Re: [Talk-us] Prima Facie Speed Limits
On 9/10/14 9:42 AM, Greg Morgan wrote: Thanks. I could not remember the name of the manual. Although states have rights, federal $$dollars$$ and the restrictions attached can have a way overriding states rights. actually one of the most powerful motivators behind the widespread adaption of the MUTCD is liability. if states and municipalities show they are operating in accordance with the MUTCD then they can avoid a world of hurt in court. it's why the recent addition of a number of bicycle facilities to the MUTCD is a big deal, as it makes them suddenly ok for many jurisdictions where they weren't before. richard -- rwe...@averillpark.net Averill Park Networking - GIS IT Consulting OpenStreetMap - PostgreSQL - Linux Java - Web Applications - Search signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Prima Facie Speed Limits
On 9/10/14 2:15 PM, Tod Fitch wrote: The more I think about it, tagging each way is a bit like (incorrect) tagging for the router, basically creating a maintenance headache and cluttering the OSM database with stuff the current router and navigation guidance can use without being changed. But the rule is really for a whole jurisdiction and could be covered with a handful of tags, one for each highway class on the area or relation that describes the administrative area. That would allow for cases like Burlington, Vermont having prima facie limits even if Vermont doesn't (as was mentioned earlier in this thread). And it would allow easy updates if/when that administrative unit changes its laws, only a handful of tags all on one object versus changing potentially thousands of highway objects. the tradeoff is added complexity for the data consumers who now have to process the boundary to determine maxspeed. secondarily, we still need to tag the ways in some manner (e.g. maxspeed=admin_default or something) so that it's clear that someone actually was paying attention, because otherwise (as i think Martin pointed out) the absence of the tag could mean two different things. richard -- rwe...@averillpark.net Averill Park Networking - GIS IT Consulting OpenStreetMap - PostgreSQL - Linux Java - Web Applications - Search signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[OSM-talk] initializing an apidb database
i'm trying to figure out the requirements for a properly set up apidb using the rails port. i have the rails port installed (with postgresql) on an ubuntu 14.04 instance in the EC2 cloud. i have an extract (made of state boundaries taken from TIGER 2013 data using ogr2osm) which i installed in the db using osmosis. since osmosis insisted on positive ids i flipped the sign on the extract before installing (using -read-xml and -write-apidb) i can use curl to fetch boundaries from the db using 0.6 api calls. but when i point a copy of JOSM at it and try to download, i get a message about an invalid changeset number of 0. what am i overlooking? obviously the db isn't quite right. thanks, richard -- rwe...@averillpark.net Averill Park Networking - GIS IT Consulting OpenStreetMap - PostgreSQL - Linux Java - Web Applications - Search signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[Talk-ca] Toronto event reminder
Hi all, As is our custom, monthly Mappy Hour events continue in Toronto. Join us tonight, or one night any month, to meet for conversation and camaraderie around OpenStreetMap. Newcomers, and visitors to Toronto are welcome! We started hosting monthly #maptime events recently, for discussion and self-study around web maps. As with Mappy Hour, newcomers are welcome. We keep our schedules here, http://www.meetup.com/OpenStreetMap-Toronto so you can have a look at any time. Best regards and happy mapping, Richard ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-GB] NCN279 Exeter to Okehampton: Secret Cycle Route?
Guy Collins wrote: NCN279 is now also part of the international Tour De Manche route, a route around Northern France and Southern England. Given the recent addition to the international cycle route I am surprised it is still not signed better (at all!). Will have to investigate when I next venture out that way. Cycle route surveying is probably the second most fun thing about OSM after pub surveying. :) Someone's added the Dartmoor (cycle-)Way to the map recently. I understand that the northern section of this is NCN 28 so have piggybacked on their survey to add the relevant sections to the route relation. With that in mind it does seem odd that there are apparently two separate NCN routes running due east of Okehampton (28 and 279), briefly rejoining at Sticklepath. But stranger things have happened... cheers Richard -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/NCN279-Exeter-to-Okehampton-Secret-Cycle-Route-tp5816853p5816873.html Sent from the Great Britain mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-us] Prima Facie Speed Limits
On 9/8/14 5:55 PM, Greg Morgan wrote: On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 2:27 PM, Tod Fitch t...@fitchdesign.com mailto:t...@fitchdesign.com wrote: Thus far I've only applied the maxspeed tag to roads with a posted speed limit. But here in California most residential roads are not posted, instead there is a state wide prima facie limit: http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d11/vc22352.htm I wonder if 15 mph in a school zone and 25 mph in a residential area are some sort of federal standard? The source tag might be useful but not much different than other states. i doubt it. 30 mph residential is as common as 25 mph, and in my experience it's a statute of the local municipality that imposes the limit. the default speed limit in NYS for unposted roads is 55mph, irrespective of surface type. other states vary; there's a page in the OSM wiki about it. richard -- rwe...@averillpark.net Averill Park Networking - GIS IT Consulting OpenStreetMap - PostgreSQL - Linux Java - Web Applications - Search signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-GB] NCN 279 Exeter to Okehampton (and other destructions)
Guy Collins wrote: The cycle route from Exeter to Okehampton, formerly NCN 28 seems to have been removed in this change set: https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/15675074 It had the wrong route reference, it now being 279. I have added it once and will not be adding it back on to the map again I'm afraid. That's several hours of my life gone! There once was NCN signage on various points on the route although I've not noticed any recently. That's a different route to NCN 279. NCN 279 goes north of Dartmoor, whereas the previously-tagged NCN 28 went across it, via some old tramways IIRC. We discussed this in a thread starting at https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-gb/2013-April/014649.html and there was no evidence for the route over Dartmoor ever having existed other than as a one-time proposal. It appears to have been a mistake in the DfT data. cheers Richard -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/NCN-279-Exeter-to-Okehampton-and-other-destructions-tp5816800p5816823.html Sent from the Great Britain mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [OSM-talk] Own wikipage for every single speed limit??
On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 01:37:33PM +0200, Jochen Topf wrote: Redirect pages can have a bad effect, though. Taginfo will show if a wiki page exists for a key or tag. Taginfo can't know why there is a redirect. Is this a case where the redirect directs from a typo page to the real page or is this a case where, like in the maxspeed case, several pages for totally good tags have been rolled into one. So taginfo shows them all the same and might lead people into thinking the typo key is the real one, if they don't click through to the page. The problem behind this is that there is no way to mark the reason why there is a redirect. It could be old now discontinued name, or common misspelling, or this page would be basically a copy of this other one, so look there, or probably some other reasons. Redirects hide this information, that could be written down on the page instead. So I think redirects should be avoided. In particular, misspellings would be better handled by having a slightly fuzzy search (not sure how good MediaWiki is for that). in the case of obsolete pages I found a way to workaround the problem, place an obsolete, use XXX instead into the tag description - which is then nicely displayed by taginfo in the listing of values. However that only works for tag descriptions that were valid at some point in time and can't be used for typo or other kinds of redirects. Richard ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [Talk-us] Dirt Roads (formerly: Abandoned railway)
Greg Morgan wrote: It feels like the discussion is about fixing a routing problem when in reality you would exclude people that want to make it to Cleator Arizona or other recreational destinations. The people at the Cleator Bar and Yacht Club[4] would question your judgement that this a fictional place or that is not a meaningful destination. No, you misunderstand. No-one is going to entirely delete roads/tracks that exist in reality. The prevalent issues with backwoods TIGER are: a) highway=residential on roads/tracks that go nowhere near a residence b) highway=residential where no road/track exists of any sort c) no indication of surface type (bearing in mind that the rest of the developed world predominantly uses highway=residential for a paved road) How you solve these issues is your decision as the US community. If you want to keep highway=residential for the tracks that exist and add a surface= or tracktype= tag, you do that. Personally I would suggest that you use either highway=track or highway=unclassified and add a surface tag, but it ain't my country. The good thing about this discussion is that ideas are emerging about how to solve the problem, both in tagging and in resources. Distinguishing between gravel roads, forest tracks, suburban streets and non-existent things - all of which might currently be mapped as highway=residential - isn't excluding people who want to make it to Cleator, Arizona. Quite the opposite: a more accurate, clearer map, whether for rendering or routing, for truck drivers or car drivers or cyclists, makes it easier for people to get to Cleator, Arizona, and a thousand other places. Richard -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Re-Dirt-Roads-formerly-Abandoned-railway-tp5815986p5816758.html Sent from the USA mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-ca] Fwd: [OSM-talk] SOTM in Buenos Aires: Call for Papers
Oops. Don't know how this got missed. CfP Buenos Aires closes soon. Get your talk proposals in. -- Forwarded message -- From: Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org Date: Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 5:15 PM Subject: [OSM-talk] SOTM in Buenos Aires: Call for Papers To: Talk Openstreetmap t...@openstreetmap.org Hi, I just noticed that this mailing list hasn't had an announcement for that so even if I'm not involved with the conference (*) here's a reminder that you have another 10 days, until September 14th, to submit presentations for this year's international State of the Map conference in Buenos Aires. Details are here: http://stateofthemap.org/CfP Spread the word! Bye Frederik (*) other than being a participant, that is! -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33 ___ talk mailing list t...@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
[Talk-us] Fwd: [OSM-talk] SOTM in Buenos Aires: Call for Papers
Oops. Don't know how this got missed. CfP Buenos Aires closes soon. Get your talk proposals in. -- Forwarded message -- From: Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org Date: Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 5:15 PM Subject: [OSM-talk] SOTM in Buenos Aires: Call for Papers To: Talk Openstreetmap t...@openstreetmap.org Hi, I just noticed that this mailing list hasn't had an announcement for that so even if I'm not involved with the conference (*) here's a reminder that you have another 10 days, until September 14th, to submit presentations for this year's international State of the Map conference in Buenos Aires. Details are here: http://stateofthemap.org/CfP Spread the word! Bye Frederik (*) other than being a participant, that is! -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33 ___ talk mailing list t...@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-ca] Ottawa Openstreetmap Meetup This Month
Hi Folks, If you're in Ottawa or don't mind driving a bit, we're having our next meetup September 26th at 7pm. Details here [1]. Look forward to catching up with everyone:) Cheers, Richard [1] http://www.meetup.com/openstreetmap-ottawa/events/204478052/ -- Please note: I only check email a few times during business hours. Richard Burcher Twitter: @richardburcher Blog: www.richardburcher.com LinkedIn: http://linkd.in/richardburcher ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
[Talk-ca] Updating the Wiki Page for Ottawa and Ontario
Hi Folks, I've started to clean up the Ottawa wiki page [1]. I'd really like to use this space for the local community to learn, share and work together to improve our map. The page hasn't been touched since late 2013 (before I found it). My initial approach is one of keeping the older information; when I have more time or others want to jump in and review the older material we can figure out how best to work/reorganize it. For the moment I've been adding links and information that has come up at the monthly Ottawa meetups. I've also pointed the domain www.osmottawa.ca to point to the Ottawa wiki page. Was pointing the address to the GitHub hosted page we had set up initially to make it easier for folks to find us. If nothing else at this point, the shorter domain is so much easier to remember:) Longer term, I would love to figure out how we in Ontario could make better use of the Ontario wiki page [2]. These town/city focused sub pages are great and I'd love to really make use of them to improve our map! At this point I would love to start the discussion of how we can revamp the wiki pages, what's the best approach; how do we get more folks involved etc. Really looking forward to hearing back from you:) Cheers, Richard [1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Canada:Ontario:Ottawa [2] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Canada:Ontario -- Please note: I only check email a few times during business hours. Richard Burcher 613-799-4240 Twitter: @richardburcher Blog: www.richardburcher.com LinkedIn: http://linkd.in/richardburcher ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-us] Dirt Roads (formerly: Abandoned railway)
