Re: [MBZ] OT eviction

2016-07-21 Thread Mountain Man via Mercedes
Dan wrote: > I guess my point is that while the idea of renting a property sounds like > easy money, it’s not. I guess my position has always been that the owner is king, I better make it easy for him. Fridge dies? - I buy it. Oven and stove die? - I purchase craigslist. Yeah, roof, or other

Re: [MBZ] OT eviction

2016-07-21 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
Yep applicants typically pay for the background check here as well in the form of an application fee Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 21, 2016, at 7:05 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes > wrote: > > I work with two guys who have in excess of 10 single family rental properties >

Re: [MBZ] OT eviction

2016-07-21 Thread archer75--- via Mercedes
"First of all, to thine own self be true." "So, CYA whatever you do." "Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: > Being nice and trying to help people is what got us where we are today. > > On Jul 21, 2016, at 5:35 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes > > wrote: > > > > I would agree that you

Re: [MBZ] OT eviction

2016-07-21 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
I work with two guys who have in excess of 10 single family rental properties each. One is the cheapest, skin-flintyest person I have ever known, who goes to great lengths to vet his potential tenants (I suspect in violation of HUD laws) and kicks people out the second they get out of line.

Re: [MBZ] Anybody want a military style Seiko 5 for $50?

2016-07-21 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: That's out of my league. http://www.ebay.com/itm/222175780776 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:

Re: [MBZ] OT eviction

2016-07-21 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Thu, 21 Jul 2016 17:03:09 -0500 "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" wrote: > My plan was to rent out house and by the time I was ready to retire it > would be paid off and would either have the month rent coming in or > could sell it at that time. Great plan. Poor

Re: [MBZ] OT eviction

2016-07-21 Thread Mountain Man via Mercedes
Grant wrote: > Mao is the "good renter" who preserves and protects his relationship with > Landlord.. Kaleb's Renter has not. Kaleb made the first move, inappropriately most likely (according to Kaleb's explanation) by issuing eviction, prior to be nice. All you can do is lose if you talk nice

Re: [MBZ] OT eviction

2016-07-21 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
Being nice and trying to help people is what got us where we are today. Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 21, 2016, at 5:35 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes > wrote: > > I would agree that you could approach them directly and make nice, but > knowing human nature, the line has

Re: [MBZ] OT eviction

2016-07-21 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
Yep Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 21, 2016, at 5:43 PM, G Mann via Mercedes > wrote: > > Actually, since the Renter has lawyer-ed up, it is a breach of legal > etiquette to talk directly with the Renter. All communications have to be > done "through the lawyer". > >

Re: [MBZ] OT eviction

2016-07-21 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
Actually, since the Renter has lawyer-ed up, it is a breach of legal etiquette to talk directly with the Renter. All communications have to be done "through the lawyer". Sorry.. don't shoot the messenger. Rib econ has been passed... time to go hard ball.. Mao is the "good renter" who preserves

Re: [MBZ] OT eviction

2016-07-21 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Thu, 21 Jul 2016 17:26:41 -0500 Mountain Man via Mercedes wrote: > Dan wrote: > > Since his lessees have retained legal representation, it’s beyond the > > DIY stage. > > If we used this same approach to maintaining W123, we would be > spending more at the dealer.

Re: [MBZ] OT eviction

2016-07-21 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
I would agree that you could approach them directly and make nice, but knowing human nature, the line has been crossed and they‘ve fired the first shot across the bow, so to speak. It’s a significant sign of weakness, no matter what his situation is as the owner/lessee in my opinion, and one

Re: [MBZ] OT eviction

2016-07-21 Thread Mountain Man via Mercedes
Dan wrote: > Since his lessees have retained legal representation, it’s beyond the DIY > stage. If we used this same approach to maintaining W123, we would be spending more at the dealer. Where there is a will, there is a way. Break the chain of tough guy, eat crow, deal with renter instead of

Re: [MBZ] OT eviction

2016-07-21 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes
On 21/07/2016 4:36 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote: So just as I suspected the wife called their lawyer . . . . . . . When she told me this all I could say was I told you so. If you keep this up, you will be looking for a Divorce Lawyer. RB

