(313) Studio Version of my Detroit NYE LivePA
I performed a LivePA in Detroit for new years at Forans Irish Pub... If you've ever been to DEMF and needed to escape the heat/rain/people usually it's the first bar that's open along the street Response to my performance at the show was really positive so when I got back after new years I tried to recapture it and recorded a version of it. I posted it online and wanted to share it with my fellow 313'rs who might enjoy it as a nice distraction. (especially in reference to teh What happened to rhythms) Give it a listen from this URL: http://www.lx7.ca/audio/VergelEvans-StudioPA-FwdLookingRwd.mp3 I built the PA using an MPC4000 and a Nord Modular... for a mixer I used the Stanton SA-5 mixer.. which was/is all I have for a small mixer. You ran read more about on http://Lx7.ca or check out the podcast where I show how I used the MPC to perform it.
Re: (313) What's happened to rhythms?
On 1/9/07, J.T. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: you crazy. those are both extremely good albums that deserve more than to just be lumped off as "electro"..they are soundtracks..real albums...urban tribe especially brings a lot of really unpredictable and amazing sounds, complex arrangements...i'm not always in the mood for anything, but those are essentials if you ask me... ill check them again. ill go with the slsk steelo to get a better feel for their flavor in entirety, listening to just clips isnt the best way for checking out records! those doods are responsible for much music that i love.. haha yeah lately i'm listening to tons of old strictly stuff and kicking myself for writing the label off and not paying more attention before... i mean, theres just SO MUCH garbage in there. for the couple ive found recently that im feeling, i must have left another 20 at the shop. and those records were not just bad, they were atrociously boring and derivative. its the biggest problem with SR! also i picked up that hip to be disillusioned re-release on prescription classicso deep but so dancefloor...more more...repress the circulation on balance plase! and the abacus! etc etc... i havent seen that one around, im definitely down for getting that balance and prescription stuff, just not at the crazy second hand prices. theyre just not worth that to me! i do wish theyd do real straight up represses instead of the one sided one tune version, but ill take what i can get... and i picked up the mdIII re-release on clone classic...can't believe "let i it be house" wasnt included tho...argh. i would like to see more classic house re-releases and less disco madness...repress the serious grooves catalog! i just found mp3's of claude young's lowkey stuff from sg...who...i love his techno stuff on frictional and 7th city, but his house stuff is amazing too and totally different...so many great inspiring old records i still have never heard...meanwhile the newest trend is squeezed dry and stomped into the ground...as ever.. im also really feeling alot of late 80s NYC house stuff as well, thats some music that is largely overlooked (aside from a bit of nu groove popularity) right now as well. the claude young house joint i have on DOW is pretty nice as well. i do wish those chi labels would start doing straight up represses instead of the licensing reissues. if these reissues can be arranged, why arent these cats lining up to do the whole catalogues of some of those labels? theyd make mad bank and bring back so much music that is awesome and just isnt out there because of the crazy rarity.. tom
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No luck finding the d/l for this set, BUT for the record here's a recent tracklist from part of a Villalobos set ... I think this more less demonstrates my point. 00:00 Ricardo Villalobos - Heike (original mix) 01:30 Joey Beltram - Back Porch 05:20 Heckmann & Gecko - Out Of Mind 10:00 Dominik Eulberg - Blueten Sind Dem Grossem Schillerfalter (Adam Beyer remix) 14:20 ? 22:10 Visnadi - Racing Tracks 30:50 DJ Fame - Name It X 35:20 Jeff Mills - In the bush 39:00 ? 41:55 Brother From Another Planet - Acid Wash Conflict 47:05 Ricardo Villalobos - Dummolator 52:47 MD III - Face The Nation 55:59 Velodrome - Capataz 59:00 2000 and One - Funk That 63:00 Mala - Left Leg Out 68:47 Toastyboy - Splash On 1/9/07, robin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > yeah manbut that works in general > > if you're a crap dj, you're a crap dj - and for me a crap dj is one that > sticks to 1 whole genre for the whole set. > > the reason i respect villalobos for ex. (OMG!!!111oneoneone) is that he > spins all sorts of stuff - mnml, house, acid, 313; same with sammy dee > and same with zip.hawtin too but he needs to be inspired i guess. > > maybe i have been lucky to see these and other djs in less-commercial > gigs where they played for fun and not for the money. Y'know I've not seen/heard these people play (a link to a mix illustrating the above good 'minimal' approach would be great fab :) ) Richie when he plays well is absolutely amazing, I've also heard him be super dull. No bashing from me. And as for the electro comment...yep I agree. robin...
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>> what about the latest arpanet and urban tribe things? already got? > >i wasnt feeling those so much. not that they were bad, but i guess i >was looking for something different. im not always in an electro-ish >mood you crazy. those are both extremely good albums that deserve more than to just be lumped off as "electro"..they are soundtracks..real albums...urban tribe especially brings a lot of really unpredictable and amazing sounds, complex arrangements...i'm not always in the mood for anything, but those are essentials if you ask me... >in the meantime, ive been trying to look for more older stuff that i >like, been digging alot of jazz recently and some 90s house (got some >nice strictly rhythm joints recently, one of the Logic 12"s and haha yeah lately i'm listening to tons of old strictly stuff and kicking myself for writing the label off and not paying more attention before... also i picked up that hip to be disillusioned re-release on prescription classicso deep but so dancefloor...more more...repress the circulation on balance plase! and the abacus! etc etc...and i picked up the mdIII re-release on clone classic...can't believe "let it be house" wasnt included tho...argh. i would like to see more classic house re-releases and less disco madness...repress the serious grooves catalog! i just found mp3's of claude young's lowkey stuff from sg...who...i love his techno stuff on frictional and 7th city, but his house stuff is amazing too and totally different...so many great inspiring old records i still have never heard...meanwhile the newest trend is squeezed dry and stomped into the ground...as ever..
Re: (313) What's happened to rhythms?
David Powers a écrit : Well, I thought that this might be true, until I did a little experiment. I went to beatport, and I listened, in order, to the 150 newest tracks, WITHOUT SKIPPING TRACKS, from the following genres: deep house techno tech-house techno I did the same on junodownload recently. In the techno section 80% of stuff was boring and mindless banging 4/4 that does about the same sound as my washing machine. A few rare good items here and there but hidden in a pile of crap, sometimes well produced crap, but still crap. In the deep house departement is was way better with less obvious crap. In the end there's still very good stuff produced nowadays, but I require some effort to find it as the number of release is way big.
