Re: [opensuse] Intel 965G and 1680 x 1050

[John E. Perry]

Carlos E. R. wrote:
> 
> The Sunday 2007-09-09 at 16:05 -0400, Felix Miata wrote:
> 
>>> You also need to supply a line in the   Section "Modes" area as well.
>> It's been my experience that recent versions of xorg function fine without
>> modes defined in xorg.conf. In all mine I've been commenting away the
> 
> It can autodiscover the proper settings. At least, what the card says it 
> is proper.
> 
> I think you can see them lines in the /var/log/Xorg.0.log searching for 
> "Printing DDC gathered Modelines:".
> 

When we had this same issue a few months ago, one of the group said that
Xorg is correctly written to get the parameters from the chipset itself.
 Some chipsets do not correctly report their options, so Xorg.conf cannot
determine the true required parameters.  For Intel chipsets (among the
guilty ones) the 855resolution module was written, then modified to get
the 915resolution module.

Although the discussion was prompted by another list member, I was
struggling with this problem at the time (I have a 945G chipset), and
the discussion helped me get my 1280X800 laptop LCD set up properly.

Search the archives for "915resolution".  Somewhere in there is a link
to a 915resolution web site that should clear things up for you.  Ah,
here it is:

http://www.geocities.com/stomljen/

Hope this helps.

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Re: [opensuse] kooka scanner

[riccardo35]

On Wed 12 Sep 2007 00:12, Joe Morris (NTM) wrote:
> There is a good post on the hplip ML for the permissions checking.
>  Check
> http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_name=d868aa607072
 41117x3de413aax8f7940e5da3c4a7a%40mail.gmail.com&forum_name=hplip-help
> which though is for a newer version hplip (which is available in the
> build service) provides excellent info.  It may need changed in udev
> rules, or it may need hal-resmgr changes, or both.


many thanks Joe


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Re: [opensuse] kooka scanner

[riccardo35]

On Tue 11 Sep 2007 23:16, Rajko M. wrote:
> Changing permissions with 'chmod' is temporary, until next reboot.
> The change should be done in:
>   /etc/udev/rules.d/
> probably
>   50-udev-default.rules
> but I'm not sure about exact location for 'hpaio'

Thank you very much Rajko - will try to get my head around this


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Re: [opensuse] Smart developers Way OT

[Bob S]

On Tuesday 11 September 2007 14:56, Rikard Johnels wrote:
> On Saturday 08 September 2007 00:07, Bob S wrote:
> > On Friday 07 September 2007 00:34, M Harris wrote:
> > > On Thursday 06 September 2007 23:22, Bob S wrote:
> > > > Please don't suggest the accessability thing. That is a horror to
> > > > use.
> > >
> > >   What I do when the eyes are tired and I need a serious font/icon size
> > > distortion is to use the ctrl+alt+[+] key to bump the screen
> > > resolution--- sometimes even to 800x600 or 640x480  and with a virtual
> > > window of 1024x768 or higher.  Then I use the mouse to move the
> > > window... and I have "giant" fonts/icons in every application across
> > > the board. And since I went to the SyncMaster 226BW  wide flat-panel
> > > the eyes are strained no longer.
> >
> > Thanks Stan,
> >
> > But the ctrl+alt++ doesn't seem to work in my 10.2. It used to work back
> > several releases ago, but it hasn't worked since at least 10.0
> >
> > Kai,
> >
> > Thanks for the suggestion but that list is completely useless. I've asked
> > several times on that list and have never received a reply. Seems nobody
> > uses it.
> >
> > Bob S.
>
> The fact that you cant change th eresolution is probably due cause the
> relevant entry is missing in your xorg config file.
> I noticed that my older systems (9.1, 9.3) has several choices by default.
> My 10.1 only had a few.
> If you add the relevant resolutions manually, you ought to get the feature
> back...
>
> This is a snippet from my own file:
>
> Section "Screen"
> Identifier  "Screen 1"
> Device  "Matrox 1"
> Monitor "Belinea 106030"
> DefaultDepth 16
> Subsection "Display"
> Depth   16
> Modes   "1280x1024" <- this is where you add resolutions
> ViewPort0 0
> EndSubsection
> EndSection
>
> You MIGHT need corresponding modelines too, i am not entirely sure about
> that though...

Thanks for replying Rikard,

Wow, my xorg.config file looks completely different from yours. I'm running 
10.2, Here is my "screen" section. The monitor and modes section are just 
above this.

Section "Screen"
  DefaultDepth 24
  SubSection "Display"
Depth  15
Modes  "1600x1200" 
  EndSubSection
  SubSection "Display"
Depth  16
Modes  "1600x1200" 
  EndSubSection
  SubSection "Display"
Depth  24
Modes  "1600x1200" 
  EndSubSection
  SubSection "Display"
Depth  8
Modes  "1600x1200" 
  EndSubSection
  Device   "Device[0]"
  Identifier   "Screen[0]"
  Monitor  "Monitor[0]"
EndSection

I suppose I could try adding on to each of these Modes sections. Do the quotes 
go around each of the resolutions individually?

Thanks Bob S.
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Re: [opensuse] Ext3 vs Reiser FS

[Aaron Kulkis]

Fergus Wilde wrote:

On Monday 10 September 2007 19:25, Aaron Kulkis wrote:
  

Frank Fiene wrote:


On Montag, 10. September 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  

I am about to install openSuSE 10.2 on two new computers and see that
the 10.2 default file system is ext3 and not Reiser.  I'd like some
advice as whether to accept the ext3 default or to go with Reiser as
I have in the past.


reiserfs is dead!
  

Yes, and I was burned by reiserfs a couple times.

My next upgrade, I converted to ext3 and xfs.
Despite several power-failures (in Iraq during generator maintenance), I
never lost a single file with ext3 and xfs.

Here is my system:
$ mount | grep /
/dev/sda5 on / type ext3 (rw,acl,user_xattr)
/dev/sda6 on /usr type xfs (rw)
/dev/sda7 on /var type xfs (rw)
/dev/sda8 on /opt type xfs (rw)
/dev/sda11 on /home type xfs (rw)
/dev/sda9 on /tmp type xfs (rw)
/dev/sdb1 on /windows/c type ntfs
  (ro,noexec,nosuid,nodev,gid=100,umask=0002,nls=utf8)
proc on /proc type proc (rw)
sysfs on /sys type sysfs (rw)
debugfs on /sys/kernel/debug type debugfs (rw)
udev on /dev type tmpfs (rw)
devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,mode=0620,gid=5)
securityfs on /sys/kernel/security type securityfs (rw)



I hope I haven't missed this elsewhere, but I'd be interested to know if there 
are special reasons why you've used ext3 on / and xfs on your other Linux 
partitions - just as a pointer next time I'm setting up a disk.
  

Because I didn't have the time or inclination to figure out how
to get Linux to boot off of an XFS file system(*), AND because with
the partitioning shown above, the / file system has VERY LITTLE
write activity (only when I change a configuration file of
upgrade software)

(*) I'm not sure if it's even possible to boot from XFS.



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Re: [opensuse] Intel 965G and 1680 x 1050

[Ron Eggler]

On Tuesday 11 September 2007 07:13:22 pm Ron Eggler wrote:
> [snip]
>
> > So do this as root:
> >
> > # 915resolution 43 1680 1050 24
> >
> > Then run 915resolution again to check to see if it worked and you should
> >  get:
> >
> > # 915resolution -l
> >
> > Mode 30 : 640x480, 8 bits/pixel
> > Mode 32 : 800x600, 8 bits/pixel
> > Mode 34 : 1024x768, 8 bits/pixel
> > Mode 38 : 1280x1024, 8 bits/pixel
> > Mode 3a : 1600x1200, 8 bits/pixel
> > Mode 3c : 1920x1440, 8 bits/pixel
> > Mode 41 : 640x480, 16 bits/pixel
> > Mode 43 : 1680x1050, 24 bits/pixel
> > Mode 45 : 1024x768, 16 bits/pixel
> > Mode 49 : 1280x1024, 16 bits/pixel
> > Mode 4b : 1600x1200, 16 bits/pixel
> > Mode 4d : 1920x1440, 16 bits/pixel
> > Mode 50 : 640x480, 32 bits/pixel
> > Mode 52 : 800x600, 32 bits/pixel
> > Mode 54 : 1024x768, 32 bits/pixel
> > Mode 58 : 1280x1024, 32 bits/pixel
> > Mode 5a : 1600x1200, 32 bits/pixel
> > Mode 5c : 1920x1440, 32 bits/pixel
> >
> > #
> >
> > Your mode is then patched, you have made the changes to xorg.conf, so
> > just restart X, then if you don't default to 1680x1050, you will then be
> > able to set it in Yast because 1680x1050 will then appear as a
> > resolution option for sax2.
> >
> > I know this stuff can be frustrating, but often it is a "forest for the
> > trees issue" and once you get it, you will see how simple it is.
> >
> > Good luck again!
> >
> > More information at: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=269052
>
> Ok David, I patched and  915resolution -l gave exactly above ouput ...i
> started sax2 to enter the mode but the drop-down to change the resolution
> and the color depth were disabled :o Anyways, i opened xorg.conf and wanted
> to change the screen section myself. i put 1680x1050 in every mode and put
> defaultdepth 24 - restarted x and it came back up all screwed-up :( How do
> I "connect" the xserver to the patched BIOS mode?

When I start Sax2 it actually says: "The configuration is Framebuffer based 
and your system does not support changes for resolution and/or color 
settings." -  Huh? What's this, anyways, i created a new modline with gtf:
desktop-reg:/home/reg # gtf 1680 1050 60 -x

  # 1680x1050 @ 60.00 Hz (GTF) hsync: 65.22 kHz; pclk: 147.14 MHz
  Modeline "1680x1050_60.00"  147.14  1680 1784 1968 2256  1050 1051 1054 
1087  -HSync +Vsync

But I'm not really sure if i should put it in there since it looks quite 
different to the other modes and i don't wanna break my monitor...
my other lines look like this:
  Modeline  "1280x1024" 141.82 1280 1376 1512 1744 1024 1025 1028 1070
  Modeline  "1280x1024" 130.17 1280 1368 1504 1728 1024 1025 1028 1066
  Modeline  "1280x1024" 120.01 1280 1368 1504 1728 1024 1025 1028 1063
  Modeline  "1280x1024" 114.50 1280 1328 1360 1440 1024 1027 1034 1061 
+HSync -VSync
  Modeline  "1280x1024" 108.88 1280 1360 1496 1712 1024 1025 1028 1060

Not sure if should just add it on top.

Seems like i'm stuck again. Thanks for any further information!
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Re: [opensuse] Intel 965G and 1680 x 1050

[Carlos E. R.]

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The Sunday 2007-09-09 at 16:05 -0400, Felix Miata wrote:

> > You also need to supply a line in the   Section "Modes" area as well.
> 
> It's been my experience that recent versions of xorg function fine without
> modes defined in xorg.conf. In all mine I've been commenting away the

It can autodiscover the proper settings. At least, what the card says it 
is proper.

I think you can see them lines in the /var/log/Xorg.0.log searching for 
"Printing DDC gathered Modelines:".

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Re: [opensuse] Intel 965G and 1680 x 1050

[Ron Eggler]

[snip]
>
> So do this as root:
>
> # 915resolution 43 1680 1050 24
>
> Then run 915resolution again to check to see if it worked and you should
>  get:
>
> # 915resolution -l
>
> Mode 30 : 640x480, 8 bits/pixel
> Mode 32 : 800x600, 8 bits/pixel
> Mode 34 : 1024x768, 8 bits/pixel
> Mode 38 : 1280x1024, 8 bits/pixel
> Mode 3a : 1600x1200, 8 bits/pixel
> Mode 3c : 1920x1440, 8 bits/pixel
> Mode 41 : 640x480, 16 bits/pixel
> Mode 43 : 1680x1050, 24 bits/pixel
> Mode 45 : 1024x768, 16 bits/pixel
> Mode 49 : 1280x1024, 16 bits/pixel
> Mode 4b : 1600x1200, 16 bits/pixel
> Mode 4d : 1920x1440, 16 bits/pixel
> Mode 50 : 640x480, 32 bits/pixel
> Mode 52 : 800x600, 32 bits/pixel
> Mode 54 : 1024x768, 32 bits/pixel
> Mode 58 : 1280x1024, 32 bits/pixel
> Mode 5a : 1600x1200, 32 bits/pixel
> Mode 5c : 1920x1440, 32 bits/pixel
>
> #
>
> Your mode is then patched, you have made the changes to xorg.conf, so
> just restart X, then if you don't default to 1680x1050, you will then be
> able to set it in Yast because 1680x1050 will then appear as a
> resolution option for sax2.
>
> I know this stuff can be frustrating, but often it is a "forest for the
> trees issue" and once you get it, you will see how simple it is.
>
> Good luck again!
>
> More information at: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=269052
>
Ok David, I patched and  915resolution -l gave exactly above ouput ...i 
started sax2 to enter the mode but the drop-down to change the resolution and 
the color depth were disabled :o Anyways, i opened xorg.conf and wanted to 
change the screen section myself. i put 1680x1050 in every mode and put 
defaultdepth 24 - restarted x and it came back up all screwed-up :( How do 
I "connect" the xserver to the patched BIOS mode?

