Re: (313) go away Moby
That gets my vote! -angie On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 4:06 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is it too late to make another 313 t-shirt? it should say across the chest Moby go away, I'm busy. and then at the bottom in small print have the [EMAIL PROTECTED] :-D MEK UI Design [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 03/26/2008 02:59:02 PM: Fred, you are hysterical... where do you find these things?! Jodie On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 3:14 PM, Fred Heutte [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The original. Demand nothing less. -- Detroit Techno Militia http://www.detroittechnomilitia.com
Re: (313) Re: Moby in tha D
I love the wayback machine MEK Fred Heutte [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 03/26/2008 02:16:44 PM: DEMF won't be the first time Moby has been outclassed by the home team. fh - from ne-raves archives Date: Tue, 20 Oct 92 12:11 EDT From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Rave-O-Matic (rev tue oct 20 [LONG]) R A V E - O - M A T I C A list of raves upcoming and alarming. ---NE-RAVES CALENDAR [,,,] Friday, October 23 JOURNEY THROUGH THE HARDCORE Detroit (313) - 259 - 1533 (313) - 741 - HYPR (313) - 433 - 2129 (313) - 358 - 9882 From the Original Dance Music Promotors we present The ULTIMATE Dance Party Festival JOURNEY THROUGH THE HARDCORE Friday October 23, 9PM-4AM KMS Records presents a dance concert to the extreme! Featuring these confirmed live acts DJs in the Sci-Fi Techno-rave arena Live from NYC, the return of MOBY Detroit's Techno terrorists UNDERGROUND RESISTANCE Top rave act direct from England MANIX Plus BLAKE BAXTER Special guest DJ KEVIN SAUNDERSON of Inner City DJ's in the Sci-Fi Techno/rave arena D. Wynn * Magic Juan Atkins * Richie Rich Hawtin * Claude Young * Alan Oldham Inxomniak * Jeffrey Q BMG Dj's in the Tribal House arena Alan Ester * Stacey Hale * Workkin' Mixx-Rick Wilhite Eddie Fashin' [sic] Fowlkes * DJ. Dangerous INTRODUCTION For several years Detroit Dance artists have lead the way [much propaganda deleted... -E] ..most amazing event in Michigan's history. THE EVENT We will be attempting to set a new record for the state of Michigan [more propaganda deleted... -E ] ..Everything is 100% guaranteed ATTRACTIONS Multiple dance areanas, a 50K Martin sound system, intellibeam lighting, flower strobes, dance platform, glow in the dark whistles necklaces, lasers, free ice pops, cash bar, restaurant on the premises, a new look to The Majestic TICKETS $10. ADV. $10 in advance at Ticketmaster outlets $12.50 at the door, stringent security, free parking available, NOTE: Charter buses available from various campuses upon demand will be coordinated by a campus rep. Call Information (313) 259-1553. Get your tickets early to avoid disappointment!!! A Reflection of the past... A view to the future sponsored supported by: Record Time, Panic, Unity, VOOM, rave boy. Majestic * 4120 Woodward, Detroit Info lines: (313) 259-1553 * (313)741-HYP-R * (313) 433-2129 * (313) 358-9882 Directions: (313)833-9700 - Date: Sat, 24 Oct 92 04:48:45 -0400 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: JOURNEY TO THE HARDCORE REVIEW Just back from the show in Detroit and it was kickin like a mule. I showed up [late] just in time to catch the end of d. wynn throwing down an all detroit set to a capacity crowd (1000-3000 people i don't know). 10 multi- color intellibeams and one wild green laser which was passed though a sheet of gauze hanging from the ceiling to the wall 100 yards back. The direction and intensity of the beam were programmable and it was used to make geometric shapes and draw cartoons! oh the location is a converted theater on woodward between downtown and the art museum. true detroit architecture right out back: a seven story burnt out building. the show was divided into Techno in the main theater and house in an upstairs bowling alley (!) Most house is new to me and it was a real grooving place to chill when the techno got too pounding. Back to the main event. After D wynn came Blake Baxter who was befuddled by technical glitches and had to give up before he got into it. Following him was Manix a KMS rave 'band' which consisted of one guy prompting 'make some noise' 'detroit' 'put your hands in the air' yeah yeah we've heard it all before and another guy hitting the low notes on a sampler. Skip up to the house room and people are slithering on the floor. wild. back down in time to catch Richie Hawtin of +8 spin supremely obscure bleepy science fiction getting the crowd worked for the surprise DJ Jeff Mills, a true turntable artist who can drop in a single beat on time. He made the headliner Moby who came on next look like a showman albeit the highest energy one I've ever seen. Moby took the bpm from 60-240 and back and had the crowd shaking it. Right after Moby the legend in of himself Kevin Saunderson took control and brought the beats around to a housier side of techno, but by this time I was ready to pass out so hopefully someone else can post on Juan Atkins and Underground Resistance. For the rumor mill Jeff Mills _has_ left UR but I still don't know if local DJ Alan Oldham has actually uh, filled his
(313) go away Moby
The original. Demand nothing less. fh --- (ne-raves archive) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 92 14:08:49 EST From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Moby update Hello everyone! Ummm, just thought I would mention this interesting tidbit that happened to me this morning. I was woken up from a deep slumber at 11AM by a phone call from none other than MOBY. He wanted my address so he could send me a revised version of the MOBY FAQ that Mike Brown is currently maintaining (I gave him a copy a few weeks ago). He then asked me about recommendations for Macintosh computers. He was shopping for one to use in his studio. When I get the update, I'll make sure I both a) post it b) send it to Mike for revision/addition Sorry to waste bandwidth, but I thought it was cool. dieselBoy PS : Anyone who is anyone *should not* miss Laura's party. They are the best! PPS: Evan, Mars, Kreig and Fluid : you boys better be there! [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Wed, 9 Dec 92 18:02 EST From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Moby update Egh! Can we keep the rumors about my party DOWN please! Moby *MIGHT* have come to the *LAST* one, but that's in the past and has no bearing on this weekend. As far as I know he wasn't even invited. I don't know him personally. Laura [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1992 08:51:25 -0800 From: Robert Campanell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Moby update Maybe Damian can advise him to get a modem with hix Mac, and then he can subscribe to ne-raves and go to all of our fabulous pre-rave parties. - Rob [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1992 14:20:52 EST From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mindFsck) Subject: Re: Moby update As far as I know he wasn't even invited. ah, but damian is supposed to have invited him... I don't know him personally. damian is so famous these days that everyone calls him up on the phone. :) e va n trEE [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Pete Ashdown) Subject: Re: Moby update Date: Thu, 10 Dec 92 16:03:52 MST damian is so famous these days that everyone calls him up on the phone. :) Nahh, that Moby is just such a wanker he'll bother anyone for silly reasons. He's always over at my place wanting to borrow CDs and read my magazines. I'll often come home and he's sitting on the porch waiting for me to arrive, usually, I'll just groan, Moby go away, I'm busy. Joke son, it's a JOKE. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: Mike J. Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Moby update Date: Thu, 10 Dec 92 23:22:15 EST damian is so famous these days that everyone calls him up on the phone. :) Nahh, that Moby is just such a wanker he'll bother anyone for silly reasons. He's always over at my place wanting to borrow CDs and read my magazines. I'll often come home and he's sitting on the porch waiting for me to arrive, usually, I'll just groan, Moby go away, I'm busy. that's nothin. every time i turn around he's stopping in where i work, begging me to be his manager and asking for my input on all his songs. seems like every time he hits a creative block he comes running to me, mike, mike, you gotta help me, i can't think of anything to write so sometimes i say something like why don't you sample a bunch of stuff from tones on tail and twin peaks and stick a breakbeat under it? or other times i'll groan, moby go away, i'm busy. mike [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: 10 Dec 1992 23:57:44 -0500 (EST) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: moby listen folks.. moby lives 4 doors down from me on Mott street. every night he rings my buzzer.. taylor.. can you come over and help me with my MIDI system.. i have no idea what i'm doing? so i go over.. patch up all his synths.. jam some trance with him (i wrote help me to believe).. then the hard part comes.. i want to go home. and he won't let me.. oh please stay.. your music is so cool! he says...come on.. i'll give you an S1100. tis' the same thing.. day after day... moby.. can't you see i'm busy. :) taylor.device.909 ps: on a serious note: did anyone else hear that he got signed to a MAJOR label? i did.. and was wondering if it was true... [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 10 Dec 92 21:08:01 -0800 From: Brian Behlendorf (Vitamin B) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Moby update damian is so famous these days that everyone calls him up on the phone. :) Nahh, that Moby is just such a wanker he'll bother anyone for silly reasons. He's always over at my place wanting to borrow CDs and read my magazines. I'll often come home and he's sitting on the porch waiting for me to arrive, usually, I'll just groan, Moby go away, I'm busy. that's nothin. every time i turn
Re: (313) Re: Moby in tha D
Woah... thats hysterically wicked Line-up from 1992... and Moby's sandwiched right in between Jeff Mills and Kevin Saunderson... hmmm... guess the 313 history buffs on this list who slated Moby for not being Detroit enough need to recheck their history... sounds to me like Detroiter's in 1992 were supportive of Moby... the crowd was shakin it too... lol... Thanks Fred... you've made me laugh outright in my half asleep stupor at work. On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 3:16 PM, Fred Heutte [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DEMF won't be the first time Moby has been outclassed by the home team. fh - from ne-raves archives Date: Tue, 20 Oct 92 12:11 EDT From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Rave-O-Matic (rev tue oct 20 [LONG]) R A V E - O - M A T I C A list of raves upcoming and alarming. ---NE-RAVES CALENDAR [,,,] Friday, October 23 JOURNEY THROUGH THE HARDCOREDetroit (313) - 259 - 1533 (313) - 741 - HYPR (313) - 433 - 2129 (313) - 358 - 9882 From the Original Dance Music Promotors we present The ULTIMATE Dance Party Festival JOURNEY THROUGH THE HARDCORE Friday October 23, 9PM-4AM KMS Records presents a dance concert to the extreme! Featuring these confirmed live acts DJs in the Sci-Fi Techno-rave arena Live from NYC, the return of MOBY Detroit's Techno terrorists UNDERGROUND RESISTANCE Top rave act direct from England MANIX Plus BLAKE BAXTER Special guest DJ KEVIN SAUNDERSON of Inner City DJ's in the Sci-Fi Techno/rave arena D. Wynn * Magic Juan Atkins * Richie Rich Hawtin * Claude Young * Alan Oldham Inxomniak * Jeffrey Q BMG Dj's in the Tribal House arena Alan Ester * Stacey Hale * Workkin' Mixx-Rick Wilhite Eddie Fashin' [sic] Fowlkes * DJ. Dangerous INTRODUCTION For several years Detroit Dance artists have lead the way [much propaganda deleted... -E] ..most amazing event in Michigan's history. THE EVENT We will be attempting to set a new record for the state of Michigan [more propaganda deleted... -E ] ..Everything is 100% guaranteed ATTRACTIONS Multiple dance areanas, a 50K Martin sound system, intellibeam lighting, flower strobes, dance platform, glow in the dark whistles necklaces, lasers, free ice pops, cash bar, restaurant on the premises, a new look to The Majestic TICKETS $10. ADV. $10 in advance at Ticketmaster outlets $12.50 at the door, stringent security, free parking available, NOTE: Charter buses available from various campuses upon demand will be coordinated by a campus rep. Call Information (313) 259-1553. Get your tickets early to avoid disappointment!!! A Reflection of the past... A view to the future sponsored supported by: Record Time, Panic, Unity, VOOM, rave boy. Majestic * 4120 Woodward, Detroit Info lines: (313) 259-1553 * (313)741-HYP-R * (313) 433-2129 * (313) 358-9882 Directions: (313)833-9700 - Date: Sat, 24 Oct 92 04:48:45 -0400 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: JOURNEY TO THE HARDCORE REVIEW Just back from the show in Detroit and it was kickin like a mule. I showed up [late] just in time to catch the end of d. wynn throwing down an all detroit set to a capacity crowd (1000-3000 people i don't know). 10 multi- color intellibeams and one wild green laser which was passed though a sheet of gauze hanging from the ceiling to the wall 100 yards back. The direction and intensity of the beam were programmable and it was used to make geometric shapes and draw cartoons! oh the location is a converted theater on woodward between downtown and the art museum. true detroit architecture right out back: a seven story burnt out building. the show was divided into Techno in the main theater and house in an upstairs bowling alley (!) Most house is new to me and it was a real grooving place to chill when the techno got too pounding. Back to the main event. After D wynn came Blake Baxter who was befuddled by technical glitches and had to give up before he got into it. Following him was Manix a KMS rave 'band' which consisted of one guy prompting 'make some noise' 'detroit' 'put your hands in the air' yeah yeah we've heard it all before and another guy hitting the low notes on a sampler. Skip up to the house room and people are slithering on the floor. wild. back down in time to catch Richie Hawtin of +8 spin supremely obscure bleepy science fiction getting the crowd worked for the surprise DJ Jeff Mills, a true