Re: (313) What's happened to rhythms?
i think i'm one of the few that isnt excited by marcus mixx...it's kinda cool...too percussive and not enough groove for me... ive heard the first one in a bunch of mixes ive DLed and ive IDed it each time to the point where i was just like "i guess this track is for me". i didnt even listen to the second one, but i appreciate the small label getting on its feet so i ordered both. i guess that first one is not necessarily "exciting" but its one of those tracks that can get into your subconscious and grow there The next release is an absolute killer track. TP's should be soon.
Re: (313) different rhythms?
On 1/9/07, dave cronin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: ok, i'll bite. i totally love non-four-on-the-floor techno. per MEK's comments, it's what i love about the more stripped down side of brokenbeat. what are folks' favorite records in this vein? what else? the 2000 Black label up until about 03 was almost always on. check the labels People, Bitasweet, etc. Domu and Seiji were always good to check, especially domu who does alot of different stuff and is a big lover of detroit techno and moodymann/theo/omar-s style house as well. his diverse listening is obvious in his tunes. i admit that good BB seems to have largely dried up for me, which is unfortunate. i did recently pick up the Daz-I-Kue remixes of wale ojide's "africa hot" which is a really nice broken/afro jazz type thing. wale ojide's solo work in general is really nice, you should check it out, its on a downtempo weird jazz tip without being corny. this one is really nice: http://www.discogs.com/release/263756 tom
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that larry heard/mr white record is soo good. instant classic! both sides are completely ridiculous. i ordered 2 copies to keep one safe in case something were to happen to the copy ill be hammering out in every set for the forseeable future. that record is simply stunning. if i could go back and redo my top X of 06 that might take top prize. It gets my top prize for 2006. And for a few of my mates too. And for my girl too :) robin...
Re: (313) What's happened to rhythms?
Yes i do agree about the last Larry Heard / Mr White on Alleviated. The track "The Sun Can't Compare" is sooo hypnotic. This langourous voice, 303 line, and old school Chicago "rhythm" still incredibly works on me... -clap-clap-clap- A good track for this thread : http://www.kiddyraver.com/music/what_happened.mp3 ;) - KiDDy. - Original Message - From: "J.T." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Thomas D. Cox,Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 5:41 PM Subject: Re: (313) What's happened to rhythms? > that larry heard/mr white record is soo good. instant classic! > i think i'm one of the few that isnt excited by marcus mixx...it's kinda cool...too percussive and not enough groove for me... > is moxie 10 that chow daddy thing? sounded very nice! i assume it's re/edits? > > it's not new anymore, but did you get that potelea mbali record on stir15? so good! even if it's pretty much just two similar versions of one track... > > arne's new record on styrax is fantastic! > > what about the latest arpanet and urban tribe things? already got? > > as for rhythms, i'm not bothered at all by boom tsk boom tsk. i spend at least half my listening time listening to old classic stuff that has real simple beats like that -- albeit with some snares and claps etc sprinkled on top too usually. i am not too into the super clean compressed ableton-ed to hell version of that beat, with glossy minimal pointless synth crap on top...cheap, where's the beef? but i am much more annoyed by stuff like reggaeton, where every single track has that same stuttered kick pattern that seems diametrically opposed to funkiness. > > and honestly, i am mostly really really really sick of disco edits, disco re-edits, new disco, etc etc. everybody and their mom trying to sound like disco from 25 years ago, or wishing they were at cosmic, and ignoring all the dance music that's came since in their dj-ing and listening habits. i love disco, and there's some good new stuff, but loads and loads of filler, and i feel like it's really clamping down on new good original house music the same way that minimal stuff is on good new techno. stop the homogenization plase! > > > > -Original Message- > >From: "Thomas D. Cox, Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Sent: Jan 9, 2007 10:46 AM > >To: 313@hyperreal.org > >Subject: Re: (313) What's happened to rhythms? > > > >On 1/9/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] > ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> I'm just asking questions to figure out why I can't find any decent sh*t to > >> buy in the techno section of Juno's new releases. > > > >yeah i just did a "catching up" set of overseas ordering. i listened > >to 10 tons of stuff. i ended up ordering this stuff: > > > >both marcus mixx 12"s > >mr white on alleviated > >recloose landed > >hoodmusic 1 > >hoodmusic 2 > >larry levan beat track (larry 08 i think?) > >69 lite music > >in sync "storm" > >moxie 10 > > > >which sadly enough is mostly by people i already buy most stuff from, > >and a large portion of this is old. i had way money to spend but > >couldnt find anything good to buy in any genre! > > > >tom > > >
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On 1/9/07, J.T. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: that larry heard/mr white record is soo good. instant classic! both sides are completely ridiculous. i ordered 2 copies to keep one safe in case something were to happen to the copy ill be hammering out in every set for the forseeable future. that record is simply stunning. if i could go back and redo my top X of 06 that might take top prize. i think i'm one of the few that isnt excited by marcus mixx...it's kinda cool...too percussive and not enough groove for me... ive heard the first one in a bunch of mixes ive DLed and ive IDed it each time to the point where i was just like "i guess this track is for me". i didnt even listen to the second one, but i appreciate the small label getting on its feet so i ordered both. i guess that first one is not necessarily "exciting" but its one of those tracks that can get into your subconscious and grow there is moxie 10 that chow daddy thing? sounded very nice! i assume it's re/edits? yeah thats the one. and i assume its re-edits or something of the like as well since that seems to be the moxie way. it's not new anymore, but did you get that potelea mbali record on stir15? so good! even if it's pretty much just two similar versions of one track... no i dont think i even saw that around. ill have to go have a listen what about the latest arpanet and urban tribe things? already got? i wasnt feeling those so much. not that they were bad, but i guess i was looking for something different. im not always in an electro-ish mood as for rhythms, i'm not bothered at all by boom tsk boom tsk. i spend at least half my listening time listening to old classic stuff that