Thanks for any further help!
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Re: [opensuse] Gigabyte M61p-s3

[Joseph Loo]

On Mon, 2007-09-10 at 23:42 -0400, Peter Sjoberg wrote:
> On Mon, 2007-09-10 at 19:34 -0700, Joseph Loo wrote:
> > I just recently bought the Gigabyte M61P-s3 motherboard. I have an x2
> > AMD processor running on it. I installed opensuse 10.2 on it and found
> > out it will not recognize the ethernet Realtek RTL 8211 and Realtek
> > ALC883 Codec chip (audio). Has anyone found a way to get them to work?
> > or will I have to buy a LAN card and audio card for this computer as the
> > simplest solution?
> 
> Are you sure about the mobo, I have Gigabyte M61P-S3 but the
> network/audio is MCP61, not realtek. 
> In my case I had network issues, it seems that the driver/card disagree
> on the mac address order (fixed in latest upstream version of forcedeth)
> and then the driver takes a random ip throwing of suse network
> management.
> I had to modify the startup scripts and udev rules to set a fixed mac
> address (the correct one) to get it to work properly.
> 
> Did also find out that Gigabyte does support AM2 cpu but not
> virtualization so it doesn't work for what I was planning on using it to
> (unless I hack the bios my self). That act (and lack of response from
> support) put gigabyte on my blacklist.
> 
> 
> > -- 
> > Joseph Loo
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> 

That is what the documentation says. I am runnning read hat and it does
report the same thing as you say.
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Re: [opensuse] ftp from CL

[Sloan]

Chris Arnold wrote:
> OK, on another OS i can type ftp://domain.tld and be prompted for a
> username and password. When i try that on my SLED SP1 install i get
> bash: ftp://domain.tld: No such file or directory
> Had someone trying this too with ftp://[EMAIL PROTECTED] and that
> would error out also and a man ftp produces something so i believe it
> has the functionality. So my question is how do you use ftp from CL in
> SLED SP1?
>   
You appear to have typed the argument to an ftp program, but neglected
to invoke an ftp program to handle the argument you typed, and the shell
has no obligation to figure out what you mean, as a browser would, for
instance. In the shell, you might want to type something like:

ftp ftp://domain.tld

for a primitive ftp experience. The first token, "ftp" in this case, is
the ftp program, while the second token, " ftp://domain.tld"; is the
argument to that program. FWIW I prefer ncftp to vanilla ftp.

Joe
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[opensuse] Mirroring two Raid-5 arrays?

[JJB]

Is it possible with SUSE 10.2 to create two raid-5 arrays, and mirror 
them? Can someone outline the process if it is, in fact, possible?


Thanks,

Joel
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[opensuse] ftp from CL

[Chris Arnold]

OK, on another OS i can type ftp://domain.tld and be prompted for a
username and password. When i try that on my SLED SP1 install i get
bash: ftp://domain.tld: No such file or directory
Had someone trying this too with ftp://[EMAIL PROTECTED] and that
would error out also and a man ftp produces something so i believe it
has the functionality. So my question is how do you use ftp from CL in
SLED SP1?
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Re: [opensuse] IDE for Mono

[Randall R Schulz]

On Tuesday 11 September 2007 17:27, Benji Weber wrote:
> ...
>
> Even vim has code completion
> http://benjiweber.co.uk/screenshots/omnicomplete2.png . Does that
> make it an IDE? ;)

IDEs are expressions of their author's approach to software development. 
Nothing more, nothing less. You agree with the IDE author, you like the 
IDE. You disagree with the author, you don't like the IDE.

I have yet to see an exception to this pattern.


> _
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Re: [opensuse] IDE for Mono

[Benji Weber]

On 11/09/2007, Michel Salim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 07/09/2007, Kai Ponte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > It now has a GUI designer?  Oh.
> >
> > That's the sign of an IDE for me.   I'll install it and give it another 
> > look.
> > the only other thing I'd seen is Stetic (http://www.mono-project.com/Stetic)
> > but haven't seen any examples of real use.
> >
> That's a rather narrow definition. That would mean early versions of
> Eclipse are not IDE -- no GUI designer. Even now, the GUI designer
> (Visual Editor) is optional, and actually is not yet available for the
> latest release.
>
> I'd personally draw the line between programmer's editor and IDE at
> code completion. Also, IDEs tend to support less languages better,
> while editors support more languages (easier to write plugins) less
> well (the plugins offer less features)

Even vim has code completion
http://benjiweber.co.uk/screenshots/omnicomplete2.png . Does that make
it an IDE? ;)

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[opensuse] pthread cleanup handler not called on pthread_cancel and sometimes pthread_exit

[K.R. Foley]

Hi,

I posted this earlier on opensuse-programming but that list seems to be
pretty quiet. So I will give it a try here.

Since going to opensuse 10.2 we have found a problem with pthread
cleanup handlers not being called on pthread_cancel and under certain
conditions on pthread_exit from within C++ programs.

The issue is that cleanup handlers put onto a threads cleanup stack via
pthread_cleanup_push() should be called when a thread is canceled or
exits. In some cases that is not happening. This only appears to be an
issue with C++ programs that have exceptions enabled (default). It
doesn't happen with C programs or if exceptions are disabled by using
-fno-exceptions. This is not a viable solution.

The issue is well documented as a glibc bug here:
http://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=4123, so I won't repeat
all of the details here. Unfortunately, this is a critical bug and it
has been sitting open since March 2 without any visible activity other
than my recent activity.

Does anyone have suggestions about how to possibly work around this
issue or to help move things along?

Thanks,

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Re: [opensuse] kooka scanner

[Joe Morris (NTM)]

On 09/12/2007 07:16 AM, Rajko M. wrote:
> On Tuesday 11 September 2007 03:08:48 pm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>   
>> as root, have executed:
>>
>> # scanimage -L
>> device `hpaio:/usb/PSC_1500_series?serial=MY5BUDB0FG0498' is a
>> Hewlett-Packard PSC_1500_series all-in-one
>>
>> HOW please can I find this device where I can change its permissions to
>> allow "users" ?
>> 
>
> That is what 'sane-find-scanner' should list. 
> The device is: 
>   /dev/bus/usb//
> where  and  are numbers that you can see with 'lsusb'.
> With 
>   ll /dev/bus/usb//
> you should be able to see owner and group. The  number is changing 
> every time you turn device on/off.  
>
> Changing permissions with 'chmod' is temporary, until next reboot. 
> The change should be done in: 
>   /etc/udev/rules.d/
> probably
>   50-udev-default.rules
> but I'm not sure about exact location for 'hpaio'
>
>   
There is a good post on the hplip ML for the permissions checking.  Check
http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_name=d868aa60707241117x3de413aax8f7940e5da3c4a7a%40mail.gmail.com&forum_name=hplip-help
which though is for a newer version hplip (which is available in the
build service) provides excellent info.  It may need changed in udev
rules, or it may need hal-resmgr changes, or both.

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Re: [opensuse] kooka scanner

[Rajko M.]

On Tuesday 11 September 2007 03:08:48 pm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Tue 11 Sep 2007 18:51, Rajko M. wrote:
> > What tells command:
> >   sane-find-scanner  or   scanimage -L
>
> ___
>
> Hello Rajko
>
>  - thank you
>
> as root, have executed:
>
> # scanimage -L
> device `hpaio:/usb/PSC_1500_series?serial=MY5BUDB0FG0498' is a
> Hewlett-Packard PSC_1500_series all-in-one
>
> HOW please can I find this device where I can change its permissions to
> allow "users" ?

That is what 'sane-find-scanner' should list. 
The device is: 
  /dev/bus/usb//
where  and  are numbers that you can see with 'lsusb'.
With 
  ll /dev/bus/usb//
you should be able to see owner and group. The  number is changing 
every time you turn device on/off.  

Changing permissions with 'chmod' is temporary, until next reboot. 
The change should be done in: 
  /etc/udev/rules.d/
probably
  50-udev-default.rules
but I'm not sure about exact location for 'hpaio'

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Re: [opensuse] Ext3 vs Reiser FS

[Hans Witvliet]

On Mon, 2007-09-10 at 14:30 -0400, Aaron Kulkis wrote:
> Carlos E. R. wrote:
> > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> > Hash: SHA1
> >
> >
> > The Monday 2007-09-10 at 10:03 -0400, bcoffey@ wrote:
> >
> >   
> >> I am about to install openSuSE 10.2 on two new computers and see that the
> >> 10.2 default file system is ext3 and not Reiser.  I'd like some advice as
> >> whether to accept the ext3 default or to go with Reiser as I have in the
> >> past.
> >> 
> >
> > The reiserfs will likely not get improvements, that's all. If it has 
> > worked for you in the past, you can just keep using it as safely as 
> > before. I use it.
> >   
> 
> In my experience, reiserfs is not safe. It frequently fails
> (corruption and/or file loss) in the event of improper shutdown
> such as power failure or system crash.
> 
> Conversely, in Iraq, where I experienced frequent power-related
> shutdowns, and a couple crashes (due to I think, running out of
> swap space), I never lost a single file using ext3 and xfs.
> 
I could be mistaken, but i thought the use of xfs inherrently required
the use of a no-break power supply, as it holds more data in mem,

Hans
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Re: [opensuse] Migration advice sought

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> > rpm -q- a
> 
> Did you mean:  rpm -qa
> ??
> 

Obviously O:-)


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Re: [opensuse] Skype 1.4 on SLED

[Peter Van Lone]

On 11 Sep 2007 19:52:54 GMT, Chris Arnold <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Yes having problems, can' t get it installed due to dependencies libqt4, dbus 
> 1.0.0. Let me >know if you get it installed and what you had to do to get it 
> installed.

the install of 1.4 failed for me with a pretty generic "dependency
failed: there are no installable providers of skype, marking this
attempt as invalid" (or something close to that).

The 1.3 still installs fine. Something interesting though: after
installing 1.3, I tried again to install 1.4 - this time no error,
just a notice that "the packages are already installed".

Sounds to me a bit like the RPM may be deficient?

Peter
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[opensuse] windows does not recognize second vfat partition on usb drive, if the first one is ext2 or ext3

[Sunny]

Hi,
not really a suse question, but I just hit this problem, and decided
to ask, as google did not show any pointers:

I have a USB flash drive (2G) partitioned with YaST as follows:
1. 100MB ext2 - to install INSERT linux (it needs to install on the
first partition)
2. 1.7G vfat (FAT32) - to hold mp3s for my car stereo, as well as to
share files (with some win users as well)
3. 200MB encrypted ext3 for my own stuff

Now, the problem is, that windows XP can not recognize the vfat
partition. It recognizes only the first ext2, and can not access it
(of course).

I made some tests, and if the vfat partition is the first one, XP is
ok, as well as if I have 2 vfat partitions, then XP finds them both.

Someone hit this problem? Any solution?

And again - sorry for this "win" problem :( , but my main workstation
is suse and I need to use this drive with it (especially the encrypted
partition), I need the INSERT boot for my daily work, and from time to
time, I need to use this FAT partition with other colleagues/users.

Cheers

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Re: [opensuse] IDE for Mono

[Michel Salim]

On 07/09/2007, Kai Ponte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It now has a GUI designer?  Oh.
>
> That's the sign of an IDE for me.   I'll install it and give it another look.
> the only other thing I'd seen is Stetic (http://www.mono-project.com/Stetic)
> but haven't seen any examples of real use.
>
That's a rather narrow definition. That would mean early versions of
Eclipse are not IDE -- no GUI designer. Even now, the GUI designer
(Visual Editor) is optional, and actually is not yet available for the
latest release.

