RE: (313) Low Aifare to Detroit from London

2007-01-06 Thread Ralf Gill \(healthAlliance\)

Is this a one off?
http://youtube.com/watch?v=hgxiQIDq6zomode=relatedsearch=

pretty amazing for an airport...

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From: Toby Frith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, 6 January 2007 2:03 a.m.
To: Svagr, Jodie; Ronny Pries; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) Low Aifare to Detroit from London

In time for Convextion in London...  ;)



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Sent: 05 January 2007 13:00
To: Ronny Pries; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: (313) Low Aifare to Detroit from London


Hey everyone, got this email through from NorthWest airlines.  Travel
between Detroit and London is $189 right now. Have to book by the 9th
and travel by March 12th tho.  Still a good price tho if anyone's
planning a trip.

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RE: (313) Mr. Watson

2006-12-06 Thread Ralf Gill \(healthAlliance\)

Loving the flutes, some bird song'd be special!

-Original Message-
From: J.T. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, 6 December 2006 1:09 p.m.
To: Martin Dust; Thomas D. Cox,Jr.; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: (313) Mr. Watson

i like the sound of the rendezvous track, not super special, but lovely
and big...the renaissance track has a bit of a trancey  new age feeling
to it, not for me...


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From: Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Dec 5, 2006 7:04 PM
To: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: (313) Mr. Watson

Really? The clips are a tad too short for the full vibe but this is
like
pure sunshine Tom. Some of his best work I feel. It's getting loads of
repeat play at Dust Towers...

m

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 Sound Clips:
 http://mp3.juno.co.uk/MP3/SF247654-01-01-01.mp3
 http://mp3.juno.co.uk/MP3/SF247654-01-02-01.mp3

 im just not feeling this one. first planet e in years that i wont be
 picking up (i think the last one before this was the remixes of todd
 sines' 12 back in 02.

 tom







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(313) RE: [SPAM] Re: (313) Best Synth riffs

2006-11-28 Thread Ralf Gill \(healthAlliance\)

Could never get The Pied Piper: Kinetic out of my head...or R-Theme...

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Sent: Wednesday, 29 November 2006 3:46 a.m.
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Subject: [SPAM] Re: (313) Best Detroit Synth riffs

Groove La Chord by Aril Brikha. The main synth on this tune could very
easily played as rocking guitar riff and for me works with a similar
kind of energy.

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RE: (313) ron murphy

2006-09-21 Thread Ralf Gill \(healthAlliance\)

Do you know what he means by modulates upwards?

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Sent: Friday, 22 September 2006 2:24 a.m.
To: list 313
Subject: Re: (313) ron murphy

Maybe I'm misremembering, but isn't there a picture of Ron and some
metal mothers upstairs at Submerge?

What I always wondered -- does Mike Banks ever sneak in to the museum
at night and borrow the 909? Or are all the beatboxes in the museum
knackered?

A drum machine is a terrible thing to waste, after all...

On 9/21/06, Lee Herrington [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 If this cat's work doesn't get exhibit space at some music hall of
fame,
 it'll be a [EMAIL PROTECTED] shame.  What a craftsman.  Great podcast!

 Cheers,

 Lee R. Herrington
 U STORE IT
 Technical Support Engineer

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RE: (313) Laptop Debate

2006-09-04 Thread Ralf Gill \(healthAlliance\)

This was from discogs...  Even if DeGeorgio recognizes that he resorted
to a unique sequencer, the Neutron, to reproduce the modal variations
characterizing his musical inspirations 

...i guess he'd have trouble making his music on a laptop then?

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Sent: Monday, 4 September 2006 10:04 p.m.
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) Laptop Debate

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Sent: 04 September 2006 10:14
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: (313) Laptop Debate

Yeah i can remember seeing a gearlist in some article and it is 
definitely a gearjunkies wetdream, oh and he has this:

http://www.kirkdegiorgio.com/ModcanB.htm

Now this reminds me of something I've thought for a while ...

I like Kirk a lot - he's the same age as me so he must be a good egg (!)
Plus he's one of the people I challenge myself with to see if he's ever
made a bad record. I certainly don't own any duffers by him. Problem is
- despite the fact that my record collection is peppered with his
releases from year dot, I'm not sure I can hear the spell-binding
difference in the sounds he comes up with, with that rig and the sounds
that it's possible to get from a mid-range analog/digital synth. I just
can't. I still like the last 3 LPs though, so don't get me wrong, but I
just think he could have saved himself some money or something! Just mo.

Having said that, it does illustrate that this software vs. hardware
debate currently raging is not really a 'new paradigm' problem. The same
debates could be heard between advocates and detractors of acoustic vs.
amplified, synths vs. guitars, and naturally, modular versus stand-alone
(or whatever they're called.)

So long as you know that such debates are usually futile, I guess they
can be fun and instructive.

K

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RE: (313) Laptop Debate

2006-09-04 Thread Ralf Gill \(healthAlliance\)

Ignore that, the neutron is a plug in...i thought it was an outboard
step sequencer...

-Original Message-
From: Ralf Gill (healthAlliance) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Sent: Tuesday, 5 September 2006 5:07 a.m.
To: Odeluga, Ken; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) Laptop Debate


This was from discogs...  Even if DeGeorgio recognizes that he resorted
to a unique sequencer, the Neutron, to reproduce the modal variations
characterizing his musical inspirations 

...i guess he'd have trouble making his music on a laptop then?

-Original Message-
From: Odeluga, Ken [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Sent: Monday, 4 September 2006 10:04 p.m.
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) Laptop Debate

-Original Message-
From: Klaas-Jan Jongsma [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Sent: 04 September 2006 10:14
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: (313) Laptop Debate

Yeah i can remember seeing a gearlist in some article and it is

definitely a gearjunkies wetdream, oh and he has this:

http://www.kirkdegiorgio.com/ModcanB.htm

Now this reminds me of something I've thought for a while ...

I like Kirk a lot - he's the same age as me so he must be a good egg (!)
Plus he's one of the people I challenge myself with to see if he's ever
made a bad record. I certainly don't own any duffers by him. Problem is
- despite the fact that my record collection is peppered with his
releases from year dot, I'm not sure I can hear the spell-binding
difference in the sounds he comes up with, with that rig and the sounds
that it's possible to get from a mid-range analog/digital synth. I just
can't. I still like the last 3 LPs though, so don't get me wrong, but I
just think he could have saved himself some money or something! Just mo.

Having said that, it does illustrate that this software vs. hardware
debate currently raging is not really a 'new paradigm' problem. The same
debates could be heard between advocates and detractors of acoustic vs.
amplified, synths vs. guitars, and naturally, modular versus stand-alone
(or whatever they're called.)

So long as you know that such debates are usually futile, I guess they
can be fun and instructive.

K

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RE: (313) The Laptop Debate - the imitation of sound

2006-09-03 Thread Ralf Gill \(healthAlliance\)

I'm confused now. Can someone summarise or conclude this thread for me.
Is analogue better than digital or vice versa???

-Original Message-
From: Brian Prince [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, 4 September 2006 6:35 a.m.
To: kent williams
Cc: list 313
Subject: Re: (313) The Laptop Debate - the imitation of sound

kent williams wrote:

 Honestly, what matters besides the actual compositions?  I'm enough of
 a studio rat to care about things are produced, but the actual method
 that someone uses is irrelevant, except as it facilitates the result.
 It's not like you can't make sh*t tracks with analog gear.

Self-appointed golden ears dismiss feeling and creativity, because
anyone can appreciate those qualities in music (though not always at
first
blush, since some tastes are acquired), whereas it takes a genuine
superior class of lonely douche to prioritize the production pipeline in
their evaluation of a record.

see also: missing the point of art

- bp

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RE: (313) The Laptop Debate.

2006-09-02 Thread Ralf Gill \(healthAlliance\)

Is it an analogue or a digital laptop?

-Original Message-
From: kent williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, 2 September 2006 1:30 p.m.
To: list 313
Subject: (313) The Laptop Debate.

Not to stir the pot, but I've been practicing making tracks with a
computer for 12 years.  In that time I've come up with 3 tracks I felt


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RE: (313) Digital Downloads

2006-08-19 Thread Ralf Gill \(healthAlliance\)


Probably been said a million times, but mp3's are more like records than
cd's because you can get straight to the bit of the music you want to
hear...ie dance with your right hand...or left if you are left handed
(which 96% of the submerge guys are...Detroit would be a wealthy city if
it was off the right hand turnoff past New York rather than the left)

Anyway...when is Larry seen not heard going to do some electro...that'd
be real nice...



-Original Message-
From: v12 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, 19 August 2006 06:56
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: (313) Digital Downloads

ive heard a lot of those 320 kbps from various sources and decided i
wont
ever spend a cent on mp3/ogg etc .
none of the files sounded better than the 192s i made myself.
if it's wav / cd-r sure ,ok.  but those commercial mps3 are still sort
of
a joke.
often hammered with some funny loudness maximizing limiters the traks
lose
at least 50% of its dynamics. (often turning into a punk-rock remix of
a
techno trak)

honestly i'd rather get an illegal file and send 5 $ directly to the
artist.
sad thing is - 95% of stuff i got this year is by ..drexciya ;/

/12



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RE: (313) a question regarding DEMF and the history of Detroit techno

2006-05-18 Thread Ralf Gill \(healthAlliance\)

Probably a dumb question, but the guys that play later time slots, close
the night etc...do they get paid more money?
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From: Stoddard, Kamal [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, 19 May 2006 3:14 a.m.
To: disrupt; Thomas D. Cox, Jr.
Cc: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) a question regarding DEMF and the history of Detroit
techno

I agree that influences are ubiquitous. The question here is about the
weighting of importance. Using your own analogy, even though all the
early guys have basically admitted to trying to imitate italo trax when
coming up with the detroit techno sound I would find it just as odd to
see the Rome Italo Fest(hypothetical event, don't pm me asking when it
takes place :) headlined by cybotron while the originators of the italo
sound pushed to play at noon. Even though they definitely took the italo
sound and helped it grow into something more. I really would think it
odd. Same thing here. Nobody's arguing for the exclusion of detoit
influenced artists who are relevant to the sound we love, but the
argument is that first priority should be given to the originators, then
the hometown sound pushers, then the out of town sound pushers, and
LASTLY the filler sideshow acts (breakcore, trance acts, etc). even
though I know some feel that it has absolutely no place at the fest, I'd
put money down that it wouldn't be much of an issue if they were all
given the early slots and the respect chain was obvious. Now for all I
know, paxahaus may have all the respect in the world for the real D
(hell, rob hood anyone?) but I'm saying it's not as obvious as it should
be in the lineup. A simple case of them not putting the money where
their mouth is (in the hands of Detroit techno). I mean correct me if
I'm wrong, but does anyone here think that POTD and the rest are really
relevant to Detroit?

k

-Original Message-
From: disrupt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 10:15 AM
To: Thomas D. Cox, Jr.
Cc: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: (313) a question regarding DEMF and the history of Detroit
techno

Yes Tom!

Highly interesting discussion, with all its ups and downs, ultimately
about
the state of Detroit today.

Maybe a new line of thought on this: for sure Detroit music influenced
many
people around the globe, many ripped it off, some took it and went
forward
(like the Dutch crew, Berlin, etc.), the whole plus and minus of it
revealed
itself over the last years.  

BUT: didn't Detroit music got influenced by other music as well over the
time? Sucking those influences in, processing and using them in it's
unique
way? For sure it didn't 100% generate from Zero and from itself only.
It's
not a closed-in microcosm, completely sealed off from the world.

So: shouldn't this fact be reflected in the DEMF lineup somehow? Detroit
certainly gave a lot but I think it also 'took', works both channels.
What
can be discussed, of course, are the porportions of this give/take share
and
how it ultimately is weighed in the lineup.

Anyway, keep it going. Such thoughts have to be processed.