Richard Welty wrote: agreed. i have spent quite a lot of time in Iowa farming territory where the road grid consists mostly of high quality, well maintained gravel roads that are in regular, heavy use by farm equipment. i generally give these highway=unclassified, surface=gravel. Great to see this issue getting some airtime. Obviously it's entirely your choice nationally as to what tags you use, as long as they don't diverge too wildly from the rest of the world. Having a distinction between highway=track and highway=unclassified;surface=gravel is certainly one possibility. It doesn't really matter as long as there's agreement and a will to fix it. I think the other half of the equation, however, is actually getting this fixed across the country. At present it appears to be just a small number of mappers doing it in their areas; the US is a big place, and at the current rate it's not going to be fixed any time soon. Drive-by tools like MapRoulette are generally a good solution for systemic data quality problems, but in this case I think the problem's too big for that. What would help here? A Tasking Manager instance with defined areas (say, 10km x 10km, or counties, or...)? Anything else? cheers Richard -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Re-Dirt-Roads-formerly-Abandoned-railway-tp5815986p5816149.html Sent from the USA mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [OSM-talk] need advice for clever query or script
On Sat, Aug 30, 2014 at 02:09:34AM +0200, Imre Samu wrote: I have got one problem, some of the queries with most bridges do not load into JOSM. Josm says contacting the server and thats all. strange ... :( maybe timeout when generate JOSM data? my impression was that the problem was on the overpass website as it also generated a very strange shorturl for sharing. *#2. You can split the big query-s - to smaller ones ..* yes, thats what I was doing. Is actually nicer to edit in smaller batches and the problem is triggered only for the 3 or 4 most frequent contributors. *Other solution -Filter in JOSM* * JOSM File / Open location : http://www.overpass-api.de/api/xapi_meta?way[bridge=swing] * and after open the Filter menu ( Windows→Filter from the menu, or Alt+Shift+F from the keyboard) https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/JOSM/Search_function https://www.mapbox.com/blog/2012-08-15-using-filters-josm/ * and copy the query ( without the global keyword ( ..maybe... ) ) but I am not perfect in JOSM ... so if you find th correct JOSM filtering please share with me ... :) yes that also works, I actually use the Download from Overpass API with [timeout:600];way[bridge=swing];(._;;);out meta; and in JOSM use the plain search to select the subset that I want. bridge=swing and ( id:50483896 or id:51513287 or id:51831532 or id:52209220 or id:59430361 or id:88300946 or id:88863770 or id:99211716 ) Never looked at filters yet, it might be that they would hide the nodes? Richard ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [Talk-de] Anforderungen des API verletzt - Fehler
On Sun, Aug 31, 2014 at 10:17:07PM +0200, Andreas Schmidt wrote: hallo Liste, ich bin gerade in Brasilien am mappen. Da komme ich in Gegenden, wo noch kein Mapper war und zeichne u.a. lange Stra0en und noch längere Flüsse. Jetzt habe ich erstmals eine Meldung von JOSM, von der ich nicht weiß, was ich falsch gemacht habe und wie man es richtig macht: [Anforderungen des API verletzt] 2.089 Punkte in Linie 285966444 überschreitet die maximal erlaubte Anzahl von 2.000 Punkten. http://abload.de/img/osm2000c4qgq.png Ich kann die aktuelle JOSM-Sitzung nicht hochladen. :-( den Weg mit P splittten - sofern Du weißt welcher Weg der Verursacher ist. Nochwas.. Deutsche Fehlermeldungen sind zwar schön aber Englische sind sehr viel praktischer weil man sie viel besser googeln kann. Richard ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-GB] UK use of highway=living_street
Block paving is very common for residential streets in the Netherlands, so that's not really enough to distinguish a living_street. I'd keep highway=living_street for (at minimum) single surface, no clear distinction between where cars and pedestrians go, and no clear straight route for cars. On Sun, Aug 31, 2014 at 8:22 PM, Dan S danstowell+...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, By coincidence, I've just got home from mapping a home zone signposted area - first time I've seen one. I'm tagging it as living_street. Here it is: http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/4004201 I would say do not use the tag just because of seeing block paving on the street. As far as I'm aware, there's no rule that motorists have any obligation to interpret block paving in a particular way. In practice, I guess it does influence them, but as a nudge not a rule, so it seems to me that highway=residential and surface=paving_stones (as you suggest, Rob) is a good fit for the merely block-paved. Best Dan 2014-08-31 19:56 GMT+01:00 Amaroussi-OSM kurias...@gmail.com: As far as I know for minor roads, I always default to using unclassified or residential (depending on the surrounding area’s predominant land use). I only use “Pedestrian” where such sign exists, and “Living streets” for actual home zones with “home zone” signs, if I ever found one. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-us] Dirt Roads (formerly: Abandoned railway)
On 8/31/14 1:03 PM, Tod Fitch wrote: +1 to this. While mapping areas near my folks where I grew up there are lots of dirt roads and there are lots of tracks and they are different. In that area, in my opinion, a dirt road will have regular maintenance sufficient for passage by a family car and, generally but not always, be wide enough for two vehicles to pass each other in all places. A track will typically be unmaintained and only be wide enough for one vehicle (though on a satellite view it could be tough to tell width as often they appear wider when people extend the width to get around wash outs or rough spots). agreed. i have spent quite a lot of time in Iowa farming territory where the road grid consists mostly of high quality, well maintained gravel roads that are in regular, heavy use by farm equipment. i generally give these highway=unclassified, surface=gravel. richard -- rwe...@averillpark.net Averill Park Networking - GIS IT Consulting OpenStreetMap - PostgreSQL - Linux Java - Web Applications - Search signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Abandoned railway
Russ Nelson wrote: I fear that the deletionism infection has jumped from Wikipedia to OpenStreetMap. ...is exactly what I was going to say. Seriously, OSM in the US, outside a few cities, is still way beyond broken. You can open it at any random location and the map is just fictional. (I did, just now: http://www.osm.org/edit#map=13/36.1938/-103.6446 . Half of those roads don't exist at all, and the other half are barely roads, certainly not residential ones as tagged.) Why would you (contentiously) delete railway=abandoned for an actual abandoned railway trackbed when the map has thousands, millions, of fictional or entirely mistagged roads and tracks? I know it's a long-standing OSM joke, but at this rate we _are_ going to have to import some Germans to the US, because it looks like the only way the map will ever get fixed. cheers Richard -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Abandoned-railway-tp5815752p5815879.html Sent from the USA mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Abandoned railway
Mike N. wrote: Landing on the high plains desert in the west does not make a good case that OSM in the US is broken. Desert imagery cues do not match those of conventional climates. I really wish I could agree with you, Mike, but my experience is that ~75% of the US landmass is like that. I just randomly alighted on somewhere in Texas. It's the same story. 'highway=residential's that don't exist or are, at best, very faint farm tracks at the edge of a field. The majority of the roads I click on just aren't there. Now looking at somewhere random in Missouri. It's better - the geometries are reasonably well lined up with the imagery. I'd say that around two-thirds of the roads I'm clicking on are actually roads, and perhaps just one-third are faint tracks or just non-existent. The US community (and, dare I mention it, the late NE2) has done really well cleaning up the major road data. If you're going from somewhere biggish to somewhere biggish in a car, the routing will generally be good. I can happily get OSRM to route from town to town and it works fine. But that's not a map, that's a sparse routing graph. If I pick a random highway=residential anywhere in the US, I have no confidence that it'll be drivable in an average car or cyclable on an average bike. I certainly couldn't expect it to be a road principally for residential access, in the way that the rest of the world uses highway=residential. And that's without going into nice-to-haves like rivers and woodland and so on. I don't think people realise quite how far behind OSM is in the US (the biggest cities aside) compared to Western Europe. I can look anywhere in the Highlands of Scotland, or barely-inhabited Mid-Wales, and OSM will be right. Sure, some of the rarer footpaths might be missing and the stream geometry might be a bit skewiff, but most information will be there, and what's there will be correct. Similarly, la France profonde has come on in leaps and bounds over the last couple of years. I don't need to tell you about Germany. :) Fixing the rural US is eminently achievable, and achievable right now. A Tasking Manager instance, for a clearly defined project, would be great. I think you'd get the armchair mappers of the world rallying to the task. If you wanted to widen participation, you could probably build a MapRoulette-on-steroids that provided a fast retagging UI within the browser, with no need to fire up an editor. Or whatever. But we can't get to OSM's 20th birthday and still have the same problem. It needs to be fixed sooner or later, and my sense is that, at the current rate of progress, it will be later - probably not within the next ten years. Let's decide to make it sooner instead. cheers Richard -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Abandoned-railway-tp5815752p5815918.html Sent from the USA mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [OSM-talk] need advice for clever query or script
On Fri, Aug 29, 2014 at 02:22:10PM +0200, Imre Samu wrote:
Hi Imre,
thousands thanks - everything seems to work perfectly as described.
one question - if I would want to compile osmium myself the README says
that no files need to be build and doesn't say where osmium comes from?
Richard
clever query or script
maybe you can use OSM OPL format this ad-hoc query,
and process the data with sed, awk, grep .
my draft ubuntu script - with comments.
https://gist.github.com/ImreSamu/be49fd1ce511975325d2#file-bridge_swing-sh
result ( Overpass-Wizard Query - but you can export the data to JOSM )
https://gist.github.com/ImreSamu/a2dd0a8c25f0fea5284c#file-bridge_swing_overpass_wizard-md
the example result - Overpass-Wizard Query :
type:way and ( id:28134411 or id:29295367 or id:30178341 or id:30178382 or
id:33132931 or id:33132936 or id:33132949 ) global
( http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Overpass_turbo/Wizard - see
Meta-Data Filters )
*How to check the query *
** go http://overpass-turbo.eu/ http://overpass-turbo.eu/ *
** select Wizard*
* * copy /paste the generated query : type:way and ( id:27001207 or
id:72584563 ) global*
* * Build and run query - and check the result.*
* * if you got timeout error, then check the generated script timeout (
osm-script output=json timeout=25 ) and set to 200 - and rerun *
** you can load data into an OSM editor: JOSM, - see Export menu *
From the OSM OPL history - very easy to grep the first contributor
# convert the osm history file to OPL ( *osmium cat w11323607.osh -f opl* )
# sample OSM History OPL file:
# w100646626 v1 dV c7343540 t2011-02-20T15:08:57Z i37137
uDerick%0020Rethans Tbridge=yes,highway=footway
Nn309461645,n1163494643
# w100646626 v2 dV c12447614 t2012-07-23T09:52:38Z i404175 urickogden
Tbridge=swing,highway=footway Nn309461645,n1163494643
# w100646626 v3 dV c18538313 t2013-10-25T16:16:57Z i24119 uMauls
Tbridge=swing,highway=footway Nn309461645,n2508499967
# w100646626 v4 dV c25024407 t2014-08-26T10:51:45Z i66391 ugeozeisig
Tbridge=movable,bridge:movable=swing,highway=footway
Nn309461645,n2508499967
# w100646626 v5 dV c25050883 t2014-08-27T12:42:02Z i66391 ugeozeisig
Tbridge=swing,highway=footway Nn309461645,n2508499967
#
# filter the results by the first contributor who added bridge=swing to the
way
# ( *egrep -m 1 '( T|,)bridge=swing'* )
#result: v2
# w100646626 v2 dV c12447614 t2012-07-23T09:52:38Z i404175 urickogden
Tbridge=swing,highway=footway Nn309461645,n1163494643
#
The OPL format - from the OSMIUM manual:
v - Version
d - Deleted flag ('V' - visible or 'D' - deleted)
c - Changeset ID
t - Timestamp (ISO Format)
i - User ID
u - Username
T - Tags
x - Longitude (nodes only)
y - Latitude (nodes only)
N - Nodes (ways only)
M - Members (relations only)
you can find other interesting examples in the OSMIUM manual
Find all users who have created post boxes:
egrep ' v1 ' data.osm.opl | egrep 'amenity=post_box' | cut -d' ' -f7 |
cut -c2- | sort -u
OSMIUM tool - and more examples :
http://osmcode.org/libosmium/manual/libosmium-manual.html#output-formats
https://www.sotm-eu.org/en/slots/36
https://www.sotm-eu.org/slides/44.pdf
Imre
2014-08-28 12:39 GMT+02:00 Richard Z. ricoz@gmail.com:
Hi,
trying to clean up bridge=swing as far as possible. There was at least
user in the past who used the combination systematically wrong, so I want
to split the result by user who introduced the bridge=swing.