has real simple beats like that -- albeit with some snares and claps etc sprinkled on top too usually. the thing is, as much as i love that minimal chicago trax kind of aesthetic, it is just like anything else: its made better with lots of other things around it to contrast that stark beat. and honestly, i am mostly really really really sick of disco edits, disco re-edits, new disco, etc etc. everybody and their mom trying to sound like disco from 25 years ago, or wishing they were at cosmic, and ignoring all the dance music that's came since in their dj-ing and listening habits. i love disco, and there's some good new stuff, but loads and loads of filler, and i feel like it's really clamping down on new good original house music the same way that minimal stuff is on good new techno. stop the homogenization plase! i cant agree more. my man curt is way into the scandanavian disco thing, and i find it more crap than the minimal stuff for the most part. the redits are way out of control, ive generally only bought ones from a few camps because theyre the best of them: ugly edits, editions disco, and moxie. i used to read the dj history board but now i find i can barely tolerate their attitude. that said, some people i know have been doing some mixes inspired by the cosmic thing that i find to be more interesting than the actual original mixes by baldelli and the like. the obsession with ridiculous records seemingly just because theyre "rare" (the osmonds are not funky!) in that scene is really annoying as well. im really dying for more good new music. going digging is fun, and ill always enjoy it but its not a substitute for new sounds. the problem is that all the genres ive loved in my life seem completely creatively bankrupt and the newer genres havent been doing it for me either. i feel like soon there has to be a real substantial shift in music overall, im waiting for it. in the meantime, ive been trying to look for more older stuff that i like, been digging alot of jazz recently and some 90s house (got some nice strictly rhythm joints recently, one of the Logic 12"s and barbara tucker "i get lifted" as well as some nice maxi 12"s: pal joey as "espresso", sagat "f*ck dat", cevin fisher "the way we used to", etc). and in general ive been feeling hiphop and soul music alot more than usual, thats been dictating alot of my listening tom
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ok, i'll bite. i totally love non-four-on-the-floor techno. per MEK's comments, it's what i love about the more stripped down side of brokenbeat. what are folks' favorite records in this vein? off the top of my head, there's Si Begg's Opus EP (Tresor) and some of Inigo Kennedy's gear like (I've bought a lot of his 4/4 bangers because the inside B track has some weird off-kilter shxt, like Pumping Numbers on the The Bigger Picture). Archetype's Glyph series was cool, and of course, there's the UR electrofunk and techno-latin-swing styles... what else? - Original Message From: pauley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Thomas D. Cox, Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Tuesday, January 9, 2007 5:48:47 PM Subject: RE: (313) What's happened to rhythms? Isn't the point that at the moment there's a lot of minimal releases that sound like a lot of other minimal releases? And of course if you're not super into minimal then the 'subtle nuances' that differentiate each minimal release are kind of evasive... I liked that quote from that berlin/party dvd "they'll dance if you bang a spoon on a pan" or something along those lines...it sort of fits with what MEK finds unfathomable about this genre... -Original Message- From: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 6:48 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) What's happened to rhythms? On 1/8/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > With the emphasis on that kick and hihat it's difficult for my ear to > not focus on that. I know with minimal stuff there's tons of other > things going on but eventually, if things don't change up, that "boom > tsk" starts to get magnified until I'm ready to puke. Same goes with > any techno that sits on bang-bang-bang all night. Yawn. There's so > much of that sort of techno out as well. Too much sitting in one > place. Maybe it's just the instruments assigned to the patterns. > Imagine a drummer in a band that just played the same beat out on a > kick, a snare, and a hi-hat. I thought the funk was in the rhythm? i like minimal straight hats and kicks as much as the next man, but to me theyre most effective when mixed up with other beats and rhythms. a minimal acid cut sounds good all the time, but it REALLY sounds good when youre mixing it into some weird electro or disco cut. too few people are out there switching up the rhythms. detroit deejays are usually good for that kind of thing though, derrick may, shake, and theo parrish are extremely notable cats who will play all sorts of different rhythms and make the "boring" techno beat sound so good because of the juxtaposition. tom -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.16.7/620 - Release Date: 1/8/2007 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.16.7/620 - Release Date: 1/8/2007
Re: (313) What's happened to rhythms?
I'll take a look at work ... I've got links there to some good stuff by Villalobos and maybe others I believe. But why don't you have a listen to the new mix I just posted? Except a couple classics (work that mf, percolater), and a Femi Kuti track, it's all technically in the "minimal" category, but in my opinion it's a far cry from the monotone type sets people are decrying here. Maybe I'm wrong. Of course, maybe the fact that I put those three tracks in says something about my approach from the get go... I personally think of my current style as sort of techy jack-house, only done with a lot of minimal cuts, as opposed to minimal proper. Oh as far as Richie, my friends discovered that he plays MUCH better when his parents are around ... it it's like some kind of AA/NA plan for him... ;-) People said he played well last in Chicago, but I skipped it cus he sucked the last time I heard him here. ~D On 1/9/07, robin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > yeah manbut that works in general > > if you're a crap dj, you're a crap dj - and for me a crap dj is one that > sticks to 1 whole genre for the whole set. > > the reason i respect villalobos for ex. (OMG!!!111oneoneone) is that he > spins all sorts of stuff - mnml, house, acid, 313; same with sammy dee > and same with zip.hawtin too but he needs to be inspired i guess. > > maybe i have been lucky to see these and other djs in less-commercial > gigs where they played for fun and not for the money. Y'know I've not seen/heard these people play (a link to a mix illustrating the above good 'minimal' approach would be great fab :) ) Richie when he plays well is absolutely amazing, I've also heard him be super dull. No bashing from me. And as for the electro comment...yep I agree. robin...
Re: (313) What's happened to rhythms?
