easy listening interpretation of Kraftwerk songs
I probably missed that, but what's cd called that has these easy listening covers of kraftwerk songs? thanks chris _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.
RE: [313] hard house?
warning, this thread is moving farther and farther away from Detroit and techno so you may want to stop here unless you want to toss around theories about how this present hard/progressive house sound -- best illustrated by the recent blasphemous rape of Green Velvet's Flash -- is going to work out... I think a lot of them are turning to what's being called hard house because it doesn't have as much of the clichéd (aka cheese) stuff that makes so many people dis trance. In other words, it's a safer sound, a sort of compromise between trance and Relief-style hard house. If you're thinking those remixes are Relief-style house you need to hear more Relief releases. I'd like to see them fit an early Paul Johnson, Gemini, or Cajmere w/Dajae into their sets. Then I want to hear them do it without Pro-Tools! Ya, you guys busted me. I haven't heard many Relief records and am basing my statements purely on my ever-handy yet often inaccurate schemas. Assuming that Fred's below-listed schema is much more in tune with the traditional sound of hard house than my ill-applied analogy to Green Velvet -- I think that the popular hard house (stuff on Groovaliscious, Tripoli Trax, etc.) just took the big 909 bass kick and maybe a handclap here or there, added the old sound of the Hoover and put it all into a echo box and threw in some chorus to beef up the sound so it sounds BIG and echoey to fill big commercial clubs with silly drink specials. The sense of danger and sheer F_R_E_A_K is all but gone... -- I'm going to make the argument that a lot of the trance guys are moving to this style of hard house with a Euro-tweaked, trance-like accessible gloss strictly as a conservative way to avoid the increasing trance backlash. It's no coincidence that tracks such as Flash are being integrated into their aesthetic via compromising remixes and also that producers such as Timo Maas are so popular at the moment: In a way, these guys are playing it conservative with Euro-hard house until this trance trend subsides so that they don't fall victim to backlash. I may get flamed to death for saying this, but I think progressive house/hard house is probably the dullest music out there. It has no esoteric qualities and takes no risks (as cheesy as progressive trance may be, it at least get eccentric, though often for the worse). Yet the fact that this recent UK hard house sound being championed by the likes of Tall Paul and his other generic followers is so intentionally conservative/bland/non-esoteric makes it perfect for populist audiences. Top off a set of it with whatever that particular week's anthem is, and you've got a set all the clubbers go home happy with. ***note*** I know this is off-topic, but off-topic topics seem to be the more interesting topics this week; it's no coincidence everyone's going off on tangents. P.S. Why the hell did Green Velvet ever let Timo Maas of all people remix his trademark track? No offense to the guy -- I love his music -- but I don't think he could have picked a better artist to alienate himself from all the purists.
Re: [313] hard house alanis style
speaking of hardhousehas angel alanis put out any good hard house lately? i guess its not 313 related but uhhit is midwest ;) -v _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.
Re: [313] women and electronic music
you might wanna check some of the archived comments on the axis website. there was a discussion about women in electronic music on there a few months ago and i even saw some qoutes from miss djax, etc etc. www.axisrecords.com -v _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.
RE: [313] easy listening interpretation of Kraftwerk songs
senor coconut.. its by the german guy behind atom heart (if my memory serves correct?).. he now lives in chile and Im sure i heard that he has another lp of covers coming out soon too... j I probably missed that, but what's cd called that has these easy listening covers of kraftwerk songs? thanks chris _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Richard Harvey
In a message dated 04/10/00 19:45:04 GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And whassup with Harvey Lane, resident Lost dj, who's mixed the new User/Serial Scratch cd?! That name makes you wonder a bit, doesn't it? Up the garden lane (sorry, path) we go... I dont have a clue about his name, but he is maybe still a resident at House of God as well as Lost, although I dont actually know because I havent been there for a year or so. But he certainly used to be, and quite decent as well, I've heard him tear it up on many occasions. Birmingham or people related to it seem to be getting alot of mentions lately, which is cool as I've always reckoned Birmingham is a good city for techno. Aaron
Re: [313] hard house alanis style
It's been at least a year or two since I've heard or seen any hard house from Angel Alanis. Most of his recent releases have been underground dub house tracks, I'd venture to say that's the niche he's busy carving his name into for now. Matt E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Homepage: http://magicmattkelly.tripod.com speaking of hardhousehas angel alanis put out any good hard house lately? i guess its not 313 related but uhhit is midwest ;) -v
RE: [313] easy listening interpretation of Kraftwerk songs
I probably missed that, but what's cd called that has these easy listening covers of kraftwerk songs? thanks chris This guy is a prolific, and definately strange, producer. Here's some info provided by Lance: Respect JasonB Here is the post i sent to 313 awhile ago. And yes, the same guy who does the Senor Coconut record, Atom Heart/Uwe Schmidt, also did the Gosh 'n' Geeze record and has recorded well over 100 other records in a dizzying range of styles/guises. If you want more music from Atom Heart, check the releases on his Rather Interesting label. Maybe i'm late on this one but the other day I was discovered the new Señor Coconut double-album called El baile Alemán and in love with it's cheese filled carib-latino cover beauty. For those who arent familiar with this release, it is an entire album of Calypso/Latino/Mambo/Cuban/Salsa re-interpretations of classic Kraftwerk tracks. Also there is a newer cd single with more Kraftwerk remakes. Time to mambo with the robots! . Señor Coconut y su conjunto: El Baile Alemán cd (Emperor Norton) Tracks: - Showroom Dummies (Cha-Cha-Chá) - Radioactivity (Rumba) - Trans Europe Express (Cumbia) - The Robots (Cha-Cha-Chá) - Neon Lights (Cha-Cha-Chá) - Autobahn (Cumbia Merengue) - Homecomputer (Merengue) - Tour De France (Merengue) - The Man Machine (Baklán) - Music Non Stop (Cumbia) . Señor Coconut y su conjunto: Tour De France/Expo2000 cd (Emperor Norton) Tracks: - Tour De France (Merengue) Radio Edit - EXPO2000 (Mambo) - Tour De France (Merengue) Album Version - EXPO2000 (Mambo Instrumental)
Oct 12 - Pole, Kit Clayton, John Tejada, Low Res, Burnt Friedman, Farben
(This message contains info about the Pole show at the El Rey and the Languis Record Release party at Dublab) - Thursday, October 12, 2000, 9 pm Plug Research dublab.com present Press Play with live performances by Pole Burnt Friedman Farben Kit Clayton Low Res John Tejada + djs, Jun, Hoseh, Mannequin Lung El Rey Theater, 5515 wilshire boulevard, los angeles dublab.com-- incubator Who : Languis, dj Hoseh (dublab), dj Nobody (Ubiquity) When : Oct 14th - 9pm to 1am Where : on www.dublab.com - live event / audio and video streamed live using real player Why : To celebrate the upcoming CD release of Unithematic, by Languis For info about attending in person, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] hard house alanis style
Check this Angel set out... http://www.bassdrop.com/angel/angel.ram bottom of page Fred From: Matthew L. Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] hard house alanis style Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 19:32:34 -0500 It's been at least a year or two since I've heard or seen any hard house from Angel Alanis. Most of his recent releases have been underground dub house tracks, I'd venture to say that's the niche he's busy carving his name into for now. Matt E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Homepage: http://magicmattkelly.tripod.com speaking of hardhousehas angel alanis put out any good hard house lately? i guess its not 313 related but uhhit is midwest ;) -v - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.
!!!Underground Committee, New Archives!!!
