Re: Female Producers

[Danielle Scott]

Interestingly enough, I used a male centric name when I was dj'ing, as such
to take away from the fact that I am a woman.  I felt that my gender had
nothing to do with the fact that I just wanted to make people dance.


On Aug 18, 2017 4:30 PM, "Peter Bense"  wrote:

> Have any of you ever attended those electronic music events events with
> *exclusively* female artists?
>
> I have.  And in a lot of cases it seemed really awkward -- like the reason
> they were selected as performers was due to their sex/gender over their
> accomplishments as a performer/musician.  (To say nothing of the male
> patrons weirdly 'gawking' over them, which is also super creepy.  A
> separate issue unto itself.)
>
> So here we are listing out producers/djs, etc. and not discussing their
> works or what makes them good (maybe one or two have, but most replies
> haven't).
>
> That turns this into an ad-hoc roll call.  Which again sort of reminds of
> those types of events I just mentioned.  To what end?
>
> How about indicate what makes them interesting to mention here, aside from
> their sex/gender?  That would seem like a more favorable way to approach
> this discussion, while crediting them appropriately.
>
> On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 12:40 PM, Holly MacDonald-Korth <
> hko...@jwkorth.com> wrote:
>
>> Exactly.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* denisedalph...@gmail.com [mailto:denisedalph...@gmail.com]
>> *Sent:* Friday, August 18, 2017 3:27 PM
>> *To:* christiaan76
>> *Cc:* Peter Bense; Cole Evelev; Matthew Kane; kent williams; Aidan
>> O'Doherty; Marsel van der Wielen; list 313; Suzanne Heinrichs;
>> 3...@coke-smyth.net
>> *Subject:* Re: Female Producers
>>
>>
>>
>> The only way gender will be gotten over is when sexism, homophobia, and
>> transphobia are done. I love this thread.
>>
>>
>> On Aug 18, 2017, at 15:21, christiaan76  wrote:
>>
>> exactly.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>
>> On Aug 18, 2017, at 21:09, Peter Bense  wrote:
>>
>> More generally: why is this gender thing so important?  Can't we get over
>> it already..
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 10:16 AM, Cole Evelev 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Sorry about that. This is who I was referencing.
>>
>>
>>
>> https://www.discogs.com/Powder-H/release/9983256
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

RE: Female Producers

[Fred Heutte]

Yes, exactly.

Also, sorry if I missed it but how could K. Hand not be on this list:

http://k-handmusic.com

fh


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From: hko...@jwkorth.com 
Subject: RE: Female Producers
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2017 19:40:13 +

The simple fact that it is hard for anyone here to name more than a handful of 
female
producers is, in itself, a reason to mention them. Clearly, the music should be 
judged
for itself, but in an ecosystem that is 95% (guessing here) male, there is 
indeed some
merit in just identifying female producers in order to hold them up, track down 
their
music, and judge for oneself whether it is worthy of praise independent of the 
context
of the maker.

However, the fact is that most music  cannot be judged independent of the 
identity of
the maker. Techno is unique in that respect since it is largely visually 
anonymous and
devoid of vocals. I proffer that from a male perspective it seems easy to say 
“just
get over it and judge the music based on the music” but that does not take 
into
account the possible reasons for wanting to listen to and seeking out female 
produced
music, and the possible systemic challenges women and girls face both in 
learning to
produce music and getting it published and distributed.

(I’m couching this with “possible” here because I’m LONG out of the
scene and the internet has changed a lot. But I don’t think it’s changed 
many
ingrained attitudes and knee-jerk reactions….)



From: Peter Bense [mailto:textur...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, August 18, 2017 4:30 PM
To: Holly MacDonald-Korth
Cc: denisedalph...@gmail.com; christiaan76; Cole Evelev; Matthew Kane; kent
williams; Aidan O'Doherty; Marsel van der Wielen; list 313; Suzanne Heinrichs;
3...@coke-smyth.net
Subject: Re: Female Producers




Have any of you ever attended those electronic music events events with 
exclusively
female artists?





I have.  And in a lot of cases it seemed really awkward -- like the reason they 
were
selected as performers was due to their sex/gender over their accomplishments 
as a
performer/musician.  (To say nothing of the male patrons weirdly 'gawking' over 
them,
which is also super creepy.  A separate issue unto itself.)





So here we are listing out producers/djs, etc. and not discussing their works 
or what
makes them good (maybe one or two have, but most replies haven't).





That turns this into an ad-hoc roll call.  Which again sort of reminds of those 
types of
events I just mentioned.  To what end?





How about indicate what makes them interesting to mention here, aside from their
sex/gender?  That would seem like a more favorable way to approach this 
discussion,
while crediting them appropriately.





On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 12:40 PM, Holly MacDonald-Korth
 wrote:


Exactly.




From: denisedalph...@gmail.com [mailto:denisedalph...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, August 18, 2017 3:27 PM
To: christiaan76
Cc: Peter Bense; Cole Evelev; Matthew Kane; kent williams; Aidan O'Doherty;
Marsel van der Wielen; list 313; Suzanne Heinrichs; 3...@coke-smyth.net
Subject: Re: Female Producers





The only way gender will be gotten over is when sexism, homophobia, and
transphobia are done. I love this thread.



On Aug 18, 2017, at 15:21, christiaan76  wrote:


   exactly.

   Sent from my iPhone



   On Aug 18, 2017, at 21:09, Peter Bense  wrote:


   More generally: why is this gender thing so important?  Can't we get over it
   already..





   On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 10:16 AM, Cole Evelev 
   wrote:


   Sorry about that. This is who I was referencing.





   https://www.discogs.com/Powder-H/release/9983256

   Sent from my iPhone

Re: Female Producers

[jwan allen]

Exactly.


I've been looking at this list, and all I wonder is a) are they in the
crate, and b) if not let me check.

Getting over it is never part of the equation.

On Aug 18, 2017 6:17 PM, "Denise Dalphond"  wrote:

> just like white people need to teach ourselves how to fight racism by
> reading and researching without putting the burden on people of color, men
> need to do the same. the burden is not on women to inform you of the
> existence of sexism.
>
> and 313 is always an appropriate place to bring up race and racism. we
> love and talk and write about Black music. and a lot of us are white. we
> need to be talking about it.
>
> it's great to talk about female producers. i'm not one. i'm not a
> producer. i'm not a dj. i'm a fan. and i'm a writer.
>
> i mean, what if we were in a record store, we'd be saying i like this,
> what do you like, back and forth. so our roll call here is just bigger
> because there's more people talking.
>
> *Denise Dalphond, Ph.D.*
> *ethnomusicologist*
> *schoolcraftwax.work *
>
> On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 5:11 PM, christiaan 
> wrote:
>
>> im not crying and when someone is really good, male or female, there’s no
>> need to fight either.
>>
>>
>> On 18 Aug 2017, at 23:03, Denise Dalphond 
>> wrote:
>>
>> my point is sexism is real and men should be fighting to end it, not
>> crying that everything's hard for everyone.
>>
>> *Denise Dalphond, Ph.D.*
>> *ethnomusicologist*
>> *schoolcraftwax.work *
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 5:00 PM, Peter Bense  wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 1:56 PM, Denise Dalphond <
>>> denisedalph...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 "Have any of you ever attended those electronic music events events
 with *exclusively* female artists?

 I have.  And in a lot of cases it seemed really awkward -- like the
 reason they were selected as performers was due to their sex/gender over
 their accomplishments as a performer/musician.  (To say nothing of the male
 patrons weirdly 'gawking' over them, which is also super creepy.  A
 separate issue unto itself.)"

 You are failing to view those events through the lens of a girl or
 woman. It is often empowering.

>>>
>>> How presumptuous of you?
>>>
>>> I went to a number of those events and the other (female) attendees I
>>> was with were the ones who observed it first.  I have been to some that
>>> were frankly quite objectifying.
>>>
>>>
 And your taste in music does not match someone else's taste.

>>>
>>> No shit it doesn't, we're on a list called "313" which itself is about
>>> as marginal as it gets.
>>>
>>>
 I can imagine a young girl or young woman looking up at the stage,
 reading the lineup, researching the female artists she liked; that
 experience is life changing in a sexist world.

 A roll call is fine. To what end: in order to learn about more artists
 who are women because patriarchy makes them harder to come by.

>>>
>>> I still think it is poor form to not explain what makes them relevant or
>>> interesting.  It is already hard enough to talk about music with words, let
>>> alone to not use any.
>>>
>>> Moreover I don't think I understand the substance of your point about as
>>> to why the "patriarchy makes them harder to come by."
>>>
>>> I think it is hard to get recognized as a musician or producer no matter
>>> *who* you are or *what* your background is.
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: Female Producers

[Joe Marougi]

Plus she's cute too as is Peggy Gou from Korea.

