process is discussed in this context. Juicy stuff! BTW, ye gods 
and little fishes I picked up in one of Howatch's novels (-:


As for being embarrassed by one's earlier creations, I'd say it takes courage 
to put it out there, get feedback, learn, create again and put it out there 
again. I also think it takes a certain innocent devotion to soul or spirit to 
continually create like this. Maybe that's what I really love about these 
artists, their courage and devotion.




On Friday, November 1, 2013 11:57 PM, "s3raph...@yahoo.com" 
 wrote:
 
  
Re "My favourite Beatles song is Things We Said Today.":

Ye gods! That's my favourite Beatles' song also! McCartney's love lyric to Jane 
Asher. We are obviously two very advanced human beings.

Lennon and Co later grew embarrassed about the cheesy love songs they'd written 
and set about expanding the themes they engaged with. I'm glad they did as 
they've left us such a fantastic catalogue to enjoy but in my (not-so-humble) 
opinion "Love" is always the best topic for a pop song and in Things We Said 
Today Paul really nailed it.

You say you will love me 
If I have to go 
You'll be thinking of me 
Somehow I will know. 
Someday when I'm lonely 
Wishing you weren't so far away 
Then I will remember 
Things we said today.  
You say you'll be mine, girl 
Till the end of time 
These days such a kind girl 
Seems so hard to find. 
Someday when we're dreaming 
Deep in love, not a lot to say 
Then we will remember 
Things we said today.

Me, I'm just the lucky kind 
Love to hear you say that love is luck 
And though we may be blind 
Love is here to stay and that's enough  
To make you mine, girl 
Be the only one. 
Love me all the time, girl 
We'll go on and on. 
Someday when we're dreaming 
Deep in love, not a lot to say 
Then we will remember 
Things we said today.  
Me, I'm just the lucky kind 
Love to hear you say that love is luck. 
Though we may be blind 
Love is here to stay and that's enough  
To make you mine, girl 
Be the only one. 
Love me all the time, girl 
We'll go on and on. 
Someday when we're dreaming 
Deep in love, not a lot to say 
Then we will remember 
Things we said today

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ev_XPaakW9Y





---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:


Seraphita, I remember I was puttering around my bedroom when I Wanna Hold Your 
Hand came on the radio. My whole being kind of perked up and payed attention. 
It was such a different sound from any other popular music of the time. But I 
really liked it. My favorite Beatles song is Things We Said Today.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9d-Z7vakj4s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9d-Z7vakj4s



On Friday, November 1, 2013 6:53 PM, "s3raphita@..."  wrote:
 
  
Re "I can still remember the first time I heardI Wanna Hold Your Hand. Goose 
bumps!":

The Beatles' I Wanna Hold Your Hand was released in October 63. 
Twelve months later The Kinks released All Day and All of the Night.  How short 
the age of innocence!


Shouldn't FFLifers be drawn to TM-themed tracks?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tjq9LmSO1eI 



---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:


I feel so lucky to have grown up in such an amazing time for music.  I can 
still remember the first time I heard I Wanna Hold Your Hand. Goose bumps! But 
Motown was also wonderful during my teen years as well as the protest music.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Another interesting article: the Identity Protective Cognition Thesis

Thanks for 2 fascinating articles, turq. I was realizing yesterday during the 
Clinton exchanges, that we humans like to think that we're being logical and 
reasonable and intelligent about our political choices. But I could feel in 
myself on subtler levels, that my conclusions about Hillary Clinton are not 
derived only from facts and observables and logic. So I agree with the author 
when he says at the end that education must aim at something more subtle and 
not so easy to measure. I'd add that often that something is also a challenge 
in terms of articulation. But it's great fun to keep attempting to articulate 
what's elusive and or complex. Yikes! I've slipped into preaching to the choir!





On Saturday, November 2, 2013 4:17 AM, TurquoiseB  wrote:
 
  
One that might be of interest to those who seem compelled to "prove" how much 
smarter they are than others. As a quote from the article and the research it 
reports on says:

A recent  study by Yale's  Dan M. Kahan and colleagues might be thought to call 
these 
truisms of democratic political culture into question. According to the 
finding, the better you are at reasoning numerically, the more likely you are 
to let your political bias skew your quantitative reasoning. Put another way, 
the brainier you are, the better you can twist facts to 
your own pre-existing convictions. And that's what you will tend to 
do.http://www.npr.org/blogs/13.7/2013/11/01/242138044/the-smarter-you-are-the-stupider-you-are?ft=1&f=

Re: [FairfieldLife] Another interesting article: the Identity Protective Cognition Thesis

Whoops! turq, thanks for THREE fascinating articles this morning. Whew, close 
call, good save, etc! 





On Saturday, November 2, 2013 6:28 AM, Share Long  wrote:
 
  
Thanks for 2 fascinating articles, turq. I was realizing yesterday during the 
Clinton exchanges, that we humans like to think that we're being logical and 
reasonable and intelligent about our political choices. But I could feel in 
myself on subtler levels, that my conclusions about Hillary Clinton are not 
derived only from facts and observables and logic. So I agree with the author 
when he says at the end that education must aim at something more subtle and 
not so easy to measure. I'd add that often that something is also a challenge 
in terms of articulation. But it's great fun to keep attempting to articulate 
what's elusive and or complex. Yikes! I've slipped into preaching to the choir!





On Saturday, November 2, 2013 4:17 AM, TurquoiseB  wrote:
 
  
One that might be of interest to those who seem compelled to "prove" how much 
smarter they are than others. As a quote from the article and the research it 
reports on says:

A recent  study by Yale's  Dan M. Kahan and colleagues might be thought to call 
these 
truisms of democratic political culture into question. According to the 
finding, the better you are at reasoning numerically, the more likely you are 
to let your political bias skew your quantitative reasoning. Put another way, 
the brainier you are, the better you can twist facts to 
your own pre-existing convictions. And that's what you will tend to 
do.http://www.npr.org/blogs/13.7/2013/11/01/242138044/the-smarter-you-are-the-stupider-you-are?ft=1&f=

[FairfieldLife] RE: You don't need a God to have a church, or to evangelize

At least they believe in something.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 
http://mag.newsweek.com/2013/11/01/atheism-evangelicals-christianity-religion.html
 
http://mag.newsweek.com/2013/11/01/atheism-evangelicals-christianity-religion.html

[FairfieldLife] Re: You don't need a God to have a church, or to evangelize

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u  wrote:
>
> At least they believe in something.

And that's a Good Thing?

I think everyone believes *something*. I certainly have beliefs,
and I suspect everyone else on this forum does, too.

One of my beliefs is that it may be crossing a line of spiritual
and social etiquette in the opposite direction of Good Thing
when what you believe becomes so important to you that
you feel the need to evangelize it.

> ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com
wrote:
>
> 
http://mag.newsweek.com/2013/11/01/atheism-evangelicals-christianity-rel\
igion.html

[FairfieldLife] Re: You don't need a God to have a church, or to evangelize



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "TurquoiseB"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u  wrote:
> >
> > At least they believe in something.
> 
> And that's a Good Thing?
> 
> I think everyone believes *something*. I certainly have beliefs,
> and I suspect everyone else on this forum does, too.
> 
> One of my beliefs is that it may be crossing a line of spiritual
> and social etiquette in the opposite direction of Good Thing
> when what you believe becomes so important to you that
> you feel the need to evangelize it.
> 
> 
> > ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com
> wrote:
> >
> > 
> http://mag.newsweek.com/2013/11/01/atheism-evangelicals-christianity-rel\
> igion.html 
>  ligion.html >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: You don't need a God to have a church, or to evangelize

I deleted an earlier version of this post that replied with
atypically (from me) blissful silence. Blame the cafe. It's
dark in here, and I hit the wrong key...

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "TurquoiseB"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u  wrote:
> >
> > At least they believe in something.
>
> And that's a Good Thing?
>
> I think everyone believes *something*. I certainly have beliefs,
> and I suspect everyone else on this forum does, too.
>
> One of my beliefs is that it may be crossing a line of spiritual
> and social etiquette in the opposite direction of Good Thing
> when what you believe becomes so important to you that
> you feel the need to evangelize it.

Now my real followup. I just re-read the article, and I don't
want it to seem like I'm dumping on either it or the group
it's about. I thought that the article was well-written, and
have no doubt that the people taking the Sunday Assemblies
on the road are well-intentioned.

Heck, I even like their credo. I doubt I could have done better
than, "Live better. Help often. Wonder more." That kinda
nails it, in six words.

I do wonder about their "message." To quote the article,
"This message is echoed throughout their events, that the joy
and  wonder of life should be experienced all the more
intensely because  there is no afterlife. Death is final, but
not to be feared, nor  anticipated as a realm where some
divine being will put right the  injustices endured in life."

I like that they probably feel they have no dogma,  but I
smell a little here. And I come away wondering if it
excludes me from their church.

I doubt they ever conceived of such a situation occurring.
>From their point of view, if you don't believe in God, you
believe as they do that death is final. I don't believe in a
God, but I sure as heck believe that death is not final. I
believe very strongly in reincarnation.

Would my views be welcome in their church, or heresy?

I honestly have no idea. I'm just rappin'. All of this is
Just My Opinion.

You guys are probably lucky I *don't* evangelize. If
I were the type of person who tries to convince others
to believe the same things he does, I'd found The
Blinding Light Church Of  Just My Opinion, Reformed.

At least no one would evangelize it, because it's credo
would be: "Like that other thing we've all got one of,
each of us has an opinion. That doesn't mean we should
run around like dogs demanding that others sniff ours."

:-)

[FairfieldLife] RE: Re: You don't need a God to have a church, or to evangelize

Yeah, that's a good thing, as long as it's life supporting. How about the teen 
age atheists of England?, they apparently don't believe in anything, and you 
know the old saying, "if you don't stand for something, you'll fall for 
anything". (Like the mess the world is in today.)

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u wrote:
 >
> At least they believe in something. 

 And that's a Good Thing?

I think everyone believes *something*. I certainly have beliefs,
and I suspect everyone else on this forum does, too. 

One of my beliefs is that it may be crossing a line of spiritual
and social etiquette in the opposite direction of Good Thing
when what you believe becomes so important to you that
you feel the need to evangelize it. 

 > ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: 
> 
> http://mag.newsweek.com/2013/11/01/atheism-evangelicals-christianity-religion.html
>  
> http://mag.newsweek.com/2013/11/01/atheism-evangelicals-christianity-religion.html
>

[FairfieldLife] RE: Growing up transgendered or, confused?

I found this story to be rather disturbing in that the 'parents' were acting 
more as 'enablers' (as well as the doctors). It reminded me of the fabled story 
of the Lost Continent of Atlantis where they were creating men that were half 
animal and half man. Ultimately nature (the Gods, or the laws of nature) 
destroyed Atlantis in an effort to maintain balance in the World.
 

 Transgendered Humans are 'mans' creation, not God's, as such it throws off the 
balance and equilibrium of what MMY called the "Divine Plan", these *hormone 
modified humans* are an invention of Man, can you imagine what will happen when 
we are able to make *genetically modified humans*, all kinds of freaks will 
appear unless we cooperate with natural law to the best of our ability to 
understand that law.
 

---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Thanks for posting.  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epDPui27QZQ 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epDPui27QZQ

[FairfieldLife] Influences

Earlier today I read an interesting interview with Keanu Reeves.
They were talking about his new movie as a director, and of
course they asked about his "influences."

I thought he did a good job with his answers; he's no dummy.
But it got me thinking about what my creative "influences"
might have been. Those humans or creative works that I
have identified with strongly, and thus might have shaped
my life.

They were too many to number, or discuss, until I started
wondering who or what might have inspired me to take up
my cafe lifestyle? Then, as synchronicity would have it, I
stumbled upon the following photo. It's an album cover
from 1981. I first discovered it while *sitting* in a cafe,
seeing it in the window of a record store across the street.

No influence there, nope. :-)

Of course, here in my Leiden cafe, my cigarette is electronic,
and the beer on my table comes in a brown bottle, and is
(ahem) better than his, but there IS a certain similarity.

And I, for one, can't feel bad about that, because Bruce's
credo has always been not to evangelize, just to "leave
footprints" in the form of cafe writings penned about
his travels through this mystery we call life.

He never asks anyone to follow them. But I guess I did.

 
[http://www.truenorthrecords.com/bin/albums/225/InnerCityFront_large.jpg\
]

http://www.truenorthrecords.com/bin/albums/225/InnerCityFront_large.jpg

[FairfieldLife] Re: Growing up transgendered or, confused?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u  wrote:
>
> I found this story to be rather disturbing in that the 'parents' were
acting more as 'enablers' (as well as the doctors). It reminded me of
the fabled story of the Lost Continent of Atlantis where they were
creating men that were half animal and half man. Ultimately nature (the
Gods, or the laws of nature) destroyed Atlantis in an effort to maintain
balance in the World.
>
>  Transgendered Humans are 'mans' creation, not God's, as such it
throws off the balance and equilibrium of what MMY called the "Divine
Plan", these *hormone modified humans* are an invention of Man, can you
imagine what will happen when we are able to make *genetically modified
humans*, all kinds of freaks will appear unless we cooperate with
natural law to the best of our ability to understand that law.

Who "knows" what "natural law" IS?

Do you?

How?

Did you believe someone who told you he or she "knew" what it was?

Why?




> ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, emilymaenot@ wrote:
>
>  Thanks for posting.
>
>
> ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com
wrote:
>
>  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epDPui27QZQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epDPui27QZQ
>

[FairfieldLife] RE: Re: You don't need a God to have a church, or to evangelize

 You don't need a God to have a church, or to evangelize
 ..I think everyone believes *something*. I certainly have beliefs,

 and I suspect everyone else on this forum does, too.  

 At least they believe in something. 

 No, not just “whatever”. Except that there are social beliefs that are 
spiritually healthful and then asocial individual beliefs that are unhealthy 
and harmfully bad. Manifestly. People need to be regulated by policy (church 
group?) to be able to live well together for their own safety. We've evolved 
that way. Ultimately that is why we have wise parents, teachers, and saints to 
teach us and then their administrators to evangelize us. We should thank the 
Unified Field for public education that saves us all from ignorance and 
progresses us on as a race spiritually. That is called acculturation in 
evolutionary altruism. We would be nothing without each other and learning how 
to live together with policy guidelines. Just t to say that everybody believes 
in something and that everything is fine is such whishy feely that begs the 
question of what things are in fact spiritually better for people. Public 
health policy. You may as well just go lay down in the mud and take your own 
step back in evolution if you don't agree with this.  We proly should be 
protected from you, your stinking corpse and that thinking if that is the case. 
 Jeesus that is crossing a line of spine-lessness. Son take a stand. Here in 
this church of FFL, you're either for meditation or against it. It is the part 
of a larger evolutionary altruism and a great fight of moral character. 
Evolutionarily, some people obviously are better at groups than other people. 
And, some times groups need to protect themselves from the asocial effect of 
bad fruitcakes only just to exist as groups for larger spiritually social 
benefit. I am all in favor of moderation, in the form of effective individual 
meditation, collectively for the greater good.  The science cries out for this 
very public policy for all our good.  Our experience cries out for this too.  
Change begins within but we need organization to affect evolution.  Are you 
with us?
 =Buck in the Dome 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u wrote:
 >
> At least they believe in something. 

 And that's a Good Thing?

I think everyone believes *something*. I certainly have beliefs,
and I suspect everyone else on this forum does, too. 

One of my beliefs is that it may be crossing a line of spiritual
and social etiquette in the opposite direction of Good Thing
when what you believe becomes so important to you that
you feel the need to evangelize it. 

 > ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: 
> 
> http://mag.newsweek.com/2013/11/01/atheism-evangelicals-christianity-religion.html
>  
> http://mag.newsweek.com/2013/11/01/atheism-evangelicals-christianity-religion.html
>

[FairfieldLife] RE: Growing up transgendered or, confused?

