Re: [313] err...
I'm in rather dire need of the sage wisdom of this list and its members on this issue for a project that I'm working on. Is this good or bad for our music and culture? When I say this I mean the fact that the mainstream press, the marketing and advertising industries and America in general still remains clueless as to who the artists are that we are interested in, the music that we actually buy (as demonstrated by this poll). Is that a good thing or bad thing? Would it be better if every city in the US had a 5,000 person capacity multi-media and Derick May (or whoever) was in the top 40? Would that kill the spirit of the culture, in your opinion? Please answer - your opinions on this are invaluable to me. Beat me to it Atomly :) Is it just me, or is this every shade of wrong? http://abc.go.com/primetime/ama/techno_home.html -- :: atomly :: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.atomly.com | http://www.mp3.com/atomly - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com
no sense
so let me get this straight...ford finally clues into the fact that there's something really amazing that has come/is coming from detroit, and then they're stupid enough to have a poll on the website asking who's your fav. techno artist of the year: Moby, Chemical Bros, or Fatboy Slim? C'mon. This is what commercialism does to the things you love. d _ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com
Re: [313] no sense
On Tue, 5 Dec 2000, Dharma Fowler wrote: so let me get this straight...ford finally clues into the fact that there's something really amazing that has come/is coming from detroit, and then they're stupid enough to have a poll on the website asking who's your fav. techno artist of the year: Moby, Chemical Bros, or Fatboy Slim? C'mon. This is what commercialism does to the things you love. Honestly, what does this do to the things we love? They might be calling the dreck that these pop stars produce techno but it does absolutely nothing to the music I love or the artists who produce this music. Something like a Best of Techno category at the American Music (sic) Awards is of course laughable but that is exactly my point. Like the man said in the 1980s: Can't touch this. =) Steven White http://barkingcat.org c:\ c:\ Reality sys.exe corrupt. Reboot universe? (Y/N)
Re: [313] err...
how is it possible to ruin *real* techno?? what would be ruined? answer these questions and you will see the end result... You can not ruin something so ambiguous and positionless... IMHO of course... darw_n create, demonstrate, toneshift... http://www.mp3.com/stations/clevelandunderground http://www.mp3.com/darw_n http://www.sphereproductions.com/topic/Darwin.html http://www.mannequinodd.com - Original Message - From: Hugh G. Blaze [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2000 4:08 PM Subject: Re: [313] err... I'm in rather dire need of the sage wisdom of this list and its members on this issue for a project that I'm working on. Is this good or bad for our music and culture? When I say this I mean the fact that the mainstream press, the marketing and advertising industries and America in general still remains clueless as to who the artists are that we are interested in, the music that we actually buy (as demonstrated by this poll). Is that a good thing or bad thing? Would it be better if every city in the US had a 5,000 person capacity multi-media and Derick May (or whoever) was in the top 40? Would that kill the spirit of the culture, in your opinion? Please answer - your opinions on this are invaluable to me. Beat me to it Atomly :) Is it just me, or is this every shade of wrong? http://abc.go.com/primetime/ama/techno_home.html -- :: atomly :: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.atomly.com | http://www.mp3.com/atomly - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ __ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] Gemini
Gemini is Spencer Kincey. I have quite a few records that he has done under his own name and also as Gemini. I first started seeing his records on Relief/Cajual circa '94. Since then I have seen releases on many other labels including Guidance and Peacefrog. As for his djing, I have played with him several times in Ohio and Indiana, but none too recently. Last show he was playing clubbish house along with of some really deep vocally (sp?) house. I did see his name on a flyer for a show somewhere down here in Texas around Halloween, in either Austin or Houstin, I cant remember for sure. ...kev... _ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com
Re: [313] weird pressing tricks...
the left/right track1/track2 trick is not X2 technology X2 is also known as double grooves. Two distinct tracks recorded interlaced. (both stereo) mastering engineers have been doing this for more than 10 years. a good way to describe it physically... think of a record groove as a spiral that starts outward and works its way inward. now a double groove has 2 different spirals (tracks) interlaced. if you are trying to cue, its a bitch. because every OTHER groove is the same track when working from the outside - in. what really made me laugh was when NSC called it X2 and everyone was like WOW!!! Aardvark's been doing it for years and he does it for free. www.aardvark-mastering.com its easier than a locked groove. -adam
Re: [313] Who is the remixer - Talking Heads?
on 12/5/2000 10:33 AM, Paul MacGillivray at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: TALKING HEADS - Once In A Lifetime 2000 (Masters At Work Remix) Noticed this on Planetxusa.com Looks like it's a Masters at work remix - sounds to me just like the original. Not a bad job. http://204.89.131.233/pub/audio/djram/77153.ram Quite nice actually. Reminds me a bit of the Eno Ali Click mixes that came out in 1992 (!). -- There4IM
Re: [313] the creator
On Tue, 5 Dec 2000, darw_n wrote: I have the original (or at least the oldest copy that I know of) of the Jack speech on a sample record from around 89ish... But I *think* it sounds exactly like that guy who did the poetry at DEMF after D.May... any confirmation on that? I always wanted to know the story behind the Jack speech... The poet from the DEMF was a member of THE LAST POETS...this was not the same person who made the jack speech. peace lks
Re: [313] err...
hi What i want to know is who nominates these techno artists, is it sale based? The beat of a new generation. The music of the new millennium. Let your voice be heard! Vote in the first-ever Techno category, brought to you by Ford Focus. As far as i can see all these bands r bassicly electronic rock. Maybe we should let our voices be heard!!! Sam __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/
Re: [313] err...
Perhaps a better question might bedoes this ruin the ability of PERFORMERS to accumulate the fruits of their labor. Does Moby's presence on the SciFi channel proclaiming I am SciFi in a commercial affect the ability of May, Atkins, Craig, and others to put their music out there...and to be compensated (however this is defined)? I actually don't know the answer to this question. As for the music I think that darw_n is correct. Techno and House are very different from hip-hop for example, in that I really don't think it is possible for these artforms to be co-opted. I haven't come up with anything more than a vague theory as to WHY (if anyone has I'd be interested in seeing it)...but I just know that we won't see Sony perverting the artform. It is what it isand I don't think it can be changed except by us. peace lks
Re: [313] minimal mispress
apologies to ani the list, my mail has been listing in reverse lately and I didn't see this post when I replied about the MN repress Anyway, the record in question below is servo unique on Luxury records, listed as 'a division of Axis records', 1994. .JM I have this and it is one of my most treasured Detroit mispresses. My Mills collection is still at least one record short because I am missing that one off house label he started (can't remember the name) which I have been looking for since '94. The worst part of the story is Frankie Bones came to my record shop two years ago and found a copy in our basement. :( _ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com
Re: [313] err...
I would guess, not much. As Nader joked, ... however I _do_ think that Gore lost _me_ the election. The true techno artists might get a little more money if it were not for the likes of these electronica artists. But, if it were not for them, would there be a all new techno catagory brought to us by ford focus? And who _would_ be standing up there? Not that I'm really sure I would miss it (it being the best in techno award). Awards are BS anyways, IMO. -Derek Perhaps a better question might bedoes this ruin the ability of PERFORMERS to accumulate the fruits of their labor. Does Moby's presence on the SciFi channel proclaiming I am SciFi in a commercial affect the ability of May, Atkins, Craig, and others to put their music out there...and to be compensated (however this is defined)? I actually don't know the answer to this question.
florida clubs
I'm going to be in Florida for New Years, and I don't really know much about the area where I'm going to be staying. If anyone knows of any good techno clubs in the Sarasota/Tampa/Fort Myers area, please let me know. I was going to go to Motor to see Acquaviva, Saunderson, etc.., but my plans have changed. Please let me know any info. Thanks P __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/
Re: [313] mispress
nice. my favorite mispress has to be Axis #007: Robert Hood-minimal nation mispress, with the 3 lost Jeff Mills tracks. .JM my favorite mispress is steve hurley jack your body with a UR riot label. kinda cute, huh? ani record time _ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com
Re: [313] the creator
just correct me but but wasn't that mr fingers - can you feel it released '88 on trax?(i only have that uk 10 re-release) and the one track i mention, that osheen - my house, does anyone have that??? sakke On Tue, 5 Dec 2000, darw_n wrote: I have the original (or at least the oldest copy that I know of) of the Jack speech on a sample record from around 89ish... But I *think* it sounds exactly like that guy who did the poetry at DEMF after D.May... any confirmation on that? I always wanted to know the story behind the Jack speech... darw_n create, demonstrate, toneshift... http://www.mp3.com/stations/clevelandunderground http://www.mp3.com/darw_n http://www.sphereproductions.com/topic/Darwin.html http://www.mannequinodd.com - Original Message - From: Sakari Karipuro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: jose bello [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2000 8:19 AM Subject: Re: [313] the creator On Tue, 5 Dec 2000, jose bello wrote: who is the creator of this words ? in the beginning was jack... Jose Bello.Spain i first heard these words on mr. fingers can you feel it but i have this feeling that it is not the original. i have read from somewhere in the that these words are from osheen my house but i have not heard the track... sakke - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] err...
Techno and House are very different from hip-hop for example, in that I really don't think it is possible for these artforms to be co-opted. I haven't come up with anything more than a vague theory as to WHY (if anyone has I'd be interested in seeing it).. simple, techno is generally wordless and politically positionless, with none of the gaudy projective layers of pop, rap or whatever, like chorus and verse... darw_n create, demonstrate, toneshift... http://www.mp3.com/stations/clevelandunderground http://www.mp3.com/darw_n http://www.sphereproductions.com/topic/Darwin.html http://www.mannequinodd.com
did we influence....trance?
Okay, before I go on with my question, keep in mind that I am by no means a trance fan AT ALL (at least trance fans by the convnetional definition). Like every good 313 technohead, phrases like Paul Okenfold sucks, Epic trance is cheese, and Hey Pete Tong, I got your 'Essnetial Selection' right here! have become an integrated part of my discorse when talking about all things electronic. However, while looking through the Submerge site (which is someing I honestly do everydayI am going nuts waiting for version 2.0) I noticed that Red Planet 1 - 3 are labeled as trance. I own all three of those records, and musically, yes they do sound like trance (or at least what trance would sound like if it had soul and if it was good). Furthermore, I have heard a few old releases on Generator that if released today, would probably be considered trance (again, GOOD trance with SOUL). I do not mean to insult red planet or generator, as they are some of my favroite labels (and T-1000 one of my favroite djs), however, I wounder, how much influence did we have on the development of trance? I understand that the aforementioned releases could easily also be considered techno, as UR defines techno as... a music-based experimentation: it is sacred to no one race; it has no definitive sound. It is music for the future of the human race however, I am just curious to see if we DID in fact influence trance. It would be a bit ironic if we did, though nothing to be ashamed of. Red Planet and Generator are/were 2 EXCELLENT labels. -christos
Re: [313] err...