I'd personally draw the line between programmer's editor and IDE at
code completion. Also, IDEs tend to support less languages better,
while editors support more languages (easier to write plugins) less
well (the plugins offer less features)

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Re: [opensuse] No openSUSE 10.4, was: Questions for Partitioning guru's - Solved

[Glenn Holmer]

On Tuesday 11 September 2007 15:46, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
> * Glenn Holmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [09-11-07 16:35]:
> > On Tuesday 11 September 2007 08:19, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
> > > Announced yesterday, there will be no 10.4.  It will be 11.0,
> > > perhaps related to inclusion/upgrade of/to KDE4.
> >
> > Have you got a link for that?  Thanks.
>
> Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 17:09:41 +0200
> From: Stephan Kulow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Thanks, I didn't even know about that list.

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Re: [opensuse] No openSUSE 10.4, was: Questions for Partitioning guru's - Solved

[Patrick Shanahan]

* Glenn Holmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [09-11-07 16:35]:
> On Tuesday 11 September 2007 08:19, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
> > Announced yesterday, there will be no 10.4.  It will be 11.0, perhaps
> > related to inclusion/upgrade of/to KDE4.
> 
> Have you got a link for that?  Thanks.

Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 17:09:41 +0200
From: Stephan Kulow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [opensuse-packaging] Next Steps openSUSE 10.3
Mailing-List: contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]; run by mlmmj
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 [...]
 * Bugs that won't be fixed for 10.3 can be moved to 11.0 in bugzilla
   now. I suggest to take that option for every bug you're not
   planning to do an online update later (should be a minority of the
   current bugs).
 [...] 
 
 
 
Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 17:45:37 +0200 (CEST)
From: Jan Engelhardt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [opensuse-packaging] Next Steps openSUSE 10.3
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On Sep 10 2007 17:09, Stephan Kulow wrote:
>
> * Bugs that won't be fixed for 10.3 can be moved to 11.0 in bugzilla
>   now. I suggest to take that option for every bug you're not planning
>   to do an online update later (should be a minority of the current
>   bugs).

No future 10.4?



Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 17:59:14 +0200
From: Ladislav Michnovič <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Jan Engelhardt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [opensuse-packaging] Next Steps openSUSE 10.3
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No, the next release is 11.0 like 10.0 was after 9.3. It's just
numbering convention.
Regards Ladislav.



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Re: [opensuse] No openSUSE 10.4, was: Questions for Partitioning guru's - Solved

[Glenn Holmer]

On Tuesday 11 September 2007 08:19, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
> Announced yesterday, there will be no 10.4.  It will be 11.0, perhaps
> related to inclusion/upgrade of/to KDE4.

Have you got a link for that?  Thanks.

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Re: [opensuse] Intel 965G and 1680 x 1050

[Ron Eggler]

On Tuesday September 11 2007, David C. Rankin wrote:
> roN wrote:
> > On Sunday 09 September 2007 10:31:16 am David C. Rankin wrote:
> >> roN wrote:
> >>> On Sunday 09 September 2007 07:41:06 am Kenneth Schneider wrote:
>  On Sun, 2007-09-09 at 10:27 -0400, BandiPat wrote:
> > On Sunday 09 September 2007, roN wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> Has anyone gotten a resolution of 1680 x 1050 out of an intel 965G
> >> chipset? I'm looking for that, out of the box, my opensuse 10.2 only
> >> offers 1280 x 1024 which looks somehow wrong...I would appreciate if
> >> some one could help me in a way getting my x-server to display 1680
> >> x 1050 pixel on my screen.
> >>
> >> Thank you!
> >> Ron
> >> --
> >>
> >>  >>
> >>> Don't know how to add a line for 1680x1050. It looks like sync rates to
> >>> me i guess i need to find a manual for my screen acer AL2216W.
> >>> Right? For what should i look in there?
> >>>
> >>> Thanks!
> >>
> >> Wait *Stop* *Read* http://www.geocities.com/stomljen/
> >>
> >> I have been through this in great detail and with great pain with
> >> opensuse 10.0. (see
> >> http://lists.freedesktop.org/pipermail/xorg/2007-April/023179.html)
> >>
> >> You are *very* luck to be running 10.2 because the 10.2 kernel will
> >> support 1680x1050 resolution natively and you will be spared the
> >> learning experience of having to build X, Mesa, and Dri/Drm from source.
> >> (see http://intellinuxgraphics.org/)
> >>
> >> The bottom line for you is a 3 step process(qualified with an "I'm
> >> pretty sure" speaking only from 10.0 experience):
> >>
> >> (1) you will need to download or install from Yast the 915resolution
> >> tool;
> >>
> >> (2) you will follow the instructions to patch a video mode in your video
> >> card for 1680x1050 resolution; and
> >
> > but the 915resolution tool wouldn't actually offer 1680x1050. I only got
> > following modes:
> > Mode 30 : 640x480, 8 bits/pixel
> > Mode 32 : 800x600, 8 bits/pixel
> > Mode 34 : 1024x768, 8 bits/pixel
> > Mode 38 : 1280x1024, 8 bits/pixel
> > Mode 3a : 1600x1200, 8 bits/pixel
> > Mode 3c : 1920x1440, 8 bits/pixel
> > Mode 41 : 640x480, 16 bits/pixel
> > Mode 43 : 800x600, 16 bits/pixel
> > Mode 45 : 1024x768, 16 bits/pixel
> > Mode 49 : 1280x1024, 16 bits/pixel
> > Mode 4b : 1600x1200, 16 bits/pixel
> > Mode 4d : 1920x1440, 16 bits/pixel
> > Mode 50 : 640x480, 32 bits/pixel
> > Mode 52 : 800x600, 32 bits/pixel
> > Mode 54 : 1024x768, 32 bits/pixel
> > Mode 58 : 1280x1024, 32 bits/pixel
> > Mode 5a : 1600x1200, 32 bits/pixel
> > Mode 5c : 1920x1440, 32 bits/pixel
> > So I don't know how i should go from here, any other suggestions?
> >
> > Thank you!
>
> Sorry so long getting back to you Ron, but I have to pay attention to my
> real job on occasions.

David,

Haha no worries, i know this too well. The system I'm working on is at home 
and i'm now here in the office where i have my system setup with a convenient 
nvidia graphics card :) No troubles here...
>
> *You* have to make it give you 1680x1050 by patching one of the bios
> modes! (i.e. You have to change one of the modes with 915resolution to
> modify the bios and put 1680x1050 in there in place of one of the
> existing modes.) Pick any mode that you don't use and patch that mode
> for 1680x1050, say mode (43) for example which is by default (800x600).
> Recall the required options for setting/patching a mode are:
>
> 915resolution [mode] [width] [height] [color-depth]
>
> So do this as root:
>
> # 915resolution 43 1680 1050 24
>
> Then run 915resolution again to check to see if it worked and you should
>  get:
>
> # 915resolution -l
>
> Mode 30 : 640x480, 8 bits/pixel
> Mode 32 : 800x600, 8 bits/pixel
> Mode 34 : 1024x768, 8 bits/pixel
> Mode 38 : 1280x1024, 8 bits/pixel
> Mode 3a : 1600x1200, 8 bits/pixel
> Mode 3c : 1920x1440, 8 bits/pixel
> Mode 41 : 640x480, 16 bits/pixel
> Mode 43 : 1680x1050, 24 bits/pixel
> Mode 45 : 1024x768, 16 bits/pixel
> Mode 49 : 1280x1024, 16 bits/pixel
> Mode 4b : 1600x1200, 16 bits/pixel
> Mode 4d : 1920x1440, 16 bits/pixel
> Mode 50 : 640x480, 32 bits/pixel
> Mode 52 : 800x600, 32 bits/pixel
> Mode 54 : 1024x768, 32 bits/pixel
> Mode 58 : 1280x1024, 32 bits/pixel
> Mode 5a : 1600x1200, 32 bits/pixel
> Mode 5c : 1920x1440, 32 bits/pixel
>
> #
>
> Your mode is then patched, you have made the changes to xorg.conf, so
> just restart X, then if you don't default to 1680x1050, you will then be
> able to set it in Yast because 1680x1050 will then appear as a
> resolution option for sax2.
>
> I know this stuff can be frustrating, but often it is a "forest for the
> trees issue" and once you get it, you will see how simple it is.
>
> Good luck again!
>
Will try this for sure tonite at home. Looks pretty simple actually, i think 
i'll find the tree, unless you'll hear from me (well, you'll hear/read from 
me anyways to say Thank you).

Thanks tons for your help, eh! :)


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Re: [opensuse] Intel 965G and 1680 x 1050

[David C. Rankin]

roN wrote:
> On Sunday 09 September 2007 10:31:16 am David C. Rankin wrote:
>> roN wrote:
>>> On Sunday 09 September 2007 07:41:06 am Kenneth Schneider wrote:
 On Sun, 2007-09-09 at 10:27 -0400, BandiPat wrote:
> On Sunday 09 September 2007, roN wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Has anyone gotten a resolution of 1680 x 1050 out of an intel 965G
>> chipset? I'm looking for that, out of the box, my opensuse 10.2 only
>> offers 1280 x 1024 which looks somehow wrong...I would appreciate if
>> some one could help me in a way getting my x-server to display 1680 x
>> 1050 pixel on my screen.
>>
>> Thank you!
>> Ron
>> --
>> >
>>> Don't know how to add a line for 1680x1050. It looks like sync rates to
>>> me i guess i need to find a manual for my screen acer AL2216W. Right?
>>> For what should i look in there?
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>> Wait *Stop* *Read* http://www.geocities.com/stomljen/
>>
>> I have been through this in great detail and with great pain with
>> opensuse 10.0. (see
>> http://lists.freedesktop.org/pipermail/xorg/2007-April/023179.html)
>>
>> You are *very* luck to be running 10.2 because the 10.2 kernel will
>> support 1680x1050 resolution natively and you will be spared the
>> learning experience of having to build X, Mesa, and Dri/Drm from source.
>> (see http://intellinuxgraphics.org/)
>>
>> The bottom line for you is a 3 step process(qualified with an "I'm
>> pretty sure" speaking only from 10.0 experience):
>>
>> (1) you will need to download or install from Yast the 915resolution tool;
>>
>> (2) you will follow the instructions to patch a video mode in your video
>> card for 1680x1050 resolution; and
> but the 915resolution tool wouldn't actually offer 1680x1050. I only got 
> following modes:
> Mode 30 : 640x480, 8 bits/pixel
> Mode 32 : 800x600, 8 bits/pixel
> Mode 34 : 1024x768, 8 bits/pixel
> Mode 38 : 1280x1024, 8 bits/pixel
> Mode 3a : 1600x1200, 8 bits/pixel
> Mode 3c : 1920x1440, 8 bits/pixel
> Mode 41 : 640x480, 16 bits/pixel
> Mode 43 : 800x600, 16 bits/pixel
> Mode 45 : 1024x768, 16 bits/pixel
> Mode 49 : 1280x1024, 16 bits/pixel
> Mode 4b : 1600x1200, 16 bits/pixel
> Mode 4d : 1920x1440, 16 bits/pixel
> Mode 50 : 640x480, 32 bits/pixel
> Mode 52 : 800x600, 32 bits/pixel
> Mode 54 : 1024x768, 32 bits/pixel
> Mode 58 : 1280x1024, 32 bits/pixel
> Mode 5a : 1600x1200, 32 bits/pixel
> Mode 5c : 1920x1440, 32 bits/pixel
> So I don't know how i should go from here, any other suggestions?
> 
> Thank you!
> 
> 
> 
Sorry so long getting back to you Ron, but I have to pay attention to my
real job on occasions.

*You* have to make it give you 1680x1050 by patching one of the bios
modes! (i.e. You have to change one of the modes with 915resolution to
modify the bios and put 1680x1050 in there in place of one of the
existing modes.) Pick any mode that you don't use and patch that mode
for 1680x1050, say mode (43) for example which is by default (800x600).
Recall the required options for setting/patching a mode are:

915resolution [mode] [width] [height] [color-depth]

So do this as root:

# 915resolution 43 1680 1050 24

Then run 915resolution again to check to see if it worked and you should
 get:

# 915resolution -l

Mode 30 : 640x480, 8 bits/pixel
Mode 32 : 800x600, 8 bits/pixel
Mode 34 : 1024x768, 8 bits/pixel
Mode 38 : 1280x1024, 8 bits/pixel
Mode 3a : 1600x1200, 8 bits/pixel
Mode 3c : 1920x1440, 8 bits/pixel
Mode 41 : 640x480, 16 bits/pixel
Mode 43 : 1680x1050, 24 bits/pixel
Mode 45 : 1024x768, 16 bits/pixel
Mode 49 : 1280x1024, 16 bits/pixel
Mode 4b : 1600x1200, 16 bits/pixel
Mode 4d : 1920x1440, 16 bits/pixel
Mode 50 : 640x480, 32 bits/pixel
Mode 52 : 800x600, 32 bits/pixel
Mode 54 : 1024x768, 32 bits/pixel
Mode 58 : 1280x1024, 32 bits/pixel
Mode 5a : 1600x1200, 32 bits/pixel
Mode 5c : 1920x1440, 32 bits/pixel

#

Your mode is then patched, you have made the changes to xorg.conf, so
just restart X, then if you don't default to 1680x1050, you will then be
able to set it in Yast because 1680x1050 will then appear as a
resolution option for sax2.

