Re: [AFMUG] Very interesting post..

2015-04-19 Thread Josh Reynolds
I would suggest this test be done in that post. I'm sure Jim would be more than happy to comply. Josh Reynolds CIO, SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com On 04/18/2015 08:13 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote: While I applaud the initiative to do a comparison test, there are quiet a few things in this test

Re: [AFMUG] Very interesting post..

2015-04-19 Thread Josh Reynolds
Except those competitors don't sync with you, and it's very often that our clients don't actually have the strongest signal to our tower, but somebody else's. Many of our clients see 15-20 APs, and many more are hidden because they are 30 or 40MHz wide channels. There are environments much,

Re: [AFMUG] Very interesting post..

2015-04-19 Thread Josh Reynolds
I agree wholeheartedly. We are very much looking into ET Industries beamforming antennas. We may start doing a trial run with those and the RM5-PTMP. Josh Reynolds CIO, SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com On 04/18/2015 11:42 PM, Stefan Englhardt wrote: We need a combination of GPS, Filtering,

Re: [AFMUG] Very interesting post..

2015-04-19 Thread Josh Reynolds
Correction RM5AC-PTMP Josh Reynolds CIO, SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com On 04/18/2015 11:58 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote: I agree wholeheartedly. We are very much looking into ET Industries beamforming antennas. We may start doing a trial run with those and the RM5-PTMP. Josh Reynolds CIO,

Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream

2015-04-19 Thread Mike Hammett
April 18, 2015 8:44 AM = I'm assuming a Mikrotik at a datacenter where you do BGP with a tunnel to the destination router's IPs per upstream port. OSPF magic over the different tunnels. = - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -

Re: [AFMUG] loving these AF5X's so far!

2015-04-19 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
if there was a good 25db dish out there that I liked i would use it... Sent from my iPhone Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 On Apr 19, 2015, at 1:41 AM, Darin Steffl darin.ste...@mnwifi.com wrote:

Re: [AFMUG] Very interesting post..

2015-04-19 Thread Josh Reynolds
You're not. Explain to me how single player GPS sync helps in a mixed environment of various vendors when your equipment is in the beamwidth many other competitors and your radios suck in the presence of adjacent channel noise? It doesn't. It doesn't at all. Notch filters would help those

Re: [AFMUG] loving these AF5X's so far!

2015-04-19 Thread Josh Reynolds
What about a 24dBi? http://www.brinknetworks.com/jirous-jrc-24-ex-mimo-1-dual-polarity-high-performance-dish/ Josh Reynolds CIO, SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com On 04/18/2015 11:08 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: if there was a good 25db dish out there that I liked i would use it... Sent from my

Re: [AFMUG] Very interesting post..

2015-04-19 Thread Mike Hammett
That's fine. The less usable spectrum you have, the more you need to optimize what you have. The more middle of nowhere it doesn't matter what you do. the more you have neighbors, the more you have to plan more carefully and use better gear. You know I operate in the Chicago metro area. You

Re: [AFMUG] Very interesting post..

2015-04-19 Thread Stefan Englhardt
You can reduce self interference with GPS. So with limited spectrum you can optimize it with ABAB. If you need to use adjacent channels on your APs GPS Sync reduces the problems. Your own radios are close together so you see them at much higher levels then your competitors radios. Your

[AFMUG] 18 Ghz license Link

2015-04-19 Thread Daniel Gerlach
Looking for a 18 ghz License Link, or maybe 18 ghz ODU´s of PTP 800.who can help? Daniel

Re: [AFMUG] loving these AF5X's so far!

2015-04-19 Thread Mike Hammett
No idea why they would want to use such low gain antennas either. Low gain antennas doesn't make sense. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Chuck Macenski ch...@macenski.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday,

Re: [AFMUG] loving these AF5X's so far!