that larry heard/mr white record is soo good. instant classic! i think i'm one of the few that isnt excited by marcus mixx...it's kinda cool...too percussive and not enough groove for me... is moxie 10 that chow daddy thing? sounded very nice! i assume it's re/edits? it's not new anymore, but did you get that potelea mbali record on stir15? so good! even if it's pretty much just two similar versions of one track... arne's new record on styrax is fantastic! what about the latest arpanet and urban tribe things? already got? as for rhythms, i'm not bothered at all by boom tsk boom tsk. i spend at least half my listening time listening to old classic stuff that has real simple beats like that -- albeit with some snares and claps etc sprinkled on top too usually. i am not too into the super clean compressed ableton-ed to hell version of that beat, with glossy minimal pointless synth crap on top...cheap, where's the beef? but i am much more annoyed by stuff like reggaeton, where every single track has that same stuttered kick pattern that seems diametrically opposed to funkiness. and honestly, i am mostly really really really sick of disco edits, disco re-edits, new disco, etc etc. everybody and their mom trying to sound like disco from 25 years ago, or wishing they were at cosmic, and ignoring all the dance music that's came since in their dj-ing and listening habits. i love disco, and there's some good new stuff, but loads and loads of filler, and i feel like it's really clamping down on new good original house music the same way that minimal stuff is on good new techno. stop the homogenization plase! -Original Message- >From: "Thomas D. Cox, Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Jan 9, 2007 10:46 AM >To: 313@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: (313) What's happened to rhythms? > >On 1/9/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> I'm just asking questions to figure out why I can't find any decent sh*t to >> buy in the techno section of Juno's new releases. > >yeah i just did a "catching up" set of overseas ordering. i listened >to 10 tons of stuff. i ended up ordering this stuff: > >both marcus mixx 12"s >mr white on alleviated >recloose landed >hoodmusic 1 >hoodmusic 2 >larry levan beat track (larry 08 i think?) >69 lite music >in sync "storm" >moxie 10 > >which sadly enough is mostly by people i already buy most stuff from, >and a large portion of this is old. i had way money to spend but >couldnt find anything good to buy in any genre! > >tom
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i would gladly post any links to mixes i regard to have a good approach...i just need to find them in my collections first! ;P fab - Original Message - From: "robin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "fab." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 4:54 PM Subject: Re: (313) What's happened to rhythms? yeah manbut that works in general if you're a crap dj, you're a crap dj - and for me a crap dj is one that sticks to 1 whole genre for the whole set. the reason i respect villalobos for ex. (OMG!!!111oneoneone) is that he spins all sorts of stuff - mnml, house, acid, 313; same with sammy dee and same with zip.hawtin too but he needs to be inspired i guess. maybe i have been lucky to see these and other djs in less-commercial gigs where they played for fun and not for the money. Y'know I've not seen/heard these people play (a link to a mix illustrating the above good 'minimal' approach would be great fab :) ) Richie when he plays well is absolutely amazing, I've also heard him be super dull. No bashing from me. And as for the electro comment...yep I agree. robin...
(313) " can you speak for me? "
hi ho 313 hopefully again a lot of good music to come in 2007 wanted to ask.. any tips for nice small programs, in which i put text, being translated to audio, with kinda adaptable voices? so i can make some jingles.. in the meanwhile > add yours.. http://nomorewords.net/charts/
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What david said -- the beat is the armature upon which interesting things are strung. The mix Ronnie Pries posted is the perfect counterexample to boring techno. http://www.leverkuhn.com/~rktic/rp-traktorized070104.mp3 Any dance genre gets boring when people just endlessly spin out the same beat with nothing special going on. And strangely, DJs who spin crap like that are hugely popular. My own pet theory -- formulated after seeing Carl Cox, Sven Vath, Jeff Mills, and Richie Hawtin playing sets that were virtually indistinguishable in Paris is that the problem is Euro-kids on drugs. They can listen to the oontz oontz all night long, because they're so messed up on hash and E's that the music is just there to tell them when to jerk. In the US, people like them some drugs too, but the financial rewards aren't there, so most DJs are playing music because they love it. They try to keep it interesting for themselves, and the 3 or 4 sober people who are there to enjoy it. At the same time, some years at DEMF trigger an allergy to the standard issue 4 on the floor beat, especially when echoey venues and ill-tuned sound system turn the kick sound into a series of extended farts. Some times I even think that I don't like techno any more. Until I hear a banging minimal set by a master, like DJ Bone or Buzz Goree, and get religion again.
RE: (313) What's happened to rhythms?
Avoid Villalobos when Hawtin's about in my experience. The Taka Taka mix CD from 2004 (I think) was rocking, but then mix CDs tell you nothing about what they're like in reality. -Original Message- From: David Powers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 09 January 2007 16:05 To: fab.; 313@hyperreal.org Cc: robin Subject: Re: (313) What's happened to rhythms? Villalobos really is a good DJ in my opinion, at least in the last 18 months for sure. And he does not be any means spin all minimal sounding stuff in his sets. He's got a lot of tribal house type vibe going much of the time actually. And as you mentioned, also acid and 313 stuff sometimes. ~David On 1/9/07, fab. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > yeah manbut that works in general > > if you're a crap dj, you're a crap dj - and for me a crap dj is one that > sticks to 1 whole genre for the whole set. > > the reason i respect villalobos for ex. (OMG!!!111oneoneone) is that he > spins all sorts of stuff - mnml, house, acid, 313; same with sammy dee and > same with zip.hawtin too but he needs to be inspired i guess. > > maybe i have been lucky to see these and other djs in less-commercial gigs > where they played for fun and not for the money. > > fab. > > - Original Message - > From: "robin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <313@hyperreal.org> > Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 4:38 PM > Subject: Re: (313) What's happened to rhythms? > > > > > >> (on a side note, these minimal-hating threads that crop up once in a > >> while are fast becoming like the hawtin-hating threads.played out) > >> > > > > Actually yeah I agree. Hating for hating's sake is never good but... > > > > I think the observation that a single mini-genre being played all night > > long is dull is valid. > > > > robin... > > > > This e-mail is from Telegraph Media Group Limited - 111 Buckingham Palace Road, London, SW1W 0DT registered in England under No 451593. This message, its contents and any attachments to it are private and confidential. Any unauthorised disclosure, use or dissemination of the whole or part of this message (without our prior written consent) is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us immediately. Neither we nor the sender accepts any responsibility for viruses and it is your responsibility to scan attachments (if any). The content of this email does not necessarily reflect our views or those of our officers and we take no responsibility for the views of the author. Emails sent and received may be read by people other than the intended recipient and may be monitored to ensure efficient operation of our email systems. Incoming and outgoing telephone calls to our offices may be monitored or recorded for training and quality control purposes and for confirming orders and information.
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Villalobos really is a good DJ in my opinion, at least in the last 18 months for sure. And he does not be any means spin all minimal sounding stuff in his sets. He's got a lot of tribal house type vibe going much of the time actually. And as you mentioned, also acid and 313 stuff sometimes. ~David On 1/9/07, fab. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: yeah manbut that works in general if you're a crap dj, you're a crap dj - and for me a crap dj is one that sticks to 1 whole genre for the whole set. the reason i respect villalobos for ex. (OMG!!!111oneoneone) is that he spins all sorts of stuff - mnml, house, acid, 313; same with sammy dee and same with zip.hawtin too but he needs to be inspired i guess. maybe i have been lucky to see these and other djs in less-commercial gigs where they played for fun and not for the money. fab. - Original Message - From: "robin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 4:38 PM Subject: Re: (313) What's happened to rhythms? > >> (on a side note, these minimal-hating threads that crop up once in a >> while are fast becoming like the hawtin-hating threads.played out) >> > > Actually yeah I agree. Hating for hating's sake is never good but... > > I think the observation that a single mini-genre being played all night > long is dull is valid. > > robin... >
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Nothing wrong with hating - if you hate something you should say so Rob Taylor VT Librarian x8599 Hatch Desk x1088 VT Library Users' Guide -Original Message- From: robin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 09 January 2007 15:39 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) What's happened to rhythms? > (on a side note, these minimal-hating threads that crop up once in a > while are fast becoming like the hawtin-hating threads.played out) > Actually yeah I agree. Hating for hating's sake is never good but... I think the observation that a single mini-genre being played all night long is dull is valid. robin... # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. #
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yeah manbut that works in general if you're a crap dj, you're a crap dj - and for me a crap dj is one that sticks to 1 whole genre for the whole set. the reason i respect villalobos for ex. (OMG!!!111oneoneone) is that he spins all sorts of stuff - mnml, house, acid, 313; same with sammy dee and same with zip.hawtin too but he needs to be inspired i guess. maybe i have been lucky to see these and other djs in less-commercial gigs where they played for fun and not for the money. Y'know I've not seen/heard these people play (a link to a mix illustrating the above good 'minimal' approach would be great fab :) ) Richie when he plays well is absolutely amazing, I've also heard him be super dull. No bashing from me. And as for the electro comment...yep I agree. robin...