Re: [MBZ] OT eviction

2016-07-21 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
And now you learn the tribulations of being a landlord. It’s not pretty in many cases. Dan > On Jul 21, 2016, at 6:03 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes > wrote: > > My plan was to rent out house and by the time I was ready to retire it would > be paid off and would

Re: [MBZ] OT eviction

2016-07-21 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
My plan was to rent out house and by the time I was ready to retire it would be paid off and would either have the month rent coming in or could sell it at that time. Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 21, 2016, at 4:56 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes > wrote: > > Kaleb sez: >

Re: [MBZ] OT eviction

2016-07-21 Thread Rick Knoble via Mercedes
Kaleb sez: >Lawyer on our behalf being >obtained now. Afterwards I >have to decide if >its worth >renting out the old house or >just getting rid of it. If you get good tenants, it's worth it. You might have to hire someone (real estate agent, usually) to find you a good tenant. ‎The fee is

Re: [MBZ] OT eviction

2016-07-21 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
So just as I suspected the wife called their lawyer who says he has a date for mediation, they are thinking the 11th or 15th of August, whatever works around their schedule.  Wife let him know that was simply not going to work.  When she told me this all I could

Re: [MBZ] Wildlife Camera

2016-07-21 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Send him down to teach my bunnies. On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 4:22 PM, fmiser via Mercedes wrote: > Dan wrote: >> >> Have a Have-a-hart trap that would work, but I have no >> idea what to use for bait. >> > > Maybe try bananas. > > I had one tear up the compost to get at

Re: [MBZ] OT eviction

2016-07-21 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
Yes, you are right. They are going to lose as it is black and white they are in violation but for some very strange reason I still cant comprehend they decided to hire an lawyer so we are of course going to have to hire one, which they will have to pay for when they lose. It would stand to

Re: [MBZ] OT eviction

2016-07-21 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Dan, Since his lessees have retained legal representation, it’s beyond the DIY stage. His lessees also have not shown that they respect him or the contract they signed, so your suggestion is pretty much moot. I believe that cow is out of the barn. Dan > On Jul 21, 2016, at 3:56 PM,

Re: [MBZ] Wildlife Camera

2016-07-21 Thread fmiser via Mercedes
Dan wrote: Have a Have-a-hart trap that would work, but I have no idea what to use for bait. Maybe try bananas. I had one tear up the compost to get at some rotten bananas. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives

Re: [MBZ] OT eviction

2016-07-21 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
Well we had been consulting with my cousin who is a local real estate attorney but we did not tell him about that mediation deal. I agree they decided to pay a lawyer and now have the upper hand in what should have been a simple case so I am probably going to just pay him to handle the deal.

Re: [MBZ] Anybody want a military style Seiko 5 for $50?

2016-07-21 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
The expensive Longines are out of my league. Anything under $100 is potentially of interest. On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 3:58 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Andrew wrote: > > That's out of my league. > > They come up cheap infrequently - that is how I have one, just

Re: [MBZ] Anybody want a military style Seiko 5 for $50?

2016-07-21 Thread Mountain Man via Mercedes
Andrew wrote: > That's out of my league. They come up cheap infrequently - that is how I have one, just becuz... The Seiko movement is probably in that list also? mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To

Re: [MBZ] OT eviction

2016-07-21 Thread Mountain Man via Mercedes
Dan wrote: > This is not a beater Mercedes that you can tinker... All this professional law stealer talk - I'm ashamed to be a DIY vintage mercedes tinkerer. You guys disappoint. I am professional renter - been here 20 years and talk to the owner often. As DIY, Kaleb, get yer butt over to your

Re: [MBZ] Anybody want a military style Seiko 5 for $50?

2016-07-21 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
That's out of my league. On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 3:35 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Andrew wrote: > > Nice watch, but not the kind that needs to be ultra thin to be > appreciated. > > How about back to Longines - you said you collect Longines-Wittnauer? >

Re: [MBZ] OT eviction

2016-07-21 Thread Mountain Man via Mercedes
--R wrote: > He has his wife who is an expert in real estate matters. That sounds like stereotype. Actually, I like chocolate, which is also a stereotype. Stereotype, in a sense, declares preference or choice. Somehow that don't sound wrong... mao ___

Re: [MBZ] OT eviction

2016-07-21 Thread Max Dillon via Mercedes
Ditto, a few hundred dollars now could easily save tens of thousands... Only once have I ever walked into a situation and been ambushed with no lawyer, won't happen again... You've paid some stupid tax, no need to pay more. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 On July 21, 2016

Re: [MBZ] Anybody want a military style Seiko 5 for $50?