Go ahead and flame me now for "objectifying her" like a sexist pig :-)

On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 1:52 PM Joe Marougi  wrote:

> Yes I mentioned her in my submission. She's damn good.
>
> On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 1:51 PM Peter Bense  wrote:
>
>> Well, while we're at it... Cinthie on/of Modus Bestus
>>  is one of the best damn ("new") house
>> DJs I've heard in years.
>>
>> She's prolific and her label has released a lot of good titles.  First
>> discovered her on her Boiler Room set
>> .  Runs a rather active
>> label.
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 1:46 PM, Holly MacDonald-Korth <
>> hko...@jwkorth.com> wrote:
>>
>>> The simple fact that it is hard for anyone here to name more than a
>>> handful of female producers is, in itself, a reason to mention them.
>>> Clearly, the music should be judged for itself, but in an ecosystem that is
>>> 95% (guessing here) male, there is indeed some merit in just identifying
>>> female producers in order to hold them up, track down their music, and
>>> judge for oneself whether it is worthy of praise independent of the context
>>> of the maker.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> However, the fact is that most music  cannot be judged independent of
>>> the identity of the maker. Techno is unique in that respect since it is
>>> largely visually anonymous and devoid of vocals. I proffer that from a male
>>> perspective it seems easy to say “just get over it and judge the music
>>> based on the music” but that does not take into account the possible
>>> reasons for wanting to listen to and seeking out female produced music, and
>>> the possible systemic challenges women and girls face both in learning to
>>> produce music and getting it published and distributed.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> (I’m couching this with “possible” here because I’m LONG out of the
>>> scene and the internet has changed a lot. But I don’t think it’s changed
>>> many ingrained attitudes and knee-jerk reactions….)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Peter Bense [mailto:textur...@gmail.com]
>>> *Sent:* Friday, August 18, 2017 4:30 PM
>>> *To:* Holly MacDonald-Korth
>>> *Cc:* denisedalph...@gmail.com; christiaan76; Cole Evelev; Matthew
>>> Kane; kent williams; Aidan O'Doherty; Marsel van der Wielen; list 313;
>>> Suzanne Heinrichs; 3...@coke-smyth.net
>>> *Subject:* Re: Female Producers
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Have any of you ever attended those electronic music events events with
>>> *exclusively* female artists?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I have.  And in a lot of cases it seemed really awkward -- like the
>>> reason they were selected as performers was due to their sex/gender over
>>> their accomplishments as a performer/musician.  (To say nothing of the male
>>> patrons weirdly 'gawking' over them, which is also super creepy.  A
>>> separate issue unto itself.)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> So here we are listing out producers/djs, etc. and not discussing their
>>> works or what makes them good (maybe one or two have, but most replies
>>> haven't).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> That turns this into an ad-hoc roll call.  Which again sort of reminds
>>> of those types of events I just mentioned.  To what end?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> How about indicate what makes them interesting to mention here, aside
>>> from their sex/gender?  That would seem like a more favorable way to
>>> approach this discussion, while crediting them appropriately.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 12:40 PM, Holly MacDonald-Korth <
>>> hko...@jwkorth.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Exactly.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* denisedalph...@gmail.com [mailto:denisedalph...@gmail.com]
>>> *Sent:* Friday, August 18, 2017 3:27 PM
>>> *To:* christiaan76
>>> *Cc:* Peter Bense; Cole Evelev; Matthew Kane; kent williams; Aidan
>>> O'Doherty; Marsel van der Wielen; list 313; Suzanne Heinrichs;
>>> 3...@coke-smyth.net
>>> *Subject:* Re: Female Producers
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The only way gender will be gotten over is when sexism, homophobia, and
>>> transphobia are done. I love this thread.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Aug 18, 2017, at 15:21, christiaan76  wrote:
>>>
>>> exactly.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>
>>> On Aug 18, 2017, at 21:09, Peter Bense  wrote:
>>>
>>> More generally: why is this gender thing so important?  Can't we get
>>> over it already..
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 10:16 AM, Cole Evelev 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Sorry about that. This is who I was referencing.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.discogs.com/Powder-H/release/9983256
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>

Re: Female Producers

[Peter Bense]

On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 2:53 PM, kent williams 
wrote:

> Bring on the mostly or completely female lineups. The people who actually
> have the guts to do that are putting on cutting edge, exciting events. But
> boy they sure seem to offend some people by not having penises on stage.
>

Nice attempt at condescendingly rounding it off.  But sorry, that's not the
point here.

It is the objectification that was describing, that I disagree with.  How
can you argue with that?

Well I am sure someone will find a way, but it doesn't seem like it should
be *you*.

Re: Female Producers

[kent williams]

Here's the thing.  I appreciate difference. Everyone person who makes music
has a unique perspective, and it shows up in their music.

The perspective of men has no trouble gaining an audience. It may be
getting easier for women to get an audience, but it still isn't easy.  If
you seek out the women making music, you're helping equalize things a bit.

And it doesn't mean you compromise on musical quality by seeking out women
artists.  In the past 2 years I've bought more music by women than men, and
it is meaningful, well made, adventurous music. And while there's no one
thing that women bring to their music that's different than what men do,
there's always something.

So bring on the lists of women.  I'll always hear about the men who
produce.  Bring on the mostly or completely female lineups. The people who
actually have the guts to do that are putting on cutting edge, exciting
events. But boy they sure seem to offend some people by not having penises
on stage.

On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 4:18 PM Denise Dalphond 
wrote:

> Christiaan, I do not spend time educating people about things they should
> obviously already know a lot about.
>
> *Denise Dalphond, Ph.D.*
> *ethnomusicologist*
> *schoolcraftwax.work *
>
> On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 5:15 PM, christiaan 
> wrote:
>
>> so are you saying that it is harder for females than males to have
>> succes?
>>
>> on what ground? have you researched and analysed this? do you have
>> numbers to prove this?
>>
>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 18 Aug 2017, at 23:11, Holly MacDonald-Korth 
>> wrote:
>>
>> “I think it is hard to get recognized as a musician or producer no matter
>>  *who* you are or *what* your background is.”
>>
>> This is true. But at every step of the process of becoming a producer and
>> getting recognized it is more difficult for a female. From learning about
>> equipment and what to buy, to having a cohort to learn to produce music
>> with, to having a network to submit songs to, to having promoters give you
>> opportunities to play, to labels taking you seriously and listening to your
>> tracks, to discussions like this.
>>
>> At each of those steps there are fewer opportunities for females. Just
>> because it is *more* difficult for females does not take away from the
>> fact that it is difficult for everyone. It is not a zero sum game.
>>
>> And “patriarchy makes them harder to come by” is basically illustrated in
>> my examples above.
>>
>> *From:* Peter Bense [mailto:textur...@gmail.com ]
>> *Sent:* Friday, August 18, 2017 5:01 PM
>> *To:* Denise Dalphond
>> *Cc:* list 313
>> *Subject:* Re: Female Producers
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 1:56 PM, Denise Dalphond <
>> denisedalph...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> "Have any of you ever attended those electronic music events events with
>> *exclusively* female artists?
>>
>> I have.  And in a lot of cases it seemed really awkward -- like the
>> reason they were selected as performers was due to their sex/gender over
>> their accomplishments as a performer/musician.  (To say nothing of the male
>> patrons weirdly 'gawking' over them, which is also super creepy.  A
>> separate issue unto itself.)"
>>
>> You are failing to view those events through the lens of a girl or woman.
>> It is often empowering.
>>
>> How presumptuous of you?
>>
>> I went to a number of those events and the other (female) attendees I was
>> with were the ones who observed it first.  I have been to some that were
>> frankly quite objectifying.
>>
>>
>> And your taste in music does not match someone else's taste.
>>
>>
>> No shit it doesn't, we're on a list called "313" which itself is about as
>> marginal as it gets.
>>
>>
>> I can imagine a young girl or young woman looking up at the stage,
>> reading the lineup, researching the female artists she liked; that
>> experience is life changing in a sexist world.
>>
>> A roll call is fine. To what end: in order to learn about more artists
>> who are women because patriarchy makes them harder to come by.
>>
>>
>> I still think it is poor form to not explain what makes them relevant or
>> interesting.  It is already hard enough to talk about music with words, let
>> alone to not use any.
>>
>> Moreover I don't think I understand the substance of your point about as
>> to why the "patriarchy makes them harder to come by."
>>
>> I think it is hard to get recognized as a musician or producer no matter
>> *who* you are or *what* your background is.
>>
>>
>>

Re: Female Producers

[Denise Dalphond]

Christiaan, I do not spend time educating people about things they should
obviously already know a lot about.