Re: (313) go away Moby
Fred, you are hysterical... where do you find these things?! Jodie On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 3:14 PM, Fred Heutte [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The original. Demand nothing less. fh --- (ne-raves archive) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 92 14:08:49 EST From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Moby update Hello everyone! Ummm, just thought I would mention this interesting tidbit that happened to me this morning. I was woken up from a deep slumber at 11AM by a phone call from none other than MOBY. He wanted my address so he could send me a revised version of the MOBY FAQ that Mike Brown is currently maintaining (I gave him a copy a few weeks ago). He then asked me about recommendations for Macintosh computers. He was shopping for one to use in his studio. When I get the update, I'll make sure I both a) post it b) send it to Mike for revision/addition Sorry to waste bandwidth, but I thought it was cool. dieselBoy PS : Anyone who is anyone *should not* miss Laura's party. They are the best! PPS: Evan, Mars, Kreig and Fluid : you boys better be there! [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Wed, 9 Dec 92 18:02 EST From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Moby update Egh! Can we keep the rumors about my party DOWN please! Moby *MIGHT* have come to the *LAST* one, but that's in the past and has no bearing on this weekend. As far as I know he wasn't even invited. I don't know him personally. Laura [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1992 08:51:25 -0800 From: Robert Campanell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Moby update Maybe Damian can advise him to get a modem with hix Mac, and then he can subscribe to ne-raves and go to all of our fabulous pre-rave parties. - Rob [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1992 14:20:52 EST From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mindFsck) Subject: Re: Moby update As far as I know he wasn't even invited. ah, but damian is supposed to have invited him... I don't know him personally. damian is so famous these days that everyone calls him up on the phone. :) e va n trEE [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Pete Ashdown) Subject: Re: Moby update Date: Thu, 10 Dec 92 16:03:52 MST damian is so famous these days that everyone calls him up on the phone. :) Nahh, that Moby is just such a wanker he'll bother anyone for silly reasons. He's always over at my place wanting to borrow CDs and read my magazines. I'll often come home and he's sitting on the porch waiting for me to arrive, usually, I'll just groan, Moby go away, I'm busy. Joke son, it's a JOKE. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: Mike J. Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Moby update Date: Thu, 10 Dec 92 23:22:15 EST damian is so famous these days that everyone calls him up on the phone. :) Nahh, that Moby is just such a wanker he'll bother anyone for silly reasons. He's always over at my place wanting to borrow CDs and read my magazines. I'll often come home and he's sitting on the porch waiting for me to arrive, usually, I'll just groan, Moby go away, I'm busy. that's nothin. every time i turn around he's stopping in where i work, begging me to be his manager and asking for my input on all his songs. seems like every time he hits a creative block he comes running to me, mike, mike, you gotta help me, i can't think of anything to write so sometimes i say something like why don't you sample a bunch of stuff from tones on tail and twin peaks and stick a breakbeat under it? or other times i'll groan, moby go away, i'm busy. mike [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: 10 Dec 1992 23:57:44 -0500 (EST) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: moby listen folks.. moby lives 4 doors down from me on Mott street. every night he rings my buzzer.. taylor.. can you come over and help me with my MIDI system.. i have no idea what i'm doing? so i go over.. patch up all his synths.. jam some trance with him (i wrote help me to believe).. then the hard part comes.. i want to go home. and he won't let me.. oh please stay.. your music is so cool! he says...come on.. i'll give you an S1100. tis' the same thing.. day after day... moby.. can't you see i'm busy. :) taylor.device.909 ps: on a serious note: did anyone else hear that he got signed to a MAJOR label? i did.. and was wondering if it was true... [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 10 Dec 92 21:08:01 -0800 From: Brian Behlendorf (Vitamin B) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Moby update damian is so famous these days that everyone calls him up
Re: (313) Re: Moby in tha D
sounds to me like Detroiter's in 1992 were supportive of Moby... the crowd was shakin it too... lol... True, but I think that was before Moby started his I'm a Rock Star thing and started singing in front of a band with Gwen Stefani. :) Still, I can honestly say I hope he brings it come May. I'm sure he's a swell guy, recent music notwithstanding. I'll be more than happy to eat my words if he tears it up like he apparently used to 15-16 years ago. -Arturo
Re: (313) go away Moby
Is it too late to make another 313 t-shirt? it should say across the chest Moby go away, I'm busy. and then at the bottom in small print have the [EMAIL PROTECTED] :-D MEK UI Design [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 03/26/2008 02:59:02 PM: Fred, you are hysterical... where do you find these things?! Jodie On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 3:14 PM, Fred Heutte [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The original. Demand nothing less.
RE: (313) Re: Moby in tha D
I saw Moby at a rave in Scotland in 1991. eat my words if he tears it up like he apparently used to 15-16 years ago. I'm afraid he was rubbish then too. I can confirm he has got worse since though. In 20 years time they'll be posting on whatever they have then saying hey can you believe it? Benny Benassi was cool back in '08 - look in this old line up I found he is sandwiched between Alton Miller and Carl Craig From: Arturo Lopez [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 26 March 2008 20:07 sounds to me like Detroiter's in 1992 were supportive of Moby... the crowd was shakin it too... lol... True, but I think that was before Moby started his I'm a Rock Star thing and started singing in front of a band with Gwen Stefani. :) Still, I can honestly say I hope he brings it come May. I'm sure he's a swell guy, recent music notwithstanding. I'll be more than happy to eat my words if he tears it up like he apparently used to 15-16 years ago.
Re: (313) Re: Moby in tha D
On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 6:14 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In 20 years time they'll be posting on whatever they have then saying hey can you believe it? Benny Benassi was cool back in '08 - look in this old line up I found he is sandwiched between Alton Miller and Carl Craig that would be funny if it wasnt so sad and so true. tom
RE: (313) Re: Moby in tha D
In every sandwich there's always filler along with the meat MEK [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 03/26/2008 05:14:11 PM: I saw Moby at a rave in Scotland in 1991. eat my words if he tears it up like he apparently used to 15-16 years ago. I'm afraid he was rubbish then too. I can confirm he has got worse since though. In 20 years time they'll be posting on whatever they have then saying hey can you believe it? Benny Benassi was cool back in '08 - look in this old line up I found he is sandwiched between Alton Miller and Carl Craig From: Arturo Lopez [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 26 March 2008 20:07 sounds to me like Detroiter's in 1992 were supportive of Moby... the crowd was shakin it too... lol... True, but I think that was before Moby started his I'm a Rock Star thing and started singing in front of a band with Gwen Stefani. :) Still, I can honestly say I hope he brings it come May. I'm sure he's a swell guy, recent music notwithstanding. I'll be more than happy to eat my words if he tears it up like he apparently used to 15-16 years ago.
Re: (313) go away Moby
#Fred, you are hysterical... where do you find these things?! #Jodie Well, I was on ne-raves back in the day, when there were just a few dozen people each active on sfraves, ne-raves, dcraves and uk-dance, and being on the lists was a good way to keep in touch with developments all over. I actually met a lot of the ne-raves crowd in New York in September 1993. Had a great picnic in Central Park, hung out with Taylor 909 at his place in Brooklyn (after he moved over from Mott St.), and went to the big party at the old New York Coliseum on Columbus Circle where the lineup, if memory serves, was Frankie Bones, Adam X, Garth (from Wicked in SF) and Derrick Carter and Mark Farina on 4 turntables, probably the greatest single DJ set I've ever seen (they reprised this many years later right here in Portland and were just atrocious, so I think it was just lightning striking on that particular night). This was well before ne-raves got hijacked by a bunch of yammering high school hardcore enthusiasts. All of the original lists except 313 eventually suffered a similar fate at the hands of ax-grinders and personal vendettas. But 313 has managed to maintain through thick and thin. As for Moby, I saw him on Scotto's NASA tour at the SF Fashion Center, also in September 1993. That was a pretty great night with Aphex Twin, Orbital, and others. But when Moby came on Brian Behlendorf and I went up to the third level gallery and watched him from above as he went to the front of the stage and flung his arms out like Jesus summoning the multitudes for the feast of loaves and fishes, and the crowd on the floor rushed the stage. The following month, Moby wandered on to alt.rave and had his head handed to him. http://moby.org/info/moby_thread fh
Re: (313) Moby assualt in Boston
On 8/27/06, Joost P [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey, I didn't want to interfere in all this, but in Fred's defense, he never insulted Tom's kid. He only attacked Tom about his mental state (and I happen to agree with him) hey, im glad to take all this free psychiatric advice from you and fred. obviously you guys have it much more together than me. i hope thats working out for you more than it is for fred. tom
Re: (313) Moby assualt in Boston
On 8/27/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PS. I like Pittsburgh. We did a cool Plus 8 party there once. Clark Warner, John Acquaviva, myself and Rich. I spent the day @ the Andy Warhol museum. Cute city. i didnt go because i dont like watered down techno. tom
(313) Moby assualt in Boston
A few years back when Moby was getting all this BS hype he was coming out of a gig @ the Paradise he did for this radio station here in Boston, WBCN. Since it was a promotional event it was not publicized very much. Apparently, as he was leaving the venue he got maced and punched by some angry punk rock kids. These punks were so brazen that they had the nerve to videotape the assault and put it online. Now I don't particularly like Moby or his management but I did find out who did it and sent MCT an email to let them know. I was present @ the offices of MCT when Rich, Dan Bell and John Acquaviva met them to get on the infamous Prodigy, Moby, Cybersonic tour of the US back in the early 90's. Didn't like those people at all but I wouldn't condone them getting assaulted on the street. Re: my approach to Tom. Take a look at the Stephen Colbert roasting of George W. Bush earlier this year. Pretty low brow humor probably by your analysis J.T. but I loved it. You are right about the BS aspect of PR. I was constantly surprised how Jeff Mills and Rich came off in a lot of interviews as their fame increased. Much differently than their personalities as human beings. telepathic regards, the kooky scientist PS. I like Pittsburgh. We did a cool Plus 8 party there once. Clark Warner, John Acquaviva, myself and Rich. I spent the day @ the Andy Warhol museum. Cute city.