Underground Committee New Archives Up Now: Detroit Influence 09.09.00 --- -plastik man - vokx - +8 -basic channel - c4 - basic channel -jeff mills - every dog has it's day - axis-20 -the vision - one circle - metroplex -6k - sweet sour - matrix -brian harden - matrix - moods n grooves -brian harden - horn - moods n grooves -kosmic messenger - eye to eye - plink plonk -random noise generation - insrument of change - 430 west -john tejada and arian leviste - throwback - moods n grooves -aril brikha - departure in time - transmat -ur - knights of the jaguar - ur -aztech sol - primer sol - aztech sol -derrick may and maecello - serenity - 100% pure -dwayne jensen - white - kms -random noise generation - we can survive - 430 west -drexciya fusion flats - tresor -g flame - lifeforce - pheonix g -g flame - for good - alpha DJ Fitz Session 1.0 - -a man called adam - que tal america -mateo matos - body and soul -mateo matos - swing solution -mateo matos - release the rithm -mateo matos - in the mood -mateo matos - dont ever stop lovin -mateo matos - basic elements -har you percussion group - welcome to the party -mateo matos - discocide -kerri chandler - lad broke grove -mateo matos - release the rithm t's -mateo matos - stay with me -modaji - the latin protocol j.d. http://www.undergroundcommittee.com 504.837.4783 tel 504.553.5628 tel 504.553.5627 fax Keepin' it real, keepin' it UNDERGROUND..Underground Committee.com -Home of Detroit Influence Reflections-
Re: [313] Ubiquity
http://www.ubiquityrecords.com/ - Original Message - From: FRED MCMURRY [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2000 8:59 PM Subject: [313] Ubiquity : Does anybody know about Ubiquity : : Re: : Who : Languis, dj Hoseh (dublab), dj Nobody (Ubiquity) : : I know that Roy Ayers had/has a label called Ubiquity but it's a jazz : label...I'm sure these are not the same labels. : : Fred : _ : Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. : : Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at : http://profiles.msn.com. : : : - : To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] : For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] :
Green Velvet/Cajmere
I was talking to someone about Green Velvet in Chicago but I trashed the thread...so I'm posting this on 313 because I'm sure some of you will be interested (and hopefully get this message to the person I was talking to...sorry I forgot your name), check down on October 19th: From: PURE [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PURELIST [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 20:55:28 -0500 Subject: PURE EXRA EXTRA Hey PURE People, Here are just a couple of reminders and other things we missed in our latest newsletter... Thursday Sept.28.00 at COMMUNITY ...COMMUNITY Thursdays are the best bet (at Crobar): Every week is stocked with a top-name international DJ, from Paul van Dyk and Ken Ishii to Richie Hawtin and Green Velvet. Spin Magazine November 2000 Thursday Oct.05.00 PURE presents People, Music, Culture. COMMUNITY There will be a special COMMUNITY 1.0 - John Curley Mix CD release party in the Mezzanine hosted by PURE and UR Chicago Magazine. Free drinks (10-11:30) and Free CDs. RSVP to [EMAIL PROTECTED] to attend. Ears To The East Featuring DJs: Ken Ishii / Tokyo John Curley / PURE Chicago DJ Dayhota / SuperJane Chicago Bear Who? / PURE Chicago Hosted by Devo 9PM - 4AM 21 + Crobar the nightclub 1543 N. Kingsbury, Chicago, 312.413.7000 www.crobarnightclub.com PURE 2000 cardholders (+1) and guestlist persons get in FREE to COMMUNITY all night. To get on the guestlist for COMMUNITY either call or e-mail before 7PM the day of the event with your full name and number of guests (four total - that means you +3) to: 312.409.PURE or [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please specify COMMUNITY Thursday October 5th when replying. Saturday Oct.07.00 PURE presents LIFT The Sound of Saturday Night Featuring DJs Adam Beyer / Drumcode Records, Stockholm Sweden Chad Sommer / PURE Ernie Vega / 212 Productions, Aurora Bear Who? (Upstairs) / PURE 10PM - 5AM 21 + $15 general admission RedNoFive 440 N. Halsted (at Halsted and Hubbard) Chicago 312.733.6699 PURE 2000 cardholders only get in to LIFT for $5 all night. Guestlist persons get in to LIFT for $5 before Midnight and are $10.00 after. To get on the guestlist for LIFT either call or e-mail before 7PM the day of the event with your full name and number of guests (four total - that means you +3) to: 312.409.PURE or [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please specify LIFT Saturday October 08th when replying. PURE DJ NEWS: John Curley will be opening for Moby and Hybrid this Friday October 6th at the Aragon Ballroom. Chad Sommer will playing along with Adam Beyer this Saturday Oct.07.00 at LIFT. E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] to get on the guestlist. John Curley and Chad Sommer will be playing this Sunday Oct.08.00 at Dragon Room ( 809 w. Evergreen, Chicago, 312-751-2900). E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] to get on the guestlist. (Please specify the event you would like to attend when e-mailing guestlist requests) Upcoming Events at COMMUNITY - October Thursday Oct.12.00 Bedrock USA Featuring: Jimmy Van M / Twilo NYC John Curley / PURE Chicago DJ Dayhota / SuperJane Chicago Bear Who? / PURE Chicago Thursday Oct.19.00 Alice's Wicked Wonderland Tour Featuring: Green Velvet (LIVE) DJ Cajmere (Techno Set) / Chicago John Curley / PURE Chicago DJ Dayhota / SuperJane Chicago Bear Who? / PURE Chicago Thursday Oct.26.00 Plus 8 Classics Tour Featuring: Richie Hawtin / Windsor John Acquaviva/ Balance John Curley / PURE Chicago DJ Dayhota / SuperJane Chicago Bear Who? / PURE Chicago Upcoming Events at LIFT - October Saturday Oct.14.00 LIFT Featuring DJs: Charles Little / PURE Chad Sommer / PURE Chris Walsh / PURE Saturday Oct.21.00 LIFT Featuring DJs John Debo / Axis, Boston Chad Sommer / PURE Chris Walsh / PURE www.purefuture.com _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.
Underground Committee Archives Correction
Underground Committee Archives Correction: Detroit Influence 08.28.00 --- -plastik man - vokx - +8 -basic channel - c4 - basic channel -jeff mills - every dog has it's day - axis-20 -the vision - one circle - metroplex -6k - sweet sour - matrix -brian harden - matrix - moods n grooves -brian harden - horn - moods n grooves -kosmic messenger - eye to eye - plink plonk -random noise generation - insrument of change - 430 west -john tejada and arian leviste - throwback - moods n grooves -aril brikha - departure in time - transmat -ur - knights of the jaguar - ur -aztech sol - primer sol - aztech sol -derrick may and maecello - serenity - 100% pure -dwayne jensen - white - kms -random noise generation - we can survive - 430 west -drexciya fusion flats - tresor -g flame - lifeforce - pheonix g -g flame - for good - alpha DJ Fitz Session 1.0 - -a man called adam - que tal america -mateo matos - body and soul -mateo matos - swing solution -mateo matos - release the rithm -mateo matos - in the mood -mateo matos - dont ever stop lovin -mateo matos - basic elements -har you percussion group - welcome to the party -mateo matos - discocide -kerri chandler - lad broke grove -mateo matos - release the rithm t's -mateo matos - stay with me -modaji - the latin protocol j.d. http://www.undergroundcommittee.com 504.837.4783 tel 504.553.5628 tel 504.553.5627 fax Keepin' it real, keepin' it UNDERGROUND..Underground Committee.com -Home of Detroit Influence Reflections-
RE: [313] Ubiquity
well this list is getting *totally* out of control with regard to list content, but I cant pass up any opportunity to rap about roy ayers now.. ;) roy ayers ubiquity is his band which he ran from 1970 to about 78 or so, recording many classic jazz funk lp's for polydor (most ppl know 'everybody loves the sunshine' for example..) he started his own independant label around 1980 but it was called 'Uno Melodic' - he never ran any label called ubiquity at all, this was the name of his collective/band. Ubiquity records is a general current day label run out of san fran (I think?) that has nothing to do with my main man roy.. that URL someone posted was the one for them.. hope this helps, mail if you need more info! peace jason m Thanks for fwding the link to me but I still don't know if this is the same label that Ayers started up...I can see that it could be just by the other related labels and some of the artists This I got from another site: In 1970, Roy flew the nest, settled into Manhattan and formed his own band, dubbing it Ubiquity. An ever-changing eclectic collective of musicians and vocalists, Ubiquity's music could not be pigeonholed. Funk, salsa, jazz, rock, soul, rap - all were equal parts of Ayers' vision and sound. What really tied it all together was the music's embracing of the voice as an integral instrumental component. I realized the power of the voice - I knew jazz didn't get that much play on the radio. The giants: Wes Montgomery, Cannonball Adderley, Jimmy Smith, gained a lot of recognition even though their music was primarily instrumental - but it was vocal, too. People would respond to voices. I wasn't closed, I was open to it. I had people like Edwin Birdsong, who wrote Spirit of Doo Doo - he knew hooks. I had great singers. Dee Dee Bridgewater, Edwin, Carla Vaughan, Chicas... Roy Ayers and Ubiquity were signed to Polydor that year. Thus began an astonishingly vital and prolific period that would end 12 years later and yield 20 albums. So it might very well be the same label but Ubiquity is still going...under Polydor's direction? Onward to the Polydor web site to find my answer. Fred From: JavierDrada [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] Ubiquity Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 21:12:19 -0500 http://www.ubiquityrecords.com/ - Original Message - From: FRED MCMURRY [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2000 8:59 PM Subject: [313] Ubiquity : Does anybody know about Ubiquity : : Re: : Who : Languis, dj Hoseh (dublab), dj Nobody (Ubiquity) : : I know that Roy Ayers had/has a label called Ubiquity but it's a jazz : label...I'm sure these are not the same labels. : : Fred : _ : Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. : : Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at : http://profiles.msn.com. : : : - : To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] : For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] : - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
minus . special announcement
| | | plus 8 classics online tour diary launched | the brainchild of two fanatical canadians, Richie Hawtin and John Acquaviva, plus 8 was a label born over ten years ago while never abandoning its militant and single-minded stance. resolutely independent and fiercely determined, plus 8 provided a welcoming stable to forward thinking artists from around the globe, establishing a name for itself as a progressive label that refused to pander to whim or fashion. by way of documenting and bringing to a close the end of 'phase one', plus 8 records is releasing the PLUS 8 CLASSICS CD series beginning on october 10th. in support of these releases, Richie Hawtin and John Acquaviva embark on a plus 8 classics world tour spanning over 40 dates in over fifteen countries, highlighted by 'from our minds To yours', a special anniversary event in detroit on october 28th featuring a showcase of plus 8 artists from its international roster. to document present day in motion, we're proud to announce the PLUS 8 CLASSICS ONLINE TOUR DIARY. developed on the steady habit of Hawtin's self-mailed postcard diary, both Richie and John will be entering notes and details from their travels, gigs, meals and more as they fly and drive from one date to the next. both djs will also be posting up snapshots along the way, giving fans an insider window of their combined experiences. inspired by a published diary from Brian Eno, this web-only based project will be an unedited account of the good and the bad events that make this music remain consistently on the edge! you can even have their entries emailed to you directly each day. watch for daily updates and e-postcard entries from now throughout december online at http://plus8.com | | | plus 8 sonic foundry begin redux contest | sonic foundry inc., a leading marketer of digital media and internet software tools, services and systems, announced monday that its acidplanet.com web site will act as the platform for a new redux trax creation program at http://www.sonicfoundry.com/plus8. the promotion is part of the 10th anniversary celebrations of the seminal techno label and release of its three CD retrospective plus 8 classics. end users can visit sonicfoundry.com, download a variety of loops from plus 8's extensive catalog of techno samples, and use acid xpress, a scaled down version of sonic foundry's award-winning acid pro, to create their own songs. compositions uploaded to the the plus8.com site will be reviewed by Richie Hawtin himself. Hawtin will select one track to be including in future plus 8 compilations. updates to the contest can be found at http://plus8.com as well. I never really liked the idea of the remix, says Richie. It always seemed to be too worried about recreating the past, not redefining it. In keeping with this philosophy, the redux contest was created for fans to construct completely new compositions with the use of classic plus 8 samples and cutting edge sonic foundry technology. this is all about what happens when you cross past ideas with present-day innovations, and we hope that this combination inspires some truly futuristic sonic experimentation! Our technology continues to be a leading force in audio development, states Jeff Conover, vice president of marketing at Sonic Foundy. the plus 8 redux promotion is a groundbreaking use of our technology. all submissions must be in by october 20th, so spend some quality time with your computer and show us what you've got!