In a message dated 12/5/00 6:12:33 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: When I say this I mean the fact that the mainstream press, the marketing and advertising industries and America in general still remains clueless as to who the artists are that we are interested in, the music that we actually buy (as demonstrated by this poll). Is that a good thing or bad thing? Would it be better if every city in the US had a 5,000 person capacity multi-media and Derick May (or whoever) was in the top 40? Would that kill the spirit of the culture, in your opinion? Please answer - your opinions on this are invaluable to me. Ok, when I looked at that site, a couple things come to mind: 1. Vote in the first ever Techno-category brought to you by Ford Focus. In regards to this, I think the mainstream made a step in the right direction for they are now acknowledging this genre as a valid genre. 2. As for the names you have to choose from, well, you must understand that those names have at one time, made it to the charts and are only what the big record executives know of. I also think it comes back to the better techno artist's reluctance to work with major record companies for fear that their music will lose its quality marketing-wise and/or from the paranoia of the executives, all the way signing wannabes which will run techno's good name down to the ground. Bottomline is folks...you can't depend on a car company to do the job of the music industry. This site doesn't surprise me as much as it disappoints me to the point of who cares??. In any case, who the hell needs the American Music Awards when you have MusikUndMaschine which is FAR from making a mockery of this music. G l y p h.
Re: [313] err...
In a message dated 12/5/00 7:19:09 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: but I just know that we won't see Sony perverting the artform. It is what it isand I don't think it can be changed except by us. Ok, sorry, I have to break it down to this...AMERICA SUCKS. Ahem..(for those all so patriotic folks on this list...don't get me wrong, I love the land but damn, the current general population's got awful tastes in music. Need I have to say that there are exceptions? =) Peace, G l y p h
Re:[313]the creator
Subject: Re: [313] the creator On Tue, 5 Dec 2000, jose bello wrote: who is the creator of this words ? in the beginning was jack... Jose Bello.Spain i first heard these words on mr. fingers can you feel it but i have this feeling that it is not the original. i have read from somewhere in the that these words are from osheen my house but i have not heard the track... Well, here it is AGAIN..TP should start a history of house and techno hotlinehe he he he This subject came up on the 313 list a few months back, I saved the message that Terrence Parker posted with the answer to this seemingly omnipotent question. So with all credit due to TP, here is his answer: The ORIGINAL VERSION of the famous speech In the beginning there was Jack, and Jack had a groove . . . . is by ITALO ECSTASY. The track is entitled MY HOUSE, and was ORIGINALLY released on XYZ RECORDS late in the year 1986. Yes, it was used as a vocal drop on top of many instrumental recordings over the years, including Mr. Fingers' CAN YOU FEEL IT. But don't get it twisted ladies and gentlemen. The Mr. Fingers' version (which was originally a BOOTLEG) is NOT WHERE THIS SPEECH ORIGINATED FROM! (Terrence Parker) hope this helps michael renegaderhythms __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/
Re: [313] the creator
yes Omar Bin Hassan (The Last Poets) did not record that speech.
Re: [313] err...
And in case you're tempted to click the Ford Focus ad, it doesn't play No UFOs. It does have a three-part soundtrack, and No UFOs is not one of them. Two electronic tracks, one kinda funky crap thing. It also has a music section, with a lot of info on the retirement of Garth Brooks courtesy of Rolling Stone. Tristan == PHONOPSIA[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Lounge/5102 FrogboyMCI on AOL Instant Messenger Feeling Like A Kid Again... My Eyes Are Glued to the Floor. I Hope I Mumble Goodbye As You Walk Out the Door. UhOhUhohh... UhOhUhohhh... UhOhUhohhh... The Damage is Done. - Yo La Tengo -Original Message- From: Carissa Tintinalli [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org 313@hyperreal.org Date: Tuesday, December 05, 2000 6:41 PM Subject: Re: [313] err... Beat me to it Atomly :) Is it just me, or is this every shade of wrong? From: atomly [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org, [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [313] err... Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 17:31:00 -0600 http://abc.go.com/primetime/ama/techno_home.html -- :: atomly :: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.atomly.com | http://www.mp3.com/atomly - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ __ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [313] err...
That would have to be the king of all cyclical 313 threads. I'm gonna be brief for once. I think *most* of us would like to see this get a little more recognition, and *most* of us understand that there would be *some* harm to the scene if Detroit techno went, and remained top 40. Tristan == PHONOPSIA[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Lounge/5102 FrogboyMCI on AOL Instant Messenger Feeling Like A Kid Again... My Eyes Are Glued to the Floor. I Hope I Mumble Goodbye As You Walk Out the Door. UhOhUhohh... UhOhUhohhh... UhOhUhohhh... The Damage is Done. - Yo La Tengo -Original Message- From: Hugh G. Blaze [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org 313@hyperreal.org Date: Tuesday, December 05, 2000 7:12 PM Subject: Re: [313] err... I'm in rather dire need of the sage wisdom of this list and its members on this issue for a project that I'm working on. Is this good or bad for our music and culture? When I say this I mean the fact that the mainstream press, the marketing and advertising industries and America in general still remains clueless as to who the artists are that we are interested in, the music that we actually buy (as demonstrated by this poll). Is that a good thing or bad thing? Would it be better if every city in the US had a 5,000 person capacity multi-media and Derick May (or whoever) was in the top 40? Would that kill the spirit of the culture, in your opinion? Please answer - your opinions on this are invaluable to me. Beat me to it Atomly :) Is it just me, or is this every shade of wrong? http://abc.go.com/primetime/ama/techno_home.html -- :: atomly :: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.atomly.com | http://www.mp3.com/atomly - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ ___ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ __ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [313] err...
This makes me so bleepin' mad!!! I say we should e-mail ABC our thoughts. I just did. You can too at: http://abc.go.com/abc/help/contact.html
Re: [313] err...
techno and house are also faceless. d From: darw_n [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Lester Kenyatta Spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: Hugh G. Blaze [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] err... Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 20:24:53 -0800 Techno and House are very different from hip-hop for example, in that I really don't think it is possible for these artforms to be co-opted. I haven't come up with anything more than a vague theory as to WHY (if anyone has I'd be interested in seeing it).. simple, techno is generally wordless and politically positionless, with none of the gaudy projective layers of pop, rap or whatever, like chorus and verse... darw_n create, demonstrate, toneshift... http://www.mp3.com/stations/clevelandunderground http://www.mp3.com/darw_n http://www.sphereproductions.com/topic/Darwin.html http://www.mannequinodd.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com
Re: [313] the creator
DAMMIT I'm beginning to get extremely disgusted with my ISP's mail server. I sent this once, evidentally it didn't post (I have no friggin idea, I'm on digest mode and it went into outer space instead of the list for some reason) so I will post it again. Grrr Originated from My House by Italo Ecstasy in 1986 (ZYX Records). Matt E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.magicmattkelly.com who is the creator of this words ? in the beginning was jack... Jose Bello.Spain i first heard these words on mr. fingers can you feel it but i have this feeling that it is not the original. i have read from somewhere in the that these words are from osheen my house but i have not heard the track... sakke
RE: Pressing tricks
BTW, one of the labels that pressed dual stereo tracks side by side was called parallel fx. Didn't like the record that much so I returned it. Took me a few to catch onto the title. Parallel FX. Git it? I sure hope you do! - D
Re: [313] err...
On Tue, 5 Dec 2000, darw_n wrote: simple, techno is generally wordless and politically positionless, with none of the gaudy projective layers of pop, rap or whatever, like chorus and verse... I don't think I can agree with what you've said here. Yes, it certainly is true that techno doesn't have verses and choruses but a lot of techno certainly does follow the four-bar or eight-bar or sixteen-bar musical form that pop/rock/hip-hop follow. You can even point out bridges in some techno tracks. But I don't think this is bad per se. It's what a well done track does with these forms that is important, to me at least. Steven White steve at barking cat dot org aytch tee tee pea colon slash slash barking cat dot org slash
Re: [313] err...
id rather abc and the mainstream think fatboy slim was an important part of techno this yr. im happy with it being underground. and yes, it still is underground. arent lists like this whats its all about? eff abc, eff em all.
Re: [313] err...
Yes, it certainly is true that techno doesn't have verses and choruses but a lot of techno certainly does follow the four-bar or eight-bar or sixteen-bar musical form that pop/rock/hip-hop follow. You can even point out bridges in some techno tracks. But I don't think this is bad per se. It's what a well done track does with these forms that is important, to me at least. yes that's true. I would rebut however by saying that these are the basic necessity for techno, anything above it is simply decoration... I don't think its bad either, but I was simply using verse and chorus as example... BUT, Detroit techno is indeed a little different in that it is very much tied to jazz and blues, almost equaled to... But the essence of techno is simplicity and repetition, it is the base if you will to all other forms of music... consider this: If you take an elaborate Opera, you can theoretically distill it, all while keeping its general feel, down to techno. Ambient may or may not work, it depends on your approach. But you could distill the Opera down to one crucial segment (which probably was the musical seed for the composer interesting enough) consisting of a few notes, and repeat it... so it could be said that techno is the universal music in that all music can be distilled down to techno... Another example, Beethoven's 9th, the Ode to Joy movement. You can easily see that there are simply a few key notes in which the entire symphony is based off of. If you took those key notes, distilled them further into an unrecognizable sound, overlaid it with a simple rhythm, you would have a *powerful* techno track... darw_n create, demonstrate, toneshift... http://www.mp3.com/stations/clevelandunderground http://www.mp3.com/darw_n http://www.sphereproductions.com/topic/Darwin.html http://www.mannequinodd.com
Re: [313] err...