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I don't hate minimal at all. I hate sameness and laziness in any perceived genre. I lve broken beats but I don't want to hear Seiji's samba beat all night either. When bruk goes that way I'll start asking the same questions. That's one of the reasons I bit hard on the broken beat hook when it dangled in front of me at the All Access party. None of the beats seemed to be the same, each tune was different, the mixes were sometime sloppy because of rhythms mashing over each other but the sh*t was moving because it didn't sound like a computer on . As far as Milligan - as I said, I haven't heard enough of him but was reacting to THAT video and other people's comments about it. I didn't rate it because I didn't really see him doing anything all that special. Dropping tracks in and out via fader isn't that hard nor was the selection that creative so what did his speed contribute to the end result? Why was what he was doing regarded as sick? MEK "fab." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 01/09/2007 09:33:28 AM: > funny you should mention milligan, > i heard some unreleased "techno" (ie. non minimal, 313-ish) stuff him that > was amazing.the guy has serious skills... > > (on a side note, these minimal-hating threads that crop up once in a while > are fast becoming like the hawtin-hating threads.played out) > > fab. > > > > One of the reasons I sort of exploded over this topic was a combination of > > hearing a bunch of tracks that had "clever" glitchy edits over basically > > the same boring "boom tsk" and seeing, on a message board, people fawning > > over Jeff Milligan and this video of him > > http://youtube.com/watch?v=9I8VXgiGqF4 > > >
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that's why i got bored with electro and stopped listening to it.and i was a real freak for it it all started sounding so formulaic, just like 80% of today's "minimal" music. and i agree with whoever said that it's minimal anymore.there is so much going on in these tracks that it should really be called maximal...;) fab. For me, those are two sides of the same coin. It's the "bad music coin". One side there's similar sounding cookie-cutter tracks that try to be clever. The other side is straight up horrible. overwhelming sameness is straight up horrid.
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yeah manbut that works in general if you're a crap dj, you're a crap dj - and for me a crap dj is one that sticks to 1 whole genre for the whole set. the reason i respect villalobos for ex. (OMG!!!111oneoneone) is that he spins all sorts of stuff - mnml, house, acid, 313; same with sammy dee and same with zip.hawtin too but he needs to be inspired i guess. maybe i have been lucky to see these and other djs in less-commercial gigs where they played for fun and not for the money. fab. - Original Message - From: "robin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 4:38 PM Subject: Re: (313) What's happened to rhythms? (on a side note, these minimal-hating threads that crop up once in a while are fast becoming like the hawtin-hating threads.played out) Actually yeah I agree. Hating for hating's sake is never good but... I think the observation that a single mini-genre being played all night long is dull is valid. robin...
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On 1/9/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I'm just asking questions to figure out why I can't find any decent sh*t to buy in the techno section of Juno's new releases. yeah i just did a "catching up" set of overseas ordering. i listened to 10 tons of stuff. i ended up ordering this stuff: both marcus mixx 12"s mr white on alleviated recloose landed hoodmusic 1 hoodmusic 2 larry levan beat track (larry 08 i think?) 69 lite music in sync "storm" moxie 10 which sadly enough is mostly by people i already buy most stuff from, and a large portion of this is old. i had way money to spend but couldnt find anything good to buy in any genre! tom
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Spot on observation. Not what I was hinting toward at all but very perceptive all the same. MEK robin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 01/09/2007 09:21:06 AM: > > Would you care for 8 hours of 2 beat loopy hard techno > > again, remember that??? > > You could argue that the people who peddled this stuff are the same > people peddling 'minimal' (Richie, Beyer etc) > > The dullness has remained but the tempo has dropped. > > > robin...
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"David Powers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 01/09/2007 09:18:50 AM: > Guess what - in my opinion minimal came up better, compared to some of > the god awful stuff in the other genres. There were without a doubt > plenty of similar sounding clickity clackity throw away tracks, but > certainly no worse than the other genres. But at least there wasn't > too much that was just straight up horrid. For me, those are two sides of the same coin. It's the "bad music coin". One side there's similar sounding cookie-cutter tracks that try to be clever. The other side is straight up horrible. overwhelming sameness is straight up horrid. > But really, this looks more and more like the old curmudgeon argument > about hating that damn racket the kids listen too... No, not at all. I like minimal tracks that don't sound the same as the last minimal track. There's just fewer and fewer of those around. The only way I can describe it is the genre and djs are locked. There will always be those that can and do colour outside the lines. They're the same people who have always done it with whatever music has come their way. > I agree that many > DJ's have a boring approach, but wasn't that always true about > "average" DJ's? Would you care for 8 hours of 2 beat loopy hard techno > again, remember that??? If it was just the djs that had a boring approach then fine - but the tracks are following suit, or is it the other way around (or is it hand-in-hand)? I'm just asking questions to figure out why I can't find any decent sh*t to buy in the techno section of Juno's new releases. MEK
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(on a side note, these minimal-hating threads that crop up once in a while are fast becoming like the hawtin-hating threads.played out) Actually yeah I agree. Hating for hating's sake is never good but... I think the observation that a single mini-genre being played all night long is dull is valid. robin...
Re: (313) What's happened to rhythms?
One of the reasons I sort of exploded over this topic was a combination of hearing a bunch of tracks that had "clever" glitchy edits over basically the same boring "boom tsk" and seeing, on a message board, people fawning over Jeff Milligan and this video of him http://youtube.com/watch?v=9I8VXgiGqF4 People like that? Boy I must be out of touch or something. robin...