*Denise Dalphond, Ph.D.*
*ethnomusicologist*
*schoolcraftwax.work *

On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 5:15 PM, christiaan 
wrote:

> so are you saying that it is harder for females than males to have succes?
>
> on what ground? have you researched and analysed this? do you have numbers
> to prove this?
>
>
>
>
> On 18 Aug 2017, at 23:11, Holly MacDonald-Korth 
> wrote:
>
> “I think it is hard to get recognized as a musician or producer no matter
> *who* you are or *what* your background is.”
>
> This is true. But at every step of the process of becoming a producer and
> getting recognized it is more difficult for a female. From learning about
> equipment and what to buy, to having a cohort to learn to produce music
> with, to having a network to submit songs to, to having promoters give you
> opportunities to play, to labels taking you seriously and listening to your
> tracks, to discussions like this.
>
> At each of those steps there are fewer opportunities for females. Just
> because it is *more* difficult for females does not take away from the
> fact that it is difficult for everyone. It is not a zero sum game.
>
> And “patriarchy makes them harder to come by” is basically illustrated in
> my examples above.
>
> *From:* Peter Bense [mailto:textur...@gmail.com ]
> *Sent:* Friday, August 18, 2017 5:01 PM
> *To:* Denise Dalphond
> *Cc:* list 313
> *Subject:* Re: Female Producers
>
> On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 1:56 PM, Denise Dalphond 
> wrote:
> "Have any of you ever attended those electronic music events events with
> *exclusively* female artists?
>
> I have.  And in a lot of cases it seemed really awkward -- like the reason
> they were selected as performers was due to their sex/gender over their
> accomplishments as a performer/musician.  (To say nothing of the male
> patrons weirdly 'gawking' over them, which is also super creepy.  A
> separate issue unto itself.)"
>
> You are failing to view those events through the lens of a girl or woman.
> It is often empowering.
>
> How presumptuous of you?
>
> I went to a number of those events and the other (female) attendees I was
> with were the ones who observed it first.  I have been to some that were
> frankly quite objectifying.
>
>
> And your taste in music does not match someone else's taste.
>
>
> No shit it doesn't, we're on a list called "313" which itself is about as
> marginal as it gets.
>
>
> I can imagine a young girl or young woman looking up at the stage, reading
> the lineup, researching the female artists she liked; that experience is
> life changing in a sexist world.
>
> A roll call is fine. To what end: in order to learn about more artists who
> are women because patriarchy makes them harder to come by.
>
>
> I still think it is poor form to not explain what makes them relevant or
> interesting.  It is already hard enough to talk about music with words, let
> alone to not use any.
>
> Moreover I don't think I understand the substance of your point about as
> to why the "patriarchy makes them harder to come by."
>
> I think it is hard to get recognized as a musician or producer no matter
> *who* you are or *what* your background is.
>
>
>

Re: Female Producers

[DJ Shiva]

What Denise said. Meanwhile, enjoy a thread full of great talent! :)

On 18 Aug 2017 3:27 pm,  wrote:

The only way gender will be gotten over is when sexism, homophobia, and
transphobia are done. I love this thread.

On Aug 18, 2017, at 15:21, christiaan76  wrote:

exactly.

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 18, 2017, at 21:09, Peter Bense  wrote:

More generally: why is this gender thing so important?  Can't we get over
it already..

On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 10:16 AM, Cole Evelev  wrote:

> Sorry about that. This is who I was referencing.
>
> https://www.discogs.com/Powder-H/release/9983256
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>

Re: Female Producers

[Denise Dalphond]

just like white people need to teach ourselves how to fight racism by
reading and researching without putting the burden on people of color, men
need to do the same. the burden is not on women to inform you of the
existence of sexism.

and 313 is always an appropriate place to bring up race and racism. we love
and talk and write about Black music. and a lot of us are white. we need to
be talking about it.

it's great to talk about female producers. i'm not one. i'm not a producer.
i'm not a dj. i'm a fan. and i'm a writer.

i mean, what if we were in a record store, we'd be saying i like this, what
do you like, back and forth. so our roll call here is just bigger because
there's more people talking.

*Denise Dalphond, Ph.D.*
*ethnomusicologist*
*schoolcraftwax.work *

On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 5:11 PM, christiaan 
wrote:

> im not crying and when someone is really good, male or female, there’s no
> need to fight either.
>
>
> On 18 Aug 2017, at 23:03, Denise Dalphond 
> wrote:
>
> my point is sexism is real and men should be fighting to end it, not
> crying that everything's hard for everyone.
>
> *Denise Dalphond, Ph.D.*
> *ethnomusicologist*
> *schoolcraftwax.work *
>
> On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 5:00 PM, Peter Bense  wrote:
>
>> On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 1:56 PM, Denise Dalphond <
>> denisedalph...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> "Have any of you ever attended those electronic music events events with
>>>  *exclusively* female artists?
>>>
>>> I have.  And in a lot of cases it seemed really awkward -- like the
>>> reason they were selected as performers was due to their sex/gender over
>>> their accomplishments as a performer/musician.  (To say nothing of the male
>>> patrons weirdly 'gawking' over them, which is also super creepy.  A
>>> separate issue unto itself.)"
>>>
>>> You are failing to view those events through the lens of a girl or
>>> woman. It is often empowering.
>>>
>>
>> How presumptuous of you?
>>
>> I went to a number of those events and the other (female) attendees I was
>> with were the ones who observed it first.  I have been to some that were
>> frankly quite objectifying.
>>
>>
>>> And your taste in music does not match someone else's taste.
>>>
>>
>> No shit it doesn't, we're on a list called "313" which itself is about as
>> marginal as it gets.
>>
>>
>>> I can imagine a young girl or young woman looking up at the stage,
>>> reading the lineup, researching the female artists she liked; that
>>> experience is life changing in a sexist world.
>>>
>>> A roll call is fine. To what end: in order to learn about more artists
>>> who are women because patriarchy makes them harder to come by.
>>>
>>
>> I still think it is poor form to not explain what makes them relevant or
>> interesting.  It is already hard enough to talk about music with words, let
>> alone to not use any.
>>
>> Moreover I don't think I understand the substance of your point about as
>> to why the "patriarchy makes them harder to come by."
>>
>> I think it is hard to get recognized as a musician or producer no matter
>> *who* you are or *what* your background is.
>>
>
>
>

RE: Female Producers

[Holly MacDonald-Korth]

“I think it is hard to get recognized as a musician or producer no matter who 
you are or what your background is.”

This is true. But at every step of the process of becoming a producer and 
getting recognized it is more difficult for a female. From learning about 
equipment and what to buy, to having a cohort to learn to produce music with, 
to having a network to submit songs to, to having promoters give you 
opportunities to play, to labels taking you seriously and listening to your 
tracks, to discussions like this.

At each of those steps there are fewer opportunities for females. Just because 
it is more difficult for females does not take away from the fact that it is 
difficult for everyone. It is not a zero sum game.

And “patriarchy makes them harder to come by” is basically illustrated in my 
examples above.

From: Peter Bense [mailto:textur...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, August 18, 2017 5:01 PM
To: Denise Dalphond
Cc: list 313
Subject: Re: Female Producers

On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 1:56 PM, Denise Dalphond 
> wrote:
"Have any of you ever attended those electronic music events events with 
exclusively female artists?

I have.  And in a lot of cases it seemed really awkward -- like the reason they 
were selected as performers was due to their sex/gender over their 
accomplishments as a performer/musician.  (To say nothing of the male patrons 
weirdly 'gawking' over them, which is also super creepy.  A separate issue unto 
itself.)"

You are failing to view those events through the lens of a girl or woman. It is 
often empowering.

How presumptuous of you?

I went to a number of those events and the other (female) attendees I was with 
were the ones who observed it first.  I have been to some that were frankly 
quite objectifying.

And your taste in music does not match someone else's taste.

No shit it doesn't, we're on a list called "313" which itself is about as 
marginal as it gets.

I can imagine a young girl or young woman looking up at the stage, reading the 
lineup, researching the female artists she liked; that experience is life 
changing in a sexist world.

A roll call is fine. To what end: in order to learn about more artists who are 
women because patriarchy makes them harder to come by.

I still think it is poor form to not explain what makes them relevant or 
interesting.  It is already hard enough to talk about music with words, let 
alone to not use any.

Moreover I don't think I understand the substance of your point about as to why 
the "patriarchy makes them harder to come by."

I think it is hard to get recognized as a musician or producer no matter who 
you are or what your background is.

Re: Female Producers

[Denise Dalphond]

men don't like it when you call them sexists. that doesn't mean that
they're feminists.

super cheeky. i didn't have anything else of note to say the first read
through and i'm not going to go back and read again.