To make things complicated - a few days ago one contributor did a well
meant effort to convert all
bridge=swing - bridge=movable+bridge:movable=swing
and reverted that edit because there were too many errors in it. Hence
doing a naive search for user doesn't work.
So I want to :
* find all bridge=swing
* split results by the first contributor who added bridge=swing
to the way
* get the results into JOSM for examination and editing
Tia for any hints,
Richard
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[OSM-talk] JOSM connection problems downloading/uploading data?
Hi, having frequent problems today, sometimes everything works and sometimes when downloading/uploading data JOSM says Failed to upload data to or download data from 'https://api.openstreetmap.org/api/' due to a problem with transferring data. Details (untranslated): java.lang.RuntimeException: Could not generate DH keypair The network connection seems fine, background imagery is laoded fine - is anyone else seeing this?? Richard ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] JOSM connection problems downloading/uploading data?
On Fri, Aug 29, 2014 at 03:08:31PM +0100, Tom Hughes wrote: On 29/08/14 15:01, Richard Z. wrote: having frequent problems today, sometimes everything works and sometimes when downloading/uploading data JOSM says Failed to upload data to or download data from 'https://api.openstreetmap.org/api/' due to a problem with transferring data. Details (untranslated): java.lang.RuntimeException: Could not generate DH keypair Thank you - that explains a lot. You're the first person to provide the actual error details and it explains why the temporary fix I managed to come up with accidentally has solved the problem. still the same problem here though. Additionally, when launching JOSM it says JOSM tried to access the following resources: https://api.openstreetmap.org/api/capabilities but failed to do so, because of the following network errors: java.security.InvalidAlgorithmParameterException: Prime size must be multiple of 64, and can only range from 512 to 1024 (inclusive) It may be due to a missing proxy configuration. Would you like to change your proxy settings now? Richard ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] JOSM connection problems downloading/uploading data?
On Fri, Aug 29, 2014 at 03:25:02PM +0100, Tom Hughes wrote: On 29/08/14 15:20, Jean-Marc Liotier wrote: On 29/08/2014 16:14, Tom Hughes wrote: On 29/08/14 15:08, Tom Hughes wrote: On 29/08/14 15:01, Richard Z. wrote: Failed to upload data to or download data from 'https://api.openstreetmap.org/api/' due to a problem with transferring data. Details (untranslated): java.lang.RuntimeException: Could not generate DH keypair It looks like you are hitting this: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/current/ssl/ssl_faq.html#javadh Which fits with us upgrading the servers today. So is there a client-side workaround or should we just wait for an api.openstreetmap.org fix ? Well the FAQ isn't very helpful, but it seems that there is no client side fix (other than upgrading to Java 7 or later). the FAQ actually says Java 7 and earlier limit their support for DH prime sizes to a maximum of 1024 bits ..not sure if there is any Java version at all that would do it and work together with JOSM. Richard ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] need advice for clever query or script
On Fri, Aug 29, 2014 at 04:12:08PM +0200, Imre Samu wrote: if I would want to compile osmium myself the README says that no files need to be build and doesn't say where osmium comes from? I have used the code and instructions from this 2 repo https://github.com/osmcode/libosmium ( osmium library ) https://github.com/osmcode/osmium-tool ( osmium command line tool ) ok, the https://github.com/osmcode/osmium-tool was the missing link. if you have a some problems with the installation, then I can create a Docker Container ( www.docker.com ) for you. hopefully not necessary.. I do not need it quickly and if I will do it will try to create all the RPM specfiles. Richard ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] JOSM connection problems downloading/uploading data?
On Fri, Aug 29, 2014 at 04:39:27PM +0200, Jean-Marc Liotier wrote: On 29/08/2014 16:32, Richard Z. wrote: On Fri, Aug 29, 2014 at 03:25:02PM +0100, Tom Hughes wrote: On 29/08/14 15:20, Jean-Marc Liotier wrote: On 29/08/2014 16:14, Tom Hughes wrote: On 29/08/14 15:08, Tom Hughes wrote: On 29/08/14 15:01, Richard Z. wrote: Failed to upload data to or download data from 'https://api.openstreetmap.org/api/' due to a problem with transferring data. Details (untranslated): java.lang.RuntimeException: Could not generate DH keypair it seems that there is no client side fix (other than upgrading to Java 7 or later). Ok - upgrading to Java 7 fixed the problem for me, thanks ! Well - it is not like JOSM had not been warning me for ages that staying with Java 6 was going to cause problems... I have neither Java 6 nor 7 but java-1.7.0-openjdk. Latest JOSM is happy with it so I assumed it is pretty much Java 7 but maybe there are differences between various Java 7 versions and only some of them support the longer keys - which would explain the discrepancies between the FAQ and what various people are seeing. Richard ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] need advice for clever query or script
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[OSM-talk] Own wikipage for every single speed limit??
Hi, noticed that there is https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Tag:maxspeed%3D20redirect=no and a few more speeds - does it make any sense to have such pages around? Richard ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] need advice for clever query or script
Hi, trying to clean up bridge=swing as far as possible. There was at least user in the past who used the combination systematically wrong, so I want to split the result by user who introduced the bridge=swing. To make things complicated - a few days ago one contributor did a well meant effort to convert all bridge=swing - bridge=movable+bridge:movable=swing and reverted that edit because there were too many errors in it. Hence doing a naive search for user doesn't work. So I want to : * find all bridge=swing * split results by the first contributor who added bridge=swing to the way * get the results into JOSM for examination and editing Tia for any hints, Richard ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [Talk-at] Brücken
On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 03:04:37PM +0200, Robert Kaiser wrote: Friedrich Volkmann schrieb: Kann sein, dass die Liste auch Zeilen enthält, wo es sich um keine richtigen Brücken handelt, aber die komischen Namen müssen nicht unbedingt falsch sein... Ich finde trotzdem nicht, dass sie wirklich als Namen im Sinne des name= Tags zu sehen sind. Aber das ganze bringt sowieso wieder die OSM-Problematik hoch, dass Brücken keine separaten Objekte sind und daher kein separates name-Tag haben. IMHO ist es schlichtweg falsch, den namen der Straße für das Brückenstück auf den Brückennamen zu ändern, da die Straße trotzdem den Straßennamen hat, nur zusätzlich über die Brücke mit dem Brückennamen führt. Dadurch, dass die Brücken aber keine eigenen Objekte sind, haben wir keinen wirklich geeigenten Platz, wo wir den Brückennamen hinschreiben können (und auch keine ordentlichen Bündelung von mehreren Wegen/Objekten, die auf/an einer Brücke sind). es gibt das bridge:name proposal, wird soweit ich sehe häufig verwendet. Auch man_made=bridge ist dafür geeignet. Richard ___ Talk-at mailing list Talk-at@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-at
Re: [OSM-talk] New mapping satellite
On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 03:14:32PM -0700, Kevin Bullock wrote: With our partnership with Mapbox, the OSM community will start seeing this imagery through the Mapbox satellite layer; this will be of huge value for mapping new areas and updating OSM. just looking at the Seychelles, anything in the tube here? Richard ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] online survey about the OSM community
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Re: [Talk-transit] Information board details in bus stops
They get called a bus cage (because of the marking design) or more officially Bus Stop Clearway (ie somewhere where you can't load/park) in the UK. road_markings=yes might be more appropriate On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 4:11 PM, Jo winfi...@gmail.com wrote: In Belgium the letters B U S are painted on the asphalt. Hence we wouldn't call that strip, markings maybe. Jo On Aug 21, 2014 5:08 PM, Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 4:52 PM, Jo winfi...@gmail.com wrote: On talk-be we were wondering what strip means. Good question. I guess it is the yellow lines marking the stop on the asphalt itself. But I'm not sure. I'll ask the contributor and forward his answer here. Pieren ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit
[OSM-talk] Rails port configuration question
is there any documentation for config/application.yml beyond the internal comments? i can guess what i need to change in order to get it to point at a local tile service, but it'd be nice to have a few more details to reduce the guessing. thanks, richard -- rwe...@averillpark.net Averill Park Networking - GIS IT Consulting OpenStreetMap - PostgreSQL - Linux Java - Web Applications - Search ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Rails port configuration question
On 8/19/14 5:30 PM, Tom Hughes wrote: On 19/08/14 22:10, Richard Welty wrote: is there any documentation for config/application.yml beyond the internal comments? i can guess what i need to change in order to get it to point at a local tile service, but it'd be nice to have a few more details to reduce the guessing. Well nothing in config/application.yml is going to change what tiles you see, so if that's what you want to change then you're looking in the wrong place. ok, i suppose that's helpful. where should i look, then? i have found no documentation telling me where these settings are, just a comment that by default it uses osm tiles. richard -- rwe...@averillpark.net Averill Park Networking - GIS IT Consulting OpenStreetMap - PostgreSQL - Linux Java - Web Applications - Search ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] extracts for historical views at a specific point in time
thanks for the replies everyone, that all pretty much covered what i needed to know. richard -- rwe...@averillpark.net Averill Park Networking - GIS IT Consulting OpenStreetMap - PostgreSQL - Linux Java - Web Applications - Search signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] extracts for historical views at a specific point in time
i have a need to be able to generate mapnik tiles for part of NY State to show what the OSM view of it looked like maybe 2 years ago. is there a documented process for pulling an extract like that? thanks, richard -- rwe...@averillpark.net Averill Park Networking - GIS IT Consulting OpenStreetMap - PostgreSQL - Linux Java - Web Applications - Search signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [Talk-GB] Tagging of British canals.
Hi Richard, I am working my way around the canals of Britain, tracing the canal banks and tidying up locks etc. Your work is really welcome and as someone with a particular interest in the British canals I'm glad to see it taking place. In terms of playing nice with the OSM community, rather than just using OSM as your own personal data store, there are two points I'd like to emphasise: 1. If you find yourself extensively changing existing work, or doing things differently from what you've seen other mappers do, take a minute to reflect. That work is very probably how it is for a reason (for example, the towpaths with highway=cycleway which we corresponded about earlier). You might not be aware of that reason, or you might be aware but disagree with it. In either case, you should take the time to talk to the community and find out why the consensus has formed the way it has. 2. Changeset comments. Be descriptive. Your edits are generally great but, to be (over?) frank, your changeset comments really aren't. editing canals and related structures isn't very helpful - it's pretty much I did some work. Better examples would be: Tracing waterway outline, north Stratford Canal Rationalising lock tagging around Birmingham Adding lock names on River Thames It's not just that it's useful per se - it also demonstrates good faith in your interaction with other mappers. None of us are perfect on this issue, me included, but resorting to a default comment is pretty much always a bad idea. In general, talking to the community is always useful. It magnifies the effect of your work, because others can share their experience with you and vice versa. For example, if you say I'm mapping CRT boater facilities, I'd like to ask a few questions, others will read up on the consensus and before long all such facilities will be mapped in the same way. If you say I'm mapping towpaths, someone will come along and say Great! If you can add connections at bridges to roads, that'll make them routable!. And so on. Don't be fooled by the siren voices of the wiki. What's in the database is valid because it's formed by consensus. What's on the wiki too often isn't. Any fool can invent their own scheme, write this is how you do it on the wiki, and most of them do. Wiki users have rationalised their behaviour by promoting a voting scheme, but as this can lead to major changes being approved by just a handful of people, it doesn't have any particular legitimacy. And thanks again for helping improve canal data. :) cheers Richard -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Tagging-of-British-canals-tp5813876p5814339.html Sent from the Great Britain mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-us] Quest for foolish consistency
On 8/9/14 12:25 PM, Tod Fitch wrote: While visiting some relatives in a small town (actually only really a CDP but there is a post office and the county maintains a court house and sheriffs station here) I have been doing morning walks to collect address data and to verify street names per the county placed signage. The Tiger data, including the 2013 overlay, list all streets with cardinal prefixes (e.g. North Estill Drive) while none of the signs do that (e.g. Estill Drive). So I have been removing the North, East, etc. prefixes from the names so that OSM matches the signs posted on the ground. Most of the streets are short enough that there is no issue with them crossing to a different cardinal location. However the main east-west road, signed for the whole length as American Ave has numbers for both East American Avenue and West American Avenue. I think I know where the east-west dividing line is based on the numbering but there is no indication based on the street signs. What I have been doing is: For streets that only have one cardinal value, remove that so it matches the actual signs. For streets that have both a north and south segment or an east and west segment, leaving the prefix on the name even though it does not match the actual signs. Does this seem reasonable? yes. you might want to put the version on the sign in short_name richard -- rwe...@averillpark.net Averill Park Networking - GIS IT Consulting OpenStreetMap - PostgreSQL - Linux Java - Web Applications - Search signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-ca] Ottawa Mapping Party Friday August 22 @ 1900hr
Hi Folks, Come join us if you're nearby or don't mind driving. Our next mapping party is Friday August 22 @ 1900hr in Westboro. Please see [1] for more details. We'll be doing some local mapping and a quick demo/intro of a web map app using MapBox + TileMill. May even throw in some overpass turbo stuff. We had 10 mappers at the last one (absolute blast), lets break that number! Look forward to seeing you all there. Cheers, Richard [1] www.osmottawa.ca -- Please note: I only check email a few times during business hours. Richard Burcher Twitter: @richardburcher Blog: www.richardburcher.com LinkedIn: http://linkd.in/richardburcher ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
[Talk-GB] Tagging of British canals.