RE: [313] DEMF pics
can anyone verify whether there is a festival taking place around the same time next year? I need to book in some holidays... :) jm If you feel a bit nostalgic about the DEMF, feel free to hop over to http://technotourist.org/demf I finally uploaded some of the pictures i took during the festival and i also included the review Klaas-Jan wrote. Cheers, Hans -- Hans Veneman [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.TV-99-AD.com/hans/ http://TechnoTourist.org/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] DEMF pics
yes. as of now i believe it is scheduled to take place on memorial day weekend of '01 and '02. On Thu, 5 Oct 2000, Jason Martin wrote: can anyone verify whether there is a festival taking place around the same time next year? I need to book in some holidays... :) jm If you feel a bit nostalgic about the DEMF, feel free to hop over to http://technotourist.org/demf I finally uploaded some of the pictures i took during the festival and i also included the review Klaas-Jan wrote. Cheers, Hans -- Hans Veneman [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.TV-99-AD.com/hans/ http://TechnoTourist.org/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] DEMF pics
sorry is that in may? (im australian!) ;) thanks j yes. as of now i believe it is scheduled to take place on memorial day weekend of '01 and '02. On Thu, 5 Oct 2000, Jason Martin wrote: can anyone verify whether there is a festival taking place around the same time next year? I need to book in some holidays... :) jm If you feel a bit nostalgic about the DEMF, feel free to hop over to http://technotourist.org/demf I finally uploaded some of the pictures i took during the festival and i also included the review Klaas-Jan wrote. Cheers, Hans -- Hans Veneman [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.TV-99-AD.com/hans/ http://TechnoTourist.org/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Bam Bam, was: hard house?
Joel Fernandez wrote: sure you can include DJ Irene, DJ Bam Bam, Kevin Irving and Mark V Poogie do you mean bam bam of where's your child -fame? that old chicago acid classic? if so, what's this guy doing nowadays? / sakke -- work http://www.teraflops.com/ personal http://www.vip.fi/~sakke/
Re: [313] re:313 mo moby/cybersonik
i don't know about the tour, but the 12 (plus 8016) is from 1991 (and still kickin') Christian Bloch www.mp3.com/bloch Tresor/Simple Music/LL/Funque Droppings/Deep Night Essentials - Original Message - From: Jim Grindle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2000 11:03 PM Subject: [313] re:313 mo moby/cybersonik You mean Cybersonik( Dan Bell Richie Hawtin) w/ DJ John Acquaviva right? Was that late 92 or early 93 I saw that tour in Atlanta but don't remember the year..doh! - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] hawtin
From within : three volumes of it, released under the Fax and M-Nus labels (probably depends on what part of the world you are in though) ; ambient stuff, the first volume was OK, the reviews I've read for the other two were not really enthusiastic... Gwendal -Original Message- From: Lisa McEntire [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2000 11:41 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] hawtin Hey I heard that Richie Hawtin and Pete Namlook did a thing 2gether and I was wondering if anyone new anything about it and if it was worth getting. Thanx Angel 0 0 vv __ ___ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Bam Bam, was: hard house?
Joel Fernandez wrote: sure you can include DJ Irene, DJ Bam Bam, Kevin Irving and Mark V Poogie Sakari Karipuro: do you mean bam bam of where's your child -fame? that old chicago acid classic? if so, what's this guy doing nowadays? No, DJ Bam Bam is an other (white) guy that spins this L.A. -kinda hard house. The real Bam Bam, last time I heard of him was somewhere in -95, he made some acid and house recs... Proffit _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.
Re: [313] mills silliness
Well, I'm just upset that he hasn't played in Chicago considering he lives and works here. The only opportunities that I would get to see him is when he plays in Toronto. Is there an explanation why he doesn't play out in Chicago? I interviewed Jeff for Jockey Slut last week (I'll post it to the list soon) and we touched on this subject. Here's what he said (these quotes don't appear in the finished 1400 word piece), which kinda points to an answer to your question. I suppose that it goes back to the reason why I moved to Chicago in the first place. It was mainly because of the perspectives. There [Chicago] is a location from where I can look at Europe from a distance and Detroit from a distance, and I don't have to run my business from right in the middle of things. So if I want to escape from it I can very simply just not go to my office and I can forget about it. I don't see anyone walking down the street that was at a party I did last night or something like that. I spend more time in Europe than I do in the States, I have family in Chicago and all my family is in the States, but my daughter is in Germany. So I have interests on both sides, you know. I was not born in the city [Chicago], I moved there from New York and I moved to New York from Detroit, so it was partially out of strategic desire and I found New York to be a little bit too political and difficult to run a very small, simple record company. I love the fact that he refers to Axis as a 'very small simple record company', too! TOM
RE: [313] easy listening interpretation of Kraftwerk songs
Hi, Cenor Coconut = Atom Heart = Atom TM = Geez'n'Gosh = Uwe Schmidt Recently he released XXX album as Atom TM feat Tea Time - absolutely wicked latino/easy listening/gangsta rap (!!) hybrid with hispano-teutonic xxx vocals. There's one track on it which samples Ice-T's intro to Home Invasion - all this suck my motherf***in' d**k stuff over excellent digital beats. As Geez'n'Gosh he, also recently, did a superb religious album My Life With Jesus, more serious, less funny, abstract digital sounds over clinical beats, more in the vein of Sutekh and other PowerMac stuff. He is also one half of Flanger, who did excellent album on Ninja Tune's sublabel NTone - second album out this or next month. The other half of Flanger is Burnt Friedman peace, ]m[ maciek sienkiewicz
off topic
I am quiet desperate looking for an 'old' pre-powerpc version of cubase (probably version 3.0 or 3.5) for my 68k Mac. Please e-mail me private. Thanx a lot B - Out Bart Wolff J.S. Ruppertstraat 26-2 1069 KL Amsterdam Netherlands _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.
Mike Grant House Mix Track ID
Does anyone know what beautiful track Mike Grant plays in his House Mix from Frequencydetroit.com between minute 59:14 and 01:01:00 ?? http://www.frequencydetroit.com/August%20Mixes/mike%20grant1hq.mp3 Thanks ! _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.
tune id?
i recently heard a a mix called jeff mills live at doornroosje. don't know if it really is jeff, though. the mix opens with a filtered technohouse track that contains a sample for the theme from the tv show heart to heart. (yeah, sounds cheesey i know), but i always liked that theme music, and i *need* to find out what the track is... thanks - chris
Re: [313] Hip-hop
Speaking of hip hop... just got Notorious K.I.M. ... and what is sampled throughout the majority of track #2? to my infinite surprise (but then, it fits so well...) French Kiss... hope lil louis is getting paid... peace, h
Re: [313] Bam Bam, was: hard house?
No, DJ Bam Bam is an other (white) guy that spins this L.A. -kinda hard house. The real Bam Bam, last time I heard of him was somewhere in -95, he made some acid and house recs... ++ ok... i was talking about this the other day, and i'm not sure if i'm correct bam bam had a couple of records on Sex Trax... now, is this label and the style of music put out considered wild pitch? i always thought that dj duke and that hard tracky style of he and his cohorts, including bam bam, was wild pitch. comments, corrections? and what is dj duke doing nowadays? peace, h
synthetic communication
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DEMF 2001
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Re: [313] DEMF 2001
as far as I, and the rest of Detroit knowsyes. From: Silfert Van Oudheusden [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] DEMF 2001 Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 12:03:48 GMT Will there be a DEMF 2001 ? _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.
Re: [313] Richard Harvey
Harvey's still one of the resisdents at the House of God, saw him there last weekend, played a nice warm up set for steve glencross. even more confusingly he also works at integrale musique. Didn't know he was resident at lost as well. Stuart Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 20:20:04 EDT To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [313] Richard Harvey Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 04/10/00 19:45:04 GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And whassup with Harvey Lane, resident Lost dj, who's mixed the new User/Serial Scratch cd?! That name makes you wonder a bit, doesn't it? Up the garden lane (sorry, path) we go... I dont have a clue about his name, but he is maybe still a resident at House of God as well as Lost, although I dont actually know because I havent been there for a year or so. But he certainly used to be, and quite decent as well, I've heard him tear it up on many occasions. Birmingham or people related to it seem to be getting alot of mentions lately, which is cool as I've always reckoned Birmingham is a good city for techno. Aaron -- _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.