*Denise Dalphond, Ph.D.*
*ethnomusicologist*
*schoolcraftwax.work *

On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 5:09 PM, Christiaan Macdonald <
christi...@societyfools.com> wrote:

> cheeky example, sure. but im just stating facts here and i think you were
> the first to bring up sexism in this thread.
>
> anyway its interesting you just respond to the ike and tina turner bit,
> but stay silent on the rest of my message.
>
>
> Christiaan A. Macdonald
>
> Director of Fools
> Society Fools
>
> Oudekerksplein 26
> 1012 GZ Amsterdam
> The Netherlands
>
> www.societyfools.com
>
>
>
>
>
> On 18 Aug 2017, at 23:05, Denise Dalphond 
> wrote:
>
> "before he beat the shit out of her"
>
> no need to trigger every woman on the list.
>
> it really is okay to talk about music without sexism. lots of people do it
> all the time.
>
> *Denise Dalphond, Ph.D.*
> *ethnomusicologist*
> *schoolcraftwax.work *
>
> On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 5:00 PM, christiaan 
> wrote:
>
>> oh please. its nothing to do with that, its about talent. there are good
>> producers and bad ones, pretty much like music.
>>
>> before he beat the shit out of her it was ike *and* turner. there was
>> marvin *and* diana. they got picked because they were talented - usually
>> they sang their ass off in church - and somehow they got signed to a label
>> because an a saw the potential to make money. simple economics.
>>
>> there is this consensus lately that there should be more female djs,
>> because there are so few female dj’s. festivals are now booking female djs,
>> because they feel the pressure to do so. ugh, the entitlement..
>>
>> there have been great female producers/djs for a long time, successful
>> ones too. just not that many. but there have been many great female
>> performers for as long as their is an entertainment industry. so i guess
>> not that many women thought being a producer or dj. there are more popping
>> up recently and although thats a great thing, all that talk about it is
>> really annoying.
>>
>> then again, i am a male and white and privileged…
>>
>>
>>
>> On 18 Aug 2017, at 21:27, denisedalph...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> The only way gender will be gotten over is when sexism, homophobia, and
>> transphobia are done. I love this thread.
>>
>> On Aug 18, 2017, at 15:21, christiaan76  wrote:
>>
>> exactly.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Aug 18, 2017, at 21:09, Peter Bense  wrote:
>>
>> More generally: why is this gender thing so important?  Can't we get over
>> it already..
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 10:16 AM, Cole Evelev 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Sorry about that. This is who I was referencing.
>>>
>>> https://www.discogs.com/Powder-H/release/9983256
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: Female Producers

[Denise Dalphond]

"before he beat the shit out of her"

no need to trigger every woman on the list.

it really is okay to talk about music without sexism. lots of people do it
all the time.

*Denise Dalphond, Ph.D.*
*ethnomusicologist*
*schoolcraftwax.work *

On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 5:00 PM, christiaan 
wrote:

> oh please. its nothing to do with that, its about talent. there are good
> producers and bad ones, pretty much like music.
>
> before he beat the shit out of her it was ike *and* turner. there was
> marvin *and* diana. they got picked because they were talented - usually
> they sang their ass off in church - and somehow they got signed to a label
> because an a saw the potential to make money. simple economics.
>
> there is this consensus lately that there should be more female djs,
> because there are so few female dj’s. festivals are now booking female djs,
> because they feel the pressure to do so. ugh, the entitlement..
>
> there have been great female producers/djs for a long time, successful
> ones too. just not that many. but there have been many great female
> performers for as long as their is an entertainment industry. so i guess
> not that many women thought being a producer or dj. there are more popping
> up recently and although thats a great thing, all that talk about it is
> really annoying.
>
> then again, i am a male and white and privileged…
>
>
>
> On 18 Aug 2017, at 21:27, denisedalph...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> The only way gender will be gotten over is when sexism, homophobia, and
> transphobia are done. I love this thread.
>
> On Aug 18, 2017, at 15:21, christiaan76  wrote:
>
> exactly.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 18, 2017, at 21:09, Peter Bense  wrote:
>
> More generally: why is this gender thing so important?  Can't we get over
> it already..
>
> On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 10:16 AM, Cole Evelev 
> wrote:
>
>> Sorry about that. This is who I was referencing.
>>
>> https://www.discogs.com/Powder-H/release/9983256
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>
>
>

Re: Female Producers

[Denise Dalphond]

my point is sexism is real and men should be fighting to end it, not crying
that everything's hard for everyone.

*Denise Dalphond, Ph.D.*
*ethnomusicologist*
*schoolcraftwax.work *

On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 5:00 PM, Peter Bense  wrote:

> On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 1:56 PM, Denise Dalphond  > wrote:
>
>> "Have any of you ever attended those electronic music events events with
>> *exclusively* female artists?
>>
>> I have.  And in a lot of cases it seemed really awkward -- like the
>> reason they were selected as performers was due to their sex/gender over
>> their accomplishments as a performer/musician.  (To say nothing of the male
>> patrons weirdly 'gawking' over them, which is also super creepy.  A
>> separate issue unto itself.)"
>>
>> You are failing to view those events through the lens of a girl or woman.
>> It is often empowering.
>>
>
> How presumptuous of you?
>
> I went to a number of those events and the other (female) attendees I was
> with were the ones who observed it first.  I have been to some that were
> frankly quite objectifying.
>
>
>> And your taste in music does not match someone else's taste.
>>
>
> No shit it doesn't, we're on a list called "313" which itself is about as
> marginal as it gets.
>
>
>> I can imagine a young girl or young woman looking up at the stage,
>> reading the lineup, researching the female artists she liked; that
>> experience is life changing in a sexist world.
>>
>> A roll call is fine. To what end: in order to learn about more artists
>> who are women because patriarchy makes them harder to come by.
>>
>
> I still think it is poor form to not explain what makes them relevant or
> interesting.  It is already hard enough to talk about music with words, let
> alone to not use any.
>
> Moreover I don't think I understand the substance of your point about as
> to why the "patriarchy makes them harder to come by."
>
> I think it is hard to get recognized as a musician or producer no matter
> *who* you are or *what* your background is.
>

Re: Female Producers

[Peter Bense]

On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 1:56 PM, Denise Dalphond 
wrote:

> "Have any of you ever attended those electronic music events events with
> *exclusively* female artists?
>
> I have.  And in a lot of cases it seemed really awkward -- like the reason
> they were selected as performers was due to their sex/gender over their
> accomplishments as a performer/musician.  (To say nothing of the male
> patrons weirdly 'gawking' over them, which is also super creepy.  A
> separate issue unto itself.)"
>
> You are failing to view those events through the lens of a girl or woman.
> It is often empowering.
>

How presumptuous of you?

I went to a number of those events and the other (female) attendees I was
with were the ones who observed it first.  I have been to some that were
frankly quite objectifying.


> And your taste in music does not match someone else's taste.
>

No shit it doesn't, we're on a list called "313" which itself is about as
marginal as it gets.


> I can imagine a young girl or young woman looking up at the stage, reading
> the lineup, researching the female artists she liked; that experience is
> life changing in a sexist world.
>
> A roll call is fine. To what end: in order to learn about more artists who
> are women because patriarchy makes them harder to come by.
>

I still think it is poor form to not explain what makes them relevant or
interesting.  It is already hard enough to talk about music with words, let
alone to not use any.

Moreover I don't think I understand the substance of your point about as to
why the "patriarchy makes them harder to come by."

I think it is hard to get recognized as a musician or producer no matter
*who* you are or *what* your background is.

Re: Female Producers

[Denise Dalphond]

"Have any of you ever attended those electronic music events events with
*exclusively* female artists?

I have.  And in a lot of cases it seemed really awkward -- like the reason
they were selected as performers was due to their sex/gender over their
accomplishments as a performer/musician.  (To say nothing of the male
patrons weirdly 'gawking' over them, which is also super creepy.  A
separate issue unto itself.)"

You are failing to view those events through the lens of a girl or woman.
It is often empowering. And your taste in music does not match someone
else's taste. I can imagine a young girl or young woman looking up at the
stage, reading the lineup, researching the female artists she liked; that
experience is life changing in a sexist world.

A roll call is fine. To what end: in order to learn about more artists who
are women because patriarchy makes them harder to come by.

*Denise Dalphond, Ph.D.*
*ethnomusicologist*
*schoolcraftwax.work *

On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 4:30 PM, Peter Bense  wrote:

> Have any of you ever attended those electronic music events events with
> *exclusively* female artists?
>
> I have.  And in a lot of cases it seemed really awkward -- like the reason
> they were selected as performers was due to their sex/gender over their
> accomplishments as a performer/musician.  (To say nothing of the male
> patrons weirdly 'gawking' over them, which is also super creepy.  A
> separate issue unto itself.)
>
> So here we are listing out producers/djs, etc. and not discussing their
> works or what makes them good (maybe one or two have, but most replies
> haven't).
>
> That turns this into an ad-hoc roll call.  Which again sort of reminds of
> those types of events I just mentioned.  To what end?
>
> How about indicate what makes them interesting to mention here, aside from
> their sex/gender?  That would seem like a more favorable way to approach
> this discussion, while crediting them appropriately.
>
> On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 12:40 PM, Holly MacDonald-Korth <
> hko...@jwkorth.com> wrote:
>
>> Exactly.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* denisedalph...@gmail.com [mailto:denisedalph...@gmail.com]
>> *Sent:* Friday, August 18, 2017 3:27 PM
>> *To:* christiaan76
>> *Cc:* Peter Bense; Cole Evelev; Matthew Kane; kent williams; Aidan
>> O'Doherty; Marsel van der Wielen; list 313; Suzanne Heinrichs;
>> 3...@coke-smyth.net
>> *Subject:* Re: Female Producers
>>
>>
>>
>> The only way gender will be gotten over is when sexism, homophobia, and
>> transphobia are done. I love this thread.
>>
>>
>> On Aug 18, 2017, at 15:21, christiaan76  wrote:
>>
>> exactly.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>
>> On Aug 18, 2017, at 21:09, Peter Bense  wrote:
>>
>> More generally: why is this gender thing so important?  Can't we get over
>> it already..
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 10:16 AM, Cole Evelev 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Sorry about that. This is who I was referencing.
>>
>>
>>
>> https://www.discogs.com/Powder-H/release/9983256
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: Female Producers

[Peter Bense]

Ah -- never heard her referenced by her last name, thought it was someone
else.