Firstly a disclaimer, I am mostly an armchair mapper. I am working my way around the canals of Britain, tracing the canal banks and tidying up locks etc. (I have probably seen a dozen different ways that locks have been tagged.) I started off tagging the canal banks as waterway=canal+area=yes but it was pointed out to me by another mapper that this was confusing renderers and was pointed to the Wiki entry that suggested they should be tagged as natural=water+water=canal I therefore changed my existing tagging to reflect this and tagged my subsequent tracing this way. I have come across a few areas that have been traced by others (Mostly a long time ago and IMHO very poorly) that have been tagged as waterway=riverbank and I have changed these as I have realigned them. Today I have had a critical message from another mapper who said among other things, Wide-ranging changes to existing tagging schemes, just because you read a Wiki page is not good enough. I have two problems with this sentence, 1/ My CHANGES have not been what I would consider wide ranging as most of the mapping has been done by myself therefore new not changed. 2/ If the reading of a Wiki page is not good enough then why bother having a wiki? Do we have to resort to the mailing list every time we want to tag something? If there is an accepted way to map canals can someone point me to it? -- Richard. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] City names translation
This thread is already too long (though Fred's contribution was a classic). If people want to add transliterations (or genuinely different names) by hand, then let them. As long as no-one starts doing mass automated transliterations, then it doesn't matter very much. Richard (M) On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 12:00 PM, Pavlo Dudka pavlo.du...@gmail.com wrote: I assert that it is much better to use a single service, because it is easier to add 100 osm-tags than implement communication with external data sources. Nominatim use osm-data, it should not(and I hope will never) use any other data from Wikidata or other projects. Mapnik allows to process .osm data without using any external data sources. There is also nice project Multilingual Map created as part of Multilingual maps wikipedia project( http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Multilingual_maps_wikipedia_project). Can any of this services be easily modified to use Wikidata? No. I don't ask anyone to waste his time to modify UK place-nodes. That's how I want to spend my own time. But I want to be sure that SomeoneElse_Revert or someone else will not revert my changes. OSM-community tries to avoid any imports. I would like to check all cities one by one. I will check its spelling in ukrainian spelling dictionary, wikipedia, web articles. Note, half of UK cities don't have any reference to Wikipedia. http://overpass-turbo.eu/?Q=node[%22is_in:country%22=%22United%20Kingdom%22][%22place%22=%22city%22][%22wikipedia%22!~%22.*%22];out%3BR I can fill them too while adding name:uk=*. 2014-08-05 12:42 GMT+03:00 Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk: Not, it is not a job for external services. It is much better to use single service(OSM) rather than multiple(OSM+Wikidata). OpenStreetMap supports multiple names - let's use it. If you don't like someone use some tags - just ignore those tags. You assert that it is much better to sue a dingle service, rather than using linked open data as it is meant to be used; but you present no argument for that assertion. It is ot a case of not liking some tags, but of not wanting to squander vouneteer hours repeating work that has already been done - effectively and better - elsewhere. Even were your assertion true, the data is, in many cases, already in Wikidata and freely available for import. -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] A431 toll road
More info at http://www.bathnes.gov.uk/services/streets-and-highway-maintenance/roadworks/major-transport-schemes/a431-kelston-road-council - The Council has no details to confirm the toll road design meets safety standards and no evidence that insurances are in place for any member of the public who use the private toll road. Richard Symonds Wikimedia UK 0207 065 0992 Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). *Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.* On 4 August 2014 12:21, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote: On 4 August 2014 12:11, Andy Robinson ajrli...@gmail.com wrote: Have the Bath Bristol folks picked up on this one? http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/Toll-road-field-gets-drivers-A431-closure/story -22064579-detail/story.html tag: legality=none insurance_validity=dubious -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] A431 toll road
Temporary roads need planning permission - and although I'm not sure about this, I imagine it would need public liability insurance etc too. Richard Symonds Wikimedia UK 0207 065 0992 Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). *Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.* On 4 August 2014 12:29, Colin Smale colin.sm...@xs4all.nl wrote: why should it be illegal? On 2014-08-04 13:21, Andy Mabbett wrote: On 4 August 2014 12:11, Andy Robinson ajrli...@gmail.com wrote: Have the Bath Bristol folks picked up on this one? http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/Toll-road-field-gets-drivers-A431-closure/story -22064579-detail/story.html tag: legality=none insurance_validity=dubious ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] City names translation
Andrew Hain wrote: It was only put in recently and I personally find it unhelpful. Would anyone object to removing it? Yes. Richard -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/City-names-translation-tp5813645p5813705.html Sent from the Great Britain mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Updated geocoding community guideline proposal
Admin note: nominally I'm administrator of the legal-talk@ list. In practice the only international OSM list to ever have been announced as moderated is talk@, and I think locally talk-us@ may be moderated as well. Merely administered is a much more light-touch approach and generally works well enough. However, Mikel's posting raises an important meta issue which as administrator I'd like to clarify: Mikel Maron wrote: * How is the composition of the Legal Working Group formed? * Is anyone on the LWG able to sit in judgement? * Does the LWG itself consult with legal counsel when trying cases? Are there any lawyers on the LWG? * How is the spirit of the license determined? Is this the consensus opinion of the LWG? Voted opinion of the Board? Polled opinion of OSMF members? * How are the broad range of opinions regarding intention of the ODbL balanced within the spirit of the license? * The OSMF itself has repeated asked lawyers to help us reach a desired outcome over the years, the result of which was the ODbL. Why did the OSMF have a desired outcome previously, but no longer has one regarding Geocoding? * Do the OSMF officers in this discussion have a desired outcome regarding Geocoding, and does that prejudice their judgement when trying this use case? * How can we manage conflict of interest in the process of deciding on ODbL use cases? There are 12 questions here, and they appear to be principally addressed to the volunteers who give their time to LWG in particular and the wider OSMF. Mailing lists are open forums. By definition, list messages (unlike private mail) are addressed to all the members of the list, not to a small subset of that. Demanding answers from a small number of people to 12 rather involved questions is not the purpose of a public mailing list. As list admin, I am not very comfortable with the notion of using this public list as a direct communication channel to OSMF rather than a general forum for discussion of legal/licensing issues. If such a list exists then it's osmf-talk; I will leave the discussion of that to whoever might be osmf-talk admin. It is not, however, the purpose of legal-talk, and as admin I certainly didn't volunteer to run a talk to OSMF communication channel (not least because I'm not even an OSMF member these days ;) ). With my list admin hat off, but taking the opportunity to make a wider etiquette point, I would gently remind people that OSM and OSMF are created and run by volunteers; volunteers' time and motivation are finite resources; and it is kinder to be proportionate in your demands on these volunteers. Do question, probe, discuss, but 12 questions at once is a bit Sybil Fawlty: Anything else, dear? I mean, would you like the hotel moved a bit to the left? cheers Richard -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/OSM-legal-talk-Updated-geocoding-community-guideline-proposal-tp5813533p5813560.html Sent from the Legal Talk mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [Talk-GB] NaPTAN (stop) import
Just my tuppence, since I used the Naptan stop data to make a printed map. Electronic version here: http://www.transportparadise.co.uk/busmap/ My memory is that I corrected a lot of minor positional errors, and the occasional name/bearing. I had to add in a few stops that weren't in Naptan. I wouldn't want to lose these changes, but I'd quite like to fill in stuff from Naptan that has been updated/corrected. Perhaps we need a viewer that does comparisons both ways, so both sides can accept changes from the other side if they look better. I created almost all the route relations from scratch (which was painful, but would probably have been easier if I'd used the german editor). Anyway, it basically only has to be done once, and needs human review, so I'd probably recommend doing them by hand, rather than attempting to generate them automatically from a timetable. I used service to distinguish between city/country/express services. I put frequency on the route relation (ie typical off-peak weekday per-hour frequency), such as this one: http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/143161 If it's less than once per hour I put journeys (ie per weekday) on the route relation. Sometimes I put journeys on stops (as a flag for not rendering them). The frequencies can be summed/combined for particular ways, if required. I had to bodge that a bit for my map, but I'll probably do it properly when (if) I update it, since Maperitive now has a python capability. Richard On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 4:37 PM, Stuart Reynolds stu...@travelinesoutheast.org.uk wrote: The TNDS data isn’t going to be based on what is already in OSM, if I’ve understood you correctly Oliver. Rather, in our bit, we import the GIS, route on it using proprietary (to our contractor) routing engines and manually adjust where appropriate, and then we can export the track coordinates as OSGR into the TNDS data. I haven’t looked at the service tags in any detail, so what I’m about to say may well be there already. But if we want to represent the complexity then we either have to capture the individual departures at a stop or, more likely, try and represent the frequency/regularity of a service on a link. Then renderers could show dotted/thin lines, or put the service number in different colours for infrequent services. Of course, there are plenty of issues around that as well! Stuart *From:* Shaun McDonald [mailto:sh...@shaunmcdonald.me.uk] *Sent:* 01 August 2014 3:57 PM *To:* Oliver Jowett *Cc:* Stuart Reynolds; Talk GB *Subject:* Re: [Talk-GB] NaPTAN (stop) import I see it as being better to put the right hints into the OSM data and the routing algorithm so that they can be automatically chosen from the TNDS data, rather than having the data in OSM, which is hard to represent some complexities such as a few journeys go via a school, some are part route, etc Shaun On 1 Aug 2014, at 15:32, Oliver Jowett oliver.jow...@gmail.com wrote: Right - I was just trying to understand which was the canonical source. One of the things I've been wanting to try (but never have the time) is repair the OSM bus route relations based on the TNDS schedule info - which sounds very much like your track-finding system. But that gets dangerous if TNDS is indirectly pulling data from OSM itself.. Oliver On 1 August 2014 14:20, Stuart Reynolds stu...@travelinesoutheast.org.uk wrote: Oliver, TNDS data (Traveline National Data Set, for other’s benefit - national set of bus coach timetables) does not currently have the route detail - known in TransXChange as tracks. This is because up to now there have been issues of IPR with OSGR coordinates derived from OS and/or Navteq data. Certainly from our point of view - and by “us” I mean the traveline regions of South East, London, East Anglia, South West, East Midlands and (shortly) West Midlands - we are all now on a merged system using OSM data so those problems have gone away. But I still won’t be exporting Tracks until TNDS asks me to. Even then, it still has the issues of “is this right”. Most of the time it is, but we do get some routes which find a shorter path along a back street rather than down the main road. Cheers Stuart *From:* Oliver Jowett [mailto:oliver.jow...@gmail.com] *Sent:* 01 August 2014 1:51 PM *To:* Stuart Reynolds *Cc:* Talk GB *Subject:* Re: [Talk-GB] NaPTAN (stop) import On 1 August 2014 11:17, Stuart Reynolds stu...@travelinesoutheast.org.uk wrote: In terms of bus routes, we also compute the most likely route between stops, and could use that to update the services on each link. But that is a whole different ball game - we have to make sure our data is good quality, and I will need to think what to do when a bus turns off halfway along a road that is mapped as one line, for example, - and I’m not about to get into that for now! Although I would like to, eventually! Where does TNDS fit
[Talk-us] strange dead link in wiki.openstreetmap.org
in the row for the United States in this table on admin boundaries: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:boundary%3Dadministrative#10_admin_level_values_for_specific_countries there is a dead wikipedia link in the column for admin level 5, Brillant com la purpurina cities http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brillant_com_la_purpurina_city#United_States. i'm not getting anything meaningful out of google to explain this, and am reluctant to mess with it because i don't know what it's about. hopefully someone here is knowledgable enough to fix this properly. thanks, richard -- rwe...@averillpark.net Averill Park Networking - GIS IT Consulting OpenStreetMap - PostgreSQL - Linux Java - Web Applications - Search signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-ca] Coastline or not coastline
Regarding the remote mappers who are blindly editing local mapper tagging conventions on the St. Lawrence River. In addition to notifying DWG, be sure to also inform the remote mappers. I recognize those two IDs and think they are both a long way from Canada, and thus unlikely to be monitoring talk-ca@. Let the remote mappers know that local mappers are maintaining those river areas, and their repeated changes are unexpected, add no merit, and may be considered an edit war. Best regards and happy mapping, Richard ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-GB] New mapper has imported all Nottingham street lights
I know this may be a silly question, but why revert if it adds to the map? It runs the risk of alienating a new contributor... I'm not au fait with community rules and would appreciate someone teaching me why we do this :-) Richard Symonds Wikimedia UK 0207 065 0992 Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). *Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.* On 29 July 2014 21:51, SK53 sk53@gmail.com wrote: Don't need to say much more, other than it's an undiscussed import and if we'd thought it would be useful could have done it anytime in the past 18 months. Changeset is : https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/24412110 Will plan to revert in 1 days time if no further action by the mapper. Jerry ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
[Talk-us] Lafayette LA mappers? address import?
