Re: Liberty. Was: anybody still shoot film?

2005-09-30 Thread Cotty
On 29/9/05, E.R.N. Reed, discombobulated, unleashed: klingon smile I don't think I've ever seen a Klingon smile. They do when there's the scent of blood in the air. Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com

Re: Re: Liberty. Was: anybody still shoot film?

2005-09-30 Thread mike wilson
From: Tom Reese [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2005/09/29 Thu PM 08:21:15 GMT To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: Liberty. Was: anybody still shoot film? Frank Theriault replied to Mark Roberts as follows: Naw, we turned 'em back after they got as far as North Carolina in June

Re: Re: Liberty. Was: anybody still shoot film?

2005-09-30 Thread Tom Reese
Mike Wilson wrote: I've already acquired the water balloon launching apparatus. You should be careful about what you start http://www.spudtech.com/ Hey, biological weapons are a violation of international law. If you're gonna play rough then I'll have to up the ante too. Does anyone

Re: Re: Liberty. Was: anybody still shoot film?

2005-09-30 Thread mike wilson
From: Tom Reese [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2005/09/30 Fri AM 11:29:12 GMT To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: Re: Liberty. Was: anybody still shoot film? Mike Wilson wrote: I've already acquired the water balloon launching apparatus. You should be careful about what you start

Re: Re: Liberty. Was: anybody still shoot film?

2005-09-30 Thread frank theriault
On 9/30/05, mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can see the headline in the GFM local paper next year. 15 injured in shootout at Photo contest. Bugsy Reese on the run from the Feds Who gets to play the Jodie Foster role? I will. -frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri

Re: Liberty. Was: anybody still shoot film?

2005-09-30 Thread Mark Roberts
frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/29/05, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Naw, we turned 'em back after they got as far as North Carolina in June... We? LOL I was working under cover for the forces of darkness. -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing

Re: Liberty. Was: anybody still shoot film?

2005-09-30 Thread frank theriault
On 9/30/05, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was working under cover for the forces of darkness. Your accent threw me off... -frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson

Re: Liberty. Was: anybody still shoot film?

2005-09-30 Thread P. J. Alling
Now that's an image I didn't need this early in the morning. frank theriault wrote: On 9/30/05, mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can see the headline in the GFM local paper next year. 15 injured in shootout at Photo contest. Bugsy Reese on the run from the Feds Who gets to play

Re: Liberty. Was: anybody still shoot film?

2005-09-30 Thread Mark Roberts
frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/30/05, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was working under cover for the forces of darkness. Your accent threw me off... That's how I lull people into a false sense of security. I sound like I'm from Pittsburgh so no one ever suspects

Re: Liberty. Was: anybody still shoot film?

2005-09-30 Thread Doug Brewer
frank theriault wrote: On 9/30/05, mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can see the headline in the GFM local paper next year. 15 injured in shootout at Photo contest. Bugsy Reese on the run from the Feds Who gets to play the Jodie Foster role? I will. -frank why hello,

Re: Liberty. Was: anybody still shoot film?

2005-09-30 Thread P. J. Alling
Doug Brewer wrote: frank theriault wrote: On 9/30/05, mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can see the headline in the GFM local paper next year. 15 injured in shootout at Photo contest. Bugsy Reese on the run from the Feds Who gets to play the Jodie Foster role? I will. -frank

Re: Re: Liberty. Was: anybody still shoot film?

2005-09-30 Thread mike wilson
From: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2005/09/30 Fri PM 12:13:59 GMT To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: Re: Liberty. Was: anybody still shoot film? On 9/30/05, mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can see the headline in the GFM local paper next year. 15 injured

Re: Liberty. Was: anybody still shoot film?

2005-09-30 Thread Mark Roberts
mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 9/30/05, mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can see the headline in the GFM local paper next year. 15 injured in shootout at Photo contest. Bugsy Reese on the run from the Feds Who gets to play the

Re: Re: Liberty. Was: anybody still shoot film?

2005-09-30 Thread mike wilson
From: Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2005/09/30 Fri PM 02:12:42 GMT To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: Liberty. Was: anybody still shoot film? mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 9/30/05, mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote

Re: Liberty. Was: anybody still shoot film?