2016-07-21 Thread Mountain Man via Mercedes
Andrew wrote: > Nice watch, but not the kind that needs to be ultra thin to be appreciated. How about back to Longines - you said you collect Longines-Wittnauer? http://www.ranfft.de/cgi-bin/bidfun-db.cgi?10&0&2uswk_990_1 which is the same as Lemania 8810 and is still one of the thin movements

Re: [MBZ] OT eviction

2016-07-21 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
This is not a beater Mercedes that you can tinker with and leave for another day if you can’t fix it, Kaleb. You need to step up and hire a professional before you get led down the path by the lessee, or their attorney, who has far more knowledge and understanding of the situation than you

Re: [MBZ] OT eviction

2016-07-21 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
A copy of the lease we used is located here: https://www.ok.gov/OREC/documents/Residential%20Lease.pdf It seems pretty air tight to me and covers everything except we did not realize section 25 was in there. It will be taken out or reworded to indicate we MAY at owners discretion use

Re: [MBZ] OT eviction

2016-07-21 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
We can use whatever contract we want here or use the OREC one and change as needed. Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 21, 2016, at 1:38 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes > wrote: > >> On 21/07/2016 11:45 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote: >> We used a standard Oklahoma

Re: [MBZ] OT eviction

2016-07-21 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
All the more reason to engage a lawyer.. Contracts of Adhesion are specifically against the law. As a "non-lawyer" you could possibly draft something into your Rental Contract that could be argued to have been "Adhesion" ... avoid that, as it would serve to negate the contract and leave you, the

Re: [MBZ] OT eviction

2016-07-21 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes
On 21/07/2016 11:45 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote: We used a standard Oklahoma real estate commission lease contract which is pretty detailed and has plenty of teeth except for that mediation clause we failed to notice and remove. We need to get aggressive with getting this thing

Re: [MBZ] OT eviction

2016-07-21 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
G Mann via Mercedes wrote: As the Landlord, you have a duty to know the contract better than anyone else. Are rental contracts considered contracts of adhesion, with all vague terms construed to the disadvantage of the author? Mitch. ___

Re: [MBZ] OT eviction

2016-07-21 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
I'm concerned that I might do you a great disservice in doing that. I suggest you engage a local lawyers to draft a Contract that observes all your particular states laws and perhaps any local regulations that may apply.. A Rental Contract is, as viewed by a Judge, a Contract, entered into by

Re: [MBZ] Someone needs to jump on this

2016-07-21 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes
Unfortunately I'm going to have to pass The other day SWMBO commented that both of our diesel cars have interior noise levels that are just too loud for her, she wants to go back to a gasser, so maybe I'll look for a later-years 140 ... - Max Charleston SC On Thu, Jul 21, 2016

Re: [MBZ] Wildlife Camera

2016-07-21 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
My cat is a mini panther = all black 18 pounder. He would love a playmate. On Jul 21, 2016 11:40 AM, "Joel Cairo via Mercedes" wrote: > I can send you a black panther (I called it "Huey") that would probably > take care of various critters in the neighborhood. > > --JC >

Re: [MBZ] Someone needs to jump on this

2016-07-21 Thread Joel Cairo via Mercedes
Max needs to get that for his wife --JC On 7/21/16 1:18 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: http://www.ebay.com/itm/152170155582 Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

[MBZ] Someone needs to jump on this

2016-07-21 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
http://www.ebay.com/itm/152170155582 Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:

Re: [MBZ] OT eviction

2016-07-21 Thread Rick Knoble via Mercedes
Grant sez:  >‎In my Rental Contract it clearly >says, ALL RECOVERY COSTS >necessary to >collect payments >past due SHALL be payable and >due to the Company. Do you mind posting a redacted (no names, i.e. blank) copy? I will be needing a new rental contract soon.  Rick  Sent from my BlackBerry 

Re: [MBZ] OT eviction

2016-07-21 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
Since I've never seen your Rental Contract, I'm only supposing it would have a clause which clearly defines actions should the Renter default on the required payment. In my Rental Contract it clearly says, ALL RECOVERY COSTS necessary to collect payments past due SHALL be payable and due to the

Re: [MBZ] OT eviction

2016-07-21 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
You are 100% correct in my mind. Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 21, 2016, at 11:54 AM, rogerhga--- via Mercedes > wrote: > > Kaleb, > It seems that since it's "your contract" you should set both the mediator and > the time of mediation. If a judge were involved, the

Re: [MBZ] Anybody want a military style Seiko 5 for $50?