Hello Mappers, Do we have active mappers (with an interest) in / near Lafayette, LA?[1] How do you feel about address data for that area? Would you participate in improving that data? Would you like to lead that effort? More details, and all follow-ups please, to imports@ and imports-us@. I've been given ~100k address points for Lafayette LA, along with license permission for inclusion in OpenStreetMap under CT/ODbL and future licenses. The publisher requires a don't blame us waiver that we may include in the wiki. :-) A quick scan of the central area of Lafayette shows approximately 14 addresses that include addr:housenumber=*. A very quick preliminary scan of the data reveals: - addresses are ALL CAPS and need expansion of RD, ST, ETC. - addresses are points and appear to be approximate building centers. There are exceptions. There are address points on what might be a main portion of a building. - there is at least one address point on the pitcher's mound of a ball diamond, and not on the club house building. - address points seem sensible based on existing road rendering and aerial imagery, for the area I looked at. So, if you are interested (and especially if you have local knowledge), please follow and participate on imports@ and imports-us@. Best regards and happy mapping, Richard [1] I'll ping those that I see in the user map as well. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-ca] Friday night mapping party to help map Lesotho
Hi Folks, If you're in the Ottawa area, come on out this Friday night to help us with the world wide mapping party [1] to help map Lesotho [2] in Africa. We've scheduled another mapping party because we had some issues with iD crashing at our weekend mapping party for Lesotho. Hope to see you all there! Cheers, Richard [1] osmottawa.ca [2] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Lesotho_Mapathon -- Please note: I only check email a few times during business hours. Richard Burcher Twitter: @richardburcher Blog: www.richardburcher.com LinkedIn: http://linkd.in/richardburcher ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
[OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Foundation Corporate Members
Since February 2014 your company can support OpenStreetMap Foundation with a corporate membership. The first corporate members were announced today. https://blog.openstreetmap.org/2014/07/20/welcome-corporate-members/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[Talk-ca] OpenStreetMap Foundation Corporate Members
Since February 2014 your company can support OpenStreetMap Foundation with a corporate membership. The first corporate members were announced today. https://blog.openstreetmap.org/2014/07/20/welcome-corporate-members/ ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
[Talk-us] OpenStreetMap Foundation Corporate Membership
Since February 2014 your company can support OpenStreetMap Foundation with a corporate membership. The first corporate members were announced today. https://blog.openstreetmap.org/2014/07/20/welcome-corporate-members/ ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [OSM-talk] cycle.travel bike routing for Western Europe
I'm pleased to report that http://cycle.travel/map now defaults to kilometres for European routes. :) cheers Richard -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/cycle-travel-bike-routing-for-Western-Europe-tp5811759p5811927.html Sent from the General Discussion mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] cycle.travel bike routing for Western Europe
Hi all, I'm really pleased to announce that http://cycle.travel/ now has OSM-based cycle routing for Western Europe: France, the Netherlands, Belgium, Germany, Denmark, Czech Republic, Slovenia, Austria, Italy, Spain, Portugal, the UK and Ireland. You can try it here: http://cycle.travel/map and if you log in, you can save/share your planned routes (and change your user preferences from miles to km ). It's built with (patched) OSRM and a complex custom profile. It takes account of elevation, cycle routes, surface quality and more. All routes are fully draggable and you can export to GPX, TCX, and PDF. The cartography is specially designed for the site. == Routing details == If it doesn't follow a route you'd expect it to take, this is usually because surface tags are missing. For example, at http://cycle.travel/map?lat=50.0181lon=2.0333zoom=15, the canalside path is tagged as 'highway=path' with no surface tags. cycle.travel assumes that paths in rural areas have poor quality surfaces, so will try not to route along them. Adding a 'surface=gravel' to this path, which the aerial imagery suggests, will make the router like it. (Access tags are also good.) == Miscellaneous notes == - The tileserver is a little slow - please be gentle! - There are occasional inconsistencies in the tiles - old styles that haven't refreshed yet. - You can't route between the UK and mainland Europe (there's a big lake in the way. Only Chris Froome is allowed to cycle through the tunnel and look how far it got him) - I'm planning on weekly updates but it'll be less often at first. - Known issue with highway=trunk, bicycle=yes getting undue prominence. - Known issue with fahrradstrassen/fietsstraten not being prioritised. Still lots to improve but I hope you like it - and, as ever, thanks to all the mappers who have contributed all the lovely data. You can post comments/bugs/suggestions at http://cycle.travel/forum/2 . cheers Richard ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] cycle.travel bike routing for Western Europe
Maarten Deen wrote: It's nice and fast! But it is not really apt in finding shortest or quickest routes. I entered my daily commute (from 51.3207,5.9888 to 51.5428,5.9827, permalink does not work properly) and it comes with a (for me new) route of 18.3 miles (=29.45 km) in 2:02. If I move the route to what I actually do, I get 17.9 miles and 1:59. And there are no paths or tracks in either route. The route it chooses has an off-road cycleway for more of the route (all the way to Eijkenhofweg) and then highway=unclassified (Steegse Peelweg), whereas the 17.9-mile route has more highway=tertiary (Loorban and Veulenseweg). In general cycle.travel prefers a balanced route using traffic-free and quiet roads, rather than just trying to find the shortest or quickest route along busier roads. Of course, it would be good if we tagged average motor traffic levels on roads. :) and if you log in, you can save/share your planned routes (and change your user preferences from miles to km ). Do you really have to create an account just for that? Miles is a very UK and US thing, it is not used anywhere on mainland europe. Can't you just use km when you plan a route on mainland europe or set a cookie? Oh absolutely, I just haven't had time to do that yet. cheers Richard -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/cycle-travel-bike-routing-for-Western-Europe-tp5811759p5811765.html Sent from the General Discussion mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] cycle.travel bike routing for Western Europe
Maarten Deen wrote: So, can't I just ask shortest or quickest road? As you say, the router has no idea about traffic levels. I mean, if a router can't give me either shortest or quickest, then I always think I get some random route that is not optimal in any aspect. Nope, it doesn't and won't do that I'm afraid. If you want the shortest, quickest route, which presupposes that you're happy cycling along busy main roads, this isn't the router for you. cycle.travel is designed for people who want a more leisurely and enjoyable ride. cheers Richard -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/cycle-travel-bike-routing-for-Western-Europe-tp5811759p5811790.html Sent from the General Discussion mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] cycle.travel bike routing for Western Europe
colliar wrote: 1. How are separate drawn cycleways next to roads handled ? It prefers cycleways to roads, so it'll usually route via the cycleways (assuming they're properly connected). 2. Neither traffic_light/crossing nor shape turns are evaluated. There's a routing penalty for traffic lights. Not sure what you mean by shape turns - can you explain? 3. I would like to show you some examples but I did not find any link/shortlink feature. Are gpx tracks any help ? You can log into the site and save routes that way - that's probably the best way! cheers Richard -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/cycle-travel-bike-routing-for-Western-Europe-tp5811759p5811796.html Sent from the General Discussion mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] cycle.travel bike routing for Western Europe
sabas88 wrote: it looks really nice! Thanks! :) One quick note, it's possible to have routes (also) in metric units? Yep, definitely. I'm working on making it the default for Europe but, for now, you can log in and set your user profile to prefer kilometres. cheers Richard -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/cycle-travel-bike-routing-for-Western-Europe-tp5811759p5811797.html Sent from the General Discussion mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Updated geocoding community guideline proposal
lawyers are involved. But that shouldn't be more than an absolute minimum, and most importantly, it's something that should stand up against the letter and intent of the licence we all signed up to. Richard -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/OSM-legal-talk-Updated-geocoding-community-guideline-proposal-tp5811077p5811521.html Sent from the Legal Talk mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
[Talk-ca] OpenStreetMap 10th Birthday Party: Toronto
The tenth anniversary of OpenStreetMap is coming up in just a few weeks. Several cities are holding local events to celebrate the local surveyors who make OpenStreetMap data the best, the most complete, the most current geographic data everywhere. The Toronto community has just updated their event. Please, consider yourself part of the Toronto community and join us here if you are able to do so! We'd love to see you in person.[1] If you can't make it to Toronto, and there isn't any event already planned near you, this might be the right time for you to organize an event. Do it. Kick-start your local community. There could be a dozen quiet local mappers waiting for somebody else to organize the event. That's you. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OpenStreetMap_10th_Anniversary_Birthday_party Best Regards and Happy Mapping, Richard [1] The monthly Toronto Mappy Hour was this week and we had the good fortune of a visit from a long time mapper who happened to be visiting the area. That was great. ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-us] Beach routing
On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 12:50 PM, Elliott Plack elliott.pl...@gmail.com wrote: OSM US: I've been using some routing engines to map fitness routes (e.g. Strava) that use OSM data. Along our US coasts, there are beaches. The beaches I'm familiar with are popular with walkers and joggers to go up and down the shore, since access is generally open to anyone along the water's edge. I'm considering adding a `highway=path` along the beach to facilitate this. I'd add the connections to the walking paths between parking lots and the beach as well. For uninterrupted strips of sandy beach, would a path be appropriate to indicate walkability? Adding a single arbitrary path where an area exists seems a bit of a hack. I recognize that part of the problem that you are trying to address is that routers aren't routing across areas. And that is surely a difficult problem to solve. Is the creation of arbitrary fake-paths a worse problem than not being able to route with specific routing software? Perhaps. A similar situation exists in (micro-)mapping golf courses. Some courses have cart paths with discontinuities. Often those discontinuities direct you to drive the cart (or walk, I'm not judging here) on the fairway, until the next section of physical cart path begins. In that situation, I only map the real path, not the virtual path. The another similarity is that users will select different paths for different reasons. Beach walkers may divert towards interesting items on the beach, or away from waves, washouts or debris. Golf players will be guided by course rules, weather rules and the location of their ball. The golf player is probably more likely to complete a predictable circuit. Beach walkers might follow an out and back of entirely arbitrary length. Using a router to select a, let's say, 5km stroll, out and back on a beach, seems of limited utility. I suggest, no path on the beach. Map a boardwalk where one exists, by all means. And adding those access ramps / paths is awesome. ;-) ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-ca] Updating Street Centerlines in County of Grey, Ontario, Canada