2005-09-30 Thread frank theriault
On 9/30/05, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's how I lull people into a false sense of security. I sound like I'm from Pittsburgh so no one ever suspects anything! ;-) LOL -frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson

Re: Liberty. Was: anybody still shoot film?

2005-09-29 Thread Cotty
On 28/9/05, William Robb, discombobulated, unleashed: We're hoping you'll trade us Florida for Quebec eventually. That so you can be closer to Castro? Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _

Re: Liberty. Was: anybody still shoot film?

2005-09-29 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Cotty Subject: Re: Liberty. Was: anybody still shoot film? On 28/9/05, William Robb, discombobulated, unleashed: We're hoping you'll trade us Florida for Quebec eventually. That so you can be closer to Castro? It's rumoured that Maggie Trudeau

Re: Liberty. Was: anybody still shoot film?

2005-09-29 Thread frank theriault
On 9/29/05, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's rumoured that Maggie Trudeau and [Castro] were lovers. Actually, I believe that was Pierre Trudeau, wasn't it? -frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson

Re: Re: Liberty. Was: anybody still shoot film?

2005-09-29 Thread mike wilson
From: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2005/09/29 Thu PM 01:33:37 GMT To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: Liberty. Was: anybody still shoot film? On 9/29/05, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's rumoured that Maggie Trudeau and [Castro] were lovers

Re: Liberty. Was: anybody still shoot film?

2005-09-29 Thread P. J. Alling
I thought it was a monogue(sp. damn I have enough trouble with English) a trois... frank theriault wrote: On 9/29/05, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's rumoured that Maggie Trudeau and [Castro] were lovers. Actually, I believe that was Pierre Trudeau, wasn't it? -frank

Re: anybody still shoot film?

2005-09-29 Thread Toralf Lund
I missed this earlier, but yes, I still shoot film... The last one I finished (in for development now) was a roll of the new(ish) Kodak Elite Colour 400UC... - T

Re: Liberty. Was: anybody still shoot film?

2005-09-29 Thread Mark Roberts
P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wait a minute, I though the Canadians had already invaded Florida. Naw, we turned 'em back after they got as far as North Carolina in June... -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com

Re: Liberty. Was: anybody still shoot film?

2005-09-29 Thread frank theriault
On 9/29/05, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Naw, we turned 'em back after they got as far as North Carolina in June... We? LOL -frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson

Re: Liberty. Was: anybody still shoot film?

2005-09-29 Thread Tom Reese
Frank Theriault replied to Mark Roberts as follows: Naw, we turned 'em back after they got as far as North Carolina in June... We? He chooses sides depending on which way the wind is blowing. He's gonna have to make a final decision soon. The winds of war are blowing a gale and all

Re: Liberty. Was: anybody still shoot film?

2005-09-29 Thread Cotty
On 29/9/05, Tom Reese, discombobulated, unleashed: I've already acquired the water balloon launching apparatus. klingon smile This will be good! Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _

Re: Liberty. Was: anybody still shoot film?

2005-09-29 Thread P. J. Alling
Supersoakers for support? Cotty wrote: On 29/9/05, Tom Reese, discombobulated, unleashed: I've already acquired the water balloon launching apparatus. klingon smile This will be good! Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|

Re: Liberty. Was: anybody still shoot film?

2005-09-29 Thread E.R.N. Reed
Cotty wrote: klingon smile I don't think I've ever seen a Klingon smile.

Re: Liberty. Was: anybody still shoot film?

2005-09-29 Thread P. J. Alling
It's hard to tell because they usually show their teeth. E.R.N. Reed wrote: Cotty wrote: klingon smile I don't think I've ever seen a Klingon smile. -- When you're worried or in doubt, Run in circles, (scream and shout).

Re: Liberty. Was: anybody still shoot film?

2005-09-28 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 9/27/2005 5:44:32 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Weren't you the one who, just a while ago, suggested keeping politics out of this discussion. Yet here you are, jumping in with both feet and moving the discussion further towards politics. LOL And yes, I

Re: Liberty. Was: anybody still shoot film?

2005-09-28 Thread Tom C
Marnie wrote: Yes, I slipped. My bad. Actually I hate the term 'my bad'. I know it came from some movie. To me it says Yeah, I made a mistake, so what?... and is designed to rid oneself of any perceived guilt they may feel over their own inadequacy, inaccuracy, or plain old screw up. At

Re: Liberty. Was: anybody still shoot film?