Re: (313) Moby assualt in Boston
PS. I like Pittsburgh. We did a cool Plus 8 party there once. Clark Warner, John Acquaviva, myself and Rich. I spent the day @ the Andy Warhol museum. Cute city. that was an amazing party. it was in the Crane building in the strip district. excellent sound.
Re: (313) Moby assualt in Boston
Re: my approach to Tom. Take a look at the Stephen Colbert roasting of George W. Bush earlier this year. Pretty low brow humor probably by your analysis J.T. but I loved it. no way man i loved that, and it was obviously over the heads of most attending! i think you are reaching to compare steven colbert's political humour to your way-too-personal-and-vengeful insulting of tom's children and mental health, but maybe in person you would've inflected your words just right... You are right about the BS aspect of PR. I was constantly surprised how Jeff Mills and Rich came off in a lot of interviews as their fame increased. Much differently than their personalities as human beings. see that's what i would thinkand even if tom is shooting flames out his nostrils etc expressing his distaste for (over-exposed/hyped techno celebrity here), i think he responds to reason at least as well or better than insulting his kids and intelligence etc...he's just shooting the sh;t... too much macho
Re: (313) Moby assualt in Boston
Hey, I didn't want to interfere in all this, but in Fred's defense, he never insulted Tom's kid. He only attacked Tom about his mental state (and I happen to agree with him), being in such a bad shape he would run the risk of his kid getting taken away from him by the authorities or something along those lines. I agree that's harsh, but Tom's not exactly in need of pity here and if anything is not insulting to Tom's kid, but Tom himself. On 27-aug-2006, at 21:56PM, J.T. wrote: Re: my approach to Tom. Take a look at the Stephen Colbert roasting of George W. Bush earlier this year. Pretty low brow humor probably by your analysis J.T. but I loved it. no way man i loved that, and it was obviously over the heads of most attending! i think you are reaching to compare steven colbert's political humour to your way-too-personal-and-vengeful insulting of tom's children and mental health, but maybe in person you would've inflected your words just right... You are right about the BS aspect of PR. I was constantly surprised how Jeff Mills and Rich came off in a lot of interviews as their fame increased. Much differently than their personalities as human beings. see that's what i would thinkand even if tom is shooting flames out his nostrils etc expressing his distaste for (over-exposed/ hyped techno celebrity here), i think he responds to reason at least as well or better than insulting his kids and intelligence etc...he's just shooting the sh;t... too much macho
(313) that moby 10
Actually got round to giving it another listen, and it's not really glitchy at all. Sorry, that's the sort of inaccurate impressions you get when snatch a 30 second listen when you're running out of the house. However, still quite like the tracks, I guess they're at the melodic end of minimal techno, if we're going to get all categorical about it. Worth a listen anyhow.
(313) Speaking of Moby
Does anyone else recall reading a while ago that to combat downloading and piracy of his new album Hotel that he was pushing up the release date and releasing it with a bunch of bonus tracks? I thought it had list of some VERY tasty remixers (I can't recall precisely who, but why does Matthew Jonson stick in my head?) . . . the list seemed like a who's who of current powerhouses. But the bonus disc that I've seen bundled with Hotel is a bunch of ambient tracks done by Moby...no sign of any remixes. Does anyone have a clue what I'm talking about or did I imagine the whole thing? I hit Moby's site, the Mute site, I-tunes, Google, and I still can't put 2 and 2 together to equal 4. Help? Thanks. Leslie
RE: (313) Speaking of Moby
Perhaps these are the tunes on the 10 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 23 March 2005 16:21 To: '313' Subject: (313) Speaking of Moby Does anyone else recall reading a while ago that to combat downloading and piracy of his new album Hotel that he was pushing up the release date and releasing it with a bunch of bonus tracks? I thought it had list of some VERY tasty remixers (I can't recall precisely who, but why does Matthew Jonson stick in my head?) . . . the list seemed like a who's who of current powerhouses. But the bonus disc that I've seen bundled with Hotel is a bunch of ambient tracks done by Moby...no sign of any remixes. Does anyone have a clue what I'm talking about or did I imagine the whole thing? I hit Moby's site, the Mute site, I-tunes, Google, and I still can't put 2 and 2 together to equal 4. Help? Thanks. Leslie # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. #
RE: (313) Speaking of Moby
they don't appear to be remixes though just had a look at the press release - it name checks detroit and metro area but it looks like they're his own compositions At 4:27 pm + 23/3/05, Robert Taylor wrote: Perhaps these are the tunes on the 10 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 23 March 2005 16:21 To: '313' Subject: (313) Speaking of Moby Does anyone else recall reading a while ago that to combat downloading and piracy of his new album Hotel that he was pushing up the release date and releasing it with a bunch of bonus tracks? I thought it had list of some VERY tasty remixers (I can't recall precisely who, but why does Matthew Jonson stick in my head?) . . . the list seemed like a who's who of current powerhouses. But the bonus disc that I've seen bundled with Hotel is a bunch of ambient tracks done by Moby...no sign of any remixes. Does anyone have a clue what I'm talking about or did I imagine the whole thing? I hit Moby's site, the Mute site, I-tunes, Google, and I still can't put 2 and 2 together to equal 4. Help? Thanks. Leslie # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. #
(313) OT: Moby
A bit offtopic (hey it's the latest craze right?): http://www.amnh.org/rose/dome/?src=h_h Where is that planetarium anyway? - Jari Tolkkinen | dj ken-guru | http://www.labra.com/~ken-guru -
Re: (313) OT: Moby
Dude - it's like Laser Loggins! MEK Jari Tolkkinen [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: 313 313@hyperreal.org nt.oulu.fi cc: Subject: (313) OT: Moby 09/18/03 11:57 AM A bit offtopic (hey it's the latest craze right?): http://www.amnh.org/rose/dome/?src=h_h Where is that planetarium anyway? - Jari Tolkkinen | dj ken-guru | http://www.labra.com/~ken-guru -
Re: (313) OT: Moby
Save your money. Listen to your favorite 313 tunes and visit here: http://www.ritsumei.ac.jp/~akitaoka/saishin-e.html On 9/18/03 1:18 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dude - it's like Laser Loggins! MEK Jari Tolkkinen [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: 313 313@hyperreal.org nt.oulu.fi cc: Subject: (313) OT: Moby 09/18/03 11:57 AM A bit offtopic (hey it's the latest craze right?): http://www.amnh.org/rose/dome/?src=h_h Where is that planetarium anyway?
(313) Moby attack in Boston
I smell a lawsuit http://www.bostonbeatdown.com/videoprofile.html telepathic regards, the kooky scientist -- Upcoming Live Electronic Demonstrations: May 2nd - Peabody, MA - The Apple Store - iPod DJ event -- TELEPATHICA - P.O.B.80337 - Boston, MA 02180-0010 *new CL # 617.905.9619 and FAX 781.944.8996 http://www.mp3.com/fredgiannelli http://telepathica.com **New E-addresses* [EMAIL PROTECTED] and/or [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: (313) Moby attack in Boston
Yikes - what a happy crew that lot must be! I wonder what's in the 'members only' section - maybe them torturing kittens and puppies? :\ lisa FRED giannelli wrote: I smell a lawsuit http://www.bostonbeatdown.com/videoprofile.html telepathic regards, the kooky scientist
Re: (313) Moby
There's the Neptunes - NERD - and Chad Hugo knows his techno and house and it's evidently an influence. Timbaland. And if Missy's Work It ain't a techno/electro record, I don't know what is?? That new Snoop single From Tha Chuuuch To Da Palace has a techno feel.\ Cyclone you live in Australia. What's that supposed to mean?
Re: (313) Moby (cheddar)
and truth be told, a lot of electronic music is released without the artist making much of anything off the record/CD sales. its kinda a prerequisite to doing better live shows, which is where the money (if any) is. Jay Hogie says: BINGO! You gotta move a scheisseload of units before you make more than enough for peanut butter jelly (sorry, no bread). Economically, I think of releases as an opportunity to make money from giggin' - at least until I get my label going... Okay, not even then. Screw it, I live in Royal Oak, I'll just start robbing these yuppie fools. Who's down wit' me? JPH.
Re: (313) Moby (cheddar)
we can torture them in my basement with trance until they give us their ATM PINs :) you bring the trance and the monitors, that shxt gets no place through my gear :P - Original Message - From: Jason Hogans [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 list 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2002 10:09 PM Subject: Re: (313) Moby (cheddar) and truth be told, a lot of electronic music is released without the artist making much of anything off the record/CD sales. its kinda a prerequisite to doing better live shows, which is where the money (if any) is. Jay Hogie says: BINGO! You gotta move a scheisseload of units before you make more than enough for peanut butter jelly (sorry, no bread). Economically, I think of releases as an opportunity to make money from giggin' - at least until I get my label going... Okay, not even then. Screw it, I live in Royal Oak, I'll just start robbing these yuppie fools. Who's down wit' me? JPH.