Jan


On Thu, 18 May 2006 08:22:54 -0400, Thomas D. Cox, Jr.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote :

 On 5/17/06, as if .. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Tom ..  for starters I like you passion ..  '

 thanks ;)

  You are suggesting that the only people who can call their Techno
Detroit Techno
  are people who are born and raised in Detroit.

 ummm, that is a bit obvious, right? i mean i guess you dont
 necessarily have to have lived every second of your life in detroit to
 qualify, but certainly a long term connection with the city and its
 culture should be a requirement. say techno artist X moves to detroit,
 his music is not now detroit techno, thats for sure. in fact, to me
 someone like 4 Hero has more to do with detroit techno than someone
 like the Beretta music people.

  In a commercial sense you are probably following a clean line of
thought. On a
  personal level I see you trying to protect the energy and truth of
the
early Detroit
  Techno.  I see you also trying to protect the interests of local
Detroit
Artists.

 for me its not only about techno though, its about house and electro
 and ghetto tech and even soul and hiphop. anything that has a
 distinctly detroit flavour that is recognizable! every one of those
 genres that has a sound associated with detroit has been ripped off by
 and also influenced people outside of detroit.

  These are all valid things to do.  However in order to protect these
things you will
  need to essentially crush what is Detroit Techno into a can cover
it
in a series of
  warning labels and putting it on a special shelf for everyone to
purchase.

 i dont necessarily think that is true. the good thing about something
 as generic as detroit music is ever changing, and will grow to
 include different genres and different ideas. but it certainly doesnt
 need to include every single style of music made in detroit. detroit
 is a large city, im sure theres 

RE: (313) Techno on the otherside .. NZ

2006-04-26 Thread Ralf Gill \(healthAlliance\)

Depends if you're inside or outside though mate. If you're inside you
can't compete with Auckland weather...

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From: fab. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, 27 April 2006 2:21 a.m.
To: 313@hyperreal.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: (313) Techno on the otherside .. NZ

LOL

but perth has by far better weather ;)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 4:18 PM
Subject: Re: (313) Techno on the otherside .. NZ






 So DEMF and Perth have something in common this year - not many
Detroit
 artists playing

 ;-)

 MEK

 Michael Bramwell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 04/25/2006 09:07:32
PM:

 Nice post Simon. Here in Perth West Australia the last times I went
out
 to
 see a good international DJ play was Mills around 2001, Alton Miller
in
 2002
 and Theo Parrish in 2003. Other good people have come to play; just
in
 the
 form of expensive 'festivals' where 95% of the line up is a complete
 waste
 of money. I have missed a few good Detroit, Chigaco and Compost label
 artists but I could count them on one hand.

 My first post to this list, hello all.

 Michael B.

 - Original Message -
 From: Simon Kong [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: 313@hyperreal.org
 Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 7:58 AM
 Subject: (313) Techno on the otherside .. NZ


 
 This post is for everyone having a cry baby about DEMF
 
 ..
 
  Stacey Pullen came to play in Wellington NZ the other week.
 
  By some sheer accident I ended up making a one way 16 hour
  road trip to see him play, and a flight home at 8am.
 
  A good friend also flew in from Sydney for the occasion so
  it was really cool to be connected by Techno.
 
  Mostly I just wanted to say to the list that in some places in
  the world we rarely get to hear Techno.  New Zealand has had
  three US producers visit in the last two years.
 
  You may recall me writing in about Carl Craig last year.
 
  I go bug for Techno especially Detroit styles. It is the only
music
  that makes me dance like Sven hugs or no hugs.  It's the only
  music that motivates me to dance at all these days.
 
  Stacey was just brilliant, and I don't care for the politics.
 
  He got on the decks at 2am and was still playing when I had to
get
  to the airport at 7am.  It was a sonic inspiration for me ..
and
 was
  twice as cool cause the dance floor was full .. unlike Carl
Craig.
 wah.
 
  While I can understand the frustrations of the DEMF line up ..
I
 think
  you need to look at the greater context of what the scene is
able
 to
  support.
 
  New Zealand has small population, and so a very small Techno
scene.
 
  Our ability to foster our own scene, let alone have events or
 festivals
  that feature Techno artists is very very limited.
 
  On a global scale Techno is still a very underground sound.
Over
 here
  where I am sitting . the DEMF does heaps to put Techno on the
Map.
 
  Locally .. I would probably be upset as well.  However the
 opportunity
  still remains to use the focus on the DEMF to raise the
awareness
 of
  the 313 sound  .. and it's affiliations.
 
  I think the Line up is that evil balance between commercial and
 true.
 
  However on any given day it's a line up I would very much like
to
 see,
 and
  from a global perspective I think its a very interesting
 representation of
  how far the influences of Detroit music have traveled.
 
  I think Detroit heads have a lot of heritage to be proud of,
and
 while
 there
  is obviously a strong local scene that is looking for
 representation.
 I think
  you have to appreciate that due to the musical foundations of
 Detroit
  many people from around the world now share in the positive
 influence.
 
  Somehow in the face of all the commercial dance scenes around
the
 world
  Techno has managed to hold onto it's integrity.  The artists
listed
 are by no
  means heavy hitters in the commercial dance scene.  They are a
 fairly
 gritty
  bunch of left field innovators of electronic sounds.
 
  For all the people that stand in Hart Plaza .. there are as
many
 people all
  around the world who bring their attention to the goings on in
 Detroit.
 
  Promotion is the evil brother of Appreciation, and by all
accounts
 the
 DEMF
  has been a constant battle from day one.
 
  I just want to send love and respect to the Festival and remind
 everyone
  having issues with the event, that some of us are still
struggling
 to
 hear
  any sort of Techno once a year.
 
  DEMF does bring global attention.  We are listening out here on
the
 edge.
 
  .simon
 
 
 
 





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RE: (313) clark boot?

2006-01-20 Thread Ralf Gill \(healthAlliance\)

I got the double pack for about 10 euro's about 3 months ago...sounds a bit 
90's, well I mean I dunno if it's dated that well...anyone want to sell a copy 
of that noosa heads track though I'd be keen...

-Original Message-
From: J.T. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, 21 January 2006 3:25 a.m.
To: Tristan Watkins; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; '313'
Subject: Re: (313) clark boot?

some guy on discogs just gave me 60eu for mine, and in my broke state i 
accepted...already regret, i really treasure it, but i'll hold it in my arms 
again...of course the music is the thing and i wav'd it before i sent it 
away...but argh...

-Original Message-
From: Tristan Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Jan 20, 2006 6:13 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], '313' 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: (313) clark boot?

Prolly close to �15 most times, and not that often, but I haven't seen any
really stupid prices for it. I could have missed those auctions though, as I
don't really eBay. I think it's a fairly slept-on record. I can probably
count on one hand the number of people I've heard play it out.

Tristan
===
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.phonopsia.co.uk


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: '313' 313@hyperreal.org
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 10:01 AM
Subject: RE: (313) clark boot?


 Ditto everyone else's comments (that's how mine looks however I don't
 think
 there's much wrong with the mix/pressing).
 Only goes for a tenner?  D*mn, I thought that'd be worth money, there's no
 sense to these things, I occasionally find something I have and had no
 thought would be valuable is whereas something like this is freely
 available?




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(313) cheap 909

2006-01-03 Thread Ralf Gill \(healthAlliance\)

http://www.trademe.co.nz/structure/0343-0892-0426-0683-/auction-44204787
.htm

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RE: (313) Techno Films

2004-08-15 Thread Ralf Gill \(healthAlliance\)





 I guess hip-hop types have Star Wars but 

Was this a joke? I've just woken up...

What about TRON, ZARDOZ and THX1138




RE: Re: (313) Fake Los Hermanos record?

2004-07-29 Thread Ralf Gill \(healthAlliance\)
http://www.webspawner.com/users/stinson01/

better than the real thing...

-Original Message-
From: Sean Creen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, 29 July 2004 9:22 a.m.
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; kj at technotourist dot org
Cc: Sean Creen; 313 Mailinglist List
Subject: Re: Re: (313) Fake Los Hermanos record?

  There is also an IDM artist called Donna Summer :)
 
 That;s a more concious, satirical type thing.

As far as I know, he's been forced to stop using the name now anyway.





RE: (313) white girls

2004-06-09 Thread Ralf Gill \(healthAlliance\)
No one gets anywhere being bitter, and poking fun at 'fair game(see
below)' for whatever reason is just tired and reactionary.
I love white girls...especially my mum.

-Original Message-
From: Kent williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, 9 June 2004 4:48 a.m.
To: 313 list
Subject: RE: (313) white girls

It's a meme they're trying to establish. It means whatever you want it
to mean.

I've always gotten the impression that when it came to ethnic and racial
differences, it's bad cricket to make fun of people of color, or 'white'
people who have been treated badly, like the Italians and Irish. But
affluent white people from America and Europe are fair game.  I'm not
saying that I think anyone should be ridiculed based on a stereotype,
just that making fun of the traditional oppressor groups doesn't sting
as much.

I don't think a booth at Movement selling i'm sick and tired of black
girls
would have been very well received by anyone, black or white.

So perhaps I'm sick and tired of white girls is a critique on
stereotypes and prejudice, presented with some humor. If a white girl
wears it, is she expressing self loathing? If a black or hispanic or
asian girl wears it, is it jealosy? If a black man wears it, is he
saying he's down with sisters exclusively? If a white man wears it does
it mean he's made a sexual fetish of skin color?

On Tue, 8 Jun 2004, Robert Taylor wrote:
 Anyone troubled by this?
 What do they mean by sick and tired of white girls?






(313) black devil disco club

2004-05-04 Thread Ralf Gill \(healthAlliance\)
Is it true about this being found for 20p at a car boot sale? Or was
environ trying to get it licensed and warp muscled their way in? Anyone
know? 




RE: (313) techno renaissance (was dutchie DEMF)

2004-03-31 Thread Ralf Gill \(healthAlliance\)
...and these trend hoppers don't really enjoy the music they listen to, there 
not enjoying it when they go out...mmm..doesn't it feel s good to have 
authentic taste!!!

-Original Message-
From: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, 1 April 2004 7:59 a.m.
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) techno renaissance (was dutchie DEMF)


-- Original Message --
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

so there's now a difference between 'techno fans' and people who 
go to
techno parties? good f**kin' grief.

how hard is it to differentiate between people who trend hop 
(hipsters) and people who are long term fans of a music? these 
things happen, especially in electronic music. 

tom 


andythepooh.com


 
   


RE: (313) techno renaissance (was dutchie DEMF)

2004-03-31 Thread Ralf Gill \(healthAlliance\)
I've seen people wearing copies of that t-shirt...

-Original Message-
From: Ralf Gill (healthAlliance) 
Sent: Thursday, 1 April 2004 8:10 a.m.
To: 'Robert Taylor'
Subject: RE: (313) techno renaissance (was dutchie DEMF)


I've seen people wearing copies of that t-shirt...

-Original Message-
From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, 1 April 2004 9:06 a.m.
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Ralf Gill (healthAlliance)
Cc: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) techno renaissance (was dutchie DEMF)


Maybe we need a 313 t-shirt sporting the logo 'I'm Enjoying Myself More Than 
You Because I'm For Real'

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 8:04 PM
To: Ralf Gill (healthAlliance)
Cc: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) techno renaissance (was dutchie DEMF)


wow- i think you've just achieve an entirely new level of constipation.



On Thu, 1 Apr 2004, Ralf Gill (healthAlliance) wrote:

 ...and these trend hoppers don't really enjoy the music they listen to, there 
 not enjoying it when they go out...mmm..doesn't it feel s good to have 
 authentic taste!!!

 -Original Message-
 From: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, 1 April 2004 7:59 a.m.
 To: 313@hyperreal.org
 Subject: RE: (313) techno renaissance (was dutchie DEMF)


 -- Original Message --
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 so there's now a difference between 'techno fans' and people who
 go to
 techno parties? good f**kin' grief.

 how hard is it to differentiate between people who trend hop
 (hipsters) and people who are long term fans of a music? these
 things happen, especially in electronic music.

 tom

 
 andythepooh.com





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RE: (313) Discogs.com question

2004-03-29 Thread Ralf Gill \(healthAlliance\)
Wondering why would one want to put up a list of all the records in their 
collection if they weren't for sale? Does the person with the best collection 
win something or get receive greater functionality from the website? 