On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 11:13 AM, Shah,Soham soham.s...@grey.ca wrote: Hello, The GIS department at the County of Grey, Ontario was interested in updating the street centerline data with our Grey County Road Data, which we believe is more precise, both in terms of centerline placement and road labelling. I was thinking of using the JOSM Editor utility to bulk import the data. I read on the ‘Import process guidelines’ wiki that street centerlines can be very difficult to import. So, I am looking for some guidance and opinions of the OSM community to know if this is a viable import project. Hi Soham, Great to have you on this list and interested in OpenStreetMap. Fortunately there is a large and active OpenStreetMap community in Ontario. Come and join us at one of our events[1], and you'll be able to get a detailed introduction to both OpenStreetMap and our community. The short, and seemingly discouraging, answer is, Don't bulk update anything in the OpenStreetMap database. While seemingly discouraging, that message is important, and is the product of many years of active improvement of OpenStreetMap data. You can get a more detailed response at an event. We really don't want to discourage you if you thought that just uploading it to OpenStreetMap would be a quick and easy way to open your data and to improve a great open data. Those goals are admirable and are to be encouraged. As Daniel said earlier, an even easier way to get those same benefits is to publish your data with an open license. Once you do that, OpenStreetMap _and any other open data consumer_ can then benefit from your publication of open data. When you publish open data, publish that data under the Open Data Commons Public Domain Dedication and License[2]. It is the only right answer. Again, long answer and fascinating discussion available at our events. And thanks again for your interest in OpenStreetMap. use Best regards, Richard [1] http://www.meetup.com/OpenStreetMap-Toronto/ [2] http://opendatacommons.org/licenses/pddl/ ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
[Talk-ca] This months Ottawa mapping party
Find the details here [1] and [2]. Let me know if these dates work. I just put them out there to start the discussion. Look forward to seeing you all! Cheers, Richard [1] http://www.meetup.com/openstreetmap-ottawa/events/192567982/ [2] www.osmottawa.ca -- Please note: I only check email a few times during business hours. Richard Burcher Twitter: @richardburcher Blog: www.richardburcher.com LinkedIn: http://linkd.in/richardburcher ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
[Talk-ca] Ottawa Community Mapping Website Is Up
Hi folks, Just wanted to let local mappers know we've got a new local webpage [1] setup. My intention with this is to make easier for folks to find the mapping parties being run here as well as an easy tool for folks to get involved etc. Let me know what you think:) Cheers, Richard [1] http://www.osmottawa.ca/ -- Please note: I only check email a few times during business hours. Richard Burcher Twitter: @richardburcher Blog: www.richardburcher.com LinkedIn: http://linkd.in/richardburcher ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
[Talk-ca] Celebrating OSM's Birthday in the Captial
Who's up for helping me organize the Ottawa bday party? Let me know what you think! Cheers, Richard -- Please note: I only check email a few times during business hours. Richard Burcher Twitter: @richardburcher Blog: www.richardburcher.com LinkedIn: http://linkd.in/richardburcher ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-GB] Newbie hello
Marvellous Stuart! Glad to have you aboard. Richard Symonds Wikimedia UK 0207 065 0992 Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). *Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.* On 3 July 2014 16:02, Stuart Reynolds stu...@travelinesoutheast.org.uk wrote: Hi all, Just joined the mailing list. I’ve been editing small bits of data here and there for a while, although I’m still a newbie at this. I work for traveline south east anglia and, along with colleagues in some other traveline regions, we have just adopted OSM as our base mapping layer. I will undoubtedly be more active now as we look to add a number of bus lanes / bus gates where these aren’t already in the data, and I will no doubt be trespassing on your time asking a number of dumb newbie-type questions (in the newbie mailing list, naturally!) Cheers Stuart --- Stuart Reynolds traveline south east anglia ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-us] routing tags used by actual routing applications
On 7/3/14 2:32 PM, Martijn van Exel wrote: On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 10:26 AM, Kevin Broderick k...@kevinbroderick.com wrote: Highway=service implies a private road, though; Not always, service=alley can be public, can't they? i'd say that most alleys i see are public. for obvious reasons they are little used except by local traffic, but they're public. richard -- rwe...@averillpark.net Averill Park Networking - GIS IT Consulting OpenStreetMap - PostgreSQL - Linux Java - Web Applications - Search signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[OSM-talk] OGCServer help
can anyone point me at some help on getting OGCServer properly wired to a mapnik installation? the online docs i've found are pretty sketchy and are assuming a lot of python knowledge that i don't have. for reference, i'm working on an Ubuntu 14.10 install with mapnik installed per http://switch2osm.org/serving-tiles/building-a-tile-server-from-packages/ the mod_tile installation is working fine, but i need to get to serving tiles via wms and that part of the process isn't nearly as clear as the earlier stages of the process. thanks, richard -- rwe...@averillpark.net Averill Park Networking - GIS IT Consulting OpenStreetMap - PostgreSQL - Linux Java - Web Applications - Search signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[talk-au] Fwd: [OSM-talk] NOTICE: Upcoming Maintenance - Some services will be down
see attached notice of scheduled maintenance. Thank you, sysadmins, for your endless efforts on our behalf. -- Forwarded message -- From: Grant Slater openstreet...@firefishy.com Date: Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 12:22 PM Subject: [OSM-talk] NOTICE: Upcoming Maintenance - Some services will be down To: annou...@openstreetmap.org, Talk Openstreetmap t...@openstreetmap.org, OSM Dev List d...@openstreetmap.org On Saturday 5th of July 2014 between 09:00 and 19:00 (GMT / UTC) we are moving our servers hosted by University College London to another data center. The following services WILL be affected: * Search (nominatim.openstreetmap.org) will be unavailable. [1] * Slower map updates / Reduced tile rendering capacity. (Yevaud outage) * OSM Foundation websites and blog.openstreetmap.org will be unavailable. * Taginfo (taginfo.openstreetmap.org) will be unavailable. * Development Server (errol) will be unavailable. * Some imagery services will be unavailable. (GPX Render, OS Streetview, OOC, AGRI, CD:NGI aerial) Other OpenStreetMap provided services should not be affected - all of the following are expected to function normally: * www.openstreetmap.org web site WILL allow edits as per normal (iD or Potlatch). * API will allow map editing (using iD, JOSM, Merkaartor etc.) * Forum * trac (bug-tracker) * help.openstreetmap.org * tile serving (View The Map Export) * Wiki * mailing lists * subversion and git (source code repositories) * donate.openstreetmap.org Technical: We are moving all the servers listed here http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Servers#UCL_-_In_Use to a new UCL data center. The current building is being closed soon for refurbishment. The new data center has better server racks, power feeds, cooling and faster networking. [1] Searches through the website will still work - we will redirect them to another nominatim instance temporarily. Sincerely Grant Slater On behalf of the OpenStreetMap sysadmin team. ___ talk mailing list t...@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[Talk-ca] Fwd: [OSM-talk] NOTICE: Upcoming Maintenance - Some services will be down
see attached notice of scheduled maintenance. Thank you, sysadmins, for your endless efforts on our behalf. -- Forwarded message -- From: Grant Slater openstreet...@firefishy.com Date: Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 12:22 PM Subject: [OSM-talk] NOTICE: Upcoming Maintenance - Some services will be down To: annou...@openstreetmap.org, Talk Openstreetmap t...@openstreetmap.org, OSM Dev List d...@openstreetmap.org On Saturday 5th of July 2014 between 09:00 and 19:00 (GMT / UTC) we are moving our servers hosted by University College London to another data center. The following services WILL be affected: * Search (nominatim.openstreetmap.org) will be unavailable. [1] * Slower map updates / Reduced tile rendering capacity. (Yevaud outage) * OSM Foundation websites and blog.openstreetmap.org will be unavailable. * Taginfo (taginfo.openstreetmap.org) will be unavailable. * Development Server (errol) will be unavailable. * Some imagery services will be unavailable. (GPX Render, OS Streetview, OOC, AGRI, CD:NGI aerial) Other OpenStreetMap provided services should not be affected - all of the following are expected to function normally: * www.openstreetmap.org web site WILL allow edits as per normal (iD or Potlatch). * API will allow map editing (using iD, JOSM, Merkaartor etc.) * Forum * trac (bug-tracker) * help.openstreetmap.org * tile serving (View The Map Export) * Wiki * mailing lists * subversion and git (source code repositories) * donate.openstreetmap.org Technical: We are moving all the servers listed here http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Servers#UCL_-_In_Use to a new UCL data center. The current building is being closed soon for refurbishment. The new data center has better server racks, power feeds, cooling and faster networking. [1] Searches through the website will still work - we will redirect them to another nominatim instance temporarily. Sincerely Grant Slater On behalf of the OpenStreetMap sysadmin team. ___ talk mailing list t...@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
[Talk-us] Fwd: [OSM-talk] NOTICE: Upcoming Maintenance - Some services will be down
see attached notice of scheduled maintenance. Thank you, sysadmins, for your endless efforts on our behalf. -- Forwarded message -- From: Grant Slater openstreet...@firefishy.com Date: Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 12:22 PM Subject: [OSM-talk] NOTICE: Upcoming Maintenance - Some services will be down To: annou...@openstreetmap.org, Talk Openstreetmap t...@openstreetmap.org, OSM Dev List d...@openstreetmap.org On Saturday 5th of July 2014 between 09:00 and 19:00 (GMT / UTC) we are moving our servers hosted by University College London to another data center. The following services WILL be affected: * Search (nominatim.openstreetmap.org) will be unavailable. [1] * Slower map updates / Reduced tile rendering capacity. (Yevaud outage) * OSM Foundation websites and blog.openstreetmap.org will be unavailable. * Taginfo (taginfo.openstreetmap.org) will be unavailable. * Development Server (errol) will be unavailable. * Some imagery services will be unavailable. (GPX Render, OS Streetview, OOC, AGRI, CD:NGI aerial) Other OpenStreetMap provided services should not be affected - all of the following are expected to function normally: * www.openstreetmap.org web site WILL allow edits as per normal (iD or Potlatch). * API will allow map editing (using iD, JOSM, Merkaartor etc.) * Forum * trac (bug-tracker) * help.openstreetmap.org * tile serving (View The Map Export) * Wiki * mailing lists * subversion and git (source code repositories) * donate.openstreetmap.org Technical: We are moving all the servers listed here http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Servers#UCL_-_In_Use to a new UCL data center. The current building is being closed soon for refurbishment. The new data center has better server racks, power feeds, cooling and faster networking. [1] Searches through the website will still work - we will redirect them to another nominatim instance temporarily. Sincerely Grant Slater On behalf of the OpenStreetMap sysadmin team. ___ talk mailing list t...@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Nominatim in CDP
On 6/26/14 3:20 PM, John F. Eldredge wrote: Postal code usually means Zip code, or its non-USA equivalent, not city. this is one of those fussy points in US geocoding. the zip code can be mapped to the postal city, which is what is in everyone's addresses, and is what i think most us residents initially expect when typing an address into a search box. the underlying point being that there isn't one true geocoder, it depends entirely on what you're trying to accomplish. something driven by postal codes/addresses can be correct for many applications, while being wrong for others. to my mind the fact that we keep going in circles about this is evidence that we're thinking about the problem the wrong way. richard -- rwe...@averillpark.net Averill Park Networking - GIS IT Consulting OpenStreetMap - PostgreSQL - Linux Java - Web Applications - Search signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Nominatim in CDP
On 6/26/14 3:54 PM, Elliott Plack wrote: ZIP code / government addressing data expert here :) and i don't disagree with you here, but my thinking about how to go forward may be very different. more details will be forthcoming. richard -- rwe...@averillpark.net Averill Park Networking - GIS IT Consulting OpenStreetMap - PostgreSQL - Linux Java - Web Applications - Search signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Nominatim in CDP
On 6/25/14 6:37 AM, Minh Nguyen wrote: Postal cities aren't currently tagged as areas, only tag values on individual POIs and buildings. Clifford's first example is a building that lies outside the Redmond city limits but still carries a Redmond address, which is noted in addr:city. Would it be possible for Nominatim itself to synthesize a postal city boundary for its own use? I'm unfamiliar with Nominatim's inner workings, but it appears to models streets as polygons. How about something similar at the city level, taking into account the city limits and any matching addr:city values within a certain radius? i'm currently working on setting up an external source for city boundaries derived from ZCTA data. these boundaries would not be intended for import to OSM, but rather would be an external data set available to geocoders such as Nominatim. richard -- rwe...@averillpark.net Averill Park Networking - GIS IT Consulting OpenStreetMap - PostgreSQL - Linux Java - Web Applications - Search signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [OSM-talk] SOTM-EU videos
