Re: [H] Need AMD XP Sempron CPU
Did you ever get one? I might have a 3500+ somewhere, I'll check later today. Mark -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of j maccraw Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 4:16 AM To: The Hardware List Subject: [H] Need AMD XP Sempron CPU Well my 4yo+ OC'd AMD XP-M gave up the ghost so I need to replace it. Sucks as i am just about to dump money into new system pass this along to the kids when it croaks. Anyone have a AXDA3200DKV4E Athlon XP 3200+ or SDA3300DKV4E Sempron 3300+ CPU they're looking to unload $90? Thanks! Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.518 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1319 - Release Date: 3/8/2008 10:14 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.518 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1323 - Release Date: 3/10/2008 11:07 AM
Re: [H] Surge suppressor / power filter
The monster fancy stuff that had filtering (the higher end had higher stages of filtering) drove me nuts because it definitely changed the sound, couldn't put my finger on it but it sounded a bit duller. Most of this power filtering crap is just that - crap. Pure snake oil. $5000 for a power cord? Awesome. I don't want anything in the chain CHANGING the sound, for the good or worse. I just plug my amp straight into the wall plug outlet. OH NOES!!! UNCLEAN POWER!!! You can surge your entire house with a single device on the cheap that will give the same amount protection and clean power that a$1K monster deck will provide, like here; http://www.dulley.com/docs/f760.htm I'd just get an inexpensive multi-outlet device that looks esthetically pleasing to your eye - and one that has the capacity to protect all of the items plugged into it (and avoid putting things like laser printers on the circuit). Just be mindful of any equipment that needs a 20amp run instead of 15. Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 20:42:10 -0400 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: [H] Surge suppressor / power filter Looking for what the list uses to protect their computers / home theater equipment. I'm a EE by training so you don't need to educate me on the benefits of clean power, I'm just looking for advice on what products people have used that are good and those that are crap. It would be protecting my home theater and a HTPC and a phone cable jack would be nice. I was thinking a Monster Power HTS 950 would do me just fine but I don't have a lot of experience with their products. - Brian Weeden Technical Consultant Secure World Foundation _ Climb to the top of the charts! Play the word scramble challenge with star power. http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_jan
Re: [H] Surge suppressor / power filter
I do agree with you that there is a large element of snake oil with power protection and conditioning but there is also an element of truth. Certain devices will dirty household power and certain devices are sensitive to it. If you have ever run into ground loops or feedback in a car audio install then you know exactly what I'm talking about. The situation is a lot less worse in the home (unless you happen to have a really messed up ground) but there are some similarities. My limit on such expenditures is always a fraction of what I am protecting. If I have $3000 in home theater and computer gear, spending 5% on surge protection seems reasonable, IF (and that's a big if) the products do what they are supposed to. If I had $20,000 in home audio separates along with my Martin Logan speakers then I would probably think about getting a true power conditioner. But I don't. - Brian Weeden Technical Consultant Secure World Foundation On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 9:54 AM, Hayes Elkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The monster fancy stuff that had filtering (the higher end had higher stages of filtering) drove me nuts because it definitely changed the sound, couldn't put my finger on it but it sounded a bit duller. Most of this power filtering crap is just that - crap. Pure snake oil. $5000 for a power cord? Awesome. I don't want anything in the chain CHANGING the sound, for the good or worse. I just plug my amp straight into the wall plug outlet. OH NOES!!! UNCLEAN POWER!!! You can surge your entire house with a single device on the cheap that will give the same amount protection and clean power that a$1K monster deck will provide, like here; http://www.dulley.com/docs/f760.htm I'd just get an inexpensive multi-outlet device that looks esthetically pleasing to your eye - and one that has the capacity to protect all of the items plugged into it (and avoid putting things like laser printers on the circuit). Just be mindful of any equipment that needs a 20amp run instead of 15. Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 20:42:10 -0400 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: [H] Surge suppressor / power filter Looking for what the list uses to protect their computers / home theater equipment. I'm a EE by training so you don't need to educate me on the benefits of clean power, I'm just looking for advice on what products people have used that are good and those that are crap. It would be protecting my home theater and a HTPC and a phone cable jack would be nice. I was thinking a Monster Power HTS 950 would do me just fine but I don't have a lot of experience with their products. - Brian Weeden Technical Consultant Secure World Foundation _ Climb to the top of the charts! Play the word scramble challenge with star power. http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_jan
Re: [H] Surge suppressor / power filter
The solution is to hire a competent contractor to find the problem outlets and fix them for 1/10th the cost of buying a snake oil. Usually this can get accomplished in tandem with your home inspection before buying your house. That mantra of needing to spend a fixed PERCENTAGE on accessories (many of which are rife with snake oil) to compliment the cost of your main home theater purchase is the biggest SCAM still gobbled up by the gullible consumer. Speakers, amplifiers, and displays have justifiable cost because they are generally expensive to manufacturer, especially the more powerful and bigger you go. But sorry, cables, wire, surge protectors, and stands are not items anybody needs to spend hundreds of bucks on, let alone thousands. 3' HDMI cables for over $50? You kidding me? You'd think after all components have gone digital the snake oil pricing would disappear with their analog relics. I'm a reformed snake oil audiophile. A sales guy says I need to spend $500 on speaker cable just because of the price of my front speakers? Fuck you, I'm buying lamp cord. I replaced all of my audioquest speaker cable with 12 gauge RadioShack wire - and I dumped all my interconnects entirely since I'm using all HDMI components (and cheap HDMI at that, from bluejeanscable) - and I noticed not a lick of difference firing my Paradigm studio 100s. I guarantee you will not either. Roger Russell, former McIntosh loudspeaker engineer, first enlightened me here years ago: http://www.roger-russell.com/wire/wire.htm In fact, A/V snake oil has become so absurd that it has alerted noted quackbuster James Randi, a famous skeptic who offers $1,000,000 to prove paranormal ability. That's right, the guy who deals with debunking religious fairy tales, mythical powers and quack medicine, now thinks that the notion of $5000 speaker wire being better than average wire is paranormal. LOL. http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/calling-bullshit/james-randi-offers-1-million-if-audiophiles-can-prove-7250-speaker-cables-are-better-305549.php So next time a snooty salesman tries to sell you the virtue of a $100 Monster 1000 HDMI cable vs. a cheaper line, or that a $2000 3' digital coax cable from Kimber is clearly superior to a normal 75ohm coax from Ratshack - don’t bother arguing, instead direct them to http://www.randi.org/joom/content/view/38/31/ and tell them they are a future millionaire. Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 10:08:02 -0400 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Surge suppressor / power filter I do agree with you that there is a large element of snake oil with power protection and conditioning but there is also an element of truth. Certain devices will dirty household power and certain devices are sensitive to it. If you have ever run into ground loops or feedback in a car audio install then you know exactly what I'm talking about. The situation is a lot less worse in the home (unless you happen to have a really messed up ground) but there are some similarities. My limit on such expenditures is always a fraction of what I am protecting. If I have $3000 in home theater and computer gear, spending 5% on surge protection seems reasonable, IF (and that's a big if) the products do what they are supposed to. If I had $20,000 in home audio separates along with my Martin Logan speakers then I would probably think about getting a true power conditioner. But I don't. - Brian Weeden Technical Consultant Secure World Foundation _ Climb to the top of the charts! Play the word scramble challenge with star power. http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_jan
[H] The best Socket 775 Heatsink/fan combo?
Hi, I just wanted to get the collectives thoughts on heatsink/fan combo's for a Q6600. I've been running it with the stock cooler for a while now but I'm thinking of trying the 3Ghz overclock as most people seem to be able to get there with no issues (this is the first system I have not overclocked out the box). What would be the ultimate air cooling solution? I'm not interested in liquid cooling. Thanks, Gary If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail message, please notify the sender and delete all copies immediately. The sender believes this message and any attachments were sent free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and other forms of malicious code. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. The recipient opens any attachments at the recipient's own risk, and in so doing, the recipient accepts full responsibility for such actions and agrees to take protective and remedial action relating to any malicious code. Travelport is not liable for any loss or damage arising from this message or its attachments.
Re: [H] The best Socket 775 Heatsink/fan combo?
The thermalright and scythe flagships are considered the best overall - the fact they are so monsterous make them a favorite among silentPC enthusiasts because you can use relatively low noise/underpowered 120mm fans instead of stock. The cooling cababilities of the XP 120 and Ninja (now all copper) with stock fans and speeds, even on quad cores, is under-utilized at the moment. Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 12:20:09 -0600 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: [H] The best Socket 775 Heatsink/fan combo? Hi, I just wanted to get the collectives thoughts on heatsink/fan combo's for a Q6600. I've been running it with the stock cooler for a while now but I'm thinking of trying the 3Ghz overclock as most people seem to be able to get there with no issues (this is the first system I have not overclocked out the box). What would be the ultimate air cooling solution? I'm not interested in liquid cooling. Thanks, Gary If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail message, please notify the sender and delete all copies immediately. The sender believes this message and any attachments were sent free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and other forms of malicious code. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. The recipient opens any attachments at the recipient's own risk, and in so doing, the recipient accepts full responsibility for such actions and agrees to take protective and remedial action relating to any malicious code. Travelport is not liable for any loss or damage arising from this message or its attachments. _ Need to know the score, the latest news, or you need your Hotmail®-get your fix. http://www.msnmobilefix.com/Default.aspx
Re: [H] The best Socket 775 Heatsink/fan combo?
You don't need ultimate for the Q6600 from what I've read so the Coolermaster Hyper TX2 is excellent and very inexpensive. Hunter, Gary wrote: Hi, I just wanted to get the collectives thoughts on heatsink/fan combo's for a Q6600. I've been running it with the stock cooler for a while now but I'm thinking of trying the 3Ghz overclock as most people seem to be able to get there with no issues (this is the first system I have not overclocked out the box). What would be the ultimate air cooling solution? I'm not interested in liquid cooling. Thanks, Gary If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail message, please notify the sender and delete all copies immediately. The sender believes this message and any attachments were sent free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and other forms of malicious code. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. The recipient opens any attachments at the recipient's own risk, and in so doing, the recipient accepts full responsibility for such actions and agrees to take protective and remedial action relating to any malicious code. Travelport is not liable for any loss or damage arising from this message or its attachments.
[H] FF3 5 times faster than IE7
And also uses less RAM than FF2, which will be nice. http://blogs.zdnet.com/Burnette/?p=548tag=nl.e539 T
Re: [H] FF3 5 times faster than IE7
I've been using Beta 3 for a while and now Beta 4. They fixed a lot of bugs and it hardly crashes anymore. Gmail and other google apps are wicked fast and it does a much better job at memory leaks. The only downside I have come across is that the vast majority of extensions don't work with FF3 yet. On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 2:58 PM, Thane Sherrington [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And also uses less RAM than FF2, which will be nice. http://blogs.zdnet.com/Burnette/?p=548tag=nl.e539 T
Re: [H] Surge suppressor / power filter
pretty much ANYTHING is better then Radio Shack CRAP. You had your stroke yet, you sure do rant :-D fp At 12:08 PM 3/11/2008, Hayes Elkins Poked the stick with: So next time a snooty salesman tries to sell you the virtue of a $100 Monster 1000 HDMI cable vs. a cheaper line, or that a $2000 3' digital coax cable from Kimber is clearly superior to a normal 75ohm coax from Ratshack - dont bother arguing, instead direct them to http://www.randi.org/joom/content/view/38/31/ and tell them they are a future millionaire. -- Tallyho ! ]:8) Taglines below ! -- Kindergarten Rules: Be kind. Be safe. Be protective.