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funny you should mention milligan, i heard some unreleased "techno" (ie. non minimal, 313-ish) stuff him that was amazing.the guy has serious skills... (on a side note, these minimal-hating threads that crop up once in a while are fast becoming like the hawtin-hating threads.played out) fab. One of the reasons I sort of exploded over this topic was a combination of hearing a bunch of tracks that had "clever" glitchy edits over basically the same boring "boom tsk" and seeing, on a message board, people fawning over Jeff Milligan and this video of him http://youtube.com/watch?v=9I8VXgiGqF4
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On 1/9/07, David Powers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: But really, this looks more and more like the old curmudgeon argument about hating that damn racket the kids listen too... I agree that many DJ's have a boring approach, but wasn't that always true about "average" DJ's? i dont know, i feel like for a little while there it was becoming far more common to hear people dropping different things. suddenly now that there's some semblance of monetary success associated with one genre, it seems like alot more deejays have gotten lazy again in order to fit into some preconceived notion of whatever genre "X" should be like so they can be popular and get paid. its good to see jeff mills really mixing it up with all sorts of older stuff wizard style along with his normal millsian techno. tom
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"Thomas D. Cox, Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 01/08/2007 08:48:09 PM: > > i like minimal straight hats and kicks as much as the next man, but to > me theyre most effective when mixed up with other beats and rhythms.a > minimal acid cut sounds good all the time, but it REALLY sounds good > when youre mixing it into some weird electro or disco cut. too few > people are out there switching up the rhythms. detroit deejays are > usually good for that kind of thing though, derrick may, shake, and > theo parrish are extremely notable cats who will play all sorts of > different rhythms and make the "boring" techno beat sound so good > because of the juxtaposition. > > tom I agree 100% with everything you're saying here Tom. Seems that the Detroit guys mentioned have a hell of a lot of "boring" techno to work with then. ;-) One of the reasons I sort of exploded over this topic was a combination of hearing a bunch of tracks that had "clever" glitchy edits over basically the same boring "boom tsk" and seeing, on a message board, people fawning over Jeff Milligan and this video of him http://youtube.com/watch?v=9I8VXgiGqF4 granted it's not an entire set and I haven't heard/seen an entire set by him. It's impressive at first viewing and people thought that what he was doing was "sick". I just don't see it as that big an achievement. He's just dropping things in and out within the beat. Eh? I don't get why that's so amazing. He's working 4 decks but if all your tracks are "boom -tsk" then where's the risk? Yes, he's fast but so what? There's fast and then there's dextrous. Shake, Mills, Young, Hood, etc. are dextrous if not also as fast and their music pushes and pulls and undulates. The beats change up, different moods come in and go out, the sounds of the rhythms change. I get the impression, from the majority of "minimal" sets I've heard and from the majority of tracks released with this tag - that djs in the style of the Detroit guys are the exception to the rule within the "minimal" sound. That "boom -tsk" is the order of the day and what you will encounter most of the time. MEK
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Would you care for 8 hours of 2 beat loopy hard techno again, remember that??? You could argue that the people who peddled this stuff are the same people peddling 'minimal' (Richie, Beyer etc) The dullness has remained but the tempo has dropped. robin...
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Hey, I get pretty bored when people play house all night, and I'm sure at least one of the previous contributors to this thread would love that. On Jan 9, 2007, at 10:18, David Powers wrote: Would you care for 8 hours of 2 beat loopy hard techno again, remember that??? -- matt kane's brain http://hydrogenproject.com aim -> mkbatwerk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Well, I thought that this might be true, until I did a little experiment. I went to beatport, and I listened, in order, to the 150 newest tracks, WITHOUT SKIPPING TRACKS, from the following genres: deep house techno tech-house techno Guess what - in my opinion minimal came up better, compared to some of the god awful stuff in the other genres. There were without a doubt plenty of similar sounding clickity clackity throw away tracks, but certainly no worse than the other genres. But at least there wasn't too much that was just straight up horrid. All the genres had stuff that sounded a lot the same. There was a little bit of decent hard techno, but since I like to play housey stuff in my sets again now, I didn't get some of that cus it was too fast. Honestly though, there was a surprising variety in some of the minimal tracks, precisely because some very different things seem to be stuck in that category. I bought more from that category than the other out of sheer merit.* If anything, my problem with some minimal is that certain things called minimal end up all trancey in the synths ... *note though - I also have gotten burned several times now by the short sound clips from beatport, where a track seemed good, but then something that annoyed the $%^& out of me occurred after the breakdown or whatever, making the track unplayable. But really, this looks more and more like the old curmudgeon argument about hating that damn racket the kids listen too... I agree that many DJ's have a boring approach, but wasn't that always true about "average" DJ's? Would you care for 8 hours of 2 beat loopy hard techno again, remember that??? ~David On 1/9/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I'd dance to a spoon on a pan as long as the beat is interesting. I just don't find the same pulse all night that exciting. imo, there's far too much sameness within the majority of "minimal" releases. MEK
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This happened with trance. It was once a small sub-genre of techno and more or less ok as such. When you start having nights playing nothing but (trance, minimal etc etc) that's when it gets dull. Take Looped Bangers. That particular sub-genre of techno more or less killed a lot of peoples interest in techno (in the UK at least). I've always taken the Detroit techno approach to mean all sorts of music and textures etc presented in a mixed up way. It's always made me dance. robin... Boy did I love "minimal techno" a few years ago when there was plenty of other techno (and other stuff) to counterbalance it. So an effective mix would include a few minutes of minimal stuff to contrast with the rest of the set. Of course minimal tracks are always great to play as a layer for more sonic depth, but anyway...