techno and house are also faceless. d That can change though, and is changing. It in fact can become vastly face-full and yet retain its essence... add definition however, and you have something else, you now have a message... notice I am doing my damndest to not boost the toneshift theory? Which would explain why such a stripped, positionless music is so revered... darw_n create, demonstrate, toneshift... http://www.mp3.com/stations/clevelandunderground http://www.mp3.com/darw_n http://www.sphereproductions.com/topic/Darwin.html http://www.mannequinodd.com
Re: [313] err... (take 2)
I think it's good for the artists and bad for the fans. Look at the bigger US marekts now, or the UK for comparison. Smaller markets make better crowds, make a better experience for those involved - with few exceptions like the DEMF, but I don't think that's what you're talking about. A lot of prominent DJs love to DJ in smaller cities and smaller venues for this reason. The crowds are better. Tristan == PHONOPSIA[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Lounge/5102 FrogboyMCI on AOL Instant Messenger Feeling Like A Kid Again... My Eyes Are Glued to the Floor. I Hope I Mumble Goodbye As You Walk Out the Door. UhOhUhohh... UhOhUhohhh... UhOhUhohhh... The Damage is Done. - Yo La Tengo -Original Message- From: Hugh G. Blaze [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org 313@hyperreal.org Date: Tuesday, December 05, 2000 10:27 PM Subject: Re: [313] err... (take 2) I guess I should be a little bit more specific in terms of what other cultural phenomenon I was trying to reference. I'm thinking of the U.K. Where Mega-Mega-Mega dance clubs are commonplace and DJs are more like pop stars. Would it be generally desirable or generally NOT desireable for the U.S. to have a similar situation with regard to accessability within the consumer marketplace? That would have to be the king of all cyclical 313 threads. I'm gonna be brief for once. I think *most* of us would like to see this get a little more recognition, and *most* of us understand that there would be *some* harm to the scene if Detroit techno went, and remained top 40. Tristan == PHONOPSIA[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Lounge/5102 FrogboyMCI on AOL Instant Messenger Feeling Like A Kid Again... My Eyes Are Glued to the Floor. I Hope I Mumble Goodbye As You Walk Out the Door. UhOhUhohh... UhOhUhohhh... UhOhUhohhh... The Damage is Done. - Yo La Tengo -Original Message- From: Hugh G. Blaze [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org 313@hyperreal.org Date: Tuesday, December 05, 2000 7:12 PM Subject: Re: [313] err... I'm in rather dire need of the sage wisdom of this list and its members on this issue for a project that I'm working on. Is this good or bad for our music and culture? When I say this I mean the fact that the mainstream press, the marketing and advertising industries and America in general still remains clueless as to who the artists are that we are interested in, the music that we actually buy (as demonstrated by this poll). Is that a good thing or bad thing? Would it be better if every city in the US had a 5,000 person capacity multi-media and Derick May (or whoever) was in the top 40? Would that kill the spirit of the culture, in your opinion? Please answer - your opinions on this are invaluable to me. Beat me to it Atomly :) Is it just me, or is this every shade of wrong? http://abc.go.com/primetime/ama/techno_home.html -- :: atomly :: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.atomly.com | http://www.mp3.com/atomly - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ ___ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ __ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ __ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [313] err...
The best part is that there is a Ford Focus add on the page. For those who haven't checked it out or don't have web access, it's a pole for best techno artist in the American Music Awards, and there are three nominees: Moby - 75.98% Chemical Brothers - 8.73% Fatboy Slim - 15.27% I heard there was some question about the results in Florida though... I didn't hi-light any of the choices and I clicked submit to see if there was feedback, and it accepted my vote. Perhaps we should flood them with abstentions. Tristan == PHONOPSIA[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Lounge/5102 FrogboyMCI on AOL Instant Messenger Feeling Like A Kid Again... My Eyes Are Glued to the Floor. I Hope I Mumble Goodbye As You Walk Out the Door. UhOhUhohh... UhOhUhohhh... UhOhUhohhh... The Damage is Done. - Yo La Tengo -Original Message- From: Carissa Tintinalli [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org 313@hyperreal.org Date: Tuesday, December 05, 2000 6:41 PM Subject: Re: [313] err... Beat me to it Atomly :) Is it just me, or is this every shade of wrong? From: atomly [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org, [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [313] err... Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 17:31:00 -0600 http://abc.go.com/primetime/ama/techno_home.html -- :: atomly :: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.atomly.com | http://www.mp3.com/atomly - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ __ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
RE: [313] weird pressing tricks...
If you go to NSC you WILL hear his story about cutting a lock groove for Jeff Mills, which is priceless... Or you could read about it in Techno Rebels :) Respect JasonB
Re: [313] err...
On Tue, Dec 05, 2000 at 07:08:59PM -0500, Hugh G. Blaze wrote: When I say this I mean the fact that the mainstream press, the marketing and advertising industries and America in general still remains clueless as to who the artists are that we are interested in, the music that we actually buy (as demonstrated by this poll). Is that a good thing or bad thing? Would it be better if every city in the US had a 5,000 person capacity multi-media and Derick May (or whoever) was in the top 40? Would that kill the spirit of the culture, in your opinion? Please answer - your opinions on this are invaluable to me. This is a really good question... I'm not sure how I feel about this- my gut reaction is to say that it's a good thing but I don't want to say that without really thinking about it first. I'd say the problem with the mainstream media picking up subgenres is that they burn fast and die quickly... If techno (true, underground, techno) were to get big tomorrow, a lot of people that we know would probably become superstars overnight and in a year or two it would be completely dead (a la grunge). It's basically a tradeoff- I'm sure a ton of amazing music would come out in those two years, but then none would come out after that. -- :: atomly :: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.atomly.com | http://www.mp3.com/atomly
Re: [313] err... (take 2)
I guess I should be a little bit more specific in terms of what other cultural phenomenon I was trying to reference. I'm thinking of the U.K. Where Mega-Mega-Mega dance clubs are commonplace and DJs are more like pop stars. Would it be generally desirable or generally NOT desireable for the U.S. to have a similar situation with regard to accessability within the consumer marketplace? That would have to be the king of all cyclical 313 threads. I'm gonna be brief for once. I think *most* of us would like to see this get a little more recognition, and *most* of us understand that there would be *some* harm to the scene if Detroit techno went, and remained top 40. Tristan == PHONOPSIA[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Lounge/5102 FrogboyMCI on AOL Instant Messenger Feeling Like A Kid Again... My Eyes Are Glued to the Floor. I Hope I Mumble Goodbye As You Walk Out the Door. UhOhUhohh... UhOhUhohhh... UhOhUhohhh... The Damage is Done. - Yo La Tengo -Original Message- From: Hugh G. Blaze [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org 313@hyperreal.org Date: Tuesday, December 05, 2000 7:12 PM Subject: Re: [313] err... I'm in rather dire need of the sage wisdom of this list and its members on this issue for a project that I'm working on. Is this good or bad for our music and culture? When I say this I mean the fact that the mainstream press, the marketing and advertising industries and America in general still remains clueless as to who the artists are that we are interested in, the music that we actually buy (as demonstrated by this poll). Is that a good thing or bad thing? Would it be better if every city in the US had a 5,000 person capacity multi-media and Derick May (or whoever) was in the top 40? Would that kill the spirit of the culture, in your opinion? Please answer - your opinions on this are invaluable to me. Beat me to it Atomly :) Is it just me, or is this every shade of wrong? http://abc.go.com/primetime/ama/techno_home.html -- :: atomly :: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.atomly.com | http://www.mp3.com/atomly - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ ___ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ __ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com
RE: [313] err...
And you expected what from Disney? -Original Message- From: atomly [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2000 3:31 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [313] err... http://abc.go.com/primetime/ama/techno_home.html -- :: atomly :: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.atomly.com | http://www.mp3.com/atomly - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] did we influence....trance?