2016-07-21 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes
My Seiko 5 is a little more than 3/8" thick. The nylon band that it came with is a little stiff and needs to be broken in to be more comfortable. Many of the reviews that I looked at included advice for a replacement band, so that seems to be the biggest downside so far. I'm going to give it a

Re: [MBZ] OT eviction

2016-07-21 Thread rogerhga--- via Mercedes
Kaleb, It seems that since it's "your contract" you should set both the mediator and the time of mediation. If a judge were involved, the judge would set it. If there is no judge involved, then you should get a mediator, have them send a registered letter advising of time and date for

Re: [MBZ] OT eviction

2016-07-21 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
Hence you need a lawyer. Somebody to look through your contract and find anything else you've missed. You don't want to get into mediation and find out you haven't dotted some i or crossed some t. I suspect an inspection would reveal the opposing lawyer to be family... -Curt From: Kaleb

Re: [MBZ] OT eviction

2016-07-21 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
It's never foolish to have a lawyer on retainer. Well other than 98% of the lawyers give the rest a bad name.. ;)) As a point of reference, I have 3 lawyers on retainer. A Criminal lawyer, A Civil lawyer, and a CPA Tax lawyer. The retainer for each is a minimal yearly stipend which simply

Re: [MBZ] OT eviction

2016-07-21 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
We used a standard Oklahoma real estate commission lease contract which is pretty detailed and has plenty of teeth except for that mediation clause we failed to notice and remove. We need to get aggressive with getting this thing to mediation so we can then refile the case. Waiting on somebody

Re: [MBZ] OT eviction

2016-07-21 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
Error 1: Not having a lawyer draw up the rental contract.. with TEETH. Error 2: See Error 1. 4D Rule: Deceive, Deny, Delay, Divert. Opposing lawyer has Delayed and diverted you. Your goal is EVICTION, with payment in full of past due rents. Your post above suggests your dialogue with this issue

Re: [MBZ] OT eviction

2016-07-21 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
At this point probably so. Normally in such matters it is foolish to involve them. Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 21, 2016, at 10:38 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes > wrote: > >> On 20/07/2016 4:02 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote: >> Well I guess here is where we

Re: [MBZ] Anybody want a military style Seiko 5 for $50?

2016-07-21 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes
Thank you. My day to day watch is an old Seiko quartz watch that I have worn since about 1980. It is about 3/16 thick. Leather bands and batteries last about a year. It needs another band as of yesterday. It has been cleaned once. I periodically buy other watches but generally don't use them

Re: [MBZ] OT eviction

2016-07-21 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
Not a bad idea to lawyer up, especially at this point when things have gone kablewy. Might save money in the long run having somebody that does this look everything over. -Curt From: Randy Bennell via Mercedes To: Mercedes Discussion List

Re: [MBZ] OT eviction

2016-07-21 Thread Joel Cairo via Mercedes
He has his wife who is an expert in real estate matters. --JC On 7/21/16 11:38 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote: On 20/07/2016 4:02 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote: Well I guess here is where we stand from what I was told. Their lawyer filed whatever paperwork for mediation.

Re: [MBZ] Wildlife Camera

2016-07-21 Thread Joel Cairo via Mercedes
I can send you a black panther (I called it "Huey") that would probably take care of various critters in the neighborhood. --JC On 7/21/16 11:32 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: Saw a very healthy looking red fox in the back yard a month ago. His/her tail was as long as the body

Re: [MBZ] OT eviction

2016-07-21 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes
On 20/07/2016 4:02 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote: Well I guess here is where we stand from what I was told. Their lawyer filed whatever paperwork for mediation. At this point we are waiting for "them" to let us know when that will be. I am not sure who "them" is as I was not able