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Boy did I love "minimal techno" a few years ago when there was plenty of other techno (and other stuff) to counterbalance it. So an effective mix would include a few minutes of minimal stuff to contrast with the rest of the set. Of course minimal tracks are always great to play as a layer for more sonic depth, but anyway... But now, the last thing I want to hear is ricardo villalobos or other wannabes. It's just not fresh anymore with minimal techno its own superset of dance music. hatin', always hatin' -Gil > -Original Message- > From: Matt Chester [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 9:03 AM > To: 313@hyperreal.org > Subject: Re: (313) What's happened to rhythms? > > Exactly. This is what's missing with so many (in fact, most) > DJs these days. Few people mix up their styles, they just > stick to one particular sub-sub-genre for their whole set. > Often for the entire night in some clubs. > No matter how wicked the tracks are, any sound becomes dull > if it doesn't change or involve any dynamics dynamics > are equally essential for a good set, especially the ability > to take it down as well as up... Takes a brave (& skillful) > DJ to do that though... > > > i like minimal straight hats and kicks as much as the next > man, but to > > me theyre most effective when mixed up with other beats and > rhythms. a > > minimal acid cut sounds good all the time, but it REALLY > sounds good > > when youre mixing it into some weird electro or disco cut. too few > > people are out there switching up the rhythms. detroit deejays are > > usually good for that kind of thing though, derrick may, shake, and > > theo parrish are extremely notable cats who will play all > sorts of different rhythms and make the "boring" > > techno beat sound so good because of the juxtaposition. > > > > > > > >
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"pauley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 01/09/2007 07:48:47 PM: > Isn't the point that at the moment there's a lot of minimal releases that > sound like a lot of other minimal releases? Yes, that is part of my point. Too much of the same. Why does "minimal" dictate how you program your beat? If minimal is supposed to be stripped to the bare essentials why is it a 4/4 beat with kick - hihat - kick - hihat? Who is dancing to the music that they can't follow another beat pattern? > And of course if you're not > super into minimal then the 'subtle nuances' that differentiate each minimal > release are kind of evasive... Exactly, is minimal made for and by studio geeks and their friends? Seems to me like it's been hi-jacked and driven down that road. Frankly, I don't hear much "minimal" being all that minimal anymore anyway. There's a million and one micro-edits going on. Probably more than you can hear in a casual listening. It's become quite dense really. > > I liked that quote from that berlin/party dvd "they'll dance if you bang a > spoon on a pan" or something along those lines...it sort of fits with what > MEK finds unfathomable about this genre... I'd dance to a spoon on a pan as long as the beat is interesting. I just don't find the same pulse all night that exciting. imo, there's far too much sameness within the majority of "minimal" releases. MEK > > -Original Message- > From: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 6:48 PM > To: 313@hyperreal.org > Subject: Re: (313) What's happened to rhythms? > > On 1/8/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > With the emphasis on that kick and hihat it's difficult for my ear to > > not focus on that. I know with minimal stuff there's tons of other > > things going on but eventually, if things don't change up, that "boom > > tsk" starts to get magnified until I'm ready to puke. Same goes with > > any techno that sits on bang-bang-bang all night. Yawn. There's so > > much of that sort of techno out as well. Too much sitting in one > > place. Maybe it's just the instruments assigned to the patterns. > > Imagine a drummer in a band that just played the same beat out on a > > kick, a snare, and a hi-hat. I thought the funk was in the rhythm? > > i like minimal straight hats and kicks as much as the next man, but to me > theyre most effective when mixed up with other beats and rhythms. a minimal > acid cut sounds good all the time, but it REALLY sounds good when youre > mixing it into some weird electro or disco cut. too few people are out there > switching up the rhythms. detroit deejays are usually good for that kind of > thing though, derrick may, shake, and theo parrish are extremely notable > cats who will play all sorts of different rhythms and make the "boring" > techno beat sound so good because of the juxtaposition. > > tom > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.16.7/620 - Release Date: 1/8/2007 > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.16.7/620 - Release Date: 1/8/2007 > >
RE: (313) All you Berlin lovers
Aaarggh - I wish we were told about these things BEFORE they were on, instead of after the fact Rob Taylor VT Librarian x8599 Hatch Desk x1088 VT Library Users' Guide -Original Message- From: Martin Dust [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 09 January 2007 14:32 To: 313 List Subject: (313) All you Berlin lovers This was posted on LD, should be of interest. Rather enjoyed it... Another worthwhile Radio2 documentary for all you Berlin lovers. http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio2/index.shtml?logo listen again Berlin...Soundz Decadent Although this is an account of the excellent Bowie Berlin trilogy of LPs; Low, "Heroes" and Lodger. It does cover Berlin culturally and musically. Contributions from Kraftwerk, Einstürzende Neubauten amongst others. m # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. #
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I can't listen from here - what did Ralf have to say? -Original Message- From: Martin Dust [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 09 January 2007 14:32 To: 313 List Subject: (313) All you Berlin lovers This was posted on LD, should be of interest. Rather enjoyed it... Another worthwhile Radio2 documentary for all you Berlin lovers. http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio2/index.shtml?logo listen again Berlin…Soundz Decadent Although this is an account of the excellent Bowie Berlin trilogy of LPs; Low, “Heroes” and Lodger. It does cover Berlin culturally and musically. Contributions from Kraftwerk, Einstürzende Neubauten amongst others. m This e-mail is from Telegraph Media Group Limited - 111 Buckingham Palace Road, London, SW1W 0DT registered in England under No 451593. This message, its contents and any attachments to it are private and confidential. Any unauthorised disclosure, use or dissemination of the whole or part of this message (without our prior written consent) is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us immediately. Neither we nor the sender accepts any responsibility for viruses and it is your responsibility to scan attachments (if any). The content of this email does not necessarily reflect our views or those of our officers and we take no responsibility for the views of the author. Emails sent and received may be read by people other than the intended recipient and may be monitored to ensure efficient operation of our email systems. Incoming and outgoing telephone calls to our offices may be monitored or recorded for training and quality control purposes and for confirming orders and information.
(313) All you Berlin lovers
This was posted on LD, should be of interest. Rather enjoyed it... Another worthwhile Radio2 documentary for all you Berlin lovers. http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio2/index.shtml?logo listen again Berlin…Soundz Decadent Although this is an account of the excellent Bowie Berlin trilogy of LPs; Low, “Heroes” and Lodger. It does cover Berlin culturally and musically. Contributions from Kraftwerk, Einstürzende Neubauten amongst others. m
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Exactly. This is what's missing with so many (in fact, most) DJs these days. Few people mix up their styles, they just stick to one particular sub-sub-genre for their whole set. Often for the entire night in some clubs. No matter how wicked the tracks are, any sound becomes dull if it doesn't change or involve any dynamics dynamics are equally essential for a good set, especially the ability to take it down as well as up... Takes a brave (& skillful) DJ to do that though... i like minimal straight hats and kicks as much as the next man, but to me theyre most effective when mixed up with other beats and rhythms. a minimal acid cut sounds good all the time, but it REALLY sounds good when youre mixing it into some weird electro or disco cut. too few people are out there switching up the rhythms. detroit deejays are usually good for that kind of thing though, derrick may, shake, and theo parrish are extremely notable cats who will play all sorts of different rhythms and make the "boring" techno beat sound so good because of the juxtaposition.