I know this stuff can be frustrating, but often it is a "forest for the
trees issue" and once you get it, you will see how simple it is.

Good luck again!

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Re: [opensuse] Questions for Partitioning guru's - Solved

[Joe Zien]

Bob S wrote:

On Monday 10 September 2007 01:56, Felix Miata wrote:
  

On 2007/09/09 23:40 (GMT-0400) Kenneth Schneider apparently typed:


On Sun, 2007-09-09 at 22:21 -0500, Rajko M. wrote:
  

On Sunday 09 September 2007 22:37 (GMT-0400) Bob S wrote:


Here is output of fdisk -l /dev/sda

  

Felix, Rajko, Ken,

And all of the other great guys on this list who tried to help.
What a great bunch!



  

2) Run in console as root
  cfdisk
and see what it has to tell. In normal circumstances it doesn't list
extended partition at all. The space after 10055 cylinder should be
explicitly listed as free. So move highlight down to that line (free
space) and try to add more partitions.


That certainly should work.



I don't think that will work as he has his extended partition ending at
10055 which is where sda9 ends. At this point his only option is to
backup sda5-sda9, delete them and then recreate the extended partition
using all of the available space. He will then be able to created more
partitions.
  

sda4 only ends at 10055 because that's where sda9 ends. sda9's EPBR has no
means to tell where the end of the disk is. As soon as sda10 is created,
sda4 will magically grow to end where sda10 ends, unless the partitioning
tool is broken. Only when a logical partition has been created that
includes cylinder 30401 will sda4 show ending at the end of the disk.
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cfdisk will do it !!  Thanks so much ! All the remaining 167GB of free space.

 I had never heard of cfdisk and was afraid of what I would do so I studied 
the man page over and over and then tried it.  It will work. (Wonder why Yast 
partitioner won't?)  What it will do is create sda10 a logical partition of 
167GB of all remaining free space which I am assuming will push the extended 
partion out to the end of the disk.  I didn't do it because I am afraid to do 
it on my running system ( a concern?) and I didn't want a partition of that 
huge size, and I don't see (yet) a way to create several smaller partitions. 
Can that be done in cfdisk? I suppose I could go to the yast partitioner and 
resize it. but that may make the extended partition shrink. I dunno yet. But 
I am very happy that I have that space back for when I go to install 10.3.


Thanks again guys and all ideas welcome on dividing up that 167GB before I 
commit.


Bob S
  

Hi Bob,

I am sending this again so it gets on opensuse@opensuse.org

I would suggest you go to this site:

http://gparted.sourceforge.net/livecd.php

and click this version:

gparted-livecd-0.3.4-6 
 



This version can act as a boot cd to boot linux or win.

I use this all the time and never had a problem.

It is an iso file, you can use k3b to burn a disk image, don't just copy
it tp a cd

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Re: [opensuse] kooka scanner

[riccardo35]

On Tue 11 Sep 2007 18:51, Rajko M. wrote:
> What tells command:
>   sane-find-scanner  or   scanimage -L
___

Hello Rajko

 - thank you

as root, have executed:

# scanimage -L
device `hpaio:/usb/PSC_1500_series?serial=MY5BUDB0FG0498' is a 
Hewlett-Packard PSC_1500_series all-in-one

HOW please can I find this device where I can change its permissions to 
allow "users" ?

thanks
Riccardo

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Re: [opensuse] reporting bugs upstream

[Srinivasa Ragavan]

On Tue, 2007-09-11 at 07:57 -0400, JP Rosevear wrote:
> On Tue, 2007-09-11 at 08:28 +0200, Pavel Nemec wrote:
> > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> > Hash: SHA1
> > 
> > Hello,
> > today i again hit problem which is known for long time. If someone
> > report bug which is too -  much complicated / no one is able to fix it
> > / package maintainer is overloaded   - bug assignee close this bug as
> > WONTFIX and ask reporter to move bug in upstream facility (another
> > bugzilla for example).
> > I understand this (as i was overloaded package maintainer also) but i
> > also thing it is packager responsibility to report bug to upstream and
> > track them here.
> > As I know many others are also not sure about it I am asking here. So
> > what is standard procedure?
> 
> The procedure we're using in the GNOME and OO groups is to use the
> keyword should_go_upstream and later one of us or a QA person will move
> the bug upstream (if its not there already) and mark the bug
> RESOLVED/LATER.  Periodically we'll query to see if the upstream bug
> status has changed.  Not really clear if this is scalable or not yet.
> 

Wont it be better to have a common email list (with the QAs part of it)
to be created for CCing such bugs so that when the change happens it is
notified and the respective QA updates it. 

-Srini.

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Re: [opensuse] Counter needed

[Patrick Shanahan]

* Kai Ponte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [09-11-07 15:01]:
> On Tuesday 11 September 2007 11:14, Aaron Kulkis wrote:
> > > A quick google reveals that you behave like this all over the
> > > internet. It really isn't very nice
> >
> > Only towards idiots.
> 
> 
> Aaron - I see you're a COLA regular. 11K posts in November 2000?  What - 
> someone using your nym?
> 
> Or were you going for a netkook award?
> 


Or perhaps the earlier accusation of mail bombing was true?

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Re: [opensuse] Smart developers Way OT

[Rikard Johnels]

On Saturday 08 September 2007 00:07, Bob S wrote:
> On Friday 07 September 2007 00:34, M Harris wrote:
> > On Thursday 06 September 2007 23:22, Bob S wrote:
> > > Please don't suggest the accessability thing. That is a horror to use.
> >
> > What I do when the eyes are tired and I need a serious font/icon size
> > distortion is to use the ctrl+alt+[+] key to bump the screen
> > resolution--- sometimes even to 800x600 or 640x480  and with a virtual
> > window of 1024x768 or higher.  Then I use the mouse to move the window...
> > and I have "giant" fonts/icons in every application across the board. And
> > since I went to the SyncMaster 226BW  wide flat-panel the eyes are
> > strained no longer.
>
> Thanks Stan,
>
> But the ctrl+alt++ doesn't seem to work in my 10.2. It used to work back
> several releases ago, but it hasn't worked since at least 10.0
>
> Kai,
>
> Thanks for the suggestion but that list is completely useless. I've asked
> several times on that list and have never received a reply. Seems nobody
> uses it.
>
> Bob S.

The fact that you cant change th eresolution is probably due cause the 
relevant entry is missing in your xorg config file.
I noticed that my older systems (9.1, 9.3) has several choices by default.
My 10.1 only had a few.
If you add the relevant resolutions manually, you ought to get the feature 
back...

This is a snippet from my own file:

Section "Screen"
Identifier  "Screen 1"
Device  "Matrox 1"
Monitor "Belinea 106030"
DefaultDepth 16
Subsection "Display"
Depth   16
Modes   "1280x1024" <- this is where you add resolutions
ViewPort0 0
EndSubsection
EndSection

You MIGHT need corresponding modelines too, i am not entirely sure about that 
though...


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Re: [opensuse] Counter needed

[Kai Ponte]

On Tuesday 11 September 2007 11:14, Aaron Kulkis wrote:
> > A quick google reveals that you behave like this all over the
> > internet. It really isn't very nice
>
> Only towards idiots.


Aaron - I see you're a COLA regular. 11K posts in November 2000?  What - 
someone using your nym?

Or were you going for a netkook award?


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Re: [opensuse] kooka scanner

[Rajko M.]

On Tuesday 11 September 2007 13:15, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Dear List
>
> My O/S is SuSE 10.2
>
> As 'user', kooka does not allow me to select scan device.
>
>  - but, as "root" kooka has no problem selecting scan device.
>
> How please, as user, can I get kooka to allow me to select scan device?
>
> [ i have reinstalled kdegraphics3-scan - Kooka, the Scanning Program for
> KDE . . . also have used Yast to delete scanner HP PSC 1510, and then
> re-installed with Yast . . . but still as "User" cannot select scan
> device  { as "root" there are No Probs}  ]
>
> thank you
> Riccardo

What tells command:
  sane-find-scanner
or 
  scanimage -L

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Re: [opensuse] Ext3 vs Reiser FS

[jdd]

Rajko M. wrote:


This is long, but maybe it is worth reading:
   http://pages.cs.wisc.edu/~vijayan/vijayan-thesis.pdf
it shed more light on commodity file systems. 


I didn't yet read all, but this seems extremely interesting, thanks

jdd

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Re: [opensuse] Ext3 vs Reiser FS

[Rajko M.]

On Monday 10 September 2007 09:03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I am about to install openSuSE 10.2 on two new computers and see that the
> 10.2 default file system is ext3 and not Reiser.  I'd like some advice as
> whether to accept the ext3 default or to go with Reiser as I have in the
> past.
>
> I have two 500 GB SATA II drives.  My programs do lots of file I/O and can
> generate files as large as 15-20 GB in some of my scientific applications.
>
> Any advice you could give is greatly appreciated.
>
> Buddy Coffey
> Applied Research Associates
> Computational and Applied Electromagnetics

This is long, but maybe it is worth reading:
   http://pages.cs.wisc.edu/~vijayan/vijayan-thesis.pdf
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Re: [opensuse] How do I find out why my server crashed?

[David C. Rankin]

Dave Cotton wrote:
> On Tue, 2007-09-11 at 09:59 +0100, Kevin Thorpe wrote:
>> My server crashed last night and I can't see anything in the logs as to 
>> why. I couldn't ssh in so I connected a screen and keyboard, the screen 
>> stayed on standby and I couldn't even toggle the caps-lock. I'm thinking 
>> that it was a kernel panic but without the screen I don't know what 
>> caused it. I can't see anything except a huge gap in the logs so they're 
>> no help. Is there anywhere else I can look to try and find out what the 
>> problem was so I can stop it happening again? I don't appreciate being 
>> dragged out of bed and half-way across the city by our Australian 
>> friends who can't go to bed at a sensible time.
> 
> Big gap in the logs suggests to me no electricity.
> 

That would depend on whether the BIOS is set to automatically restart
the system on return of power. If it went down and the gap is due to
some guy hitting the power button, then the gap is still unexplained
although "no electricity" could still be the logical culprit for the
crash in the first place.

"No electricity" is still a good starting point! Does the box have a
UPS that communicates with the box? If so, what do the ups logs look like?

You are correct that not being able to see the physical screen could be
a problem. If it is kernel/harddrive/memory related, the spewing of
gibberish and hex codes on the screen can be helpful to have.

However, without the screen, without any info from the logs, the
probability is high that you will just have to wait until you are
"dragged out of bed and half-way across the city by [your] Australian
friends who can't go to bed at a sensible time."

If you can't beat'em join'em, I hear the Aussies are a load of fun to
party with, Onya mate!




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Re: [opensuse] Counter needed

[Aaron Kulkis]

Anders Johansson wrote:

On Wednesday 05 September 2007 14:00:21 Aaron Kulkis wrote:

Jerry Houston wrote:

Aaron Kulkis wrote:

Linux is not Windows, so kindly quit offering solutions which are most
appropriate for that horrific abortion of an O/S.

Responses like this make the writer appear to be very young, or very
inexperienced with computers, or both.

I've been programming since 1980.

I'm more than familiar with more than half a dozen distinct operating
sytems (and that's counting ALL of Linux and Unix as ONE O/S).

I've written operating systems, including a multi-user, multi-tasking
one on a mere 8-bit 6809...

And your point is?


I don't know about his point, but my point is that if the above is 
really true, you really should spend less time behaving like a 
sociopathic 8-year old


A quick google reveals that you behave like this all over the 
internet. It really isn't very nice



Only towards idiots.

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[opensuse] kooka scanner

[riccardo35]

Dear List

My O/S is SuSE 10.2

As 'user', kooka does not allow me to select scan device.

 - but, as "root" kooka has no problem selecting scan device.

How please, as user, can I get kooka to allow me to select scan device?