2005-09-28 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 9/27/2005 11:20:28 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It's a very liberal phrase to spout. :) I'm pulling your leg on most of this rhetoric, though the phrase does bug me, especially when I consider who says it in the work place. OK... very seriously, my

Re: Liberty. Was: anybody still shoot film?

2005-09-28 Thread Tom C
That's fine Marnie. :) I'm spouting off myself... on some kind of kick tonight. Last week on this job and starting a new one next week. Tom C. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: Liberty. Was: anybody still shoot film? Date

RE: Liberty. Was: anybody still shoot film?

2005-09-28 Thread Bob W
wouldn't work at all. -- Cheers, Bob -Original Message- From: Tim Sherburne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 28 September 2005 00:44 To: Pentax Discussion List Subject: Re: Liberty. Was: anybody still shoot film? I recently ran across these working definitions that go beyond

Re: Liberty. Was: anybody still shoot film?

2005-09-28 Thread dagt
It's just that words change meaning with languages and geography. Especially in politics were the winner may try to degrade the views of the opponent. Liberal is slightly on the right wing here, but may be understood as left wing in the US, and I've met americans who cant understand how we can

Re: anybody still shoot film?

2005-09-28 Thread Scott Loveless
On 9/27/05, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are two Lawrence Livermore Labs. One is classified, the other isn't. I believe it was done that way to confuse people... I don't understand. -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com -- You have to hold the button down -Arnold

Re: anybody still shoot film?

2005-09-28 Thread keith_w
Scott Loveless wrote: On 9/27/05, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are two Lawrence Livermore Labs. One is classified, the other isn't. I believe it was done that way to confuse people... I don't understand. -- Scott Loveless One LLL is the LL Rad Lab. I don't know what

Re: anybody still shoot film?

2005-09-28 Thread Tom Reese
keith_w wrote: One LLL is the LL Rad Lab. I don't know what the other one is called. The Rad Lab did all manner of weapons research, as I recall, and all highly classified... So let me get this straight. You know what they did in the top secret lab but you have no idea what they did in the

Re: anybody still shoot film?

2005-09-28 Thread keith_w
Tom Reese wrote: keith_w wrote: One LLL is the LL Rad Lab. I don't know what the other one is called. The Rad Lab did all manner of weapons research, as I recall, and all highly classified... So let me get this straight. You know what they did in the top secret lab but you have no idea

Re: anybody still shoot film?

2005-09-28 Thread graywolf
Come on now, Keith, Scott was expressing confusion... English IS your native language, isn't it? Jokes and the Internet. If it is not idiotically childish no one gets it. graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com Idiot Proof == Expert Proof --- keith_w wrote:

Re: anybody still shoot film?

2005-09-28 Thread Tom Reese
keith_w replied to me as follows: Tom Reese wrote: keith_w wrote: One LLL is the LL Rad Lab. I don't know what the other one is called. The Rad Lab did all manner of weapons research, as I recall, and all highly classified... So let me get this straight. You know what they did in

Re: anybody still shoot film?

2005-09-28 Thread P. J. Alling
It's true, you can look it up. Scott Loveless wrote: On 9/27/05, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are two Lawrence Livermore Labs. One is classified, the other isn't. I believe it was done that way to confuse people... I don't understand. -- Scott Loveless

Re: anybody still shoot film?

2005-09-28 Thread P. J. Alling
That's part of the beauty of it. If you're a spy, you know what they're doing in the classified lab, but not the details. You have no idea what they're doing in the unclassified lab, so you spend all your time trying to find out... (Ok, so that's not exactly correct, but, it's still funny).

Re: anybody still shoot film?

2005-09-28 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 9/28/2005 4:56:31 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: One LLL is the LL Rad Lab. I don't know what the other one is called. The Rad Lab did all manner of weapons research, as I recall, and all highly classified... keith whaley Now they claim they

Re: Liberty. Was: anybody still shoot film?

2005-09-28 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Wed, 28 Sep 2005 02:54:37 -0700 It's just that words change meaning with languages and geography. Especially in politics were the winner may try to degrade the views of the opponent. Liberal is slightly on the right wing here, but may be understood as left wing in the US, and I've met

Re: Liberty. Was: anybody still shoot film?