RE: (313) What's happened to rhythms?
Isn't the point that at the moment there's a lot of minimal releases that sound like a lot of other minimal releases? And of course if you're not super into minimal then the 'subtle nuances' that differentiate each minimal release are kind of evasive... I liked that quote from that berlin/party dvd "they'll dance if you bang a spoon on a pan" or something along those lines...it sort of fits with what MEK finds unfathomable about this genre... -Original Message- From: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 6:48 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) What's happened to rhythms? On 1/8/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > With the emphasis on that kick and hihat it's difficult for my ear to > not focus on that. I know with minimal stuff there's tons of other > things going on but eventually, if things don't change up, that "boom > tsk" starts to get magnified until I'm ready to puke. Same goes with > any techno that sits on bang-bang-bang all night. Yawn. There's so > much of that sort of techno out as well. Too much sitting in one > place. Maybe it's just the instruments assigned to the patterns. > Imagine a drummer in a band that just played the same beat out on a > kick, a snare, and a hi-hat. I thought the funk was in the rhythm? i like minimal straight hats and kicks as much as the next man, but to me theyre most effective when mixed up with other beats and rhythms. a minimal acid cut sounds good all the time, but it REALLY sounds good when youre mixing it into some weird electro or disco cut. too few people are out there switching up the rhythms. detroit deejays are usually good for that kind of thing though, derrick may, shake, and theo parrish are extremely notable cats who will play all sorts of different rhythms and make the "boring" techno beat sound so good because of the juxtaposition. tom -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.16.7/620 - Release Date: 1/8/2007 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.16.7/620 - Release Date: 1/8/2007
Re: (313) What's happened to rhythms?
On 1/8/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: With the emphasis on that kick and hihat it's difficult for my ear to not focus on that. I know with minimal stuff there's tons of other things going on but eventually, if things don't change up, that "boom tsk" starts to get magnified until I'm ready to puke. Same goes with any techno that sits on bang-bang-bang all night. Yawn. There's so much of that sort of techno out as well. Too much sitting in one place. Maybe it's just the instruments assigned to the patterns. Imagine a drummer in a band that just played the same beat out on a kick, a snare, and a hi-hat. I thought the funk was in the rhythm? i like minimal straight hats and kicks as much as the next man, but to me theyre most effective when mixed up with other beats and rhythms. a minimal acid cut sounds good all the time, but it REALLY sounds good when youre mixing it into some weird electro or disco cut. too few people are out there switching up the rhythms. detroit deejays are usually good for that kind of thing though, derrick may, shake, and theo parrish are extremely notable cats who will play all sorts of different rhythms and make the "boring" techno beat sound so good because of the juxtaposition. tom
Re: (313) What's happened to rhythms?
Sorry, it was a knee-jerk reaction to hearing this pattern over and over again while browsing Juno's techno "new releases". You are correct about it being a cliché. I've heard plenty of minimal mixes that don't deviate from this pattern from start to finish. With this being the standard beat for minimal it's no wonder that your average "minimal" DJ sits on this beat all night. > Listen to the other > parts besides the kick and hihat... By your logic, there shouldn't be > any more 4 on the floor kicks either, right? With the emphasis on that kick and hihat it's difficult for my ear to not focus on that. I know with minimal stuff there's tons of other things going on but eventually, if things don't change up, that "boom tsk" starts to get magnified until I'm ready to puke. Same goes with any techno that sits on bang-bang-bang all night. Yawn. There's so much of that sort of techno out as well. Too much sitting in one place. Maybe it's just the instruments assigned to the patterns. Imagine a drummer in a band that just played the same beat out on a kick, a snare, and a hi-hat. I thought the funk was in the rhythm? 4/4 is fine - there's a lot you can do within that time sig. I just don't hear people doing it in most techno. MEK "David Powers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 01/08/2007 05:58:45 PM: > Okay I'm not understanding your line of reasoning here. Your question, > to me, is almost tautological... > > This kick/hh pattern is prevelant: > a) because that's the most stripped down house/techno beat besides > just a kick that one can have and > b) because genres are defined by their cliches, and this one is > typical of minimal, and has been for years ... ie. when it was still > microhouse, and before that minimal techno or minimal tech-house... > > The "rhythm" does more than that, even in the example you posted > (though it's not anything I'd necessarily buy). Listen to the other > parts besides the kick and hihat... By your logic, there shouldn't be > any more 4 on the floor kicks either, right? But that's not how dance > music works, dance music relies on cliches to define genres and to > give dancers constants to work off of, in the midst of other elements > that may be unfamiliar or changing quite a bit. > > This rhythm isn't meant to be the interesting/non-boring part of the > track, it's like the skeleton or scaffolding, and the interesting > parts would be built on this scaffolding. > > That's how I see it anyway. > ~David > > On 1/8/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Browsing through new releases I find that there's an overwhelming number of > > tracks with rhythms that are all carbon copies of each other. > > Why are so many "techno" tracks sounding like this? > > http://mp3.juno.co.uk/MP3/SF244221-01-01-01.mp3 > > > > anyone else feel that there's a glut of stuff that all swings on this > > general pattern (boom tsk boom tsk boom tsk)? It's getting boring > > > > MEK > > > >
Re: (313) What's happened to rhythms?
Okay I'm not understanding your line of reasoning here. Your question, to me, is almost tautological... This kick/hh pattern is prevelant: a) because that's the most stripped down house/techno beat besides just a kick that one can have and b) because genres are defined by their cliches, and this one is typical of minimal, and has been for years ... ie. when it was still microhouse, and before that minimal techno or minimal tech-house... The "rhythm" does more than that, even in the example you posted (though it's not anything I'd necessarily buy). Listen to the other parts besides the kick and hihat... By your logic, there shouldn't be any more 4 on the floor kicks either, right? But that's not how dance music works, dance music relies on cliches to define genres and to give dancers constants to work off of, in the midst of other elements that may be unfamiliar or changing quite a bit. This rhythm isn't meant to be the interesting/non-boring part of the track, it's like the skeleton or scaffolding, and the interesting parts would be built on this scaffolding. That's how I see it anyway. ~David On 1/8/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Browsing through new releases I find that there's an overwhelming number of tracks with rhythms that are all carbon copies of each other. Why are so many "techno" tracks sounding like this? http://mp3.juno.co.uk/MP3/SF244221-01-01-01.mp3 anyone else feel that there's a glut of stuff that all swings on this general pattern (boom tsk boom tsk boom tsk)? It's getting boring MEK