Re: [313] DEMF 2001
There is a contract with the city for 3 years. So at least we have 2 more years. -stacey In a message dated Thu, 5 Oct 2000 8:04:47 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Silfert Van Oudheusden [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Will there be a DEMF 2001 ? _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
christian vogel article
While swimming through the waves near the coast of Chile, Cristian Vogel saw a sign on the beach. And laughed his head off. It suplied the prolific technoproducer with a title for his new album. But mind you, Rescate 137 is not a techno album. I'm reaching out for a new audience. Rescate 137 is out on Nova-Mute Records, as is his single Whipaspank with remixes by Cylob Tubejerk. Article uploaded @ Forcefield ___ forcefield | mindless entertainment http://www.forcefield.org _ __ ___
Re: [313] women and electronic music
One place to look is the archives for 313, IDM, Analogue Heaven (all at hyperreal.org -- not searchable, but hey, that's why they call it research) as the topic of women djs is one of those monsters topic that periodically raises it's head from the muck, bellows for a while, and subsides. Another good place to get a right earful is the siterdjs mailing list, started by the inimitable DJ Dazy -- http://www.sisterdjs.com And you can try contacting some of the women who have done it themselves. Kelli Hand of course comes to mind, but also Riz Mazlen (Neotropic, Small Fish with Spine), Mira Calyx (from Warp), DJ Rap... In Iowa there are some well respected women who DJ -- DJ Miche, Mary Cuddahy, Lady Espina, and K-Murder -- relocated to Detroit recently btw. As to why more women aren't doing it, it beats me. Sexism is a factor everywhere, but there's nothing preventing women from buying 1200s or Cubase and figuring it out. More power to 'em. It could be that women are just more sensible than men, and DJing and making music are frivolous activities. My wife calls it an expensive hobby. kent williams -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.mp3.com/chaircrusher -- tunes http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=chaircrusher -- mix On Wed, 4 Oct 2000, b3kka wrote: hi everyone, I've been around in the so called scene for some years now and well...i'm really interested in the entire area of women (and the lack of) involved in the electronic music scene. ie. producers, djs, record collectors, etc. SO, i'm thinking about writing my dissertation on the topic cuz it really irks me how this is an area that has been just about completely neglected in most of the literature (books, articles) dealing with electronic music i've gotten around to reading. so if any of you have leads of people i should talk to or are willing to talk to me about your own experiences in the so called scene...from any angle i'd REALLY REALLY appreciate it. BACKGROUND: for those of you who don't know me. i'm originally from windsor...got a master's from WSU in detroit and am currently workin on my phd at uiowa in communication studies and would LOVE to make this my project for the rest of my career as a student. so at the moment i'm interested in feedback, which is more than appreciated. what do u all think? worthwhile project? thanks SO much, bekka =) NetZero Free Internet Access and Email_ Download Now http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html Request a CDROM 1-800-333-3633 ___ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
R: [313] women and electronic music
As to why more women aren't doing it, it beats me. Sexism is a factor everywhere One thing I've always noticed is the abnormally high number of males compared to females in techno clubs worldwide. I think its just the appealI mean it obviusly appeals more to men than women. So considering that female djs are already scarce, couple that with the macho appeal of technothere you have it! No women djs! bye fab
Re: [313] DEMF 2001
The city of Detroit committed to a three year deal, meaning we have *at least* two more festivals gauranteed :) From: Silfert Van Oudheusden [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] DEMF 2001 Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 12:03:48 GMT Will there be a DEMF 2001 ? _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.
Re: [313] R: [313] women and electronic music
Hi ppl, As to why more women aren't doing it, it beats me. Sexism is a factor everywhere One thing I've always noticed is the abnormally high number of males compared to females in techno clubs worldwide. I think its just the appealI mean it obviusly appeals more to men than women. So considering that female djs are already scarce, couple that with the macho appeal of technothere you have it! No women djs! So you're saying that girls like soft, girly music instead? Maybe girls just aren't as creative, or are concerned with other things... I dunno... l8r, Nick (Dj Pacific:) __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/
Re: [313] women and electronic music
i agree on the money issue. I've wanted to buy turntables since I began college-but can never manage to scrape up the money for 2 three hundred $ tables,a mixer and so on. I have enough records and have the itch...but am doomed by the 'practical angel' that sits on on my shoulder. as for the ratio of men vs. women in the club atmosphere, its very true and something that didn't even hit me till it was pointed out to me. there are a lot more females coming up now though and i think the media rise of DJ Rap had a lot to do with IMHO...and its about time. d From: Kent williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: b3kka [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] women and electronic music Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 09:12:37 -0500 (CDT) One place to look is the archives for 313, IDM, Analogue Heaven (all at hyperreal.org -- not searchable, but hey, that's why they call it research) as the topic of women djs is one of those monsters topic that periodically raises it's head from the muck, bellows for a while, and subsides. Another good place to get a right earful is the siterdjs mailing list, started by the inimitable DJ Dazy -- http://www.sisterdjs.com And you can try contacting some of the women who have done it themselves. Kelli Hand of course comes to mind, but also Riz Mazlen (Neotropic, Small Fish with Spine), Mira Calyx (from Warp), DJ Rap... In Iowa there are some well respected women who DJ -- DJ Miche, Mary Cuddahy, Lady Espina, and K-Murder -- relocated to Detroit recently btw. As to why more women aren't doing it, it beats me. Sexism is a factor everywhere, but there's nothing preventing women from buying 1200s or Cubase and figuring it out. More power to 'em. It could be that women are just more sensible than men, and DJing and making music are frivolous activities. My wife calls it an expensive hobby. kent williams -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.mp3.com/chaircrusher -- tunes http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=chaircrusher -- mix On Wed, 4 Oct 2000, b3kka wrote: hi everyone, I've been around in the so called scene for some years now and well...i'm really interested in the entire area of women (and the lack of) involved in the electronic music scene. ie. producers, djs, record collectors, etc. SO, i'm thinking about writing my dissertation on the topic cuz it really irks me how this is an area that has been just about completely neglected in most of the literature (books, articles) dealing with electronic music i've gotten around to reading. so if any of you have leads of people i should talk to or are willing to talk to me about your own experiences in the so called scene...from any angle i'd REALLY REALLY appreciate it. BACKGROUND: for those of you who don't know me. i'm originally from windsor...got a master's from WSU in detroit and am currently workin on my phd at uiowa in communication studies and would LOVE to make this my project for the rest of my career as a student. so at the moment i'm interested in feedback, which is more than appreciated. what do u all think? worthwhile project? thanks SO much, bekka =) NetZero Free Internet Access and Email_ Download Now http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html Request a CDROM 1-800-333-3633 ___ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.
RE: [313] R: [313] women and electronic music
Yes, so it is a world wide problem with mostly man visiting techno parties. I wonder why? ;-) But even in Italy who would have tought. And then you go and visit house parties and the place is filled with woman. Wondering why? Jan Claeyssens -Original Message- From: fab137 [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 4:25 PM To: Kent williams; 313@hyperreal.org Subject:[313] R: [313] women and electronic music As to why more women aren't doing it, it beats me. Sexism is a factor everywhere One thing I've always noticed is the abnormally high number of males compared to females in techno clubs worldwide. I think its just the appealI mean it obviusly appeals more to men than women. So considering that female djs are already scarce, couple that with the macho appeal of technothere you have it! No women djs! bye fab - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] R: [313] women and electronic music
One major biological reason seems to be that women simply aren't as obsessive as men (sure, there are exceptions as with all things). Obsessiveness (hmm, my spell checker doesn't recognise this word!!) is a key factor in the time it takes to learn to DJ, learn to write tracks etc. This is pointed out quite early on in Last Night A DJ Saved My Life, which I have just started to read! cheers, Dan http://www.mp3.com/DanButler http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1267/index.html -Original Message- From: fab137 [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 October 2000 15:25 To: Kent williams; 313 Subject: [313] R: [313] women and electronic music As to why more women aren't doing it, it beats me. Sexism is a factor everywhere One thing I've always noticed is the abnormally high number of males compared to females in techno clubs worldwide. I think its just the appealI mean it obviusly appeals more to men than women. So considering that female djs are already scarce, couple that with the macho appeal of technothere you have it! No women djs! bye fab - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] hard house alanis style
in feb or mar he produced a wierd psyhadelic trance record. i have to admit it was OK...heard it on satellite records web page. jeff -Original Message- From: Matthew L. Thompson [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2000 5:33 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] hard house alanis style It's been at least a year or two since I've heard or seen any hard house from Angel Alanis. Most of his recent releases have been underground dub house tracks, I'd venture to say that's the niche he's busy carving his name into for now. Matt E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Homepage: http://magicmattkelly.tripod.com speaking of hardhousehas angel alanis put out any good hard house lately? i guess its not 313 related but uhhit is midwest ;) -v - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] mills silliness
thank you for sharing this dialogue with us. I look forward to reading your piece. Five
Re: [313] Hip-hop
yeah I saw her perform on The Chris Rock show and French Kiss was in the background. I really like her first album and image but she looks horrible now and that first single is garbage. I hope her career didn't die with Biggie. Five
Re: [313] R: [313] women and electronic music
k, u didn't just say women are less creative now did you. cuz i don't think that's the case at all. hence my project, to dispell such myths and get to the real issues...of which i believe there are many practical and theoretical aspects. but not the idea that women are less creative...by any means...or this notion of girly music. bekka. - Original Message - From: Nick Walsh [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: fab137 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 10:30 AM Subject: Re: [313] R: [313] women and electronic music So you're saying that girls like soft, girly music instead? Maybe girls just aren't as creative, or are concerned with other things... I dunno... ___ Why pay for something you could get for free? NetZero provides FREE Internet Access and Email http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html
Re: [313] DEMF 2001
At 14:27 5-10-00 GMT, you wrote: The city of Detroit committed to a three year deal, meaning we have *at least* two more festivals gauranteed :) From: Silfert Van Oudheusden [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] DEMF 2001 Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 12:03:48 GMT Will there be a DEMF 2001 ? Yep 'course DEMF (nr 1) was pretty good. I'll have start saving money for ticket Amsterdam - Detroit and hoping it'll have a different though very smashing programm. Different because when festivals are repeating itself (planning the same artists) it will loose its magic touch. (I'll have a look for those 'old' Palais Schaumburg records :-) greetings Pieter Pieter Lub Universiteitsbibliotheek Amsterdam / Amsterdam University Library Interbibliothecair Leenverkeer / Inter Library Loan Postbus 19185 NL-1000 GD Amsterdam The Netherlands e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http ://www.uba.uva.nl http ://www.uba.uva.nl/nl/diensten/ibl.html http ://www.tv-99-ad.com http ://www.mp3.com/artists/30/tv99ad.html tel. + 31 (0)20-525 2322 fax + 31 (0)20-623 6070
Re: [313] women and electronic music
don't know anything aboutt DJ Rap???