Absolutely. Trance came from Detroit techno. Stardancer is the obvious example. Also, think: Sun Electric's Entrance. The title is not a coincidental mispelling. And Sun Electric are only a few steps of collaborations from Eddie Fowlkes, Juan Atkins, Moritz Von Oswals, etc. I got into this stuff with Rave and Acid House around 90-91 with the Lords of Acid, etc. When I first heard Waveform Transmissions, I thought it was trance because it came out on Pow Wow Trance. Artist like Oliver Lieb are clearly in a huge debt to Detroit. Maybe we should invent a new distinction between Trance and trance. Umm... maybe not. A lot of early trance is good music. Unfortunately new trance has spoiled it for us. I can hardly listen to a lot of it anymore. I think this is a great example of what could happen to techno if it got bigger. Maybe not though, since techno is much broader, less confined, and more dynamic than trance ever was. Tristan == PHONOPSIA[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Lounge/5102 FrogboyMCI on AOL Instant Messenger Feeling Like A Kid Again... My Eyes Are Glued to the Floor. I Hope I Mumble Goodbye As You Walk Out the Door. UhOhUhohh... UhOhUhohhh... UhOhUhohhh... The Damage is Done. - Yo La Tengo -Original Message- From: christos [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org 313@hyperreal.org Date: Tuesday, December 05, 2000 9:03 PM Subject: [313] did we influencetrance? Okay, before I go on with my question, keep in mind that I am by no means a trance fan AT ALL (at least trance fans by the convnetional definition). Like every good 313 technohead, phrases like Paul Okenfold sucks, Epic trance is cheese, and Hey Pete Tong, I got your 'Essnetial Selection' right here! have become an integrated part of my discorse when talking about all things electronic. However, while looking through the Submerge site (which is someing I honestly do everydayI am going nuts waiting for version 2.0) I noticed that Red Planet 1 - 3 are labeled as trance. I own all three of those records, and musically, yes they do sound like trance (or at least what trance would sound like if it had soul and if it was good). Furthermore, I have heard a few old releases on Generator that if released today, would probably be considered trance (again, GOOD trance with SOUL). I do not mean to insult red planet or generator, as they are some of my favroite labels (and T-1000 one of my favroite djs), however, I wounder, how much influence did we have on the development of trance? I understand that the aforementioned releases could easily also be considered techno, as UR defines techno as... a music-based experimentation: it is sacred to no one race; it has no definitive sound. It is music for the future of the human race however, I am just curious to see if we DID in fact influence trance. It would be a bit ironic if we did, though nothing to be ashamed of. Red Planet and Generator are/were 2 EXCELLENT labels. -christos - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [313] the creator
Some of my posts aren't coming through either. Anyone else having problems? Tristan == PHONOPSIA[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Lounge/5102 FrogboyMCI on AOL Instant Messenger Feeling Like A Kid Again... My Eyes Are Glued to the Floor. I Hope I Mumble Goodbye As You Walk Out the Door. UhOhUhohh... UhOhUhohhh... UhOhUhohhh... The Damage is Done. - Yo La Tengo -Original Message- From: Matthew L. Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org 313@hyperreal.org Date: Tuesday, December 05, 2000 11:02 PM Subject: Re: [313] the creator DAMMIT I'm beginning to get extremely disgusted with my ISP's mail server. I sent this once, evidentally it didn't post (I have no friggin idea, I'm on digest mode and it went into outer space instead of the list for some reason) so I will post it again. Grrr Originated from My House by Italo Ecstasy in 1986 (ZYX Records). Matt E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.magicmattkelly.com who is the creator of this words ? in the beginning was jack... Jose Bello.Spain i first heard these words on mr. fingers can you feel it but i have this feeling that it is not the original. i have read from somewhere in the that these words are from osheen my house but i have not heard the track... sakke - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [313] the creator
it appears that all of hyperreal is slowed down, none of the lists are posting in any real good time... darw_n create, demonstrate, toneshift... http://www.mp3.com/stations/clevelandunderground http://www.mp3.com/darw_n http://www.sphereproductions.com/topic/Darwin.html http://www.mannequinodd.com - Original Message - From: Phonopsia [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Matthew L. Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2000 10:55 PM Subject: Re: [313] the creator Some of my posts aren't coming through either. Anyone else having problems? Tristan == PHONOPSIA[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Lounge/5102 FrogboyMCI on AOL Instant Messenger Feeling Like A Kid Again... My Eyes Are Glued to the Floor. I Hope I Mumble Goodbye As You Walk Out the Door. UhOhUhohh... UhOhUhohhh... UhOhUhohhh... The Damage is Done. - Yo La Tengo -Original Message- From: Matthew L. Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org 313@hyperreal.org Date: Tuesday, December 05, 2000 11:02 PM Subject: Re: [313] the creator DAMMIT I'm beginning to get extremely disgusted with my ISP's mail server. I sent this once, evidentally it didn't post (I have no friggin idea, I'm on digest mode and it went into outer space instead of the list for some reason) so I will post it again. Grrr Originated from My House by Italo Ecstasy in 1986 (ZYX Records). Matt E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.magicmattkelly.com who is the creator of this words ? in the beginning was jack... Jose Bello.Spain i first heard these words on mr. fingers can you feel it but i have this feeling that it is not the original. i have read from somewhere in the that these words are from osheen my house but i have not heard the track... sakke - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] no sense
haha that has to be one of the funniest things i've ever heard! fav. techno artist and those are your choices? nuts... completely nuts. oh well i guess it'd be too much to ask for them to do even a little research into the things they try and commericialize... later danny - Original Message - From: Dharma Fowler [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2000 6:09 PM Subject: [313] no sense so let me get this straight...ford finally clues into the fact that there's something really amazing that has come/is coming from detroit, and then they're stupid enough to have a poll on the website asking who's your fav. techno artist of the year: Moby, Chemical Bros, or Fatboy Slim? C'mon. This is what commercialism does to the things you love. d _ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Gemini Discog
This is the AMG discog for starters. 1997 Imagine-A-Nation Relief 1997 In and Out of Fog and Lights Peacefrog 1997 In Neutral Distance 1990 Let Your Body Rock Cut It Up Def s 1995 A Moment of Insanity [EP] Planet E 1997 Hibernation [EP] Peacefrog 1997 Beyond Gone Disko B s 1997 Pieces of Euphoria SSR s 1999 In My Head EP [EP] Classic 1999 Take Your Time EP [EP] Cyclo 1999 In My Head EP, Part 2 [EP] Classic 1999 Doctor Doctor [CD5/Cassette Single] Thump s To which, I can add (in no particualr order): 1997 Revolution (featruing the tracks, Movement, of, the, and body) - NRK (This one's great!) 1999 Revolutions EP (featuring tracks from Derrick Carter, Gemini How Can I Be, JT Donaldson and Underground Evolution) - Cyclo 1995 If You Got to Believe in Something - Cajual 221 1993??? The Beginning - Relief 703 (The Beginning is a great track) 1994 U Know How I Feel - Relief 710 (Probably My Least Favorite of His EPs) 1994 Imagine a Nation - Relief 715 (Listed as an album on AMG. I've never seen it as a 2x pack though) 1997 On the North Star With Gemini - Peacefrog 065 (This is that one with dubbier basslines - quite good too) 1994 Spencer Kincey - Tangled Thoughts Vol. 1 - Cajual 211 1995 Welcome to the Future - Relief 725 And, one other 12 with a track called Spirits Vibe. I believe it was the first release on that label too. Searched through all of my records twice and I can't find it. I know it was around here somewhere, but maybe someone can fill in that hole for me. Of these I can highly recommend Pieces of Euphoria on SSR, Revolution, On the North Star and the one I can't find, but really they're all worth having. I'm sure there are others too. Tristan == PHONOPSIA[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Lounge/5102 FrogboyMCI on AOL Instant Messenger Feeling Like A Kid Again... My Eyes Are Glued to the Floor. I Hope I Mumble Goodbye As You Walk Out the Door. UhOhUhohh... UhOhUhohhh... UhOhUhohhh... The Damage is Done. - Yo La Tengo -Original Message- From: mee-thod [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: tristan watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, December 05, 2000 7:31 PM Subject: RE: [313] Gemini i'd be keen to know. i can't search amg now but they may already ahve somehting or u could put it up there. emma mee-thod -it's in the way that you groove it- _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [313] Gemini Discog
don´t forget that 1 on perspective, my personal fave... got two on italian labels as well, look em up when im home...and there´s 1 with french vocals on cajual which is excellent, fusion sumtinprob still loads more, the man produces faster than his shadow... 154
Re: [313] no sense
There's got to be some explanation for all this. Other than what was mentioned here before about the possibly of some marketing guy from Ford dug techno; it might just be that since this commerical came out gearing towards the techno scene which sparked some interest, that other executives decided to overrided the techno guy at ford and struck a deal with disney/american music awards to have this new category added to the ceremony with these jokers for nominess to sell bloody cars? could that happen? I don't know, I think its useless to bicker about it when what the mainstream is doing is so totally different from what we know techno to be. Then again I realize that the problem arises when the mainstream is trying to call fatboy slim techno!!??? I can see misconceptions being the big problem. *sigh*,*sigh*, and *sigh* G l y p h In a message dated 12/6/00 3:02:50 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: haha that has to be one of the funniest things i've ever heard! fav. techno artist and those are your choices? nuts... completely nuts. oh well i guess it'd be too much to ask for them to do even a little research into the things they try and commericialize... later danny - Original Message - From: Dharma Fowler [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2000 6:09 PM Subject: [313] no sense so let me get this straight...ford finally clues into the fact that there's something really amazing that has come/is coming from detroit, and then they're stupid enough to have a poll on the website asking who's your fav. techno artist of the year: Moby, Chemical Bros, or Fatboy Slim? C'mon. This is what commercialism does to the things you love. d _ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Gemini
-Original Message- From: Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 Detroit 313@hyperreal.org Date: Sunday, December 03, 2000 1:48 AM Subject: [313] Gemini I am looking for info on the elusive Gemini for a little article I am writing. Does anyone have any experince watching him DJ, ideas on his releases etc. He just brought out The Music Hall this year which has a kinda Detoit/Chicago feel and of course he's released material on Planet E (not sure of all the titles). I've been a huge Gemini fan for years, although I can't say I've followed his newer output. For being known as a house DJ and producer I think he's always found sneaky ways to incorporate other elements, whether it be the very dubby sounds of A Blue Night on Peacefrog, the tech-house/speed-garage (turning both on their heads) of Movement of the Body on NRK, or any of the examples of incorporating techno: Imagine a Nation on Relief, Spirits Vibe (can't find the record now), the Planet E release and countless others. I think you have to consider him to be equally important as Derrick Carter and Cajmere when you look at the second wave of Chicago house. I do. Flame retardent: when Movement of the Body came out, it was around the time that tech-house and speed garage were both catching on. He found a way to incorporate elements of both into something new, while avoiding the constraints of both those sub-genres. One of my favorite Gemini tracks hands down. BTW: Thanks for the write-up on Garnier. Appartenly he played an underpromoted show in DC while I was in Europe (ain't that how it always happens?) so it was good to get a vicarious experience of it. Tristan == PHONOPSIA[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Lounge/5102 FrogboyMCI on AOL Instant Messenger Feeling Like A Kid Again... My Eyes Are Glued to the Floor. I Hope I Mumble Goodbye As You Walk Out the Door. UhOhUhohh... UhOhUhohhh... UhOhUhohhh... The Damage is Done. - Yo La Tengo _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [313] err...
atomly wrote: http://abc.go.com/primetime/ama/techno_home.html I think one big assumption that's being made throughout this discussion is that Ford decided who to nominate. That decision is made by the AMA organisation, not the sponsors. The AMA most likely decides the nominees based on sales and publicity etc. and then there's no surprise that those three names come up (it's not exactly the first time this sort of thing happens). And with Ford's current ad campaign theme, it's no surprise either that they decide to sponsor such an award, even though they know it's not the real techno. In any case, it's the closest thing at the AMA they have for reaching the intended target audience. Assuming they show the ad during the awards, it will certainly make people wonder what Detroit Techno is. Then it's up to 'us' show them what it all is about (and not flame polite-but-ignorant newbies like what happened to that raver kid a few weeks ago!). Otto
err...
darw_n wrote : so it could be said that techno is the universal music in that all music can be distilled down to techno... heh heh i really can't agree with this statement, though it's a nice thought! i don't see pieces of music as existing on some scale of complexity/design which can be broken down into distinguishable parts. as though a great classical work can be 'reduced' down to some basic building blocks, or similarly a great techno track could be taken and built upon into something more muddled/specific and less 'pure'. to me all music has the potential for clarity/purity of expression, regardless of the form. minimal techno is an approach/attempt at expression, as is mahler's 5th: clearly mahler's works are far more dense, but to suggest that they could be 'distilled' into something more universal seems to miss the point.