On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 1:52 PM, Joe Marougi  wrote:

> Yes I mentioned her in my submission. She's damn good.
>
> On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 1:51 PM Peter Bense  wrote:
>
>> Well, while we're at it... Cinthie on/of Modus Bestus
>>  is one of the best damn ("new") house
>> DJs I've heard in years.
>>
>> She's prolific and her label has released a lot of good titles.  First
>> discovered her on her Boiler Room set
>> .  Runs a rather active
>> label.
>>
>

Re: Female Producers

[Joe Marougi]

Yes I mentioned her in my submission. She's damn good.

On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 1:51 PM Peter Bense  wrote:

> Well, while we're at it... Cinthie on/of Modus Bestus
>  is one of the best damn ("new") house
> DJs I've heard in years.
>
> She's prolific and her label has released a lot of good titles.  First
> discovered her on her Boiler Room set
> .  Runs a rather active
> label.
>
> On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 1:46 PM, Holly MacDonald-Korth  > wrote:
>
>> The simple fact that it is hard for anyone here to name more than a
>> handful of female producers is, in itself, a reason to mention them.
>> Clearly, the music should be judged for itself, but in an ecosystem that is
>> 95% (guessing here) male, there is indeed some merit in just identifying
>> female producers in order to hold them up, track down their music, and
>> judge for oneself whether it is worthy of praise independent of the context
>> of the maker.
>>
>>
>>
>> However, the fact is that most music  cannot be judged independent of the
>> identity of the maker. Techno is unique in that respect since it is largely
>> visually anonymous and devoid of vocals. I proffer that from a male
>> perspective it seems easy to say “just get over it and judge the music
>> based on the music” but that does not take into account the possible
>> reasons for wanting to listen to and seeking out female produced music, and
>> the possible systemic challenges women and girls face both in learning to
>> produce music and getting it published and distributed.
>>
>>
>>
>> (I’m couching this with “possible” here because I’m LONG out of the scene
>> and the internet has changed a lot. But I don’t think it’s changed many
>> ingrained attitudes and knee-jerk reactions….)
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Peter Bense [mailto:textur...@gmail.com]
>> *Sent:* Friday, August 18, 2017 4:30 PM
>> *To:* Holly MacDonald-Korth
>> *Cc:* denisedalph...@gmail.com; christiaan76; Cole Evelev; Matthew Kane;
>> kent williams; Aidan O'Doherty; Marsel van der Wielen; list 313; Suzanne
>> Heinrichs; 3...@coke-smyth.net
>> *Subject:* Re: Female Producers
>>
>>
>>
>> Have any of you ever attended those electronic music events events with
>> *exclusively* female artists?
>>
>>
>>
>> I have.  And in a lot of cases it seemed really awkward -- like the
>> reason they were selected as performers was due to their sex/gender over
>> their accomplishments as a performer/musician.  (To say nothing of the male
>> patrons weirdly 'gawking' over them, which is also super creepy.  A
>> separate issue unto itself.)
>>
>>
>>
>> So here we are listing out producers/djs, etc. and not discussing their
>> works or what makes them good (maybe one or two have, but most replies
>> haven't).
>>
>>
>>
>> That turns this into an ad-hoc roll call.  Which again sort of reminds of
>> those types of events I just mentioned.  To what end?
>>
>>
>>
>> How about indicate what makes them interesting to mention here, aside
>> from their sex/gender?  That would seem like a more favorable way to
>> approach this discussion, while crediting them appropriately.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 12:40 PM, Holly MacDonald-Korth <
>> hko...@jwkorth.com> wrote:
>>
>> Exactly.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* denisedalph...@gmail.com [mailto:denisedalph...@gmail.com]
>> *Sent:* Friday, August 18, 2017 3:27 PM
>> *To:* christiaan76
>> *Cc:* Peter Bense; Cole Evelev; Matthew Kane; kent williams; Aidan
>> O'Doherty; Marsel van der Wielen; list 313; Suzanne Heinrichs;
>> 3...@coke-smyth.net
>> *Subject:* Re: Female Producers
>>
>>
>>
>> The only way gender will be gotten over is when sexism, homophobia, and
>> transphobia are done. I love this thread.
>>
>>
>> On Aug 18, 2017, at 15:21, christiaan76  wrote:
>>
>> exactly.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>
>> On Aug 18, 2017, at 21:09, Peter Bense  wrote:
>>
>> More generally: why is this gender thing so important?  Can't we get over
>> it already..
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 10:16 AM, Cole Evelev 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Sorry about that. This is who I was referencing.
>>
>>
>>
>> https://www.discogs.com/Powder-H/release/9983256
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: Female Producers

[Peter Bense]

Well, while we're at it... Cinthie on/of Modus Bestus
 is one of the best damn ("new") house DJs
I've heard in years.

She's prolific and her label has released a lot of good titles.  First
discovered her on her Boiler Room set
.  Runs a rather active label.

On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 1:46 PM, Holly MacDonald-Korth 
wrote:

> The simple fact that it is hard for anyone here to name more than a
> handful of female producers is, in itself, a reason to mention them.
> Clearly, the music should be judged for itself, but in an ecosystem that is
> 95% (guessing here) male, there is indeed some merit in just identifying
> female producers in order to hold them up, track down their music, and
> judge for oneself whether it is worthy of praise independent of the context
> of the maker.
>
>
>
> However, the fact is that most music  cannot be judged independent of the
> identity of the maker. Techno is unique in that respect since it is largely
> visually anonymous and devoid of vocals. I proffer that from a male
> perspective it seems easy to say “just get over it and judge the music
> based on the music” but that does not take into account the possible
> reasons for wanting to listen to and seeking out female produced music, and
> the possible systemic challenges women and girls face both in learning to
> produce music and getting it published and distributed.
>
>
>
> (I’m couching this with “possible” here because I’m LONG out of the scene
> and the internet has changed a lot. But I don’t think it’s changed many
> ingrained attitudes and knee-jerk reactions….)
>
>
>
> *From:* Peter Bense [mailto:textur...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Friday, August 18, 2017 4:30 PM
> *To:* Holly MacDonald-Korth
> *Cc:* denisedalph...@gmail.com; christiaan76; Cole Evelev; Matthew Kane;
> kent williams; Aidan O'Doherty; Marsel van der Wielen; list 313; Suzanne
> Heinrichs; 3...@coke-smyth.net
> *Subject:* Re: Female Producers
>
>
>
> Have any of you ever attended those electronic music events events with
> *exclusively* female artists?
>
>
>
> I have.  And in a lot of cases it seemed really awkward -- like the reason
> they were selected as performers was due to their sex/gender over their
> accomplishments as a performer/musician.  (To say nothing of the male
> patrons weirdly 'gawking' over them, which is also super creepy.  A
> separate issue unto itself.)
>
>
>
> So here we are listing out producers/djs, etc. and not discussing their
> works or what makes them good (maybe one or two have, but most replies
> haven't).
>
>
>
> That turns this into an ad-hoc roll call.  Which again sort of reminds of
> those types of events I just mentioned.  To what end?
>
>
>
> How about indicate what makes them interesting to mention here, aside from
> their sex/gender?  That would seem like a more favorable way to approach
> this discussion, while crediting them appropriately.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 12:40 PM, Holly MacDonald-Korth <
> hko...@jwkorth.com> wrote:
>
> Exactly.
>
>
>
> *From:* denisedalph...@gmail.com [mailto:denisedalph...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Friday, August 18, 2017 3:27 PM
> *To:* christiaan76
> *Cc:* Peter Bense; Cole Evelev; Matthew Kane; kent williams; Aidan
> O'Doherty; Marsel van der Wielen; list 313; Suzanne Heinrichs;
> 3...@coke-smyth.net
> *Subject:* Re: Female Producers
>
>
>
> The only way gender will be gotten over is when sexism, homophobia, and
> transphobia are done. I love this thread.
>
>
> On Aug 18, 2017, at 15:21, christiaan76  wrote:
>
> exactly.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On Aug 18, 2017, at 21:09, Peter Bense  wrote:
>
> More generally: why is this gender thing so important?  Can't we get over
> it already..
>
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 10:16 AM, Cole Evelev 
> wrote:
>
> Sorry about that. This is who I was referencing.
>
>
>
> https://www.discogs.com/Powder-H/release/9983256
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
>
>

RE: Female Producers

[Holly MacDonald-Korth]

The simple fact that it is hard for anyone here to name more than a handful of 
female producers is, in itself, a reason to mention them. Clearly, the music 
should be judged for itself, but in an ecosystem that is 95% (guessing here) 
male, there is indeed some merit in just identifying female producers in order 
to hold them up, track down their music, and judge for oneself whether it is 
worthy of praise independent of the context of the maker.

However, the fact is that most music  cannot be judged independent of the 
identity of the maker. Techno is unique in that respect since it is largely 
visually anonymous and devoid of vocals. I proffer that from a male perspective 
it seems easy to say “just get over it and judge the music based on the music” 
but that does not take into account the possible reasons for wanting to listen 
to and seeking out female produced music, and the possible systemic challenges 
women and girls face both in learning to produce music and getting it published 
and distributed.