-Original Message-
From: Lee Herrington IV [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, 30 March 2004 4:36 a.m.
To: 313
Subject: RE: (313) Discogs.com question




  i've been solicited on a few occasions.  however, when i have attempted to
negotiate a sale at a price that i am happy with, i have received no
response.  i think some folks just give up on ebay and GEMM and make an
effort at acquiring rare titles from collectors online.

cheers,
lrh

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 10:09 AM
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: (313) Discogs.com question






I've started building my collection on discogs and just got an email from
someone wanting to buy one of my records - is this common?
None of my records on there are for sale, I just use the website as a
back-up to my library database I have at home.

So do people use Discogs alot to sell and trade?

MEK




(313) Can anyone please id this track, small mp3, 100k...???

2004-03-15 Thread Ralf Gill \(healthAlliance\)
http://homepages.whl.co.nz/~ralf/dp.htm
It came from a mix someone posted here last year...anyone know whose mix it 
came from?
Thnaks in advance



(313) Anyone want to get a burger 2moro after work? was (313) 313's Signal to noise ratio

2004-03-08 Thread Ralf Gill \(healthAlliance\)


-Original Message-
From: David Bate [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, 9 March 2004 8:45 a.m.
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: (313) 313's Signal to noise ratio


 correct me if i'm wrong, but most of the noise i'm seeing today is in
 the form of complaints regarding noise.  kind of ironic, right?

Ironic, but that's the way one has to do it, when one is on a self
moderated list.  We can't write to a moderator and have them step in, it's
something
that we have to ourselves.   There's good and bad to a self moderated
list, but it's the way that 313 has been doing it for the last 10 years.


 delete takes a second.  let people say what they want to say.  noise is
 an inherent part of any community, online or real life.

At least for me, maybe I'm slower then some people, but delete's take more
then a second for me. When I'm presented with 50-100 messages and some of
them are good and some of them are bad, you have to go through the bad
ones to find out which are the good ones.  That's why I think Phred
indicated
that he only reads emails from people's who he knows, as most of the time,
people aren't even talking about the subject that is on the subject line,
so you think you're reading about something that you're really not.  I
kind of think of it as lurking SPAM.  Noise is an inherent part of any
community,
I do agree, but we use filters to try to reduce that noise.  The
particular filter on this list is 313, and that's how I have attempted
to reduce
the noise for non 313 stuff. Unfortunately, I don't see very much stuff
about Detroit Techno on this list...  I know many people who have just left
the list and don't want to deal with it. I've been lurking on this list
since just after it started, when I was logging in with my 14.4 baud modem
on my Mac Plus ( I know, I was behind the times, even then!) and the signal
to noise ratio has never been so high as it has in the last year or two.


Also, using the 313 as a chat room, goes against 1 of few rules that we
have on here:

* List members are here for a reason, keep your posts on topic, using 313
as chat room is not permitted.


 and here's my attempt to start a more interesting thread:

 lately i can't get enough of: _ (theo parrish jill scott
 slowly surely)


Remember... please insert DETROIT related artist here ;)




Have a good DETROIT day to you all  ...


Dave


(313) Anthony Rother Presents Electro Commando 1

2004-01-29 Thread Ralf Gill
Does anyone know whose voice that is on studio-in the studio...probably sound 
like a dumb arse, but thats not David Bowie is it?


RE: (313) Trainspotting

2004-01-19 Thread ralf gill
sort of went with the i-spy series of books...man, what a waste of time

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, 19 January 2004 12:40 p.m.
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: (313) Trainspotting







it comes from people who spend their time standing by trainlines watching
trains go past and writing down the train numbers or some other details.
from what i can gather, it's popularity seems confined to the british
isles.
it's become a byword for pointless,  obsessive behaviour.
james
www.jbucknell.com





  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 
  om   To:  313@hyperreal.org   

   cc:  (bcc: James 
Bucknell/ARD/AU/ReadersDigest)  
  18/01/04 11:27   Subject: Re: (313) Trainspotting 

  PM









Where did the term trainspotting come from?
I know there was a film - which I didn't see.
What does it mean?





(313) best downloaded mix 2003 ???

2003-12-29 Thread Ralf Gill
Theres been some cool ones posted here..but one that i probably enjoyed the 
most was the 'echoes and vibes'mp3 from acidmixes.com...
Anyone else?


RE: (313) the funky 808 drummer

2003-12-01 Thread Ralf Gill
Any one here actually ever programmed a 909 or 808 though?

-Original Message-
From: /0 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, 2 December 2003 11:26 AM
To: Michael Mitchell; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: (313) the funky 808 drummer

I'd personally put hawtin above mills Im basing that off live 909
use
though :\

this si a fun thread!

- Original Message - 
From: Michael Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 1:34 PM
Subject: Re: (313) the funky 808 drummer


 Chicago:

 real basic rhythms
 very crucial

 jesse saunders
 vince lawerence
 farley jackmaster funk
 chip e
 k-alexi
 marshall jefferson
 larry heard
 lil louis


 Detroit

 jeff mills
 rob hood
 james pennington
 claude young
 shake
 derrick may
 i love what trackmaster lou does as well
 and richie definatly has had his moments (plasticman anyone??)

 just a few although so many artists in detroit have great drum
 programming, i bet thats why we all love detroit techno so much!!

 michael
 www.renegaderhythms.com









  Reading Iridial's bio on Lee Purkis (InSync) it states:
 
  Lee is one of the greatest Drum Machine programmers that England
has
ever
  produced.
  http://www.irdial.com/people/in_sync.htm
 
  Now I don't really doubt this but I haven't heard enough InSync
tracks
to
  say otherwise (working on that - anyone got any they want to sell?
;) )
 
  but I'd like to ask others - who do you rank up there and *what
tracks*
  are
  your favorite or rank up in the top programmed drums?
 
  MEK
 
 
 
 






RE: (313) Any suggestion for techno music to be used in weddingmarch?

2003-11-10 Thread Ralf Gill

Cyndi Lauper Girls just want to have fun...

-Original Message-
From: FRED giannelli [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, 10 November 2003 11:21 a.m.
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: (313) Any suggestion for techno music to be used in
weddingmarch?


Speaking of which, I have a copy of this I am willing to sell.

telepathic regards,
the kooky scientist

--
TELEPATHICA - P.O.B.80337 - Boston, MA  02180-0010  U.S.A.
CL #  617.905.9619

http://telepathica.com
[EMAIL PROTECTED]



on 11/9/03 4:39 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 Charm Farm: Superstar
 
 Superstar (Majestic 12 Ambient Mix) [Note: Essentially percussionless.] for
 the intro. My brother used this getting married - very nice.
 
 Superstar (Kenny Larkin's House Mix / Kenny Larkin) for the out.
 



(313) test

2003-10-14 Thread Ralf Gill
#


RE: (313) 313 Weekend in London

2003-07-15 Thread Ralf Gill
Specifically Security on Automan 6..when the women speaks its sounds very
tttss, distorted sibilance I think is the phrase used..is this the
record or my setup? Anyone else heard this?

-Original Message-
From: Sakari Karipuro [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, 15 July 2003 10:13 a.m.
To: Ralf Gill
Cc: '313@hyperreal.org'
Subject: RE: (313) 313 Weekend in London


Ralf Gill wrote on Tue, 15 Jul 2003 about following:

 Just wondering whats the average age of an older clubber?

28!

 Also, if hi vocals are hissy/ distorted is that my needle or the record
 damaged? Can you tell by looking at a record if its damaged? and if so
 how...

Could be worn-out record, or worn-out needle; OR just horribly badly 
mastered track, quite common mistake nowadays - just too much 
compression. try with other needle, if the sound is still the same, it's 
either record or mastering; then compare two copies of the record.. 

and you might want to read this too:
http://needleexpress.com/faq.htm


sakke
-- 
Timing must be perfect now.  Two-timing must be better than perfect.
http://www.arabuusimiehet.com/sakke/


RE: (313) 313 Weekend in London

2003-07-14 Thread Ralf Gill
Just wondering whats the average age of an older clubber?
Also, if hi vocals are hissy/ distorted is that my needle or the record
damaged? Can you tell by looking at a record if its damaged? and if so
how...

-Original Message-
From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, 15 July 2003 2:13 a.m.
To: Adam H; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) 313 Weekend in London


Aaaarrgggh! There are lot of people who want to hear more than just
techno when they go out. Many older clubbers (not me, I hasten to add) have
stopped going clubbing cos they have gotten bored of the tyranny of the kick
drum and would be tempted back by a bit of diversity. To cater for that
isn't commercialism, it's common sense - commercial clubs are NOT diverse in
the music policy -  the kids at the moment love kick drums and little else
(hence the popularity of hard house and hard trance).
 Haven't we been here before? Somebody ain't listening or is obtusely
missing the point.

-Original Message-
From: Adam H [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 1:06 PM
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: (313) 313 Weekend in London


People might show and interest in going to techno parties if he didnt 
play techno?

Strange...



On Monday, Jul 14, 2003, at 08:54 America/Detroit, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:


 If you go to a gig and Vogel is playing, you don't expect him to 
 break out
 in gospel house do you?

 well, perhaps the world might show an interest in going to techno 
 parties
 if he did.

 and not just us 'geeks' eh?
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RE: (313) Muzik (was 7 Magazine)

2003-07-04 Thread Ralf Gill
It seems to me there's more music, more interesting music, more
experimentation and less musical elitism than there has been since (for me)
1990-91...this isn't a DEAD music, just a lot of the parasites have moved
off to feed somewhere else...

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, 4 July 2003 12:54 p.m.
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: Tom Churchill; 313; Cyclone Wehner
Subject: Re: (313) Muzik (was 7 Magazine)


you are so wrong it hurts.

but i don't feel like getting into the whole death of dance music in
america. but it is DEAD!!!

Trust me- Even England during this slow time has a much bigger dance music
scene than America ever did, even at its peak.

On Thu, 3 Jul 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



 In contrast, rock titles, such as New Musical Express and Kerrang!, and
 magazines aimed at older music fans, such as Mojo and Uncut, have enjoyed
 circulation increases.

 I think there is your answer. The clubbers are growing up and are getting
 tired of the same old dance music - or at least the way it's presented. I
 wonder how XLR8R, URB, and other US mags are doing? There still seems to
be
 a lot of kids still learning and listening to dance music in the US as
 opposed to the UK? correct me if I'm wrong please.

 MEK



   Tom Churchill
   [EMAIL PROTECTED]To:   Cyclone Wehner
   rdings.com
[EMAIL PROTECTED], 313
 313@hyperreal.org
   07/03/03 02:43 AMcc:
Subject:  Re: (313) Muzik
(was 7 Magazine)





  Yeah, that's a surprise.
  Wonder why?
  What's the talk?

 Full story:

 http://media.guardian.co.uk/presspublishing/story/0,7495,988334,00.html

 Cheers,

 Tom









RE: (313) Cartridges for SL1200's

2003-06-24 Thread Ralf Gill
Yeah, the GRADO is an awesome cartridge for the money. 
The DJ 100 is basically the GRADO Black with heavier tracking force ( 2-5
instead of 1.5) and the DJ 200 is same as the Grado Red series.
They sound wonderfull. Originally this post was re: stantons. IMO, all
stanton carts/ needle combinations sounds too bright/harsh. Even the Stanton
681EEE sounds very brash for a audiophile cart. The shure v15type3 on the
other hand m...

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, 24 June 2003 11:06 a.m.
To: rob
Cc: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: (313) Cartridges for SL1200's


if you're looking for the best sound quality possible (for a dj
cartridge), i recommend checking out the grado dj series...

 http://www.gradolabs.com



RE: (313) Good principles in techno label design (was Richie Hawt in k )

2003-06-17 Thread Ralf Gill
This isn't a technical mailing list...and its all part and parcel, the
music's not isolated from any other subject/experience...that's how we
experience and qualify music...in the context of our world...
If the music's crunchy, then its got soul...whether the black guys wearing a
lab coat or not...