FW: (313) Moby
on 12/15/02 10:55 PM, techno at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 12/15/02 5:14 PM, FRED giannelli at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not true. A couple of weeks ago Oakenfold drew less than half capacity in Boston (the Catholic priest child molesting capital of the world). telepathic regards, the kooky scientist For posting that you must now go to confession read the Act of Contrition to a priest and pray 10 Hail Mary's. Never heard of 'em. Mary who ? ; ) telepathic regards (no regrets) the kooky scientist
Re: (313) Moby (cheddar)
and truth be told, a lot of electronic music is released without the artist making much of anything off the record/CD sales. its kinda a prerequisite to doing better live shows, which is where the money (if any) is. Jay Hogie says: BINGO! You gotta move a scheisseload of units before you make more than enough for peanut butter jelly (sorry, no bread). Economically, I think of releases as an opportunity to make money from giggin' - at least until I get my label going... Okay, not even then. JPH. heard that robbie williams has a clause in his contract, where a certain percentage of the revenues from his concerts goes to the record company. wonder how they ever got him to sign that contract? jurren _ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
Re: (313) Moby (cheddar)
Memo from Alex Bond of PricewaterhouseCoopers Start of message text heard that robbie williams has a clause in his contract, where a certain percentage of the revenues from his concerts goes to the record company. wonder how they ever got him to sign that contract? By offering him a huge advance maybe? It was all over the papers here when he signed that deal - £80 million for 5 LP's. Ouch!! I guess they never learnt the Mariah Carey lesson eh? - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring. _ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer.
Re: (313) Moby (cheddar)
- Original Message - From: jurren baars [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 12:13 PM Subject: Re: (313) Moby (cheddar) heard that robbie williams has a clause in his contract, where a certain percentage of the revenues from his concerts goes to the record company. wonder how they ever got him to sign that contract? Not sure if there was sarcasm intended or not, but I'm pretty sure that clause would exist because it's the most lucrative recording contract ever. £10,000,000 I think? Tristan = Text/Mixes: http://phonopsia.tripod.com Music: http://www.mp313.com Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] New Mix in mp3, 'Live in Iowa City' available for a short time from http://phonopsia.isoprax.com
Re: (313) Moby (cheddar)
heard that robbie williams has a clause in his contract, where a certain percentage of the revenues from his concerts goes to the record company. wonder how they ever got him to sign that contract? Robbie Williams has signed what is believed to be an -£80m- contract with EMI Records in what could be the UK's biggest record deal. If I made a 130 million dollar deal I would donate all my concert proceeds to charity or something. 20 million in the bank with 4% interest will give you about 800,000.00 a year, thats just interest. You would be making 800k a year for the rest of your life(increasing each year too) 130 million would give you about 5 million of interest per year. You would be making millions per year... Pardon me whilst I go shed some tears for Robbie, bad record company, bad bad bad ;)
Re: (313) record industry [was: Moby (cheddar)]
heard that robbie williams has a clause in his contract, where a certain percentage of the revenues from his concerts goes to the record company. wonder how they ever got him to sign that contract? Not sure if there was sarcasm intended or not, but I'm pretty sure that clause would exist because it's the most lucrative recording contract ever. £10,000,000 I think? ah, didn't know that part, makes sense! i wonder if they're going to do this more often? i can see why recording companies are eager to put a clause like that in their contracts, but i can't quite see why an artist would do that. imho the role of big record companies is played out! with new technologies like cd-rw's and final-scratch the need for a physical copy of the original album/cd will quickly decrease. especially in the part of the music industry world where big record companies make their money. in the not too distant future people will refuse to pay for their physical copies of cd's. why pay over 20 euro for a cd, when only a tiny percentage of that amount will go to the artist, the rest is production costs profit for the production company, distribution costs profit margin for the distributor and retail costs a profit margin for the retailer.*) but why would anyone want to pay for distribution and retail if record companies or artist can provide for an alternative? the opportunity to download music from the internet in return for a fee for the artist. the artist will make just as much money as he's done when selling cd's [or just as little money] and the consumer doesn't feel ripped off. so for a record company it makes perfect sense to put a clause in a contract that gives them a percentage of the profit made from concerts. the only reason i can think of from the artists point of view is the fact that a big record company contract will insure that they'll get massive promotion. jurren *) cd's are actually cheaper to produce and distribute then 12s, but cd's are about twice the price of a 12 in almost any shop. so even if math wasn't your favorite class in school, you can see that the part going to the artist is probably the smallest part of the total price you're paying for the copy you're buying. _ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail
Re: (313) record industry (technology) [was: Moby (cheddar)]
imho the role of big record companies is played out! with new technologies like cd-rw's and final-scratch the need for a physical copy of the original album/cd will quickly decrease. Mmm Hmm. I've thought about ways to make a physical recording appealing enough to buy. Maybe even making the recording a secondary item bundled with something desirable enough to purchase? Limited edition Jason Hogans boxers and panties. Or some seriously cool packaging, like Radiohead's Amnesiac or Ghostly's Disco Nouveau. Humans don't have enough collective integrity (or loot) to buy music simply on principle. I'm guilty, and I'm an artist. Sad. I do my best to support others, even if it means listening to webcasts like BBC or Nuwave Radio to hear decent tunes until I can afford to play catch up with releases. Regardless of what anybody says, there's too much good music out there for most people with an average income to purchase everything that they want. Its crazy competitive right now, almost as many labels as there are artists! Hey, that's the future. No large (or even medium sized?) record labels, just musicians who know their business. A zillion little rhythmic CEOs...Heavy. JPH.
Re: (313) record industry (technology) [was: Moby (cheddar)]
imho the role of big record companies is played out! with new technologies like cd-rw's and final-scratch the need for a physical copy of the original album/cd will quickly decrease. Mmm Hmm. I've thought about ways to make a physical recording appealing enough to buy. Maybe even making the recording a secondary item bundled with something desirable enough to purchase? Limited edition Jason Hogans boxers and panties. Or some seriously cool packaging, like Radiohead's Amnesiac or Ghostly's Disco Nouveau. Humans don't have enough collective integrity (or loot) to buy music simply on principle. I'm guilty, and I'm an artist. Sad. I do my best to support others, even if it means listening to webcasts like BBC or Nuwave Radio to hear decent tunes until I can afford to play catch up with releases. Regardless of what anybody says, there's too much good music out there for most people with an average income to purchase everything that they want. Its crazy competitive right now, almost as many labels as there are artists! Hey, that's the future. No large (or even medium sized?) record labels, just musicians who know their business. A zillion little rhythmic CEOs...Heavy. JPH.
Re: (313) record industry (technology) [was: Moby (cheddar)]
In a message dated 12/16/02 3:41:12 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: No large (or even medium sized?) record labels, just musicians who know their business. A zillion little rhythmic CEOs... That's where the issue lies. There's not enough musicians who know their business well enough to really know how to move units. Or willing to cough up the dough to hire a team who does. pw
Re: (313) record industry (technology) [was: Moby (cheddar)]
Amin. and let us hope... they will learn their lesson one day. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) record industry (technology) [was: Moby (cheddar)] Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 16:47:58 EST That's where the issue lies. There's not enough musicians who know their business well enough to really know how to move units. Or willing to cough up the dough to hire a team who does. pw _ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
(313) Moby
No Area 3? http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1459117/20021211/moby.jhtml
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It's almost surreal always seeing him in the headlines, it makes me think back to 1991 watching him performing at a rave in front of 500 people standing behind his SY 77 keyboard. Now he's making Millions of dollars in album sales, tv commercials endorsements (Microsoft). Can you imagine a black man with Moby's electronica, techno celebrity status? The American music industry wouldn't allow for something like that to happen, the irony is Moby rips off black music. Out of curiosity I was listing to one of his live performances from his last album and he was trying to sound like a black Baptist preacher, I feaaal it, I fl it, yeaaah... in a shaky, black tone of voice. I guess he was trying to sound gospel, making holy spirit and jesus refrences, I remember thinking how uncomfortable it would have been to actually attend that concert, like going to a Christian rock concert. The we are made of stars song he perfromed on SNL sounds a little more endurable, back to his rock n'roll roots I geuss. To make this a little more on topic I remember when Moby dissed Jeff Mills for still playing dominator back in 92-93. This was when Moby was getting tied of the techno genre.
Re: (313) Moby
Uh-uh, I inadvertently started this by posting that MTV story. I thought it was interesting Moby is calling an end to Area 1/2 more as I saw it as a possible economic/cultural indicator. Is it because 18 hasn't sold as well as Play? Or because corporations are nervous of supporting such events in the current economic climate? Or something to do with the clampdown on 'rave' culture in the US? I think we've discussed Moby a lot in the past on 313 and it hasn't ever got us anywhere - and, he he, I'm not his biggest fan. Anyway 18 didn't live up to Play in terms of sales and ironically I think that Eminem diss was very damaging indeed. This is probably less of a salient issue than it was in the middle of the Play phenom. I think things are changing. There is very, very innovative electronic music made by 'pop' black musicians right now, it's just not called 'techno' as such, but it is techno, if you know what I mean. There's the Neptunes - NERD - and Chad Hugo knows his techno and house and it's evidently an influence. Timbaland. And if Missy's Work It ain't a techno/electro record, I don't know what is?? That new Snoop single From Tha Chuuuch To Da Palace has a techno feel. I think Jeff Mills is very charismatic - and therefore marketable - within a certain culture (I'm talking international, not just US market). I'm a little biased but he is way more charismatic than most of the superstar DJs, actually all the Detroit DJs have charisma. Not to be mean, but John Digweed has no charisma at all and yet he is a big name in the US dance culture! Anyway, you can't always use record sales as a baromoter since not every one who would go to - and enjoy - a Mills DJ gig would buy a record of his. I think this is something the wider music industry has yet to come to terms with, other ways to measure success. How many people per year would hear Mills DJ? Not sure if any of that made sense. can you imagine a black man with Moby's electronica, techno celebrity status? The American music industry wouldn't allow for something like that to happen, the irony is Moby rips off black music. Are there any black techno people out that there make crappy rocktronica for the masses and possess marketable qualities at the same time? I think it has more to do with marketability than with the color of ones skin. Just look at Will Smith. Made crappy rap for the masses, a crappy tv sitcom for the masses, crappy movies for the masses. Presto, a 20 million a picture, platinum record selling, oscar nominated superstar that makes Moby and Eminem look small in comparison. Will Smith is black, but at the same time he is extremely marketable to a majority of people. Lets face it, Jeff Mills is brilliant but he is not marketable. If he stopped making quality techno and started making crappy rocktronica he would still have to jump the hurdle of marketable personality. There are reasons why the people/work we like are not products for mass consumption. Either there will be a huge shift in the rabble(possible but highly improbable) or there will be a shift in the people/work we like(possible but highly questionable). Sometimes contributing something meaningful and pure means more than being on the cover of rolling stone and making millions of dollars. If Jeff Mills or Carl Craig want to chase superstardom, fine, but they are not going to succeed at it by doing the stuff that only appealed to a niche audience/market(ie all of us). techno wrote: It's almost surreal always seeing him in the headlines, it makes me think back to 1991 watching him performing at a rave in front of 500 people standing behind his SY 77 keyboard. Now he's making Millions of dollars in album sales, tv commercials endorsements (Microsoft). Can you imagine a black man with Moby's electronica, techno celebrity status? The American music industry wouldn't allow for something like that to happen, the irony is Moby rips off black music. Out of curiosity I was listing to one of his live performances from his last album and he was trying to sound like a black Baptist preacher, I feaaal it, I fl it, yeaaah... in a shaky, black tone of voice. I guess he was trying to sound gospel, making holy spirit and jesus refrences, I remember thinking how uncomfortable it would have been to actually attend that concert, like going to a Christian rock concert. The we are made of stars song he perfromed on SNL sounds a little more endurable, back to his rock n'roll roots I geuss. To make this a little more on topic I remember when Moby dissed Jeff Mills for still playing dominator back in 92-93. This was when Moby was getting tied of the techno genre.