Re: [313] err...
Lester Kenyatta Spence wrote: As for the music I think that darw_n is correct. Techno and House are very different from hip-hop for example, in that I really don't think it is possible for these artforms to be co-opted. Don't count on it. For the US, that may be (still) true. In Europe, especially house is completely co-opted. Absorbed, gentrified, dumbed down, regurgitated and spit back out by the mass media for easy consumption by the general public. In other words: 'bagged'. *BUT*, in the process of the bagging of house, occasionally the real thing makes it to the frontline. Wamdue Kids, Paul Johnson, Harry 'Choo Choo' Romero and several other Subliminal artists, Masters At Work, St. Germain, the list goes on. And the good thing about it is, this is happening increasingly more often as the real thing shines through the dirge of the rest. Silent voices *will* be heard. Otto
Re: [313] err...
The wise, well traveled Dutchman, Otto, speaks... =) G l y p h In a message dated 12/6/00 4:35:40 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think one big assumption that's being made throughout this discussion is that Ford decided who to nominate. That decision is made by the AMA organisation, not the sponsors. The AMA most likely decides the nominees based on sales and publicity etc. and then there's no surprise that those three names come up (it's not exactly the first time this sort of thing happens). And with Ford's current ad campaign theme, it's no surprise either that they decide to sponsor such an award, even though they know it's not the real techno. In any case, it's the closest thing at the AMA they have for reaching the intended target audience. Assuming they show the ad during the awards, it will certainly make people wonder what Detroit Techno is. Then it's up to 'us' show them what it all is about (and not flame polite-but-ignorant newbies like what happened to that raver kid a few weeks ago!). Otto
RE: [313] err...
*BUT*, in the process of the bagging of house, occasionally the real thing makes it to the frontline. Wamdue Kids, Paul Johnson, Harry 'Choo Choo' Romero and several other Subliminal artists, Masters At Work, St. Germain, the list goes on. And the good thing about it is, this is happening increasingly more often as the real thing shines through the dirge of the rest. 2001 will be the year of deep house and house music in holland. It seems that more and more people are getting into stuff like St. Germain (His Tourist album reached the top 20 of the album charts) and Rolando. A quote from one of holland's favorite upperground radio dj: i'm suprised about the amount of reactions on DJ Rolando's Jaguar. When MAW release a new 12 it gets loads of airplay on primetime radio. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] err...
Yep, same here in Belgium. Rolando getting tons of airplay on the national radio : Studio Brussel. Unfortunately way too late (as always), but still a kick up the *ss for a lot of people I guess. And guess what: one of the dj's that plays quite often at Studio Brussel also plays from time to time in the pub we are throwing the party with James Pennington. He asked the owner how he managed to get James and plans to contact us to get James on Stu Bru with some publicity for our small party. Sweet! Seems that quality will get a chance after all. John P.S. I don't know about Holland, but here in Belgium papers and magazines are also starting to pick up on 2 Step as being 'the next big thing'. Arrggh, I hope things don't evolve in a Londonesque way where a thing is 'cool' for two weeks (spot the exageration here) and is slashed the week after that. *BUT*, in the process of the bagging of house, occasionally the real thing makes it to the frontline. Wamdue Kids, Paul Johnson, Harry 'Choo Choo' Romero and several other Subliminal artists, Masters At Work, St. Germain, the list goes on. And the good thing about it is, this is happening increasingly more often as the real thing shines through the dirge of the rest. 2001 will be the year of deep house and house music in holland. It seems that more and more people are getting into stuff like St. Germain (His Tourist album reached the top 20 of the album charts) and Rolando. A quote from one of holland's favorite upperground radio dj: i'm suprised about the amount of reactions on DJ Rolando's Jaguar. When MAW release a new 12 it gets loads of airplay on primetime radio. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Killabite 003 Disclaimer
Hullo All, here's a note from Ben Sims. - Original Message - From: Ben Sims To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2000 2:46 AM Subject: killabite again hello people.. sorry to drop a mail on you like this but it's probably my only chance of letting you know before it's too late.. attached is a disclaimer i placed in a uk magazine, basically there is a forthcoming ep that will be released as 'killabite 003' but has nothing to do with me or the other unnamed person originally involved. it is produced by 'rob jarvis' who had little or no involvement in the music featured on the first 2 ep's (he also did a remix on 'projex' under the same name) - he did however think up a name for the project and helped initially sell it, which i guess is the main reason he's trying to cash in on it's suprising success. unfortunately there doesn't appear to be much i can do legally to prevent this happening or to stop the bootlegging of the first 2 ep's. as 'killabite' is essentially a bootleg dj tool anyway. all i can hope is that you do not support this release or any other similar release/remix/repress not generated from the original source, i just want to try and let as many people as possible that i have nothing to do with this release and that i'm not f***ing happy about it. i will continue the series myself next year. thank you for your time, please do me the personal favour of forwarding this mail to every dj/shop/magazine/distributor you know and help me distance myself from this release before it hits the shops. if you have any questions or wish to drop me a mail please feel free thanks again, ben sims. Get the disclaimer image from http://www.diversion.org/killabite.html Cheers, -- nuutti-iivari meriläinen gordon at diversion dot org http colon slash slash www dot diversion dot org slash
Re: [313] Killabite 003 Disclaimer
And here is a reply from Rob Jarvis: - Hi, some of you might have seen this e-mail.. This short note below is my retort. The original Killa bite team was Rob, Phil and Ben as engineer. Rob and Phil went round Ben's to record an EP, all 3 artists were equally involved in the making of the tracks, but because we used samples Ben didn't want to put his name to it and said he was only the Engineer. all three agreed to make a series of 3 releases. Rob came up with the logo and label name Killa bite, and also set a PD deal up with the distribution company he was working with at the time. The the first two EP's got huge reviews, Ben then gave interviews and spoke to Phil and Rob saying that he did not want his name linked with Killa bite anymore and that he didn't want to be involved in the 3rd release. Phil also did not want involvement with the label anymore. Rob made Killa bite 3 with a different Engineer, Ben got upset. the rest is history artist politics is the most boring thing, let the music do the talking. Thanks for your attention, Rob. That's all I know. TOM
Re: [313] err...
minimal techno is an approach/attempt at expression, as is mahler's 5th: clearly mahler's works are far more dense, but to suggest that they could be 'distilled' into something more universal seems to miss the point. and what is the point? I am not being retaliatory here, but I am curios. I have heard that so much, but never heard it explained. When ever I talk about art, another artists always seems to chime in, no way man, that's not the point of art!!!, well, what is this point, and who made it law? Anyways, to protect my statement, for the fun of it, I am willing to bet the mahler's very first glimpse of his 5th. was only a few notes, in his head, he heard these notes and felt the need to expand on them, I mean surely he didn't have the entire piece already there in his head!!! If we can agree on that, than we can see that 1.) all music starts from a super simple point, 3.) you can strip a song or piece down to reveal its core, this few notes in the artists head... darw_n create, demonstrate, toneshift... http://www.mp3.com/stations/clevelandunderground http://www.mp3.com/darw_n http://www.sphereproductions.com/topic/Darwin.html http://www.mannequinodd.com
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RE: [313] err...
the 'point' is that mahler expresses himself one way, hawtin (for example) another. the fact that hawtin's music is generally more stripped/minimal than mahler's doesn't mean that it's emotional content/expression is more universal/pure. they are both equally universal/pure in my view (it's the self expression that is universal, not the method). i.e. suggesting that mahler can be reduced into more basic components (techno?!) is, in my view, meaningless : his work exists as it is. in reply to your second point, i think i would agree that generally a musician's/artist's work will spring from a fledgling idea and be built upon into a complete work, but this doesn't mean that this initial idea is the defining vision of the finished work, it's just a starting point. secondly i would be willing to bet that Mozart (don't know about Mahler) _did_ have entire pieces in his head before writing them down. but, there aren't a lot of mozart's around :) h -Original Message- From: darw_n [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 06 December 2000 16:36 To: Williams, Howard; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] err... minimal techno is an approach/attempt at expression, as is mahler's 5th: clearly mahler's works are far more dense, but to suggest that they could be 'distilled' into something more universal seems to miss the point. and what is the point? I am not being retaliatory here, but I am curios. I have heard that so much, but never heard it explained. When ever I talk about art, another artists always seems to chime in, no way man, that's not the point of art!!!, well, what is this point, and who made it law? Anyways, to protect my statement, for the fun of it, I am willing to bet the mahler's very first glimpse of his 5th. was only a few notes, in his head, he heard these notes and felt the need to expand on them, I mean surely he didn't have the entire piece already there in his head!!! If we can agree on that, than we can see that 1.) all music starts from a super simple point, 3.) you can strip a song or piece down to reveal its core, this few notes in the artists head... darw_n create, demonstrate, toneshift... http://www.mp3.com/stations/clevelandunderground http://www.mp3.com/darw_n http://www.sphereproductions.com/topic/Darwin.html http://www.mannequinodd.com
Re: Convextion
Those do sound good but I'm going to pass up his material on Tektite because the whole Basic Channel inspired dub sound with Roland strings and pads over the top is getting a little stale. This should have been released two or three years ago (that's probably when it was made) But I shouldn't be too hard on Convextion, his music sounds better then 90% of the tech-house crap that is out there. stephen. Excellent - the tracks on this sampler sound like this is one to snap up when it surfaces! cheers, Dan http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1267/index.html http://www.mp3.com/DanButler -Original Message- From: tristan watkins [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 December 2000 15:59 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] Who is the remixer? I just saw on the Tektie site http://www.isolateral.com that Convextion album is due out in Spring 2001. Tristan --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone know who is behind the (very faithful sounding) house remix of Talking Heads Once in a lifetime? From what I heard of it, it's so similar to the original, but just sped up with a more pronounced bass drum. While I'm here - what about the Convextion album we were promised?!! cheers. Dan http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1267/index.html http://www.mp3.com/DanButler - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: [313] Gemini Discog
...and a couple of more recent releases: 1999 Gemini - 'Swimmin Wit Sharks' 12 (Classic 077) 2000? Spencer Kincy - 'The 4th Day' 12 (Make Out Music 004) Both are great 12s. cheers ~Askew _ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com
Re: [313] Gemini Discog
that make out ting is from 97/98 or sumtin, been playin it since thenexcellent stuff! 154
Convextion
in defense of Convextion: he sent me two acetates about a year or so ago and they were far far from being basic channel style dub with roland strings on top; they were quite excellent, actually, and the material still sounds fresh to this day. listen to his tracks on matrix's digital sects 2 compilation and they still sound fresh 7 years later. his full length is taking so long because he's got tons of tracks done and keeps recording more and more. word is that this album will be a *variety* of styles, not just tech-house. convextion is too talented to settle for copying; i'm sure the album will be extremely impressive. hope this clears things up. thanks. andrew duke :) -- Cognition/Andrew Duke's In The Mix http://techno.ca/cognition 1096 Queen St #123 Halifax NS Canada B3H 2R9
Re: [313] err...