I can't comment on music at the moment, my oscilloscopes being fixed ...

-Original Message-
From: David Powers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, 18 June 2003 9:53 a.m.
To: spw; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) Good principles in techno label design (was Richie
Hawtin k )


No humor???  Sounds like techno-fascism.  The final solution to the techno
problem?  True, there is a lot of noise on the list but my life would be
incomplete without Theakston's jaded little witticisms.

I do agree that soul and emotion are inherently limited notions that can get
in the way of real aesthetic understanding.  On the other hand, Soul Music
as a genre was a just a euphimism for black music, and doesn't have
anything to do with soul as a spiritual or metaphysical concept.  Emotion
is a physical criteria of human bodies, and not something that is inside
music.  

dave

-- Original Message -
Subject: RE: (313) Good principles in techno label design (was Richie Hawtin
k )
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 12:07:32 -0700 (PDT)
From: spw [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 313@hyperreal.org


I was talking about techno names but if you want to get philosophical the 
human race is doomed and will become obsolete like the Neanderthal 
man.
The Borg is a primitive science fiction concept since you will be dealing 
with more advance technology in the not to distant future such as nano 
technology, computers on the molecular level.
people are only animals genetically closely related to the Ape and will 
continue to evolve like all thing in nature including technology.
I would like to see a techno purist type mailing list where terms like
soul, god, 
emotions, the community social structure (politics) that dominate list
like 
313 are not allowed, not even incidents like 9/11.
Only the discussion of techno music and the 
expression of new ideas concerning techno, sarcasm and humor will also 
not be allowed your only allowed to state your opinion on a particular 
music item, promote your label/ project and stay focused on techno.

--- John Osselaer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Quote: When it comes to techno labels as a general rule a name must
 have an 
 emphasis on technology and a disassociation from human culture like the 
 band Kraftwerk.
 
 --- ?? As a general rule there are no rules to techno. Or at least
 there should not be any rules. That's what sets it apart and what
 safeguards its evolution and progress. 
 And 'disassociation from human culture'?? I could point you to numerous
 labels that care more about people than about technology. Everybody
 should! If you need a leading example: Jeff Mills, truly concerned with
 society and sociological evolutions + a will to let those ideas
 infiltrate his music. 
 And maybe, just maybe, Kraftwerk were not all that 'pro' disassociation
 from human culture. Maybe they wanted to point it out and have people
 think about it. Think about both the positive and the negative aspects
 of the technological evolution mankind is going through. It's not
 because it can be done technologically that it should be done. Otherwise
 we'll all be running around like 'The Borg' soon. 'Resistance is
 futile'? NO IT'S NOT!!!
 
 John 
 
 


=




RE: (313) Waveless DJing

2003-06-16 Thread Ralf Gill




 i dont see why the physical movement of
the artist is what makes you get into the music. it should be the
music that moves you

well you've obviously not been to see riverdance




 
   


RE: (313) de-warping tips?

2003-06-11 Thread Ralf Gill
I use a 60's electric bar heater with a sort of 'steel-lite' finish and nice
big flat top. ( 2 bar heater). The top gets quite hot, but not too hot to
sit on. I put the record on the top of the heater, turn it on , watch very
carefully, at a certain point it slumps flat then turn the heater off. 
Used this after a few nasty oven experiments.

-Original Message-
From: Synthetic Tom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, 12 June 2003 9:26 a.m.
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: (313) de-warping tips?


so the mail lady bent my newly-ordered morgan geist record into a horseshoe
shape in order to fit it in the mailbox.  god bless her.  needless to say
it's not playing so well.  anyone have any good methods for flattening their
vinyl???  my apologies if this topic's been covered.  thanks.

tom


RE: (313) OT - cantina band

2003-06-10 Thread Ralf Gill
Is that BT express a label or artist?

-Original Message-
From: Matthew Mangold [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, 10 June 2003 1:13 p.m.
To: 313; Phonopsia
Subject: RE: (313) OT - cantina band


There's another one out there: BT Express - Level One EP; track B1,
Tripin' on Madhouse. MH-01. I'm pretty sure this is the one that Carter
plays.

Matthew



-Original Message-
From: Phonopsia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 8:28 PM
To: 313@hyperreal.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: (313) OT - cantina band


- Original Message -
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 10:38 PM
Subject: (313) OT - cantina band



 peeps

 what is the track that derrick carter plays that samples the cantina band
 from star wars ? i think there's one on juice records but there might be
 others too...? thanx.


It was a 7 on Columbia called Cantina if I'm not mistaken. By John
Williams. First 7 I ever owned.

:P :P :P

Tristan
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RE: (313) OT - cantina band

2003-06-10 Thread Ralf Gill
meco did a disco 'start wars' version that started with a bit of the john
williams intro ( with disco beats) and the bar song comes in in the last
half. Its got r2d2 making noises thru it as well. I personally think the bar
song bit ruined the song...

-Original Message-
From: Phonopsia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, 10 June 2003 1:24 p.m.
To: Ian; The Music Institute
Subject: Re: (313) OT - cantina band


- Original Message - 
From: Ian [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: The Music Institute 313@hyperreal.org
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 1:16 AM
Subject: Re: (313) OT - cantina band


 I think you mean Meco Monardo's remake.  I'm embarrassed to admit how
 influential Other Galactic Funk was for me.  Another italo-disco thread
 anyone?


Nope. My moms used to work for a studio, and I have all sorts of old vinyl
from that era accordingly. Midnight Run, Saturday Night Fever, Thank God
It's Friday, etc. Cantina or Cantina Song was definitely fully credited
to Lucas. It was the same version played in the movie. Perhaps you mean a
fancy-ass disco remake from that era? If so, spill the beans!

Tristan
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RE: (313) Techno Family Tree

2003-05-27 Thread Ralf Gill
how about ...  
ARTHUR BAKER, Born in Boston in 1977, Arthur Baker was witness... 



-Original Message-
From: Benn Glazier [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, 27 May 2003 11:53 a.m.
To: 313
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: (313) Techno Family Tree


Need we say anymore  comparing Nukleuz to Peacefrog??  Pfft..

Hardhouse is born in Chicago by the hand of artists such as Paul Johnson,
Cajmere, and Bad Boy Bill. 




r./

On Fri, 23 May 2003 17:15:16 +0100, Brendan Nelson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
 An Alan Oldman is listed as a fourth member of UR...
 
 The description of jungle's origins kind of sounds like ghetto tech
 (..mix House music and Hip Hop at 45 rpm)
 
 Speed garage did not seriously emerge in the UK until 1996, with 1997
 being the year it properly blew up. They list it at 1993...
 
 Sheesh, there are too many errors in this to bother listing them all
 without coming across as an insufferable pedant. I recognise what
 they're trying to do with the site... but they're wrong!
 
 Brendan
 
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: 23 May 2003 17:12
  To: Martin; 313 Hyperreal. Org
  Subject: Re: (313) Techno Family Tree
  
  
  Is it me, or are loads of the dates and facts wrong on this? e.g. 
  speed garage predates jungle? ministry of sound and cream on ibiza in 
  1997? Panasonic's 'Vakio' LP most influential experimental LP of the 
  90s. As the supposed result of 2 years of research, it seems kind 
  of sparse and innaccurate to me.
  
  Is anyone else able to correct my ignorance/agree with me?
  
  Dan
  
  
  At 12:21 pm + 23/5/03, Martin wrote:
  Thought a few people here may be interested in this link...
  
  http://www.intuitivemusic.com/technoguidetimeline.html
  --
  Martin Dust
  Parkhead House
  26 Carver Street
  Sheffield
  S1 4FS
  
  
 
 
-- 

Benn Glazier
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.royaltech.net
http://dj.royaltech.net


RE: (313) DJ Bone Radio1 Mix 2002 - Track id

2003-05-19 Thread Ralf Gill
does anyone happen to know what the track starting at around 28:30 is?

-Original Message-
From: 1-11 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, 17 May 2003 3:42 a.m.
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: (313) DJ Bone Radio1 Mix 2002 - Track id


It is a belting mix and he is a wonderfully talented DJ.  He played a
similar set at the FDEMF (sorry) when it was pi**ing down.  Oooh, most
enjoyable!

Cheerio.




RE: FW: (313) DJ BOX Warning

2003-05-15 Thread Ralf Gill
Security: so you think your some big shaart deee jaayyy do you son?
Me: yup
Security: tell em george, whadda do we doo tu these deejaays dawn here down
under?
Me: now hold up guys, i'm just here for the music
Security: go get the keys george, we've got a long night ahead of us

-Original Message-
From: David Gillies [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, 15 May 2003 2:50 p.m.
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: FW: (313) DJ BOX Warning


I took about a bag of about 50 records on as hand luggage from US to
Australia without any problems. Although, I guess its not quite the same
as 150 of 'em.

Customs at LAX had a fun time trying to figure what the hell they were
through the x-ray machines.

Security: What's in your bag sir?
Me: Records
Security: What?
Me: Records!
Security: Oh, rekkids! Its rekkids George! This guy's a d-jay.

Alex Bates said:

 i took a bag of about 150 records as hand luggage when i flew from
 heathrow to australia.. theres a little trick involved...

 ab

 -Original Message-
 From: Odeluga, Ken [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 6:50 PM
 To: Cyhl; 313 Hyperreal. Org
 Subject: RE: (313) DJ BOX Warning


 Is it really not poss to carry it as hand luggage? Might get searched
 seeing as it looks strange and will be heavier than most hand luggage,
 but that's better than it getting nicked. What else do you need to carry
 on you? Phone, toothpaste (maybe) wallet, passport? The rest can go in
 your big cases.



RE: (313) electro house is taking over (maybe not just in OZ)

2003-05-01 Thread Ralf Gill
don't know where you guys have been but we've known this genre as elicso for
the last 6 minutes...

-Original Message-
From: Cyclone Wehner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, 1 May 2003 1:59 p.m.
To: 313 Detroit
Subject: Re: (313) electro house is taking over (maybe not just in OZ)


You can't just blame music writers, it's an industry thing. Realistically,
practically, if you look at the way music is organised in record stores - do
you really want to sort through all the country releases to get to that
Suburban Knight 12 inch? I can tell you also that the vast majority of
labels come from artists themselves. Never underestimate artists' attempts
to market themselves - and that's understandable. Eg. DJ Hell has claimed to
coining 'electroclash'.  I'm sure he didn't envisage what happened with
that. Big beat came from Fatboy Slim! 'House' came from punters at the
Warehouse. You could say media types often take things out of context, or
that magazines exploit it, sure. Some of our most loved music was a 'trend'
at one stage. Techno, New Romantic, whatever. I really think we have to
start to rethink whether 'fashion' is a bad thing. Fashion = change = flux.
It's not something the modern media created. It can be good and bad. What
makes techno special is it ultimately transcended fashion to be tied to a
certain era and beyond.



RE: (313) WE WANT LYRICS!

2003-05-01 Thread Ralf Gill
or the beloved circa 1991
'its alright now, don't you worry bout a thing, i'm gonna put my arms around
you, we're gonna light up the sky.uuu...it's alright now..' 

nice!!!

-Original Message-
From: rob [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, 30 April 2003 11:51 p.m.
To: Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) WE WANT LYRICS!


A few Tip Top Lyrical tunes from back in the day

Can You Feel It - Fingers Inc (Robert Owens Version (Child from a broken
Home lyrics, not MLK of Jack version, although all good in different ways))

Someday - CeCe Rogers

Joe smooth - Promised Land




-Original Message-
From: Andrew [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 30 April 2003 12:35
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: (313) WE WANT LYRICS!


I was having this conversation just yesterday with friends, about the lack
of good lyrics in house and techno. We were discussing 'Black Water' (Don't
let them tell you that war is the answer etc. Pretty cool) and a few things
came up, among them -

Elements of Life - MAW Feat. Blaze (MAW)
Excellent lyrics concerning our depletion of natural resources.