Re: (313) Moby
pardon my observation, but what people listen to has very little to do with the charisma of the artist. I know that a lot of people enjoy the anonymous aspect of electronic music. its nice to not recognize or be recognized sometimes imo of course - Original Message - From: Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 Detroit 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2002 12:52 PM Subject: Re: (313) Moby Uh-uh, I inadvertently started this by posting that MTV story. I thought it was interesting Moby is calling an end to Area 1/2 more as I saw it as a possible economic/cultural indicator. Is it because 18 hasn't sold as well as Play? Or because corporations are nervous of supporting such events in the current economic climate? Or something to do with the clampdown on 'rave' culture in the US? I think we've discussed Moby a lot in the past on 313 and it hasn't ever got us anywhere - and, he he, I'm not his biggest fan. Anyway 18 didn't live up to Play in terms of sales and ironically I think that Eminem diss was very damaging indeed. This is probably less of a salient issue than it was in the middle of the Play phenom. I think things are changing. There is very, very innovative electronic music made by 'pop' black musicians right now, it's just not called 'techno' as such, but it is techno, if you know what I mean. There's the Neptunes - NERD - and Chad Hugo knows his techno and house and it's evidently an influence. Timbaland. And if Missy's Work It ain't a techno/electro record, I don't know what is?? That new Snoop single From Tha Chuuuch To Da Palace has a techno feel. I think Jeff Mills is very charismatic - and therefore marketable - within a certain culture (I'm talking international, not just US market). I'm a little biased but he is way more charismatic than most of the superstar DJs, actually all the Detroit DJs have charisma. Not to be mean, but John Digweed has no charisma at all and yet he is a big name in the US dance culture! Anyway, you can't always use record sales as a baromoter since not every one who would go to - and enjoy - a Mills DJ gig would buy a record of his. I think this is something the wider music industry has yet to come to terms with, other ways to measure success. How many people per year would hear Mills DJ? Not sure if any of that made sense. can you imagine a black man with Moby's electronica, techno celebrity status? The American music industry wouldn't allow for something like that to happen, the irony is Moby rips off black music. Are there any black techno people out that there make crappy rocktronica for the masses and possess marketable qualities at the same time? I think it has more to do with marketability than with the color of ones skin. Just look at Will Smith. Made crappy rap for the masses, a crappy tv sitcom for the masses, crappy movies for the masses. Presto, a 20 million a picture, platinum record selling, oscar nominated superstar that makes Moby and Eminem look small in comparison. Will Smith is black, but at the same time he is extremely marketable to a majority of people. Lets face it, Jeff Mills is brilliant but he is not marketable. If he stopped making quality techno and started making crappy rocktronica he would still have to jump the hurdle of marketable personality. There are reasons why the people/work we like are not products for mass consumption. Either there will be a huge shift in the rabble(possible but highly improbable) or there will be a shift in the people/work we like(possible but highly questionable). Sometimes contributing something meaningful and pure means more than being on the cover of rolling stone and making millions of dollars. If Jeff Mills or Carl Craig want to chase superstardom, fine, but they are not going to succeed at it by doing the stuff that only appealed to a niche audience/market(ie all of us). techno wrote: It's almost surreal always seeing him in the headlines, it makes me think back to 1991 watching him performing at a rave in front of 500 people standing behind his SY 77 keyboard. Now he's making Millions of dollars in album sales, tv commercials endorsements (Microsoft). Can you imagine a black man with Moby's electronica, techno celebrity status? The American music industry wouldn't allow for something like that to happen, the irony is Moby rips off black music. Out of curiosity I was listing to one of his live performances from his last album and he was trying to sound like a black Baptist preacher, I feaaal it, I fl it, yeaaah... in a shaky, black tone of voice. I guess he was trying to sound gospel, making holy spirit and jesus refrences, I remember thinking how uncomfortable it would have been to actually attend that concert, like going to a Christian rock concert. The we are made of stars song he perfromed on SNL sounds a little more
Re: (313) Moby
Well presumably charisma gets you media attention, however you define it. But yeah the theory comes undone with John Digweed. ;) Inbox Message From: ::\) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: (313) Moby Date: 16/12/2002 5:17:02 To: Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313 Detroit 313@hyperreal.org pardon my observation, but what people listen to has very little to do with the charisma of the artist. I know that a lot of people enjoy the anonymous aspect of electronic music. its nice to not recognize or be recognized sometimes imo of course
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detroit artists are no different than artists anywhere else. a problem with *certain* detroit producers is they think they are much more important to the music than they are and they have a chip on their shoulder. I'm sure this happens everywhere, but detroit lives in its own little bubble. the more diversified my musical tastes become, the more I see detroit as somewhat close minded to new styles and new concepts. dont mistake a shxtty attitude or big ego for lack of charisma or discrimination based on race. I think its a cop-out for some people that dont want to take responsibility for their own actions. music falls into 2 main catagories: art and business. the businessmen who can also be artists tend to do better than the artists who have no sense of business and act like the world will beat down their doors if they make decent tracks. you have to sell yourself and you have to make connections. electronic musicians are more like orchestra conductors than rock stars. its not a high profile type of entertainment compared with other genres of popular music. if you wanna be a star, techno shouldnt be your music of choice from a production standpoint. - - Original Message - From: xx xx [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2002 1:55 PM Subject: Re: (313) Moby What majors companies look for is marketable products with manageable artists, with or without charisma. Artists from Detroit are charismatic but not manageable. Manageable in term of artists who always answer you're right to whatever could say a sell out AR at a major company who wants to sell to a sell-out crowd. From: Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 Detroit 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Moby Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 04:52:02 +1100 Uh-uh, I inadvertently started this by posting that MTV story. I thought it was interesting Moby is calling an end to Area 1/2 more as I saw it as a possible economic/cultural indicator. Is it because 18 hasn't sold as well as Play? Or because corporations are nervous of supporting such events in the current economic climate? Or something to do with the clampdown on 'rave' culture in the US? I think we've discussed Moby a lot in the past on 313 and it hasn't ever got us anywhere - and, he he, I'm not his biggest fan. Anyway 18 didn't live up to Play in terms of sales and ironically I think that Eminem diss was very damaging indeed. This is probably less of a salient issue than it was in the middle of the Play phenom. I think things are changing. There is very, very innovative electronic music made by 'pop' black musicians right now, it's just not called 'techno' as such, but it is techno, if you know what I mean. There's the Neptunes - NERD - and Chad Hugo knows his techno and house and it's evidently an influence. Timbaland. And if Missy's Work It ain't a techno/electro record, I don't know what is?? That new Snoop single From Tha Chuuuch To Da Palace has a techno feel. I think Jeff Mills is very charismatic - and therefore marketable - within a certain culture (I'm talking international, not just US market). I'm a little biased but he is way more charismatic than most of the superstar DJs, actually all the Detroit DJs have charisma. Not to be mean, but John Digweed has no charisma at all and yet he is a big name in the US dance culture! Anyway, you can't always use record sales as a baromoter since not every one who would go to - and enjoy - a Mills DJ gig would buy a record of his. I think this is something the wider music industry has yet to come to terms with, other ways to measure success. How many people per year would hear Mills DJ? Not sure if any of that made sense. can you imagine a black man with Moby's electronica, techno celebrity status? The American music industry wouldn't allow for something like that to happen, the irony is Moby rips off black music. Are there any black techno people out that there make crappy rocktronica for the masses and possess marketable qualities at the same time? I think it has more to do with marketability than with the color of ones skin. Just look at Will Smith. Made crappy rap for the masses, a crappy tv sitcom for the masses, crappy movies for the masses. Presto, a 20 million a picture, platinum record selling, oscar nominated superstar that makes Moby and Eminem look small in comparison. Will Smith is black, but at the same time he is extremely marketable to a majority of people. Lets face it, Jeff Mills is brilliant but he is not marketable. If he stopped making quality techno and started making crappy rocktronica he would still have to jump the hurdle of marketable personality. There are reasons why the people/work we like are not products for mass consumption. Either there will be a huge shift in the rabble(possible but highly improbable
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Of course there are different components to what makes someone marketable, charisma is just one, but someone else raised charisma and I responded to that. Inbox Message From: Adam [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: (313) Moby Date: 16/12/2002 6:04:44 To: 313 Detroit 313@hyperreal.org John Digweed has no charisma at all and yet he is a big name in the US dance culture! Is John Digweed good or he is DJ cheez for the masses? Charisma isnt the only factor. Moby is not big based solely on charisma alone, he also makes rocktronica or in layman's terms, techno cheeze for the masses. Will Smith didnt make it on charisma alone either, he makes cheezy products for a mass audience.