2013-11-02 Thread awoelflebater

Complicated subject wgm, and not one that you or I could give any definitive 
reading on. If you disagree with people modifying their bodies with surgery and 
hormones then you must certainly have a problem with those who use artificial 
limbs, indulge in plastic surgery, use hormones as a means of birth control or 
for treating prostate cancer (among other things), not to mention people who 
wear hair pieces. For that matter, allowing two separate humans procreate to 
create a third person who is a byproduct of two genetic pools might be a bit 
iffy...who knows if any of this would be in 'God's plan'. 
 

---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 I found this story to be rather disturbing in that the 'parents' were acting 
more as 'enablers' (as well as the doctors). It reminded me of the fabled story 
of the Lost Continent of Atlantis where they were creating men that were half 
animal and half man. Ultimately nature (the Gods, or the laws of nature) 
destroyed Atlantis in an effort to maintain balance in the World.
 

 Transgendered Humans are 'mans' creation, not God's, as such it throws off the 
balance and equilibrium of what MMY called the "Divine Plan", these *hormone 
modified humans* are an invention of Man, can you imagine what will happen when 
we are able to make *genetically modified humans*, all kinds of freaks will 
appear unless we cooperate with natural law to the best of our ability to 
understand that law.
 

---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Thanks for posting.  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epDPui27QZQ 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epDPui27QZQ

[FairfieldLife] Worth a Look

2013-11-02 Thread awoelflebater

This is only about 2 minutes long but I loved it.
 

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=73f_1382046958 
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=73f_1382046958

[FairfieldLife] RE: Another interesting article: the Identity Protective Cognition Thesis

Obviously Barry found the study of interest...

What interests me is that I can't recall anything anywhere near as numerically
complex as the question the study deals with ever having been discussed on FFL,
so no one here has ever had the opportunity to "prove" how much smarter they
are than others on that level of numerical reasoning.

Which means that Barry is only fantasizing about which members of FFL might be
numerate enough for this study to call their political reasoning in question.

I'm happy to say I'm not one of them; I'm blissfully innumerate. So he can
cross me off his list. Sorry, Barry. ;-)

Barry wrote:

One that might be of interest to those who seem compelled to "prove" how much
smarter they are than others. As a quote from the article and the research it
reports on says:
A recent study by Yale's Dan M. Kahan and colleagues might be thought to call
these truisms of democratic political culture into question. According to the
finding, the better you are at reasoning numerically, the more likely you are
to let your political bias skew your quantitative reasoning. Put another way,
the brainier you are, the better you can twist facts to your own pre-existing
convictions. And that's what you will tend to do.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/13.7/2013/11/01/242138044/the-smarter-you-are-the-stupider-you-are?ft=1&f=

[FairfieldLife] RE: You don't need a God to have a church, or to evangelize

We had these when I was growing up. We called them hootenannies.
 

 

Barry wrote:
 
 > http://mag.newsweek.com/2013/11/01/atheism-evangelicals-christianity-religion.html
 >  
 > http://mag.newsweek.com/2013/11/01/atheism-evangelicals-christianity-religion.html
 >

[FairfieldLife] Hell House

No, it's not in Fairfield. It *is* in Texas, but other than that this
article isn't about Fairfield Life. :-)

But it certainly is interesting. Try to imagine evangelizing for a
spiritual teacher and the only way you can think of to do it is to scare
the bejeezus out of people to lead them to Jeezus.

http://www.vice.com/read/the-best-little-hell-house-in-texas?utm_source=\
vicetumblrus


Those into "making connections," relate this to the article I posted
recently about 70% of Americans believing in Pure Evil, and the kinds of
things that belief convinced them they had the right to do to their
fellow human beings.

RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Another interesting article: the Identity Protective Cognition Thesis

Share wrote:
 (snip)
 > I was realizing yesterday during the Clinton exchanges, that we humans like 
 > to think that 
 > we're being logical and reasonable and intelligent about our political 
 > choices. But I could feel 
 > in myself on subtler levels, that my conclusions about Hillary Clinton are 
 > not derived only 
 > from facts and observables and logic.

 Um, that's what I was telling you yesterday and you were denying, Share. 
Especially in the case of politicians' private lives, there's more to them than 
"facts and observables and logic," and that more is what we cannot possibly 
know. So our conclusions are always going to be based on our fantasies of what, 
say, a couple's marriage is like. And if we then base our political choices on 
those fantasies ("doormat," "enabler"), we're more likely than not to go 
seriously astray.

[FairfieldLife] Re: All About Mantra and Japa

2013-11-02 Thread Richard Williams

In TM you get one bija mantra to meditate on. So, where does this bija
mantra come from? We do not know where or how the bija mantras came to be
formed, or how they ones used in TM came to be used - we can only
speculate. The origin of the TM bija mantras is not explained by Larry
Domash in big blue books.

History of TM:
http://tinyurl.com/34bras

So, let's review what we know:

Swami Brahmananda Saraswati was a dasanami sannyasin whose guru was Swami
Krishnananda Saraswati. So, SBS got the Saraswati bija mantra from SKS, who
got the same bija from his guru, passed on from a long line of gurus
founded by the Adi Shankaracharya in 800 Ad at Sringeri in Karnataka, India
- as the Sri Vidya sect. The Sringeri adherents worship the Sri Chakra, a
mystic diagram or mandala, used as a symbol for Saraswati, the Goddess of
Learning, with the TM bija mantras inscribed thereon.

The main spiritual scripture of the the Sri Vidya is the Soundaryalahari
attributed to Shankara, which enumerates the sixteen bija mantras used for
spiritual practice- meditation that is transcendental. All the Upanishad
thinkers were transcendentalists of one sort or another. According to the
Shankara tradition, Shankara visited Kashmere and brought the Trika to
South Asia along with a copy of the Sri Yantra and installed it at all the
Shankara maths, dedicated to Tripursundari, the Goddess of Speech. It is a
fact that the Sri Yantra is present at all the Shankara maths including the
math at Sringeri.

Are we agreed so far?

According to Bharati, one explanation for the origin of bija mantras is
that the mantra shows itself in a process of introspective sensory
perception, as a result of deep meditation; or through the grace of the
guru or the istadevata; bijas are either seen or heard,they are not the
result of discursive composition; bijas are revealed in a flash of insight,
as one complete unit; bijas are eternal and only revealed in time; as the
result of deep meditation or from performing japa; or as an act of grace
through supernatural initiation; or bijas may be drug induced.

Or,the bijas were concocted by some early yogins or other esoteric
illuminati when they conceived the idea of using verbal sound clusters
which are not intelligible to the non-initiate to mark off a circle of
adepts. According to Brhaspati, the founder of the Carvaka materialistic
school, bija mantras were made up that cunning priests and that the bijas
sole purpose was to fool gullible folks for their own aggrandizement and
that the tantric gurus were nothing but impostors, rogues and skrimshanks
passing off unintelligible nonsense gibberishfor words of wisdom - hocus
pocus.

Or, that bija mantras are the nick names of the istadevatas who are not
fond of being accosted by their actual names. Go figure.

Another hypothesis concerns the idea of sound vibration called 'spanda' in
Sanskrit: certain sounds are felt to have a special resonance or pitch.
This is the explanation given by MMY who stated that the bijas are sounds
"whose effects are known" from the experience of countless yogins over many
centuries. This may explain why MMY was so attracted to the teachings of
Kashmere tantrism and why MMY was so close to Swami Laksmajoo who taught
the Spanda vibration theory at the 1968 TTC in India.

Lama Govinda wrote that bija mantras are symbol or holy words transmitted
in an initiation that makes his personality vibrate in consonance with the
guru and the whole line of gurus and opens the initiate to higher states of
consciousness. MMY thought that TM and the use of bija mantras provided the
ideal opportunity for transcending and the expansion of consciousness.

Works cited:

'The Tantric Tradition'
by Agehanada Bharati
Rider, 1965
p. 112-15

'Foundations of Tibetan Mysticism'
by Lama Govinda
Rider, 1961
p. 90

On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 9:58 AM, Richard J. Williams
wrote:

> Before we get started we should provide a definition of mantra.
>
> While the term mantra is usually taken to mean phrases from the Vedas.
> However, bija mantras are not mentioned in the Rig Veda. Vedic mantras are
> Sanskrit words while bija mantras are 'seed sounds' with no semantic
> meaning. Bija mantras are given by a guru in an initiation and are thus
> empowered by the guru. Therefore, bija mantras are esoteric sound
> vibrations, not words found in a Sanskrit lexicon.
>
> 'Mantras' that are listed in books or that you read on the internet are
> not true bija mantras - they have no Shakti, and are thus powerless and
> ineffectual - they are just nonsense gibberish to the non-intiated.
> Woodroffe and Eliade both say unequivocally that the mantras have
> absolutely no semantic meaning.
>
> If you attach meaning to the bija mantra you will find yourself limited to
> the conscious thinking level of awareness. In contrast, a non-ideational
> mnemonic device, like an abstract bija or seed syllable provides the ideal
> opportunity for transcending. Bija mantras cannot be translated int

Re: [FairfieldLife] 3 liters of H2O per day -- minus 10 years!

Let's see, the Democrats have Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden as possible 
candidates for the next presidential election.


The Republicans have Ted Cruz, Scott Walker, Rick Perry, Marco Rubio, 
Nikki Haley, Chris Christie, Rand Paul, Bobby Jindal, Paul Ryan, Mike 
Pence, Rick Santorum, and Jeb Bush. Go figure.


Here are a six reasons I won't be supporting Hillary Clinton:

1. She was in favor of invading Afghanistan.
2. She was opposed to a  surge in Afghanistan.
3. She was in favor of invading Iraq.
4. She was opposed to the surge in Iraq.
5. She failed to protect the U.S. consulate in Benghazi.
6. She lied about the Benghazi attack and tried to cover it up, blaming 
it on a video.


You probably won't be this on MSNBC any time soon:

'Why is Hillary Clinton's popularity sliding?'
The Week:
http://theweek.com/hillary-clintons-popularity-sliding 



'New Poll Shows Democratic Incumbents in Big Trouble'
Newsbusters:
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/mother-jones-shocker 



On 11/1/2013 2:08 PM, Share Long wrote:


Ha! Just proves that Emily and Judy don't know me at all. I would 
never vote for Hillary because IMO she acted like a door mat when she 
didn't divorce Bill after the Monica affair.


On Fri, 11/1/13, emilymae...@yahoo.com  wrote:

Subject: RE: RE: RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] 3 liters of H2O per day 
-- minus 10 years!

To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, November 1, 2013, 1:49 PM

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Growing up transgendered or, confused?

William, a few responses to this. First of all, I think infinite Being gives 
birth to infinite universe, which means a heck of a lot of variety. I don't 
think there's any way to box infinity, either of Being or of its expression, 
the universe. 


Secondly, Mike D has offered the explanation that we all spend 3 lives as a 
man, then as a woman, alternating like that over and over. That the life after 
three lives as one gender can contain some remnant of those previous three 
lives as the opposite gender. What do you think?

Lastly, I've heard that Atlantis was creating horrible weapons and that's why 
it was destroyed.




On Saturday, November 2, 2013 8:08 AM, wgm4u  wrote:
 
  
I found this story to be rather disturbing in that the 'parents' were acting 
more as 'enablers' (as well as the doctors). It reminded me of the fabled story 
of the Lost Continent of Atlantis where they were creating men that were half 
animal and half man. Ultimately nature (the Gods, or the laws of nature) 
destroyed Atlantis in an effort to maintain balance in the World.

Transgendered Humans are 'mans' creation, not God's, as such it throws off the 
balance and equilibrium of what MMY called the "Divine Plan", these *hormone 
modified humans* are an invention of Man, can you imagine what will happen when 
we are able to make *genetically modified humans*, all kinds of freaks will 
appear unless we cooperate with natural law to the best of our ability to 
understand that law.


---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:


Thanks for posting.  


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epDPui27QZQ

RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] 3 liters of H2O per day -- minus 10 years!

2013-11-02 Thread sharelong60

Richard, why isn't Elizabeth Warren on your list? 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Let's see, the Democrats have Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden as possible 
candidates for the next presidential election.
 
 The Republicans have Ted Cruz, Scott Walker, Rick Perry, Marco Rubio, Nikki 
Haley, Chris Christie, Rand Paul, Bobby Jindal, Paul Ryan, Mike Pence, Rick 
Santorum, and Jeb Bush. Go figure. 
 
 Here are a six reasons I won't be supporting Hillary Clinton:
 
 1. She was in favor of invading Afghanistan.
 2. She was opposed to a  surge in Afghanistan.
 3. She was in favor of invading Iraq.
 4. She was opposed to the surge in Iraq.
 5. She failed to protect the U.S. consulate in Benghazi.
 6. She lied about the Benghazi attack and tried to cover it up, blaming it on 
a video.
 
 You probably won't be this on MSNBC any time soon:
 
 'Why is Hillary Clinton's popularity sliding?'
 The Week:
 http://theweek.com/hillary-clintons-popularity-sliding 
http://theweek.com/article/index/252160/why-is-hillary-clintons-popularity-sliding
 
 'New Poll Shows Democratic Incumbents in Big Trouble'
 Newsbusters:
 http://newsbusters.org/blogs/mother-jones-shocker 
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2013/11/01/mother-jones-shocker-new-poll-shows-democratic-incumbents-big-trouble#ixzz2jPrsL4lG
 
 On 11/1/2013 2:08 PM, Share Long wrote:
 
   Ha! Just proves that Emily and Judy don't know me at all. I would never vote 
for Hillary because IMO she acted like a door mat when she didn't divorce Bill 
after the Monica affair.
 
 On Fri, 11/1/13, emilymaenot@... mailto:emilymaenot@...  
mailto:emilymaenot@... wrote:
 
 Subject: RE: RE: RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] 3 liters of H2O per day -- minus 
10 years!
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Date: Friday, November 1, 2013, 1:49 PM

RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Growing up transgendered or, confused?

What the Universe gives birth to (Mother Nature) is different than what 'man' 
gives birth to often times, unless you think man has no freewill.
 

 CLutes expressed that opinion/view of the 3/3 lifetimes Man/Woman, it may be 
true, doesn't justify homosexuality or the view, "I was just born gay", there 
is nothing inherently wrong with an effeminate man, per se. As we sow, so shall 
we reap.
 

 Apparently the Atlantians were using Black Magic to create all forms of 
perversions, who really knows? :-)
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 William, a few responses to this. First of all, I think infinite Being gives 
birth to infinite universe, which means a heck of a lot of variety. I don't 
think there's any way to box infinity, either of Being or of its expression, 
the universe. 

 

 Secondly, Mike D has offered the explanation that we all spend 3 lives as a 
man, then as a woman, alternating like that over and over. That the life after 
three lives as one gender can contain some remnant of those previous three 
lives as the opposite gender. What do you think?
 

 Lastly, I've heard that Atlantis was creating horrible weapons and that's why 
it was destroyed.

 
 
 On Saturday, November 2, 2013 8:08 AM, wgm4u  wrote:
 
   I found this story to be rather disturbing in that the 'parents' were acting 
more as 'enablers' (as well as the doctors). It reminded me of the fabled story 
of the Lost Continent of Atlantis where they were creating men that were half 
animal and half man. Ultimately nature (the Gods, or the laws of nature) 
destroyed Atlantis in an effort to maintain balance in the World.
 

 Transgendered Humans are 'mans' creation, not God's, as such it throws off the 
balance and equilibrium of what MMY called the "Divine Plan", these *hormone 
modified humans* are an invention of Man, can you imagine what will happen when 
we are able to make *genetically modified humans*, all kinds of freaks will 
appear unless we cooperate with natural law to the best of our ability to 
understand that law.
 

