ubject: Re: [LUTE] Re: long strings?
I know a luthier who uses hide glue daily. He has it warm, in a pot,
and it works very well for him.
At 05:19 PM 8/31/2011, you wrote:
Very cool! I stand in shame at my arrogance... I found the stuff a
misery, actually, and as for the reversal propertie
ute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Wednesday, 31 August 2011, 23:19
Subject: [LUTE] Re: long strings?
Very cool! I stand in shame at my arrogance... I found the stuff a
misery, actually, and as for the reversal properties I tended to do
more damage than good. I got to where I just pla
To: [2]Garry Warber ; [3]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: long strings?
Hi-- I have glued ribs and all the other parts of a lute with hide glue
too. I do know there are some places for titebond such as when carving
the rose and a piece breaks, or making the mold...
Sterling
B
one, I think...
Garry
From: sterling price
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 2:30 AM
To: Garry Warber ; [1]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: long strings?
As any good luthier will tell you today, hide glue is still superior to
modern glue for several reasons.
--Ster
2011 2:31 AM
> To: Garry Warber; lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
> Subject: [LUTE] Re: long strings?
>
>As any good luthier will tell you today, hide glue is still superior to
>modern glue for several reasons.
>
> --Sterling
>
>
>Subject: [LUTE] Re: long strin
Yes, regular old rubbing alcohol mix and a bit of heat is the standard joint
softener.
-Original Message-
From: William Samson
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 8:33 AM
To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Subject: [LUTE] Re: long strings?
I know that some top lute makers (and by 't
parating joints routinely, though of course it is likely to
damage a polished surface it the alcohol gets onto it.
Bill
From: Garry Warber
To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Wednesday, 31 August 2011, 12:31
Subject: [LUTE] Re: long strings?
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Edwards's website -
[1]http://www.vanedwards.co.uk/fretknot.htm
Bill
From: sterling price
To: Garry Warber ; "lute@cs.dartmouth.edu"
Sent: Wednesday, 31 August 2011, 7:30
Subject: [LUTE] Re: long strings?
As any good luthier will tell you today, hide glu
ber ; lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: long strings?
As any good luthier will tell you today, hide glue is still superior to modern
glue for several reasons.
--Sterling
Subject: [LUTE] Re: long strings?
Or, As I enjoy assuming, the "old ones" used the best they had, and
you listen to the top players of today
> damping basses is very
> common. There are different techniques
> for damping and it soon becomes
> trivial.
>
> --Sterling
> From: howard posner
> To: Lute List
> Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 10:39 AM
>
As any good luthier will tell you today, hide glue is still superior to
modern glue for several reasons.
--Sterling
Subject: [LUTE] Re: long strings?
Or, As I enjoy assuming, the "old ones" used the best they had, and if
they'd had epoxy glue and nylon stri
trivial.
--Sterling
From: howard posner
To: Lute List
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 10:39 AM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: long strings?damping
This discussion would make a lot more sense if posters explained what
gut is being compared to. In some cases, it's overwound strings
Christopher Wilke
Lutenist, Guitarist and Composer
[1]www.christopherwilke.com
--- On Tue, 8/30/11, David van Ooijen
wrote:
> From: David van Ooijen
> Subject: [LUTE] Re: long strings?
> To: "andy butler"
> Cc: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
On Aug 30, 2011, at 1:45 AM, Rob MacKillop wrote:
> However, from the dimmest corner of my memory bank,
> I think Mersenne (or someone else!) indicated the bass strings should
> have a sustain of 20 or so heartbeats [forgive me if I am getting this
> all wrong!]. How long that might be depe
This discussion would make a lot more sense if posters explained what gut is
being compared to. In some cases, it's overwound strings, and in others, it's
plain nylon.
On Aug 30, 2011, at 5:00 AM, andy butler wrote:
> Are there any players who reckon that damping is essential?
Tympanists, m
t me. Nor would I belittle anybody else for
such choices if they convinced me of merit via beautiful sound.
Eugene
> -Original Message-
> From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On
> Behalf Of Garry Warber
> Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 8:04 AM
>
d.
And again, based on what I hear other non-lute HIP musicians doing, I don't buy
it as a historical probability.
Anyways, that's my 415 cents.
Chris
Christopher Wilke
Lutenist, Guitarist and Composer
www.christopherwilke.com
--- On Tue, 8/30/11, David van Ooijen wrote:
> Fro
Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: long strings?
To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu, "andy butler" ,
"Roman Turovsky" , "Martyn Hodgson"
Date: Tuesday, 30 August, 2011, 14:43
Reminds me of the cover to this book:
[1]http://www.amazon.com/Your-Accomplishments-S
f Of David van Ooijen
> Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 4:16 AM
> To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
> Subject: [LUTE] Re: long strings?