Oh god!!! I think the presenters of this award should be the four horseman of the apocalypse! Hugh G. Blaze wrote: I'm in rather dire need of the sage wisdom of this list and its members on this issue for a project that I'm working on. Is this good or bad for our music and culture? When I say this I mean the fact that the mainstream press, the marketing and advertising industries and America in general still remains clueless as to who the artists are that we are interested in, the music that we actually buy (as demonstrated by this poll). Is that a good thing or bad thing? Would it be better if every city in the US had a 5,000 person capacity multi-media and Derick May (or whoever) was in the top 40? Would that kill the spirit of the culture, in your opinion? Please answer - your opinions on this are invaluable to me. Beat me to it Atomly :) Is it just me, or is this every shade of wrong? http://abc.go.com/primetime/ama/techno_home.html -- :: atomly :: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.atomly.com | http://www.mp3.com/atomly - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] did we influence....trance?
Peace... Just thought I would add my 2 cents, I agree that trance was definitely influenced by do techno and Detroit, but we must also understand that trance was also heavily influenced by whats was popular in clubs in the 80's, and I would say, a lot of eurodance pop formulaic tracks..if you analyze trance tracks with a critical mind, you will see that a lot of them tend to follow the same formula..vocal samples..then a break..then it builds back again..then back to vocals..that formula is characteristic of European commercial dance music..also known as Hi-Nrg Fahd Al Noor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Albuquerque, NM On Tue, 5 Dec 2000 21:32:04 -0500, Phonopsia wrote: Absolutely. Trance came from Detroit techno. Stardancer is the obvious example. Also, think: Sun Electric's Entrance. The title is not a coincidental mispelling. And Sun Electric are only a few steps of collaborations from Eddie Fowlkes, Juan Atkins, Moritz Von Oswals, etc. ___ Tired of slow Internet? Get @Home Broadband Internet http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html
RE: [313] err...
consider this: If you take an elaborate Opera, you can theoretically distill it, all while keeping its general feel, down to techno. Ambient may or may not work, it depends on your approach. But you could distill the Opera down to one crucial segment (which probably was the musical seed for the composer interesting enough) consisting of a few notes, and repeat it... so it could be said that techno is the universal music in that all music can be distilled down to techno... i think what you are actually saying is that all music, techno included can be reduced to a few simple notes that hold its meaning reducing other music to a few notes, and repeating makes techno...which makes it a meta-creation from those notes, like distilling down to the essence(notes) then building back up from there. Another example, Beethoven's 9th, the Ode to Joy movement. You can easily see that there are simply a few key notes in which the entire symphony is based off of. If you took those key notes, distilled them further into an unrecognizable sound, overlaid it with a simple rhythm, you would have a *powerful* techno track... and here you are talking about adding to the distilled essence, which in turn further waters down the essence, so you could say that if you distill a techno track to its hook, or a few notes that represent that track then you are distilling it down to ITS essence... not the other way around
RE: [313] err...
And with Ford's current ad campaign theme, it's no surprise either that they decide to sponsor such an award, even though they know it's not the real techno. In any case, it's the closest thing at the AMA they have for reaching the intended target audience. Assuming they show the ad during the awards, it will certainly make people wonder what Detroit Techno is. Then it's up to 'us' show them what it all is about (and not flame polite-but-ignorant newbies like what happened to that raver kid a few weeks ago!). as long as people are attaching some kind of motive to ford, why not try and act, PURELY for the sake of argument that they are hoping to popularize techno(which would be good for their campaign), as in REAL techno. so by sponsoring this category(i wouldnt be surprised if the AMA approached ford) they are reaching the fringe audience, albeit the far fringe. the people that like these people THINK they like techno and are closer to liking that sound than say the n'sync crowd...so maybe ford is recruiting true heads from the closest market they can find that is that big so you find people that think they like techno, make em look at your car, they see the ad with real techno, like it, more people like it, techno gets more popular, then bam they can take all the credit because they were the company advertising with it and people by their car. but really its just back to the failure of labeling, what we call techno is not what others call techno maybe big-beat or electronica is too passe for them. OR maybe the whole ford focus ad campaign was made by someone who trolls these lists and wanted to see everyone get all huffy about it. thatd be awesome
Annoying automatic reply in Swedish
Peace.. I wonder if all of you who have been posting lately got this annoying automatic reply in Swedish..the e-mail address is [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailbox must be full Fahd Al Noor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Albuquerque, NM ___ Tired of slow Internet? Get @Home Broadband Internet http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html
Re: [313] Annoying automatic reply in Swedish
courtesy of monsiegneur leo Subject: New language developments in Europe The News Standard has received this bulletin fresh from our Brussels-based hack. The European Union commissioners have announced that agreement has been reached to adopt English as the preferred language for European communications, rather than German, which was the other possibility. As part of the negotiations, Her Majesty's Government conceded that English spelling had some room for improvement and has accepted a five-year phased plan for what will be known as EuroEnglish (Euro for short). In the first year, s will be used instead of the soft c. Sertainly, sivil servants will resieve this news with joy. Also, the hard c will be replaced with k. Not only will this klear up konfusion, but typewriters kan have one less letter. There will be growing publik emthusiasm in the sekond year, when the troublesome ph will be replaced by f. This will make words like fotograf 20 per sent shorter. In the third year, publik akseptanse of the new spelling kan be expekted to reach the stage where more komplikated changes are possible. Governments will enkorage the removal of double letters, which have always ben a deterent to akurate speling. Also, al wil agre that the horible mes of silent es in the languag is disgrasful, and they would go. By the fourth year, peopl wil be reseptiv to steps such as replasing th by z and w by v During ze fifz year, ze unesesary o kan be dropd from vords kontaining ou, and similar changes vud of kors be aplid to ozer kombinations of leters. After zis fifz yer, ve vil hav a reli sensibl riten styl. Zer vil be no mor trubls or difikultis and evrivun vil find it ezi tu understand ech ozer. Ze drem vil finali kum tru. :) mail reply is straight from euromail EU-HQ tryin out sum futurelinguistic xperimental stuff
RE: [313] err...
FORD COULD CARE LESS ABOUT TECHNO! THEY JUST WANT TO SELL CARS! that's the bottom line. if they thought there was a big enough market for Midget Transsexual Racecar Drivers they would exploit that. it's all about appealing to a mass of people and then moving in for the kill, it has about as much to do with techno as the AMA has to do with music :) -Original Message- From: Topping, Micah [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 9:57 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [313] err... And with Ford's current ad campaign theme, it's no surprise either that they decide to sponsor such an award, even though they know it's not the real techno. In any case, it's the closest thing at the AMA they have for reaching the intended target audience. Assuming they show the ad during the awards, it will certainly make people wonder what Detroit Techno is. Then it's up to 'us' show them what it all is about (and not flame polite-but-ignorant newbies like what happened to that raver kid a few weeks ago!). as long as people are attaching some kind of motive to ford, why not try and act, PURELY for the sake of argument that they are hoping to popularize techno(which would be good for their campaign), as in REAL techno. so by sponsoring this category(i wouldnt be surprised if the AMA approached ford) they are reaching the fringe audience, albeit the far fringe. the people that like these people THINK they like techno and are closer to liking that sound than say the n'sync crowd...so maybe ford is recruiting true heads from the closest market they can find that is that big so you find people that think they like techno, make em look at your car, they see the ad with real techno, like it, more people like it, techno gets more popular, then bam they can take all the credit because they were the company advertising with it and people by their car. but really its just back to the failure of labeling, what we call techno is not what others call techno maybe big-beat or electronica is too passe for them. OR maybe the whole ford focus ad campaign was made by someone who trolls these lists and wanted to see everyone get all huffy about it. thatd be awesome - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] err...
Ford is just a multinational with billions dolars of proffits and if anybody on this list really think Ford is interested in techno at all or want to lift techno to a higher lever then they are extremly ignorant. Some smart guy down at Ford just noticed how populair the DEMF was, they not here to make a better world guys, they want to cash in Actually i do believe the last part of your e-mail is true... [EMAIL PROTECTED] as long as people are attaching some kind of motive to ford, why not try and act, PURELY for the sake of argument that they are hoping to popularize techno(which would be good for their campaign), as in REAL techno. so by sponsoring this category(i wouldnt be surprised if the AMA approached ford) they are reaching the fringe audience, albeit the far fringe. the people that like these people THINK they like techno and are closer to liking that sound than say the n'sync crowd...so maybe ford is recruiting true heads from the closest market they can find that is that big so you find people that think they like techno, make em look at your car, they see the ad with real techno, like it, more people like it, techno gets more popular, then bam they can take all the credit because they were the company advertising with it and people by their car. but really its just back to the failure of labeling, what we call techno is not what others call techno maybe big-beat or electronica is too passe for them. OR maybe the whole ford focus ad campaign was made by someone who trolls these lists and wanted to see everyone get all huffy about it. thatd be awesome - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] err...
reducing other music to a few notes, and repeating makes techno...which makes it a meta-creation from those notes, like distilling down to the essence(notes) then building back up from there. no, you make techno by switching on your drumcomputer and sampler [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] Annoying automatic reply in Swedish
Peace... Speaking of list moderators..who are they now? I am pretty sure the infamous George Smiley retired long time ago..any info on this character? Is Andrew Duke one of them? :D Fahd Al Noor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Albuquerque, NM On Wed, 6 Dec 2000 16:25:15 +0100 , Jongsma, K.J. wrote: Try mailing messages like this to some of the list moderators, they can usub this person. ___ Tired of slow Internet? Get @Home Broadband Internet http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html
RE: [313] err...