---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Thanks for posting.  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epDPui27QZQ 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epDPui27QZQ

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Austerity for Americans begins today

Or, the reverse, that many here are seeking to curry favor with Judy,
the leader of the Snickers, except for the two Barrys who don't seem to
want to curry favor with anyone, so they too snicker a lot at everyone.
Go figure.

On 11/1/2013 11:38 PM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote:

No Share, you just have a nasty habit of attempting to curry favor
with any Tom, Dick and Harry who happen to be willing to listen. Come
on boys, give her a hand. (Was that a dirty thing to say?)

---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, wrote:

Mike, somehow, in the total context of your post, snickering does not
sound one iota as nasty as it does in the total context of Judy's
post. Maybe I'm prejudiced.

On Friday, November 1, 2013 7:47 PM, Mike Dixon wrote:
Sorry Share, I don't mean to get involved in your and Judy's feud but
I sure am snickering with Judy on that one.

*From:* "sharelong60@..."
*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Friday, November 1, 2013 5:36 PM
*Subject:* RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Austerity for Americans
begins today
I would bet that not one person on FFL is snickering at Bhairitu. But
admit that I'm still amazed at how much nastiness Judy can pack into
one short post.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
wrote:

*Er, Bhairitu...*
*
*
*No, never mind, I'll just let this sit here for people to snicker at: *
*
*
*Bhairitu bumbled:*

> Judy, the conspiracy theorist.

On 11/01/2013 12:30 PM, authfriend@...
wrote:

Yes, clearly the shooting incident was carefully planned to
distract attention from the food stamp cuts.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
,
mailto:fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
Well the TSA shooting at LAX which was between a couple of
TSA agents seems to have knocked off what should have been
the lead article on the news: the food stamp cuts that went
into effect today (how

convenient).http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/11/01/food-stamps-snap-cuts-farm-bill/3346341/
The war on the poor by the rich ramps up. Time to organize
and go after the rich. Let's party like it's Greece and Spain.

[FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Growing up transgendered or, confused?

BillyG wrote:
 

 > Transgendered Humans are 'mans' creation, not God's,
 

 Why do you think God would create a human being who from earliest childhood 
felt they were in the wrong body?
 

 

 

 as such it throws off the balance and equilibrium of what MMY called the 
"Divine Plan", these *hormone modified humans* are an invention of Man, can you 
imagine what will happen when we are able to make *genetically modified 
humans*, all kinds of freaks will appear unless we cooperate with natural law 
to the best of our ability to understand that law.
 

---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Thanks for posting.  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epDPui27QZQ 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epDPui27QZQ

[FairfieldLife] RE: Re: Growing up transgendered or, confused?

No, I don't know what Natural Law is in it's entirety, but common sense will 
tell you a lot! The best we can do is go by our traditions, our experience, our 
religions and our philosophies. 
 

 Like I said, we can only go by the best of our ability to understand that law, 
"for now we see things in a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now my 
knowledge is in part; then it will be complete, (even as God's knowledge of 
me).  1Corinthians13:12 
 

 Conscience will guide you/us.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
wgm4u wrote:
 >
 > I found this story to be rather disturbing in that the 'parents' were
 acting more as 'enablers' (as well as the doctors). It reminded me of
 the fabled story of the Lost Continent of Atlantis where they were
 creating men that were half animal and half man. Ultimately nature (the
 Gods, or the laws of nature) destroyed Atlantis in an effort to maintain
 balance in the World.
 >
 > Transgendered Humans are 'mans' creation, not God's, as such it
 throws off the balance and equilibrium of what MMY called the "Divine
 Plan", these *hormone modified humans* are an invention of Man, can you
 imagine what will happen when we are able to make *genetically modified
 humans*, all kinds of freaks will appear unless we cooperate with
 natural law to the best of our ability to understand that law.
 
 Who "knows" what "natural law" IS?
 
 Do you?
 
 How?
 
 Did you believe someone who told you he or she "knew" what it was?
 
 Why?
 
 
 
 
 > ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com mailto:fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, 
 > emilymaenot@ wrote:
 >
 > Thanks for posting.
 >
 >
 > ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 > fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com mailto:fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com
 wrote:
 >
 > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epDPui27QZQ 
 > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epDPui27QZQ
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epDPui27QZQ 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epDPui27QZQ
 >

RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Growing up transgendered or, confused?

BillyG wrote:

 > CLutes expressed that opinion/view of the 3/3 lifetimes Man/Woman, it may be 
 > true, doesn't justify 
 > homosexuality or the view, "I was just born gay", there is nothing 
 > inherently wrong with an effeminate man, 
 > per se.

 As you know, BillyG, many gay men are not the least bit effeminate, so that's 
a non sequitur.

 And weren't you "just born straight"? Would you call that a "view" that has to 
be justified?

[FairfieldLife] RE: Hell House

Not really a new idea - I remember Tiger Balm Gardens [Haw Par Villa], in 
Singapore. Saw it as a young child - made quite an impression! Looks like you 
Buddhists beat the Christians, in Texas, by a few decades, easy.

 

 from wikipedia.org: "The best known attraction in Haw Par Villa is the Ten 
Courts of Hell, which features gruesome depictions of Hell in Chinese mythology 
and Buddhism. This attraction used to be set inside a 60-metre long trail of a 
Chinese Dragon but the dragon has been demolished, so the attraction is now 
covered by grey stone walls."
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 No, it's not in Fairfield. It *is* in Texas, but other than that this article 
isn't about Fairfield Life. :-)

But it certainly is interesting. Try to imagine evangelizing for a spiritual 
teacher and the only way you can think of to do it is to scare the bejeezus out 
of people to lead them to Jeezus. 

http://www.vice.com/read/the-best-little-hell-house-in-texas?utm_source=vicetumblrus
 
http://www.vice.com/read/the-best-little-hell-house-in-texas?utm_source=vicetumblrus
 

Those into "making connections," relate this to the article I posted recently 
about 70% of Americans believing in Pure Evil, and the kinds of things that 
belief convinced them they had the right to do to their fellow human beings.

[FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Growing up transgendered or, confused?

You're talking apples and oranges, sorry, your comparisons don't work. Even 
both doctors in the video admitted that there is NO benchmark to establish the 
veracity of trangenderism, it's considered a disorder, it may very well be, but 
does that justify cutting off ones penis shaft? 
 

 The world at large is ignorant of that which brings REAL happiness, including 
the parents (who abdicated their parental role to a mere child) and the 
'Doctor' who later enabled this mixed up child to becomes neither a full MAN or 
WOMAN. It is now an *IT* or a hybrid if you will, not natural at all for the 
human kingdom IMHO.
 

 Doesn't mean you don't love someone like that or give them all the respect a 
human being deserves, for even the Bible admonishes us to love our neighbors as 
ourselves. This is a discussion about the subject, not an effort to be 
judgmental. 
 

 "And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest 
not the beam that is in thine own eye?" King James
 

 In a much more esoteric explanation, a human is more than just a 'physical'  
body, they have a *matrix* (the subtle etheric body) from which this human body 
is formed, "how do you change that???" That archetype determined that that 
physical body shall be male or female, nothing will change that, IMO and 
understanding.


 

 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Complicated subject wgm, and not one that you or I could give any definitive 
reading on. If you disagree with people modifying their bodies with surgery and 
hormones then you must certainly have a problem with those who use artificial 
limbs, indulge in plastic surgery, use hormones as a means of birth control or 
for treating prostate cancer (among other things), not to mention people who 
wear hair pieces. For that matter, allowing two separate humans procreate to 
create a third person who is a byproduct of two genetic pools might be a bit 
iffy...who knows if any of this would be in 'God's plan'. 
 

---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 I found this story to be rather disturbing in that the 'parents' were acting 
more as 'enablers' (as well as the doctors). It reminded me of the fabled story 
of the Lost Continent of Atlantis where they were creating men that were half 
animal and half man. Ultimately nature (the Gods, or the laws of nature) 
destroyed Atlantis in an effort to maintain balance in the World.
 

 Transgendered Humans are 'mans' creation, not God's, as such it throws off the 
balance and equilibrium of what MMY called the "Divine Plan", these *hormone 
modified humans* are an invention of Man, can you imagine what will happen when 
we are able to make *genetically modified humans*, all kinds of freaks will 
appear unless we cooperate with natural law to the best of our ability to 
understand that law.
 

---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Thanks for posting.  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epDPui27QZQ 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epDPui27QZQ

[FairfieldLife] RE: Re: You don't need a God to have a church, or to evangelize

Hey non-evangelist, evangelist, Have you ever actually *read* one of your own 
posts? You push you beliefs around here, like a steamroller. The pot calling 
the kettle black.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u wrote:
 >
> At least they believe in something. 

 And that's a Good Thing?

I think everyone believes *something*. I certainly have beliefs,
and I suspect everyone else on this forum does, too. 

One of my beliefs is that it may be crossing a line of spiritual
and social etiquette in the opposite direction of Good Thing
when what you believe becomes so important to you that
you feel the need to evangelize it. 

 > ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: 
> 
> http://mag.newsweek.com/2013/11/01/atheism-evangelicals-christianity-religion.html
>  
> http://mag.newsweek.com/2013/11/01/atheism-evangelicals-christianity-religion.html
>

[FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: Growing up transgendered or, confused?

Given the well intentioned, but chaotic writings of the book, it hardly seems 
appropriate to capitalize "the bible". 

It is considered scripture by many, but is such a mangled mess of 
consciousness, through endless additions and translations, that it provides 
little more than a series of deep thoughts. I would never take such an 
anecdotal collection as an authority, for anything. Common sense, experience, 
and reflection are far better teachers.
  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 You're talking apples and oranges, sorry, your comparisons don't work. Even 
both doctors in the video admitted that there is NO benchmark to establish the 
veracity of trangenderism, it's considered a disorder, it may very well be, but 
does that justify cutting off ones penis shaft? 
 

 The world at large is ignorant of that which brings REAL happiness, including 
the parents (who abdicated their parental role to a mere child) and the 
'Doctor' who later enabled this mixed up child to becomes neither a full MAN or 
WOMAN. It is now an *IT* or a hybrid if you will, not natural at all for the 
human kingdom IMHO.
 

 Doesn't mean you don't love someone like that or give them all the respect a 
human being deserves, for even the Bible admonishes us to love our neighbors as 
ourselves. This is a discussion about the subject, not an effort to be 
judgmental. 
 

 "And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest 
not the beam that is in thine own eye?" King James
 

 In a much more esoteric explanation, a human is more than just a 'physical'  
body, they have a *matrix* (the subtle etheric body) from which this human body 
is formed, "how do you change that???" That archetype determined that that 
physical body shall be male or female, nothing will change that, IMO and 
understanding.


 

 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Complicated subject wgm, and not one that you or I could give any definitive 
reading on. If you disagree with people modifying their bodies with surgery and 
hormones then you must certainly have a problem with those who use artificial 
limbs, indulge in plastic surgery, use hormones as a means of birth control or 
for treating prostate cancer (among other things), not to mention people who 
wear hair pieces. For that matter, allowing two separate humans procreate to 
create a third person who is a byproduct of two genetic pools might be a bit 
iffy...who knows if any of this would be in 'God's plan'. 
 

---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 I found this story to be rather disturbing in that the 'parents' were acting 
more as 'enablers' (as well as the doctors). It reminded me of the fabled story 
of the Lost Continent of Atlantis where they were creating men that were half 
animal and half man. Ultimately nature (the Gods, or the laws of nature) 
destroyed Atlantis in an effort to maintain balance in the World.
 

 Transgendered Humans are 'mans' creation, not God's, as such it throws off the 
balance and equilibrium of what MMY called the "Divine Plan", these *hormone 
modified humans* are an invention of Man, can you imagine what will happen when 
we are able to make *genetically modified humans*, all kinds of freaks will 
appear unless we cooperate with natural law to the best of our ability to 
understand that law.
 

---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Thanks for posting.  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epDPui27QZQ 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epDPui27QZQ

[FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: Growing up transgendered or, confused?

BillyG, you know, it's courteous to quote a bit of what you're responding to, 
or at least to identify the writer you're responding to. You don't do that, and 
it makes it look as though you don't want to actually have a discussion but 
rather only to make proclamations.

RE: RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Growing up transgendered or, confused?

I don't understand your question, what do you mean, "has to be justified"?, we 
are born with the proclivities we have created and deserve, period, nobody 
(God) hoists them upon us for some sick reason. If there are any mistakes, 
largely they are ours, it's called personal responsibility. This isn't our 
first life, we've lived many before and ultimately we will graduate from this 
lesson school.

 God HAS a plan, it's called by MMY the "Divine Plan".

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 BillyG wrote:

 > CLutes expressed that opinion/view of the 3/3 lifetimes Man/Woman, it may be 
 > true, doesn't justify 
 > homosexuality or the view, "I was just born gay", there is nothing 
 > inherently wrong with an effeminate man, 
 > per se.

 As you know, BillyG, many gay men are not the least bit effeminate, so that's 
a non sequitur.

 And weren't you "just born straight"? Would you call that a "view" that has to 
be justified?

[FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: RE: Growing up transgendered or, confused?

Think it should be "bhagavad gita" and "the veda" and "the upanishads" and "the 
koran" and "tao te ching" too? Or should we lower-case only the scriptures you 
don't like?

 How about "the declaration of independence"? "romeo and juliet"? "to kill a 
mockingbird"?

 How about "mein kampf"?

 Come on, man. Capitalizing a title doesn't signify approval of the contents.

Doc wrote:

 > Given the well intentioned, but chaotic writings of the book, it hardly 
 > seems appropriate to capitalize "the 
 > bible". 

It is considered scripture by many, but is such a mangled mess of 
consciousness, through endless additions and translations, that it provides 
little more than a series of deep thoughts. I would never take such an 
anecdotal collection as an authority, for anything. Common sense, experience, 
and reflection are far better teachers.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 You're talking apples and oranges, sorry, your comparisons don't work. Even 
both doctors in the video admitted that there is NO benchmark to establish the 
veracity of trangenderism, it's considered a disorder, it may very well be, but 
does that justify cutting off ones penis shaft? 

 The world at large is ignorant of that which brings REAL happiness, including 
the parents (who abdicated their parental role to a mere child) and the 
'Doctor' who later enabled this mixed up child to becomes neither a full MAN or 
WOMAN. It is now an *IT* or a hybrid if you will, not natural at all for the 
human kingdom IMHO.

 Doesn't mean you don't love someone like that or give them all the respect a 
human being deserves, for even the Bible admonishes us to love our neighbors as 
ourselves. This is a discussion about the subject, not an effort to be 
judgmental. 

 "And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest 
not the beam that is in thine own eye?" King James

 In a much more esoteric explanation, a human is more than just a 'physical'  
body, they have a *matrix* (the subtle etheric body) from which this human body 
is formed, "how do you change that???" That archetype determined that that 
physical body shall be male or female, nothing will change that, IMO and 
understanding.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Complicated subject wgm, and not one that you or I could give any definitive 
reading on. If you disagree with people modifying their bodies with surgery and 
hormones then you must certainly have a problem with those who use artificial 
limbs, indulge in plastic surgery, use hormones as a means of birth control or 
for treating prostate cancer (among other things), not to mention people who 
wear hair pieces. For that matter, allowing two separate humans procreate to 
create a third person who is a byproduct of two genetic pools might be a bit 
iffy...who knows if any of this would be in 'God's plan'. 

---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 I found this story to be rather disturbing in that the 'parents' were acting 
more as 'enablers' (as well as the doctors). It reminded me of the fabled story 
of the Lost Continent of Atlantis where they were creating men that were half 
animal and half man. Ultimately nature (the Gods, or the laws of nature) 
destroyed Atlantis in an effort to maintain balance in the World.