Wonderful! Thank you. Nice to see the videos. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [Talk-GB] Life Ring - British English
en-gb is probably lifebuoy I've never heard it called a life ring - that's too vague a name. Most people would probably refer to it by starting to describe it - one of those red ring things that you can use to help someone who is drowning. On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 10:05 AM, Andreas Goss andi...@t-online.de wrote: I'm trying to clean up the emergency tags in the Wiki and found emergency=life_ring as well as some less used other tag combinations with amenity and buoy. Is life ring how it is commonly referred to in British English. Just wanted to make sure it's not literal translation from German and isn't used in the UK at all. Wikipedia lists a lot of different names. I guess lifebuoy is more American? And is it written life ring or lifering? Both correct? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:emergency%3Dlife_ring https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lifebuoy __ openstreetmap.org/user/AndiG88 wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:AndiG88 ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Life Ring - British English
An office poll of four people here gives the answer life belt, with a fifth person saying life ring. Richard Symonds Wikimedia UK 0207 065 0992 Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). *Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.* On 16 June 2014 10:38, Barnett, Phillip phillip.barn...@itn.co.uk wrote: And http://www.scarborough.gov.uk/Default.aspx?page=7573 for a modern usage example. Lifebelts | Scarborough Borough Council A local authority is required to provide and maintain lifebelts next to rivers and waterways in the area. Read more... http://www.scarborough.gov.uk/Default.aspx?page=7573 PHILLIP BARNETT SERVER MANAGER 200 GRAY'S INN ROAD LONDON WC1X 8XZ UNITED KINGDOM T +44 207 430 4474 E phillip.barn...@itn.co.uk WWW.ITN.CO.UK P Please consider the environment. Do you really need to print this email? -- *From:* Barnett, Phillip *Sent:* 16 June 2014 10:37 *To:* Richard Mann; Andreas Goss *Cc:* talk-gb OSM List (E-mail) *Subject:* RE: [Talk-GB] Life Ring - British English Historically it's always been lifebelt in England. See eg http://www.encyclopedia-titanica.org/e-brown-survivors-photo.html http://www.encyclopedia-titanica.org/e-brown-survivors-photo.html Crewman E. Brown and two other Titanic survivors Survivors from the Titanic disaster arrive in Southampton. The centre figure in the photograph is Mr E. Brown who was unable to swim but kept afloat f... Read more... http://www.encyclopedia-titanica.org/e-brown-survivors-photo.html -- *From:* Richard Mann richard.mann.westoxf...@gmail.com *Sent:* 16 June 2014 10:30 *To:* Andreas Goss *Cc:* talk-gb OSM List (E-mail) *Subject:* Re: [Talk-GB] Life Ring - British English en-gb is probably lifebuoy I've never heard it called a life ring - that's too vague a name. Most people would probably refer to it by starting to describe it - one of those red ring things that you can use to help someone who is drowning. On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 10:05 AM, Andreas Goss andi...@t-online.de wrote: I'm trying to clean up the emergency tags in the Wiki and found emergency=life_ring as well as some less used other tag combinations with amenity and buoy. Is life ring how it is commonly referred to in British English. Just wanted to make sure it's not literal translation from German and isn't used in the UK at all. Wikipedia lists a lot of different names. I guess lifebuoy is more American? And is it written life ring or lifering? Both correct? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:emergency%3Dlife_ring https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lifebuoy __ openstreetmap.org/user/AndiG88 wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:AndiG88 ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb Please Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Independent Television News Limited unless specifically stated. This email and any files attached are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmas...@itn.co.uk Please note that to ensure regulatory compliance and for the protection of our clients and business, we may monitor and read messages sent to and from our systems. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Fwd: In mainland Britain, you are never more than 34 miles from a pub.
I think it depends on your definition of 'sea' - and probably the definition of lighthouse too! There's a lighthouse in Tower Hamlets - as well as some in the Scottish lochs. Richard Symonds Wikimedia UK 0207 065 0992 Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). *Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.* On 12 June 2014 11:12, Nick Whitelegg nick.whitel...@solent.ac.uk wrote: One thing that surprised me was 61 miles from a lighthouse as (and I don't know this) I'd have guessed that some of the central parts of England would be getting on for 100 miles from the sea. But my geography of that part of the world isn't great so I'm probably wrong... Nick -Craig Wallace craig...@fastmail.fm wrote: - To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org From: Craig Wallace craig...@fastmail.fm Date: 11/06/2014 09:53PM Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Fwd: In mainland Britain, you are never more than 34 miles from a pub. On 2014-06-08 16:28, Dan S wrote: Hi all, In mainland Britain, you are never more than 34 miles from a pub. http://mcld.co.uk/feet-from-a-rat/pub.html And luckily, in mainland Britain, you are never more than 30 miles from a public toilet. http://mcld.co.uk/feet-from-a-rat/public-toilet.html Several of the calculations seem to be including the Mull as part of mainland Britain, ie churches and golf courses. It is definitely an island. As for public toilets, must be a few missing from the map. I think there's toilets in Thurso and Bettyhill, though it has been a few years since I visited these. Craig ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-us] Nominatim in CDP
however folks may feel about CDPs, they aren't administrative government entities and the current tagging of them with an admin_level is clearly wrong (which Paul Norman pointed out to me a little while ago and he's absolutely right). if we can't get them out of the database then we should at least make an effort to come up with better tagging. On 6/11/14 2:09 PM, Serge Wroclawski wrote: This is (yet another) reason why I believe so strongly in Ian's effort to move government boundary data out of OSM and into another dataset. i favor this as well. richard -- rwe...@averillpark.net Averill Park Networking - GIS IT Consulting OpenStreetMap - PostgreSQL - Linux Java - Web Applications - Search signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-ca] Canadian OSM POI quality
On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 12:57 AM, Paul Norman penor...@mac.com wrote: I was curious how complete OpenStreetMap shop data was, so decided to do an analysis for some Canadian chains. The results were mixed. [Cool analysis clipped, go read it. :-) ] Thanks for this, Paul. It will be interesting to see change over time, should you choose to run this again each quarter or year. Some inconsistencies are well earned. Tim Hortons, and some other chains have changed their names since we started mapping them.[1] [2] If you map from survey, you might still find old signage with the earlier version of the name. That doesn't mean that we should slavishly replicate Ye Olde Spellings, but might be of interest to some. [1] http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/the-secret-to-gaining-success-in-quebec/article1124389/ [2] http://www.copyediting.com/legend-qu-becs-war-apostrophes ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [Talk-ca] Canadian OSM POI quality
On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 12:57 AM, Paul Norman penor...@mac.com wrote: I was curious how complete OpenStreetMap shop data was, so decided to do an analysis for some Canadian chains. The results were mixed. [Cool analysis clipped, go read it. :-) ] Thanks for this, Paul. It will be interesting to see change over time, should you choose to run this again each quarter or year. Some inconsistencies are well earned. Tim Hortons, and some other chains have changed their names since we started mapping them.[1] [2] If you map from survey, you might still find old signage with the earlier version of the name. That doesn't mean that we should slavishly replicate Ye Olde Spellings, but might be of interest to some. [1] http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/the-secret-to-gaining-success-in-quebec/article1124389/ [2] http://www.copyediting.com/legend-qu-becs-war-apostrophes ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-GB] Duff data on facebook
Hi Lester, Facebook updates the places it has using crowdsourced information from here: https://www.facebook.com/places/editor?ref=br_tf. I'm afraid that's all I know... Richard Symonds Wikimedia UK 0207 065 0992 Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). *Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.* On 9 June 2014 08:48, Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk wrote: Having lived in Broadway - Worcestershire for many years now, it is getting somewhat irritating that Facebook will not allow me to tag this fact. They for some reason seem to think that Broadway is in Gloucestershire. Various attempts have been made to get things corrected, and pages have been created for 'Worcestershire', but even these are now being redirected to the 'correct' master according to Facebook. Can anybody throw ANY light on to why they insistthat their data is the correct view? -- Lester Caine - G8HFL - Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk Rainbow Digital Media - http://rainbowdigitalmedia.co.uk ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Google awarded patent on automatic correction of road geometry from imagery
Didn't Steve C publish an automated tool to create road geometry from aerial imagery when he was at Microsoft? ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [Talk-GB] OSM session at Wikimania 2014
Fantastic Andy. I'll be attending :-) Richard Symonds Wikimedia UK 0207 065 0992 Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). *Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.* On 2 June 2014 12:18, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote: On 2 June 2014 12:11, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote: I've had a session pitch accepted, to speak about OSM at Wikimania 2014 (the annual Wikipedia/ Wikimedia conference; their equivalent of State of the map), held this year in London, in August. P.S. The talk will be on Saturday afternoon, 9 August, at 2.30pm -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-us] USBRS WikiProject seeks volunteer mappers
Martijn van Exel wrote: I would love to see these routes in OSM, and I think it's a shame that there is such an ongoing fuss about it. May I gently offer some experience from n years of both mapping and developing National Cycle Network routes in the UK. (As well as being an OSMer I'm a regional group co-ordinator for Sustrans, the organisation that looks after and develops the NCN.) Generally in the UK we only map proposed NCN routes when a) we have some personal knowledge of them, and b) the route has a serious likelihood of being signposted in the next couple of years For example, I was happy to map NCN 442, our new route across the Cotswolds, as proposed because I knew very well that it was likely to open before long - not least because largely I identified the alignment and bid for the funding for it! And indeed it's now signposted and open: http://www.sustrans.org.uk/news/prime-minister-opens-new-section-national-cycle-network However, there are other proposed routes in the local area where there is no particular action underway at present to find funding or to fix issues identified with the route. For example, NCN 536 is a proposed route from Banbury (part of my patch) to Northampton, but: no funding has been identified, some physical works will be required before it can open, and the flow isn't currently deemed a priority. It's very unlikely indeed to open in the next two years, and consequently it isn't mapped on OSM. On occasion, mapping a proposed route can be actively dangerous and misleading. Sometimes a proposed NCN route will follow a busy road or rough terrain, or cross private land; fixing this will be one of the to-dos before the route can be opened. Showing it on a map, even as a dotted line, can encourage cyclists to venture into unsuitable conditions. (Yes, in theory caveat emptor, but I have encountered people who have been misled by such proposed routes showing on a map.) Obviously you'll make your own decisions, but I'd encourage you to follow similar principles for the USBRS project. Or in summary: OSM can be a little way ahead of reality... but not too far ahead. cheers Richard (making a rare break from my not-posting-on-mailing-lists rule) -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/USBRS-WikiProject-seeks-volunteer-mappers-tp5807660p5807703.html Sent from the USA mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Standard (mapnik) toolchain/processes: can we teach these better?