Re: [MBZ] Wildlife Camera

2016-07-21 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Saw a very healthy looking red fox in the back yard a month ago. His/her tail was as long as the body and very bushy. On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 11:18 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > I was going to joke about you not having any nearby wild areas but then I >

Re: [MBZ] Wildlife Camera

2016-07-21 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
I was going to joke about you not having any nearby wild areas but then I remembered driving through Rock Creek Park and seeing deer... -Curt From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: Andrew Strasfogel

Re: [MBZ] OT Well pump weirdness

2016-07-21 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes
> This is especially common when the motor is starting under load, such as > in a pump. > The starting load on a centrifugal pump isn't nearly as bad as on a piston pump. But your problem sounds like it could be a bad cap. I'd think, though, that you'd hear humming/buzzing because the running

Re: [MBZ] Wildlife Camera

2016-07-21 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Too cute to slaughter. If I am lucky enough to trap this animal I would release him/her into a nearby wild area, where he/she would probably become dinner for a red fox or coyote. On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 11:05 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Blueberries are

Re: [MBZ] Wildlife Camera

2016-07-21 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes
Blueberries are irresistible to the rabbits down here... Please let us know if the bunnies diet has pre-flavored the meat... - Max Charleston SC On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 10:46 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > A large glass of water? A bowl of queso,

Re: [MBZ] Wildlife Camera

2016-07-21 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
A large glass of water? A bowl of queso, maybe a few chips to go with it? Dan > On Jul 21, 2016, at 10:28 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: > > I need an effective Havahart trap bait for a fast growing bunny that takes > great delight in eating jalapeno pepper plant leaves.

Re: [MBZ] Wildlife Camera

2016-07-21 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
I need an effective Havahart trap bait for a fast growing bunny that takes great delight in eating jalapeno pepper plant leaves. On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 6:47 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > According to what I have found so far, there is no suitable bait for >

Re: [MBZ] Anybody want a military style Seiko 5 for $50?

2016-07-21 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Nice watch, but not the kind that needs to be ultra thin to be appreciated. On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 10:55 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Randy, > > It's not as thin as a Skaagen, but not too thick either. > > Here is a pretty good review with pix, including a

Re: [MBZ] OT Well pump weirdness

2016-07-21 Thread Max Dillon via Mercedes
Awesome, thanks. Somewhere I have a cheap analog meter... -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 On July 21, 2016 8:49:07 AM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: >Typically, a failed starting capacitor or centrifugal switch will make >it buzz or hum on starting

Re: [MBZ] OT Well pump weirdness

2016-07-21 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Typically, a failed starting capacitor or centrifugal switch will make it buzz or hum on starting (or attempting to start) and the motor won’t spin up. “Helping” it turn will get it going. This is especially common when the motor is starting under load, such as in a pump. Find the capacitor

Re: [MBZ] OT Well pump weirdness

2016-07-21 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes
Thanks Dan, I'll take a look at those. - Max Charleston SC On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 8:34 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Starting capacitor, or possibly the centrifugal switch that disconnects > the starting capacitor. > > Dan > >

Re: [MBZ] OT Well pump weirdness

2016-07-21 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Starting capacitor, or possibly the centrifugal switch that disconnects the starting capacitor. Dan > On Jul 21, 2016, at 8:07 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes > wrote: > > > as needed during operation. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To

[MBZ] OT Well pump weirdness

2016-07-21 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes
Myers irrigation pump, 1.0 HP, I think it is the HJ model. It's about 15 years old now, sits underneath the back porch so sheltered from the sun and rain, but dirt/dust falls on it through the porch floor gaps between the 2-x-4's. It actually looks remarkably good (on the outside) for living 15

Re: [MBZ] Wildlife Camera

2016-07-21 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
According to what I have found so far, there is no suitable bait for armadillos. Believe it or not, everything suggests that you more or less figure out their travel pattern, then use physical objects to “funnel” them into a trap. Apparently their eyesight is poor so they use solid objects

[MBZ] Juvenile Justice

2016-07-21 Thread archer75--- via Mercedes
~~ Skateboarder Smashes Window of Expensive Car image: http://edge.liveleak.com/80281E/u/u/ll2/hd_video_icon.jpg The driver of this $250,000 McLaren ran a stop sign and caused a teen to fall off his skateboard in the middle of the street. His