 Transgendered Humans are 'mans' creation, not God's, as such it throws off the 
balance and equilibrium of what MMY called the "Divine Plan", these *hormone 
modified humans* are an invention of Man, can you imagine what will happen when 
we are able to make *genetically modified humans*, all kinds of freaks will 
appear unless we cooperate with natural law to the best of our ability to 
understand that law.

---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Thanks for posting.  

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epDPui27QZQ 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epDPui27QZQ

[FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: RE: Growing up transgendered or, confused?

Sounds like you're trying to get back at me now for my, "..she played that card 
on me too" comment I made a few posts back! Tit for Tat huh Judy? Remember that 
"hugh" gaff I made a few months ago, yeah you do, thanks for bringing that to 
everyone's attention! (I meant hug).
 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 BillyG, you know, it's courteous to quote a bit of what you're responding to, 
or at least to identify the writer you're responding to. You don't do that, and 
it makes it look as though you don't want to actually have a discussion but 
rather only to make proclamations.

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Austerity for Americans begins today

Be careful where you step.  Judy has lost her marbles again.  Must be a 
sign of her advancing old age.


On 11/01/2013 03:13 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:


*Er, Bhairitu...*

*
*

*No, never mind, I'll just let this sit here for people to snicker at: *

*
*

*Bhairitu bumbled:*


> Judy, the conspiracy theorist.

On 11/01/2013 12:30 PM, authfriend@...  wrote:

Yes, clearly the shooting incident was carefully planned to distract 
attention from the food stamp cuts.




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
, 
 
 wrote:


Well the TSA shooting at LAX which was between a couple of TSA agents
seems to have knocked off what should have been the lead article on the
news: the food stamp cuts that went into effect today (how convenient).

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/11/01/food-stamps-snap-cuts-farm-bill/3346341/

The war on the poor by the rich ramps up. Time to organize and go
after the rich. Let's party like it's Greece and Spain.

RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Austerity for Americans begins today

She only has two.;-) 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Be careful where you step.  Judy has lost her marbles again.  Must be a sign 
of her advancing old age.
 
 On 11/01/2013 03:13 PM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote:
 
   Er, Bhairitu...
 
 
 No, never mind, I'll just let this sit here for people to snicker at: 
 
 
 Bhairitu bumbled:
 
 
 > Judy, the conspiracy theorist.
 
 On 11/01/2013 12:30 PM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote:
 
   Yes, clearly the shooting incident was carefully planned to distract 
attention from the food stamp cuts. 
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
 
 Well the TSA shooting at LAX which was between a couple of TSA agents 
 seems to have knocked off what should have been the lead article on the 
 news: the food stamp cuts that went into effect today (how convenient).
 
 
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/11/01/food-stamps-snap-cuts-farm-bill/3346341/
 
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/11/01/food-stamps-snap-cuts-farm-bill/3346341/
 
 The war on the poor by the rich ramps up. Time to organize and go 
 after the rich. Let's party like it's Greece and Spain.

RE: RE: RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Growing up transgendered or, confused?

BillyG wrote: 

 > I don't understand your question, what do you mean, "has to be justified"?

 You said that being born gay doesn't justify being gay. So what justifies your 
being straight? (If you are?)

 >, we are born with the proclivities we have created and deserve, period, 
 >nobody (God) hoists them upon us 
 > for some sick reason.

 I don't believe I suggested that.

 > If there are any mistakes, largely they are ours, it's called personal 
 > responsibility.

 Right. Maybe we have the responsibility to leave the judgments of what is a 
mistake and what isn't to God.

 > This isn't our first life, we've lived many before and ultimately we will 
 > graduate from this lesson school.

 > God HAS a plan, it's called by MMY the "Divine Plan".

 But you don't know what it is, do you, Mr. Jones?

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 BillyG wrote:

 > CLutes expressed that opinion/view of the 3/3 lifetimes Man/Woman, it may be 
 > true, doesn't justify 
 > homosexuality or the view, "I was just born gay", there is nothing 
 > inherently wrong with an effeminate man, 
 > per se.

 As you know, BillyG, many gay men are not the least bit effeminate, so that's 
a non sequitur.

 And weren't you "just born straight"? Would you call that a "view" that has to 
be justified?

[FairfieldLife] RE: Astrology in the New Testament

Why was it written that Jesus was born in a manger?
 

 Pedant's Corner: it's not written. It says instead "And she brought forth her 
firstborn son, and wrapped him in swaddling clothes, and laid him in a manger." 
Imagine Mary straddling a feeding trough to give birth.

 

---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Why was it written that Jesus was born in a manger?  Because he was born on 
December 25 which astrologically lies between the signs of Sagittarius, a 
horse, and Capricorn, the goat.  Interesting?  Bill Donohue explains more of 
his observations as follows: 

 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4M6j6DwBWBg&list=PL4HZ228v9duPReHJuT6prrAUc9BzFEo_t
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4M6j6DwBWBg&list=PL4HZ228v9duPReHJuT6prrAUc9BzFEo_t

[FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Growing up transgendered or, confused?

Oh, please. I've always had issues with your holier-than-thou moralistic 
pronouncements, as you well know. I was a bit shocked that you would lie about 
my making a spelling correction and calling it a rebuttal, but that had nothing 
to do with my comments on your posts today, sorry.

 (Just for the record, it wasn't "hug" you mispelled as "hugh," it was "huge.")

 BillyG wrote:

 > Sounds like you're trying to get back at me now for my, "..she played that 
 > card on me too" comment I made 
 > a few posts back! Tit for Tat huh Judy? Remember that "hugh" gaff I made a 
 > few months ago, yeah you 
 > do, thanks for bringing that to everyone's attention! (I meant hug).

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 BillyG, you know, it's courteous to quote a bit of what you're responding to, 
or at least to identify the writer you're responding to. You don't do that, and 
it makes it look as though you don't want to actually have a discussion but 
rather only to make proclamations.

RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Austerity for Americans begins today

Even when you call a gaffe to Bhairitu's attention, he doesn't see it. 

Bhairitu wrote:

 > Be careful where you step.  Judy has lost her marbles again.  Must be a sign 
 > of her advancing old age.

 On 11/01/2013 03:13 PM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote:

   Er, Bhairitu...

 No, never mind, I'll just let this sit here for people to snicker at: 

 Bhairitu bumbled:

 > Judy, the conspiracy theorist.

 On 11/01/2013 12:30 PM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote:

   Yes, clearly the shooting incident was carefully planned to distract 
attention from the food stamp cuts. 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:

 Well the TSA shooting at LAX which was between a couple of TSA agents 
 seems to have knocked off what should have been the lead article on the 
 news: the food stamp cuts that went into effect today (how convenient).

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/11/01/food-stamps-snap-cuts-farm-bill/3346341/

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/11/01/food-stamps-snap-cuts-farm-bill/3346341/

 The war on the poor by the rich ramps up. Time to organize and go 
 after the rich. Let's party like it's Greece and Spain.

RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Growing up transgendered or, confused?

I was talking about CLutes' suggestion about 3/3, it doesn't justify (or make 
un-sinful) what most scriptures condemn.  It may explain the condition, but 
even so, as I recall Mr. Lutes said it was 'willfulness' that created the 
imbalance, that's the whole story.

 How could *I* be gay if there is NO such thing! The real *I* is a sexless soul 
having a human experience in alternating bodies, both male and female. By gay 
if you mean by behavior, then I would say no.

 A person isn't Gay or Straight, that merely refers to their behavior NOT who 
they are inside. FWIW.

 God already makes the Judgments or right and wrong, so should we, unless we 
want to be like the rudderless ship soon to break upon the rocks of ignorance.

 I think I do know what is God's plan, don't YOU? after all of these years of 
meditation and exploration? Really?

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 BillyG wrote: 

 > I don't understand your question, what do you mean, "has to be justified"?

 You said that being born gay doesn't justify being gay. So what justifies your 
being straight? (If you are?)

 >, we are born with the proclivities we have created and deserve, period, 
 >nobody (God) hoists them upon us 
 > for some sick reason.

 I don't believe I suggested that.

 > If there are any mistakes, largely they are ours, it's called personal 
 > responsibility.

 Right. Maybe we have the responsibility to leave the judgments of what is a 
mistake and what isn't to God.

 > This isn't our first life, we've lived many before and ultimately we will 
 > graduate from this lesson school.

 > God HAS a plan, it's called by MMY the "Divine Plan".

 But you don't know what it is, do you, Mr. Jones?

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 BillyG wrote:

 > CLutes expressed that opinion/view of the 3/3 lifetimes Man/Woman, it may be 
 > true, doesn't justify 
 > homosexuality or the view, "I was just born gay", there is nothing 
 > inherently wrong with an effeminate man, 
 > per se.

 As you know, BillyG, many gay men are not the least bit effeminate, so that's 
a non sequitur.

 And weren't you "just born straight"? Would you call that a "view" that has to 
be justified?

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Re: You don't need a God to have a church, or to evangelize

Doc, I had a similar thought about turq. So, the question for me is: what makes 
a person an evangelist, even of not being an evangelist? I'd say how attached 
to or averted by or gripped by the thought or believe or POV or emotion or 
state one is. I actually think it's hard to see not only in ourselves, but also 
in others.

On Saturday, November 2, 2013 10:33 AM, "doctordumb...@rocketmail.com" 
 wrote:

Hey non-evangelist, evangelist, Have you ever actually *read* one of your own 
posts? You push you beliefs around here, like a steamroller. The pot calling 
the kettle black.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u  wrote:

>
>> At least they believe in something. 
>
>And that's a Good Thing?

I think everyone believes *something*. I certainly have beliefs,
and I suspect everyone else on this forum does, too. 

One of my beliefs is that it may be crossing a line of spiritual
and social etiquette in the opposite direction of Good Thing
when what you believe becomes so important to you that
you feel the need to evangelize it. 

> ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: 
>> 
>> http://mag.newsweek.com/2013/11/01/atheism-evangelicals-christianity-religion.html
>>   
>
>

RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Growing up transgendered or, confused?

2013-11-02 Thread sharelong60

William, I've been catching up with my Mom this morning so haven't been able to 
reply until now. Also I've got that knowledge meeting this afternoon. Anyway, 
thanks for your reply and I'll say more later but for now: who knows what 
really happened in Atlantis? Why, those of us who were there and remember! 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 What the Universe gives birth to (Mother Nature) is different than what 'man' 
gives birth to often times, unless you think man has no freewill.
 

 CLutes expressed that opinion/view of the 3/3 lifetimes Man/Woman, it may be 
true, doesn't justify homosexuality or the view, "I was just born gay", there 
is nothing inherently wrong with an effeminate man, per se. As we sow, so shall 
we reap.
 

 Apparently the Atlantians were using Black Magic to create all forms of 
perversions, who really knows? :-)
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 William, a few responses to this. First of all, I think infinite Being gives 
birth to infinite universe, which means a heck of a lot of variety. I don't 
think there's any way to box infinity, either of Being or of its expression, 
the universe. 

 

 Secondly, Mike D has offered the explanation that we all spend 3 lives as a 
man, then as a woman, alternating like that over and over. That the life after 
three lives as one gender can contain some remnant of those previous three 
lives as the opposite gender. What do you think?
 

 Lastly, I've heard that Atlantis was creating horrible weapons and that's why 
it was destroyed.

 
 
 On Saturday, November 2, 2013 8:08 AM, wgm4u  wrote:
 
   I found this story to be rather disturbing in that the 'parents' were acting 
more as 'enablers' (as well as the doctors). It reminded me of the fabled story 
of the Lost Continent of Atlantis where they were creating men that were half 
animal and half man. Ultimately nature (the Gods, or the laws of nature) 
destroyed Atlantis in an effort to maintain balance in the World.
 

 Transgendered Humans are 'mans' creation, not God's, as such it throws off the 
balance and equilibrium of what MMY called the "Divine Plan", these *hormone 
modified humans* are an invention of Man, can you imagine what will happen when 
we are able to make *genetically modified humans*, all kinds of freaks will 
appear unless we cooperate with natural law to the best of our ability to 
understand that law.
 

---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Thanks for posting.  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epDPui27QZQ 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epDPui27QZQ

[FairfieldLife] MANICHAEAN VIEWS OF BUDDHISM

2013-11-02 Thread emptybill

 
No wonder the Near-Eastern realm got so mixed up.   
 It seems that as Manichean ideology spread to the East it incorporated 
Buddhist concepts along the way in a effort to show the superiority of the 
"Religion of Light." Mani lived during the third century of the current era. 
Mani used the epitaph "Buddha of Light" and identified himself as Maitreya. He 
and his followers specifically borrowed from early Pure Land Sutras and 
Nagarjuna's Madhyamaka philosophy. As it entered the region of Gandhara and 
spread to China it used the Buddhist Hinayana tradition to support its views of 
"matter, the body and the world."
 MANICHAEAN VIEWS OF BUDDHISM
 

 David A. Scott 

 Christ Church College of Higher Education

[FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Growing up transgendered or, confused?

Huh? No, just the bible. 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Think it should be "bhagavad gita" and "the veda" and "the upanishads" and 
"the koran" and "tao te ching" too? Or should we lower-case only the scriptures 
you don't like?

 How about "the declaration of independence"? "romeo and juliet"? "to kill a 
mockingbird"?

 How about "mein kampf"?

 Come on, man. Capitalizing a title doesn't signify approval of the contents.

Doc wrote:

 > Given the well intentioned, but chaotic writings of the book, it hardly 
 > seems appropriate to capitalize "the 
 > bible". 

It is considered scripture by many, but is such a mangled mess of 
consciousness, through endless additions and translations, that it provides 
little more than a series of deep thoughts. I would never take such an 
anecdotal collection as an authority, for anything. Common sense, experience, 
and reflection are far better teachers.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 You're talking apples and oranges, sorry, your comparisons don't work. Even 
both doctors in the video admitted that there is NO benchmark to establish the 
veracity of trangenderism, it's considered a disorder, it may very well be, but 
does that justify cutting off ones penis shaft? 

 The world at large is ignorant of that which brings REAL happiness, including 
the parents (who abdicated their parental role to a mere child) and the 
'Doctor' who later enabled this mixed up child to becomes neither a full MAN or 
WOMAN. It is now an *IT* or a hybrid if you will, not natural at all for the 
human kingdom IMHO.

 Doesn't mean you don't love someone like that or give them all the respect a 
human being deserves, for even the Bible admonishes us to love our neighbors as 
ourselves. This is a discussion about the subject, not an effort to be 
judgmental. 

 "And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest 
not the beam that is in thine own eye?" King James

 In a much more esoteric explanation, a human is more than just a 'physical'  
body, they have a *matrix* (the subtle etheric body) from which this human body 
is formed, "how do you change that???" That archetype determined that that 
physical body shall be male or female, nothing will change that, IMO and 
understanding.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Complicated subject wgm, and not one that you or I could give any definitive 
reading on. If you disagree with people modifying their bodies with surgery and 
hormones then you must certainly have a problem with those who use artificial 
limbs, indulge in plastic surgery, use hormones as a means of birth control or 
for treating prostate cancer (among other things), not to mention people who 
wear hair pieces. For that matter, allowing two separate humans procreate to 
create a third person who is a byproduct of two genetic pools might be a bit 
iffy...who knows if any of this would be in 'God's plan'. 

---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 I found this story to be rather disturbing in that the 'parents' were acting 
more as 'enablers' (as well as the doctors). It reminded me of the fabled story 
of the Lost Continent of Atlantis where they were creating men that were half 
animal and half man. Ultimately nature (the Gods, or the laws of nature) 
destroyed Atlantis in an effort to maintain balance in the World.

 Transgendered Humans are 'mans' creation, not God's, as such it throws off the 
balance and equilibrium of what MMY called the "Divine Plan", these *hormone 
modified humans* are an invention of Man, can you imagine what will happen when 
we are able to make *genetically modified humans*, all kinds of freaks will 
appear unless we cooperate with natural law to the best of our ability to 
understand that law.