Re: [H] Surge suppressor / power filter
You REALLY believe that, as far as cabling? Again, you might just be a millionaire! Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 15:15:00 -0700 To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [H] Surge suppressor / power filter pretty much ANYTHING is better then Radio Shack CRAP. You had your stroke yet, you sure do rant :-D fp At 12:08 PM 3/11/2008, Hayes Elkins Poked the stick with: So next time a snooty salesman tries to sell you the virtue of a $100 Monster 1000 HDMI cable vs. a cheaper line, or that a $2000 3' digital coax cable from Kimber is clearly superior to a normal 75ohm coax from Ratshack - don’t bother arguing, instead direct them to http://www.randi.org/joom/content/view/38/31/ and tell them they are a future millionaire. -- Tallyho ! ]:8) Taglines below ! -- Kindergarten Rules: Be kind. Be safe. Be protective. _ Helping your favorite cause is as easy as instant messaging. You IM, we give. http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=text_hotmail_join
Re: [H] Surge suppressor / power filter
Blind test between Monster cable and a metal coat hanger: http://consumerist.com/362926/do-coat-hangers-sound-as-good-monster-cables Now, if you are talking about having the proper gauge of wire for certain applications (ie high amperage) or having good, well-made connectors, then yeah there is a difference. But your oxygen-infused triple-platinum connectors? I've got a bridge to sell you. -- Brian On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 6:21 PM, Hayes Elkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You REALLY believe that, as far as cabling? Again, you might just be a millionaire! Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 15:15:00 -0700 To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [H] Surge suppressor / power filter pretty much ANYTHING is better then Radio Shack CRAP. You had your stroke yet, you sure do rant :-D fp At 12:08 PM 3/11/2008, Hayes Elkins Poked the stick with: So next time a snooty salesman tries to sell you the virtue of a $100 Monster 1000 HDMI cable vs. a cheaper line, or that a $2000 3' digital coax cable from Kimber is clearly superior to a normal 75ohm coax from Ratshack - don't bother arguing, instead direct them to http://www.randi.org/joom/content/view/38/31/ and tell them they are a future millionaire. -- Tallyho ! ]:8) Taglines below ! -- Kindergarten Rules: Be kind. Be safe. Be protective. _ Helping your favorite cause is as easy as instant messaging. You IM, we give. http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=text_hotmail_join
Re: [H] Surge suppressor / power filter
A good friend of mine is a EE who works for Micron. He is responsible for final testing, and certification of all new memory. He is a big time audiophile, and likes improvisional jazz. In fact, he has had a lot of success with a side business designing and making high end headphone amps, and last I heard Apple certified his products to be ipod worthy. I once asked him about the importance of cabling. He told me that when he was a grad student he decided to build a tester to check different audio wiring in order to come up with the best one. He discovered that not only was there very little difference, if any, between brands, but Walmart brand performed the best for his tester! At 03:26 PM 3/11/2008, you wrote: Blind test between Monster cable and a metal coat hanger: http://consumerist.com/362926/do-coat-hangers-sound-as-good-monster-cables Now, if you are talking about having the proper gauge of wire for certain applications (ie high amperage) or having good, well-made connectors, then yeah there is a difference. But your oxygen-infused triple-platinum connectors? I've got a bridge to sell you. -- Brian On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 6:21 PM, Hayes Elkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You REALLY believe that, as far as cabling? Again, you might just be a millionaire! Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 15:15:00 -0700 To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [H] Surge suppressor / power filter pretty much ANYTHING is better then Radio Shack CRAP. You had your stroke yet, you sure do rant :-D fp At 12:08 PM 3/11/2008, Hayes Elkins Poked the stick with: So next time a snooty salesman tries to sell you the virtue of a $100 Monster 1000 HDMI cable vs. a cheaper line, or that a $2000 3' digital coax cable from Kimber is clearly superior to a normal 75ohm coax from Ratshack - don't bother arguing, instead direct them to http://www.randi.org/joom/content/view/38/31/ and tell them they are a future millionaire. -- Tallyho ! ]:8) Taglines below ! -- Kindergarten Rules: Be kind. Be safe. Be protective. _ Helping your favorite cause is as easy as instant messaging. You IM, we give. http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=text_hotmail_join
Re: [H] Surge suppressor / power filter
I'm running a Belkin F6C1100-UNV, 1100VA, UPS. It has worked flawlessly through several power outages, and, has done the automatic shut down routine once with no problems. The accompanying software gives all the levels and battery conditions real-time. I've just been very impressed with it. Jeff 'You know that your landing gear is up and locked when it takes full power to taxi to the terminal.' Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 3:15 PM Subject: Re: [H] Surge suppressor / power filter pretty much ANYTHING is better then Radio Shack CRAP. You had your stroke yet, you sure do rant :-D fp At 12:08 PM 3/11/2008, Hayes Elkins Poked the stick with: So next time a snooty salesman tries to sell you the virtue of a $100 Monster 1000 HDMI cable vs. a cheaper line, or that a $2000 3' digital coax cable from Kimber is clearly superior to a normal 75ohm coax from Ratshack - don't bother arguing, instead direct them to http://www.randi.org/joom/content/view/38/31/ and tell them they are a future millionaire. -- Tallyho ! ]:8) Taglines below ! -- Kindergarten Rules: Be kind. Be safe. Be protective.