On Mon, May 26, 2014 at 2:24 PM, stevea stevea...@softworkers.com wrote: I appreciate Simon's response that it seems that the really coolish (people, processes...) happen in what often seems like a bubble: that is exactly what I was referring to. It's like the Cool Kids have their insider club, a world of their own, THEN there are The Rest of Us. [ ... ] Pssst. Hey, You. You over there feeling left out. Want to know the secret to joining the cool kids? The secret is, you're already a cool kid. Disappointed? Don't be. You're already one of a small percentage of the world population who knows how to improve their local geo data and share it through OpenStreetMap. Think that isn't a select group? Think again. Only 30 - 50% of those who think they might like to contribute by signing up, actually contribute their first changeset. Only a few thousand people per day contribute, out of a planet of 7 billions. Pretty cool. Want to be even cooler? Become a coder of some sort. Contribute code to one or more OpenStreetMap-related software projects. You think mappers are a select group? They are. Now let's count coders who contribute on a daily basis. It isn't a few thousand per day. More like a few dozen[1]. And those are divided among dozens of projects. So pick a project that interests you; any one you like. Rendering, storage, UI, translations, accessibility, web site, QA, anything at all in the huge and varied OpenStreetMap tool chain and contribute. - find a long outstanding bug and check to see if it is (still) reproducible. - write some documentation for a beginner. - improve performance. - test a patch on different hardware. - triage a new bug. - compare some similar applications and write a review. Or even pick a project that you think needs to do more outreach, and help it do that outreach. Follow their project communication channels, and translate their bug reports, feature requests and design discussions into something suitable for a wider audience, then publish it to the appropriate wider comms channels. Learn more about what interests you. Share what you learn with others. An OpenStreetMap tag line from some of the early mapping party banners read, OpenStreetMap.org It's fun. It's free. You can help. [1] /me waves hands to distract from wild guess number. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] ODBL for Spatial Analysis
On Sat, May 24, 2014 at 11:40 AM, William Morris wboyk...@geosprocket.com wrote: Please let me know if I should direct this at a different list, but I have a basic question about the implications of the ODBL: OSM is brimming with great POIs and network features; I'd like to use some of these categories to answer broad questions like How far is this customer from the nearest park/school/whatever? Unfortunately, I'm not precisely sure of my legal obligation once I've answered that question. Specifically, would I be required to contribute the location of the customer back to OSM? If not, does that still hold when I upscale it to millions of customers? Thanks for the assistance, in any case. I know this is a somewhat contentious issue for the community, and I'd rather not make any assumptions. ODbL isn't contentious among OpenStreetMap contributors at all. We've all agreed to ODbL as a matter of course, in getting our contributor accounts. Sounds like you've been mislead by somebody with a bone to pick. Ignore them. :-) The right mailing list for license-realted questions or discussions is legal-talk@[1] On the face of your question, I would be surprised if OpenStreetMap would want to know the current location of an individual. That seems to fly in the face of the respect for individual privacy that OpenStreetMap demonstrates. I've presumed that your customer is a person, as they go about their day. That presumption could be way off base. It could go the other way, I suppose. If your customer is a business or POI that isn't included in OpenStreetMap, well then, yes OpenStreetMap would like that data. But again, you should have this discussion on legal-talk@. [1] https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-transit] Mapping intercity bus routes
I added service=express to the coaches that we have locally, using a
similar model to that used for train services. As long as it's clear, it
doesn't really matter (it can always be standardised at a later date).
{Formally, coaches are quite distinctive - the wheels are attached to an
underframe distinct from the coach body, which is why they are more
comfortable than buses. But I'd tend to make the distinction based on the
service offered, rather than the technology}.
Richard
On Sun, May 25, 2014 at 11:04 AM, Jo winfi...@gmail.com wrote:
In Belgium there are three operators, but in the region where they operate
they each have both city lines and regional lines and then a few long
distance lines operated with coaches. The regional lines are complementary
to the city lines in the cities as well. And some city lines go 15kms
outside the city in each direction, so the distinction is blurred.
I agree that there are too many red lines on the transport map, but apart
from using the official colours in a spiderlike representation, I don't see
a good solution to that problem.
Polyglot
2014-05-25 11:26 GMT+02:00 Jan v...@freenet.de:
Hi
Am 25.05.2014 11:02, schrieb Janko Mihelić:
I don't think we need a new tag. There would be a lot of gray area,
where do coaches end and buses start? The line isn't clear.
What would help is we should map the operator tag and then the renderers
should show the route or not based on the operator. Or different
operators could be rendered with different colors.
I think this is more a render problem than a mapping problem.
Janko
Of course it is a render problem. But you could not find the solution in
the operator tag. Why?
Have a look to Dresden. There you can find different operators. Esp.
RVD. The most lines from this operator are regional buslines around
Dresden. But there are also longdistance lines to Praha oder Berlin.
Or take a look at meinfernbus. Who is the operator? meinfernbus has the
licens an make the marketing sold tickets and so on. But the busses from
different small companys.
What should be the different between the busroutes? I think in germany
it is a little bit easier. You have lines regional or urban lines which
are orderd by gouverment.
The other ones are not orderd. the company have to earn the money only
from passenger and the minimum amount is ristricted.
Jan
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[Talk-ca] Ottawa Mapping Party
Hi Folks, We're throwing a mapping party at the end of the month (May 31 @ 9am). We'll carpool over to Quebec to map the Mackenzie King estate [1]. Visitors information [2]. Drop me a line or the meetup group to sort out carpooling. Cheers, Richard [1] http://www.meetup.com/openstreetmap-ottawa/events/178064882/ [2] http://www.ncc-ccn.gc.ca/places-to-visit/mackenzie-king-estate/visitor-information -- Please note: I only check email a few times during business hours. Richard Burcher Twitter: @richardburcher Blog: www.richardburcher.com LinkedIn: http://linkd.in/richardburcher ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-us] Battlegrid
On 5/21/14 7:08 PM, Clifford Snow wrote: As I work to fix road names in Skagit and Whatcom County I want to make sure that they won't appear on Battlegrid. For example, I just changed North Summit Court to Kinglet Court in Whatcom County. I verified the name which does not match TIGER 2013. Does removing the tiger:reviewed tag keep the way off Battlegrid? I'd hate to see it renamed to match TIGER since it is wrong. I fear that changing from tiger:reviewed=no to yes or deleting the tag won't keep it off Battlegrid. you should probably delete the tiger: tags containing the incorrect name as well. once a road has been verified, they contain no useful information from the OSM point of view. richard -- rwe...@averillpark.net Averill Park Networking - GIS IT Consulting OpenStreetMap - PostgreSQL - Linux Java - Web Applications - Search signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Community Guidelines - Horizontal Cuts better text
On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 1:18 PM, Michael Collinson m...@ayeltd.biz wrote: Thanks to all have responded specifically or generally on our community guidelines draft. I have been able to make a number of small changes which tighten and clarify without changing intent. I have made one large edit by replacing my original horizontal cuts text with some that I believe is better [1]. [ ... ] I find the new text to be clear and believe that it will serve well as a community guideline. [1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Data_License/Horizontal_Layers_-_Guideline ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Highly suspicious edit
On Sat, May 17, 2014 at 5:59 AM, Shawn K. Quinn skqu...@rushpost.com wrote: I see no good reason to have a username Delete Mine And I Delete Yours. I think it goes against the spirit of OSM as being overly confrontational on its face. Ah, but one might say the same about posting such a suspicious account to a list, rather than approaching the mapper directly and privately. And one might also say that same about calling for an instant life time ban without a hearing or appeal. Both of those appear to be confrontational and perhaps emotional snap decisions. We can give this a bit of time for everybody involved to chill out a bit. and a reminder from an earlier post, When you find a suspicious edit, try to be part of the solution, rather than merely a reporting system. :-) You'll find the full text in the archives. https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-us/2013-November/012171.html ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Hi!
Welcome Hans, When I'm unsure how to map something, I follow a process something like this, to find out how other mappers have approached it. Wikipedia might be a good place to find a common name for a particular feature like chicane. If you don't know that it's called a chicane, of that it is for traffic calming, things are a bit harder. From there, I'd look for existing instances of chicane in the database. Taginfo is great for this. Visit http://taginfo.osm.org and enter chicane in the search box. Then select the values tab. Or use this link. http://taginfo.osm.org/search?q=chicane#values from there, we can see that more than 5000 traffic_calming=chicane objects exist in the current database, and variants are much less frequent. Selecting chicane from the traffic_calming line in the table, then the wiki ta, exposes the link to the wiki page for this element http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag%3Atraffic_calming%3Dchicane And that rather confirms that you have found what you are looking for. And all in the context of what other mappers are already using, so we can avoid duplicating effort by 'creating' a new tagging standard. Best regards, Richard ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-GB] OSM Analysis updated with May 2014 OS Locator data
There's one like that in Oxford (for about 30 metres) - street addresses different on the two sides. For the moment it has name=St Clements Street, alt_name=London Place, and a separate footway with name=London Place (plus a name:note). So my suggestion - draw separate footways, and give them names. Use name/alt_name on the road, or name = one name / other name if both seem equally valid. Richard On Wed, May 14, 2014 at 9:30 AM, Steven Horner ste...@stevenhorner.comwrote: Hello, It's interesting and highlights a few problems local to me, some I had buried my head in the sand temporarily because I don't know how to fix them correctly. My biggest problem when tagging roads is what to name a road when either side of the road is a different street. For instance the analysis highlights Myrtle Grove as missing here: http://www.itoworld.com/product/data/osm_analysis/map_browser?bbox=415474,536751,415809,537148referrer=area Myrtle grove is the South side of the road labeled Chestnut Grove and continues around to where the Road is labeled Elm Gardens. Almost all of the streets in the estate are like this, where it is very misleading because opposite sides of the road is a different named street. How should this be mapped, I have steered clear of fixing it because I couldn't find any guidance on how it should be labeled and technically is it even wrong. The actual building footprints I have added the correct addresses to. I use various OS products in my day job and interestingly OSM labels the streets exactly the same as Vectormap Local does, anyone looking at either OS or OSM maps would not be able to find Myrtle Grove. Another street where I have always though was labeled wrong in the village is Roddymoor Road, there is no street sign and I have near heard anyone refer to it as this. The street on part of this road is not labeled (buildings are) it is East Terrace and that's how anyone describing it or looking at signs would describe it. Again OS do this the same which is probably why OSM has it tagged like this. All of this highlights that while OS Locator may have a difference and is fantastic for finding potential problems, changing it so OS Locator comparisons are 100% may not be the correct solution? Any help appreciated and apologies if I should ask in a different list, surely this is an incredibly common problem that I have somehow missed the obvious solution to. regards, Steven On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 2:24 PM, Shaun McDonald sh...@shaunmcdonald.me.uk wrote: ITO’s OSM Analysis has been updated with the latest OS Locator data. Most places have dropped out of the 100% completeness compared to OS Locator. There’s now 18 places which have less than 95% completeness. http://www.itoworld.com/product/data/osm_analysis/main Shaun McDonald Developer ITO World ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb -- www.stevenhorner.com http://www.stevenhorner.com @stevenhorner http://twitter.com/stevenhorner 0191 645 2265 stevenhorner ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
[Talk-us] NY Capdist: osm meetup
i've been working on this for a little bit, and it's finally coming together. a meetup of OSMers in New York's Capital District is scheduled for June 11th, at Enable Technologies in Troy, NY, at 6pm ET. the agenda is meet-and-greet, introductions, and possibly a few short presentations on various OSM topics. there will be pizza. RSVP if possible, it'd be good to know how much pizza to bring, and feel free to suggest agenda topics or offer to present something. richard -- rwe...@averillpark.net Averill Park Networking - GIS IT Consulting OpenStreetMap - PostgreSQL - Linux Java - Web Applications - Search signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] NY Capdist: osm meetup
On 5/14/14 2:56 PM, Richard Welty wrote: i've been working on this for a little bit, and it's finally coming together. a meetup of OSMers in New York's Capital District is scheduled for June 11th, at Enable Technologies in Troy, NY, at 6pm ET. ok, first update. it's Enable Labs, not Enable Technologies (sorry about that.) 415 River St, 4th Floor /Troy/, /NY/ 12180 http://www.enablelabs.com/ this is very near Brown's Brewing Company and there is ample nearby both on and off street. richard -- rwe...@averillpark.net Averill Park Networking - GIS IT Consulting OpenStreetMap - PostgreSQL - Linux Java - Web Applications - Search signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[talk-au] proposed import maxspeed reports from fleet managers.
Dear All, I started a discussion recently about a proposed import. The data is provided by the managers of vehicle fleets. Turns out that some of the data is coming from Australia and the rest of the world. I thought initially that the data was limited to North America. http://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/untitled-map_8290 The initial sample data includes some in a few places in Australia, as shown in the slippy map above. The map does not include the maxspeed data that was reported, and is intended only to show the current distribution of the data. Please join in the discussion on the imports list, if this topic interests you. If you are local to some of the data submissions, and are willing to do a survey to confirm it, please let me know. Best regards and happy mapping, Richard ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