2005-09-28 Thread frank theriault
On 9/28/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip The bans on firearms, certain religious speech (Canada and Sweden in particular)snip Can't speak for Sweden, but WRT to Canada: Huh? There is neither a ban on firearms nor any ban on religious speech that I know of... cheers, frank

Re: anybody still shoot film?

2005-09-28 Thread keith_w
graywolf wrote: Come on now, Keith, Scott was expressing confusion... English IS your native language, isn't it? I know that, I _knew_ that, and yes. WHy did you feel it was necessary to point it out to me. Did I miss somethng here? I don't think I said anything to put him down or make fun

Re: anybody still shoot film?

2005-09-28 Thread keith_w
Tom Reese wrote: keith_w replied to me as follows: Tom Reese wrote: keith_w wrote: One LLL is the LL Rad Lab. I don't know what the other one is called. The Rad Lab did all manner of weapons research, as I recall, and all highly classified... So let me get this straight. You know

Re: Liberty. Was: anybody still shoot film?

2005-09-28 Thread Mark Roberts
frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/28/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip The bans on firearms, certain religious speech (Canada and Sweden in particular)snip Can't speak for Sweden, but WRT to Canada: Huh? There is neither a ban on firearms nor any ban on

Re: Liberty. Was: anybody still shoot film?

2005-09-28 Thread frank theriault
On 9/28/05, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Canada had more firearms per capita than the United States. (Of course, the population here is vastly greater, so the total number of firearms is greater than that of Canada. We're probably safe from invasion!) Well, that was the point I was

Re: Liberty. Was: anybody still shoot film?

2005-09-28 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Mark Roberts Subject: Re: Liberty. Was: anybody still shoot film? Canada had more firearms per capita than the United States. (Of course, the population here is vastly greater, so the total number of firearms is greater than that of Canada. We're

Re: Liberty. Was: anybody still shoot film?

2005-09-28 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Liberty. Was: anybody still shoot film? The bans oncertain religious speech (Canada in particular), C'est What? William Robb

Re: Liberty. Was: anybody still shoot film?

2005-09-28 Thread Tom Reese
William Robb warned: From: Mark Roberts Subject: Re: Liberty. Was: anybody still shoot film? Canada had more firearms per capita than the United States. (Of course, the population here is vastly greater, so the total number of firearms is greater than that of Canada. We're probably safe

Re: Liberty. Was: anybody still shoot film?

2005-09-28 Thread Mark Roberts
William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Mark Roberts Canada had more firearms per capita than the United States. (Of course, the population here is vastly greater, so the total number of firearms is greater than that of Canada. We're probably safe from invasion!) I bet that % and

Re: Liberty. Was: anybody still shoot film?

2005-09-28 Thread Scott Loveless
Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Liberty. Was: anybody still shoot film? The bans oncertain religious speech (Canada in particular), C'est What? William Robb -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com -- You have to hold the button down -Arnold

Re: Liberty. Was: anybody still shoot film?

2005-09-28 Thread Mark Roberts
Tom Reese [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: William Robb warned: From: Mark Roberts Canada had more firearms per capita than the United States. (Of course, the population here is vastly greater, so the total number of firearms is greater than that of Canada. We're probably safe from invasion!)

Re: Liberty. Was: anybody still shoot film?

2005-09-28 Thread John Forbes
I have to say that I thought Intelligent Design (the name is a joke in itself) was an American invention. It certainly seems to have been taken up by Americans in a much bigger way than elsewhere. And as for an unwillingness to discuss issues, I don't think Americans can claim to be

Re: Liberty. Was: anybody still shoot film?

2005-09-28 Thread Tom Reese
John Forbes As for bans on firearms: would you still want a handgun if nobody else had one? And if so, why? I'd want mine. I love target shooting with it. Tom Reese

Re: Liberty. Was: anybody still shoot film?

2005-09-28 Thread Scott Loveless
On 9/28/05, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I bet that % and number was higher when we razed yer White House too. Don't underestimate us. William Robb Just to clarify, Mr. Robb, the burning of our White House was a symbollic victory over a mostly deserted, undefended town of less than

Re: Liberty. Was: anybody still shoot film?