In fact, a lot of Blaze stuff has really well thought out lyrics

Acting Crazy - Round Three (Main St.)
Weird ass lyrics about someone's smacked up [girl]friend :-)

Dajae - Day by Day (Cajual)
Just great lyrics about coping with daily life.

Mmmmhave work to do.can't think

Later,

Andrew




- Original Message -
From: Mann, Ravinder [CCS] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'Phonopsia' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313 313@hyperreal.org
Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2003 12:07 PM
Subject: RE: (313) WE WANT LYRICS!


 Good Lyrics in House/Techno...not many...like I say...non of that I love
you honey child cr^p

 Let me start...

 Arnold Jarvis - Take Some Time Out
 4 Hero - Black Gold of the sun






 -Original Message-
 From: Phonopsia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: 30 April 2003 12:02
 To: 313
 Subject: (313) WE WANT LYRICS!


 - Original Message -
 From: Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Phonopsia [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Alex Bates
[EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313 313@hyperreal.org
 Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2003 11:51 AM
 Subject: RE: (313) More Dirty House


  I'm not sure if I particularly g.a.f. abt the lyrical content! If we
  deconstructed all the lyrics of most of the tracks we are interested
  in here, we really wouldn't be left with much that is literary, noble
  or even coherent most of the time! The vibe is everything, for better
  or worse. Plus, I can make my own mistakes and learn from them myself,
  thanks,
 without
  need of the wisdom of an R'n'B singer to teach me, albeit in beautiful
  dulcet tones!


 Maybe it's time we started to expect more though? That 'glad today' record
I mentioned earlier has excellent romantic lyrics, and the Brooks album is
packed with them straight through (even if they're largely nonsensical, they
are great: see - dripping in gold). Dani Sicialano springs to mind too. I'll
be the first to admit that I'll let lyrics slide in house, but I don't know
exactly when we lowered our expectations. Lyrics used to be a big draw for
me before I got into house/techno, and they still are when I shop outside of
this. There have always been good political lyrics, and still are, like
Blackman, etc, but I'd like to see more insightful probings of emotions.
It's not like there's ever been a time when there wasn't some good lyrical
tracks in house, I just think people have more room to write crap if it
kicks.

 Tristan
 ===
 Text/Mixes: http://www.phonopsia.co.uk
 Music: http://www.mp313.com
 Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED]



RE: (313) disco / ball room

2003-04-23 Thread Ralf Gill
HI...where can yuo buy these records from
cheers

-Original Message-
From: marsel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, 21 April 2003 11:20 p.m.
To: 313
Subject: (313) disco / ball room



just wanted to drop a note, those new 12es on Ball Room are excellent
obscure disco tracks again!!

any idea of the original labels / artists etc?

brh 010
san salvador - instrumental version

brh 011
love money t.w. funk masters - original mix
the stranger - 12 special

brh 012
long train running - special maxi version
delirium - disco mix



RE: (313) disco / ball room

2003-04-23 Thread Ralf Gill
got it thanks...

-Original Message-
From: Ralf Gill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, 24 April 2003 8:21 a.m.
To: 'marsel'; '313@hyperreal.org'
Subject: RE: (313) disco / ball room


HI...where can yuo buy these records from
cheers

-Original Message-
From: marsel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, 21 April 2003 11:20 p.m.
To: 313
Subject: (313) disco / ball room



just wanted to drop a note, those new 12es on Ball Room are excellent
obscure disco tracks again!!

any idea of the original labels / artists etc?

brh 010
san salvador - instrumental version

brh 011
love money t.w. funk masters - original mix
the stranger - 12 special

brh 012
long train running - special maxi version
delirium - disco mix


RE: (313) 313 geek culture

2003-04-16 Thread Ralf Gill
can't believe this is still going

-Original Message-
From: Darren Longton (Marketing) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, 17 April 2003 7:34 a.m.
Cc: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) 313 geek culture


Second!!

-Original Message-
From: Klaas Jan Jongsma [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2003 3:39 PM
To: spw
Cc: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: (313) 313 geek culture


I am getting so sick and tired of you going on, please shut up about 
this!




On woensdag, apr 16, 2003, at 20:38 Europe/Amsterdam, spw wrote:

 on 4/15/03 10:11 PM, Matthew MacQueen at 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:

 not really, in fact it probably wouldnt take a lot of time
 out of anyones busy scheduale.

 great idea steve, you doing this will really help out list and keep 
 the rest
 of us informed.  we'll be looking for you to have a rough version 1.0 
 of this
 weeks list wrapped up by say, early next week?   Why not?

 cheers,
 matt macqueen

 I did not volunteer, considerate it a free consulting service.
 Qualified candidate's must be team player's with good organizational 
 and
 writing skills.
 That would make me disqualified.
 I also think it would be best to have a person who's in touch with the
 Detroit scene, someone that has
 good morale with Detroit artist and labels.

 here is a quick way to compile information to create a comprehensive 
 list of
 new releases:

 Subscribe to record store stock list, one's that do a great job 
 carrying new
 313 music.
 I would subscribe to as many record store stock list as possible as to 
 not
 leave out any new releases.
 Also it would be a good idea to subscribe to 313 record label 
 newsletters to
 kepp informed about individual labels.

 Copy and save the 313 artist/ label information to an archive which 
 will
 later be used to compiled to make a list, make sure you abbreviate the
 record store name next to the release so the record store gets proper 
 credit
 for lsiting that release.

 For example:

 Sonic Groove = SG
 Record Time = RT
 Submerge = Sub
 Hardwax = HW

 So one release listed can have numerous or multiple record store
 abbreviations.
 This tells people where they can find a particular record.
 Be sure include the music medium such as CD, LP, EP, 12, 7 LMTD., 
 ect...

 You may also include the price next to the record store abbreviation 
 but to
 be on the safe side I
 would put a disclaimer prices may vary next to: not affiliated with
 record stores, not responsible
 for on online transactions, customer service, blah, blah, blah, 
 ect..ect...

 on 4/15/03 10:31 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Just remember to keep it going every
 week so that we don't miss a thing.

 I'm a afraid that's not possible since most record store stock list 
 are not
 available on a weekly basis.
 A bi-weekly or monthly list would be more realistic.







[EMAIL PROTECTED]


RE: (313) 313 geek culture

2003-04-16 Thread Ralf Gill
love this bit... Qualified candidate's must be team player's with good
organizational and
 writing skills..


-Original Message-
From: ::) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, 17 April 2003 7:54 a.m.
To: spw; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: (313) 313 geek culture


you really want to make this complex, dont you.

you're making listening and talking about music sound more complex than
making it :P

-Joe


- Original Message -
From: spw [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2003 2:38 PM
Subject: Re: (313) 313 geek culture


 on 4/15/03 10:11 PM, Matthew MacQueen at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:

  not really, in fact it probably wouldnt take a lot of time
  out of anyones busy scheduale.
 
  great idea steve, you doing this will really help out list and keep the
rest
  of us informed.  we'll be looking for you to have a rough version 1.0 of
this
  weeks list wrapped up by say, early next week?   Why not?
 
  cheers,
  matt macqueen

 I did not volunteer, considerate it a free consulting service.
 Qualified candidate's must be team player's with good organizational and
 writing skills.
 That would make me disqualified.
 I also think it would be best to have a person who's in touch with the
 Detroit scene, someone that has
 good morale with Detroit artist and labels.

 here is a quick way to compile information to create a comprehensive list
of
 new releases:

 Subscribe to record store stock list, one's that do a great job carrying
new
 313 music.
 I would subscribe to as many record store stock list as possible as to not
 leave out any new releases.
 Also it would be a good idea to subscribe to 313 record label newsletters
to
 kepp informed about individual labels.

 Copy and save the 313 artist/ label information to an archive which will
 later be used to compiled to make a list, make sure you abbreviate the
 record store name next to the release so the record store gets proper
credit
 for lsiting that release.

 For example:

 Sonic Groove = SG
 Record Time = RT
 Submerge = Sub
 Hardwax = HW

 So one release listed can have numerous or multiple record store
 abbreviations.
 This tells people where they can find a particular record.
 Be sure include the music medium such as CD, LP, EP, 12, 7 LMTD., ect...

 You may also include the price next to the record store abbreviation but
to
 be on the safe side I
 would put a disclaimer prices may vary next to: not affiliated with
 record stores, not responsible
 for on online transactions, customer service, blah, blah, blah,
ect..ect...

 on 4/15/03 10:31 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Just remember to keep it going every
  week so that we don't miss a thing.

 I'm a afraid that's not possible since most record store stock list are
not
 available on a weekly basis.
 A bi-weekly or monthly list would be more realistic.








RE: (313) 313 geek culture

2003-04-16 Thread Ralf Gill
I feel compelled to reply... it's a habit of my good
organizational and
writing skills, which has now become my curse...

-Original Message-
From: spw [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, 17 April 2003 7:54 a.m.
To: Ralf Gill; 'Darren Longton (Marketing)'; '313@hyperreal.org'
Subject: Re: (313) 313 geek culture


Then why keep replying?
You have nothing constructive to add, only smart ass comments.

on 4/16/03 2:43 PM, Ralf Gill at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 can't believe this is still going


RE: (313) 313 greek culture

2003-04-16 Thread Ralf Gill
I think we're off topic, i think spw is more on a historical/ referential
tip, and this release database and his motivation for it closely resembles
Socrates' questioning...which belieda belief in the capacity of the mind
(rationality) to apprehend the universe and a concomitant belief in the
power of language to come to terms with that understanding...
...hence this is no mere list for spw, but a lifelong work.

spw i commend you on your selfless application to this task, a task which
will benefit future generations of civilisation to come...

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, 17 April 2003 9:15 a.m.
To: spw
Cc: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: (313) 313 geek culture



Is this a paid position? Do I get vacation time? I can't work on Tuesdays
and Thursdays past 5pm and I need a window desk because of this eye
condition I have. What kind of health care benefits are you offering? I
just thought I'd let you know that Johnson down in accounting is stealing
pencils and taking longer than his allotted hour long break.

MEK



 

  spw

  [EMAIL PROTECTED]To:   313@hyperreal.org

  gy.net  cc:

   Subject:  Re: (313) 313 geek
culture
  04/16/03 01:38 PM

 

 





on 4/15/03 10:11 PM, Matthew MacQueen at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 not really, in fact it probably wouldnt take a lot of time
 out of anyones busy scheduale.

 great idea steve, you doing this will really help out list and keep the
rest
 of us informed.  we'll be looking for you to have a rough version 1.0 of
this
 weeks list wrapped up by say, early next week?   Why not?

 cheers,
 matt macqueen

I did not volunteer, considerate it a free consulting service.
Qualified candidate's must be team player's with good organizational and
writing skills.
That would make me disqualified.
I also think it would be best to have a person who's in touch with the
Detroit scene, someone that has
good morale with Detroit artist and labels.

here is a quick way to compile information to create a comprehensive list
of
new releases:

Subscribe to record store stock list, one's that do a great job carrying
new
313 music.
I would subscribe to as many record store stock list as possible as to not
leave out any new releases.
Also it would be a good idea to subscribe to 313 record label newsletters
to
kepp informed about individual labels.

Copy and save the 313 artist/ label information to an archive which will
later be used to compiled to make a list, make sure you abbreviate the
record store name next to the release so the record store gets proper
credit
for lsiting that release.

For example:

Sonic Groove = SG
Record Time = RT
Submerge = Sub
Hardwax = HW

So one release listed can have numerous or multiple record store
abbreviations.
This tells people where they can find a particular record.
Be sure include the music medium such as CD, LP, EP, 12, 7 LMTD., ect...

You may also include the price next to the record store abbreviation but to
be on the safe side I
would put a disclaimer prices may vary next to: not affiliated with
record stores, not responsible
for on online transactions, customer service, blah, blah, blah,
ect..ect...

on 4/15/03 10:31 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Just remember to keep it going every
 week so that we don't miss a thing.

I'm a afraid that's not possible since most record store stock list are not
available on a weekly basis.
A bi-weekly or monthly list would be more realistic.












FW: (313) 313 greek culture

2003-04-16 Thread Ralf Gill

he'd be a tough, no - nonsense sort of boss --- think you could handle it?