Re: [H] FF3 5 times faster than IE7
I've reached the same conclusion. I tried the hack to get extensions to work and most of them still aren't in B3. On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 7:00 PM, James Boswell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I, for one, am sticking with B3 until Greasemonkey is updated. aaah, greasemonkey, whatever would I do without it. :) The OSX UI has really come along though, it actually looks and behaves more or less like a Mac app now. :D On 11 Mar 2008, at 19:12, Brian Weeden wrote: I've been using Beta 3 for a while and now Beta 4. They fixed a lot of bugs and it hardly crashes anymore. Gmail and other google apps are wicked fast and it does a much better job at memory leaks. The only downside I have come across is that the vast majority of extensions don't work with FF3 yet. On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 2:58 PM, Thane Sherrington [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And also uses less RAM than FF2, which will be nice. http://blogs.zdnet.com/Burnette/?p=548tag=nl.e539 T
Re: [H] The best Socket 775 Heatsink/fan combo?
From what I've read I know it should overclock well but I want to ensure I remove as much heat as possible to ensure the long life of the CPU. I have had CPU's before that have died earlier than expected that I put down to high temps of time (18-24 months). I realize I will probably have upgraded by then but you never know. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stan Zaske Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 12:30 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] The best Socket 775 Heatsink/fan combo? You don't need ultimate for the Q6600 from what I've read so the Coolermaster Hyper TX2 is excellent and very inexpensive. Hunter, Gary wrote: Hi, I just wanted to get the collectives thoughts on heatsink/fan combo's for a Q6600. I've been running it with the stock cooler for a while now but I'm thinking of trying the 3Ghz overclock as most people seem to be able to get there with no issues (this is the first system I have not overclocked out the box). What would be the ultimate air cooling solution? I'm not interested in liquid cooling. Thanks, Gary If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail message, please notify the sender and delete all copies immediately. The sender believes this message and any attachments were sent free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and other forms of malicious code. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. The recipient opens any attachments at the recipient's own risk, and in so doing, the recipient accepts full responsibility for such actions and agrees to take protective and remedial action relating to any malicious code. Travelport is not liable for any loss or damage arising from this message or its attachments. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail message, please notify the sender and delete all copies immediately. The sender believes this message and any attachments were sent free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and other forms of malicious code. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. The recipient opens any attachments at the recipient's own risk, and in so doing, the recipient accepts full responsibility for such actions and agrees to take protective and remedial action relating to any malicious code. Travelport is not liable for any loss or damage arising from this message or its attachments.
Re: [H] The best Socket 775 Heatsink/fan combo?
I'm tending towards Scythe Mugen/Infinity's at the moment. Previously I've been a big fan of the Scythe Ninja, infact, I ran an Opteron 175 @ 2.64Ghz/1.5v under one semi-passively (no fan on the HSF, good case airflow) for over a year. I even read a review of one which used an early 3Ghz Prescott (the Presshot stepping) and it ran THAT passively at about 70c.. but still.. On 11 Mar 2008, at 18:20, Hunter, Gary wrote: Hi, I just wanted to get the collectives thoughts on heatsink/fan combo's for a Q6600. I've been running it with the stock cooler for a while now but I'm thinking of trying the 3Ghz overclock as most people seem to be able to get there with no issues (this is the first system I have not overclocked out the box). What would be the ultimate air cooling solution? I'm not interested in liquid cooling. Thanks, Gary If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail message, please notify the sender and delete all copies immediately. The sender believes this message and any attachments were sent free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and other forms of malicious code. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. The recipient opens any attachments at the recipient's own risk, and in so doing, the recipient accepts full responsibility for such actions and agrees to take protective and remedial action relating to any malicious code. Travelport is not liable for any loss or damage arising from this message or its attachments.
Re: [H] The best Socket 775 Heatsink/fan combo?
Some recommendations from the Arstechnica guys here: http://arstechnica.com/guides/buyer/guide-200801.ars/3 On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 7:26 PM, James Boswell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm tending towards Scythe Mugen/Infinity's at the moment. Previously I've been a big fan of the Scythe Ninja, infact, I ran an Opteron 175 @ 2.64Ghz/1.5v under one semi-passively (no fan on the HSF, good case airflow) for over a year. I even read a review of one which used an early 3Ghz Prescott (the Presshot stepping) and it ran THAT passively at about 70c.. but still.. On 11 Mar 2008, at 18:20, Hunter, Gary wrote: Hi, I just wanted to get the collectives thoughts on heatsink/fan combo's for a Q6600. I've been running it with the stock cooler for a while now but I'm thinking of trying the 3Ghz overclock as most people seem to be able to get there with no issues (this is the first system I have not overclocked out the box). What would be the ultimate air cooling solution? I'm not interested in liquid cooling. Thanks, Gary If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail message, please notify the sender and delete all copies immediately. The sender believes this message and any attachments were sent free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and other forms of malicious code. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. The recipient opens any attachments at the recipient's own risk, and in so doing, the recipient accepts full responsibility for such actions and agrees to take protective and remedial action relating to any malicious code. Travelport is not liable for any loss or damage arising from this message or its attachments.
Re: [H] The best Socket 775 Heatsink/fan combo?