2015-04-19 Thread Mike Hammett
The UBNT boots are just pretty addons. THe connector itself is IP67 compliant and no weatherproofing is needed at all. Not sure why people keep thinking they need to put all this crap on every connector, or if they do need to, why their vendors haven't improved their designs. - Mike

Re: [AFMUG] Very interesting post..

2015-04-19 Thread Josh Reynolds
Yes, GPS sync helps with yourself, you are absolutely right. It doesn't help a damn about the combined noisefloors of dozens or hundreds of radios your RF front end hears though, the receiver's selectivity is destroyed despite your sync. It also doesn't do anything about your competitor

Re: [AFMUG] Very interesting post..

2015-04-19 Thread Stefan Englhardt
A good point is looking at using both radios of B5c. They do not double performance using 2 channels with this perfect conditions. So there is interference between the 2 channels? I asked Mimosa at a webinar if it is a problem to use adjacent channels with both radios. They say „no problem“. I

Re: [AFMUG] loving these AF5X's so far!

2015-04-19 Thread Mike Hammett
I think we've had more than one discussion on how awesome the Jirous dishes are. Other than maybe something super high end like Andrews, Gabriel, RadioWaves, etc. at $1k/dish, I don't see a need to use any other manufacturer. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions

Re: [AFMUG] Very interesting post..

2015-04-19 Thread Stefan Englhardt
We need a combination of GPS, Filtering, Beamforming and automatic spectrum optimization. So this UBNT filtering with a working gps added with stuff Mimosa announced. Radios who look at the spectrum and select the best channels on their own talking to other radios for a network wide

Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream

2015-04-19 Thread TJ Trout
Yes, I clearly understand how to implement. Just was wondering if someone offered it turn-key. I'm thinking that mikrotik won't be turn key, might be a big hassle to make and keep it working On Sun, Apr 19, 2015 at 2:22 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: No, I'm suggesting you locate a

Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream

2015-04-19 Thread Paul Stewart
I honestly wish that were the case in more companies… my favorite is asking a potential transit provider “do you support communities” and the answer is almost always “yes”. Then I ask for a list of them and get a single community for black hole routing sent to me … duh….. From: Af

Re: [AFMUG] OT - TV documentary review

2015-04-19 Thread Josh Reynolds
Vikings is pretty decent. Not history per say, but it keeps me tuning in every week. On April 19, 2015 11:48:22 AM AKDT, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: History Channel has produced a lot of bad programs lately, but today I saw a documentary titled World War II From Space that is worth

Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream

2015-04-19 Thread Mike Hammett
I'm not sure anyone would offer this given that you should be using purpose-built circuits for this. I'm not sure it would require much babysitting once it was done, other than the reliability of the circuits. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com

Re: [AFMUG] making your own jumpers cable for rockets and sectors

2015-04-19 Thread Jaime Solorza
Ha. Maybe I like a hard and stiffoops wrong list.. Jaime Solorza On Apr 19, 2015 2:24 PM, Lewis Bergman lewis.berg...@gmail.com wrote: RG142 had a lot worse loss than LMR200. We do use it for duplexer connecting and test cables because it is so tough. There are a large number of Hellas

Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream

2015-04-19 Thread TJ Trout
I can't comprehend that, are you offering to do hosted bonding with BGP for me using a mikrotik? On Sun, Apr 19, 2015 at 5:44 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: April 18, 2015 8:44 AM = I'm assuming a Mikrotik at a datacenter where you do BGP with a tunnel to the destination

Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream

2015-04-19 Thread Mike Hammett
No, I'm suggesting you locate a Mikrotik box in the datacenter where you can get the BGP connection(s). Put a Mikrotik (or more) on the ends of the broadband fiber connections. VPN from them back to the MT at the datacenter. Your BGP stays at the datacenter, you use the VPNs as internal

Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream

2015-04-19 Thread TJ Trout
Do you think it's something u can use in a production environment? On Sun, Apr 19, 2015 at 2:25 PM, TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com wrote: Yes, I clearly understand how to implement. Just was wondering if someone offered it turn-key. I'm thinking that mikrotik won't be turn key, might be a big

Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream

2015-04-19 Thread Mike Hammett
It'd be nice if they had a list like the old N-Layer. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://midwest-ix.com/ - Original Message - From: Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org To: af@afmug.com Sent: Sunday,

Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream

2015-04-19 Thread Paul Stewart
Multiplied Networks has a solution for that … I’ve only seen demo and it looked pretty good .. going to be building a proof of concept with their stuff in another month … From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of TJ Trout Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 9:23 PM To: af@afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] OT - TV documentary review

2015-04-19 Thread Gino Villarini
Your calling ancient aliens bad Gino A. Villarini @gvillarini On Apr 19, 2015, at 3:49 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: History Channel has produced a lot of bad programs lately, but today I saw a documentary titled World War II From Space that is worth watching. I think it

Re: [AFMUG] loving these AF5X's so far!

2015-04-19 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
shipped release Sent from my iPhone Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 On Apr 19, 2015, at 12:48 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Are you on 3.0 or the shipped release?

[AFMUG] OT - TV documentary review

2015-04-19 Thread Ken Hohhof
History Channel has produced a lot of bad programs lately, but today I saw a documentary titled World War II From Space that is worth watching. I think it was made in 2012 in the UK, and it's not actually from space. But it's produced in a way that will hold the attention of a generation

Re: [AFMUG] making your own jumpers cable for rockets and sectors

2015-04-19 Thread Lewis Bergman
RG142 had a lot worse loss than LMR200. We do use it for duplexer connecting and test cables because it is so tough. There are a large number of Hellas manufacturers that have equivalent specs to Andrew without the steep price tag though. For jumpers between GHz radio and antenna I would stick

Re: [AFMUG] OT - TV documentary review

2015-04-19 Thread Gino Villarini
We are aliens! Gino A. Villarini @gvillarini On Apr 19, 2015, at 4:18 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: The Aliens Channel. All aliens, all the time. -Original Message- From: Gino Villarini Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2015 3:08 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT -

Re: [AFMUG] OT - TV documentary review

2015-04-19 Thread Ken Hohhof
The Aliens Channel. All aliens, all the time. -Original Message- From: Gino Villarini Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2015 3:08 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - TV documentary review Your calling ancient aliens bad Gino A. Villarini @gvillarini On Apr 19, 2015, at 3:49

Re: [AFMUG] loving these AF5X's so far!

2015-04-19 Thread Josh Luthman
I'd suggest you try the upgrade. I haven't had any DFS problems outside. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Sun, Apr 19, 2015 at 2:56 PM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com wrote: shipped release Sent from my iPhone Kurt

[AFMUG] making your own jumpers cable for rockets and sectors

2015-04-19 Thread Tim Reichhart
Guys Whats the best cable to make your own jumper cables for rockets and sectors? Also where is best place to get rp-sma male ends at? Tim

Re: [AFMUG] loving these AF5X's so far!

2015-04-19 Thread Peter Kranz
While it the connector itself may be IP67 complaint, I have seen several crimp jobs of the cable onto the connector where there were gaps that would allow water to penetrate down into the connector. If this particular GPS cable suffers from a poor crimp, the cup formed by the boot will cause

Re: [AFMUG] loving these AF5X's so far!

2015-04-19 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
Josh, I did set it while in the DFS bands and still didn't make any difference. Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 On Sat, Apr 18, 2015 at 10:59 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com

Re: [AFMUG] Very interesting post..

2015-04-19 Thread Mike Hammett
Lots of things just work. Also, if you're thinking I'm not a proponent of big SNR, then you're sadly mistaken. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) geo...@cbcast.com To:

Re: [AFMUG] Very interesting post..