---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Thanks for posting.  

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epDPui27QZQ 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epDPui27QZQ

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Austerity for Americans begins today

And exactly what gaffe might that be?

On 11/02/2013 09:17 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:

*Even when you call a gaffe to Bhairitu's attention, he doesn't see it. *

*Bhairitu wrote:*

> Be careful where you step.  Judy has lost her marbles again.  Must 
be a sign of her advancing old age.

On 11/01/2013 03:13 PM, authfriend@...  wrote:

*Er, Bhairitu...*

*
*

*No, never mind, I'll just let this sit here for people to snicker at: *

*
*

*Bhairitu bumbled:*

> Judy, the conspiracy theorist.

On 11/01/2013 12:30 PM, authfriend@...  wrote:

Yes, clearly the shooting incident was carefully planned to distract 
attention from the food stamp cuts.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
, 

 wrote:

Well the TSA shooting at LAX which was between a couple of TSA agents
seems to have knocked off what should have been the lead article on the
news: the food stamp cuts that went into effect today (how convenient).

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/11/01/food-stamps-snap-cuts-farm-bill/3346341/

The war on the poor by the rich ramps up. Time to organize and go
after the rich. Let's party like it's Greece and Spain.

[FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Astrology in the New Testament

Furthermore, Jesus couldn't have been born any later than September anyway, or 
the flocks of sheep wouldn't still have been out in the fields (Luke 2:8 
http://www.bibletools.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/Bible.show/sVerseID/24982/eVerseID/24982,
 "And there were in the same country shepherds abiding in the field, keeping 
watch over their flock by night"). It's pretty well established that by the 4th 
century CE, the presumptive date of Christ's birth had been moved to December 
25 in an attempt to co-opt (or compete with) the Roman solstice festival.

Seraphita wrote:

 > Why was it written that Jesus was born in a manger?

 > Pedant's Corner: it's not written. It says instead "And she brought forth 
 > her firstborn son, and 
 > wrapped him in swaddling clothes, and laid him in a manger." Imagine Mary 
 > straddling a 
 > feeding trough to give birth.

---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Why was it written that Jesus was born in a manger?  Because he was born on 
December 25 which astrologically lies between the signs of Sagittarius, a 
horse, and Capricorn, the goat.  Interesting?  Bill Donohue explains more of 
his observations as follows: 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4M6j6DwBWBg&list=PL4HZ228v9duPReHJuT6prrAUc9BzFEo_t

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4M6j6DwBWBg&list=PL4HZ228v9duPReHJuT6prrAUc9BzFEo_t

RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Austerity for Americans begins today

I'm just going to let you figure that out, Bhairitu. It's not too difficult. 
Mike Dixon got it. 

Bhairitu wrote:

 > And exactly what gaffe might that be?

 On 11/02/2013 09:17 AM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote:

   Even when you call a gaffe to Bhairitu's attention, he doesn't see it. 

 Bhairitu wrote:

 > Be careful where you step.  Judy has lost her marbles again.  Must be a sign 
 > of her advancing old age.

 On 11/01/2013 03:13 PM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote:

   Er, Bhairitu...

 No, never mind, I'll just let this sit here for people to snicker at: 

 Bhairitu bumbled:

 > Judy, the conspiracy theorist.

 On 11/01/2013 12:30 PM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote:

   Yes, clearly the shooting incident was carefully planned to distract 
attention from the food stamp cuts. 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:

 Well the TSA shooting at LAX which was between a couple of TSA agents 
 seems to have knocked off what should have been the lead article on the 
 news: the food stamp cuts that went into effect today (how convenient).

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/11/01/food-stamps-snap-cuts-farm-bill/3346341/

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/11/01/food-stamps-snap-cuts-farm-bill/3346341/

 The war on the poor by the rich ramps up. Time to organize and go 
 after the rich. Let's party like it's Greece and Spain.

RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Re: You don't need a God to have a church, or to evangelize

Yeah, to promote, or oppose something, obsessively, is to get on its same 
energy level - both sides of the same issue. There is still no independence - 
no calmness, which is only found by transcending the issue, broadening the 
consciousness so that additional possibilities occur, without conflict.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Doc, I had a similar thought about turq. So, the question for me is: what 
makes a person an evangelist, even of not being an evangelist? I'd say how 
attached to or averted by or gripped by the thought or believe or POV or 
emotion or state one is. I actually think it's hard to see not only in 
ourselves, but also in others.

 On Saturday, November 2, 2013 10:33 AM, "doctordumbass@..." 
 wrote:

   Hey non-evangelist, evangelist, Have you ever actually *read* one of your 
own posts? You push you beliefs around here, like a steamroller. The pot 
calling the kettle black.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u wrote:
 >
> At least they believe in something. 

 And that's a Good Thing?

I think everyone believes *something*. I certainly have beliefs,
and I suspect everyone else on this forum does, too. 

One of my beliefs is that it may be crossing a line of spiritual
and social etiquette in the opposite direction of Good Thing
when what you believe becomes so important to you that
you feel the need to evangelize it. 

 > ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: 
> 
> http://mag.newsweek.com/2013/11/01/atheism-evangelicals-christianity-religion.html
>  
> http://mag.newsweek.com/2013/11/01/atheism-evangelicals-christianity-religion.html
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] 3 liters of H2O per day -- minus 10 years!

Well, I wouldn't rule anything out, but I'm not sure the bankster lobby 
would approve of Elizabeth Warren's nomination. Go figure.


On 11/2/2013 9:59 AM, sharelon...@yahoo.com wrote:


Richard, why isn't Elizabeth Warren on your list?



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  
wrote:


Let's see, the Democrats have Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden as 
possible candidates for the next presidential election.


The Republicans have Ted Cruz, Scott Walker, Rick Perry, Marco Rubio, 
Nikki Haley, Chris Christie, Rand Paul, Bobby Jindal, Paul Ryan, Mike 
Pence, Rick Santorum, and Jeb Bush. Go figure.


Here are a six reasons I won't be supporting Hillary Clinton:

1. She was in favor of invading Afghanistan.
2. She was opposed to a  surge in Afghanistan.
3. She was in favor of invading Iraq.
4. She was opposed to the surge in Iraq.
5. She failed to protect the U.S. consulate in Benghazi.
6. She lied about the Benghazi attack and tried to cover it up, 
blaming it on a video.


You probably won't be this on MSNBC any time soon:

'Why is Hillary Clinton's popularity sliding?'
The Week:
http://theweek.com/hillary-clintons-popularity-sliding 



'New Poll Shows Democratic Incumbents in Big Trouble'
Newsbusters:
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/mother-jones-shocker 



On 11/1/2013 2:08 PM, Share Long wrote:

Ha! Just proves that Emily and Judy don't know me at all. I would 
never vote for Hillary because IMO she acted like a door mat when she 
didn't divorce Bill after the Monica affair.


On Fri, 11/1/13, emilymaenot@...  
  wrote:


Subject: RE: RE: RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] 3 liters of H2O per day 
-- minus 10 years!

To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Date: Friday, November 1, 2013, 1:49 PM

RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Austerity for Americans begins today

Damn...forgot the e! ;-( Thanks Judy, now that was polite (I think)nah! 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Even when you call a gaffe to Bhairitu's attention, he doesn't see it. 

Bhairitu wrote:

 > Be careful where you step.  Judy has 
 lost her marbles again.  Must be a sign of her advancing old age.

 On 11/01/2013 03:13 PM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote:

   Er, Bhairitu...

 No, never mind, I'll just let this sit here for people to snicker at: 

 Bhairitu bumbled:

 > Judy, the conspiracy theorist.

 On 11/01/2013 12:30 PM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote:

   Yes, clearly the shooting incident was carefully planned to distract 
attention from the food stamp cuts. 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:

 Well the TSA shooting at LAX which was between a couple of TSA agents 
 seems to have knocked off what should have been the lead article on the 
 news: the food stamp cuts that went into effect today (how convenient).

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/11/01/food-stamps-snap-cuts-farm-bill/3346341/

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/11/01/food-stamps-snap-cuts-farm-bill/3346341/

 The war on the poor by the rich ramps up. Time to organize and go 
 after the rich. Let's party like it's Greece and Spain.

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Austerity for Americans begins today

2013-11-02 Thread Mike Dixon

Rick, I don't snicker to gain anyone's favor. Just when it's due, which is 
quite often with Bharitu's posts. He's a lovable, harmless character and very 
predictable. However, it would be scary if there were many more like him. LOL


From: Richard J. Williams 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, November 2, 2013 8:06 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Austerity for Americans begins today

  
Or, the reverse, that many here are seeking to curry favor with Judy, the 
leader of the Snickers, except for the two Barrys who don't seem to want to 
curry favor with anyone, so they too snicker a lot at everyone. Go figure.On 
11/1/2013 11:38 PM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote:
  
>No Share, you just have a nasty habit of attempting to curry favor with any 
>Tom, Dick and Harry who happen to be willing to listen.  Come on boys, give 
>her a hand. (Was that a dirty thing to say?)
>---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, mailto:sharelong60@... wrote: 
>Mike, somehow, in the total context of your post, snickering does not sound 
>one iota as nasty as it does in the total context of Judy's post. Maybe I'm 
>prejudiced. 
>
>
>On Friday, November 1, 2013 7:47 PM, Mike Dixon mailto:mdixon.6569@... wrote:
>
>  
>Sorry Share, I don't mean to get involved in your and Judy's feud but I sure 
>am snickering with Judy on that one.
>
>
>
>From: mailto:sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@...
>To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
>Sent: Friday, November 1, 2013 5:36 PM
>Subject: RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Austerity for Americans begins today
>
>  
>I would bet that not one person on FFL is snickering at Bhairitu. But admit 
>that I'm still amazed at how much nastiness Judy can pack into one short post. 
> 
>---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mailto:fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com 
>wrote: 
>Er, Bhairitu...
>
>
>No, never mind, I'll just let this sit here for people to snicker at: 
>
>
>Bhairitu bumbled:
>
>
>
>> Judy, the conspiracy theorist. 
>>>On 11/01/2013 12:30 PM, authfriend@... wrote:

>>>  
Yes, clearly the shooting incident was carefully planned to distract 
attention from the food stamp cuts. 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mailto:fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com 
wrote: 
Well the TSA shooting at LAX which was between a couple of TSA agents seems 
to have knocked off what should have been the lead article on the news: the 
food stamp cuts that went into effect today (how 
convenient).http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/11/01/food-stamps-snap-cuts-farm-bill/3346341/
 The war on the poor by the rich ramps up. Time to organize and go after 
the rich. Let's party like it's Greece and Spain.
>>>

[FairfieldLife] What lightning really looks like...

...if only you weren't trapped in this limited human timespace:
http://www.snowaddiction.org/2013/08/super-slow-motion-lightning-strike-\
1-second-in-3-minutes.html

[FairfieldLife] Re: Black Hats and White Hats

2013-11-02 Thread Richard Williams

"On Thursday, the 21-year old San Antonio native will enter La Tuna Federal
Correction Institute in Anthony, TX to begin a one-year and one day
sentence for breaching Sony Pictures Entertainment in May 2011 as a member
of Anonymous offshoot, LulzSec."

'The $600,000 Joyride'
San Antonio Current:
http://sacurrent.com/news/the-600-000-joyride


On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 9:24 AM, Richard Williams wrote:

> Let's see, on the one hand we have the personal privacy advocates, like
> Edward Snowden and Wikileak's Julian Assange, and the Electronic Frontier
> Foundation.
>
> And, on the other hand we have social networking sites like Mark
> Zuckerberg's Facebook and micro blogging sites like Evan Williams's
> Twitter.
>
> And, in the middle we've got the FBI, IRS, CIA, NSA, ATF and the HS.
>
> And, you got your black hats and your white hats; you got your hackers and
> pirates; and you've got your worms and trojan horses. There's a PC on every
> desk, all running Microsoft Windows software.
>
> So, now Obama wants you to log on to a government site and enter all your
> personal data. Go figure.
>
> "It also represents a dangerous normalization of ‘governing in the dark,’
> where decisions with enormous public impact occur without any public input."
>
> 'Snowden Says He Took No Secret Files to Russia'
> New York Times:
> http://www.nytimes.com/snowden
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Rent is Too Damn High!

2013-11-02 Thread Richard Williams

The rent is too damn high!

[image: Inline image 1]


On Fri, Oct 4, 2013 at 9:27 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote:

> So, when I returned the two cable boxes to Time-Warner and to terminate
> the HD and DVR service, I asked them how much would it cost just to have
> basic cable. The guy said they would have to send out a technician to put a
> 'trap' on the line to filter out the other channels, so I told them to
> close the account. It's Friday and the cable is still active, but I have
> powered antennas from the Shack anyway. Go figure.
>
> The rent is too damn high!
>
> This week I took my daughter's PT Cruiser in to the dealership because she
> said the front was 'wobbling' at 35-40 mph. The service manager called back
> and said one of the front tires had a 'ball' on it. He recommended getting
> four new Goodyear Eagles, balanced and a front end alignment - $950. What!?
>
> Now, why would anyone want to pay close to $1000 to put Goodyear Eagles
> back on the same car that already had a Goodyear tire with a ball on it at
> 30,000 miles? So, I had the tires rotated, front to back, for $15 on the
> south side, sweet!. Maybe I'll buy two new Falken tires at Discount Tires.
> Go figure.
>
> The rent is too damn high!
>

[FairfieldLife] RE: Astrology in the New Testament

Seraphita,
 

 I believe the point was that Jesus was born in a stable where the animals, the 
horse and the goat, were sheltered. 
 

 

 

---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Why was it written that Jesus was born in a manger?
 

 Pedant's Corner: it's not written. It says instead "And she brought forth her 
firstborn son, and wrapped him in swaddling clothes, and laid him in a manger." 
Imagine Mary straddling a feeding trough to give birth.

 

---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Why was it written that Jesus was born in a manger?  Because he was born on 
December 25 which astrologically lies between the signs of Sagittarius, a 
horse, and Capricorn, the goat.  Interesting?  Bill Donohue explains more of 
his observations as follows: 

 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4M6j6DwBWBg&list=PL4HZ228v9duPReHJuT6prrAUc9BzFEo_t
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4M6j6DwBWBg&list=PL4HZ228v9duPReHJuT6prrAUc9BzFEo_t

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: Growing up transgendered or, confused?

It all depends on what software you're using. I've been monitoring FFL 
messages in IE and Firefox and I've noticed that some posts don't 
include what the person is responding to. However, when you hit reply 
sometimes the messages appear when you scroll down.


And, I've also noticed that hardly anyone follows the netiquette 
protocols for formatting messages anymore. It sure would be helpful if 
people would do some formatting using the old style right angle bracket, 
but now I realize that's really asking to much of people, since mainly 
they are just shooting from the hip with one-liner snickers. There seem 
to be only about two serious respondents left here anyway.


So, I'm using Thunderbird to send and reply to text only posts, but when 
I want to include an image I use Chrome, which has a nice feature to key 
in the location of the image URL. I haven't figured out what happened to 
the 'source view' in Neo to include an image URL. I've also noticed that 
several people have not figured out how to make an active URL link in 
any program. Go figure.


P.S. At this point, I'm not even posting with the expectation that 
anyone but lurkers would read this stuff, so it's mostly for them to be 
amused with.


On 11/2/2013 10:40 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:


BillyG, you know, it's courteous to quote a bit of what you're 
responding to, or at least to identify the writer you're responding 
to. You don't do that, and it makes it look as though you don't want 
to actually have a discussion but rather only to make proclamations.