I've Just ordered the Scythe, SCASM-1000. It's got a top facing Fan which will force the air towards the fans on the side of my case. I really think top facing fans are better in my case. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of James Boswell Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 5:27 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] The best Socket 775 Heatsink/fan combo? I'm tending towards Scythe Mugen/Infinity's at the moment. Previously I've been a big fan of the Scythe Ninja, infact, I ran an Opteron 175 @ 2.64Ghz/1.5v under one semi-passively (no fan on the HSF, good case airflow) for over a year. I even read a review of one which used an early 3Ghz Prescott (the Presshot stepping) and it ran THAT passively at about 70c.. but still.. On 11 Mar 2008, at 18:20, Hunter, Gary wrote: Hi, I just wanted to get the collectives thoughts on heatsink/fan combo's for a Q6600. I've been running it with the stock cooler for a while now but I'm thinking of trying the 3Ghz overclock as most people seem to be able to get there with no issues (this is the first system I have not overclocked out the box). What would be the ultimate air cooling solution? I'm not interested in liquid cooling. Thanks, Gary If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail message, please notify the sender and delete all copies immediately. The sender believes this message and any attachments were sent free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and other forms of malicious code. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. The recipient opens any attachments at the recipient's own risk, and in so doing, the recipient accepts full responsibility for such actions and agrees to take protective and remedial action relating to any malicious code. Travelport is not liable for any loss or damage arising from this message or its attachments. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail message, please notify the sender and delete all copies immediately. The sender believes this message and any attachments were sent free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and other forms of malicious code. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. The recipient opens any attachments at the recipient's own risk, and in so doing, the recipient accepts full responsibility for such actions and agrees to take protective and remedial action relating to any malicious code. Travelport is not liable for any loss or damage arising from this message or its attachments.
Re: [H] Need AMD XP Sempron CPU
Yes, silly me! Picked up a new Sempron 3300+ for $75 which is essentially a XP 3200+ Barton. Unfortunately it ended up being my (2nd) shit Antec TruePower 480W toasting caps on the 5V rail which is what Asus A7N8X uses for vcore causing the problem. Problem now is tracking down a reputable (non-antec, by principle) PSU w/ 5V rail = 40A which are near non-existent given modern ATX12V 2.x emphasis on 12V amps paltry 30A or less 5V rail.I see great used ones like a OCZ ModStream, but like a car, you can't be sure the last driver didn't abuse it. ;) Thanks to all who made offers! mark.dodge wrote: Did you ever get one? I might have a 3500+ somewhere, I'll check later today. Mark -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of j maccraw Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 4:16 AM To: The Hardware List Subject: [H] Need AMD XP Sempron CPU Well my 4yo+ OC'd AMD XP-M gave up the ghost so I need to replace it. Sucks as i am just about to dump money into new system pass this along to the kids when it croaks. Anyone have a AXDA3200DKV4E Athlon XP 3200+ or SDA3300DKV4E Sempron 3300+ CPU they're looking to unload $90? Thanks! Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
Re: [H] Need AMD XP Sempron CPU
$78?!?!?! Seriously a le-1640 at $25 less would wipe the floors. Just bute the bullet go am2 and be done. :) Sent via BlackBerry by ATT -Original Message- From: j maccraw [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 17:46:55 To:hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Need AMD XP Sempron CPU Yes, silly me! Picked up a new Sempron 3300+ for $75 which is essentially a XP 3200+ Barton. Unfortunately it ended up being my (2nd) shit Antec TruePower 480W toasting caps on the 5V rail which is what Asus A7N8X uses for vcore causing the problem. Problem now is tracking down a reputable (non-antec, by principle) PSU w/ 5V rail = 40A which are near non-existent given modern ATX12V 2.x emphasis on 12V amps paltry 30A or less 5V rail.I see great used ones like a OCZ ModStream, but like a car, you can't be sure the last driver didn't abuse it. ;) Thanks to all who made offers! mark.dodge wrote: Did you ever get one? I might have a 3500+ somewhere, I'll check later today. Mark -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of j maccraw Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 4:16 AM To: The Hardware List Subject: [H] Need AMD XP Sempron CPU Well my 4yo+ OC'd AMD XP-M gave up the ghost so I need to replace it. Sucks as i am just about to dump money into new system pass this along to the kids when it croaks. Anyone have a AXDA3200DKV4E Athlon XP 3200+ or SDA3300DKV4E Sempron 3300+ CPU they're looking to unload $90? Thanks! Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
Re: [H] Surge suppressor / power filter
Not being an EE could not argue for or against Monster except on wires or interconnects as they tend to call them which I also think are snake oil unless maybe your talking 1000's of feet or outside runs, still My rule of surge protectors is buy only ones that come with insurance like the APC's (and several other brands) do or they are simply overrated power taps. Hayes Elkins wrote: The monster fancy stuff that had filtering (the higher end had higher stages of filtering) drove me nuts because it definitely changed the sound, couldn't put my finger on it but it sounded a bit duller. Most of this power filtering crap is just that - crap. Pure snake oil. $5000 for a power cord? Awesome. I don't want anything in the chain CHANGING the sound, for the good or worse. I just plug my amp straight into the wall plug outlet. OH NOES!!! UNCLEAN POWER!!! You can surge your entire house with a single device on the cheap that will give the same amount protection and clean power that a$1K monster deck will provide, like here; http://www.dulley.com/docs/f760.htm I'd just get an inexpensive multi-outlet device that looks esthetically pleasing to your eye - and one that has the capacity to protect all of the items plugged into it (and avoid putting things like laser printers on the circuit). Just be mindful of any equipment that needs a 20amp run instead of 15. Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