(I’m couching this with “possible” here because I’m LONG out of the scene and 
the internet has changed a lot. But I don’t think it’s changed many ingrained 
attitudes and knee-jerk reactions….)

From: Peter Bense [mailto:textur...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, August 18, 2017 4:30 PM
To: Holly MacDonald-Korth
Cc: denisedalph...@gmail.com; christiaan76; Cole Evelev; Matthew Kane; kent 
williams; Aidan O'Doherty; Marsel van der Wielen; list 313; Suzanne Heinrichs; 
3...@coke-smyth.net
Subject: Re: Female Producers

Have any of you ever attended those electronic music events events with 
exclusively female artists?

I have.  And in a lot of cases it seemed really awkward -- like the reason they 
were selected as performers was due to their sex/gender over their 
accomplishments as a performer/musician.  (To say nothing of the male patrons 
weirdly 'gawking' over them, which is also super creepy.  A separate issue unto 
itself.)

So here we are listing out producers/djs, etc. and not discussing their works 
or what makes them good (maybe one or two have, but most replies haven't).

That turns this into an ad-hoc roll call.  Which again sort of reminds of those 
types of events I just mentioned.  To what end?

How about indicate what makes them interesting to mention here, aside from 
their sex/gender?  That would seem like a more favorable way to approach this 
discussion, while crediting them appropriately.

On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 12:40 PM, Holly MacDonald-Korth 
> wrote:
Exactly.

From: denisedalph...@gmail.com 
[mailto:denisedalph...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, August 18, 2017 3:27 PM
To: christiaan76
Cc: Peter Bense; Cole Evelev; Matthew Kane; kent williams; Aidan O'Doherty; 
Marsel van der Wielen; list 313; Suzanne Heinrichs; 
3...@coke-smyth.net
Subject: Re: Female Producers

The only way gender will be gotten over is when sexism, homophobia, and 
transphobia are done. I love this thread.

On Aug 18, 2017, at 15:21, christiaan76 
> wrote:
exactly.

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 18, 2017, at 21:09, Peter Bense 
> wrote:
More generally: why is this gender thing so important?  Can't we get over it 
already..

On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 10:16 AM, Cole Evelev 
> wrote:
Sorry about that. This is who I was referencing.

https://www.discogs.com/Powder-H/release/9983256

Sent from my iPhone

Re: Female Producers

[Peter Bense]

I've been on this list since the 90's and like to think (admittedly,
perhaps not rightfully) that people don't typically assume the worst of you
because you call something into question.

On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 1:37 PM, Matthew Kane 
wrote:

> Maybe this could have been your first message? Because we're
> definitely not past "this gender thing" as a species.

Re: Female Producers

[Matthew Kane]

Maybe this could have been your first message? Because we're
definitely not past "this gender thing" as a species.

On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 4:30 PM, Peter Bense  wrote:
> Have any of you ever attended those electronic music events events with
> exclusively female artists?
>
> I have.  And in a lot of cases it seemed really awkward -- like the reason
> they were selected as performers was due to their sex/gender over their
> accomplishments as a performer/musician.  (To say nothing of the male
> patrons weirdly 'gawking' over them, which is also super creepy.  A separate
> issue unto itself.)
>
> So here we are listing out producers/djs, etc. and not discussing their
> works or what makes them good (maybe one or two have, but most replies
> haven't).
>
> That turns this into an ad-hoc roll call.  Which again sort of reminds of
> those types of events I just mentioned.  To what end?
>
> How about indicate what makes them interesting to mention here, aside from
> their sex/gender?  That would seem like a more favorable way to approach
> this discussion, while crediting them appropriately.
>
> On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 12:40 PM, Holly MacDonald-Korth 
> wrote:
>>
>> Exactly.
>>
>>
>>
>> From: denisedalph...@gmail.com [mailto:denisedalph...@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Friday, August 18, 2017 3:27 PM
>> To: christiaan76
>> Cc: Peter Bense; Cole Evelev; Matthew Kane; kent williams; Aidan
>> O'Doherty; Marsel van der Wielen; list 313; Suzanne Heinrichs;
>> 3...@coke-smyth.net
>> Subject: Re: Female Producers
>>
>>
>>
>> The only way gender will be gotten over is when sexism, homophobia, and
>> transphobia are done. I love this thread.
>>
>>
>> On Aug 18, 2017, at 15:21, christiaan76  wrote:
>>
>> exactly.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>
>> On Aug 18, 2017, at 21:09, Peter Bense  wrote:
>>
>> More generally: why is this gender thing so important?  Can't we get over
>> it already..
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 10:16 AM, Cole Evelev 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Sorry about that. This is who I was referencing.
>>
>>
>>
>> https://www.discogs.com/Powder-H/release/9983256
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>
>
>



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Re: Female Producers

[Peter Bense]

Have any of you ever attended those electronic music events events with
*exclusively* female artists?

I have.  And in a lot of cases it seemed really awkward -- like the reason
they were selected as performers was due to their sex/gender over their
accomplishments as a performer/musician.  (To say nothing of the male
patrons weirdly 'gawking' over them, which is also super creepy.  A
separate issue unto itself.)

So here we are listing out producers/djs, etc. and not discussing their
works or what makes them good (maybe one or two have, but most replies
haven't).

That turns this into an ad-hoc roll call.  Which again sort of reminds of
those types of events I just mentioned.  To what end?

How about indicate what makes them interesting to mention here, aside from
their sex/gender?  That would seem like a more favorable way to approach
this discussion, while crediting them appropriately.

On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 12:40 PM, Holly MacDonald-Korth 
wrote:

> Exactly.
>
>
>
> *From:* denisedalph...@gmail.com [mailto:denisedalph...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Friday, August 18, 2017 3:27 PM
> *To:* christiaan76
> *Cc:* Peter Bense; Cole Evelev; Matthew Kane; kent williams; Aidan
> O'Doherty; Marsel van der Wielen; list 313; Suzanne Heinrichs;
> 3...@coke-smyth.net
> *Subject:* Re: Female Producers
>
>
>
> The only way gender will be gotten over is when sexism, homophobia, and
> transphobia are done. I love this thread.
>
>
> On Aug 18, 2017, at 15:21, christiaan76  wrote:
>
> exactly.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On Aug 18, 2017, at 21:09, Peter Bense  wrote:
>
> More generally: why is this gender thing so important?  Can't we get over
> it already..
>
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 10:16 AM, Cole Evelev 
> wrote:
>
> Sorry about that. This is who I was referencing.
>
>
>
> https://www.discogs.com/Powder-H/release/9983256
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
>

RE: Female Producers

[Holly MacDonald-Korth]

Exactly.

From: denisedalph...@gmail.com [mailto:denisedalph...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, August 18, 2017 3:27 PM
To: christiaan76
Cc: Peter Bense; Cole Evelev; Matthew Kane; kent williams; Aidan O'Doherty; 
Marsel van der Wielen; list 313; Suzanne Heinrichs; 3...@coke-smyth.net
Subject: Re: Female Producers

The only way gender will be gotten over is when sexism, homophobia, and 
transphobia are done. I love this thread.

On Aug 18, 2017, at 15:21, christiaan76 
> wrote:
exactly.

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 18, 2017, at 21:09, Peter Bense 
> wrote:
More generally: why is this gender thing so important?  Can't we get over it 
already..

On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 10:16 AM, Cole Evelev 
> wrote:
Sorry about that. This is who I was referencing.

https://www.discogs.com/Powder-H/release/9983256

Sent from my iPhone

Re: Female Producers

[Joe Marougi]

I don't think it's anything to "get over with".  Just a question about
producers that happen to be female.

Sensitive Sally's everywhere...

On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 12:09 PM Peter Bense  wrote:

> More generally: why is this gender thing so important?  Can't we get over
> it already..
>
> On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 10:16 AM, Cole Evelev 
> wrote:
>
>> Sorry about that. This is who I was referencing.
>>
>> https://www.discogs.com/Powder-H/release/9983256
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>
>

Re: Female Producers

[denisedalphond]

The only way gender will be gotten over is when sexism, homophobia, and 
transphobia are done. I love this thread. 

> On Aug 18, 2017, at 15:21, christiaan76  wrote:
> 
> exactly.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Aug 18, 2017, at 21:09, Peter Bense  wrote:
>> 
>> More generally: why is this gender thing so important?  Can't we get over it 
>> already..
>> 
>>> On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 10:16 AM, Cole Evelev  wrote:
>>> Sorry about that. This is who I was referencing. 
>>> 
>>> https://www.discogs.com/Powder-H/release/9983256
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 

Re: Female Producers

[christiaan76]

exactly.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 18, 2017, at 21:09, Peter Bense  wrote:
> 
> More generally: why is this gender thing so important?  Can't we get over it 
> already..
> 
>> On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 10:16 AM, Cole Evelev  wrote:
>> Sorry about that. This is who I was referencing. 
>> 
>> https://www.discogs.com/Powder-H/release/9983256
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
> 

Re: Female Producers

[Peter Bense]

More generally: why is this gender thing so important?  Can't we get over
it already..