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Was not the debate. I don't buy assumptions and stereotypes. The issue is more deep than that and you know it. Get the global pictures, not just 2 weak arguments. We cannot debate in few lines this subject, is more than art and business, or ego and bubble. Refer to my email posted on March second, 2002 on the same list. And now if you want to debate do it off list because, sounds like your tone is a little bit biter and that could put us very far. But we are adult, so I know you'll do it. From: ::\) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: xx xx [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Moby Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 14:16:33 -0500 detroit artists are no different than artists anywhere else. a problem with *certain* detroit producers is they think they are much more important to the music than they are and they have a chip on their shoulder. I'm sure this happens everywhere, but detroit lives in its own little bubble. the more diversified my musical tastes become, the more I see detroit as somewhat close minded to new styles and new concepts. dont mistake a shxtty attitude or big ego for lack of charisma or discrimination based on race. I think its a cop-out for some people that dont want to take responsibility for their own actions. music falls into 2 main catagories: art and business. the businessmen who can also be artists tend to do better than the artists who have no sense of business and act like the world will beat down their doors if they make decent tracks. you have to sell yourself and you have to make connections. electronic musicians are more like orchestra conductors than rock stars. its not a high profile type of entertainment compared with other genres of popular music. if you wanna be a star, techno shouldnt be your music of choice from a production standpoint. - - Original Message - From: xx xx [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2002 1:55 PM Subject: Re: (313) Moby What majors companies look for is marketable products with manageable artists, with or without charisma. Artists from Detroit are charismatic but not manageable. Manageable in term of artists who always answer you're right to whatever could say a sell out AR at a major company who wants to sell to a sell-out crowd. From: Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 Detroit 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Moby Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 04:52:02 +1100 Uh-uh, I inadvertently started this by posting that MTV story. I thought it was interesting Moby is calling an end to Area 1/2 more as I saw it as a possible economic/cultural indicator. Is it because 18 hasn't sold as well as Play? Or because corporations are nervous of supporting such events in the current economic climate? Or something to do with the clampdown on 'rave' culture in the US? I think we've discussed Moby a lot in the past on 313 and it hasn't ever got us anywhere - and, he he, I'm not his biggest fan. Anyway 18 didn't live up to Play in terms of sales and ironically I think that Eminem diss was very damaging indeed. This is probably less of a salient issue than it was in the middle of the Play phenom. I think things are changing. There is very, very innovative electronic music made by 'pop' black musicians right now, it's just not called 'techno' as such, but it is techno, if you know what I mean. There's the Neptunes - NERD - and Chad Hugo knows his techno and house and it's evidently an influence. Timbaland. And if Missy's Work It ain't a techno/electro record, I don't know what is?? That new Snoop single From Tha Chuuuch To Da Palace has a techno feel. I think Jeff Mills is very charismatic - and therefore marketable - within a certain culture (I'm talking international, not just US market). I'm a little biased but he is way more charismatic than most of the superstar DJs, actually all the Detroit DJs have charisma. Not to be mean, but John Digweed has no charisma at all and yet he is a big name in the US dance culture! Anyway, you can't always use record sales as a baromoter since not every one who would go to - and enjoy - a Mills DJ gig would buy a record of his. I think this is something the wider music industry has yet to come to terms with, other ways to measure success. How many people per year would hear Mills DJ? Not sure if any of that made sense. can you imagine a black man with Moby's electronica, techno celebrity status? The American music industry wouldn't allow for something like that to happen, the irony is Moby rips off black music. Are there any black techno people out that there make crappy rocktronica for the masses and possess marketable qualities at the same time? I think it has more to do with marketability than with the color of ones skin. Just look at Will Smith. Made crappy rap for the masses, a crappy tv sitcom for the masses, crappy movies
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my apologies, I didnt intend to sound bitter. Im just speaking based on my experiences. detroit is different than any other place on earth and not always for the better. its very very territorial. my hope is that the demfs break down the walls and expose the great minds in detroit to the sounds of the other electronic music hotspots. if you're from detroit and you dont make detroit techno and its easier to get shows in europe than it is in detroit, thats indicitive of something, dont you think? detroit has a sound and we're all proud of it, but I'd like to see more diversity. thats not bitter, thats just wishing detroit the best. diversity means more listeners = more events and more opportunities to perpertuate the detroit influence on all genres of electronic music. again, Im not debating anything with anyone, Im just stating my opinions based on my experiences. - Original Message - From: xx xx [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2002 5:11 PM Subject: Re: (313) Moby Was not the debate. I don't buy assumptions and stereotypes. The issue is more deep than that and you know it. Get the global pictures, not just 2 weak arguments. We cannot debate in few lines this subject, is more than art and business, or ego and bubble. Refer to my email posted on March second, 2002 on the same list. And now if you want to debate do it off list because, sounds like your tone is a little bit biter and that could put us very far. But we are adult, so I know you'll do it. From: ::\) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: xx xx [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Moby Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 14:16:33 -0500 detroit artists are no different than artists anywhere else. a problem with *certain* detroit producers is they think they are much more important to the music than they are and they have a chip on their shoulder. I'm sure this happens everywhere, but detroit lives in its own little bubble. the more diversified my musical tastes become, the more I see detroit as somewhat close minded to new styles and new concepts. dont mistake a shxtty attitude or big ego for lack of charisma or discrimination based on race. I think its a cop-out for some people that dont want to take responsibility for their own actions. music falls into 2 main catagories: art and business. the businessmen who can also be artists tend to do better than the artists who have no sense of business and act like the world will beat down their doors if they make decent tracks. you have to sell yourself and you have to make connections. electronic musicians are more like orchestra conductors than rock stars. its not a high profile type of entertainment compared with other genres of popular music. if you wanna be a star, techno shouldnt be your music of choice from a production standpoint. - - Original Message - From: xx xx [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2002 1:55 PM Subject: Re: (313) Moby What majors companies look for is marketable products with manageable artists, with or without charisma. Artists from Detroit are charismatic but not manageable. Manageable in term of artists who always answer you're right to whatever could say a sell out AR at a major company who wants to sell to a sell-out crowd. From: Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 Detroit 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Moby Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 04:52:02 +1100 Uh-uh, I inadvertently started this by posting that MTV story. I thought it was interesting Moby is calling an end to Area 1/2 more as I saw it as a possible economic/cultural indicator. Is it because 18 hasn't sold as well as Play? Or because corporations are nervous of supporting such events in the current economic climate? Or something to do with the clampdown on 'rave' culture in the US? I think we've discussed Moby a lot in the past on 313 and it hasn't ever got us anywhere - and, he he, I'm not his biggest fan. Anyway 18 didn't live up to Play in terms of sales and ironically I think that Eminem diss was very damaging indeed. This is probably less of a salient issue than it was in the middle of the Play phenom. I think things are changing. There is very, very innovative electronic music made by 'pop' black musicians right now, it's just not called 'techno' as such, but it is techno, if you know what I mean. There's the Neptunes - NERD - and Chad Hugo knows his techno and house and it's evidently an influence. Timbaland. And if Missy's Work It ain't a techno/electro record, I don't know what is?? That new Snoop single From Tha Chuuuch To Da Palace has a techno feel. I think Jeff Mills is very charismatic - and therefore marketable - within a certain culture (I'm talking international, not just US
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on 12/15/02 9:48 AM, Adam Haupt at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are there any black techno people out that there make crappy rocktronica for the masses and possess marketable qualities at the same time? Why cant a Carl Craig or Cajmere character achieve pop music stardom? Will Smith is black, but at the same time he is extremely marketable to a majority of people. Will Smith?! what does he have to do with techno? on 12/15/02 11:52 AM, Cyclone Wehner at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's the Neptunes - NERD - and Chad Hugo knows his techno and house and it's evidently an influence. Timbaland. And if Missy's Work It ain't a techno/electro record, I don't know what is?? That new Snoop single From Tha Chuuuch To Da Palace has a techno feel.\ Cyclone you live in Australia. Anyway, you can't always use record sales as a baromoter since not every one who would go to - and enjoy - a Mills DJ gig would buy a record of his. I think this is something the wider music industry has yet to come to terms with, other ways to measure success. How many people per year would hear Mills DJ? Not sure if any of that made sense. Jeff Mills can only sell out a hand full a good sized venues in select US cities, Paul Okenfold on the other hand can go on a fifty state tour and easily sell out each venue.
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Jeff Mills can only sell out a hand full a good sized venues in select US cities, Paul Okenfold on the other hand can go on a fifty state tour and easily sell out each venue. Not true. A couple of weeks ago Oakenfold drew less than half capacity in Boston (the Catholic priest child molesting capital of the world). telepathic regards, the kooky scientist
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and truth be told, a lot of electronic music is released without the artist making much of anything off the record/CD sales. its kinda a prerequisite to doing better live shows, which is where the money (if any) is. - Original Message - From: techno [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2002 5:11 PM Subject: Re: (313) Moby on 12/15/02 9:48 AM, Adam Haupt at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are there any black techno people out that there make crappy rocktronica for the masses and possess marketable qualities at the same time? Why cant a Carl Craig or Cajmere character achieve pop music stardom? Will Smith is black, but at the same time he is extremely marketable to a majority of people. Will Smith?! what does he have to do with techno? on 12/15/02 11:52 AM, Cyclone Wehner at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's the Neptunes - NERD - and Chad Hugo knows his techno and house and it's evidently an influence. Timbaland. And if Missy's Work It ain't a techno/electro record, I don't know what is?? That new Snoop single From Tha Chuuuch To Da Palace has a techno feel.\ Cyclone you live in Australia. Anyway, you can't always use record sales as a baromoter since not every one who would go to - and enjoy - a Mills DJ gig would buy a record of his. I think this is something the wider music industry has yet to come to terms with, other ways to measure success. How many people per year would hear Mills DJ? Not sure if any of that made sense. Jeff Mills can only sell out a hand full a good sized venues in select US cities, Paul Okenfold on the other hand can go on a fifty state tour and easily sell out each venue.
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sorry all, this was not intended for the list. - Original Message - From: ::) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: FRED giannelli [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Matthew L. Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 5:54 PM Subject: Re: (313) Moby assaulted my condolances fred. give my best wishes to your family -Joe DelCimmuto - Original Message - From: FRED giannelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Matthew L. Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 5:47 PM Subject: Re: (313) Moby assaulted Well it wasn't me, I was too busy dealing with this. http://www.boston.com/dailynews/344/sports/Joseph_Giannelli_popular_UConn:.s html Actually, I met Moby once and told him that my Uncle was @ UConn. I guess Moby studied philosophy there for a little while. Perhaps the assailants where radical anti-Catholics. Now that the Pope has accepted Cardinal Law before the whole institution gets condemned for crimes against humanity. What a bunch of drama queens announcing such a controversial resignation on Friday the 13th !!! Maybe the assailants were just drunken rednecks who mistook Moby for a wannabe Saint. Or else just a bunch of Boston a--holes. telepathic regards, the kooky scientist on 12/13/02 5:27 PM, Matthew L. Thompson at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I haven't been paying too close attention to most of the discussion on 313 the last few days, but please pardon me if this story has made the list already... Matt www.magicmattkelly.com - http://www.azcentral.com/offbeat/articles/1213MobyAttack13-ON.html Associated Press Dec. 13, 2002 07:15 AM BOSTON - Techno artist Moby was attacked by two men while signing autographs outside a nightclub following a radio station-sponsored holiday concert, police said. According to police and witnesses, Moby, whose real name is Richard M. Melville, was approached by the men about 1 a.m. Thursday outside the Paradise Rock Club. One of the men punched Moby in the back of the head and on the right side of his face, breaking the singer's glasses and cutting and bruising his face. When two club security guards tried to stop the attack, the assailants sprayed a mace-like substance at Moby, Moby's manager and the guards, and then fled, police said. Moby, 37, declined medical attention. The assailants said nothing during the attack, and the motive is unknown, said Paradise manager Jeff Marshall. During the concert, Moby, a self-described pacifist, had spoken out against aggression and violence. He wrote on his Web site that he is not angry about the attack, just mystified about the motive. He has asked the attackers to post an explanation. Moby is electronic music's first bona fide superstar. His 1999 album Play sold 10 million copies. For the past two years, the Connecticut native has headlined a touring festival that has featured guests such as David Bowie.