[FairfieldLife] RE: Astrology in the New Testament

Judy,

 I would tend to agree with you on this observation.  From what I understand, 
it snows in Bethlehem during the winter months.  So, it would not have been 
practical for the Romans to make the population travel to their tribal homes 
for a census.

 Also, astrologically, it can be justified that Jesus was born on September 21 
or after, when the Sun is in its fall.  Hence, he was born in a stable, a place 
unsuitable for a human being and for a future King.

 This would imply that Jesus was born as a Cancer ascendant in jyotish 
calculation.  Why?  Because the fourth house, meaning birth home, would be in 
Libra, the sign where the Sun is debilitated.

 Also, this ascendant would mean that the 10th house of career or 
accomplishment is in the sign of Aries, signifying the start of spring or 
rebirth from the death of the Sun during the winter months.

 Therefore, it is logical that Jesus would be known in history as the Redeemer 
who rose from the dead since the Sun (the symbol of Jesus) is exalted in Aries, 
the start of spring and the renewal of life here on earth.

 There is more to this subject.  But I'll stop here for brevity.

---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Furthermore, Jesus couldn't have been born any later than September anyway, or 
the flocks of sheep wouldn't still have been out in the fields (Luke 2:8 
http://www.bibletools.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/Bible.show/sVerseID/24982/eVerseID/24982,
 "And there were in the same country shepherds abiding in the field, keeping 
watch over their flock by night"). It's pretty well established that by the 4th 
century CE, the presumptive date of Christ's birth had been moved to December 
25 in an attempt to co-opt (or compete with) the Roman solstice festival.

Seraphita wrote:

 > Why was it written that Jesus was born in a manger?

 > Pedant's Corner: it's not written. It says instead "And she brought forth 
 > her firstborn son, and 
 > wrapped him in swaddling clothes, and laid him in a manger." Imagine Mary 
 > straddling a 
 > feeding trough to give birth.

---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Why was it written that Jesus was born in a manger?  Because he was born on 
December 25 which astrologically lies between the signs of Sagittarius, a 
horse, and Capricorn, the goat.  Interesting?  Bill Donohue explains more of 
his observations as follows: 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4M6j6DwBWBg&list=PL4HZ228v9duPReHJuT6prrAUc9BzFEo_t

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4M6j6DwBWBg&list=PL4HZ228v9duPReHJuT6prrAUc9BzFEo_t

RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: Growing up transgendered or, confused?

The post a person is responding to (and sometimes a whole string of posts in an 
exchange) always appears when you click on the three dots in the bottom left of 
the Reply box--unless the person who wrote the post has deleted everything, 
which is what BillyG does. Apparently he doesn't like to feel that he's part of 
a discussion, so he gets rid of it all before posting.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 It all depends on what software you're using. I've been monitoring FFL 
messages in IE and Firefox and I've noticed that some posts don't include what 
the person is responding to. However, when you hit reply sometimes the messages 
appear when you scroll down.
 
 And, I've also noticed that hardly anyone follows the netiquette protocols for 
formatting messages anymore. It sure would be helpful if people would do some 
formatting using the old style right angle bracket, but now I realize that's 
really asking to much of people, since mainly they are just shooting from the 
hip with one-liner snickers. There seem to be only about two serious 
respondents left here anyway.
 
 So, I'm using Thunderbird to send and reply to text only posts, but when I 
want to include an image I use Chrome, which has a nice feature to key in the 
location of the image URL. I haven't figured out what happened to the 'source 
view' in Neo to include an image URL. I've also noticed that several people 
have not figured out how to make an active URL link in any program. Go figure.
 
 P.S. At this point, I'm not even posting with the expectation that anyone but 
lurkers would read this stuff, so it's mostly for them to be amused with.
 
 On 11/2/2013 10:40 AM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote:
 
   BillyG, you know, it's courteous to quote a bit of what you're responding 
to, or at least to identify the writer you're responding to. You don't do that, 
and it makes it look as though you don't want to actually have a discussion but 
rather only to make proclamations.

[FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Astrology in the New Testament

Which means your first point about Sagittarius and Capricorn is null and void. 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Judy,

 I would tend to agree with you on this observation.  From what I understand, 
it snows in Bethlehem during the winter months.  So, it would not have been 
practical for the Romans to make the population travel to their tribal homes 
for a census.

 Also, astrologically, it can be justified that Jesus was born on September 21 
or after, when the Sun is in its fall.  Hence, he was born in a stable, a place 
unsuitable for a human being and for a future King.

 This would imply that Jesus was born as a Cancer ascendant in jyotish 
calculation.  Why?  Because the fourth house, meaning birth home, would be in 
Libra, the sign where the Sun is debilitated.

 Also, this ascendant would mean that the 10th house of career or 
accomplishment is in the sign of Aries, signifying the start of spring or 
rebirth from the death of the Sun during the winter months.

 Therefore, it is logical that Jesus would be known in history as the Redeemer 
who rose from the dead since the Sun (the symbol of Jesus) is exalted in Aries, 
the start of spring and the renewal of life here on earth.

 There is more to this subject.  But I'll stop here for brevity.

---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Furthermore, Jesus couldn't have been born any later than September anyway, or 
the flocks of sheep wouldn't still have been out in the fields (Luke 2:8 
http://www.bibletools.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/Bible.show/sVerseID/24982/eVerseID/24982,
 "And there were in the same country shepherds abiding in the field, keeping 
watch over their flock by night"). It's pretty well established that by the 4th 
century CE, the presumptive date of Christ's birth had been moved to December 
25 in an attempt to co-opt (or compete with) the Roman solstice festival.

Seraphita wrote:

 > Why was it written that Jesus was born in a manger?

 > Pedant's Corner: it's not written. It says instead "And she brought forth 
 > her firstborn son, and 
 > wrapped him in swaddling clothes, and laid him in a manger." Imagine Mary 
 > straddling a 
 > feeding trough to give birth.

---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Why was it written that Jesus was born in a manger?  Because he was born on 
December 25 which astrologically lies between the signs of Sagittarius, a 
horse, and Capricorn, the goat.  Interesting?  Bill Donohue explains more of 
his observations as follows: 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4M6j6DwBWBg&list=PL4HZ228v9duPReHJuT6prrAUc9BzFEo_t

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4M6j6DwBWBg&list=PL4HZ228v9duPReHJuT6prrAUc9BzFEo_t

[FairfieldLife] Harmony

Given the response to my recent posts about Crosby, Stills, & Nash, I
shall continue on the general theme of vocal harmony. It's to some
extent a "lost art" in modern music, and that, to my way of seeing, is a
pity. It's a high art.

One of the best harmonists I know of in music is Emmylou Harris. In her
taste for this artform, she continues in the footsteps of her mentor,
Gram Parsons, and his love for the country harmonies he grew up with and
introduced her to.

Although I appreciate the more formal art of musical composition, and
"charting out" harmonies on sheet music before attempting to perform
them, for me, there is nothing quite like "spontaneous harmony," the
thing that happens between two or more musicians who suddenly find
themselves on the same musical wavelength during the performance of the
same song, spontaneously. Here are a few examples.

With Rodney Crowell (pure Louvin Brothers harmony):
   

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6g8EqgRk-nw


With John Starling (from the folk group Seldom Scene):
   

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYs2RbCcKsk


With Dolly Parton and Linda Ronstadt:
   

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cnieh0Y1V-o


With Mark Knopfler:
   

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsMO0A1iE0I


With Gram:
   

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vO8C9fqC3uk

[FairfieldLife] RE: Harmony

 Most people like to hear harmony in a song.  But I don't believe the singers 
in the clip were singing in harmony spontaneously.  They've rehearsed the songs 
and had cues on which part of the song they will sing in unison and which part 
the lead singer will take the solo.
 

 Nonetheless, it is a delicate art to create a song that can deliver a tune 
with the right balance of solo, harmony, beat and melody.   When the balance is 
right, a great hit is born.
 

---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Given the response to my recent posts about Crosby, Stills, & Nash, I shall 
continue on the general theme of vocal harmony. It's to some extent a "lost 
art" in modern music, and that, to my way of seeing, is a pity. It's a high 
art. 

One of the best harmonists I know of in music is Emmylou Harris. In her taste 
for this artform, she continues in the footsteps of her mentor, Gram Parsons, 
and his love for the country harmonies he grew up with and introduced her to. 

Although I appreciate the more formal art of musical composition, and "charting 
out" harmonies on sheet music before attempting to perform them, for me, there 
is nothing quite like "spontaneous harmony," the thing that happens between two 
or more musicians who suddenly find themselves on the same musical wavelength 
during the performance of the same song, spontaneously. Here are a few examples.

With Rodney Crowell (pure Louvin Brothers harmony):
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6g8EqgRk-nw 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6g8EqgRk-nwhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6g8EqgRk-nw
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6g8EqgRk-nw 

With John Starling (from the folk group Seldom Scene):
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYs2RbCcKsk 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYs2RbCcKskhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYs2RbCcKsk
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYs2RbCcKsk 

With Dolly Parton and Linda Ronstadt:
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cnieh0Y1V-o 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cnieh0Y1V-ohttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cnieh0Y1V-o
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cnieh0Y1V-o 

With Mark Knopfler:
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsMO0A1iE0I 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsMO0A1iE0Ihttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsMO0A1iE0I
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsMO0A1iE0I 

With Gram:
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vO8C9fqC3uk 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vO8C9fqC3ukhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vO8C9fqC3uk
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vO8C9fqC3uk

RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: Growing up transgendered or, confused?

Thanks for the tip 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 The post a person is responding to (and sometimes a whole string of posts in 
an exchange) always appears when you click on the three dots in the bottom left 
of the Reply box--unless the person who wrote the post has deleted everything, 
which is what BillyG does. Apparently he doesn't like to feel that he's part of 
a discussion, so he gets rid of it all before posting.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 It all depends on what software you're using. I've been monitoring FFL 
messages in IE and Firefox and I've noticed that some posts don't include what 
the person is responding to. However, when you hit reply sometimes the messages 
appear when you scroll down.
 
 And, I've also noticed that hardly anyone follows the netiquette protocols for 
formatting messages anymore. It sure would be helpful if people would do some 
formatting using the old style right angle bracket, but now I realize that's 
really asking to much of people, since mainly they are just shooting from the 
hip with one-liner snickers. There seem to be only about two serious 
respondents left here anyway.
 
 So, I'm using Thunderbird to send and reply to text only posts, but when I 
want to include an image I use Chrome, which has a nice feature to key in the 
location of the image URL. I haven't figured out what happened to the 'source 
view' in Neo to include an image URL. I've also noticed that several people 
have not figured out how to make an active URL link in any program. Go figure.
 
 P.S. At this point, I'm not even posting with the expectation that anyone but 
lurkers would read this stuff, so it's mostly for them to be amused with.
 
 On 11/2/2013 10:40 AM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote:
 
   BillyG, you know, it's courteous to quote a bit of what you're responding 
to, or at least to identify the writer you're responding to. You don't do that, 
and it makes it look as though you don't want to actually have a discussion but 
rather only to make proclamations.

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Austerity for Americans begins today

You and Dixon must be imagining something or it got screwed up on the 
web site.  The is no gaffe in this line:

"Judy, the conspiracy theorist."

If you are talking about the comma then you need a new Strunk and White.

But if you are talking about the shooting was between two TSA agents 
that's what the news outlets were saying when I posted it. They later 
recanted.

There are no misspellings even though Thunderbird is fucked up and 
random these days about underlining misspellings.  But who really cares 
about that on a message board anyway?

On 11/02/2013 09:52 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:

*I'm just going to let you figure that out, Bhairitu. It's not too 
difficult. Mike Dixon got it. *

*
Bhairitu wrote:
*
> And exactly what gaffe might that be?

On 11/02/2013 09:17 AM, authfriend@...  wrote:

*Even when you call a gaffe to Bhairitu's attention, he doesn't see it. *

*Bhairitu wrote:*

> Be careful where you step.  Judy has lost her marbles again.  Must 
be a sign of her advancing old age.

On 11/01/2013 03:13 PM, authfriend@...  wrote:

*Er, Bhairitu...*

*
*

*No, never mind, I'll just let this sit here for people to snicker at: *

*
*

*Bhairitu bumbled:*

> Judy, the conspiracy theorist.

On 11/01/2013 12:30 PM, authfriend@... 
wrote:

Yes, clearly the shooting incident was carefully planned to 
distract attention from the food stamp cuts.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
, 

 wrote:

Well the TSA shooting at LAX which was between a couple of TSA agents
seems to have knocked off what should have been the lead article on 
the

news: the food stamp cuts that went into effect today (how convenient).

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/11/01/food-stamps-snap-cuts-farm-bill/3346341/

The war on the poor by the rich ramps up. Time to organize and go
after the rich. Let's party like it's Greece and Spain.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Rent is Too Damn High!

That's cheap!  It's $3.59 here in a refinery town.  But then we probably 
have much higher gas taxes than Texas.


On 11/02/2013 11:01 AM, Richard Williams wrote:

The rent is too damn high!

Inline image 1


On Fri, Oct 4, 2013 at 9:27 AM, Richard J. Williams 
mailto:pundits...@gmail.com>> wrote:


So, when I returned the two cable boxes to Time-Warner and to
terminate the HD and DVR service, I asked them how much would it
cost just to have basic cable. The guy said they would have to
send out a technician to put a 'trap' on the line to filter out
the other channels, so I told them to close the account. It's
Friday and the cable is still active, but I have powered antennas
from the Shack anyway. Go figure.

The rent is too damn high!

This week I took my daughter's PT Cruiser in to the dealership
because she said the front was 'wobbling' at 35-40 mph. The
service manager called back and said one of the front tires had a
'ball' on it. He recommended getting four new Goodyear Eagles,
balanced and a front end alignment - $950. What!?

Now, why would anyone want to pay close to $1000 to put Goodyear
Eagles back on the same car that already had a Goodyear tire with
a ball on it at 30,000 miles? So, I had the tires rotated, front
to back, for $15 on the south side, sweet!. Maybe I'll buy two new
Falken tires at Discount Tires. Go figure.

The rent is too damn high!

Re: [FairfieldLife] Harmony

One has to be careful when dealing with pop artists' musical training.  
Some had formal training and it was purposefully omitted from bios.  
Don't forget back in the day when there was still music education in 
schools they had choir classes.  Many of those student learned to read 
music and sing complicated musical pieces with complex harmony.  A 
popular piece in the 1950s was "Poinciana" a latin tune with modern 
harmonies.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4NafK3NFhA

A high school choir learning that one song with it's upper partials of 
chords was enough to allow them to sing a lot of other songs with 
complex harmonies.  It seemed that about every high school choir back in 
the day was singing.


And don't underestimate what some artists learned from being in church 
choirs.


On 11/02/2013 12:22 PM, TurquoiseB wrote:


Given the response to my recent posts about Crosby, Stills, & Nash, I 
shall continue on the general theme of vocal harmony. It's to some 
extent a "lost art" in modern music, and that, to my way of seeing, is 
a pity. It's a high art.


One of the best harmonists I know of in music is Emmylou Harris. In 
her taste for this artform, she continues in the footsteps of her 
mentor, Gram Parsons, and his love for the country harmonies he grew 
up with and introduced her to.


Although I appreciate the more formal art of musical composition, and 
"charting out" harmonies on sheet music before attempting to perform 
them, for me, there is nothing quite like "spontaneous harmony," the 
thing that happens between two or more musicians who suddenly find 
themselves on the same musical wavelength during the performance of 
the same song, spontaneously. Here are a few examples.


With Rodney Crowell (pure Louvin Brothers harmony):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6g8EqgRk-nw

With John Starling (from the folk group Seldom Scene):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYs2RbCcKsk

With Dolly Parton and Linda Ronstadt:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cnieh0Y1V-o

With Mark Knopfler:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsMO0A1iE0I

With Gram:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vO8C9fqC3uk

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Astrology in the New Testament

John, one theory I've heard is that Jesus was born with Sun in Pisces. Thus the 
fish symbol for Christianity and a bunch of other stuff which I no longer 
remember. I do think Jesus embodied that universal love that can be associated 
with Pisces.

