[tw] Re: Math without plug-in

2012-10-05 Thread AndrewMc
For mathematics notation, I use MathSVGPlugin by Paulo Soares. http://www.math.ist.utl.pt/~psoares/MathSVG.html I have used this plugin for several years on many versions of TW and Firefox. Cheers Andrew Mc On Friday, October 5, 2012 11:04:49 AM UTC+13, Marc wrote: Apologies if this is a bit

[tw] Re: Math without plug-in

2012-10-04 Thread Marc
Apologies if this is a bit off-topic, but readers of this thread are obviously concerned about math notation in TW, so I'll put the question: What are you using today to get math notation in your TWs? I've tried searching generally, but haven't really found a satisfactory solution. I'm

[tw] Re: Math without plug-in

2012-10-04 Thread ramkikura
Hi, I use the jsMath plugin quite satisfactory (see http://mcard.tiddlyspot.com/, http://ehcuds.tiddlyspot.com/ or http://udsth0910.tiddlyspot.com/). It does not cover LaTex completly (I miss the possibility of using xy-diagrams- for this I upload jpeg images of diagrams previously compiled),

Re: [tw] Re: Math without plug-in

2012-02-11 Thread Jeremy Ruston
I understand the possible problems (even just corrupting data is a possible one), but have no idea of criteria to be used. The criteria will evolve no doubt. The point is that the core plugin library shouldn't just become a dumping ground of every plugin plugins from over the years, it will

[tw] Re: Math without plug-in

2012-02-10 Thread Yakov
Hello Jeremy, What do you mean by coded safely and reliably? (ok, perhaps this is not a question to discuss without an example..) Well, a poorly written plugin might fail if it encounters unexpected data, or might leak private information in HTTP headers, or might not work reliably in

Re: [tw] Re: Math without plug-in

2012-02-08 Thread Jeremy Ruston
What do you mean by coded safely and reliably? (ok, perhaps this is not a question to discuss without an example..) Well, a poorly written plugin might fail if it encounters unexpected data, or might leak private information in HTTP headers, or might not work reliably in mobile browsers, or

Re: [tw] Re: Math without plug-in

2012-02-08 Thread Jeremy Ruston
Not speaking for Jeremy of course, but I would expect all the core functionality to be enabled *not* requiring *any* server in the sense of a process with a separate IP address. If a server process is made part of core, then I would hope that it could be run on the same machine, so that TW

Re: [tw] Re: Math without plug-in

2012-02-04 Thread Jeremy Ruston
One thing that I hope to make easy in TW5 is to be able to publish your TiddlyWiki as a folder full of static HTML files that you can then whack onto a webserver, giving a very resilient, lightweight way of publishing stuff. That would be excellent. I imagine the core functionality would

[tw] Re: Math without plug-in

2012-02-04 Thread Yakov
Wow, the expectations on TW5 are huge, these are shiny perspectives. At what state is the development now? I'm thinking that the plugin library would have some very simple criteria for inclusion: - Useful to more than one person - Has adequate documentation - Has proper unit tests - Is

[tw] Re: Math without plug-in

2012-02-04 Thread HansBKK
On Sunday, February 5, 2012 4:46:19 AM UTC+7, Yakov wrote: Do you mean that the server would be needed once -- to generate those html files so that one can publish them in a DropBox, -- or rather during the process of browsing? What's the role of the server? Not speaking for Jeremy of

[tw] Re: Math without plug-in

2012-02-04 Thread HansBKK
Somewhat related but more for maintaining a master hierarchy repository TWs for meta and content rather than system (plugin and theming) tiddlers: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tiddlywiki/z1Q-_3az7bY/discussion I see you (Yakov) also participated in that, but thought I'd add the link

[tw] Re: Math without plug-in

2012-02-03 Thread Yakov
In what sense is the core too big? hpon, for me, like for Daniel, too big means TW as a web page will load too slow from web. Jeremy, I think that core plugins idea would be good when functions like import and update work solidly. Also, updating core plugin for each TW will still require some