>
> On 29 August 2011 20:07, Eugene C. Braig IV wrote:
> > Plugging and re-drilling a bridge to suit whatever configuration a
> player
&g
Reminds me of the cover to this book:
http://www.amazon.com/Your-Accomplishments-Suspiciously-Hard-Verify/dp/1449401023
Chris
--- On Tue, 8/30/11, Martyn Hodgson wrote:
> From: Martyn Hodgson
> Subject: [LUTE] Re: long strings?
> To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu, "andy bu
n Hodgson ; lute@cs.dartmouth.edu ; andy butler
Subject: [LUTE] Re: long strings?
There is a great likelihood that "our" gut is rather acoustically different
from "their".
Lets not forget to use the honest modifier "approximation of".
RT
- Original Message -
David van Ooijen wrote:
No such thing as a beginner's question.
Thanks for the expert answer ;-)
(and general thanks to the list for interesting reading over
the last few weeks)
Are there any players who reckon that damping is essential?
andy
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e
the difference (even on some recordings...)
I have heard Paul O'Dette in a recital with nylgut strings and his playing
was divine...
V.
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De : lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] De la part
de William Samson
Objet : [LUTE] Re: long strin
Lets not forget to use the honest modifier "approximation of".
RT
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From: "Martyn Hodgson" <[1]hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk>
To: <[2]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>; "andy butler"
<[3]akbut...@tiscali.co.uk>
Sent: Tuesday
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Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 7:01 AM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: long strings?
>
> The superiority of gut is chiefly that it was the material used by
cessary to employ the same string materials.
MH
--- On Tue, 30/8/11, andy butler wrote:
From: andy butler
Subject: [LUTE] Re: long strings?
To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Date: Tuesday, 30 August, 2011, 9:27
David van Ooijen wrote:
> The basses are shortish, so a higher tuning
, 30/8/11, andy butler wrote:
From: andy butler
Subject: [LUTE] Re: long strings?
To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Date: Tuesday, 30 August, 2011, 9:27
David van Ooijen wrote:
> The basses are shortish, so a higher tuning would be better,
actually.
> If the instrum
I agree with David. However, from the dimmest corner of my memory bank,
I think Mersenne (or someone else!) indicated the bass strings should
have a sustain of 20 or so heartbeats [forgive me if I am getting this
all wrong!]. How long that might be depends on whether you are playing
On 30 August 2011 10:38, David van Ooijen wrote:
> imprefect in many ways.
As is my spelling ...
> >
[On] another level, their imperfectiong
<<
.. and my grammar.
David - doing something else in the mean time, no multi-tasking for me
--
***
David van Ooijen
dav
On 30 August 2011 10:27, andy butler wrote:
> Beginner's questions.
>
> Is the superiority of gut down to the shorter sustain time
> that someone mentioned earlier?
>
> Is string damping really unpopular? (unnecessary?)
No such thing as a beginner's question.
Superiority is not a word I would u
David van Ooijen wrote:
The basses are shortish, so a higher tuning would be better, actually.
If the instrument is tuned to g', gut diapassons are possible (if cost
is an issue use fret gut, it really is so much better than any of the
modern materials), otherwise carbon or metal-wounds seem to
On 29 August 2011 20:07, Eugene C. Braig IV wrote:
> Plugging and re-drilling a bridge to suit whatever configuration a player
> has need of seems commonplace enough.
Indeed, and in the bridge of a decent enough instrument plugging and
drilling is no problem. (I use what I call a finger drill, b
ute@cs.dartmouth.edu
> Subject: [LUTE] Re: long strings?
>
> The point is, it has only five courses on the fingerboard. Playing any
> kind of lute or theorbo music on it would mean redrilling the bridge
> to accomodate six, hazardous enough on a 'decent' instrument, but I'
27;t want to go back to work.
__
From: "David van Ooijen"
To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 9:43:50 AM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: long strings?
The point is, it has only five courses on the fingerboard. Playing any
kind of lute or the
ust 29, 2011 12:43 PM
To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Subject: [LUTE] Re: long strings?
The point is, it has only five courses on the fingerboard. Playing any
kind of lute or theorbo music on it would mean redrilling the bridge
to accomodate six, hazardous enough on a 'decent' instrument, but I'
ng from their background. This stuff greatly depends
> upon which expert is looking at it... :-)
> Garry
>
> -Original Message- From: David van Ooijen
> Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 5:21 AM
> To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
> Subject: [LUTE] Re: long strings?
>
> Their
ff greatly depends
upon which expert is looking at it... :-)
Garry
-Original Message-
From: David van Ooijen
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 5:21 AM
To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Subject: [LUTE] Re: long strings?
Their tiorbino (Theorbo Bass Lute small ...) has (Stephen and Sandi's)
des
lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Subject: [LUTE] Re: long strings?
I suppose you're talking about this:
http://quality1trader.co.uk/musical-instrument/strings/lute/theorbo-bass-lut
e-
medium/
You can watch it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNJaYInbbhs
Mathias
To get on or off this lis
riginal Message-
From: Mathias Rösel
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 4:14 AM
To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Subject: [LUTE] Re: long strings?