On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 10:16 AM, Cole Evelev  wrote:

> Sorry about that. This is who I was referencing.
>
> https://www.discogs.com/Powder-H/release/9983256
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>

Re: Dust Science

[313]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just-in-time_manufacturing

On 2017-08-18 19:23, 3...@coke-smyth.net wrote:

No really. My car only has a CD player. It is a Toyota.

JIT

C

On 2017-08-18 19:06, 3...@coke-smyth.net wrote:

Lol. An actual thread.

Anyone know what Dust Science are up to these days?

And maybe warp for Jack Peoples and Convextion's Lp on CD.

Fingers crossed xxx Pretty please?

C

On 2017-08-18 18:16, Cole Evelev wrote:

Sorry about that. This is who I was referencing.

https://www.discogs.com/Powder-H/release/9983256

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 18, 2017, at 1:14 PM, Matthew Kane 

Re: Dust Science

[313]

No really. My car only has a CD player. It is a Toyota.

JIT

C

On 2017-08-18 19:06, 3...@coke-smyth.net wrote:

Lol. An actual thread.

Anyone know what Dust Science are up to these days?

And maybe warp for Jack Peoples and Convextion's Lp on CD.

Fingers crossed xxx Pretty please?

C

On 2017-08-18 18:16, Cole Evelev wrote:

Sorry about that. This is who I was referencing.

https://www.discogs.com/Powder-H/release/9983256

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 18, 2017, at 1:14 PM, Matthew Kane 

Re: Dust Science

[313]

Lol. An actual thread.

Anyone know what Dust Science are up to these days?

And maybe warp for Jack Peoples and Convextion's Lp on CD.

Fingers crossed xxx Pretty please?

C

On 2017-08-18 18:16, Cole Evelev wrote:

Sorry about that. This is who I was referencing.

https://www.discogs.com/Powder-H/release/9983256

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 18, 2017, at 1:14 PM, Matthew Kane 

Re: Female Producers

[Cole Evelev]

Sorry about that. This is who I was referencing. 

https://www.discogs.com/Powder-H/release/9983256

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 18, 2017, at 1:14 PM, Matthew Kane  wrote:
> 
> Not to mention how many Powders there are :\
> 
>> On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 1:07 PM, kent williams  
>> wrote:
>> Did anyone mention Erika Sherman of Ectomorph, and ... Erika?
>> 
>> Incidentally there are 2 other Erikas on Spotify
>> 
>> On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 12:04 PM kent williams 
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> What's up with Americhord? Is she going to make more records?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 2:40 PM Aidan O'Doherty
>>>  wrote:
 
 https://www.discogs.com/artist/26587-Americhord
 
 
 
> On 17 Aug 2017 20:38, wrote:
> 
> Gonna throw in Americhord.
> 
> On 17 Aug 2017 20:25, "Marsel van der Wielen" 
> wrote:
>> 
>> was Karen Gwyer already mentioned
>> 
>> 
>> Op 17-Aug-17 om 20:54 schreef Suzanne Heinrichs:
>> 
>> Laurel Halo (and not 313 but Nadia Struiwigh -- love the latest on
>> CPU). Also +1 for Aurora Halal.
>> 
>> Suzanne
>> 
>>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 11:44 AM, <3...@coke-smyth.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yes, I have DJ Shiva on the mp3 drive.
>>> 
>>> B-)
>>> 
>>> Prefer Claude Young tho!
>>> 
>>> C
>>> 
>>> 
 On 2017-08-17 14:48, DJ Shiva wrote:
 
 Ana Kristenson, Avalon Emerson, Aurora Halal, Paula Temple, Esther
 Duijn, Umfang, Eris Drew (more house, but fantastic DJ & live act),
 Octo Octa, CL aka Ciel, Steffi, Rroxymore, Ellen Alien, CMD, Doc
 Sleep, Experimental Housewife, oh and myself (DJ Shiva/
 Noncompliant).
 
 
 Those are the ones I can think of off the top of my head.
 
 Lisa
 http://www.noncompliantmusic.com
 http://www.soundcloud.com/djshiva
 
 "Another world is not only possible, she is on her way. On a quiet
 day, I can hear her breathing." - Arundhati Roy
> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 5:38 AM, <3...@coke-smyth.net> wrote:
> 
> Cooly G
> DJ Genesis
> Jenifa Mananja
> 
> Anyone else to be scoping...?
> 
> cheers
> 
> C
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> matt kane's brain
> im: mkb.dirty...@gmail.com (gtalk) / mkbatwerk (AIM)
> twitter: the_real_mkb / nynexrepublic
> http://hydrogenproject.com

Re: Female Producers

[Matthew Kane]

Not to mention how many Powders there are :\

On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 1:07 PM, kent williams  wrote:
> Did anyone mention Erika Sherman of Ectomorph, and ... Erika?
>
> Incidentally there are 2 other Erikas on Spotify
>
> On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 12:04 PM kent williams 
> wrote:
>>
>> What's up with Americhord? Is she going to make more records?
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 2:40 PM Aidan O'Doherty
>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> https://www.discogs.com/artist/26587-Americhord
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 17 Aug 2017 20:38, wrote:

 Gonna throw in Americhord.

 On 17 Aug 2017 20:25, "Marsel van der Wielen" 
 wrote:
>
> was Karen Gwyer already mentioned
>
>
> Op 17-Aug-17 om 20:54 schreef Suzanne Heinrichs:
>
> Laurel Halo (and not 313 but Nadia Struiwigh -- love the latest on
> CPU). Also +1 for Aurora Halal.
>
> Suzanne
>
> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 11:44 AM, <3...@coke-smyth.net> wrote:
>>
>> Yes, I have DJ Shiva on the mp3 drive.
>>
>> B-)
>>
>> Prefer Claude Young tho!
>>
>> C
>>
>>
>> On 2017-08-17 14:48, DJ Shiva wrote:
>>>
>>> Ana Kristenson, Avalon Emerson, Aurora Halal, Paula Temple, Esther
>>> Duijn, Umfang, Eris Drew (more house, but fantastic DJ & live act),
>>> Octo Octa, CL aka Ciel, Steffi, Rroxymore, Ellen Alien, CMD, Doc
>>> Sleep, Experimental Housewife, oh and myself (DJ Shiva/
>>> Noncompliant).
>>>
>>>
>>> Those are the ones I can think of off the top of my head.
>>>
>>> Lisa
>>> http://www.noncompliantmusic.com
>>> http://www.soundcloud.com/djshiva
>>> 
>>> "Another world is not only possible, she is on her way. On a quiet
>>> day, I can hear her breathing." - Arundhati Roy
>>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 5:38 AM, <3...@coke-smyth.net> wrote:
>>>
 Cooly G
 DJ Genesis
 Jenifa Mananja

 Anyone else to be scoping...?

 cheers

 C
>>
>>
>
>
>



-- 
matt kane's brain
im: mkb.dirty...@gmail.com (gtalk) / mkbatwerk (AIM)
twitter: the_real_mkb / nynexrepublic
http://hydrogenproject.com

Re: Female Producers

[kent williams]

Did anyone mention Erika Sherman of Ectomorph, and ... Erika?

Incidentally there are 2 other Erikas on Spotify

On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 12:04 PM kent williams 
wrote:

> What's up with Americhord? Is she going to make more records?
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 2:40 PM Aidan O'Doherty <
> aidan.b.odohe...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> https://www.discogs.com/artist/26587-Americhord
>>
>>
>>
>> On 17 Aug 2017 20:38, wrote:
>>
>>> Gonna throw in Americhord.
>>>
>>> On 17 Aug 2017 20:25, "Marsel van der Wielen" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 was Karen Gwyer already mentioned

 Op 17-Aug-17 om 20:54 schreef Suzanne Heinrichs:

 Laurel Halo (and not 313 but Nadia Struiwigh -- love the latest on
 CPU). Also +1 for Aurora Halal.

 Suzanne

 On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 11:44 AM, <3...@coke-smyth.net> wrote:

> Yes, I have DJ Shiva on the mp3 drive.
>
> B-)
>
> Prefer Claude Young tho!
>
> C
>
>
> On 2017-08-17 14:48, DJ Shiva wrote:
>
>> Ana Kristenson, Avalon Emerson, Aurora Halal, Paula Temple, Esther
>> Duijn, Umfang, Eris Drew (more house, but fantastic DJ & live act),
>> Octo Octa, CL aka Ciel, Steffi, Rroxymore, Ellen Alien, CMD, Doc
>> Sleep, Experimental Housewife, oh and myself (DJ Shiva/ Noncompliant).
>>
>>
>> Those are the ones I can think of off the top of my head.
>>
>> Lisa
>> http://www.noncompliantmusic.com
>> http://www.soundcloud.com/djshiva
>> 
>> "Another world is not only possible, she is on her way. On a quiet
>> day, I can hear her breathing." - Arundhati Roy
>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 5:38 AM, <3...@coke-smyth.net> wrote:
>>
>> Cooly G
>>> DJ Genesis
>>> Jenifa Mananja
>>>
>>> Anyone else to be scoping...?
>>>
>>> cheers
>>>
>>> C
>>>
>>
>

Re: Female Producers

[kent williams]

What's up with Americhord? Is she going to make more records?