[tw] Re: Math without plug-in

2012-02-03 Thread HansBKK
On Friday, February 3, 2012 11:51:02 PM UTC+7, Yakov wrote: too big means TW as a web page will load too slow from web +1 updating core plugin for each TW will still require some time and routine actions. It seems for me that a system which allows download a plugin and share it between

Re: [tw] Re: Math without plug-in

2012-02-03 Thread Jeremy Ruston
for me, like for Daniel, too big means TW as a web page will load too slow from web. One thing that I hope to make easy in TW5 is to be able to publish your TiddlyWiki as a folder full of static HTML files that you can then whack onto a webserver, giving a very resilient, lightweight way of

Re: [tw] Re: Math without plug-in

2012-02-03 Thread HansBKK
On Saturday, February 4, 2012 12:32:28 AM UTC+7, Jeremy Ruston wrote: One thing that I hope to make easy in TW5 is to be able to publish your TiddlyWiki as a folder full of static HTML files that you can then whack onto a webserver, giving a very resilient, lightweight way of publishing

[tw] Re: Math without plug-in

2012-02-02 Thread Tobias Beer
I think that mathematical notation should be regarded as an elimentary feature, since the purpose of TW (in my view) is to present and manage information in an effective way.  That purpose cannot be generally fullfilled without a proper support for math notation.  Plus, society as we know it

Re: [tw] Re: Math without plug-in

2012-01-31 Thread Eric Weir
On Jan 30, 2012, at 8:48 AM, Jeremy Ruston wrote: In terms of plugin distribution, I've come to believe that the present scattered nature of TiddlyWiki makes things needlessly hard for users. They have to find tiddlywiki.com, download the product, and then by reading the groups they have to

[tw] Re: Math without plug-in

2012-01-30 Thread hpon
PMario, Thanks for your reply. In what sense is the core too big? I think that mathematical notation should be regarded as an elimentary feature, since the purpose of TW (in my view) is to present and manage information in an effective way. That purpose cannot be generally fullfilled without a

Re: [tw] Re: Math without plug-in

2012-01-30 Thread Daniel Fallon
I agree with PMario. although the current implementations are difficult to get working (believe me I've tried), if you look at the size of the source of empty.html, or heck, even look at the size. about 350kb. which could be represented as a couple hundred pages of text. this is exceptional for a

Re: [tw] Re: Math without plug-in

2012-01-30 Thread Jeremy Ruston
I'm trying to design TiddlyWiki5 so that it works well with MathJax and other off-the-shelf text processing components. I'm interested in the general idea of supporting domain specific notations. So I'd be happy if TW5 could be used by choreographers (who have their own notational systems), but I

Re: [tw] Re: Math without plug-in

2012-01-30 Thread HansBKK
On Monday, January 30, 2012 8:48:18 PM UTC+7, Jeremy Ruston wrote: In terms of plugin distribution, I've come to believe that the present scattered nature of TiddlyWiki makes things needlessly hard for users. They have to find tiddlywiki.com, download the product, and then by reading the

Re: [tw] Re: Math without plug-in

2012-01-30 Thread Jeremy Ruston
TW5 comes in two packages: a conventional node.js application and the familiar single HTML file. The former is generated by the latter. Many users will choose to just pull down the HTML file from tiddlywiki.com; power users may want to install the node.js app (which is incredibly easy these days)

[tw] Re: Math without plug-in

2012-01-30 Thread PMario
On Jan 30, 11:13 am, hpon peter.norli...@gmail.com wrote: In what sense is the core too big? It simply is file size. I think that mathematical notation should be regarded as an elimentary feature, since the purpose of TW (in my view) is to present and manage information in an effective way.

[tw] Re: Math without plug-in

2012-01-29 Thread PMario
Hi hpon, I personally think, that the core (empty TiddlyWiki) is allready big enough. Some say, it is too big and stick with a version prior to jQuery. And as you say. There are some possibilities (plugins) out there, that handle the situation quite well. So what ever is included into the core,