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For being the biggest Techno artist around it's a little disheartening that the AP/CNN can't get his last name right... ...Moby, whose real name is Richard M. Melville... J - Original Message - From: ian cheshire [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mark S. Krüx [EMAIL PROTECTED]; ::) [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Matthew L. Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 2:47 PM Subject: RE: (313) Moby assaulted yeah i saw this earlier today while surfing dj-sets and saw the article.. man poor guy.. -Original Message- From: Mark S. Krüx [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 13 December 2002 22:41 To: ::); Matthew L. Thompson; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Moby assaulted Im no moby fan, but he surely doesnt deserve physical harm I think we can all agree on the above... Laters, m* --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.427 / Virus Database: 240 - Release Date: 06/12/02 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.427 / Virus Database: 240 - Release Date: 06/12/02
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Yes, I thought his correct name was Richard M. Hall, is it not? I was beginning to wonder how many aliases Moby had Matt [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.magicmattkelly.com - Original Message - From: JMG [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 9:04 PM Subject: Re: (313) Moby assaulted For being the biggest Techno artist around it's a little disheartening that the AP/CNN can't get his last name right... ...Moby, whose real name is Richard M. Melville... J
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I haven't been paying too close attention to most of the discussion on 313 the last few days, but please pardon me if this story has made the list already... Matt www.magicmattkelly.com - http://www.azcentral.com/offbeat/articles/1213MobyAttack13-ON.html Associated Press Dec. 13, 2002 07:15 AM BOSTON - Techno artist Moby was attacked by two men while signing autographs outside a nightclub following a radio station-sponsored holiday concert, police said. According to police and witnesses, Moby, whose real name is Richard M. Melville, was approached by the men about 1 a.m. Thursday outside the Paradise Rock Club. One of the men punched Moby in the back of the head and on the right side of his face, breaking the singer's glasses and cutting and bruising his face. When two club security guards tried to stop the attack, the assailants sprayed a mace-like substance at Moby, Moby's manager and the guards, and then fled, police said. Moby, 37, declined medical attention. The assailants said nothing during the attack, and the motive is unknown, said Paradise manager Jeff Marshall. During the concert, Moby, a self-described pacifist, had spoken out against aggression and violence. He wrote on his Web site that he is not angry about the attack, just mystified about the motive. He has asked the attackers to post an explanation. Moby is electronic music's first bona fide superstar. His 1999 album Play sold 10 million copies. For the past two years, the Connecticut native has headlined a touring festival that has featured guests such as David Bowie.
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like moby or not, but I hope this doesnt trigger a slew of Im glad he got beat up emails. that would be truely disappointing and really not true to the openness and serenity of the techno crowd as a whole. I hope he recovers and that if they are eminem fans, that eminem comes out and shames these idiots on in some public way. Im no moby fan, but he surely doesnt deserve physical harm -Joe - Original Message - From: Matthew L. Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 5:27 PM Subject: (313) Moby assaulted I haven't been paying too close attention to most of the discussion on 313 the last few days, but please pardon me if this story has made the list already... Matt www.magicmattkelly.com - http://www.azcentral.com/offbeat/articles/1213MobyAttack13-ON.html Associated Press Dec. 13, 2002 07:15 AM BOSTON - Techno artist Moby was attacked by two men while signing autographs outside a nightclub following a radio station-sponsored holiday concert, police said. According to police and witnesses, Moby, whose real name is Richard M. Melville, was approached by the men about 1 a.m. Thursday outside the Paradise Rock Club. One of the men punched Moby in the back of the head and on the right side of his face, breaking the singer's glasses and cutting and bruising his face. When two club security guards tried to stop the attack, the assailants sprayed a mace-like substance at Moby, Moby's manager and the guards, and then fled, police said. Moby, 37, declined medical attention. The assailants said nothing during the attack, and the motive is unknown, said Paradise manager Jeff Marshall. During the concert, Moby, a self-described pacifist, had spoken out against aggression and violence. He wrote on his Web site that he is not angry about the attack, just mystified about the motive. He has asked the attackers to post an explanation. Moby is electronic music's first bona fide superstar. His 1999 album Play sold 10 million copies. For the past two years, the Connecticut native has headlined a touring festival that has featured guests such as David Bowie.
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Im no moby fan, but he surely doesnt deserve physical harm I think we can all agree on the above... Laters, m*
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Well it wasn't me, I was too busy dealing with this. http://www.boston.com/dailynews/344/sports/Joseph_Giannelli_popular_UConn:.s html Actually, I met Moby once and told him that my Uncle was @ UConn. I guess Moby studied philosophy there for a little while. Perhaps the assailants where radical anti-Catholics. Now that the Pope has accepted Cardinal Law before the whole institution gets condemned for crimes against humanity. What a bunch of drama queens announcing such a controversial resignation on Friday the 13th !!! Maybe the assailants were just drunken rednecks who mistook Moby for a wannabe Saint. Or else just a bunch of Boston a--holes. telepathic regards, the kooky scientist on 12/13/02 5:27 PM, Matthew L. Thompson at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I haven't been paying too close attention to most of the discussion on 313 the last few days, but please pardon me if this story has made the list already... Matt www.magicmattkelly.com - http://www.azcentral.com/offbeat/articles/1213MobyAttack13-ON.html Associated Press Dec. 13, 2002 07:15 AM BOSTON - Techno artist Moby was attacked by two men while signing autographs outside a nightclub following a radio station-sponsored holiday concert, police said. According to police and witnesses, Moby, whose real name is Richard M. Melville, was approached by the men about 1 a.m. Thursday outside the Paradise Rock Club. One of the men punched Moby in the back of the head and on the right side of his face, breaking the singer's glasses and cutting and bruising his face. When two club security guards tried to stop the attack, the assailants sprayed a mace-like substance at Moby, Moby's manager and the guards, and then fled, police said. Moby, 37, declined medical attention. The assailants said nothing during the attack, and the motive is unknown, said Paradise manager Jeff Marshall. During the concert, Moby, a self-described pacifist, had spoken out against aggression and violence. He wrote on his Web site that he is not angry about the attack, just mystified about the motive. He has asked the attackers to post an explanation. Moby is electronic music's first bona fide superstar. His 1999 album Play sold 10 million copies. For the past two years, the Connecticut native has headlined a touring festival that has featured guests such as David Bowie.
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yeah i saw this earlier today while surfing dj-sets and saw the article.. man poor guy.. -Original Message- From: Mark S. Krüx [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 13 December 2002 22:41 To: ::); Matthew L. Thompson; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Moby assaulted Im no moby fan, but he surely doesnt deserve physical harm I think we can all agree on the above... Laters, m* --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.427 / Virus Database: 240 - Release Date: 06/12/02 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.427 / Virus Database: 240 - Release Date: 06/12/02
Re: (313) Moby assaulted
my condolances fred. give my best wishes to your family -Joe DelCimmuto - Original Message - From: FRED giannelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Matthew L. Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 5:47 PM Subject: Re: (313) Moby assaulted Well it wasn't me, I was too busy dealing with this. http://www.boston.com/dailynews/344/sports/Joseph_Giannelli_popular_UConn:.s html Actually, I met Moby once and told him that my Uncle was @ UConn. I guess Moby studied philosophy there for a little while. Perhaps the assailants where radical anti-Catholics. Now that the Pope has accepted Cardinal Law before the whole institution gets condemned for crimes against humanity. What a bunch of drama queens announcing such a controversial resignation on Friday the 13th !!! Maybe the assailants were just drunken rednecks who mistook Moby for a wannabe Saint. Or else just a bunch of Boston a--holes. telepathic regards, the kooky scientist on 12/13/02 5:27 PM, Matthew L. Thompson at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I haven't been paying too close attention to most of the discussion on 313 the last few days, but please pardon me if this story has made the list already... Matt www.magicmattkelly.com - http://www.azcentral.com/offbeat/articles/1213MobyAttack13-ON.html Associated Press Dec. 13, 2002 07:15 AM BOSTON - Techno artist Moby was attacked by two men while signing autographs outside a nightclub following a radio station-sponsored holiday concert, police said. According to police and witnesses, Moby, whose real name is Richard M. Melville, was approached by the men about 1 a.m. Thursday outside the Paradise Rock Club. One of the men punched Moby in the back of the head and on the right side of his face, breaking the singer's glasses and cutting and bruising his face. When two club security guards tried to stop the attack, the assailants sprayed a mace-like substance at Moby, Moby's manager and the guards, and then fled, police said. Moby, 37, declined medical attention. The assailants said nothing during the attack, and the motive is unknown, said Paradise manager Jeff Marshall. During the concert, Moby, a self-described pacifist, had spoken out against aggression and violence. He wrote on his Web site that he is not angry about the attack, just mystified about the motive. He has asked the attackers to post an explanation. Moby is electronic music's first bona fide superstar. His 1999 album Play sold 10 million copies. For the past two years, the Connecticut native has headlined a touring festival that has featured guests such as David Bowie.
Re[2]: (313) Moby assaulted
like moby or not, but I hope this doesnt trigger a slew of Im glad he got beat up emails. Definitely nothing funny about Moby getting roughed up, though I'll admit, if he had been assaulted with a harpoon by a vengeful sea captain, I might've had to stifle a laugh. - Brian balistic Prince http://www.bprince.com - art and techno Strokes of Defiance EP . . . soon.
RE: Re[2]: (313) Moby assaulted
LOL -Original Message- From: Brian 'balistic' Prince [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 13 December 2002 23:15 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re[2]: (313) Moby assaulted like moby or not, but I hope this doesnt trigger a slew of Im glad he got beat up emails. Definitely nothing funny about Moby getting roughed up, though I'll admit, if he had been assaulted with a harpoon by a vengeful sea captain, I might've had to stifle a laugh. - Brian balistic Prince http://www.bprince.com - art and techno Strokes of Defiance EP . . . soon. --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.427 / Virus Database: 240 - Release Date: 06/12/02 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.427 / Virus Database: 240 - Release Date: 06/12/02
[313] Fw: Moby - South Bank Show Special...