I certainly have to agree with this last comment. I recently had some involvement with Ford for work, and could not for the life of me figure out HOW they got a single vehicle out the door. This, amidst the whole tire recall issue. In seeing the add on tv a few weeks ago, all I could think was that some kid at JWT (I'm assuming...) has a big old grin on his face because he was able to push his idea through the tube I'm the one who got detroit techno on tv. And trust me, this is NO easy thing. Particularly with all the typical music that gets represented with car adds. Nissan, Volvo, VW, etc I don't give Ford credit, but instead the person behind the idea at JWT (again, assuming). charles On Wed, 06 December 2000, John Shipman wrote: FORD COULD CARE LESS ABOUT TECHNO! THEY JUST WANT TO SELL CARS! that's the bottom line. if they thought there was a big enough market for Midget Transsexual Racecar Drivers they would exploit that. it's all about appealing to a mass of people and then moving in for the kill, it has about as much to do with techno as the AMA has to do with music :) -Original Message- From:Topping, Micah [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent:Wednesday, December 06, 2000 9:57 AM To:313@hyperreal.org Subject:RE: [313] err... And with Ford's current ad campaign theme, it's no surprise either that they decide to sponsor such an award, even though they know it's not the real techno. In any case, it's the closest thing at the AMA they have for reaching the intended target audience. Assuming they show the ad during the awards, it will certainly make people wonder what Detroit Techno is. Then it's up to 'us' show them what it all is about (and not flame polite-but-ignorant newbies like what happened to that raver kid a few weeks ago!). as long as people are attaching some kind of motive to ford, why not try and act, PURELY for the sake of argument that they are hoping to popularize techno(which would be good for their campaign), as in REAL techno. so by sponsoring this category(i wouldnt be surprised if the AMA approached ford) they are reaching the fringe audience, albeit the far fringe. the people that like these people THINK they like techno and are closer to liking that sound than say the n'sync crowd...so maybe ford is recruiting true heads from the closest market they can find that is that big so you find people that think they like techno, make em look at your car, they see the ad with real techno, like it, more people like it, techno gets more popular, then bam they can take all the credit because they were the company advertising with it and people by their car. but really its just back to the failure of labeling, what we call techno is not what others call techno maybe big-beat or electronica is too passe for them. OR maybe the whole ford focus ad campaign was made by someone who trolls these lists and wanted to see everyone get all huffy about it. thatd be awesome - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] did we influence....trance?
on 12/5/2000 9:01 PM, christos at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: however, I wonder, how much influence did we have on the development of trance? We discussed this briefly five weeks ago, when our pal Chrome3 admitted: I am sick of that boring soulful kenny larkin crap, I want rippin' arpeggios, pumpin 909 kicks, and swirling psychedelic dolphin noises. ;^) -- There4IM
Re: [313] did we influence....trance?
We discussed this briefly five weeks ago, when our pal Chrome3 admitted: I am sick of that boring soulful kenny larkin crap, I want rippin' arpeggios, pumpin 909 kicks, and swirling psychedelic dolphin noises. ahh, that was a proud moment in 313 history. chris --- just ripped an apreggio
Re: [313] err...
On Tue, 5 Dec 2000, atomly wrote: [...] I'd say the problem with the mainstream media picking up subgenres is that they burn fast and die quickly... If techno (true, underground, techno) were to get big tomorrow, a lot of people that we know would probably become superstars overnight and in a year or two it would be completely dead (a la grunge). I don't think this would happen. The question to ask is this: what is mainstream music, what makes it mainstream? Answers typically cover a range but seem to revolve around the fact that there is massive appeal so they can sell the millions of CDs and videos. But do you think this would happen is someone who really enjoys Brittany Spears listened to a Juan Atkins track? Would NSync fans get down to the latest offerings of tech-house? They would if said music was marketed the same way as NSync and Miss. Brittany. The problem is there is little to hang a hat on with techno. No lyrics? Aww, come on. Get real! I think the same arguement can be made about any music living on the margins of society. If it doesn't have mass appeal there is little chance of it being glommed onto (yes, that's a highly used, technical marketing term) by the masses. Although, there is always the arguement of those who attended DEMF and saw people who had never heard techno go nuts. And I'll always remember a gig I played at one of the annual festivals in Milwaukee. It was an event called Maritime Days and the local college station had a tent and had bands playing during the day and at night. A friend of mine who has a Saturday night techno show on the station brought in a few friends to play records during his show at this festival. About half an hours after my friend's show started the Jerry Lee Lewis concert let out on the other side of the festival grounds. As people were filing out on their way home they were hypnotically pulled into our tent and were held rapt by the dance music playing out our sound system. I don't think I've ever seen a more diverse crowd of humans enjoying something together. My point? The mainstream media outlets who market music to the masses don't know the first thing about how they would market techno. What we know and what they miss is so simple: all that has to happen is for people to here the music with an open mind. Steven White steve at barking cat dot org aytch tee tee pea colon slash slash barking cat dot org slash
RE: [313] err...
What about letting the four DUTCHMEN of the Apocalypse present it? Now that would be fun! Oh god!!! I think the presenters of this award should be the four horseman of the apocalypse! Hugh G. Blaze wrote: I'm in rather dire need of the sage wisdom of this list and its members on this issue for a project that I'm working on. Is this good or bad for our music and culture? When I say this I mean the fact that the mainstream press, the marketing and advertising industries and America in general still remains clueless as to who the artists are that we are interested in, the music that we actually buy (as demonstrated by this poll). Is that a good thing or bad thing? Would it be better if every city in the US had a 5,000 person capacity multi-media and Derick May (or whoever) was in the top 40? Would that kill the spirit of the culture, in your opinion? Please answer - your opinions on this are invaluable to me. Beat me to it Atomly :) Is it just me, or is this every shade of wrong? http://abc.go.com/primetime/ama/techno_home.html -- :: atomly :: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.atomly.com | http://www.mp3.com/atomly - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] err...
On Tue, Dec 05, 2000 at 08:24:53PM -0800, darw_n wrote: techno is generally [...] politically positionless Since when? -- :: atomly :: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.atomly.com | http://www.mp3.com/atomly
Re: [313] did we influence....trance?
We discussed this briefly five weeks ago, when our pal Chrome3 admitted: I am sick of that boring soulful kenny larkin crap, I want rippin' arpeggios, pumpin 909 kicks, and swirling psychedelic dolphin noises. Please, dont get me wrong, I couldn't even tell you the name of a single trance producer, its just that I know some trance freaks that think it is this new thing, when in reality, Detroit was maknig music like this many years ago. It is evident that we did have some sort of influence on this genre, though when we did it (or something like it) it was actually good. This facinates me, because it is part of my quest to figure out why so many people who are into electronic music in Detroit cannot grasp the fact that Detroit produces some of the worlds finest electronic music. -christos
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Re: [313] err...
From: Sam Karmel [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Maybe we should let our voices be heard!!! I agree... Instead of whining and complaining about what should or shouldn't be techno and of what this _may_ do to our music, we should respectfully send a couple thousand e-mails to abc, and let them know what WE think. Does anyone disagree? Worst case, nothing happens, just llike if we sat here and argued about it the whole time Dennis _ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com
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RE: [313] Fw: Plus 8 contest WINNER on ACIDplanet
Congrats to you Christian. Looking forward to hearing the end result. GYS -Original Message- From: Christian Bloch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 1:04 PM To: 313 Subject: [313] Fw: Plus 8 contest WINNER on ACIDplanet Importance: High check below ;) Christian Bloch www.mp3.com/bloch Tresor/LL/Deep Night Essentials/Simple Muzik/Funque Droppings/Set.Go - Original Message - From: Steve Foldvari [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 6:37 PM Subject: Plus 8 contest on ACIDplanet Christian - You've won the Plus 8 remix contest on ACIDplanet. In fact, you've won twice. Not only are you the Grand Prize winner, but another of your tracks was selected as the runner-up. Please contact me asap regarding some bio information on you, so that we can showcase you and your compositions on ACIDplanet. Thanks. Steve Steve Foldvari Online Promotions Manager Sonic Foundry 1617 Sherman Avenue Madison, WI 53704 Phone: 608.204.8024 Cell: 608.206.2202 Fax: 608.256.7300 http://www.sonicfoundry.com http://acidplanet.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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As originally planned, the Plus 8 / Sonic Foundry contest was to have a single winner. But we had so many entries of such quality that we decided to expand on this a bit. Along with the grand prize winner (software from SF and publishing of track by Plus 8) Richie has selected a list of runners-up and honorable mentions to be posted on Sonic Foundry's and our site sometime next week. The runners-up will also be receiving some additional prizes (CDs, mousepads, software, etc.) that we're putting together as this is being typed. Once again, we'd like to thank everyone who participated for their time and creativity. We were simply overwhelmed with the quantity and more importantly, quality of the results. :) - Craig Stodolenak minus inc / plus 8 records
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Lester Kenyatta Spence wrote: As for the music I think that darw_n is correct. Techno and House are very different from hip-hop for example, in that I really don't think it is possible for these artforms to be co-opted. Otto said: Don't count on it. For the US, that may be (still) true. In Europe, especially house is completely co-opted. Absorbed, gentrified, dumbed down, regurgitated and spit back out by the mass media for easy consumption by the general public. In other words: 'bagged'. *BUT*, in the process of the bagging of house, occasionally the real thing makes it to the frontline. Wamdue Kids, Paul Johnson, Harry 'Choo Choo' Romero and several other Subliminal artists, Masters At Work, St. Germain, the list goes on. And the good thing about it is, this is happening increasingly more often as the real thing shines through the dirge of the rest. Silent voices *will* be heard. This is exactly what I was trying to get at, thank you Otto. I'm working on a project right now that draws some parallels between the UK and the US, or rather makes some comparisons between the two. What I'm trying to discern is wether this commercialization is mostly good or mostly bad. That's a gross simplification, but it basically sums it up what I'm working on. _ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com
Re: [313] Fw: Plus 8 contest WINNER on ACIDplanet
Congratulations Christian, I'll be checking it out as soon as I get home. Jonny. - Original Message - From: Christian Bloch [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 6:04 PM Subject: [313] Fw: Plus 8 contest WINNER on ACIDplanet check below ;) Christian Bloch www.mp3.com/bloch Tresor/LL/Deep Night Essentials/Simple Muzik/Funque Droppings/Set.Go - Original Message - From: Steve Foldvari [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 6:37 PM Subject: Plus 8 contest on ACIDplanet Christian - You've won the Plus 8 remix contest on ACIDplanet. In fact, you've won twice. Not only are you the Grand Prize winner, but another of your tracks was selected as the runner-up. Please contact me asap regarding some bio information on you, so that we can showcase you and your compositions on ACIDplanet. Thanks. Steve Steve Foldvari Online Promotions Manager Sonic Foundry 1617 Sherman Avenue Madison, WI 53704 Phone: 608.204.8024 Cell: 608.206.2202 Fax: 608.256.7300 http://www.sonicfoundry.com http://acidplanet.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Marketing, advertising, Ford and techno (yet again)
(changed subj. to reflect content) Charles said: In seeing the add on tv a few weeks ago, all I could think was that some kid at JWT (I'm assuming...) has a big old grin on his face because he was able to push his idea through the tube I'm the one who got detroit techno on tv. I dunno why I didn't chime in on this weeks ago or whenever this all started... I work for a marketing company that handled part of the Ford Focus campaign last year. and I think I can give a little insight into all this as well... This ad campaign isn't an isolated phenomenon. IE: there isn't one young guy or girl at the ad agency that came up w/this as his baby This is part of an extended campaign to market this car to Gen Y 18-24 year olds. It has been going on since the Focus was introduced. In fact, Ford created the Fcous to have a product to market to this demographic. With this latest effort, Ford is trying to pin down an increasingly hard to pin-down youth market. Last spring, Ford (through Spin magazine) contracted the street marketing company I work for, Ground Control, to promote the car. This included distributing thousands of custom made Ford Focus lollipops (yep) at raves, record stores, and anywhere else YOU hang out. They hire companies like Ground Control because those companies know where you are, Ford doesn't. It's a decent side job, but one I don't take hella seriously. In any case, I can say with some confidence that large corporations like Ford don't usually choose their ad campaigns at the whim of some kid at the agency. Everything - from the design of the product to how it is promoted, marketed and advertised - is researched and coordinated to maximize the desired result: selling it to the consumer. This particulr (Det Tech) advertising campaign is part of a salvo of youth oriented campaigns, which fetaure a variety of interests and youth cultures, from extreme sports to young country. _ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com
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Re: [313] err...