[ i have reinstalled kdegraphics3-scan - Kooka, the Scanning Program for 
KDE . . . also have used Yast to delete scanner HP PSC 1510, and then 
re-installed with Yast . . . but still as "User" cannot select scan 
device  { as "root" there are No Probs}  ]

thank you
Riccardo
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Re: [opensuse] Ext3 vs Reiser FS

[Thomas Hertweck]

Peter Sjoberg wrote:
> On Tue, 2007-09-11 at 09:01 +0100, G T Smith wrote:
>> As for ext3 until someone fixes the truly appalling performance of the
>> consistency checks (and the default behaviour of firing up those checks
>> periodically), I am sticking with reiser.

The checks can be disabled (or the interval can be changed) via tune2fs.

> That's one thing that really annoys me. A while ago I changed a
> production system with about 1.5T storage and since it been over 180
> days since last fsck my reboot took almost 1 hour (when I had told the
> client that a reboot is fast, takes max 15 minutes)

Experienced admins use the "fastboot" option under such circumstances.

Regards,
Th.


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[opensuse] Skype 1.4 on SLED

[Chris Arnold]

Is anyone here using SLEd SP1 and skype 1.4?
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Re: [opensuse] Questions for Partitioning guru's - Solved

[Carlos E. R.]

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The Tuesday 2007-09-11 at 12:00 -0400, Kenneth Schneider wrote:

> > You are probably right.
> > 
> > It is fom 0 to 15, which makes 16; but the 0 is the whole disk. So it must 
> > be 15 partitions.
> > 
> 
> Wrong! sda0 is a partition as well as hda0 is a partition _NOT_ the
> whole disk. The whole disk would be sda or hda (without the number).

Wrong, because I'm not refering to that zero, but to the one in the minor 
number.

  8 block   SCSI disk devices (0-15)
  0 = /dev/sda  First SCSI disk whole disk
 16 = /dev/sdb  Second SCSI disk whole disk
 32 = /dev/sdc  Third SCSI disk whole disk
...
240 = /dev/sdp  Sixteenth SCSI disk whole disk

Partitions are handled in the same way as for IDE
disks (see major number 3) except that the limit on
partitions is 15.

So, major 8, minor 0 is sda, and major 8, minor 1 is sda1. Check:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~> l /dev/sd*
brw-r- 1 root disk 8, 0 2007-09-11 18:55 /dev/sda
brw-r- 1 root disk 8, 1 2007-09-11 18:55 /dev/sda1


See?  :-)



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Re: [opensuse] No openSUSE 10.4, was: Questions for Partitioning guru's - Solved

[Kai Ponte]

On Tuesday 11 September 2007 06:19, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
> * Carlos E. R. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [09-11-07 08:39]:
> > Notice: beware of adding too many partitions! If you have more than 16
> > you will not be able to install suse 10.4 (yes, that's a four).
>
> Announced yesterday, there will be no 10.4.  It will be 11.0, perhaps
> related to inclusion/upgrade of/to KDE4.

Can't wait.  I've been hoping for a version of SUSE that is louder than this 
one.


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Re: [opensuse] packman problem?

[Kai Ponte]

On Tuesday 11 September 2007 09:40, Jonathan Arnold wrote:
> I seem to be having a packman repositry problem. I'm getting:
>
> File /repodata/repomd.xml not found on media:
> http://packman.unixheads.com/suse/10.2
>
> And it's true, there is no repomd.xml in that folder. There is a
> repomd.xml.key, but that's not good enough!


There is an issue with the servers. It should have been fixed by now but the 
mirrors may take a while to update.

Stay tuned or switch to the original source.


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Re: [opensuse] Display not working

[Sloan]

Dirk Moolman wrote:
> We've just installed a new server.  Normally I will use Xwindows on my
> PC or laptop, if I need to run any GUI's on a linux server. I just xhost
>  on my desktop, export my display, and run the GUI.
>
> One of our support contractors, wants to ssh, from the console of the
> new server, to another linux server (both SLES9), and then export his
> display back to the console of the 1st server - but it does not work.
> (we did the xhost  permissions on server 1) - what am I missing ?
>
>   
xhost permissions, wow - a blast from the past. I'm not even sure that
would work. The X11 display is automagically piggybacked on the ssh
connection, so there's no need to go through that other rigamarole. It's
a seamless 2 step process:

1. Connect via ssh to the remote server
2. Run the X11 app - it appears on your local display

Just make sure the sshd configuration on the remote server is not
rejecting the X11 connection. On our servers, the following line can be
found in /etc/ssh/sshd_config

X11Forwarding yes

Joe

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Re: [opensuse] Where is libQtGui.so.4

[Markus Koßmann]

Am Dienstag, 11. September 2007 schrieb Chris Arnold:
> Rauch Christian wrote:
> > http://benjiweber.co.uk:8080/webpin/index.jsp?searchTerm=libQtGui.so.4&di
> >stro=openSUSE_102
>
> Nope, i tried that and i always get some dependency problem:
> rpm -Uvh libqt4-x11-4.3.1-28.1.i586.rpm
> error: Failed dependencies:
> libQt3Support.so.4 is needed by libqt4-x11-4.3.1-28.1.i586
> rpm -Uvh libqt4-qt3support-4.3.1-28.1.i586.rpm
> error: Failed dependencies:
> libQtGui.so.4 is needed by libqt4-qt3support-4.3.1-28.1.i586
>
> Ultimately, i am trying to install libqt4-x11-4.3.1-28.1.i586.rpm.

This is the classic circular dependency which should be solved , if you 
intstall all the these packages with one command. Try: 
 rpm -Uvh libqt4-x11-4.3.1-28.1.i586.rpm libqt4-qt3support-4.3.1-28.1.i586.rpm
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Re: [opensuse] packman problem?

[Rajko M.]

On Tuesday 11 September 2007 11:40, Jonathan Arnold wrote:
> I seem to be having a packman repositry problem. I'm getting:
>
> File /repodata/repomd.xml not found on media:
> http://packman.unixheads.com/suse/10.2
>
> And it's true, there is no repomd.xml in that folder. There is a
> repomd.xml.key, but that's not good enough!
>
> Anyone else running into this?

There is announcement in [EMAIL PROTECTED] by Pascal Bleser: 

Subject: [opensuse-project] Packman repository for 10.2 broken

"Just FYI and because here is as good/bad as anywhere else...

The Packman repository is currently broken at least for 10.2 because
quota was exceeded on the server (and the repo-md metadata couldn't be
generated properly).

Will be fixed ASAP. Unfortunately, the mirrors have already rsynced and,
well, they're broken too ;)
Most mirrors sync every 30min though, which also means it should be
fixed everywhere quite quickly." 

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[opensuse] Re: packman problem?

[Jonathan Arnold]

Hartmut Meyer wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> On Dienstag, 11. September 2007, Jonathan Arnold wrote:
>> I seem to be having a packman repositry problem. I'm getting:
>>
>> File /repodata/repomd.xml not found on media:
>> http://packman.unixheads.com/suse/10.2
>>
>> And it's true, there is no repomd.xml in that folder. There is a
>> repomd.xml.key, but that's not good enough!
> 
> Known problem:
> 
> --- snip -
> Just FYI and because here is as good/bad as anywhere else...
> 
> The Packman repository is currently broken at least for 10.2 because
> quota was exceeded on the server (and the repo-md metadata couldn't be
> generated properly).
> 
> Will be fixed ASAP. Unfortunately, the mirrors have already rsynced and,
> well, they're broken too ;)
> Most mirrors sync every 30min though, which also means it should be
> fixed everywhere quite quickly.
> --- snap -
> 
> (reported earlier today on the opensuse-project list)

Ahh, thanks. So many mailing lists, so little time...

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Re: [opensuse] Where is libQtGui.so.4

[Chris Arnold]

Rauch Christian wrote:
>
> http://benjiweber.co.uk:8080/webpin/index.jsp?searchTerm=libQtGui.so.4&distro=openSUSE_102
Nope, i tried that and i always get some dependency problem:
rpm -Uvh libqt4-x11-4.3.1-28.1.i586.rpm
error: Failed dependencies:
libQt3Support.so.4 is needed by libqt4-x11-4.3.1-28.1.i586
rpm -Uvh libqt4-qt3support-4.3.1-28.1.i586.rpm
error: Failed dependencies:
libQtGui.so.4 is needed by libqt4-qt3support-4.3.1-28.1.i586

Ultimately, i am trying to install libqt4-x11-4.3.1-28.1.i586.rpm.

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Re: [opensuse] packman problem?

[Hartmut Meyer]

Hi,

On Dienstag, 11. September 2007, Jonathan Arnold wrote:
> I seem to be having a packman repositry problem. I'm getting:
>
> File /repodata/repomd.xml not found on media:
> http://packman.unixheads.com/suse/10.2
>
> And it's true, there is no repomd.xml in that folder. There is a
> repomd.xml.key, but that's not good enough!

Known problem:

--- snip -
Just FYI and because here is as good/bad as anywhere else...

The Packman repository is currently broken at least for 10.2 because
quota was exceeded on the server (and the repo-md metadata couldn't be
generated properly).

Will be fixed ASAP. Unfortunately, the mirrors have already rsynced and,
well, they're broken too ;)
Most mirrors sync every 30min though, which also means it should be
fixed everywhere quite quickly.
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Re: [opensuse] packman problem?

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Jonathan Arnold wrote:
> I seem to be having a packman repositry problem. I'm getting:
> 
> File /repodata/repomd.xml not found on media: 
> http://packman.unixheads.com/suse/10.2
> 
> And it's true, there is no repomd.xml in that folder. There is a 
> repomd.xml.key,
> but that's not good enough!
> 
> Anyone else running into this?
> 

getting problems with the warwick mirror of packman...
anorien.warwick.ac.uk ... YaST error a little uninformative but required
removal of repositry to get beyond YaST hanging completely...

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[opensuse] packman problem?

[Jonathan Arnold]

I seem to be having a packman repositry problem. I'm getting:

File /repodata/repomd.xml not found on media: 
http://packman.unixheads.com/suse/10.2

And it's true, there is no repomd.xml in that folder. There is a repomd.xml.key,
but that's not good enough!

Anyone else running into this?

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[opensuse] Re: Upgrade from 10.3 beta 1 to beta 3

[Jonathan Arnold]

Bogdan Cristea wrote:
> I just installed openSuSE 10.3 beta 1 and I wonder if there is a way to 
> upgrade to beta 3 from the Internet.

I think the only way to do an update is to download the two deltas, although
I'm not sure if there was a beta 1 -> beta 2 delta release.

http://en.opensuse.org/Development_Version

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Re: [opensuse] Upgrade from 10.3 beta 1 to beta 3

[Rajko M.]

On Tuesday 11 September 2007 11:05, Bogdan Cristea wrote:
> I just installed openSuSE 10.3 beta 1 and I wonder if there is a way to
> upgrade to beta 3 from the Internet.
> --
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You can use update to Factory, but I'm not sure would be that marked as Beta3. 
Until yesterday update to Factory using YaST was marked as Beta3 (not 
Factory):
# cat /etc/SuSE-release
openSUSE 10.3 (X86-64) Beta3
VERSION = 10.3

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Re: [opensuse] Ext3 vs Reiser FS

[Joop Boonen]

David C. Rankin wrote:
> Daniel Bauer wrote:
>   
>> On Monday 10 September 2007, Kai Ponte wrote:
>> 
>>> On Monday 10 September 2007 07:05, Frank Fiene wrote:
>>>   
 On Montag, 10. September 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
> I am about to install openSuSE 10.2 on two new computers and see that
> the 10.2 default file system is ext3 and not Reiser.  I'd like some
> advice as whether to accept the ext3 default or to go with Reiser as
> I have in the past.
>   
 reiserfs is dead!
 