2005-09-28 Thread pnstenquist
As every good American knows, Canada's ability to invade the US was thoroughly analyzed in a recent episode of South Park. I don't remember exactly how it ends. I think the Canadians decide they don't want it after all. Kenny, of course, dies in defense of his country. But then Kenny dies in

Re: Liberty. Was: anybody still shoot film?

2005-09-28 Thread pnstenquist
John opined: As for a ban on firearms...(snip) Oh, oh, this is going over to guns. Time to stop boys and girls. Remember the last one? It got really, really ugly, blazed on for several weeks.

Re: Liberty. Was: anybody still shoot film?

2005-09-28 Thread frank theriault
On 9/28/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John opined: As for a ban on firearms...(snip) Oh, oh, this is going over to guns. Time to stop boys and girls. Remember the last one? It got really, really ugly, blazed on for several weeks. You're right - I wasn't intending on getting

Re: Liberty. Was: anybody still shoot film?

2005-09-28 Thread Frantisek
pcn Oh, oh, this is going over to guns. Time to stop boys and girls. pcn Remember the last one? It got really, really ugly, blazed on for several weeks. I second that. Please :) Good light! fra

Re: anybody still shoot film?

2005-09-28 Thread John Francis
On Wed, Sep 28, 2005 at 04:55:25AM -0700, keith_w wrote: Scott Loveless wrote: On 9/27/05, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are two Lawrence Livermore Labs. One is classified, the other isn't. I believe it was done that way to confuse people... I don't understand. --

Re: Liberty. Was: anybody still shoot film?

2005-09-28 Thread DagT
Den 28. sep. 2005 kl. 19.03 skrev frank theriault: On 9/28/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip The bans on firearms, certain religious speech (Canada and Sweden in particular)snip Can't speak for Sweden, but WRT to Canada: Huh? There is neither a ban on firearms nor any

Re: Liberty. Was: anybody still shoot film?

2005-09-28 Thread frank theriault
On 9/28/05, DagT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Let´s go back to photography snip I don't want to get into a discussion about religion or guns either. I simply wanted the record to reflect that it is a mis-statement to say that Canada bans firearms or restricts certain religious speech

RE: Liberty. Was: anybody still shoot film?

2005-09-28 Thread Bob W
Hi, What many of us fear is the constant reduction of freedom from the more serious socialists. The bans on firearms, certain religious speech (Canada and Sweden in particular), a general unwillingness to discuss issues but instead demagogue ideas (like Intelligent Design),

Re: Liberty. Was: anybody still shoot film?

2005-09-28 Thread mike wilson
Bob W wrote: Bellowing across the swamp about it like primeval mastodons serves no purpose. Mark.

Re: Liberty. Was: anybody still shoot film?

2005-09-28 Thread Tom C
Actually it confirms to the primeval mastadons on one side of the swamp, that there are indeed primeval mastadons on the other side. Tom C. From: mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: Liberty. Was: anybody still shoot film

Re: Liberty. Was: anybody still shoot film?

2005-09-28 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
1. There was a comma after the gun statement. It was not a designation regarding Canada. But to that point, consider Australia. 2. Regarding certain religious speech, here's a Canada example. http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2005/jun/05060808.html The problem is that the apparent exemption is a

RE: Liberty. Was: anybody still shoot film?

2005-09-28 Thread Bob W
. Was: anybody still shoot film? Bob W wrote: Bellowing across the swamp about it like primeval mastodons serves no purpose. Mark.

Re: Liberty. Was: anybody still shoot film?

2005-09-28 Thread frank theriault
On 9/28/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1. There was a comma after the gun statement. It was not a designation regarding Canada. But to that point, consider Australia. 2. Regarding certain religious speech, here's a Canada example.

Re: Liberty. Was: anybody still shoot film?

2005-09-28 Thread P. J. Alling
Older handguns are beautiful machines, as worthy of collecting as any other well made object. Additionally Government agents will always have handguns, or worse. Right now they are on the side of the angels, mostly. That could change. Even if I don't need a handgun, for that reason, I

Re: Liberty. Was: anybody still shoot film?