2015-04-19 Thread Peter Kranz
Really curious how well this works, without sync I would think you’d get too much RF into one of the other radios. Perhaps Airprism would help with this. If it does work I might try this myself. -PK From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds Sent: Sunday, April 19,

Re: [AFMUG] loving these AF5X's so far!

2015-04-19 Thread Jeremy
I mastic and tape all of my connectors. There's no reason not to. I know I have never said I wish I hadn't sealed these connectors that have been here for five years without getting water in them. I still love that the boot makes it easier to remove the cables once it has been sealed. Anyone

Re: [AFMUG] loving these AF5X's so far!

2015-04-19 Thread Jeremy
I am replacing Rockets, and I will be changing the orientation for dual slant. We're in the process of getting backup links in place and cutting over to them so that we can modify the dishes without significant downtime. On Sun, Apr 19, 2015 at 10:42 AM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: Are

Re: [AFMUG] Very interesting post..

2015-04-19 Thread George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting)
I don't care how many QAMs your radio can do, if you don't have the SNR, you don't get the bandwidth. We replaced some UBNT 3.65 sectors with the 3.6 450. Obviously the 450 won. Nearly the same signal and noise levels. I don't know what it is about the UBNT 3.65, but it just sucks. Yep, the

Re: [AFMUG] loving these AF5X's so far!

2015-04-19 Thread Rory Conaway
We used to put electrical tape under the mastic until we discovered fusion tape. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2015 9:31 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] loving these AF5X's so far! I mastic and tape all of my connectors.

Re: [AFMUG] making your own jumpers cable for rockets and sectors

2015-04-19 Thread Jaime Solorza
Those are tnc to n Jaime Solorza On Apr 19, 2015 10:38 AM, TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com wrote: Tessco. Lmr 200 works fine for me On Apr 19, 2015 7:08 AM, Tim Reichhart t...@nwohiobb.com wrote: Guys Whats the best cable to make your own jumper cables for rockets and sectors? Also where is best

Re: [AFMUG] loving these AF5X's so far!

2015-04-19 Thread Ken Hohhof
Are you replacing Rockets? If yes, are you rotating the feed to get dual slant? From: Jeremy Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2015 11:30 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] loving these AF5X's so far! I mastic and tape all of my connectors. There's no reason not to. I know I have never said I

[AFMUG] How Moore's Law Changed History (and Your Smartphone) | News Opinion | PCMag.com

2015-04-19 Thread Jaime Solorza
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2482133,00.asp Jaime Solorza

Re: [AFMUG] making your own jumpers cable for rockets and sectors

2015-04-19 Thread TJ Trout
Tessco. Lmr 200 works fine for me On Apr 19, 2015 7:08 AM, Tim Reichhart t...@nwohiobb.com wrote: Guys Whats the best cable to make your own jumper cables for rockets and sectors? Also where is best place to get rp-sma male ends at? Tim

Re: [AFMUG] loving these AF5X's so far!

2015-04-19 Thread Josh Luthman
Are you on 3.0 or the shipped release? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Sun, Apr 19, 2015 at 12:31 PM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com wrote: Josh, I did set it while in the DFS bands and still didn't make any difference.

Re: [AFMUG] making your own jumpers cable for rockets and sectors

2015-04-19 Thread Ken Hohhof
That looks like RG142. Very tough stuff, double shielded, FEP jacket, probably not flexible enough for short little UBNT jumpers though. I used to get RG142 jumpers from Pasternack. Not cheap, and I think the loss is higher than similar size LMR. I don’t hesitate to reuse RG142 jumpers

Re: [AFMUG] making your own jumpers cable for rockets and sectors

2015-04-19 Thread Jaime Solorza
Yes it is. We like it just like Andrew Heliax and Superflex Best for rockets are those metal one used inside some radios. Jaime Solorza On Apr 19, 2015 11:08 AM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: That looks like RG142. Very tough stuff, double shielded, FEP jacket, probably not flexible