>
> Not entirely, Reiserfs 3x is finished and is not going to receive
> further development. Reiserfs 4x is not complete, *but* the jury is
> still out on whether, and how much, development is currently taking place.
>
> see http://www.namesys.com/v4/v4.html  and
> http://www.namesys.com/install_v4.html
>
>   
>>> No, his wife is.
>>>
>>>   
>> Maybe. Maybe not. Nobody (of us) knows.
>>
>> Having good (well: a lot of) expertise in media I don't believe a single 
>> word 
>> I read or hear in the news. 
>>
>> Regarding reiserfs:
>>
>> I still use it, it survived several sudden power-downs, I'm happy with it, 
>> having countless text, photo and tar.gz files from some Kilobytes up to 
>> hundreds of MB's. Don't know, if that's very efficient, but it's fast and it 
>> works reliably (knock on wood).
>>
>> 
>
> Me too. I would add 'at least 100' sudden power-downs and I have never
> lost a single file. Additional Me Too of (knock on wood)
>
>   
>> I'm just confused by the discussions I read here on this list. But apart 
>> from 
>> personal beliefs I havn't read a lot of helpful postings in this regard 
>> here, 
>> regrettably. It sometimes reminds me of the Win-Linux discussions (mine is 
>> better than yours, nyaaah nyaaah nyaaah)
>>
>> Well, some were serious, I must admit...
>>
>> Daniel
>>
>> 
>
> see also: http://linuxgazette.net/102/piszcz.html  on the large/small
> file advantages/disadvantages.
>   

This another great Link:
http://linuxgazette.net/122/piszcz.html

> I have used both and for my use I have no complaints about either..
>
>
>   

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Re: [opensuse] Where is libQtGui.so.4

[Rauch Christian]

Chris Arnold schrieb:
> In what package do i find libQtGui.so.4?

http://benjiweber.co.uk:8080/webpin/index.jsp?searchTerm=libQtGui.so.4&distro=openSUSE_102

Regards,
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[opensuse] Where is libQtGui.so.4

[Chris Arnold]

In what package do i find libQtGui.so.4?
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Re: [opensuse] Ext3 vs Reiser FS

[Joop Boonen]

Hello Buddy,

This is a link with descriptions of Linux file systems by Novell/SuSE
it's not recent but still valid.
http://www.novell.com/documentation/suse91/suselinux-adminguide/html/apas02.html

Regards,

Joop Boonen.

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> I am about to install openSuSE 10.2 on two new computers and see that the
> 10.2 default file system is ext3 and not Reiser.  I'd like some advice as
> whether to accept the ext3 default or to go with Reiser as I have in the
> past.
>
> I have two 500 GB SATA II drives.  My programs do lots of file I/O and can
> generate files as large as 15-20 GB in some of my scientific applications.
>
> Any advice you could give is greatly appreciated.
>
> Buddy Coffey
> Applied Research Associates
> Computational and Applied Electromagnetics
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Re: [opensuse] new hard disk partition

[Michael Kershaw]

Once you've created the new partition, you can run "partprobe" and
then apply your filesystem of choice.

Hope this helps!

Mike Kershaw

On 9/11/07, Istvan Gabor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello list users:
>
> When I create a new partiton on a hard disk (eg /dev/hda2)
> with cfdisk or fdisk SUSE (currently openSUSE 10.2) won't
> recognize it and does not insert it's entry in /dev (as /dev/
> hda2). For this I have to reboot the system.
> How can I have suse recognize the new partiton so that I could
> format it and use it without rebooting?
> Thanks,
> IG
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>
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[opensuse] new hard disk partition

[Istvan Gabor]

Hello list users:

When I create a new partiton on a hard disk (eg /dev/hda2) 
with cfdisk or fdisk SUSE (currently openSUSE 10.2) won't 
recognize it and does not insert it's entry in /dev (as /dev/
hda2). For this I have to reboot the system.
How can I have suse recognize the new partiton so that I could 
format it and use it without rebooting?
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[opensuse] Upgrade from 10.3 beta 1 to beta 3

[Bogdan Cristea]

I just installed openSuSE 10.3 beta 1 and I wonder if there is a way to 
upgrade to beta 3 from the Internet.
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Re: [opensuse] xen nad pciback.hide, doesn't survive domU reboot

[Peter Sjoberg]

On Sat, 2007-08-18 at 02:00 -0400, Peter Sjoberg wrote:
> I'm running OpenSUES 10.2 on a Pentium4 system where I have installed
> XEN and some guests.
> One of the guests is a (opensuse 10.2) firewall with 5 NICs. Since we
> have the limit of max 3 vifs' I'm exporting 2 with help of pciback. This
> works fine most of the time but sometimes the guest doesn't find the 2
> direct exported ports ("lspci" returns nothing). It seems to never work
> if I reboot the guest and if I shutdown/create it works most of the time
> but not always.

Done a complete reinstall on a different system with different hardware,
only os, config and problem is the same.
The other system is a AMD server and the NICs are two dualport e100
where I did a fresh install of OpenSuSE 10.2 (this time x86_64, otherone
was 32bit) and a new install of domU.
After configuring the pciback and testing reboot I got the same as
before, no extra ports after reboot of domU


I did compare dmesg after reboto vs after cold boot and found two lines
to be interesting

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ diff -u dmesg_after_cold-boot dmesg_after_reboot-boot
--- dmesg_after_cold-boot   2007-09-11 11:51:05.0 -0400
+++ dmesg_after_reboot-boot 2007-09-11 11:57:27.0 -0400
...
@@ -37,15 +37,13 @@
 PCI: System does not support PCI
 PCI: System does not support PCI
 NET: Registered protocol family 2
-pcifront pci-0: Installing PCI frontend
-pcifront pci-0: Creating PCI Frontend Bus :00
 IP route cache hash table entries: 4096 (order: 3, 32768 bytes)
 TCP established hash table entries: 16384 (order: 6, 262144 bytes)
 TCP bind hash table entries: 8192 (order: 5, 131072 bytes)
...

Why doesn't "pcifront" gets loaded after reboot ???
What loads/initialize pcifront ?

/ps
> 
> What can I do to make sure it always works?
> Where should I look for the problem ?
> 
> Config data: On the host (dom0) I have
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] cat /etc/modprobe.conf.local
> options pciback hide=(:03:02.1)(:03:03.1)
> install sunhme /sbin/modprobe pciback ; /sbin/modprobe --first-time
> --ignore-install sunhme
> 
> 
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> memory = 256
> vcpus = 1
> builder = 'linux'
> name = 'worf'
> #
> vif = [ 'mac=00:16:3e:00:0f:fb, bridge=xenbr0', 'mac=00:16:3e:00:ac:fb,
> bridge=xenbr1','mac=00:16:3e:c0:a8:fb, bridge=xenbr2' ]
> pci=[':03:02.1',':03:03.1']
> localtime = 0
> on_poweroff = 'destroy'
> on_reboot = 'restart'
> on_crash = 'restart'
> extra = ' TERM=xterm'
> bootloader = '/usr/lib/xen/boot/domUloader.py'
> bootentry = 'hda1:/boot/vmlinuz-xen,/boot/initrd-xen'
> 
> 
> On the guest I configured the network ports with "yast lan" and after
> making the MAC static (it changed after each boot) it works whenever the
> bypassed nics are available.
> 
>  [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# cat /etc/modprobe.conf.local
>  options sunhme macaddr=0x08,0x00,0x20,0x00,0x00,0x49
> 
> Both host and guest runs a fully patched opensuse 10.2 -32bit
> 
> 
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Re: [opensuse] Questions for Partitioning guru's - Solved

[Kenneth Schneider]

On Tue, 2007-09-11 at 16:37 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:
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> The Tuesday 2007-09-11 at 09:12 -0400, Felix Miata wrote:
> 
> > On 2007/09/11 14:39 (GMT+0200) Carlos E. R. apparently typed:
> > 
> > > Notice: beware of adding too many partitions! If you have more than 16 
> > > you 
> > 
> > The correct statement is more than *15*, as 15 are supported by SCSI, while
> > 16 are not.
> 
> You are probably right.
> 
> It is fom 0 to 15, which makes 16; but the 0 is the whole disk. So it must 
> be 15 partitions.
> 

Wrong! sda0 is a partition as well as hda0 is a partition _NOT_ the
whole disk. The whole disk would be sda or hda (without the number).

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Re: [opensuse] Ext3 vs Reiser FS

[jdd]

Carlos E. R. wrote:


Ext3 is very stable, standard, and easy to repair


the worst problem I had was with ext3.

But this don't mean ext3 is not reliable.. Whatever you make a file 
system, failure of electricity at the wrong moment can give loss.


non hardware related problems (for example for UPS saved computers) 
are more important but seems to be very rare...


jdd


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Re: [opensuse] NVidia after kernel-update

[Patrick Shanahan]

* Koenraad Lelong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [09-11-07 11:14]:
> I just updated my laptop, it installed a new kernel. Now my NVidia-card 
> doesn't work any more. I activated the nv-driver, but I would like the 
> nvidia-one back. I tried to uninstall and re-install, but this didn't 
> work. The download-site seems not to have a new version.
> Any suggestions before I try compiling from source ?

you need to have installed the kernel-source version to match the new
kernel, then reapply the NVidia driver,
  sh ./NVIDIA-version -a

(as root)

and follow the prompts as you did before.

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Re: [opensuse] NVidia after kernel-update

[Sunny]

On 9/11/07, Koenraad Lelong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi,
> I just updated my laptop, it installed a new kernel. Now my NVidia-card
> doesn't work any more. I activated the nv-driver, but I would like the
> nvidia-one back. I tried to uninstall and re-install, but this didn't
> work. The download-site seems not to have a new version.
> Any suggestions before I try compiling from source ?
> Running 10.1.

You will need to install it manually. If it was installed with an rpm,
uninstall it, and the download nvidia-installer, and run it. You will
need to have kernel-sources installed in order for this to work, as it
will need to build the kernel module.

Read the README on the download page.

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RE: [opensuse] Re: Display not working

[Dirk Moolman]

Thanks Jonathan

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Subject: [opensuse] Re: Display not working

Dirk Moolman wrote:
> We've just installed a new server.  Normally I will use Xwindows on my
> PC or laptop, if I need to run any GUI's on a linux server. I just xhost
>  on my desktop, export my display, and run the GUI.
> 
> One of our support contractors, wants to ssh, from the console of the
> new server, to another linux server (both SLES9), and then export his
> display back to the console of the 1st server - but it does not work.
> (we did the xhost  permissions on server 1) - what am I missing ?

If you are doing ssh, you need to enable X port forwarding (-X).

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Re: [opensuse] Migration advice sought

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* Carlos E. R. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [09-11-07 10:57]:
> rpm -q- a

Did you mean:  rpm -qa
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[opensuse] NVidia after kernel-update

[Koenraad Lelong]

Hi,
I just updated my laptop, it installed a new kernel. Now my NVidia-card 
doesn't work any more. I activated the nv-driver, but I would like the 
nvidia-one back. I tried to uninstall and re-install, but this didn't 
work. The download-site seems not to have a new version.

Any suggestions before I try compiling from source ?
Running 10.1.
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[opensuse] Re: Display not working

[Jonathan Arnold]

Dirk Moolman wrote:
> We've just installed a new server.  Normally I will use Xwindows on my
> PC or laptop, if I need to run any GUI's on a linux server. I just xhost
> + on my desktop, export my display, and run the GUI.
> 
> One of our support contractors, wants to ssh, from the console of the
> new server, to another linux server (both SLES9), and then export his
> display back to the console of the 1st server - but it does not work.
> (we did the xhost + permissions on server 1) - what am I missing ?

If you are doing ssh, you need to enable X port forwarding (-X).

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[opensuse] Display not working

[Dirk Moolman]

We've just installed a new server.  Normally I will use Xwindows on my
PC or laptop, if I need to run any GUI's on a linux server. I just xhost
+ on my desktop, export my display, and run the GUI.

One of our support contractors, wants to ssh, from the console of the
new server, to another linux server (both SLES9), and then export his
display back to the console of the 1st server - but it does not work.
(we did the xhost + permissions on server 1) - what am I missing ?


 



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Agility Technologies (HealthCorp)



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Re: [opensuse] Re: Gigabyte M61p-s3

[Koenraad Lelong]

Jonathan Arnold schreef:

Joseph Loo wrote:

I just recently bought the Gigabyte M61P-s3 motherboard. I have an x2
AMD processor running on it. I installed opensuse 10.2 on it and found
out it will not recognize the ethernet Realtek RTL 8211 and Realtek
ALC883 Codec chip (audio). Has anyone found a way to get them to work?
or will I have to buy a LAN card and audio card for this computer as the
simplest solution?


If it is, in fact, an ALC883, then check out the posting I did on Linux
Brain Dump. It was for an ALC888 (and for Fedora 7), but I'll bet the
process is very similar - download the drivers from Realtek and install
them.

http://linuxbraindump.org/2007/09/11/adding-realtek-sound-to-fedora/

I just got a new PC, with an ALC883 codec on the MoBo. I downloaded the 
Realtek driver and after compiling/installing it worked. The driver 
supplied on the CD didn't work (too old I think). It's an Asus P5K MoBo 
B.T.W.

I also tried 10.3Beta3 on it, and then it works 'out of the box'.
P.S. anyone knows if the detection of the channels works ? What I mean 
is with Windows XP one can insert a jack-plug and the system asks what 
channel it is supposed to be.