2005-09-28 Thread graywolf
Because they are fun to shoot. Because they can be used conveniently in indoor ranges. Because they are nifty mechanical gizmos, which is the same reason lots of folks buy cameras, or watches for that matter. People who buy them primarily as weapons need to be watched closely, in my opinion.

Re: Liberty. Was: anybody still shoot film?

2005-09-28 Thread P. J. Alling
Wait a minute, I though the Canadians had already invaded Florida. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As every good American knows, Canada's ability to invade the US was thoroughly analyzed in a recent episode of South Park. I don't remember exactly how it ends. I think the Canadians decide they don't

Re: Liberty. Was: anybody still shoot film?

2005-09-28 Thread graywolf
They invaded GFM last year. GRIN graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com Idiot Proof == Expert Proof --- P. J. Alling wrote: Wait a minute, I though the Canadians had already invaded Florida. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As every good American knows, Canada's

Re: Liberty. Was: anybody still shoot film?

2005-09-28 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Tom Reese Subject: Re: Liberty. Was: anybody still shoot film? Bah. Most of your army would quit when they reached the first Milwaukee brewery. Amarican beer? FEH!! WW

Re: Liberty. Was: anybody still shoot film?

2005-09-28 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Liberty. Was: anybody still shoot film? 1. There was a comma after the gun statement. It was not a designation regarding Canada. But to that point, consider Australia. 2. Regarding certain religious speech, here's

Re: Liberty. Was: anybody still shoot film?

2005-09-28 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: P. J. Alling Subject: Re: Liberty. Was: anybody still shoot film? Wait a minute, I though the Canadians had already invaded Florida. We're hoping you'll trade us Florida for Quebec eventually. WW

RE: Liberty. Was: anybody still shoot film?

2005-09-28 Thread Bob W
-Original Message- From: P. J. Alling [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 28 September 2005 23:13 To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: Liberty. Was: anybody still shoot film? Older handguns are beautiful machines, as worthy of collecting as any other well made object

Re: Liberty. Was: anybody still shoot film?

2005-09-28 Thread Tom Reese
DagT wrote: Let´s go back to photography and talk about attempts in the US to stop the free speech of artist like Mapplethorpe, Sally Mann, Jock Sturges, etc, as well as certain differences between European and US versions of movies, music ++.-) The Mapplethorpe controversy was about

Re: Liberty. Was: anybody still shoot film?

2005-09-28 Thread John Forbes
Quite so. By the same token, we should also watch that small minority of people who buy lenses to take pictures, rather than to fondle them as well-made objects. John On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 23:09:02 +0100, graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Because they are fun to shoot. Because they can be

Re: anybody still shoot film?

2005-09-28 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 9/28/2005 12:38:57 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It's just a separate section within the main Lab campus. It's easy enough to spot - it's the part with razor wire surrounding it, guard turrets at the corners (staffed by guys who look link they have *no*

Re: anybody still shoot film?

2005-09-28 Thread graywolf
Gee, I thought that was all done in that non-existant town in Tennesee, Oak Ridge. I lived there for a while. They really do have gun towers where other towns have welcome signs. The gun towers weren't manned at that time, but I do wonder about now? graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com

Re: Liberty. Was: anybody still shoot film?

2005-09-28 Thread P. J. Alling
I should have thought any port in a storm. William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: Tom Reese Subject: Re: Liberty. Was: anybody still shoot film? Bah. Most of your army would quit when they reached the first Milwaukee brewery. Amarican beer? FEH!! WW -- When

Re: Liberty. Was: anybody still shoot film?

2005-09-28 Thread P. J. Alling
Sorry, even we're not that stupid. William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: P. J. Alling Subject: Re: Liberty. Was: anybody still shoot film? Wait a minute, I though the Canadians had already invaded Florida. We're hoping you'll trade us Florida for Quebec eventually

Re: Liberty. Was: anybody still shoot film?

2005-09-28 Thread P. J. Alling
. Was: anybody still shoot film? Older handguns are beautiful machines, as worthy of collecting as any other well made object. Additionally Government agents will always have handguns, or worse. Right now they are on the side of the angels, mostly. That could change. Even if I don't need a handgun

Re: anybody still shoot film?