Re: [313] R: [313] women and electronic music
BIOLOGICAL bullshit. From just reading the list, there are a lot women DJs out there. I haven't heard of all these women but I'm about to log on to the sisterdjs.com list. The music industry like everything else is male dominated. That's probably why we/I don't know about these women. They are out there but who's promoting them? KHand had to stop to giving info to this list because sexist men wanted to compete with her gigs. Sexism says that women Djs are not real Djs. Five
Re: [313] R: [313] women and electronic music
u really think it's a question of obsessiveness?! what about the gatekeeping factors and everything else that women have to endure to make it in a predominantly male scene. i can't believe u just said that! or the fact that technological has predominantly been seen and treated as part of the public sphere which has until recently been occupied solely by men? there are a ton of factors that come into play here. women are not BIOLOGICALLY less obsessive than men...it's CULTURAL and not biological. k, i'll try to stop now. but this project is definitely going to happen. so for everyone who's responded to my plea for help thus far...thank u very much and you'll be hearing from me soon...cuz it's about time. bekka. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] One major biological reason seems to be that women simply aren't as obsessive as men (sure, there are exceptions as with all things). Obsessiveness (hmm, my spell checker doesn't recognise this word!!) is a key factor in the time it takes to learn to DJ, learn to write tracks etc NetZero Free Internet Access and Email_ Download Now http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html Request a CDROM 1-800-333-3633 ___
Re: [313] R: [313] women and electronic music
IOLOGICAL bullshit. From just reading the list, there are a lot women DJs out there. I haven't heard of all these women but I'm about to log on to the sisterdjs.com list. The music industry like everything else is male dominated. That's probably why we/I don't know about these women. They are out there but who's promoting them? KHand had to stop to giving info to this list because sexist men wanted to compete with her gigs. Sexism says that women Djs are not real Djs. Five
Re: [313] R: [313] women and electronic music
i was very intimated during the very few times i've djed in public, and i'm still intimated when i have to prove to other djs, usually males, that i know what i'm doing. at times, i feel as if i can be nothing more that the dj whore trailing all the djs. i get really self-conscious when i'm the only female trainspotting, even though i know i only go to clubs to see djs, to watch their techniques, and to hear records i might want to buy. i also, i spin primarily techno in the realm of mills, beyer, surgeon, etc., and it's hard enough finding female techno role models who spin this type of techno. i haven't even found an african american female role model ever. it seems that a lot of female spin house or more housy techno, so i'm also happy to find female djs spinning more harder or weirder stuff. currently i'm not djing anymore for reasons beyond my control. maia --On Thu, Oct 5, 2000 4:25 PM +0200 fab137 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As to why more women aren't doing it, it beats me. Sexism is a factor everywhere One thing I've always noticed is the abnormally high number of males compared to females in techno clubs worldwide. I think its just the appealI mean it obviusly appeals more to men than women. So considering that female djs are already scarce, couple that with the macho appeal of technothere you have it! No women djs! bye fab - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] R: [313] women and electronic music
--- b3kka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: k, u didn't just say women are less creative now did you. cuz i don't think that's the case at all. hence my project, to dispell such myths and get to the real issues...of which i believe there are many practical and theoretical aspects. but not the idea that women are less creative...by any means...or this notion of girly music. Yeah, this is what I thought, I reckon a lot of girls just can't be bothered. You get woman painters and sculpters etc, they just don't wanna get involved with music so much tho... Controversy is a good tool for getting conversation No offence with that less creative statement... l8r, Nick(Dj Pacific:) __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/
Re: [313] R: [313] women and electronic music
thanks for sharing that Maia. Let us know when you are spinning again. I hear you. Five
Kraftwerk - Music Non Stop
This is a universal message to anyone who can save me: I am sitting here at work listening to 'Music Non Stop' when it hits me that I have a track which samples a small section of the chorus melody. I don't know who it is, and it is driving me crazy. I can't wait until I get home and then have to trawl through my entire collection, so... Hang on: Could it be Model 500?? It think I have it! Um... which track? Anyone? * isn't it amazing how these things come to you..? Stumped, Nik _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.
Re: [313] R: [313] women and electronic music
Sexism says that women Djs are not real Djs. I don't think so... They have women's football... that's a male dominated scene. If they wanna do it they can, the likes of K.Hand prove this. They just don't get involved, they're in no more danger in the dj box than if they were on the dancefloor. The toilets is where you get mugged anyhow... What are they scared of? Most male dj's and promoters I know want more women in the scene... l8r, Nick (Dj Pacific:) __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/
RE: [313] R: [313] women and electronic music
i debate. As I sit here and listen to this CD i got asked to review (St.Germain,Tourist) my FIRST instict was that i wanted it on vinyl. when i hear a track I have to stop my conversation to listen to it or point it out or find out what it is. passion does not know gender, my friend. d From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [313] R: [313] women and electronic music Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 15:32:22 +0100 One major biological reason seems to be that women simply aren't as obsessive as men (sure, there are exceptions as with all things). Obsessiveness (hmm, my spell checker doesn't recognise this word!!) is a key factor in the time it takes to learn to DJ, learn to write tracks etc. This is pointed out quite early on in Last Night A DJ Saved My Life, which I have just started to read! cheers, Dan http://www.mp3.com/DanButler http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1267/index.html -Original Message- From: fab137 [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 October 2000 15:25 To:Kent williams; 313 Subject: [313] R: [313] women and electronic music As to why more women aren't doing it, it beats me. Sexism is a factor everywhere One thing I've always noticed is the abnormally high number of males compared to females in techno clubs worldwide. I think its just the appealI mean it obviusly appeals more to men than women. So considering that female djs are already scarce, couple that with the macho appeal of technothere you have it! No women djs! bye fab - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.
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--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i was very intimated during the very few times i've djed in public, and i'm still intimated when i have to prove to other djs, usually males, that i know what i'm doing. at times, i feel as if i can be nothing more that the dj whore trailing all the djs. i get really self-conscious when i'm the only female trainspotting, even though i know i only go to clubs to see djs, to watch their techniques, and to hear records i might want to buy. i also, i spin primarily techno in the realm of mills, beyer, surgeon, etc., and it's hard enough finding female techno role models who spin this type of techno. i haven't even found an african american female role model ever. it seems that a lot of female spin house or more housy techno, so i'm also happy to find female djs spinning more harder or weirder stuff. currently i'm not djing anymore for reasons beyond my control. It all depends how much you want it. Dj Kemistry... she wasn't into puffy commercial house. All the guys she worked with supported her and Storm. I'm the only detroitist in my area. In fact I'm not biased towards detroit, I play what I like but all the djs at the old pirate station I used to play at were djing pretty commercial stuff (trance). It rocked 'em tho...:) It was like me vs them in my mind... and still is cuz I'm really a very shy person... I need to prove myself... l8r, Nick (Dj Pacific:) __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/
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Here in Belgium 2 of my friends are quite succesfull woman dj's (Dj stephanie and Trish) and one of them is even the resident DJ in FUSE in Brussels. If you want to I can ask them to contact you. Just let me know. JayCee -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 4:51 PM To: fab137 Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject:Re: [313] R: [313] women and electronic music i was very intimated during the very few times i've djed in public, and i'm still intimated when i have to prove to other djs, usually males, that i know what i'm doing. at times, i feel as if i can be nothing more that the dj whore trailing all the djs. i get really self-conscious when i'm the only female trainspotting, even though i know i only go to clubs to see djs, to watch their techniques, and to hear records i might want to buy. i also, i spin primarily techno in the realm of mills, beyer, surgeon, etc., and it's hard enough finding female techno role models who spin this type of techno. i haven't even found an african american female role model ever. it seems that a lot of female spin house or more housy techno, so i'm also happy to find female djs spinning more harder or weirder stuff. currently i'm not djing anymore for reasons beyond my control. maia --On Thu, Oct 5, 2000 4:25 PM +0200 fab137 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As to why more women aren't doing it, it beats me. Sexism is a factor everywhere One thing I've always noticed is the abnormally high number of males compared to females in techno clubs worldwide. I think its just the appealI mean it obviusly appeals more to men than women. So considering that female djs are already scarce, couple that with the macho appeal of technothere you have it! No women djs! bye fab - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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you know some nice guys.
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I was involved with a crew in columbus that promoted/supported women dj's and musicians in the exact same manner as any male dj's. Personally, I think women have a better natural ability to pick up on dj'ing and producing music. Biologically it's been shown that women have a predisposed talent in detail-oriented tasks; something definitely worthwhile when learning to beatmatch, or make music. I'll never forget the first time my girlfriend went to my turntables...she matched a beat on her very first try. Luck? Doubt it...she had a natural knack. She showed the same talent when she all of the sudden decided to make a track on her own. So why aren't there more? My thought is that a lot of girls lack the confidence to really go for it. Let me explain myself before I get scorched =] Confidence is probably hard to come by for a lot of women because it is such a male dominated scene right now. Plus, there are going to be skeptics who expect women dj's to prove themselves...that equates to more work to get to the same point as a male in some cases. Some may not even think about trying it if they don't see other women doing the same thing... Again though, I was lucky to be involved in a crew where we did support the female talent...if you're good, you're good. I for one really enjoy seeing women behind the decks; on the whole, the women dj's I've seen have been extremely charismatic and could really get the crowd pumping. GYS -Original Message- From: Nick Walsh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 11:02 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] R: [313] women and electronic music Sexism says that women Djs are not real Djs. I don't think so... They have women's football... that's a male dominated scene. If they wanna do it they can, the likes of K.Hand prove this. They just don't get involved, they're in no more danger in the dj box than if they were on the dancefloor. The toilets is where you get mugged anyhow... What are they scared of? Most male dj's and promoters I know want more women in the scene... l8r, Nick (Dj Pacific:) __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Isn't that a bit of a sweeping statement in itself - it's cultural, not biological? Sure, there must be hundreds of factors why women aren't as well presented as men, that's the whole point in undertaking such a difficult project right? I was simply pointing out one factor that immediately occurs to me. I'd say most people on this list are at least a little obsessive about techno, that's the reason we read it day in day out. cheers, Dan http://www.mp3.com/DanButler http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1267/index.html -Original Message- From: b3kka [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 October 2000 14:48 To: 313 Subject: Re: [313] R: [313] women and electronic music u really think it's a question of obsessiveness?! what about the gatekeeping factors and everything else that women have to endure to make it in a predominantly male scene. i can't believe u just said that! or the fact that technological has predominantly been seen and treated as part of the public sphere which has until recently been occupied solely by men? there are a ton of factors that come into play here. women are not BIOLOGICALLY less obsessive than men...it's CULTURAL and not biological. k, i'll try to stop now. but this project is definitely going to happen. so for everyone who's responded to my plea for help thus far...thank u very much and you'll be hearing from me soon...cuz it's about time. bekka. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] One major biological reason seems to be that women simply aren't as obsessive as men (sure, there are exceptions as with all things). Obsessiveness (hmm, my spell checker doesn't recognise this word!!) is a key factor in the time it takes to learn to DJ, learn to write tracks etc NetZero Free Internet Access and Email_ Download Now http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html Request a CDROM 1-800-333-3633 ___ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
the women and art thing...