Re: [H] Surge suppressor / power filter
Brian, The ...oxygen-infused triple-platinum connectors really only have worth in the pure audio crowd. This is a crowd I have a life-time of experience with. Hayes, bless his heart, frequently tweaks me and my primo audio side. It is a button. Ears are very personal. Commercial 10//3 romex internal house electrical stuff makes really 'good' audio speaker cable. A bit large for all things digital, but if you have the proper connectors, works fine. (looks really odd!) If your have a really large amp, it really likes all that copper to flow watts to the speakers. JMHO. (but I am a Kimber-freak! Been one for 25yrs) In the venues you have been asking about (htpc), it really boils down to what you feel you want to do (regardless of what any of us share); because in the end you will do a cost/value analysis, and then make your choices. GO FOR IT. And, after it is installed and working, let us know how it works! Best, Duncan At 18:26 03/11/2008 -0400, you wrote: Blind test between Monster cable and a metal coat hanger: http://consumerist.com/362926/do-coat-hangers-sound-as-good-monster-cables Now, if you are talking about having the proper gauge of wire for certain applications (ie high amperage) or having good, well-made connectors, then yeah there is a difference. But your oxygen-infused triple-platinum connectors? I've got a bridge to sell you. -- Brian On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 6:21 PM, Hayes Elkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You REALLY believe that, as far as cabling? Again, you might just be a millionaire! Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 15:15:00 -0700 To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [H] Surge suppressor / power filter pretty much ANYTHING is better then Radio Shack CRAP. You had your stroke yet, you sure do rant :-D fp At 12:08 PM 3/11/2008, Hayes Elkins Poked the stick with: So next time a snooty salesman tries to sell you the virtue of a $100 Monster 1000 HDMI cable vs. a cheaper line, or that a $2000 3' digital coax cable from Kimber is clearly superior to a normal 75ohm coax from Ratshack - don't bother arguing, instead direct them to http://www.randi.org/joom/content/view/38/31/ and tell them they are a future millionaire. -- Tallyho ! ]:8) Taglines below ! -- Kindergarten Rules: Be kind. Be safe. Be protective. _ Helping your favorite cause is as easy as instant messaging. You IM, we give. http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=text_hotmail_join
Re: [H] Surge suppressor / power filter
Brian, Ignore my last reply. Hayes, Just kidding! (sort of) Winterlight, All my life I've waited for an objective proof of this. Not sure your friend is correct, but, at this time we live in, I will accept his non-scientific opinion. Audio business is seriously back-yard. We are now all a very video-centric bunch of tweaks, I believe. Best, Duncan At 15:39 03/11/2008 -0700, you wrote: A good friend of mine is a EE who works for Micron. He is responsible for final testing, and certification of all new memory. He is a big time audiophile, and likes improvisional jazz. In fact, he has had a lot of success with a side business designing and making high end headphone amps, and last I heard Apple certified his products to be ipod worthy. I once asked him about the importance of cabling. He told me that when he was a grad student he decided to build a tester to check different audio wiring in order to come up with the best one. He discovered that not only was there very little difference, if any, between brands, but Walmart brand performed the best for his tester! At 03:26 PM 3/11/2008, you wrote: Blind test between Monster cable and a metal coat hanger: http://consumerist.com/362926/do-coat-hangers-sound-as-good-monster-cables Now, if you are talking about having the proper gauge of wire for certain applications (ie high amperage) or having good, well-made connectors, then yeah there is a difference. But your oxygen-infused triple-platinum connectors? I've got a bridge to sell you. -- Brian On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 6:21 PM, Hayes Elkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You REALLY believe that, as far as cabling? Again, you might just be a millionaire! Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 15:15:00 -0700 To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [H] Surge suppressor / power filter pretty much ANYTHING is better then Radio Shack CRAP. You had your stroke yet, you sure do rant :-D fp At 12:08 PM 3/11/2008, Hayes Elkins Poked the stick with: So next time a snooty salesman tries to sell you the virtue of a $100 Monster 1000 HDMI cable vs. a cheaper line, or that a $2000 3' digital coax cable from Kimber is clearly superior to a normal 75ohm coax from Ratshack - don't bother arguing, instead direct them to http://www.randi.org/joom/content/view/38/31/ and tell them they are a future millionaire. -- Tallyho ! ]:8) Taglines below ! -- Kindergarten Rules: Be kind. Be safe. Be protective. _ Helping your favorite cause is as easy as instant messaging. You IM, we give. http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=text_hotmail_join
Re: [H] Surge suppressor / power filter
As a EE myself, I tend to agree with your EE friend. :-) I use cheap 16-gauge lamp cord to connect my speakers. Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP (WLMail) -- From: Winterlight [EMAIL PROTECTED] A good friend of mine is a EE who works for Micron. He is responsible for final testing, and certification of all new memory. He is a big time audiophile, and likes improvisional jazz. In fact, he has had a lot of success with a side business designing and making high end headphone amps, and last I heard Apple certified his products to be ipod worthy. I once asked him about the importance of cabling. He told me that when he was a grad student he decided to build a tester to check different audio wiring in order to come up with the best one. He discovered that not only was there very little difference, if any, between brands, but Walmart brand performed the best for his tester!