2005-09-27 Thread John Forbes
I bought a scanner four years ago with the intention of scanning all my slides. The job is barely started. I find scanning ONCE to be a major headache. But I suppose it depends whether you are scanning one or two, or thousands. John On Tue, 27 Sep 2005 04:45:24 +0100, Rob Studdert

Re: anybody still shoot film?

2005-09-27 Thread Kenneth Waller
years ago. I get great scans by just pushing the button. I don't think commercial operations can give me a better quality scan. YMMV Kenneth Waller -Original Message- From: David Mann [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: anybody still shoot film? On Sep 27, 2005, at 4:04 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi

Re: anybody still shoot film?

2005-09-27 Thread Shel Belinkoff
You'd be surprised at what you're missing ... but there's a difference between a commercial service and those who provide truly high quality scans made on top quality equipment. Shel [Original Message] From: Kenneth Waller I got tired of paying ever increasing prices for scans and bought

Re: anybody still shoot film?

2005-09-27 Thread pnstenquist
That's true, Shel. But finding someone who can actually produce great scans is a problem for most of us. I tried a $100 drum scan from the top pro lab in this area, and it was mediocre at best. A lot of correction was required. I'm currently working on a project with a very good photo

Re: anybody still shoot film?

2005-09-27 Thread Rob Studdert
On 27 Sep 2005 at 5:52, Shel Belinkoff wrote: You'd be surprised at what you're missing ... but there's a difference between a commercial service and those who provide truly high quality scans made on top quality equipment. True, pro-scans here off any type of gear are generally nothing to

Re: anybody still shoot film?

2005-09-27 Thread graywolf
With current true drum scanners (the Imacon ain't one of them) costing between $35,000 and $80,000 the number of scans you can get at $45 each is between about 80 and 1800. At the 80 figure many folks would probably be better off buying, at the 1800 figure it would be a toss up. One of the

Re: anybody still shoot film?

2005-09-27 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Hi Paul ... Your comment reminds me of the time I went into a highly-regarded restaurant in St. Louis. I saw that there were some fish dishes on the menu and I asked the waitress if they prepared fish well. She enthusiastically replied that they sure did! When the fish arrived it was terribly

Re: anybody still shoot film?

2005-09-27 Thread John Forbes
A little town like Berkeley! Shel, you make it sound like some dorp in the back of beyond. It is, I believe, one of the top university towns in a country with reputedly the best universities in the world. It would be surprising if it didn't have lots of wonderful things going for it.

Re: anybody still shoot film?

2005-09-27 Thread keith_w
John Forbes wrote: A little town like Berkeley! Shel, you make it sound like some dorp in the back of beyond. It is, I believe, one of the top university towns in a country with reputedly the best universities in the world. It would be surprising if it didn't have lots of wonderful

Re: anybody still shoot film?

2005-09-27 Thread Cotty
On 27/9/05, keith_w, discombobulated, unleashed: It's a small university town, filled to the brim and overflowing, with aged old hippies and *far* left liberal souls... Isn't there a linear accelerator there? IIRC it runs across / under the freeway? Going purely from memory of 30 years ago

Re: anybody still shoot film?

2005-09-27 Thread keith_w
Cotty wrote: On 27/9/05, keith_w, discombobulated, unleashed: It's a small university town, filled to the brim and overflowing, with aged old hippies and *far* left liberal souls... Isn't there a linear accelerator there? IIRC it runs across / under the freeway? Going purely from memory

OT: Liberty. Was: anybody still shoot film?

2005-09-27 Thread John Forbes
Can you be an old hippie without being aged? :-) But I'm glad you concede that liberals HAVE souls...! The word comes from Old French, and originally meant pertaining to a free man. Its very root means free. So why is it that in the land of the free, many people seem to like freedom

Re: anybody still shoot film?

2005-09-27 Thread Shel Belinkoff
True ... but it ~is~ a small town, both in terms of area and in population. However, it has some of the best restaurants in the San Francisco area, a wonderfully diverse population, a deep cultural life, a large number of theaters, a great university, some wonderful social aspects, art everywhere

Re: Liberty. Was: anybody still shoot film?

2005-09-27 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: John Forbes Subject: OT: Liberty. Was: anybody still shoot film? Of political opinions: Favourable to constitutional changes and legal or administrative reforms tending in the direction of freedom or democracy. Surely this is what all Americans want

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