I have an idea about this too... From my experiences and studies, I find that men are way more emotional and unstable than women (despite popular belief). I think that the reason artist tend to be men is that they are the ones who have trouble coping, where as women tend to see the world in a more understanding light. In my grandma's words, women care about plowing the fields and feeding the babies while men care about big abstract ideas... I have been promoting and doing art for about a decade, and my family is involved in the professional art scene here in Cleveland, and only once or twice have I heard a sexist comment of any real weight... And *never* once has anyone booked someone because there are or aren't a women... I don't know, I find women to simple be more observant in the art world because, well, because they seem to find it silly, albeit interesting... darw_n create, demonstrate, toneshift... http://www.mp3.com/darw_n http://www.sphereproductions.com/topic/Darwin.html http://www.mannequinodd.com
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I don't doubt that you are as passionate about it is anyone else. But then what's this list's ratio of men to women? No less than the ratio in most techno/electronic music clubs I'll wager. Dan -Original Message- From: Diana Potts [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 October 2000 16:07 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [313] R: [313] women and electronic music i debate. As I sit here and listen to this CD i got asked to review (St.Germain,Tourist) my FIRST instict was that i wanted it on vinyl. when i hear a track I have to stop my conversation to listen to it or point it out or find out what it is. passion does not know gender, my friend. d From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [313] R: [313] women and electronic music Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 15:32:22 +0100 One major biological reason seems to be that women simply aren't as obsessive as men (sure, there are exceptions as with all things). Obsessiveness (hmm, my spell checker doesn't recognise this word!!) is a key factor in the time it takes to learn to DJ, learn to write tracks etc. This is pointed out quite early on in Last Night A DJ Saved My Life, which I have just started to read! cheers, Dan http://www.mp3.com/DanButler http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1267/index.html -Original Message- From: fab137 [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 October 2000 15:25 To: Kent williams; 313 Subject: [313] R: [313] women and electronic music As to why more women aren't doing it, it beats me. Sexism is a factor everywhere One thing I've always noticed is the abnormally high number of males compared to females in techno clubs worldwide. I think its just the appealI mean it obviusly appeals more to men than women. So considering that female djs are already scarce, couple that with the macho appeal of technothere you have it! No women djs! bye fab - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.
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quality, not quantity. hehe, well you always have something clever to say, LOL;) It is true that there are loads of ppl on this list that never ever make a contribution. I don't know how this is related to girls djing and producing and getting involved in the scene tho. l8r, Nick:) __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/
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hmmm... sisterdj's. if you are on 313, chances are.. you won't really dig sisterdj's. it's a girl power list. which is ok, but get's old after a week. at least that was my experience for the week i was subscribed. not too mention majority of the content revolved around jungle. (no disrespect to the junglists... just not my cup of tea.) __ Manika K Arora www.umich.edu/~shanthi On Thu, 5 Oct 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BIOLOGICAL bullshit. From just reading the list, there are a lot women DJs out there. I haven't heard of all these women but I'm about to log on to the sisterdjs.com list. The music industry like everything else is male dominated. That's probably why we/I don't know about these women. They are out there but who's promoting them? KHand had to stop to giving info to this list because sexist men wanted to compete with her gigs. Sexism says that women Djs are not real Djs. Five - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Nothing to do with the famous ele-mental crew? I heard they're kind of open minded. I (indirectly) know Titonton... Really nice guy... Anyway, I prefer the equality stance as opposed to the one is better than the other way of thinking which seems to be so popular these days... l8r, Nick:) __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/
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I think this is definitely socio-cultural, more so than biological. The reason being- this is not native to electronic music - this is true to about 80% (guesstimation) of specialized fields of study, work, arts, etc. I'm sure you could join mailing lists on any style of music and find the same thread. And generally I think its not the attitude of the scene itself that suppresses female representation, but something that has been plagueing society for ages. I think its totally lame when people try to pinpoint this problem to something so scene-specific as repetitive music or some aspect that just kind of repels women- you need to look at the bigger picture. Thats the only way we're really going to overcome a problem of this magnitude. You can start taking action in a specific corner of society- but you've gotta realize that thats just the beginning. or to coin a phrase (/or bumpersticker) - think globally,act locally. please end this thread soon, thanks. -p On Thu, 5 Oct 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Isn't that a bit of a sweeping statement in itself - it's cultural, not biological? Sure, there must be hundreds of factors why women aren't as well presented as men, that's the whole point in undertaking such a difficult project right? I was simply pointing out one factor that immediately occurs to me. I'd say most people on this list are at least a little obsessive about techno, that's the reason we read it day in day out. cheers, Dan http://www.mp3.com/DanButler http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1267/index.html -Original Message- From: b3kka [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 October 2000 14:48 To: 313 Subject:Re: [313] R: [313] women and electronic music u really think it's a question of obsessiveness?! what about the gatekeeping factors and everything else that women have to endure to make it in a predominantly male scene. i can't believe u just said that! or the fact that technological has predominantly been seen and treated as part of the public sphere which has until recently been occupied solely by men? there are a ton of factors that come into play here. women are not BIOLOGICALLY less obsessive than men...it's CULTURAL and not biological. k, i'll try to stop now. but this project is definitely going to happen. so for everyone who's responded to my plea for help thus far...thank u very much and you'll be hearing from me soon...cuz it's about time. bekka. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] One major biological reason seems to be that women simply aren't as obsessive as men (sure, there are exceptions as with all things). Obsessiveness (hmm, my spell checker doesn't recognise this word!!) is a key factor in the time it takes to learn to DJ, learn to write tracks etc NetZero Free Internet Access and Email_ Download Now http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html Request a CDROM 1-800-333-3633 ___ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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You have helped to see things differently..and yes, let's let this thread die soon bye fab - Original Message - From: Peter B Leidy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 6:53 PM Subject: RE: [313] R: [313] women and electronic music I think this is definitely socio-cultural, more so than biological. The reason being- this is not native to electronic music - this is true to about 80% (guesstimation) of specialized fields of study, work, arts, etc. I'm sure you could join mailing lists on any style of music and find the same thread. And generally I think its not the attitude of the scene itself that suppresses female representation, but something that has been plagueing society for ages. I think its totally lame when people try to pinpoint this problem to something so scene-specific as repetitive music or some aspect that just kind of repels women- you need to look at the bigger picture. Thats the only way we're really going to overcome a problem of this magnitude. You can start taking action in a specific corner of society- but you've gotta realize that thats just the beginning. or to coin a phrase (/or bumpersticker) - think globally,act locally. please end this thread soon, thanks. -p On Thu, 5 Oct 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Isn't that a bit of a sweeping statement in itself - it's cultural, not biological? Sure, there must be hundreds of factors why women aren't as well presented as men, that's the whole point in undertaking such a difficult project right? I was simply pointing out one factor that immediately occurs to me. I'd say most people on this list are at least a little obsessive about techno, that's the reason we read it day in day out. cheers, Dan http://www.mp3.com/DanButler http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1267/index.html -Original Message- From: b3kka [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 October 2000 14:48 To: 313 Subject: Re: [313] R: [313] women and electronic music u really think it's a question of obsessiveness?! what about the gatekeeping factors and everything else that women have to endure to make it in a predominantly male scene. i can't believe u just said that! or the fact that technological has predominantly been seen and treated as part of the public sphere which has until recently been occupied solely by men? there are a ton of factors that come into play here. women are not BIOLOGICALLY less obsessive than men...it's CULTURAL and not biological. k, i'll try to stop now. but this project is definitely going to happen. so for everyone who's responded to my plea for help thus far...thank u very much and you'll be hearing from me soon...cuz it's about time. bekka. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] One major biological reason seems to be that women simply aren't as obsessive as men (sure, there are exceptions as with all things). Obsessiveness (hmm, my spell checker doesn't recognise this word!!) is a key factor in the time it takes to learn to DJ, learn to write tracks etc NetZero Free Internet Access and Email_ Download Now http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html Request a CDROM 1-800-333-3633 ___ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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i know we all want this thread to end but ... one last comment... not that obsessiveness is anything to brag about, but if you are going to push your biological theory then look at history, women have been characterized, stereotyped for there meticulous (slightly obsessive) nature. any person who has any extreme passion whether it be art music reading, writing whatever has these obsessive qualities. and i was kind of taken by surprize when the authors of 'last night...' mentioned this. (i disagree, but whatever, nothing new...) -m __ Manika K Arora www.umich.edu/~shanthi On Thu, 5 Oct 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One major biological reason seems to be that women simply aren't as obsessive as men (sure, there are exceptions as with all things). Obsessiveness (hmm, my spell checker doesn't recognise this word!!) is a key factor in the time it takes to learn to DJ, learn to write tracks etc. This is pointed out quite early on in Last Night A DJ Saved My Life, which I have just started to read! cheers, Dan http://www.mp3.com/DanButler http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1267/index.html -Original Message- From: fab137 [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 October 2000 15:25 To: Kent williams; 313 Subject:[313] R: [313] women and electronic music As to why more women aren't doing it, it beats me. Sexism is a factor everywhere One thing I've always noticed is the abnormally high number of males compared to females in techno clubs worldwide. I think its just the appealI mean it obviusly appeals more to men than women. So considering that female djs are already scarce, couple that with the macho appeal of technothere you have it! No women djs! bye fab - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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hm is that right?