Re: [H] Need AMD XP Sempron CPU
Bite the bullet? thanks Chris, you writing the check on that new system for me? AM2, Are you serious? Personally I'm waiting for the Asus Rampage to ship I will build a Q6600 Intel system, screw AMD. Meanwhile the XP box is more than capable of playing HL2 at decent frame rates and has a brand new AGP video card (had to replace that dead 9800) useless on a PCI-E system. In other words perfect for the kids to game on, hell it's been enough for me. So no I did not want to spend $75 on a CPU only to find it was another shit Antec PSU that is now out of warranty. Certainly did not want to then have to spend another $50-60 on the seemingly no longer made by any quality company ATX 1.3 PSU. To dump an otherwise functional system over $150 in repairs to keep it running vs. $1000+ for new makes no sense to me esp. with two kids and only one other game pc in the house. Saving grace, I may be able to resell the XP-M that is not the problem after all. I know I could resell the Sempron break even despite Chris' surprise. ;) Chris Reeves wrote: $78?!?!?! Seriously a le-1640 at $25 less would wipe the floors. Just bute the bullet go am2 and be done. :) Sent via BlackBerry by ATT -Original Message- From: j maccraw [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 17:46:55 To:hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Need AMD XP Sempron CPU Yes, silly me! Picked up a new Sempron 3300+ for $75 which is essentially a XP 3200+ Barton. Unfortunately it ended up being my (2nd) shit Antec TruePower 480W toasting caps on the 5V rail which is what Asus A7N8X uses for vcore causing the problem. Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping
Re: [H] Need AMD XP Sempron CPU
Yes, I'm being serious. Ok, let's say $78 is the max you want to spend, and you have a new AGP video card you want to use. Fine, you can grab an AM2 with AGP (they exist, SIS) for about $33. Grab an AM2 Processor for $35, and a stick of 1G for $10. Bam. You just spent $78. And you ended up with a LE-1150, yeah, a blah board but you support your video card, and off you go. Sure, you'd still be cooked to find out it was your power supply, which is a given, but on the other end, your DDR and other components (like the Asus board) would sell to make up about 1/2 the distance. :) I'm not talking about spending a ton of money.. but an LE-1150, a chip you can grab OEM for less then $35, would be easily the equal and superior to a Sempron whatever SocketA, the board wouldn't be, but you'd keep the AGP card so who cares, and you'd get better SATA, USB, etc. support. Just saying, if your budget was $78, the combo is out there ;) CW -Original message- From: j maccraw [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 17:51:34 -0700 To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Need AMD XP Sempron CPU Bite the bullet? thanks Chris, you writing the check on that new system for me? AM2, Are you serious? Personally I'm waiting for the Asus Rampage to ship I will build a Q6600 Intel system, screw AMD. Meanwhile the XP box is more than capable of playing HL2 at decent frame rates and has a brand new AGP video card (had to replace that dead 9800) useless on a PCI-E system. In other words perfect for the kids to game on, hell it's been enough for me. So no I did not want to spend $75 on a CPU only to find it was another shit Antec PSU that is now out of warranty. Certainly did not want to then have to spend another $50-60 on the seemingly no longer made by any quality company ATX 1.3 PSU. To dump an otherwise functional system over $150 in repairs to keep it running vs. $1000+ for new makes no sense to me esp. with two kids and only one other game pc in the house. Saving grace, I may be able to resell the XP-M that is not the problem after all. I know I could resell the Sempron break even despite Chris' surprise. ;) Chris Reeves wrote: $78?!?!?! Seriously a le-1640 at $25 less would wipe the floors. Just bute the bullet go am2 and be done. :) Sent via BlackBerry by ATT -Original Message- From: j maccraw [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 17:46:55 To:hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Need AMD XP Sempron CPU Yes, silly me! Picked up a new Sempron 3300+ for $75 which is essentially a XP 3200+ Barton. Unfortunately it ended up being my (2nd) shit Antec TruePower 480W toasting caps on the 5V rail which is what Asus A7N8X uses for vcore causing the problem. Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping
[H] Interrupts issue - Win XP.
Hey, A while back someone gave me an older PC that I set up for my youngest daughter. It is a PIII 700Mhz machine running XP Pro and 512MB RAM. The system started running slowly. I tracked it down to a very high interrupt processing time (30-90% viewed via process explorer). The drive is stuck in one of the PIO modes. I ran the registry mods that I think I got from here a long time ago and it did not fix it. I tried various things that I found out via Google, but still nothing. I even replaced it with another drive thinking that it might be a drive issue. But it is the same old thing. Anyone know what else I might try? Do you think it might be the EIDE controller on the MB? I could put a Promise EIDE controller in there, but most likely I'd have to format and start over. Thanks, Bobby
Re: [H] Surge suppressor / power filter
The first real objective proof I came across that really opened my eyes (and maybe my ears?) was Roger Russell's rant (a former engineer of high end McIntosh speakers and amps) http://www.roger-russell.com/wire/wire.htm And for shits and giggles, I present to you all the most profoundly stupid audiophile snake oil ever offered for sale: Pebbles. Bags of pebbles to be exact. I think a bag of crack rock would be more beneficial to modifying the perceived sound passing through your ears, especially after smoking a bit of the bag's contents - http://www.machinadynamica.com/machina31.htm Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 21:40:35 -0400 To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [H] Surge suppressor / power filter Brian, Ignore my last reply. Hayes, Just kidding! (sort of) Winterlight, All my life I've waited for an objective proof of this. Not sure your friend is correct, but, at this time we live in, I will accept his non-scientific opinion. Audio business is seriously back-yard. We are now all a very video-centric bunch of tweaks, I believe. Best, Duncan At 15:39 03/11/2008 -0700, you wrote: A good friend of mine is a EE who works for Micron. He is responsible for final testing, and certification of all new memory. He is a big time audiophile, and likes improvisional jazz. In fact, he has had a lot of success with a side business designing and making high end headphone amps, and last I heard Apple certified his products to be ipod worthy. I once asked him about the importance of cabling. He told me that when he was a grad student he decided to build a tester to check different audio wiring in order to come up with the best one. He discovered that not only was there very little difference, if any, between brands, but Walmart brand performed the best for his tester! _ Need to know the score, the latest news, or you need your Hotmail®-get your fix. http://www.msnmobilefix.com/Default.aspx
Re: [H] Interrupts issue - Win XP.