techno is generally [...] politically positionless Since when? since I have yet to hear a real stance from techno what great movement do we represent? darw_n create, demonstrate, toneshift... http://www.mp3.com/stations/clevelandunderground http://www.mp3.com/darw_n http://www.sphereproductions.com/topic/Darwin.html http://www.mannequinodd.com
Re: [313] err...
On Wed, Dec 06, 2000 at 03:25:45PM -0800, darw_n wrote: since I have yet to hear a real stance from techno UR? -- :: atomly :: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.atomly.com | http://www.mp3.com/atomly
Re: [313] err...
On Wed, Dec 06, 2000 at 03:25:45PM -0800, darw_n wrote: since I have yet to hear a real stance from techno UR? sure, but I can point to many many groups within the techno scene who have entirely polar opposite views, UR's is simply one position in a near infinite amount of stances, varying from one extreme to another. Because of this highly factioned system of opinions, the only just position that indeed covers the entire movement is none at all... darw_n create, demonstrate, toneshift... http://www.mp3.com/stations/clevelandunderground http://www.mp3.com/darw_n http://www.sphereproductions.com/topic/Darwin.html http://www.mannequinodd.com
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On Wed, Dec 06, 2000 at 04:00:13PM -0800, darw_n wrote: sure, but I can point to many many groups within the techno scene who have entirely polar opposite views, UR's is simply one position in a near infinite amount of stances, varying from one extreme to another. Because of this highly factioned system of opinions, the only just position that indeed covers the entire movement is none at all... Because Communists exist and Fascists exist and are diametrically opposed, politics don't exist? -- :: atomly :: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.atomly.com | http://www.mp3.com/atomly
[313] err......
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Re: [313] err...
Because Communists exist and Fascists exist and are diametrically opposed, politics don't exist? no, that's not what I said at all. Those two opposing political forces do NOT represent a single group. Let me try to re-explain... Techno has no single political, social, economic banner in which all stand united, none at all. The point I was making specifically was that techno is a ambiguous movement... This is very very critical BTW in the realm of social history, a social movement in which has no manifesto, or even formal regulation. This is a first... That was my point... a movement with no defined cause... darw_n create, demonstrate, toneshift... http://www.mp3.com/stations/clevelandunderground http://www.mp3.com/darw_n http://www.sphereproductions.com/topic/Darwin.html http://www.mannequinodd.com
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Atomly quipped: Because Communists exist and Fascists exist and are diametrically opposed, politics don't exist? Dawrw_n replied: no, that's not what I said at all. Those two opposing political forces do NOT represent a single group. Let me try to re-explain... Techno has no single political, social, economic banner in which all stand united, none at all. What artistic, social or political movement ever has? None. _ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com
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BUT, Detroit techno is indeed a little different in that it is very much tied to jazz and blues, almost equaled to... in what way? when i listen to jazz ornette coleman, miles davis, sun ra, don cherry, art ensemble, whatever, i hear very different things than when i listen to derrick may, stacey pullen. basic channel, theo parrish or moodymann. But the essence of techno is simplicity and repetition, it is the base if you will to all other forms of music... i always thought that the essence of the music was the feeling it had, where and when how by whom it was created. the characteristics you mention are common to lots of different kinds of music and describe or define very little. you could be describing a nursery rhyme.
Re: [313] err...
Techno has no single political, social, economic banner in which all stand united, none at all. What artistic, social or political movement ever has? None. fine rebuttal, but there *was* a general underlying common drive. Every youth music movement has had a general drive, be it war or whatever. Art, the surrealists had an actual drafted manifesto, Bauhaus, Realists, ect. They all had a unifying definition and a common goal. But with techno, has no general and definable base... I am seeing that I am choosing the wrong words, damn. OK, lets try this. The Punk movement in the UK had specific reasons and broad unified complaints, despite the internal punk factions. There main complaint was the Queen and the dole (I'm from America, so forgive me if I am general). The 60's movement, obviously, had both war and civil rights, the swing era had an oppressive morality system in which it was fighting, I could go on and on. So invite someone to say, the techno movement has ___. fill in the blank. BTW, I often sound heated in typing, I am not, I enjoy this debate, in fact I just submitted a paper to the sociology dept. today for review (albeit, dealing more with the rave scene) darw_n create, demonstrate, toneshift... http://www.mp3.com/stations/clevelandunderground http://www.mp3.com/darw_n http://www.sphereproductions.com/topic/Darwin.html http://www.mannequinodd.com
Re: [313] no sense
i've got nothing wrong with Chem Bros., Fatboy Slim, Moby, whatever being in the AMA... the only thing i wish is that they wouldn't insult techno's name by putting them under a techno category. how about breakbeat, or dance pop? Mike From: Steven White [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: *bleep* c r u n c h *bleep* 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] no sense Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 18:33:09 -0600 (EST) On Tue, 5 Dec 2000, Dharma Fowler wrote: so let me get this straight...ford finally clues into the fact that there's something really amazing that has come/is coming from detroit, and then they're stupid enough to have a poll on the website asking who's your fav. techno artist of the year: Moby, Chemical Bros, or Fatboy Slim? C'mon. This is what commercialism does to the things you love. Honestly, what does this do to the things we love? They might be calling the dreck that these pop stars produce techno but it does absolutely nothing to the music I love or the artists who produce this music. Something like a Best of Techno category at the American Music (sic) Awards is of course laughable but that is exactly my point. Like the man said in the 1980s: Can't touch this. =) Steven White http://barkingcat.org c:\ c:\ Reality sys.exe corrupt. Reboot universe? (Y/N) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com
[313] distilled techno (was Re: [313] err...)
I think you're missing the point, to pun badly. Listen to a remix ep or album some time and you'll see what I mean. The point of the music is not neccessarily to distill that key idea fundamental to it. The point is the artistic expression OF that point. I can think of numerous remix projects (Jaguar, for example) and two recent compilations, one where each artist had to express the idea of love and the other osmosis. Now Jaguar can be distilled down to a few key components, but that hardly makes the cheap knockoff the same as the original the same as the jeff mills remix. There might be something to be said for finding a good cornerstone, but to say that the cornerstone IS the building I think circumvents (is that the right word) a vital aspect of artistic expression. That interpretation of the idea by the artist through the medium is important. Monet painted a picture of a pond with paint. I think that distilling that to either just paint or just a pond misses what makes that artwork special. Just a thought. From: darw_n [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Williams, Howard [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] err... Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 08:35:36 -0800 minimal techno is an approach/attempt at expression, as is mahler's 5th: clearly mahler's works are far more dense, but to suggest that they could be 'distilled' into something more universal seems to miss the point. and what is the point? I am not being retaliatory here, but I am curios. I have heard that so much, but never heard it explained. When ever I talk about art, another artists always seems to chime in, no way man, that's not the point of art!!!, well, what is this point, and who made it law? Anyways, to protect my statement, for the fun of it, I am willing to bet the mahler's very first glimpse of his 5th. was only a few notes, in his head, he heard these notes and felt the need to expand on them, I mean surely he didn't have the entire piece already there in his head!!! If we can agree on that, than we can see that 1.) all music starts from a super simple point, 3.) you can strip a song or piece down to reveal its core, this few notes in the artists head... darw_n _ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com
Re: [313] err... darw_n's brain is too big
- Original Message - From: darw_n [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Hugh G. Blaze [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 8:08 PM Subject: Re: [313] err... Techno has no single political, social, economic banner in which all stand united, none at all. What artistic, social or political movement ever has? None. fine rebuttal, but there *was* a general underlying common drive. Every youth music movement has had a general drive, be it war or whatever. Art, the surrealists had an actual drafted manifesto, Bauhaus, Realists, ect. They all had a unifying definition and a common goal. But with techno, has no general and definable base... --- i believe the common goal of techno is to create music that hasn't been heard before. i've heard plenty of artists say the same thing most notably juan atkins and jeff mills. is this not enough of a unifying definition and a common goal for ya? : ) kao jyan