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yeah I read Artbyte and I liked their issue on Wired Women. Five
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I disagree very strongly - when you say worldwide how extensively have you travelled? One thing you have to consider is the geographic variations. In Melbourne techno events pull a very balanced crowd and there are some very good female DJs. I hear countries like Spain and Portugal are very good too. I think women respond to the music differently from my researches but are not necessarily less appreciative. I don't think you can exhaust this topic and it needs to be addressed in some way. One thing I've always noticed is the abnormally high number of males compared to females in techno clubs worldwide. I think its just the appealI mean it obviusly appeals more to men than women. So considering that female djs are already scarce, couple that with the macho appeal of technothere you have it! No women djs!
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Oh please. I can tell you are really young, right? That less creative statement was really sexist, so expect people to be offended. It's attitudes like this that keep women away. Maybe you should examine your own attitides before catsing aspersiosn on others' creativity. Yeah, this is what I thought, I reckon a lot of girls just can't be bothered. You get woman painters and sculpters etc, they just don't wanna get involved with music so much tho... Controversy is a good tool for getting conversation No offence with that less creative statement...
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Ok... I have been trying to avoid making a post, but it seems i can't hold myself back. I would like to comment on a few things mentioned here today as well as relate some of my own experiences. Gwendal wrote: I've always wondered why I couldn't get any of my girlfriends to listen to hours of Autechre or Surgeon ? Well, this i don't know... cause i happen to love both surgeon and autechre. Darw_n wrote: In my grandma's words, women care about plowing the fields and feeding the babies while men care about big abstract ideas... well, this is the reason that i didn't want to get into this thread, but here goes. i think that this is true. not that i have babies to feed (unless you count my dog) or fields to plow, but my spinning always comes behind my practical responsibilities. to me it is very important to create a stable environment for myself. i must have a job, know where i will live and know that i am getting my next paycheck. it would be completely impossible for me to conceive of giving up that stability in favor of exploring music. i think women tend to be more hardwired for survival and are in general less carefree than men. providing stability for a family doesn't always lend itself to energy-soaking activities like playing or making music. not that the two are mutually exclusive, but i work 10 hours per day, and then i come home and i work on consulting contracts until it is time to go to bed and then wake up at 5:00 am again. somewhere in there i find time to do housework and relax, and i go out usually only one night per week. though many find relaxation in playing and making music, for me it is just the opposite: it is frustrating and stressful. which brings me to my next point: Todd Gys wrote: Personally, I think women have a better natural ability to pick up on dj'ing and producing music. Biologically it's been shown that women have a predisposed talent in detail-oriented tasks; something definitely worthwhile when learning to beatmatch, or make music. I'll never forget the first time my girlfriend went to my turntables...she matched a beat on her very first try. Luck? Doubt it...she had a natural knack. She showed the same talent when she all of the sudden decided to make a track on her own. either i am mentally retarded, or your girlfriend has a knack that is just a knack and not biological. if turntablism were biological, there would be female equivalents of jeff mills, claude young, q-bert and craze. and there aren't. I have been listening to dance music for nearly ten years. It seemed to me, that when i got my tables and mixer setup, it would come naturally. of course i will be good at this i thought. how could i not be? i know exactly when a mix is on or off, i mix tracks in my head. i am a relentless dj critic. but when the time came, and i got my own setup, i was presented with only frustration. i can beatmatch. that is not the problem. the problem is that i cannot tell which record is faster. with two of the same records, i can rock it... but it can take the whole length of a record two or three times over for me to get them the same speed. and i count. but, i just am not good at it. not yet. i am not discouraged. i am sure i will be able to do it in the future. but i get very frustrated, and this frustration leads me to avoiding it. now, i have to say, this is not usually my way. in most cases, when encountered with a challenge, i see it as an opportunity to win. to test and prove myself. but with music it is different. i guess because it hasn't come easily - and i am one of those people who is good at everything. how could i not be good at this thing that i love so much? so, in the mean time, i have to set aside serious time to practice. and it will come. but it takes a lot of time, and time is not something that i have a lot of. i would rather spend my time earning money. i am sure, once i can mix, it will be a joy and a pleasure, i just hope that is soon. ok, on to other things... experiences as a female into electronic music: - enter record store. ask clerk if they have x. oh, we onnly have that on vinyl, not on CD. this is my most despised encounter. - ask dj (who doesn't know me) what is x track? oh, it's just a record. ya muthaf*ker but what record? second most despised thing that every happened (only twice) - people assuming you are a dj girlfriend or dj whore or just a profiler - guys in the scene assuming that you don't know about labels or artists or history - people tend to think that if you are a girl, you like the music because it is a good soundtrack for raving or clubbing or something... that it is not music to you, or that you can't be passionate about it. in general, you need to earn respect as a female in the scene. people assume that you don't measure up. but i have NEVER EVER encountered sexism after someone figured me out. in terms of people being skeptical of others... i
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Ok... I have been trying to avoid making a post, but it seems i can't hold myself back. I would like to comment on a few things mentioned here today as well as relate some of my own experiences. I think Holly is making some interesting points but based on my own personal experiences I can't get my head around this notion that women aren't into abstract ideas. But the fact that I think you work in computers Holly means you must have the kind of mind usually accredited to males - focussed and able to understand technology, etc. Women's academic performance in Australia is by far ahead of males and they stay at school longer, so the authorities are really concerned - it would seem that female students here have the focus and analytical abilities and there could be cultural reasons for this.
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Yeah, Mike Grant, no profile dj, excellent, always brilliant, I saw him a couple of times, never been disappointed. too seldom seen, he can mix in so efficient way from deep house, hard house to techno and loop back again Happy Budapest people Mike plays in Budapest at the 313 Bassix party this Friday night, do not miss him. I believe that you are talking about Soundstream/Motion. Don't know about label if my memory serves me well the guy is out of Germany and Hardwax handles his stuff. A girl who is involved in electronic music for 12 years! From: Silfert Van Oudheusden [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] Mike Grant House Mix Track ID Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 10:35:44 GMT Does anyone know what beautiful track Mike Grant plays in his House Mix from Frequencydetroit.com between minute 59:14 and 01:01:00 ?? http://www.frequencydetroit.com/August%20Mixes/mike%20grant1hq.mp3 Thanks ! _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.
Re: [313] R: [313] women and electronic music - long
I think Holly is making some interesting points but based on my own personal experiences I can't get my head around this notion that women aren't into abstract ideas. But the fact that I think you work in computers Holly means you must have the kind of mind usually accredited to males - focussed and able to understand technology, etc. Women's academic performance in Australia is by far ahead of males and they stay at school longer, so the authorities are really concerned - it would seem that female students here have the focus and analytical abilities and there could be cultural reasons for this. i don't think women have any less intellectual skill at all. and it's not that we can't grasp abstract ideas. i was very into abstract ideas and philosophy when i was young. but now, as with a lot of things, i can't justify spending time thinking about something that is not going to directly impact my life. i know what i think. i don't have to think about it. but that's just me... peace, h
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spiral tribe had some cool female djs (ixi...) that introduced me to techno in 93. in the first couple of years, and 93 may already be late, the techno/rave scene in europe was also carried by the idea of a certain asexuality and the dissolvement of gender stereotypes... induced maybe partly by the massive use of lsd/ecstasy and the deterritorialized situation of the scene. havent seen many female djs back then either though. the equation hard(techno)=macho is based on the traditional male view of the woman ...i miei 2 centesimi armin np - khan - orgien
RE: [313] regis vs. female
[on the topic of Againstnature release] At 04:18 PM 10/4/2000 -0400, you wrote: this release is excellent imo. the kind of stuff just made to be heard on a big system. love the feedback sounds at the end of that one track, make the ears bleed:) another one very similar is the Angel Plague 2xLP on Downwards from 1-2 years ago by Female. This LP contains a few gems that are well worth checking out. It's one of those releases that you just don't understand till you here it bump on big system. Every time I hear one track from the LP I get the chills ... it just builds and builds and builds filling just right with this angelic type voice or sound. Love it. My other faves by Regis and Female are the Divine Ritual EP (Regis) and Blood into Gold (Female) releases on Downwards. More chanting tracks that you'll definitely get lost into. Still nothing like the old Downwards releases though. The more recent Gayscene release didn't do too much for me. kind of floppy on the wrist...limpIMO :) [cut, posted to 313] Dean Cole AKA Richard Harvey AKA User records, first came into contact with To add to the User stir, I hear there is still yet one more name behind these records (besides Cole), and he supposedly resides in NY. I also hear he is rather found of Tapioca pudding...Whether there is any truth to this, I guess it really doesn't matter though...cause it's really just a case of shut up and J.E.L.L.O. David H. - N-side Records - Inside source for Underground Music. http://www.n-siderecords.com :: Austin,TX, USA. (512)837-5650 (bus) :: (508)526-7797 (fax)
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Re: [313] women and electronic music - long
ok, i'll throw my bonnet into this (well-tread) ring... i find it interesting yet limiting to look at things from a gender perspective. interesting because there is usually some grain of insight to be gained it shapes so much of how society looks at each of us, yet limiting because i ( this is just me, of course) find it to be too simplified. it is easier to look at things divided into dualities - ie, introvert/extrovert, black/white, male/female, logical/emotional, right-brained/left-brained, intellectual/instinctual. i find this to be lacking in many ways, as the average human is comprised of many variables that all contribute to his or her composite personality. now that that's said, dualities do make it easier to discuss these kinds of things (similar to how obscenely divisive, esoteric genre titles make discussing music easier) but i prefer to think of people not as either/or, but more like a sliding scale, as in 'i am more left-brained then right-brained' rather than 'i am left-brained.' because even the most machisimo dude has estrogen lurking about! ;) but my thinking on this subject is greatly colored by my personal experiences, which include attending an all-girls high school receiving my bachelor's degree in civil/structural engineering. as far as the arts go, i cannot explain this, but music intimidates me the most. i play the clarinet the thought of playing in front of people absolutely cripples me. yet with other kinds of non-musical performances (not stripping, get your mind out of the gutter ;), i do not feel the same paralyzing fear. as far as dj-ing, i have djed publicly once, i would like to do it again, but here comes the money issue previously mentioned. to practice, buy good turntables--i'd rather travel with any extra money i am so lucky to come across. personal priorities, i guess. 313 content: michelle herrman, aka the punisher is performing a live pa at motor on friday. it'll be interesting to see what she's been up to lately. experiences as a female into electronic music: - enter record store. ask clerk if they have x. oh, we only have that on vinyl, not on CD. because of this, i buy music from 2 places only: on-line (faceless encounter) or lifesoundtrax (you will never hear munk say 'oh, you didn't know that snort') - people assuming you are a dj girlfriend or dj whore or just a profiler - guys in the scene assuming that you don't know about labels or artists or history - people tend to think that if you are a girl, you like the music because it is a good soundtrack for raving or clubbing or something... that it is not music to you, or that you can't be passionate about it. i had a male, whom i respect, tell me, meaning it sincerely as a compliment: 'it's nice to meet a chick who's into the music doesn't go to the club just to pick up guys.' my response was kind of complex. i, of course, think, wow, he thinks i'm cool, that feels nice. my next thought was oh, yeah, like i don't know tons of guys who go to clubs to pick up chicks. third, i have more than a couple female friends who don't know who the dj is, but they _don't care_. they like to dance, they like the way it makes them feel, but it's just not something they put thought into. i don't think you can assume they like music _less_ because they choose to experience it in a different way. in general, you need to earn respect as a female in the scene. people assume that you don't measure up. but i have NEVER EVER encountered sexism after someone figured me out. in terms of people being skeptical of others... i mean guys may think i am some dumb chick, but i usually thinkn they are some stupid punk who just came into the sh*t last year and doesn't know sh*t. so i think we are even. sometimes i am right, and sometimes i am wrong, and the same goes for them. well put. very true. in terms of pre-judging, i am probably harsher with women. i assume they just like the music to dance to at a club and can't tell the difference between house and techno and trance. and that is sometimes true and sometimes not. part of my judgement is because i don't like girls who give women a bad name. another part is that i always want to be the coolest chick (which i always am, unless diana is around - and then we are even - *ha*)... and another part is just the nature of female competitiveness. this is such an issue. it's the look up down that females immediately give each other, it's my guy friends' girlfriends always being a bit edgy around me, it's seeing someone i went to high school with thinking 'god, i look like ass today.' not, 'wow i can really impress her with all my accomplishments since high school.' nope, it's 'damn i look like ass today'. [sigh] but then i'm a dichotomy - i'm just as likely to read vogue as i am dostoyevsky. :) sorry for the length. kelli
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For alot of women, techno is just bang bang bang repeatedly. With house its slower and they can actually groove their thang to it. House or (Trance) do have a softer, happier edge which doesn't feel threatening. Not me though, bang bang bang is the way to go! I love techno! Whoohoo! =) G l y p h In a message dated 10/5/00 9:32:38 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yes, so it is a world wide problem with mostly man visiting techno parties. I wonder why? ;-) But even in Italy who would have tought. And then you go and visit house parties and the place is filled with woman. Wondering why?