On Saturday, November 2, 2013 11:51 AM, "authfri...@yahoo.com" 
 wrote:

Furthermore, Jesus couldn't have been born any later than September anyway, or 
the flocks of sheep wouldn't still have been out in the fields (Luke 2:8, "And 
there were in the same country shepherds abiding in the field, keeping watch 
over their flock by night"). It's pretty well established that by the 4th 
century CE, the presumptive date of Christ's birth had been moved to December 
25 in an attempt to co-opt (or compete with) the Roman solstice festival.

Seraphita wrote:

> Why was it written that Jesus was born in a manger?

> Pedant's Corner: it's not written. It says instead "And she brought forth her 
> firstborn son, and 
> wrapped him in swaddling clothes, and laid him in a manger." Imagine Mary 
> straddling a 
> feeding trough to give birth.

---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

Why was it written that Jesus was born in a manger?  Because he was born on 
December 25 which astrologically lies between the signs of Sagittarius, a 
horse, and Capricorn, the goat.  Interesting?  Bill Donohue explains more of 
his observations as follows:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4M6j6DwBWBg&list=PL4HZ228v9duPReHJuT6prrAUc9BzFEo_t

Re: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: Growing up transgendered or, confused?

OTOH, some posters have scolded some other posters for NOT snipping! Go figure!

On Saturday, November 2, 2013 3:06 PM, wgm4u  wrote:

Thanks for the tip 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

The post a person is responding to (and sometimes a whole string of posts in an 
exchange) always appears when you click on the three dots in the bottom left of 
the Reply box--unless the person who wrote the post has deleted everything, 
which is what BillyG does. Apparently he doesn't like to feel that he's part of 
a discussion, so he gets rid of it all before posting.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

It all depends on what software you're using. I've been monitoring FFL messages 
in IE and Firefox and I've noticed that some posts don't include what the 
person is responding to. However, when you hit reply sometimes the messages 
appear when you scroll down.

And, I've also noticed that hardly anyone follows the netiquette
  protocols for formatting messages anymore. It sure would be
  helpful if people would do some formatting using the old style
  right angle bracket, but now I realize that's really asking to
  much of people, since mainly they are just shooting from the hip
  with one-liner snickers. There seem to be only about two serious
  respondents left here anyway.

So, I'm using Thunderbird to send and reply to text only posts,
  but when I want to include an image I use Chrome, which has a nice
  feature to key in the location of the image URL. I haven't figured
  out what happened to the 'source view' in Neo to include an image
  URL. I've also noticed that several people have not figured out
  how to make an active URL link in any program. Go figure.

P.S. At this point, I'm not even posting with the expectation that
  anyone but lurkers would read this stuff, so it's mostly for them
  to be amused with.

On 11/2/2013 10:40 AM, authfriend@... wrote:
>>

>BillyG, you know, it's courteous to quote a bit of what you're responding to, 
>or at least to identify the writer you're responding to. You don't do that, 
>and it makes it look as though you don't want to actually have a discussion 
>but rather only to make proclamations.
>
>

RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Austerity for Americans begins today

LOL. No, has nothing to do with punctuation or spelling. Nothing to do with the
details of the story, either. Try again.

Bhairitu wrote:

You and Dixon must be imagining something or it got screwed up on the web
site. The is no gaffe in this line:

"Judy, the conspiracy theorist."

If you are talking about the comma then you need a new Strunk and White.

But if you are talking about the shooting was between two TSA agents that's
what the news outlets were saying when I posted it. They later recanted.

There are no misspellings even though Thunderbird is fucked up and random
these days about underlining misspellings. But who really cares about that on
a message board anyway?

On 11/02/2013 09:52 AM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote:

I'm just going to let you figure that out, Bhairitu. It's not too difficult.
Mike Dixon got it.

Bhairitu wrote:

> And exactly what gaffe might that be?

On 11/02/2013 09:17 AM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote:

Even when you call a gaffe to Bhairitu's attention, he doesn't see it.

Bhairitu wrote:

> Be careful where you step. Judy has lost her marbles again. Must be a sign
> of her advancing old age.

On 11/01/2013 03:13 PM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote:

Er, Bhairitu...

No, never mind, I'll just let this sit here for people to snicker at:

Bhairitu bumbled:

> Judy, the conspiracy theorist.

On 11/01/2013 12:30 PM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote:

Yes, clearly the shooting incident was carefully planned to distract
attention from the food stamp cuts.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
mailto:fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:

Well the TSA shooting at LAX which was between a couple of TSA agents
seems to have knocked off what should have been the lead article on the
news: the food stamp cuts that went into effect today (how convenient).

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/11/01/food-stamps-snap-cuts-farm-bill/3346341/

The war on the poor by the rich ramps up. Time to organize and go
after the rich. Let's party like it's Greece and Spain.

RE: Re: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: Growing up transgendered or, confused?

Oh, did you think you were making a snappy, relevant comment here, Share?

 Share flubbed:

 > OTOH, some posters have scolded some other posters for NOT snipping! Go 
 > figure!

 You really just don't seem to be getting it about not posting any old thing 
that comes to your mind without giving it a bit of a think first.

 On Saturday, November 2, 2013 3:06 PM, wgm4u  wrote:

   Thanks for the tip 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 The post a person is responding to (and sometimes a whole string of posts in 
an exchange) always appears when you click on the three dots in the bottom left 
of the Reply box--unless the person who wrote the post has deleted everything, 
which is what BillyG does. Apparently he doesn't like to feel that he's part of 
a discussion, so he gets rid of it all before posting.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 It all depends on what software you're using. I've been monitoring FFL 
messages in IE and Firefox and I've noticed that some posts don't include what 
the person is responding to. However, when you hit reply sometimes the messages 
appear when you scroll down.

 And, I've also noticed that hardly anyone follows the netiquette protocols for 
formatting messages anymore. It sure would be helpful if people would do some 
formatting using the old style right angle bracket, but now I realize that's 
really asking to much of people, since mainly they are just shooting from the 
hip with one-liner snickers. There seem to be only about two serious 
respondents left here anyway.

 So, I'm using Thunderbird to send and reply to text only posts, but when I 
want to include an image I use Chrome, which has a nice feature to key in the 
location of the image URL. I haven't figured out what happened to the 'source 
view' in Neo to include an image URL. I've also noticed that several people 
have not figured out how to make an active URL link in any program. Go figure.

 P.S. At this point, I'm not even posting with the expectation that anyone but 
lurkers would read this stuff, so it's mostly for them to be amused with.

 On 11/2/2013 10:40 AM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote:

   BillyG, you know, it's courteous to quote a bit of what you're responding 
to, or at least to identify the writer you're responding to. You don't do that, 
and it makes it look as though you don't want to actually have a discussion but 
rather only to make proclamations.

[FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Harmony

The harmony in those videos is pretty much all standard, not some inspired 
creative serendipitous epiphany. It's fine harmony; I'm not criticizing it, but 
any musicians familiar with the genre would be likely to sing virtually the 
same harmonies, whether they'd rehearsed them or not.
 

 The Beatles wrote original harmony in many of their songs, but that isn't what 
this is.
 

 (P.S.: Anybody know why each of Barry's videos appears three times in the same 
post?)
 
John wrote:

 Most people like to hear harmony in a song.  But I don't believe the singers 
in the clip were singing in harmony spontaneously.  They've rehearsed the songs 
and had cues on which part of the song they will sing in unison and which part 
the lead singer will take the solo.
 

 Nonetheless, it is a delicate art to create a song that can deliver a tune 
with the right balance of solo, harmony, beat and melody.   When the balance is 
right, a great hit is born.
 

---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Given the response to my recent posts about Crosby, Stills, & Nash, I shall 
continue on the general theme of vocal harmony. It's to some extent a "lost 
art" in modern music, and that, to my way of seeing, is a pity. It's a high 
art. 

One of the best harmonists I know of in music is Emmylou Harris. In her taste 
for this artform, she continues in the footsteps of her mentor, Gram Parsons, 
and his love for the country harmonies he grew up with and introduced her to. 

Although I appreciate the more formal art of musical composition, and "charting 
out" harmonies on sheet music before attempting to perform them, for me, there 
is nothing quite like "spontaneous harmony," the thing that happens between two 
or more musicians who suddenly find themselves on the same musical wavelength 
during the performance of the same song, spontaneously. Here are a few examples.

With Rodney Crowell (pure Louvin Brothers harmony):
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6g8EqgRk-nw 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6g8EqgRk-nwhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6g8EqgRk-nw
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6g8EqgRk-nw 

With John Starling (from the folk group Seldom Scene):
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYs2RbCcKsk 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYs2RbCcKskhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYs2RbCcKsk
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYs2RbCcKsk 

With Dolly Parton and Linda Ronstadt:
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cnieh0Y1V-o 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cnieh0Y1V-ohttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cnieh0Y1V-o
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cnieh0Y1V-o 

With Mark Knopfler:
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsMO0A1iE0I 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsMO0A1iE0Ihttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsMO0A1iE0I
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsMO0A1iE0I 

With Gram:
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vO8C9fqC3uk 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vO8C9fqC3ukhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vO8C9fqC3uk
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vO8C9fqC3uk

RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Astrology in the New Testament

Share,

 An argument can be made for Pisces as the birth month of Jesus.  Specifically, 
Pisces is a sign owned by Jupiter, the teacher of the gods.  So, by analogy, 
Jesus was born as a teacher in this world during Kali Yuga.

 Also, since Pisces is the 7th house from Virgo, he is associated with a 
virgin, which in this case is Mary, his mother.  Santos Bonacci, another 
astrologer, stated in his presentation that Pisces can be considered as the 
womb since the sign is watery.

 Bill Donohue, in the video clip, further pointed out that Pisces represents 
the disciples of Jesus, who were mostly fishermen, and were tasked to become 
the fishers of men.

 Lastly, Dohohue stated that Pisces represented the miracle that Jesus 
performed when he multiplied the fish and bread to feed the hungry followers 
during the Sermon on the Mount.

 There are many other points, but I'll cut if off here for brevity.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 John, one theory I've heard is that Jesus was born with Sun in Pisces. Thus 
the fish symbol for Christianity and a bunch of other stuff which I no longer 
remember. I do think Jesus embodied that universal love that can be associated 
with Pisces.

 On Saturday, November 2, 2013 11:51 AM, "authfriend@..."  
wrote:

   Furthermore, Jesus couldn't have been born any later than September anyway, 
or the flocks of sheep wouldn't still have been out in the fields (Luke 2:8 
http://www.bibletools.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/Bible.show/sVerseID/24982/eVerseID/24982,
 "And there were in the same country shepherds abiding in the field, keeping 
watch over their flock by night"). It's pretty well established that by the 4th 
century CE, the presumptive date of Christ's birth had been moved to December 
25 in an attempt to co-opt (or compete with) the Roman solstice festival.

Seraphita wrote:

 > Why was it written that Jesus was born in a manger?

 > Pedant's Corner: it's not written. It says instead "And she brought forth 
 > her firstborn son, and 
 > wrapped him in swaddling clothes, and laid him in a manger." Imagine Mary 
 > straddling a 
 > feeding trough to give birth.

---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Why was it written that Jesus was born in a manger?  Because he was born on 
December 25 which astrologically lies between the signs of Sagittarius, a 
horse, and Capricorn, the goat.  Interesting?  Bill Donohue explains more of 
his observations as follows: 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4M6j6DwBWBg&list=PL4HZ228v9duPReHJuT6prrAUc9BzFEo_t

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4M6j6DwBWBg&list=PL4HZ228v9duPReHJuT6prrAUc9BzFEo_t

[FairfieldLife] RE: Harmony

Now you guys got me going here.  Many years ago we saw the Manhattan Transfer 
in Sacramento, CA.  They were excellent in harmonizing songs.  Here they sing 
Route 66:
 

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQwb4SpNuKo 
 

 For the record, I've been to some of the towns mentioned in this song, namely 
Barstow, San Bernardino, and Kingman, AZ.
 

---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 The harmony in those videos is pretty much all standard, not some inspired 
creative serendipitous epiphany. It's fine harmony; I'm not criticizing it, but 
any musicians familiar with the genre would be likely to sing virtually the 
same harmonies, whether they'd rehearsed them or not.
 

 The Beatles wrote original harmony in many of their songs, but that isn't what 
this is.
 

 (P.S.: Anybody know why each of Barry's videos appears three times in the same 
post?)
 
John wrote:

 Most people like to hear harmony in a song.  But I don't believe the singers 
in the clip were singing in harmony spontaneously.  They've rehearsed the songs 
and had cues on which part of the song they will sing in unison and which part 
the lead singer will take the solo.
 

 Nonetheless, it is a delicate art to create a song that can deliver a tune 
with the right balance of solo, harmony, beat and melody.   When the balance is 
right, a great hit is born.
 

---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Given the response to my recent posts about Crosby, Stills, & Nash, I shall 
continue on the general theme of vocal harmony. It's to some extent a "lost 
art" in modern music, and that, to my way of seeing, is a pity. It's a high 
art. 

One of the best harmonists I know of in music is Emmylou Harris. In her taste 
for this artform, she continues in the footsteps of her mentor, Gram Parsons, 
and his love for the country harmonies he grew up with and introduced her to. 

Although I appreciate the more formal art of musical composition, and "charting 
out" harmonies on sheet music before attempting to perform them, for me, there 
is nothing quite like "spontaneous harmony," the thing that happens between two 
or more musicians who suddenly find themselves on the same musical wavelength 
during the performance of the same song, spontaneously. Here are a few examples.

With Rodney Crowell (pure Louvin Brothers harmony):
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6g8EqgRk-nw 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6g8EqgRk-nwhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6g8EqgRk-nw
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6g8EqgRk-nw 

With John Starling (from the folk group Seldom Scene):
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYs2RbCcKsk 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYs2RbCcKskhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYs2RbCcKsk
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYs2RbCcKsk 

With Dolly Parton and Linda Ronstadt:
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cnieh0Y1V-o 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cnieh0Y1V-ohttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cnieh0Y1V-o
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cnieh0Y1V-o 

With Mark Knopfler:
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsMO0A1iE0I 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsMO0A1iE0Ihttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsMO0A1iE0I
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsMO0A1iE0I 

With Gram:
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vO8C9fqC3uk 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vO8C9fqC3ukhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vO8C9fqC3uk
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vO8C9fqC3uk

[FairfieldLife] RE: Harmony

Yeah, right on. I really enjoyed groups like the zep, and Fairport Convention, 
for their harmony - early Fleetwood Mac, 'Bare Trees', too. I saw Emmy Lou 
before she was big (in a coffee shop, Corvallis, OR - '73 ish), and how could 
you not fall in love? 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Given the response to my recent posts about Crosby, Stills, & Nash, I shall 
continue on the general theme of vocal harmony. It's to some extent a "lost 
art" in modern music, and that, to my way of seeing, is a pity. It's a high 
art. 

One of the best harmonists I know of in music is Emmylou Harris. In her taste 
for this artform, she continues in the footsteps of her mentor, Gram Parsons, 
and his love for the country harmonies he grew up with and introduced her to. 

Although I appreciate the more formal art of musical composition, and "charting 
out" harmonies on sheet music before attempting to perform them, for me, there 
is nothing quite like "spontaneous harmony," the thing that happens between two 
or more musicians who suddenly find themselves on the same musical wavelength 
during the performance of the same song, spontaneously. Here are a few examples.