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Re: [opensuse] Migration advice sought

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The Tuesday 2007-09-11 at 10:30 -0400, Jonathan Arnold wrote:

> I'm running openSUSE 10.2, with plenty of apps installed. I figure at
> the very least, I will copy my ~ folder over, which should get most of
> my data. But should I install the latest 10.3 beta and hope to be able
> to upgrade that? Or should I just go with 10.2 and wait for the official
> upgrade path?

Definitely, wait.

It is your production system: don't take the risk of moving over to a 
beta. By all means, test the beta, but on a different partition.

> And in any case, is there an easy way in YaST to find out what packages
> I have installed so I can install them on the new machine?

rpm -q- a

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Re: [opensuse] No openSUSE 10.4, was: Questions for Partitioning guru's - Solved

[Alexey Eremenko]

On 9/11/07, Carlos E. R. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> The Tuesday 2007-09-11 at 09:19 -0400, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
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> > * Carlos E. R.  [09-11-07 08:39]:
> > > Notice: beware of adding too many partitions! If you have more than 16
> > > you will not be able to install suse 10.4 (yes, that's a four).
> >
> > Announced yesterday, there will be no 10.4.  It will be 11.0, perhaps
> > related to inclusion/upgrade of/to KDE4.
>
> Versionitis!
>
> I'd love to see 10.64...
>
> :-P

This is of no relevance ! Until then all CPUs will be 128-bit :)

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Re: [opensuse] No openSUSE 10.4, was: Questions for Partitioning guru's - Solved

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The Tuesday 2007-09-11 at 09:19 -0400, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

> * Carlos E. R.  [09-11-07 08:39]:
> > Notice: beware of adding too many partitions! If you have more than 16
> > you will not be able to install suse 10.4 (yes, that's a four).
> 
> Announced yesterday, there will be no 10.4.  It will be 11.0, perhaps
> related to inclusion/upgrade of/to KDE4.

Versionitis!

I'd love to see 10.64...

:-P

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Re: [opensuse] Questions for Partitioning guru's - Solved

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The Tuesday 2007-09-11 at 09:12 -0400, Felix Miata wrote:

> On 2007/09/11 14:39 (GMT+0200) Carlos E. R. apparently typed:
> 
> > Notice: beware of adding too many partitions! If you have more than 16 you 
> 
> The correct statement is more than *15*, as 15 are supported by SCSI, while
> 16 are not.

You are probably right.

It is fom 0 to 15, which makes 16; but the 0 is the whole disk. So it must 
be 15 partitions.

However, the 10.3 installer message talks about 16. Perhaps it says "16 or 
more", but I'd had to reboot in order to check it.


> > will not be able to install suse 10.4 (yes, that's a four).
> 
> I believe your statement probably is based upon
> http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2007-08/msg01646.html but what that says
> is that the legacy drivers *may* no longer be included in 10.4, *not* that
> installing to a disk possessing more than 15 partitions will be impossible
> (as is the case in Fedora as of v7).

If the legacy drivers are not included, then install and usage are
impossible. I'd hug that "may", but...

It is also confirmed by 

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[opensuse] Migration advice sought

[Jonathan Arnold]

I finished building my new computer (look for the series of posting
soon to come on Linux Brain Dump) and now I'm wondering what and how
to move my current set up over.

I'm running openSUSE 10.2, with plenty of apps installed. I figure at
the very least, I will copy my ~ folder over, which should get most of
my data. But should I install the latest 10.3 beta and hope to be able
to upgrade that? Or should I just go with 10.2 and wait for the official
upgrade path?

And in any case, is there an easy way in YaST to find out what packages
I have installed so I can install them on the new machine?

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Re: [opensuse] Ext3 vs Reiser FS

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The Tuesday 2007-09-11 at 08:08 -0400, Peter Sjoberg wrote:

> That's one thing that really annoys me. A while ago I changed a
> production system with about 1.5T storage and since it been over 180
> days since last fsck my reboot took almost 1 hour (when I had told the
> client that a reboot is fast, takes max 15 minutes)

Yes, that's a known problem of ext3. In your situation, perhaps reiserfs 
is not ideal, but you could try xfs.

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[opensuse] Re: Gigabyte M61p-s3

[Jonathan Arnold]

Joseph Loo wrote:
> I just recently bought the Gigabyte M61P-s3 motherboard. I have an x2
> AMD processor running on it. I installed opensuse 10.2 on it and found
> out it will not recognize the ethernet Realtek RTL 8211 and Realtek
> ALC883 Codec chip (audio). Has anyone found a way to get them to work?
> or will I have to buy a LAN card and audio card for this computer as the
> simplest solution?

If it is, in fact, an ALC883, then check out the posting I did on Linux
Brain Dump. It was for an ALC888 (and for Fedora 7), but I'll bet the
process is very similar - download the drivers from Realtek and install
them.

http://linuxbraindump.org/2007/09/11/adding-realtek-sound-to-fedora/

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[opensuse] No openSUSE 10.4, was: Questions for Partitioning guru's - Solved

[Patrick Shanahan]

* Carlos E. R. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [09-11-07 08:39]:
> Notice: beware of adding too many partitions! If you have more than 16
> you will not be able to install suse 10.4 (yes, that's a four).

Announced yesterday, there will be no 10.4.  It will be 11.0, perhaps
related to inclusion/upgrade of/to KDE4.

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Re: [opensuse] Re: IDE for Mono

[Kai Ponte]

On Tuesday 11 September 2007 01:14, G T Smith wrote:
> Kai Ponte wrote:
> > On Sunday 09 September 2007 03:25, Eberhard Roloff wrote:
> >> Kai Ponte wrote:
> >>> I'm getting kind of tired of fighting Java for one of my apps. Since
> >>> most of my staff is C# trained, I'm thinking it is time to switch and
> >>> leverage their knowledge.
> >>>
> >>> Anybody know of a good IDE for Mono?  I know there's the MonoDevelop
> >>> editor, but I've yet to find an IDE out there.
> >>
> >> http://www.gotmono.com/docs/ide/eclipse.html
> >
> > Oh, that's funny!  I actually started the project I'm doing in Eclipse,
> > but gave up because the tool didn't have a GUI editor and the third-party
> > tool I was attempting to use (http://www.windowbuilderpro.com/) would
> > crash always in Linux.
>
> Am I right in thinking that the problem with Java was no GUI editor in
> Eclipse... 

That is correct - there is (or was) no GUI editor in Eclipse.  

> (not sure about the latest versions but this a bit of a 
> problem in earlier versions, as well as the rather indifferent UML
> support).

Bah, I don't do UML.  My programmers all think I'm crazy, but I find it a 
waste of time.  




>
> Actually Netbeans (community edition) does include a GUI editor (I
> installed this to fill this gap), not really explored this in any depth
> or recently as what I am currently working on is non-Java and non-GUI.
> Unfortunately, this is a non-RPM install.

Yes, there is a very good GUI editor in Netbeans 5.5 and (forthcoming) 6.0 
that let's you build GUI apps for any OS - Mac, Wintendo, Linux, UNIX - with 
ease.  I very much like the GUI editor in Netbeans. 

Using Visual Basic 3 as my benchmark for ease-of-development, I find Netbeans 
to be right up there. The only problem I'm having (as described on the 
Netbeans mailing lists) is the inability to have an item (JLabel) on one form 
be updated by an item on another form. 

I was hoping such an item would be easier in mono.net.  Maybe not. ?

Sorry for the off-topic portions of this post. 

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Re: [opensuse] Questions for Partitioning guru's - Solved

[Felix Miata]

On 2007/09/11 14:39 (GMT+0200) Carlos E. R. apparently typed:

> Notice: beware of adding too many partitions! If you have more than 16 you 

The correct statement is more than *15*, as 15 are supported by SCSI, while
16 are not.

> will not be able to install suse 10.4 (yes, that's a four).

I believe your statement probably is based upon
http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2007-08/msg01646.html but what that says
is that the legacy drivers *may* no longer be included in 10.4, *not* that
installing to a disk possessing more than 15 partitions will be impossible
(as is the case in Fedora as of v7).
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Re: [opensuse] Questions for Partitioning guru's - Solved

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The Tuesday 2007-09-11 at 00:15 -0400, Bob S wrote:

> cfdisk will do it !!  Thanks so much ! All the remaining 167GB of free space.
> 
>  I had never heard of cfdisk and was afraid of what I would do so I studied 
> the man page over and over and then tried it.  It will work. (Wonder why Yast 
> partitioner won't?)  What it will do is create sda10 a logical partition of 
> 167GB of all remaining free space which I am assuming will push the extended 
> partion out to the end of the disk.  I didn't do it because I am afraid to do 
> it on my running system ( a concern?) and I didn't want a partition of that 
> huge size, and I don't see (yet) a way to create several smaller partitions. 
> Can that be done in cfdisk? I suppose I could go to the yast partitioner and 
> resize it. but that may make the extended partition shrink. I dunno yet. But 
> I am very happy that I have that space back for when I go to install 10.3.

I think you can safely create that big partition, and then, if you want, 
delete it in Yast and create smaller partitions. This should not shrink 
the extended partition again (usual disclaimers apply, blah, blah, blah).

Notice: beware of adding too many partitions! If you have more than 16 you 
will not be able to install suse 10.4 (yes, that's a four).

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Re: [opensuse] Ext3 vs Reiser FS

[Carlos E. R.]

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The Tuesday 2007-09-11 at 08:44 +0100, Fergus Wilde wrote:

> I hope I haven't missed this elsewhere, but I'd be interested to know if 
> there 
> are special reasons why you've used ext3 on / and xfs on your other Linux 
> partitions - just as a pointer next time I'm setting up a disk.

Ext3 is very stable, standard, and easy to repair: a good choice for 
root.. Xfs has good tools for imaging a partition for backup, for 
instance. Good for /home. Just look at the available tools:

xfs   xfs_bmap  xfs_copy  xfs_freezexfs_info  
xfs_logprint  xfs_ncheckxfs_repairxfsinfo   
xfs_admin xfs_check xfs_dbxfs_growfsxfs_io
xfs_mkfilexfs_quota xfs_rtcp  


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Re: [opensuse] Questions for Partitioning guru's - Solved

[Rajko M.]

On Monday 10 September 2007 23:50, which is late night, Rajko M. wrote and now 
has to explain: 
...
> The 'cfdisk' is dependable program and easy to use, but that's not all,
> there is 'sfdisk' too :-) Looks like 'fdisk', but it is better, than
> 'parted'.

The 'sfdisk' looks like 'fdisk', but it is better. 
Than we have parted as another partitioning tool, that is installed by 
default. AFAIK parted is used by YaST. 

...
> > Thanks again guys and all ideas welcome on dividing up that 167GB before
> > I commit.

Adding partitions in empty space after already partitioned space is not risky, 
at least not more than any partitioning. The only operation that requires 
precision is if you resize partition that is between 2 others. 

The only advice that you need is to have in mind that you have 6 more left. 
So maximum 5 partitions of 10 GB for experimental systems, and the rest for 
archive where you can store iso files, backups, virtual machine images etc. 

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Re: [opensuse] Ext3 vs Reiser FS

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The Tuesday 2007-09-11 at 09:01 +0100, G T Smith wrote:

> > I have completely lost partitions in reiserfs, ext3, and xfs. All three of
> > them. Lots of lost data.
> >
> > And I keep using the three of them. But I will not swear by any of them. I
> > just make backups, because I know I will loose data again. I don't know
> > when, I simply know I will.
> >
> 
> This is really FS independent, this will happen on whatever software,
> hardware, and FS one uses. What would be useful is a real world MTF
> (mean time to failure) stat as well as performance stats, so one can
> make decisions about real world reliability as well as performance. What
> we have is a lot of anecdotal information, but very little one can pin
> numbers on.

No, I'm talking about real software failures in the filesystem. XFS, for 
instance:

  nimrodel:~ # xfs_repair /dev/hdd8
  Phase 1 - find and verify superblock...
  Phase 2 - using internal log
  ...
  disconnected dir inode 46144142, moving to lost+found
  disconnected inode 46170775, moving to lost+found
  corrupt inode 46170775 (btree).  This is a bug.
  Please report it to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  cache_node_purge: refcount was 1, not zero (node=0x82e8af8)

  fatal error -- 117 - couldn't iget disconnected inode
  nimrodel:~ #


It's on bugzilla. No response. :-(


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[opensuse] Compiling OpenOffice

[Hans van der Merwe]

Im trying to recompile OpenOffice 2.2 (srpm from buildservice) but
requires java2-devel-packages.  Where can I find this?  Google is no
help.
Also do I actually need the 125Meg openclipart package or can I just
ignore the dependency?