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I heard there is a new Red Planet record coming out called, Women Are From Venus. Seriously though. I think the most valuable parts of this thread can be taken from the anecdotes. These are the women of 313 for crying out loud! Listen to the authorities. As a rule I hate the biological discussion of the sexes. This is all too neat and tidy when we all know people who buck the tendencies, whether they be biological or cultural in origin, and if we can even figure out what they're supposed to be. While it's true that there aren't as many high profile female producers and DJs I think this is changing and will continue to do so as more women become prominent. This is even happening now. Minx had one of the best sets at DEMF. I can't remember the name of the four woman DJ collective from Chicago, but they were just on a US tour. Collette is a part of it and she rocks my world. Things are changing for the better. And as far as anyone stepping to the turntables and matching a beat on their first try goes, it's unheard of. My old roomate who picks up everything he tries in no time flat (he learned to ollie in 5 minutes) tried to match doubles of M5 for two or three trips through the record with no success. Let's face it. For 99.99% of us it takes training and continual practice to be able to mix well. Listening that precisely is not something you pick up off the street. Tristan __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/
Re: [313] R: [313] women and electronic music - long
Oh, and to add more fuel to the flame, I seem to remember reading an interview with Christian Vogel where he spoke about women loving his music. The idea was that he recognized a better response to his music in women vs. men, and with women responding to his music versus other similar techno. It's probably that heady funk he's got that drives the ladies crazy. BTW, this was a while ago, when he was only making techno. Who knows? There's probably something to it, be if he can't figure out what it is beyond a vague description, then I'm not going to try. All I know is, I gotta start making music like that. ;) Tristan __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/
Role Model For Women.. was [313] women and electronic music
2 words. Misstress Barbara. Also... Shiva from Indianapoils. These 2 women never play soft...dont like soft..and they rock. I personally love being a minority in the Techno world. Leaves more hot yummay techno-snobby men for me to choose from. And the response from men...after they learn I actually Know about Techno...is just exhilarating. Too bad most of them smoke. =) Lorie
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In a message dated 10/5/00 9:51:11 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: i was very intimated during the very few times i've djed in public, and i'm still intimated when i have to prove to other djs, usually males, that i know what i'm doing. at times, i feel as if i can be nothing more that the dj whore trailing all the djs. i get really self-conscious when i'm the only female trainspotting, even though i know i only go to clubs to see djs, to watch their techniques, and to hear records i might want to buy. Look here girlfriendDO NOT feel intimidated, they're just guys, nothing more. =) I also think women should use a little of that sexuality God gave us in the sets. I've seen my very good friend, DJ Elektra from Canada spin for the first time at T-1000's birthday party this year and all the guys love her. She plays hard techno, tweaks, cuts the crossfader back and forth, on beat too and she would do a little dance inbetween mixes. Nothing wrong with that. Just make it fun, everyone seems to forget about that. i also, i spin primarily techno in the realm of mills, beyer, surgeon, etc., A YEAH We definitely need more female hard techno dj's. Don't give up girl! =) Its a shame for me because I love this stuff and I have access to the equipment and can't seem to wrap my head around itI've always got so much other stuff to do. I need to lock myself in a room with it. G.I have a general idea of how to match beats, just need more practice. and it's hard enough finding female techno role models who spin this type of techno. i haven't even found an african american female role model ever. it seems that a lot of female spin house or more housy techno, so i'm As for African American female dj's, check out DJ Minx of Women on Wax although she spins house (I think.) Keep on keepin' on, G l y p h also happy to find female djs spinning more harder or weirder stuff. currently i'm not djing anymore for reasons beyond my control. maia
never play soft
These 2 women never play soft...dont like soft..and they rock. not to fall off topic from the women in techno discussion or anything... and this question is not gender-specific in any way... but is anyone else annoyed by djs who never play soft and don't like soft? Is there something wrong with soft? Personally, I think playing only hard is a great discredit to the diversity that, in my opinion, makes techno so unique. chris
Re: [313] R: [313] women and electronic music - long
I totally agree overall with your comments, Holly. I can certainly relate, it does get frustrating. One tip my brother has taught me is if once you mix one record into another and you hear it goes off beat, it means the record you mixed in is too fast and needs to be slowed down. Try it, hope that would help. And pitch, Ladies! Always mess with the pitch control on those Techs! This is my 17th year of being into dance music and I sure as hell never gave a guy a chance to give me trouble. I've always looked to myself to find out what I like. Ever since I started buying records on a regular basis, I would walk into the store keeping to myself, usually have my big headphones on and just go at it at the bins. Pulling out what looks interesting and give it a listen and by doing that you'll establish your own knowledge of labels, artists, and discover what your tastes are in this big umbrella of dance music. But then again, can it just be that those who work in the stores are just plain jerks And it also helps to have a brother who also is into it that you can discuss the music with. =) Peace, G l y p h In a message dated 10/5/00 1:06:43 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ok, on to other things... experiences as a female into electronic music: - enter record store. ask clerk if they have x. oh, we onnly have that on vinyl, not on CD. this is my most despised encounter. - ask dj (who doesn't know me) what is x track? oh, it's just a record. ya muthaf*ker but what record? second most despised thing that every happened (only twice) - people assuming you are a dj girlfriend or dj whore or just a profiler - guys in the scene assuming that you don't know about labels or artists or history - people tend to think that if you are a girl, you like the music because it is a good soundtrack for raving or clubbing or something... that it is not music to you, or that you can't be passionate about it. in general, you need to earn respect as a female in the scene. people assume that you don't measure up. but i have NEVER EVER encountered sexism after someone figured me out. in terms of people being skeptical of others... i mean guys may think i am some dumb chick, but i usually thinkn they are some stupid punk who just came into the sh*t last year and doesn't know sh*t. so i think we are even. sometimes i am right, and sometimes i am wrong, and the same goes for them. in terms of pre-judging, i am probably harsher with women. i assume they just like the music to dance to at a club and can't tell the difference between house and techno and trance. and that is sometimes true and sometimes not. part of my judgement is because i don't like girls who give women a bad name. another part is that i always want to be the coolest chick (which i always am, unless diana is around - and then we are even - *ha*)... and another part is just the nature of female competitiveness. i used to be a promoter in detroit. i got respect from the boys club that ran the city at the time. i remember a conversation in which me and another male promoter explicitly discussed this fact. i appreciate that. to me, everyone has to prove themselves before gaining my respect, so i don't think this is a big deal. in terms of the lack of # of female djs. i think part of it is the way that guys tend to get together and do the same thing for hours and play with their tables, and play with their gear, and monopolize it. it is hard to get a minute on the decks at a party full of djs if you are a guy, let alone if you are a girl with wobbly mixing. i also think that other women have had similar problems to mine with mixing. and that combined with trying to fight their boyfriend for time on the decks (i know a lot of this goes on) can lead to being slower to catch up. a lot of female djs are being recognized and coming into their own now, though, and i think this is good. i don't like to overanalyze stuff. there is nothing that can hold women back. we can do anything. i think that we just approach things differently than men. and i don't think anyone is holding us down. blah blah, h