With Rodney Crowell (pure Louvin Brothers harmony):
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6g8EqgRk-nw 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6g8EqgRk-nwhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6g8EqgRk-nw
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6g8EqgRk-nw 

With John Starling (from the folk group Seldom Scene):
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYs2RbCcKsk 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYs2RbCcKskhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYs2RbCcKsk
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYs2RbCcKsk 

With Dolly Parton and Linda Ronstadt:
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cnieh0Y1V-o 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cnieh0Y1V-ohttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cnieh0Y1V-o
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cnieh0Y1V-o 

With Mark Knopfler:
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsMO0A1iE0I 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsMO0A1iE0Ihttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsMO0A1iE0I
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsMO0A1iE0I 

With Gram:
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vO8C9fqC3uk 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vO8C9fqC3ukhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vO8C9fqC3uk
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vO8C9fqC3uk

[FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Special Knowledge Meeting in the Dome

Dateline: Fairfield, Iowa.   Good meeting.   A full amphitheater at Dalby Hall 
on MUM campus. Good foundational lecture/video by Maharishi visiting Fairfield 
back when the Fairfield meditating community was raising the first Dome. Group 
meditation numbers in those days from the places around campus were around 1500 
in those days. After the video was some time for some q and a discussion. A 
question was asked of the group there, how many people there at this meeting 
were there for the lecture by Maharishi originally. About half of the room. 
That was really interesting to note we are still quite the old experienced 
veteran group of the old movement of those days when you consider that. It was 
a good meditating community meeting.  Was striking how patient Bevan was 
although he could also have every right to be impatient with things too given 
the numbers of how things are going. -Buck
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Yep, venue is at  Dalby Hall 
 

 Saturday, November 2nd at 1:30 pm
 Dalby Hall
 
 
 Notice how much softer and inclusive this announcement reads than the original 
announcement by substituting the words 'meditating community'  for the words 
'Yogic Flyers'?  Turqb mentioned a while ago how alienating it is to drive with 
the "yogic flyer" distinction between meditators of the community.  There is a 
valid observation there. Is interesting the administration is determined to 
drive the distinction seemingly to the end. 
 
 -Buck 
 

 Saturday, November 2nd at 1:30 pm 
 Dalby Hall
 

---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Buck, the poster I saw said it was being held in Dalby Hall.
 
 
 
 

 Video of Maharishi's historic lecture of Dec. 27, 1979, where he discussed 
with the meditating community of the Creating Coherence Program their deepest 
experiences.
 This event happened in the Field House during Maharishi's visit to Maharishi 
International University to witness the final stages of the building of the 
first Golden Dome.
 This tape has been rarely seen. There will be plenty of time for questions and 
answers, and discussion.

 Jai Guru Dev

 -Buck

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RE: Re: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: Growing up transgendered or, confused?

Actually,  I appreciated Judy's tip, (being relatively new to this format) 
though her suggestion that I relished it, for some crazy reason,  is rather 
unfounded.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:


 OTOH, some posters have scolded some other posters for NOT snipping! Go figure!
 

 
 
 On Saturday, November 2, 2013 3:06 PM, wgm4u  wrote:
 
   Thanks for the tip 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 The post a person is responding to (and sometimes a whole string of posts in 
an exchange) always appears when you click on the three dots in the bottom left 
of the Reply box--unless the person who wrote the post has deleted everything, 
which is what BillyG does. Apparently he doesn't like to feel that he's part of 
a discussion, so he gets rid of it all before posting.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 It all depends on what software you're using. I've been monitoring FFL 
messages in IE and Firefox and I've noticed that some posts don't include what 
the person is responding to. However, when you hit reply sometimes the messages 
appear when you scroll down.
 
 And, I've also noticed that hardly anyone follows the netiquette protocols for 
formatting messages anymore. It sure would be helpful if people would do some 
formatting using the old style right angle bracket, but now I realize that's 
really asking to much of people, since mainly they are just shooting from the 
hip with one-liner snickers. There seem to be only about two serious 
respondents left here anyway.
 
 So, I'm using Thunderbird to send and reply to text only posts, but when I 
want to include an image I use Chrome, which has a nice feature to key in the 
location of the image URL. I haven't figured out what happened to the 'source 
view' in Neo to include an image URL. I've also noticed that several people 
have not figured out how to make an active URL link in any program. Go figure.
 
 P.S. At this point, I'm not even posting with the expectation that anyone but 
lurkers would read this stuff, so it's mostly for them to be amused with.
 
 On 11/2/2013 10:40 AM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote:
 
   BillyG, you know, it's courteous to quote a bit of what you're responding 
to, or at least to identify the writer you're responding to. You don't do that, 
and it makes it look as though you don't want to actually have a discussion but 
rather only to make proclamations.

[FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Special Knowledge Meeting in the Dome

 
 Good meeting. A full amphitheater at Dalby Hall on MUM campus. Good 
foundational lecture/video by Maharishi visiting Fairfield, Iowa back when the 
Fairfield meditating community was raising the first Dome. Group meditation 
numbers in those days from the places around campus were around 1500. After the 
video was time for some q and a discussion. A question was asked of the group 
there, how many people present at this meeting were there for the lecture by 
Maharishi originally?  About half of the room. That was really interesting to 
note the depth to which we are still quite the seasoned experienced veteran 
group of the old movement of those days when you consider that. It was a good 
meditating community meeting. I was struck by how patient Bevan is although he 
could also have every right to be impatient with things too given the 
circumstance of the numbers of how things have gone. Was a meeting of the 
meditating community here in progress. -Buck

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Yep, venue is at  Dalby Hall 
 

 Saturday, November 2nd at 1:30 pm
 Dalby Hall
 
 
 Notice how much softer and inclusive this announcement reads than the original 
announcement by substituting the words 'meditating community'  for the words 
'Yogic Flyers'?  Turqb mentioned a while ago how alienating it is to drive with 
the "yogic flyer" distinction between meditators of the community.  There is a 
valid observation there. Is interesting the administration is determined to 
drive the distinction seemingly to the end. 
 
 -Buck 
 

 Saturday, November 2nd at 1:30 pm 
 Dalby Hall
 

---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Buck, the poster I saw said it was being held in Dalby Hall.
 
 
 
 

 Video of Maharishi's historic lecture of Dec. 27, 1979, where he discussed 
with the meditating community of the Creating Coherence Program their deepest 
experiences.
 This event happened in the Field House during Maharishi's visit to Maharishi 
International University to witness the final stages of the building of the 
first Golden Dome.
 This tape has been rarely seen. There will be plenty of time for questions and 
answers, and discussion.

 Jai Guru Dev

 -Buck

[FairfieldLife] AVM's

Wow, 15 years ago today I had an AVM stroke.  Praises be to my brain surgeon 
and the Unified Field in the form of the hand of Shiva.  I live.  After 
meditation now tonight I am going dancing. -Buck 
 

 
http://www.strokeassociation.org/STROKEORG/AboutStroke/TypesofStroke/HemorrhagicBleeds/What-Is-an-Arteriovenous-Malformation-AVM_UCM_310099_Article.jsp
 
http://www.strokeassociation.org/STROKEORG/AboutStroke/TypesofStroke/HemorrhagicBleeds/What-Is-an-Arteriovenous-Malformation-AVM_UCM_310099_Article.jsp

[FairfieldLife] Baby dreams

Unbelievably wonderful:
 

http://www.boredpanda.org/wengenn-in-wonderland-sioin-queenie-liao 
http://www.boredpanda.org/wengenn-in-wonderland-sioin-queenie-liao

Re: Re: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: Growing up transgendered or, confused?

William, I wasn't referring to Judy in terms of posters scolding about people 
not snipping. She wasn't the one who was doing that.

On Saturday, November 2, 2013 4:58 PM, "authfri...@yahoo.com" 
 wrote:

Oh, did you think you were making a snappy, relevant comment here, Share?

Share flubbed:

> OTOH, some posters have scolded some other posters for NOT snipping! Go 
> figure!

You really just don't seem to be getting it about not posting any old thing 
that comes to your mind without giving it a bit of a think first.

On Saturday, November 2, 2013 3:06 PM, wgm4u  wrote:

Thanks for the tip 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

The post a person is responding to (and sometimes a whole string of posts in an 
exchange) always appears when you click on the three dots in the bottom left of 
the Reply box--unless the person who wrote the post has deleted everything, 
which is what BillyG does. Apparently he doesn't like to feel that he's part of 
a discussion, so he gets rid of it all before posting.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

It all depends on what software you're using. I've been monitoring FFL messages 
in IE and Firefox and I've noticed that some posts don't include what the 
person is responding to. However, when you hit reply sometimes the messages 
appear when you scroll down.

And, I've also noticed that hardly anyone follows the netiquette
  protocols for formatting messages anymore. It sure would be
  helpful if people would do some formatting using the old style
  right angle bracket, but now I realize that's really asking to
  much of people, since mainly they are just shooting from the hip
  with one-liner snickers. There seem to be only about two serious
  respondents left here anyway.

So, I'm using Thunderbird to send and reply to text only posts,
  but when I want to include an image I use Chrome, which has a nice
  feature to key in the location of the image URL. I haven't figured
  out what happened to the 'source view' in Neo to include an image
  URL. I've also noticed that several people have not figured out
  how to make an active URL link in any program. Go figure.

P.S. At this point, I'm not even posting with the expectation that
  anyone but lurkers would read this stuff, so it's mostly for them
  to be amused with.

On 11/2/2013 10:40 AM, authfriend@... wrote:
>>>

>BillyG, you know, it's courteous to quote a bit of what you're responding to, 
>or at least to identify the writer you're responding to. You don't do that, 
>and it makes it look as though you don't want to actually have a discussion 
>but rather only to make proclamations.
>
>

[FairfieldLife] RE: Astrology in the New Testament

Astrology is outside my field of expertise. (Along with a hell of a lot of 
other stuff, of course.) But your mentioning the astrological dimension brings 
up something else I've always felt strongly about. And that is: whoever the 
people were who wrote the Gospel accounts they were emphatically not the naive 
peasant/worker types - which is the impression you get from Sunday School - but 
instead they were well-educated and sophisticated and expected their writings 
to be read by a similar class of people.
 

 Alas, the whole field has been dumbed down - like most of modern education!

[FairfieldLife] RE: Baby dreams

2013-11-02 Thread awoelflebater

Brilliant. Amazing what these kids get up to in their sleep. 
 Such inventive uses of blankets and sheets and so many ways to make an inert 
child appear busy! 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Unbelievably wonderful:
 

http://www.boredpanda.org/wengenn-in-wonderland-sioin-queenie-liao 
http://www.boredpanda.org/wengenn-in-wonderland-sioin-queenie-liao

[FairfieldLife] RE: Harmony

 Yes Man Tran were good - a bit AOR maybe? - a bit "commercial" maybe? 
 Here's some quality music. Pentangle in their heyday:
 http://tinyurl.com/od9g4u4 http://tinyurl.com/od9g4u4

 

---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Now you guys got me going here.  Many years ago we saw the Manhattan Transfer 
in Sacramento, CA.  They were excellent in harmonizing songs.  Here they sing 
Route 66:

[FairfieldLife] Michelle Pfeiffer escaped from a cult

Michelle Pfeiffer, the actress, has disclosed that she was once part of a 
“cult” which believed humans can exist without food or water. 
http://tinyurl.com/odb3y4c http://tinyurl.com/odb3y4c

RE: Re: Re: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: Growing up transgendered or, confused?

Did you mean to respond to BilllyG's post, Share, rather than this one? 

Share wrote:

 > William, I wasn't referring to Judy in terms of posters scolding about 
 > people not 
 > snipping. She wasn't the one who was doing that.

 On Saturday, November 2, 2013 4:58 PM, "authfriend@..."  wrote:

   Oh, did you think you were making a snappy, relevant comment here, Share?

 Share flubbed:

 > OTOH, some posters have scolded some other posters for NOT snipping! Go 
 > figure!

 You really just don't seem to be getting it about not posting any old thing 
that comes to your mind without giving it a bit of a think first.

 On Saturday, November 2, 2013 3:06 PM, wgm4u  wrote:

   Thanks for the tip 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 The post a person is responding to (and sometimes a whole string of posts in 
an exchange) always appears when you click on the three dots in the bottom left 
of the Reply box--unless the person who wrote the post has deleted everything, 
which is what BillyG does. Apparently he doesn't like to feel that he's part of 
a discussion, so he gets rid of it all before posting.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 It all depends on what software you're using. I've been monitoring FFL 
messages in IE and Firefox and I've noticed that some posts don't include what 
the person is responding to. However, when you hit reply sometimes the messages 
appear when you scroll down.

 And, I've also noticed that hardly anyone follows the netiquette protocols for 
formatting messages anymore. It sure would be helpful if people would do some 
formatting using the old style right angle bracket, but now I realize that's 
really asking to much of people, since mainly they are just shooting from the 
hip with one-liner snickers. There seem to be only about two serious 
respondents left here anyway.

 So, I'm using Thunderbird to send and reply to text only posts, but when I 
want to include an image I use Chrome, which has a nice feature to key in the 
location of the image URL. I haven't figured out what happened to the 'source 
view' in Neo to include an image URL. I've also noticed that several people 
have not figured out how to make an active URL link in any program. Go figure.

 P.S. At this point, I'm not even posting with the expectation that anyone but 
lurkers would read this stuff, so it's mostly for them to be amused with.

 On 11/2/2013 10:40 AM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote:

   BillyG, you know, it's courteous to quote a bit of what you're responding 
to, or at least to identify the writer you're responding to. You don't do that, 
and it makes it look as though you don't want to actually have a discussion but 
rather only to make proclamations.

[FairfieldLife] RE: Michelle Pfeiffer escaped from a cult

I did it, once, for *four* solid hours. Two years ago, around Columbus Day. 

 

 Nothing - not even a peanut, or half cup of tap water - zip. You probably 
don't believe me, but its true. I think my years of TM helped, a lot. I must 
have been in a trance or something, to withstand it. I seriously thought I was 
going to pass out. Almost like Richard Harris, in that scene, from, "A Man 
Called Horse".

 

 Even so, I am working with a teacher, now, who says I can achieve *five 
hours*, of non-food, non-water - no problem. He's expensive, but worth it. I 
think he's Indian. Total cost is ~$1,000 (not including the non-food and 
non-water, of course). 

 

 This is a tough crowd, here on FFL, so I'll say up front: This guy is no cult 
leader. After all, I've been around the block. Don't knock it, 'til you've 
tried it.

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Michelle Pfeiffer, the actress, has disclosed that she was once part of a 
“cult” which believed humans can exist without food or water. 
http://tinyurl.com/odb3y4c http://tinyurl.com/odb3y4c

[FairfieldLife] RE: Michelle Pfeiffer escaped from a cult

Doc.
 

 What did you experience after four hours without food or water?  Were you also 
meditating during the fast?
 

 

 

---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 I did it, once, for *four* solid hours. Two years ago, around Columbus Day. 

 

 Nothing - not even a peanut, or half cup of tap water - zip. You probably 
don't believe me, but its true. I think my years of TM helped, a lot. I must 
have been in a trance or something, to withstand it. I seriously thought I was 
going to pass out. Almost like Richard Harris, in that scene, from, "A Man 
Called Horse".

 

 Even so, I am working with a teacher, now, who says I can achieve *five 
hours*, of non-food, non-water - no problem. He's expensive, but worth it. I 
think he's Indian. Total cost is ~$1,000 (not including the non-food and 
non-water, of course). 

 

 This is a tough crowd, here on FFL, so I'll say up front: This guy is no cult 
leader. After all, I've been around the block. Don't knock it, 'til you've 
tried it.

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Michelle Pfeiffer, the actress, has disclosed that she was once part of a 
“cult” which believed humans can exist without food or water. 
http://tinyurl.com/odb3y4c http://tinyurl.com/odb3y4c

[FairfieldLife] Before the British Invasion