Had similar issues with some machines at work--namely, ultra-portable laptops with slow hard drives. When Windows was resumed from standby, the hard drives were taking a while to spin back up--and Windows was trying to access them before they were ready and timing out. After a set number of errors, Windows will set the drives to PIO mode, and no other change I tried could re-enable DMA. I finally found this article that showed me where the in the registry to reset the maximum allowable mode and how to modify the system such that the error counter is reset to 0 after a success. Before, the counter was never decremented or reset...it was always growing. http://winhlp.com/node/10 Note that you must be running SP2 for the reset-on-success modification to function. I didn't use the VBScript referenced, I manually set the registry values and rebooted the machine. Greg -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hardware- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 9:26 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: [H] Interrupts issue - Win XP. Hey, A while back someone gave me an older PC that I set up for my youngest daughter. It is a PIII 700Mhz machine running XP Pro and 512MB RAM. The system started running slowly. I tracked it down to a very high interrupt processing time (30-90% viewed via process explorer). The drive is stuck in one of the PIO modes. I ran the registry mods that I think I got from here a long time ago and it did not fix it. I tried various things that I found out via Google, but still nothing. I even replaced it with another drive thinking that it might be a drive issue. But it is the same old thing. Anyone know what else I might try? Do you think it might be the EIDE controller on the MB? I could put a Promise EIDE controller in there, but most likely I'd have to format and start over. Thanks, Bobby
Re: [H] Surge suppressor / power filter
At 20:33 3/10/2008, DHSinclair wrote: Brian, Look at Best Power or APC. Most else is still trying to get there. Best, Duncan I used APCs until a unit kept frying motherboards. Best Power doesn't exist anymore, but its sucessor does--PowerWare: http://www.PowerWare.com/ I use 2 of these: http://www.powerware.com/UPS/5115_UPS.asp If your power glitches for 3 seconds, a surge suppressor won't stop the outage. A good UPS will just beep. For speaker wire, thick lamp cord is great. Start Here to Find It Fast! - http://www.US-Webmasters.com/best-start-page/ $8.77 Domain Names - http://domains.us-webmasters.com/
Re: [H] Surge suppressor / power filter
Hayes, I will go look/read your roger-russell.com link. Then I MAY come back for more banter. This topic is not a 1-0 issue ATM. It is very much your opinion/other opinion. U like Roger; and have run with HIS opinion. Fine. Give us some time to get up to speed B4 you grace us with your vented spleen. Computers you can have. Audio I may wish to discuss. Best, Duncan At 22:46 03/11/2008 -0400, you wrote: The first real objective proof I came across that really opened my eyes (and maybe my ears?) was Roger Russell's rant (a former engineer of high end McIntosh speakers and amps) http://www.roger-russell.com/wire/wire.htm And for shits and giggles, I present to you all the most profoundly stupid audiophile snake oil ever offered for sale: Pebbles. Bags of pebbles to be exact. I think a bag of crack rock would be more beneficial to modifying the perceived sound passing through your ears, especially after smoking a bit of the bag's contents - http://www.machinadynamica.com/machina31.htm Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 21:40:35 -0400 To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [H] Surge suppressor / power filter Brian, Ignore my last reply. Hayes, Just kidding! (sort of) Winterlight, All my life I've waited for an objective proof of this. Not sure your friend is correct, but, at this time we live in, I will accept his non-scientific opinion. Audio business is seriously back-yard. We are now all a very video-centric bunch of tweaks, I believe. Best, Duncan At 15:39 03/11/2008 -0700, you wrote: A good friend of mine is a EE who works for Micron. He is responsible for final testing, and certification of all new memory. He is a big time audiophile, and likes improvisional jazz. In fact, he has had a lot of success with a side business designing and making high end headphone amps, and last I heard Apple certified his products to be ipod worthy. I once asked him about the importance of cabling. He told me that when he was a grad student he decided to build a tester to check different audio wiring in order to come up with the best one. He discovered that not only was there very little difference, if any, between brands, but Walmart brand performed the best for his tester! _ Need to know the score, the latest news, or you need your Hotmail®-get your fix. http://www.msnmobilefix.com/Default.aspx
Re: [H] Need AMD XP Sempron CPU
I see what your saying but you know me well enough after all these years the last thing I'd do is grab some sis board in a casual fashion. Could be the greatest thing since sliced bread but it's more than I want to go through. Appreciate the thought but this is a EoL patch-up to give the kids that would not have cost me this much if I had simply suspected the PSU to begin with. Shit it would not have been an issue if the Antec scumbags had built the PSU right or at least stood behind their steaming pile of excrement. CW wrote: Yes, I'm being serious. Ok, let's say $78 is the max you want to spend, and you have a new AGP video card you want to use. Fine, you can grab an AM2 with AGP (they exist, SIS) for about $33. Grab an AM2 Processor for $35, and a stick of 1G for $10. Bam. You just spent $78. And you ended up with a LE-1150, yeah, a blah board but you support your video card, and off you go. Sure, you'd still be cooked to find out it was your power supply, which is a given, but on the other end, your DDR and other components (like the Asus board) would sell to make up about 1/2 the distance. :) I'm not talking about spending a ton of money.. but an LE-1150, a chip you can grab OEM for less then $35, would be easily the equal and superior to a Sempron whatever SocketA, the board wouldn't be, but you'd keep the AGP card so who cares, and you'd get better SATA, USB, etc. support. Just saying, if your budget was $78, the combo is out there ;) CW Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