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, 17 April 2003 9:39 a.m.
To: Ralf Gill
Cc: '313@hyperreal.org'
Subject: RE: (313) 313 greek culture



er, ah - does that mean I get the job?





 

  Ralf Gill

  [EMAIL PROTECTED]To:
'[EMAIL PROTECTED]' [EMAIL PROTECTED],

  ance.co.nz   '313@hyperreal.org'
313@hyperreal.org  
   cc:

  04/16/03 04:35 PMSubject:  RE: (313) 313
greek culture   
 

 





I think we're off topic, i think spw is more on a historical/ referential
tip, and this release database and his motivation for it closely resembles
Socrates' questioning...which belieda belief in the capacity of the
mind
(rationality) to apprehend the universe and a concomitant belief in the
power of language to come to terms with that understanding...
...hence this is no mere list for spw, but a lifelong work.

spw i commend you on your selfless application to this task, a task which
will benefit future generations of civilisation to come...

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, 17 April 2003 9:15 a.m.
To: spw
Cc: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: (313) 313 geek culture



Is this a paid position? Do I get vacation time? I can't work on Tuesdays
and Thursdays past 5pm and I need a window desk because of this eye
condition I have. What kind of health care benefits are you offering? I
just thought I'd let you know that Johnson down in accounting is stealing
pencils and taking longer than his allotted hour long break.

MEK





  spw

  [EMAIL PROTECTED]To:
313@hyperreal.org

  gy.net  cc:

   Subject:  Re: (313) 313 geek
culture
  04/16/03 01:38 PM









on 4/15/03 10:11 PM, Matthew MacQueen at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 not really, in fact it probably wouldnt take a lot of time
 out of anyones busy scheduale.

 great idea steve, you doing this will really help out list and keep the
rest
 of us informed.  we'll be looking for you to have a rough version 1.0 of
this
 weeks list wrapped up by say, early next week?   Why not?

 cheers,
 matt macqueen

I did not volunteer, considerate it a free consulting service.
Qualified candidate's must be team player's with good organizational and
writing skills.
That would make me disqualified.
I also think it would be best to have a person who's in touch with the
Detroit scene, someone that has
good morale with Detroit artist and labels.

here is a quick way to compile information to create a comprehensive list
of
new releases:

Subscribe to record store stock list, one's that do a great job carrying
new
313 music.
I would subscribe to as many record store stock list as possible as to not
leave out any new releases.
Also it would be a good idea to subscribe to 313 record label newsletters
to
kepp informed about individual labels.

Copy and save the 313 artist/ label information to an archive which will
later be used to compiled to make a list, make sure you abbreviate the
record store name next to the release so the record store gets proper
credit
for lsiting that release.

For example:

Sonic Groove = SG
Record Time = RT
Submerge = Sub
Hardwax = HW

So one release listed can have numerous or multiple record store
abbreviations.
This tells people where they can find a particular record.
Be sure include the music medium such as CD, LP, EP, 12, 7 LMTD., ect...

You may also include the price next to the record store abbreviation but to
be on the safe side I
would put a disclaimer prices may vary next to: not affiliated with
record stores, not responsible
for on online transactions, customer service, blah, blah, blah,
ect..ect...

on 4/15/03 10:31 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Just remember to keep it going every
 week so that we don't miss a thing.

I'm a afraid that's not possible since most record store stock list are not
available on a weekly basis.
A bi-weekly or monthly list would be more realistic.
















RE: (313) 313 geek culture

2003-04-16 Thread Ralf Gill
true...i go out and listen to 313 and get very immoral in the process ;-)

-Original Message-
From: Sylvia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, 17 April 2003 10:13 a.m.
To: spw
Cc: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) 313 geek culture




SPW said has good morale with Detroit artist and labels.
I guess I'm disqualifed... I was keen doing it, but I don't fill the
requirements given by our Professor, too bad for me.
Wort it out SPW!





|-Original Message-
|From: spw [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
|Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2003 8:38 PM
|To: 313@hyperreal.org
|Subject: Re: (313) 313 geek culture
|
|
|on 4/15/03 10:11 PM, Matthew MacQueen at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
|wrote:
|
| not really, in fact it probably wouldnt take a lot of time
| out of anyones busy scheduale.
|
| great idea steve, you doing this will really help out list and
|keep the rest
| of us informed.  we'll be looking for you to have a rough
|version 1.0 of this
| weeks list wrapped up by say, early next week?   Why not?
|
| cheers,
| matt macqueen
|
|I did not volunteer, considerate it a free consulting service.
|Qualified candidate's must be team player's with good organizational and
|writing skills.
|That would make me disqualified.
|I also think it would be best to have a person who's in touch with the
|Detroit scene, someone that has
|good morale with Detroit artist and labels.
|
|here is a quick way to compile information to create a
|comprehensive list of
|new releases:
|
|Subscribe to record store stock list, one's that do a great job
|carrying new
|313 music.
|I would subscribe to as many record store stock list as possible as to not
|leave out any new releases.
|Also it would be a good idea to subscribe to 313 record label
|newsletters to
|kepp informed about individual labels.
|
|Copy and save the 313 artist/ label information to an archive which will
|later be used to compiled to make a list, make sure you abbreviate the
|record store name next to the release so the record store gets
|proper credit
|for lsiting that release.
|
|For example:
|
|Sonic Groove = SG
|Record Time = RT
|Submerge = Sub
|Hardwax = HW
|
|So one release listed can have numerous or multiple record store
|abbreviations.
|This tells people where they can find a particular record.
|Be sure include the music medium such as CD, LP, EP, 12, 7 LMTD., ect...
|
|You may also include the price next to the record store abbreviation but to
|be on the safe side I
|would put a disclaimer prices may vary next to: not affiliated with
|record stores, not responsible
|for on online transactions, customer service, blah, blah, blah,
|ect..ect...
|
|on 4/15/03 10:31 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at
|[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
|
| Just remember to keep it going every
| week so that we don't miss a thing.
|
|I'm a afraid that's not possible since most record store stock list are not
|available on a weekly basis.
|A bi-weekly or monthly list would be more realistic.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|


(313) sonic groove

2003-04-15 Thread Ralf Gill
Hi, can't remember, but was this shop the one that had closed and was very
slow to fill online orders?
cheers


RE: (313) UR

2003-04-09 Thread Ralf Gill
this is obviously parody...2 completely different scenarios...but
highlighting the obvious over-reaction to one situation by parodying it with
the other...one hopes...

-Original Message-
From: Dennis Donohue [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, 10 April 2003 7:00 a.m.
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) UR


While I do not support the rip-off, I think the footer message War when
necessary sucks big time.

Peace in the good times/War when necessary. What defines necessity.

If the US economic situation continues to deteriorate does this necessatate
enforcing control through trigger happy kick ass advanced technology toting
red-necks - know what I'm sayin'?

When plugged into my anti war-talk machine:

I need a good foot massage. Big time.

Bunnies make kick ass red-neck soup.




Cheers.

-Original Message-
From: Kai [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 2:25 PM
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: (313) UR


RE: (313) handbags

2003-03-24 Thread Ralf Gill
I wasn't aware that all british were pasty white or scum...I'm a kind of
pastel beige british floater, but I haven't pressed a bootleg yet, maybe
michael jackson should have tried that instead of forking out for plastic
surgeons?

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, 25 March 2003 8:36 a.m.
To: Jongsma, K.J.; 'rob'; Jongsma, K.J.
Cc: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: (313) handbags


all of this race is an issue bullshxt is just that.  Race
is, and always will be as much of an issue as you make it.

I never even contemplated race and techno before I joined
this damn list.  its all music, who cares what color the
artist is. I can't tell the difference by listening to it,
so who cares.  

of course, I don't think detroit was the birthing place of
techno either, but thats just flamebait here (no replies
please :P)

-Joe





Nice to see another private message pop-up on this list,
how nice of you

look better next time will you!


 -Original Message-
 From: rob [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Monday, March 24, 2003 5:08 PM
 To: Jongsma, K.J.
 Cc: 313@hyperreal.org
 Subject: RE: (313) handbags
 
 
 I'm sorry you feel this way KJ. Music is a sound and
can't 
 been seen, so
 hence has no colour you can like it or not.
 
 As for Race is always an issue... I don't know what
colour 
 you are? It
 makes no difference to me either it's what you've got
to 
 say and do that
 interests me, not the colour of your skin.
 
 If you have a problem with colour then I can understand
why 
 race is always
 an issue to you in your world, however, please don't
accuse 
 the rest of us
 of being the same as you!
 
 It is however your right to voice your own opinion, I
will 
 choose not to
 listen to it next time, as I feel you have been misguided
in life.
 
 I hope you have a nice day though :O)
 
 Peace.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Jongsma, K.J. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: 24 March 2003 15:36
 To: 'rob'
 Subject: RE: (313) handbags
 
 
 
  I hope colour does not come into it again, music has no
colour!
 
 bullshit, music HAS colour, like it or not.
 
 
 Race is always an issue
 

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(313) cleaning records

2003-03-04 Thread Ralf Gill

probably been asked a million times but whats the best stuff for cleaning
records...also does putting weights on the end of the tone arms make the
record wear out faster???



RE: (313) playlists and conversations

2003-02-18 Thread Ralf Gill
putting years on playlists has nothing to do with 'definitions of techno'
This is a different thread dude...

-Original Message-
From: James Bucknell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, 19 February 2003 5:12 p.m.
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313 Mailing List
Subject: Re: (313) playlists and conversations


the reason for putting the year of release in a track listing is the same
reason that track listings mention the artist, title, record label and mix.
it's information that is useful for those that want to track it down.
james


 | 
 | 
 |  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 |  Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 07:29:39 -0500
 |  To: 313@hyperreal.org
 |  Subject: (313) playlists and conversations
 |  
 |  For the person giving the years on his playlists, isnt that very
 |  fuggin geeked out? and all these techno conversation about what is
 |  techno, they all suck.  Go to Submerge or something and ask mike
 |  banks.The basic fact is there is good music and bad, and
 |  acoustic music and electronic music.  Thats it.  Cant you guys go
 |  back to talking about new records and old records? what is this
 |  shiznit? You guys bore everyone!  And of course Missy Elliot is at
 |  least a little techno.  That isnt just hand drums behind her
 |  vocals.  And Adam beyer is also techno, its just pounding.  Its
 |  obviously not Rhythim is Rhythim , but no disrespect.  Id rather
 |  use this list to find out dj dates for Derrick May or any other
 |  non-half-azzed dj, so if anybody knows, where and when is Derrick
 |  playing, in the US or abroad??? And everybody quit the shiznit,
 |  save it for your toilets
 | 
 | 
 


RE: (313) playlists and conversations (changing topic)

2003-02-18 Thread Ralf Gill


-Original Message-
From: ::) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, 19 February 2003 1:40 a.m.
To: 313 Mailing List
Subject: Re: (313) playlists and conversations (changing topic)



This party, what year was it ?


ok so hi

we should end this and talk about something else.

what about the new hawtin and vath album?  I never heard anyone talk about
it

anyone wanna have a party?


-Joe


- Original Message -
From: Andrew [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED]; James Bucknell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313 Mailing List
313@hyperreal.org
Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 7:29 AM
Subject: Re: (313) playlists and conversations


 Well, maybe there is an interesting point here. Do tracks just stand
alone,
 without any context in time? I personally like to know when a track was
 done, it gives me an idea of how the artist was affected by the scene
 surrounding them, and the influences that are at play.

 I have tracks that are wicked for the time, but now sound a a little
dated.
 They still retain some of their original power,  but now can be seen as
 important advances for their respective times. Maybe the dispute arose
over
 listing years that are quite recent? Seeing tracklistings with (2001),
 (2000), or (1998) in them might look overly anal, but still I like to
trace
 an artist's development, so for me it's important information.