Garry,
Do as you please and mind your bizz. Everybody does, me included. I have gut
strings for basses because I like their short impulse and their quick
> I suppose you're talking about this:
>
http://quality1trader.co.uk/musical-instrument/strings/lute/theorbo-bass-lut
e-
> medium/
You can watch it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNJaYInbbhs
Mathias
To get on or off this list see list information at
http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admi
Their tiorbino (Theorbo Bass Lute small ...) has (Stephen and Sandi's)
description of the theorbood guitar (Theorbo Bass Lute medium). It
even comes with Fontanelli's music!
David - enough of this nonsense, back to work
--
***
David van Ooijen
davidvanooi...@gmail.com
On 29 August 2011 10:41, Edward C. Yong wrote:
> guitars, but tiorbini and chittare attiorbate as well? I was under the
It's my guess that they happen to have drawings of these instruments
without really knowing what they are. Calling them theorbos can be a
bit of a disappointment for the inexper
Curiously, the small seems to be set up for 1x1, 5x2 on the fingerboard:
http://quality1trader.co.uk/musical-instrument/strings/lute/theorbo-bass-lute/
Their instrument descriptions appear to be cut and pasted from the
Barber & Harris website. their string lengths for the small and medium
co
trag von Garry Warber
> Gesendet: Montag, 29. August 2011 06:16
> An: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
> Betreff: [LUTE] Re: long strings?
>
> Correct to you... :-) What I play in the privacy of my own home is my
business.
> Now I have to deal with lute-string police too? Grammar po
oops... it's a "cue..." Quality1traders...
-Original Message-
From: Garry Warber
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 1:44 AM
To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Subject: [LUTE] Re: long strings?
You seem a nice guy, and not in a rut... Check out this "toy" theorbo.
eBay,
--
From: howard posner
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 1:17 AM
To: Lute List
Subject: [LUTE] Re: long strings?
On Aug 28, 2011, at 9:11 PM, Garry Warber wrote:
You can find anything on eBay now -a-days... :-)
Garry
-Original Message- From: howard posner
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2011 5
On Aug 28, 2011, at 9:11 PM, Garry Warber wrote:
> You can find anything on eBay now -a-days... :-)
> Garry
>
> -Original Message- From: howard posner
> Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2011 5:52 PM
> To: Lute List
> Subject: [LUTE] Re: long strings?
> On Aug 28, 2011,
r chance may be in
order.
Garry
-Original Message-
From: dwinh...@comcast.net
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2011 10:19 PM
To: howard posner
Cc: Lute List
Subject: [LUTE] Re: long strings?
I also very highly recommend Chris Henriksen of Boston Catlines. Have
fun, don't go too broke.
Lex,
Very interesting link, and in my favorites now! Thank you!
Garry
-Original Message-
From: Lex van Sante
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2011 6:13 PM
To: lute mailing list list
Subject: [LUTE] Re: long strings?
Hi Garry,
Bernd Kuerschner has nylon strings up to 180cm.
As well as
bject: [LUTE] Re: long strings?
I'm thinking theorbo purchase... Where does one get a nylon theorbo
14-course string set? I measured my 8-course lute strings, which went
from 100cm to 110cm; obliviously too short... Please, no "you must use
gut(!)" nonsense.
That
You can find anything on eBay now -a-days... :-)
Garry
-Original Message-
From: howard posner
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2011 5:52 PM
To: Lute List
Subject: [LUTE] Re: long strings?
On Aug 28, 2011, at 2:29 PM, Garry Warber wrote:
I'm thinking theorbo purchase... Where does one
sner"
To: "Lute List"
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2011 2:52:02 PM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: long strings?
On Aug 28, 2011, at 2:29 PM, Garry Warber wrote:
> I'm thinking theorbo purchase... Where does one get a nylon theorbo
> 14-course string set?
Never mi
Hi Garry,
Bernd Kuerschner has nylon strings up to 180cm.
As well as carbon(pvf) and gut
More info at www.kuerschner-saiten.de
Cheers
Op 28 aug 2011, om 23:29 heeft Garry Warber het volgende geschreven:
> I'm thinking theorbo purchase... Where does one get a nylon theorbo
> 14-course stri
"Has anyone done business Chris Henriksen/Boston Catlines lately? I
was once very satisfied dealing with him, but I don't think I've
actually bought any strings in this century, and now that I finally
need new ones, I feel like a string virgin again."
I buy strings from him all t
On Aug 28, 2011, at 2:29 PM, Garry Warber wrote:
> I'm thinking theorbo purchase... Where does one get a nylon theorbo
> 14-course string set?
Never mind the strings; where did you find a nylon theorbo?
> I measured my 8-course lute strings, which went
> from 100cm to 110cm; obliviously
>I'm thinking theorbo purchase... Where does one get a nylon theorbo
>14-course string set? I measured my 8-course lute strings, which went
>from 100cm to 110cm; obliviously too short... Please, no "you must use
>gut(!)" nonsense.
That's correct, it isn't nonsense.
Mathias
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