On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 2:40 PM Aidan O'Doherty 
wrote:

> https://www.discogs.com/artist/26587-Americhord
>
>
>
> On 17 Aug 2017 20:38, wrote:
>
>> Gonna throw in Americhord.
>>
>> On 17 Aug 2017 20:25, "Marsel van der Wielen" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> was Karen Gwyer already mentioned
>>>
>>> Op 17-Aug-17 om 20:54 schreef Suzanne Heinrichs:
>>>
>>> Laurel Halo (and not 313 but Nadia Struiwigh -- love the latest on CPU).
>>> Also +1 for Aurora Halal.
>>>
>>> Suzanne
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 11:44 AM, <3...@coke-smyth.net> wrote:
>>>
 Yes, I have DJ Shiva on the mp3 drive.

 B-)

 Prefer Claude Young tho!

 C


 On 2017-08-17 14:48, DJ Shiva wrote:

> Ana Kristenson, Avalon Emerson, Aurora Halal, Paula Temple, Esther
> Duijn, Umfang, Eris Drew (more house, but fantastic DJ & live act),
> Octo Octa, CL aka Ciel, Steffi, Rroxymore, Ellen Alien, CMD, Doc
> Sleep, Experimental Housewife, oh and myself (DJ Shiva/ Noncompliant).
>
>
> Those are the ones I can think of off the top of my head.
>
> Lisa
> http://www.noncompliantmusic.com
> http://www.soundcloud.com/djshiva
> 
> "Another world is not only possible, she is on her way. On a quiet
> day, I can hear her breathing." - Arundhati Roy
> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 5:38 AM, <3...@coke-smyth.net> wrote:
>
> Cooly G
>> DJ Genesis
>> Jenifa Mananja
>>
>> Anyone else to be scoping...?
>>
>> cheers
>>
>> C
>>
>

>>>
>>>

Re: Female Producers

[jwan allen]

Rebecca Goldberg

Electric indigo

On Aug 18, 2017 11:13 AM, "Kevin Kennedy"  wrote:

> None of the producers I mentioned are Detroit based,  but all are American
> and quite good at their craft.
>
> On Aug 18, 2017 11:09 AM, "Joe Marougi"  wrote:
>
>> 313 producers only?
>>
>> If not, Peggy Gou and Cinthie Crystal.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 8:02 AM Kevin Kennedy  wrote:
>>
>>> Patricia Wolf,  formerly of the group Soft Metals... Also Noncompliant,
>>>  aka Lisa Smith... And also Dr. Melissa Sleep...
>>>
>>> On Aug 18, 2017 5:37 AM, "Marsel van der Wielen" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> no, that's a boy
>>>
>>> :-)
>>>
>>>
>>> Op 18-Aug-17 om 10:43 schreef 3...@coke-smyth.net:
>>>
>>> Can I also add Fatima Yamaha?

 C

 On 2017-08-17 20:55, kent williams wrote:

> Karen Gwyer! Laurel Halo.
>
> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 2:50 PM kent williams 
> wrote:
>
> Jana Rush
>> JLin
>> Annika Winkler
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 4:38 AM <3...@coke-smyth.net> wrote:
>>
>> Cooly G
>>> DJ Genesis
>>> Jenifa Mananja
>>>
>>> Anyone else to be scoping...?
>>>
>>> cheers
>>>
>>> C
>>>
>>

>>>
>>>

Re: Female Producers

[Kevin Kennedy]

None of the producers I mentioned are Detroit based,  but all are American
and quite good at their craft.

On Aug 18, 2017 11:09 AM, "Joe Marougi"  wrote:

> 313 producers only?
>
> If not, Peggy Gou and Cinthie Crystal.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 8:02 AM Kevin Kennedy  wrote:
>
>> Patricia Wolf,  formerly of the group Soft Metals... Also Noncompliant,
>>  aka Lisa Smith... And also Dr. Melissa Sleep...
>>
>> On Aug 18, 2017 5:37 AM, "Marsel van der Wielen" 
>> wrote:
>>
>> no, that's a boy
>>
>> :-)
>>
>>
>> Op 18-Aug-17 om 10:43 schreef 3...@coke-smyth.net:
>>
>> Can I also add Fatima Yamaha?
>>>
>>> C
>>>
>>> On 2017-08-17 20:55, kent williams wrote:
>>>
 Karen Gwyer! Laurel Halo.

 On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 2:50 PM kent williams 
 wrote:

 Jana Rush
> JLin
> Annika Winkler
>
> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 4:38 AM <3...@coke-smyth.net> wrote:
>
> Cooly G
>> DJ Genesis
>> Jenifa Mananja
>>
>> Anyone else to be scoping...?
>>
>> cheers
>>
>> C
>>
>
>>>
>>
>>

Re: Female Producers

[Joe Marougi]

313 producers only?

If not, Peggy Gou and Cinthie Crystal.



On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 8:02 AM Kevin Kennedy  wrote:

> Patricia Wolf,  formerly of the group Soft Metals... Also Noncompliant,
>  aka Lisa Smith... And also Dr. Melissa Sleep...
>
> On Aug 18, 2017 5:37 AM, "Marsel van der Wielen" 
> wrote:
>
> no, that's a boy
>
> :-)
>
>
> Op 18-Aug-17 om 10:43 schreef 3...@coke-smyth.net:
>
> Can I also add Fatima Yamaha?
>>
>> C
>>
>> On 2017-08-17 20:55, kent williams wrote:
>>
>>> Karen Gwyer! Laurel Halo.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 2:50 PM kent williams 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Jana Rush
 JLin
 Annika Winkler

 On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 4:38 AM <3...@coke-smyth.net> wrote:

 Cooly G
> DJ Genesis
> Jenifa Mananja
>
> Anyone else to be scoping...?
>
> cheers
>
> C
>

>>
>
>

Re: Female Producers

[Kevin Kennedy]

Patricia Wolf,  formerly of the group Soft Metals... Also Noncompliant,
 aka Lisa Smith... And also Dr. Melissa Sleep...

On Aug 18, 2017 5:37 AM, "Marsel van der Wielen" 
wrote:

no, that's a boy

:-)


Op 18-Aug-17 om 10:43 schreef 3...@coke-smyth.net:

Can I also add Fatima Yamaha?
>
> C
>
> On 2017-08-17 20:55, kent williams wrote:
>
>> Karen Gwyer! Laurel Halo.
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 2:50 PM kent williams 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Jana Rush
>>> JLin
>>> Annika Winkler
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 4:38 AM <3...@coke-smyth.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Cooly G
 DJ Genesis
 Jenifa Mananja

 Anyone else to be scoping...?

 cheers

 C

>>>
>

Re: Female Producers

[Marsel van der Wielen]

no, that's a boy

:-)


Op 18-Aug-17 om 10:43 schreef 3...@coke-smyth.net:

Can I also add Fatima Yamaha?

C

On 2017-08-17 20:55, kent williams wrote:

Karen Gwyer! Laurel Halo.

On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 2:50 PM kent williams 
wrote:


Jana Rush
JLin
Annika Winkler

On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 4:38 AM <3...@coke-smyth.net> wrote:


Cooly G
DJ Genesis
Jenifa Mananja

Anyone else to be scoping...?

cheers

C

Re: Female Producers

[313]

Can I also add Fatima Yamaha?

C

On 2017-08-17 20:55, kent williams wrote:

Karen Gwyer! Laurel Halo.

On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 2:50 PM kent williams 
wrote:


Jana Rush
JLin
Annika Winkler

On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 4:38 AM <3...@coke-smyth.net> wrote:


Cooly G
DJ Genesis
Jenifa Mananja

Anyone else to be scoping...?

cheers

C

Re: Detroit

[313]

And while we are on the subject of top trumps.

https://www.discogs.com/Hieroglyphic-Being-Presents-Analogous-Doom-Living-In-A-Zome-EP/release/1441664

:-D

roflmao

Ahem.

C

On 2017-08-17 18:58, 3...@coke-smyth.net wrote:

Ok cool. As long as its not like the second American Civil War or
somethin'. Let alone www3.

keep it peace. keep it Navaho. hold it down

C

On 2017-08-17 10:49, Benn Glazier wrote:

We’re all doing our best to block out Trump. So with that in mind…

Certainly 313 related; Porter Rick (so we’re just in scope) and
their new album on Tresor - “Anguilla Electrica” is worth a
listen, been on high rotation here over the past few weeks. Also on
Tresor was a mix CD by DJ Stingray. One hell of a mix, at a time when
mixes seem nothing more than a commodity, this one is bringing life
back into the genre.


BENN GLAZIER
WWW.BENNGLAZIER.COM
@BENNGLAZIER
+44 (0) 7714 300018

From: 3...@coke-smyth.net <3...@coke-smyth.net>
Reply: 3...@coke-smyth.net <3...@coke-smyth.net>
Date: 17 August 2017 at 10:40:26
To: 313@hyperreal.org <313@hyperreal.org>
Subject:  Detroit


What up Detroit?

There is some Trump news on in the Uk atm - New York/ Detroit?

Any info? Anyone peepin out there

cheers

C