Thanks
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Re: [opensuse] Ext3 vs Reiser FS

[Carlos E. R.]

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The Tuesday 2007-09-11 at 08:17 +0200, Frank Fiene wrote:

> You're right. not entirely but nearly entirely.
> It receives no further development, also no bugfixes and performance 
> improvements for actual hardware.

Wrong.

It does receive bugfixes.

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Re: [opensuse] Ext3 vs Reiser FS

[Peter Sjoberg]

On Tue, 2007-09-11 at 09:01 +0100, G T Smith wrote:
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> > 
> > The Monday 2007-09-10 at 14:30 -0400, Aaron Kulkis wrote:
> > 
> >> In my experience, reiserfs is not safe. It frequently fails
> >> (corruption and/or file loss) in the event of improper shutdown
> >> such as power failure or system crash.
Short of disk failures I been lucky and never lost a filesystem, ext or
otherwise.

> As for ext3 until someone fixes the truly appalling performance of the
> consistency checks (and the default behaviour of firing up those checks
> periodically), I am sticking with reiser.
> 
That's one thing that really annoys me. A while ago I changed a
production system with about 1.5T storage and since it been over 180
days since last fsck my reboot took almost 1 hour (when I had told the
client that a reboot is fast, takes max 15 minutes)

> 
> 
> 
> - --
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> My wish has come true. I no longer know how to use my telephone.
> 
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Re: [opensuse] reporting bugs upstream

[JP Rosevear]

On Tue, 2007-09-11 at 08:28 +0200, Pavel Nemec wrote:
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> Hello,
> today i again hit problem which is known for long time. If someone
> report bug which is too -  much complicated / no one is able to fix it
> / package maintainer is overloaded   - bug assignee close this bug as
> WONTFIX and ask reporter to move bug in upstream facility (another
> bugzilla for example).
> I understand this (as i was overloaded package maintainer also) but i
> also thing it is packager responsibility to report bug to upstream and
> track them here.
> As I know many others are also not sure about it I am asking here. So
> what is standard procedure?

The procedure we're using in the GNOME and OO groups is to use the
keyword should_go_upstream and later one of us or a QA person will move
the bug upstream (if its not there already) and mark the bug
RESOLVED/LATER.  Periodically we'll query to see if the upstream bug
status has changed.  Not really clear if this is scalable or not yet.

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Re: [opensuse] Ext3 vs Reiser FS

[Ansgar Esztermann]

> > I have two 500 GB SATA II drives.  My programs do lots of file I/O and can
> > generate files as large as 15-20 GB in some of my scientific applications.
> 
> You could also consider xfs, it's very god for large files. Even better, 
> test your application with both types of filesystem, and then decide.

Testing is definitely the best way to reach a decision. About a year 
ago, I tested ext3, xfs, and reiserfs for our systems. We do molecular
dynamics simulations on clusters, and that means that we have several
clients appending to large files (>10GB) simultaneously.

I've discovered that xfs came out fastest (and with a relatively low
load on the NFS server), ext3 was second, and reiserfs clearly the
weakest. However, when I repeated a few of the tests on a local file
system, that picture changed drastically: reiserfs was more or less on
par with xfs, with ext3 being way behind.
So, it definitely depends on the details of your application.

As for the stability, the data I have is much "softer" (read:
anecdotal). We've had a few crashes with reiserfs, including some data
loss. At one point, a rebuild_tree failed and left a disc with no file
names and only a limited directory hierarchy. While xfs seems to be
more stable, it shows some problems as well (no data loss so far).
In my experience, ext3 has been rock solid.

However, since fs crashes and data loss are such rare events (at
least, they should be), it is quite hard to gather reliable data, and
the signal-to-noise ratio tends to be low.


Besides, reiserfs takes a long time to mount; and mkfs.xfs is
incredibly fast. Of course, creating files systems (and even mounting
them) is a rare occurrence, so these points should not influence your
decision unless everything else is equal.




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Re: [opensuse] reporting bugs upstream

[Joe Morris (NTM)]

On 09/11/2007 02:28 PM, Pavel Nemec wrote:
> Hello,
> today i again hit problem which is known for long time. If someone
> report bug which is too -  much complicated / no one is able to fix it
> / package maintainer is overloaded   - bug assignee close this bug as
> WONTFIX and ask reporter to move bug in upstream facility (another
> bugzilla for example).
> I understand this (as i was overloaded package maintainer also) but i
> also thing it is packager responsibility to report bug to upstream and
> track them here.
> As I know many others are also not sure about it I am asking here. So
> what is standard procedure?
Not sure what the procedure is, but what I try to do is determine if the
bug is present only in SuSE or generally, and if generally, then I try
to report it upstream.  If SUSE specific, then to SUSE bugzilla.  If I
cannot get enough info to determine that, then I may decide I do not
know enough to file a bug report for the issue, or I may as a catch all
default try the SUSE bugzilla.  If by finding the fix or similar reports
for other distros on a bug, then I will only file upstream.  A standard
procedure would be good to know, if there is one, or if not, it would be
helpful to arrive at the most efficient procedure possible.
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Re: [opensuse] glibc packages (32bit)

[Marcus Meissner]

On Mon, Sep 10, 2007 at 08:30:09PM +0200, Dirk Moolman wrote:
> Hi everyone, where can I download the 32bit rpm's for the glibc packages
> ?
> 
> glibc-2*.i686.rpm and 
> 
> glibc-devel-2*.i386.rpm
> 
> 
> (Suse SLES9)

For AMD64 systems? Just get the glibc-32bit packages.

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Re: [opensuse] How do I find out why my server crashed?

[Dave Cotton]

On Tue, 2007-09-11 at 09:59 +0100, Kevin Thorpe wrote:
> My server crashed last night and I can't see anything in the logs as to 
> why. I couldn't ssh in so I connected a screen and keyboard, the screen 
> stayed on standby and I couldn't even toggle the caps-lock. I'm thinking 
> that it was a kernel panic but without the screen I don't know what 
> caused it. I can't see anything except a huge gap in the logs so they're 
> no help. Is there anywhere else I can look to try and find out what the 
> problem was so I can stop it happening again? I don't appreciate being 
> dragged out of bed and half-way across the city by our Australian 
> friends who can't go to bed at a sensible time.

Big gap in the logs suggests to me no electricity.

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[opensuse] KAddressBokk Maps stopped working

[Lívio Cipriano]

Hi all,

KAddressBook was a functionality that presents a map, from "www.uk.map24.com" 
if this is the selected site, in Konqueror when you click in a address stored 
in a contact card.

Suddenly that stopped working. I click in the address, Konqueror starts, opens 
the site, shows the address in the left panel, but only presents the UK map. 
KAddressBook has other sites for maps, but they only show the initial page.

I tried to search some addresses with Firefox and the site worked ok.

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[opensuse] How do I find out why my server crashed?

[Kevin Thorpe]

My server crashed last night and I can't see anything in the logs as to 
why. I couldn't ssh in so I connected a screen and keyboard, the screen 
stayed on standby and I couldn't even toggle the caps-lock. I'm thinking 
that it was a kernel panic but without the screen I don't know what 
caused it. I can't see anything except a huge gap in the logs so they're 
no help. Is there anywhere else I can look to try and find out what the 
problem was so I can stop it happening again? I don't appreciate being 
dragged out of bed and half-way across the city by our Australian 
friends who can't go to bed at a sensible time.


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Re: [opensuse] Ext3 vs Reiser FS

[Fergus Wilde]

On Monday 10 September 2007 19:25, Aaron Kulkis wrote:
> Frank Fiene wrote:
> > On Montag, 10. September 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >> I am about to install openSuSE 10.2 on two new computers and see that
> >> the 10.2 default file system is ext3 and not Reiser.  I'd like some
> >> advice as whether to accept the ext3 default or to go with Reiser as
> >> I have in the past.
> >
> > reiserfs is dead!
>
> Yes, and I was burned by reiserfs a couple times.
>
> My next upgrade, I converted to ext3 and xfs.
> Despite several power-failures (in Iraq during generator maintenance), I
> never lost a single file with ext3 and xfs.
>
> Here is my system:
> $ mount | grep /
> /dev/sda5 on / type ext3 (rw,acl,user_xattr)
> /dev/sda6 on /usr type xfs (rw)
> /dev/sda7 on /var type xfs (rw)
> /dev/sda8 on /opt type xfs (rw)
> /dev/sda11 on /home type xfs (rw)
> /dev/sda9 on /tmp type xfs (rw)
> /dev/sdb1 on /windows/c type ntfs
>   (ro,noexec,nosuid,nodev,gid=100,umask=0002,nls=utf8)
> proc on /proc type proc (rw)
> sysfs on /sys type sysfs (rw)
> debugfs on /sys/kernel/debug type debugfs (rw)
> udev on /dev type tmpfs (rw)
> devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,mode=0620,gid=5)
> securityfs on /sys/kernel/security type securityfs (rw)

I hope I haven't missed this elsewhere, but I'd be interested to know if there 
are special reasons why you've used ext3 on / and xfs on your other Linux 
partitions - just as a pointer next time I'm setting up a disk.
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Re: [opensuse] Re: IDE for Mono

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Kai Ponte wrote:
> On Sunday 09 September 2007 03:25, Eberhard Roloff wrote:
>> Kai Ponte wrote:
>>> I'm getting kind of tired of fighting Java for one of my apps. Since most
>>> of my staff is C# trained, I'm thinking it is time to switch and leverage
>>> their knowledge.
>>>
>>> Anybody know of a good IDE for Mono?  I know there's the MonoDevelop
>>> editor, but I've yet to find an IDE out there.
>> http://www.gotmono.com/docs/ide/eclipse.html
> 
> Oh, that's funny!  I actually started the project I'm doing in Eclipse, but 
> gave up because the tool didn't have a GUI editor and the third-party tool I 
> was attempting to use (http://www.windowbuilderpro.com/) would crash always 
> in Linux. 

Am I right in thinking that the problem with Java was no GUI editor in
Eclipse... (not sure about the latest versions but this a bit of a
problem in earlier versions, as well as the rather indifferent UML support).

Actually Netbeans (community edition) does include a GUI editor (I
installed this to fill this gap), not really explored this in any depth
or recently as what I am currently working on is non-Java and non-GUI.
Unfortunately, this is a non-RPM install.


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Re: [opensuse] Ext3 vs Reiser FS

[G T Smith]

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Carlos E. R. wrote:
> 
> The Monday 2007-09-10 at 14:30 -0400, Aaron Kulkis wrote:
> 
>> In my experience, reiserfs is not safe. It frequently fails
>> (corruption and/or file loss) in the event of improper shutdown
>> such as power failure or system crash.
> 
>> Conversely, in Iraq, where I experienced frequent power-related
>> shutdowns, and a couple crashes (due to I think, running out of
>> swap space), I never lost a single file using ext3 and xfs.
> 
> I have completely lost partitions in reiserfs, ext3, and xfs. All three of 
> them. Lots of lost data.
> 
> And I keep using the three of them. But I will not swear by any of them. I 
> just make backups, because I know I will loose data again. I don't know 
> when, I simply know I will.
> 

This is really FS independent, this will happen on whatever software,
hardware, and FS one uses. What would be useful is a real world MTF
(mean time to failure) stat as well as performance stats, so one can
make decisions about real world reliability as well as performance. What
we have is a lot of anecdotal information, but very little one can pin
numbers on.

As for ext3 until someone fixes the truly appalling performance of the
consistency checks (and the default behaviour of firing up those checks
periodically), I am sticking with reiser.




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Re: [opensuse] Ext3 vs Reiser FS

[Clayton]

> Regarding reiserfs:
>
> I still use it, it survived several sudden power-downs, I'm happy with it,
> having countless text, photo and tar.gz files from some Kilobytes up to
> hundreds of MB's. Don't know, if that's very efficient, but it's fast and it
> works reliably (knock on wood).

This is why I have used reiserfs up until now.  I used to use ext2
(SUSE6.x days) and had real problems.  That kind of put me off ext
anything (logical or not, it is the reaction I had).  I moved over to
reiserfs and had flawless performance ever since.. over power losses,
friends hitting the off switch because that's how they power down
Windows, flaky power supplies... and so on.  All along , reiserfs has
worked.

That said... for reasons discussed here... like scaling.. I am
seriously considering a change.  I wish ZFS was ready to go on Linux
:-P  That would be my top choice.  It's so fast on Solaris... and
robust as well.

C.
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