 Just my tuppence,

 Andrew


 - Original Message -
 From: Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: James Bucknell [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313
 Mailing List 313@hyperreal.org
 Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 12:16 PM
 Subject: RE: (313) playlists and conversations


  Now we are going to argue about putting years of tracks on tracklists,
or
  not - I had thought I'd seen the further limits of triviality on this
 list,
  till now!!
 
  ¦-D
 
  -Original Message-
  From: James Bucknell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 4:12 AM
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313 Mailing List
  Subject: Re: (313) playlists and conversations
  
  
  the reason for putting the year of release in a track listing is the
same
  reason that track listings mention the artist, title, record label and
 mix.
  it's information that is useful for those that want to track it down.
  james
  
  
   |
   |
   |  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   |  Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 07:29:39 -0500
   |  To: 313@hyperreal.org
   |  Subject: (313) playlists and conversations
   | 
   |  For the person giving the years on his playlists, isnt that very
   |  fuggin geeked out? and all these techno conversation about what
is
   |  techno, they all suck.  Go to Submerge or something and ask mike
   |  banks.The basic fact is there is good music and bad, and
   |  acoustic music and electronic music.  Thats it.  Cant you guys go
   |  back to talking about new records and old records? what is
this
   |  shiznit? You guys bore everyone!  And of course Missy Elliot is
at
   |  least a little techno.  That isnt just hand drums behind her
   |  vocals.  And Adam beyer is also techno, its just pounding.  Its
   |  obviously not Rhythim is Rhythim , but no disrespect.  Id rather
   |  use this list to find out dj dates for Derrick May or any other
   |  non-half-azzed dj, so if anybody knows, where and when is Derrick
   |  playing, in the US or abroad??? And everybody quit the shiznit,
   |  save it for your toilets
   |
   |
  
  



RE: (313) playlists and conversations

2003-02-18 Thread Ralf Gill
To be honest, when I hear an amazing track and check the date and its when I
was listening to something tottaly different I kind of get a mini anxiety
attack...

-Original Message-
From: Rob Jarvis. Victoria Music Ltd. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, 19 February 2003 1:48 a.m.
To: Andrew; 313 Mailing List
Subject: Re: (313) playlists and conversations



My memory's so SH*T these days that i encourage the use of 'context'
especially the year of release ;-)

Rob Jarvis

Victoria Music Ltd.
Unit 215 old gramaphone works
326 Kensal Road
London
W10 5BZ
+ 44 (0)20 7565 8193 voice
+ 44 (0)20 8960 3834 fax

http://www.victoria-music.com
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (MSN messenger)

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 From: Andrew [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 12:29:38 -
 To: Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED], James Bucknell
 [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313 Mailing List
 313@hyperreal.org
 Subject: Re: (313) playlists and conversations
 
 Well, maybe there is an interesting point here. Do tracks just stand
alone,
 without any context in time? I personally like to know when a track was
 done, it gives me an idea of how the artist was affected by the scene
 surrounding them, and the influences that are at play.
 
 I have tracks that are wicked for the time, but now sound a a little
dated.
 They still retain some of their original power,  but now can be seen as
 important advances for their respective times. Maybe the dispute arose
over
 listing years that are quite recent? Seeing tracklistings with (2001),
 (2000), or (1998) in them might look overly anal, but still I like to
trace
 an artist's development, so for me it's important information.
 
 Just my tuppence,
 
 Andrew
 
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: James Bucknell [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313
 Mailing List 313@hyperreal.org
 Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 12:16 PM
 Subject: RE: (313) playlists and conversations
 
 
 Now we are going to argue about putting years of tracks on tracklists, or
 not - I had thought I'd seen the further limits of triviality on this
 list,
 till now!!
 
 ¦-D
 
 -Original Message-
 From: James Bucknell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 4:12 AM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313 Mailing List
 Subject: Re: (313) playlists and conversations
 
 
 the reason for putting the year of release in a track listing is the
same
 reason that track listings mention the artist, title, record label and
 mix.
 it's information that is useful for those that want to track it down.
 james
 
 
 |
 |
 |  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 |  Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 07:29:39 -0500
 |  To: 313@hyperreal.org
 |  Subject: (313) playlists and conversations
 | 
 |  For the person giving the years on his playlists, isnt that very
 |  fuggin geeked out? and all these techno conversation about what is
 |  techno, they all suck.  Go to Submerge or something and ask mike
 |  banks.The basic fact is there is good music and bad, and
 |  acoustic music and electronic music.  Thats it.  Cant you guys go
 |  back to talking about new records and old records? what is this
 |  shiznit? You guys bore everyone!  And of course Missy Elliot is at
 |  least a little techno.  That isnt just hand drums behind her
 |  vocals.  And Adam beyer is also techno, its just pounding.  Its
 |  obviously not Rhythim is Rhythim , but no disrespect.  Id rather
 |  use this list to find out dj dates for Derrick May or any other
 |  non-half-azzed dj, so if anybody knows, where and when is Derrick
 |  playing, in the US or abroad??? And everybody quit the shiznit,
 |  save it for your toilets
 |
 |
 
 
 


RE: (313) playlists and conversations (changing topic)

2003-02-18 Thread Ralf Gill
Yeah, but sometimes it makes the bad party more relevant, like I went to a
party in 1983, by the time I stopped it was 1994, and although the party and
all the people looked totally out-dated, when we told the hospital the year
they said it was cool because they could see how i ended up like this...

-Original Message-
From: Brendan Nelson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, 19 February 2003 1:41 a.m.
To: Ralf Gill; ::); 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) playlists and conversations (changing topic)


That's not relevant! As we all know, there are just good parties and bad
parties. Discussing when they actually happen is fuggin geeked out... :)

| -Original Message-
| From: Ralf Gill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
| Sent: 18 February 2003 12:42
| To: '::)'; '313@hyperreal.org'
| Subject: RE: (313) playlists and conversations (changing topic)
| 
| 
| 
| 
| -Original Message-
| From: ::) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
| Sent: Wednesday, 19 February 2003 1:40 a.m.
| To: 313 Mailing List
| Subject: Re: (313) playlists and conversations (changing topic)
| 
| 
| 
| This party, what year was it ?
| 
| 
| ok so hi
| 
| we should end this and talk about something else.
| 
| what about the new hawtin and vath album?  I never heard 
| anyone talk about
| it
| 
| anyone wanna have a party?
| 
| 
| -Joe
| 
| 
| - Original Message -
| From: Andrew [EMAIL PROTECTED]
| To: Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED]; James Bucknell
| [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313 Mailing List
| 313@hyperreal.org
| Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 7:29 AM
| Subject: Re: (313) playlists and conversations
| 
| 
|  Well, maybe there is an interesting point here. Do tracks just stand
| alone,
|  without any context in time? I personally like to know when 
| a track was
|  done, it gives me an idea of how the artist was affected by 
| the scene
|  surrounding them, and the influences that are at play.
| 
|  I have tracks that are wicked for the time, but now sound a a little
| dated.
|  They still retain some of their original power,  but now 
| can be seen as
|  important advances for their respective times. Maybe the 
| dispute arose
| over
|  listing years that are quite recent? Seeing tracklistings 
| with (2001),
|  (2000), or (1998) in them might look overly anal, but still 
| I like to
| trace
|  an artist's development, so for me it's important information.
| 
|  Just my tuppence,
| 
|  Andrew
| 
| 
|  - Original Message -
|  From: Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED]
|  To: James Bucknell [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 
| [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313
|  Mailing List 313@hyperreal.org
|  Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 12:16 PM
|  Subject: RE: (313) playlists and conversations
| 
| 
|   Now we are going to argue about putting years of tracks 
| on tracklists,
| or
|   not - I had thought I'd seen the further limits of 
| triviality on this
|  list,
|   till now!!
|  
|   ¦-D
|  
|   -Original Message-
|   From: James Bucknell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
|   Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 4:12 AM
|   To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313 Mailing List
|   Subject: Re: (313) playlists and conversations
|   
|   
|   the reason for putting the year of release in a track 
| listing is the
| same
|   reason that track listings mention the artist, title, 
| record label and
|  mix.
|   it's information that is useful for those that want to 
| track it down.
|   james
|   
|   
||
||
||  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
||  Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 07:29:39 -0500
||  To: 313@hyperreal.org
||  Subject: (313) playlists and conversations
|| 
||  For the person giving the years on his playlists, 
| isnt that very
||  fuggin geeked out? and all these techno 
| conversation about what
| is
||  techno, they all suck.  Go to Submerge or 
| something and ask mike
||  banks.The basic fact is there is good music 
| and bad, and
||  acoustic music and electronic music.  Thats it.  
| Cant you guys go
||  back to talking about new records and old 
| records? what is
| this
||  shiznit? You guys bore everyone!  And of course 
| Missy Elliot is
| at
||  least a little techno.  That isnt just hand drums 
| behind her
||  vocals.  And Adam beyer is also techno, its just 
| pounding.  Its
||  obviously not Rhythim is Rhythim , but no 
| disrespect.  Id rather
||  use this list to find out dj dates for Derrick May 
| or any other
||  non-half-azzed dj, so if anybody knows, where and 
| when is Derrick
||  playing, in the US or abroad??? And everybody quit 
| the shiznit,
||  save it for your toilets
||
||
|   
|   
| 
| 


RE: (313) playlists and conversations (changing topic)

2003-02-18 Thread Ralf Gill
im confused now...does the year or the music make the techno good or bad, or
does it all hinge on the geeks discussion...

-Original Message-
From: Rob Jarvis. Victoria Music Ltd. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, 19 February 2003 2:24 a.m.
To: Ralf Gill; 313 Mailing List; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: (313) playlists and conversations (changing topic)


LOL.
that's more like it. discussing a geek's party is quite geeky in itself.
and as we all know there are good discussions and bad discussions. (2003)

Rob Jarvis

Victoria Music Ltd.
Unit 215 old gramaphone works
326 Kensal Road
London
W10 5BZ
+ 44 (0)20 7565 8193 voice
+ 44 (0)20 8960 3834 fax

http://www.victoria-music.com
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (MSN messenger)

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u7 + kne' deep + rodeo meat + response audio + sounds unique + hypercubic +
radio sonic + neon + feedback

 From: Ralf Gill [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 01:49:18 +1300
 To: 'Brendan Nelson' [EMAIL PROTECTED], '313@hyperreal.org'
 313@hyperreal.org
 Subject: RE: (313) playlists and conversations (changing topic)
 
 Yeah, but sometimes it makes the bad party more relevant, like I went to a
 party in 1983, by the time I stopped it was 1994, and although the party
and
 all the people looked totally out-dated, when we told the hospital the
year
 they said it was cool because they could see how i ended up like this...
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Brendan Nelson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, 19 February 2003 1:41 a.m.
 To: Ralf Gill; ::); 313@hyperreal.org
 Subject: RE: (313) playlists and conversations (changing topic)
 
 
 That's not relevant! As we all know, there are just good parties and bad
 parties. Discussing when they actually happen is fuggin geeked out... :)
 
 | -Original Message-
 | From: Ralf Gill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 | Sent: 18 February 2003 12:42
 | To: '::)'; '313@hyperreal.org'
 | Subject: RE: (313) playlists and conversations (changing topic)
 | 
 | 
 | 
 | 
 | -Original Message-
 | From: ::) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 | Sent: Wednesday, 19 February 2003 1:40 a.m.
 | To: 313 Mailing List
 | Subject: Re: (313) playlists and conversations (changing topic)
 | 
 | 
 | 
 | This party, what year was it ?
 | 
 | 
 | ok so hi
 | 
 | we should end this and talk about something else.
 | 
 | what about the new hawtin and vath album?  I never heard
 | anyone talk about
 | it
 | 
 | anyone wanna have a party?
 | 
 | 
 | -Joe
 | 
 | 
 | - Original Message -
 | From: Andrew [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 | To: Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED]; James Bucknell
 | [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313 Mailing List
 | 313@hyperreal.org
 | Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 7:29 AM
 | Subject: Re: (313) playlists and conversations
 | 
 | 
 |  Well, maybe there is an interesting point here. Do tracks just stand
 | alone,
 |  without any context in time? I personally like to know when
 | a track was
 |  done, it gives me an idea of how the artist was affected by
 | the scene
 |  surrounding them, and the influences that are at play.
 | 
 |  I have tracks that are wicked for the time, but now sound a a little
 | dated.
 |  They still retain some of their original power,  but now
 | can be seen as
 |  important advances for their respective times. Maybe the
 | dispute arose
 | over
 |  listing years that are quite recent? Seeing tracklistings
 | with (2001),
 |  (2000), or (1998) in them might look overly anal, but still
 | I like to
 | trace
 |  an artist's development, so for me it's important information.
 | 
 |  Just my tuppence,
 | 
 |  Andrew
 | 
 | 
 |  - Original Message -
 |  From: Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 |  To: James Bucknell [EMAIL PROTECTED];
 | [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313
 |  Mailing List 313@hyperreal.org
 |  Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 12:16 PM
 |  Subject: RE: (313) playlists and conversations
 | 
 | 
 |   Now we are going to argue about putting years of tracks
 | on tracklists,
 | or
 |   not - I had thought I'd seen the further limits of
 | triviality on this
 |  list,
 |   till now!!
 |  
 |   ¦-D
 |  
 |   -Original Message-
 |   From: James Bucknell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 |   Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 4:12 AM
 |   To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313 Mailing List
 |   Subject: Re: (313) playlists and conversations
 |   
 |   
 |   the reason for putting the year of release in a track
 | listing is the
 | same
 |   reason that track listings mention the artist, title,
 | record label and
 |  mix.
 |   it's information that is useful for those that want to
 | track it down.
 |   james
 |   
 |   
 ||
 ||
 ||  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 ||  Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 07:29:39 -0500
 ||  To: 313@hyperreal.org
 ||  Subject: (313) playlists and conversations
 || 
 ||  For the person giving the years on his playlists,
 | isnt that very
 ||  fuggin geeked out? and all

RE: (313) playlists and conversations (changing topic) ((year 200 3))

2003-02-18 Thread Ralf Gill
now, if you could just get blake baxter to say that over a rolling 909
kick

-Original Message-
From: robin pinning [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, 19 February 2003 2:45 a.m.
To: Rob Jarvis. Victoria Music Ltd.
Cc: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: (313) playlists and conversations (changing topic) ((year
2003))




we're all geeks.this is an email discussion forum after all.


embrace your geekdom, don't deny it.

:)

robin...


 Hmmm...
 I'm guessing that if a bad Techno record is mixed at a party while geeks
are
 discussing it, that makes it Detroit.

 Rob Jarvis

 Victoria Music Ltd.
 Unit 215 old gramaphone works
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 pro-jex + killa bite + inform + subvoice + room tone + housedust + nepenta
+
 u7 + kne' deep + rodeo meat + response audio + sounds unique + hypercubic
+
 radio sonic + neon + feedback

  From: Ralf Gill [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 02:34:37 +1300
  To: 'Rob Jarvis. Victoria Music Ltd.' [EMAIL PROTECTED],
  '313@hyperreal.org' 313@hyperreal.org
  Subject: RE: (313) playlists and conversations (changing topic)
 
  im confused now...does the year or the music make the techno good or
bad, or
  does it all hinge on the geeks discussion...
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Rob Jarvis. Victoria Music Ltd. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Wednesday, 19 February 2003 2:24 a.m.
  To: Ralf Gill; 313 Mailing List; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: Re: (313) playlists and conversations (changing topic)
 
 
  LOL.
  that's more like it. discussing a geek's party is quite geeky in itself.
  and as we all know there are good discussions and bad discussions.
(2003)
 
  Rob Jarvis
 
  Victoria Music Ltd.
  Unit 215 old gramaphone works
  326 Kensal Road
  London
  W10 5BZ
  + 44 (0)20 7565 8193 voice
  + 44 (0)20 8960 3834 fax
 
  http://www.victoria-music.com
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] (MSN messenger)
 
  pro-jex + killa bite + inform + subvoice + room tone + housedust +
nepenta +
  u7 + kne' deep + rodeo meat + response audio + sounds unique +
hypercubic +
  radio sonic + neon + feedback
 
  From: Ralf Gill [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 01:49:18 +1300
  To: 'Brendan Nelson' [EMAIL PROTECTED],
'313@hyperreal.org'
  313@hyperreal.org
  Subject: RE: (313) playlists and conversations (changing topic)
 
  Yeah, but sometimes it makes the bad party more relevant, like I went
to a
  party in 1983, by the time I stopped it was 1994, and although the
party
  and
  all the people looked totally out-dated, when we told the hospital the
  year
  they said it was cool because they could see how i ended up like
this...
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Brendan Nelson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Wednesday, 19 February 2003 1:41 a.m.
  To: Ralf Gill; ::); 313@hyperreal.org
  Subject: RE: (313) playlists and conversations (changing topic)
 
 
  That's not relevant! As we all know, there are just good parties and
bad
  parties. Discussing when they actually happen is fuggin geeked out...
:)
 
  | -Original Message-
  | From: Ralf Gill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  | Sent: 18 February 2003 12:42
  | To: '::)'; '313@hyperreal.org'
  | Subject: RE: (313) playlists and conversations (changing topic)
  |
  |
  |
  |
  | -Original Message-
  | From: ::) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  | Sent: Wednesday, 19 February 2003 1:40 a.m.
  | To: 313 Mailing List
  | Subject: Re: (313) playlists and conversations (changing topic)
  |
  |
  |
  | This party, what year was it ?
  |
  |
  | ok so hi
  |
  | we should end this and talk about something else.
  |
  | what about the new hawtin and vath album?  I never heard
  | anyone talk about
  | it
  |
  | anyone wanna have a party?
  |
  |
  | -Joe
  |
  |
  | - Original Message -
  | From: Andrew [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  | To: Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED]; James Bucknell
  | [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313 Mailing List
  | 313@hyperreal.org
  | Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 7:29 AM
  | Subject: Re: (313) playlists and conversations
  |
  |
  |  Well, maybe there is an interesting point here. Do tracks just
stand
  | alone,
  |  without any context in time? I personally like to know when
  | a track was
  |  done, it gives me an idea of how the artist was affected by
  | the scene
  |  surrounding them, and the influences that are at play.
  | 
  |  I have tracks that are wicked for the time, but now sound a a
little
  | dated.
  |  They still retain some of their original power,  but now
  | can be seen as
  |  important advances for their respective times. Maybe the
  | dispute arose
  | over
  |  listing years that are quite recent? Seeing tracklistings
  | with (2001),
  |  (2000), or (1998) in them might look overly anal, but still
  | I like to
  | trace
  |  an artist's development, so for me it's important

RE: (313) what is *your* definition of techno?/ (techno rant)

2003-02-17 Thread Ralf Gill
I'd say techno is Roland. Without that japanese dude who got radiation
poisoning from nagasaki there would be no 909 707 303 808 etc...
Or maybe its just the invention of the stand alone drum machine with 16th
sequencers/step times, but would the kpr77 produced that same deep rolling
sound ...If whoever made the first records ( don't want to start another
thread here ...) started with computer screen would the same 'feel' have
ever been generated...

-Original Message-
From: Jayson B. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, 13 February 2003 6:56 a.m.
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: (313) what is *your* definition of techno?/ (techno rant)







 well that definition beats the its black music bullshxt
 that this list normally spews.

yeah. i mean obviously. like R+B is white music because christina
aguilera makes it.

and the award for best segue into a trolling comment goes to..



no really, i love this idea that peoples' opinions are now the
defining method of measurement. thats the silliest bunch of
horsesh*t. find any uncreative idea, and you can find some nitwit
who will love it.


such at the nitwit who just wrote this comment?


people's opinions aren't just now the defining measurement, they always have

been.  and not just in music, in everything.  from a purely logical 
standpoint, it is impossible to argue that opinions aren't the defining 
measurement, because once again its your opinion that is making that rule 
against it, not a fact.


in the end, and off of a techinical arguement, i somewhat agree.  there is 
music that doesn't have creative value out there, but that still comes down 
to my opinion.  but people who tend to have such strongs views on the 
subject as yourself are the kind of people that have to devalue someone 
else's opinion for listening to it.  and *that* is wrong.  dislike it, sure.

  feel its a lesser form of music, go ahead.  but i've seen too many 
elitists who are so willing to openly and publicly rip on someone for the 
music they listen to.  that's harsh.

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RE: (313) production and mastering

2003-02-06 Thread Ralf Gill
yeah..whats a rompler, u mean using a pc cards rom to process and sample?

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, 6 February 2003 3:50 p.m.
To: spw
Cc: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: (313) production and mastering


Far be it for me to enter into a 'debate', but I didn't assert that 
Pro-Tools performs composition. However it can have a decisive effect on 
'sound'.  This is due to numerous factors, such as the A/D converters used 
(Digidesign, MOTU, Apogee etc.) and the software itself, i.e. the TDM 
system of DSP, which is far more powerful than most home systems. Even 
though it ends up on a DAT or CD, the difference is audible.

Thanks for the advice on what equipment to use, although I'm afraid I've 
never heard of a 'Rompler'.

Regards,

Andrew



Pro Tools is really no difeerant that usin a hardware sequencer, it's not
going to compose tracks for you.
Most of today's vynil is either from a CD or DAT master Pro Tools is only
going to make your master sound better if your using it properly, buy some
nice analog outbourd gear, if you want something raw and warm record an 
EMU
SP-12 and a Minimoog into ProTools and buy their Contol 24 mixer with
Focusrite. 
If you use a Rompler with cheesy D*gital effects it's going to sound like 
an
F*cking rompler.



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(313) dj sneak tune i.d

2003-02-02 Thread Ralf Gill
I saw a movie about dance music 5 years ago.
It had a clip of dj sneak playing in a tent.
What was the tune he was playing please. The movie came out 5 years ago, had
everything in it, bob moog, theremins, all the detroit history( but
can't remeber what) wasn't hang the dj or anything like that


RE: (313) Re: Speaking of Kraftwerk

2003-01-07 Thread Ralf Gill
Can't believe I'll be watching them ( NZ) playing in a tent in the middle of
the day ( hot ) for 45 minutes surrounded by thousands of drunk and
sunburn't teenagers. Why can't they put a proper gig on

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, 8 January 2003 11:57 a.m.
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: (313) Re: Speaking of Kraftwerk



 Speaking of Kraftwerk,
 Are any on this list in OZ/NZ going to see them later this month?

I will be seing them in Melbourne , i will be in sydney when they do a show
in a few weeks so i might check that one out too (rare chance to see them),
they have done quite a few european shows...i think last time they came here
was 1981/1982?.. Both the melb/sydney shows they are doing 2 club/venue sets
in OZ. (23rd sydney/29 melbourne)

they are doing Big Day Out Festival in OZ on these dates..

SUN 19TH JAN - GOLD COAST - PARKLANDS
SAT 25TH JAN - SYDNEY - SYDNEY SHOWGROUND
MON 27TH JAN - MELBOURNE - MELBOURNE RAS SHOWGROUND
FRI 31ST JAN - ADELAIDE - ROYAL ADELAIDE SHOWGROUND
SUN 2ND FEB - PERTH - CLAREMONT SHOWGROUND


FOO FIGHTERS, JANE'S ADDICTION, PJ HARVEY, QUEENS OF THE STONEAGE, YOU AM I,
DJ MARK DYNAMIX, THE LIVING END, THE VINES, DJ LUKE SLATER, KRAFTWERK,
DEFTONES, MILLENCOLIN, PACIFIER, 28 DAYS, FRENZAL RHOMB, WAIKIKI, MACHINE
GUN FELLATIO, COG, MURDER DOLLS, THE HARD ONS, WILCO, SPARTA, JEBEDIAH, THE
WAIFS, THE MUSIC, AUGIE MARCH, ROCKET SCIENCE, KID KENOBI, RESIN DOGS, 1200
TECHNIQUES, BEXTA, GONZALES, CHICKS ON SPEED, UNDERWORLD (East Coast Only),
JIMMY EAT WORLD (Sydney, Melb, Adelaide and Perth) and XZIBIT (East Coast
only)