Oh, I just know there'll be loads of people on the list watching this... :-) Subject: Moby - South Bank Show Special... MOBY THE SOUTH BANK SHOW Sunday 14th July at 10.45pm - ITV After the success of Play, which sold over 10 million copies worldwide, Moby is back with a new album, 18. The South Bank Show has been there to document this exciting time in Moby's life and career and travels back to where it all began. They visit Harlem, where Moby was born, and the New England town of Darien, where he was brought up. Moby's best friend, artist Damian Loeb, discloses how Moby's childhood has helped to make him the person he is and how it has influenced his creative drive. The program goes on to chart Moby's early career as a nightclub DJ in New York and then as a successful techno/dance music artist with tracks such as 'Go!' In an exclusive interview at his home studio in New York, Moby shares many of the secrets of his creative processes and talks candidly about his life and career. The film also explores the reasons behind Play's success, including why the album was such a slow-burner. As they view the exciting new developments in Moby's career, the South Bank Show program includes exclusive footage of Moby's sensational concert to launch the new album in Manhattan and behind-the-scenes footage from the set of the video for his new single, 'Extreme Ways', out on 19th August. Produced and directed by Mathew Tucker. The South Bank Show programme will be shown on Sunday 14th July at 10.45pm on ITV. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] Fw: Moby - South Bank Show Special...
Im no moby fan..however they showed you his nyc apartment on MTV cribs and he's got a *lush* studio setup (git) ;) Marc -Original Message- From: Tom Robbins/Magic Feet [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 2:06 PM To: 313 mailing list Subject: [313] Fw: Moby - South Bank Show Special... Oh, I just know there'll be loads of people on the list watching this... :-) Subject: Moby - South Bank Show Special... MOBY THE SOUTH BANK SHOW Sunday 14th July at 10.45pm - ITV After the success of Play, which sold over 10 million copies worldwide, Moby is back with a new album, 18. The South Bank Show has been there to document this exciting time in Moby's life and career and travels back to where it all began. They visit Harlem, where Moby was born, and the New England town of Darien, where he was brought up. Moby's best friend, artist Damian Loeb, discloses how Moby's childhood has helped to make him the person he is and how it has influenced his creative drive. The program goes on to chart Moby's early career as a nightclub DJ in New York and then as a successful techno/dance music artist with tracks such as 'Go!' In an exclusive interview at his home studio in New York, Moby shares many of the secrets of his creative processes and talks candidly about his life and career. The film also explores the reasons behind Play's success, including why the album was such a slow-burner. As they view the exciting new developments in Moby's career, the South Bank Show program includes exclusive footage of Moby's sensational concert to launch the new album in Manhattan and behind-the-scenes footage from the set of the video for his new single, 'Extreme Ways', out on 19th August. Produced and directed by Mathew Tucker. The South Bank Show programme will be shown on Sunday 14th July at 10.45pm on ITV. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- This message is intended only for the personal and confidential use of the designated recipient(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. This communication is for information purposes only and should not be regarded as an offer to sell or as a solicitation of an offer to buy any financial product, an official confirmation of any transaction, or as an official statement of Lehman Brothers. Email transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free. Therefore, we do not represent that this information is complete or accurate and it should not be relied upon as such. All information is subject to change without notice. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] Moby/Daily Show
moby was on the daily show on monday. he talked about eminem and how he dis'ed him and a photo shoot for Q. he said he thought it was funny because he dis'ed him for making techno and moby said he thought that was funny because he had not made a techno album in 11 years. he also said he was hurt by eminem ripping on him for being old. you can watch on the net at : it's in the top row and you can't miss moby bald dome. http://www.comedycentral.com/timewasters/dl_general.jhtml ?show=ds scotto - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Interesting wrinkle in the Eminem/Moby debacle
MTV has always used great music for incidental while completely ignoring it otherwise. I remember the first season of road rules being completely accompanied by Pell Mell. Or hearing My Bloody Valentine played underneith the VJ as they introduced Pearl Jam same-o same -old On Fri, 3 May 2002, sean deason wrote: I too am starting to think someone at MTV *is* in the Detroit Techno Closet?. In addition to hearing Carl's At Les used *numerous* times, various tracks from my Allegory Metaphor have been utilized on 2 epsiodes of The Real World (Chicago) and 3 episodes of Celebrity Undercover. I've also heard a Disco D track on the Real World this season. But nobody listens to techno. :^) I like Cyclones idea. I'm waiting for the new Eminem album to come out so I can sample the hell out of it. I wont get caught because nobody listens anyways. sean grand larceny deason Brian 'balistic' Prince wrote: Just caught a few minutes of Making the Video on MTV, featuring Eminem, hero to dim adolescent white boys everywhere. While the Real Slim Maybe explains his Moby dis, an interesting juxtaposition of ideologies occurs . . . the segment uses Carl Craig's At Les as filler music between clips. We go straight from C2's masterpiece to watching M2 lipsync don't nobody listen to techno while pretending to play a keyboard and do yoga. It struck me as a really odd choice of fill music, considering the show's usual diet of high-energy fromage. Coincidence? Intentional dig? Intentional placement by a closeted 313 fan? One wonders . . . Hope Carl got paid anyway. Apologies if someone already noticed this . . . I don't recall seeing it mentioned, but then I was on vacation for a bit. As an aside, I finished the illustration of the robot girl I was working on a while back: http://www.bprince.com/GallyFinal.jpg -- Brian balistic Prince http://www.bprince.com - art and techno - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] Interesting wrinkle in the Eminem/Moby debacle
Just caught a few minutes of Making the Video on MTV, featuring Eminem, hero to dim adolescent white boys everywhere. While the Real Slim Maybe explains his Moby dis, an interesting juxtaposition of ideologies occurs . . . the segment uses Carl Craig's At Les as filler music between clips. We go straight from C2's masterpiece to watching M2 lipsync don't nobody listen to techno while pretending to play a keyboard and do yoga. It struck me as a really odd choice of fill music, considering the show's usual diet of high-energy fromage. Coincidence? Intentional dig? Intentional placement by a closeted 313 fan? One wonders . . . Hope Carl got paid anyway. Apologies if someone already noticed this . . . I don't recall seeing it mentioned, but then I was on vacation for a bit. As an aside, I finished the illustration of the robot girl I was working on a while back: http://www.bprince.com/GallyFinal.jpg -- Brian balistic Prince http://www.bprince.com - art and techno - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Interesting wrinkle in the Eminem/Moby debacle
Like I say someone in Detroit should do a diss record, and not DJ Assault, someone more purist techno. Anyway I interviewed Boy George last night and he is planning a Enimem song on his new album which will go far beyond the Pet Shop Boys one, so I think Em's work will be cut out for him in answering them all, unless he develps a Twista style rap technique... -- From: Brian 'balistic' Prince [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] Interesting wrinkle in the Eminem/Moby debacle Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 2:36 PM Just caught a few minutes of Making the Video on MTV, featuring Eminem, hero to dim adolescent white boys everywhere. While the Real Slim Maybe explains his Moby dis, an interesting juxtaposition of ideologies occurs . . . the segment uses Carl Craig's At Les as filler music between clips. We go straight from C2's masterpiece to watching M2 lipsync don't nobody listen to techno while pretending to play a keyboard and do yoga. It struck me as a really odd choice of fill music, considering the show's usual diet of high-energy fromage. Coincidence? Intentional dig? Intentional placement by a closeted 313 fan? One wonders . . . Hope Carl got paid anyway. Apologies if someone already noticed this . . . I don't recall seeing it mentioned, but then I was on vacation for a bit. As an aside, I finished the illustration of the robot girl I was working on a while back: http://www.bprince.com/GallyFinal.jpg -- Brian balistic Prince http://www.bprince.com - art and techno - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Interesting wrinkle in the Eminem/Moby debacle
I too am starting to think someone at MTV *is* in the Detroit Techno Closet®. In addition to hearing Carl's At Les used *numerous* times, various tracks from my Allegory Metaphor have been utilized on 2 epsiodes of The Real World (Chicago) and 3 episodes of Celebrity Undercover. I've also heard a Disco D track on the Real World this season. But nobody listens to techno. :^) I like Cyclones idea. I'm waiting for the new Eminem album to come out so I can sample the hell out of it. I wont get caught because nobody listens anyways. sean grand larceny deason Brian 'balistic' Prince wrote: Just caught a few minutes of Making the Video on MTV, featuring Eminem, hero to dim adolescent white boys everywhere. While the Real Slim Maybe explains his Moby dis, an interesting juxtaposition of ideologies occurs . . . the segment uses Carl Craig's At Les as filler music between clips. We go straight from C2's masterpiece to watching M2 lipsync don't nobody listen to techno while pretending to play a keyboard and do yoga. It struck me as a really odd choice of fill music, considering the show's usual diet of high-energy fromage. Coincidence? Intentional dig? Intentional placement by a closeted 313 fan? One wonders . . . Hope Carl got paid anyway. Apologies if someone already noticed this . . . I don't recall seeing it mentioned, but then I was on vacation for a bit. As an aside, I finished the illustration of the robot girl I was working on a while back: http://www.bprince.com/GallyFinal.jpg -- Brian balistic Prince http://www.bprince.com - art and techno - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Interesting wrinkle in the Eminem/Moby debacle
did you get paid, sean? on 3/5/02 3:56 pm, sean deason at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I too am starting to think someone at MTV *is* in the Detroit Techno Closet®. In addition to hearing Carl's At Les used *numerous* times, various tracks from my Allegory Metaphor have been utilized on 2 epsiodes of The Real World (Chicago) and 3 episodes of Celebrity Undercover. I've also heard a Disco D track on the Real World this season. But nobody listens to techno. :^) I like Cyclones idea. I'm waiting for the new Eminem album to come out so I can sample the hell out of it. I wont get caught because nobody listens anyways. sean grand larceny deason Brian 'balistic' Prince wrote: Just caught a few minutes of Making the Video on MTV, featuring Eminem, hero to dim adolescent white boys everywhere. While the Real Slim Maybe explains his Moby dis, an interesting juxtaposition of ideologies occurs . . . the segment uses Carl Craig's At Les as filler music between clips. We go straight from C2's masterpiece to watching M2 lipsync don't nobody listen to techno while pretending to play a keyboard and do yoga. It struck me as a really odd choice of fill music, considering the show's usual diet of high-energy fromage. Coincidence? Intentional dig? Intentional placement by a closeted 313 fan? One wonders . . . Hope Carl got paid anyway. Apologies if someone already noticed this . . . I don't recall seeing it mentioned, but then I was on vacation for a bit. As an aside, I finished the illustration of the robot girl I was working on a while back: http://www.bprince.com/GallyFinal.jpg -- Brian balistic Prince http://www.bprince.com - art and techno - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I know this is OT but anyone seen this FACE cover? http://breschnev.homestead.com/files/thepinkface.jpg Apparently mnm payed the FACE £100,000 pounds not to run with it?! Why? 'cos he looked gay. George dropshift.org - Original Message - From: Tim Maughan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Brian 'balistic' Prince [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 4:38 PM Subject: Re: [313] Interesting wrinkle in the Eminem/Moby debacle did you get paid, sean? on 3/5/02 3:56 pm, sean deason at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I too am starting to think someone at MTV *is* in the Detroit Techno Closet®. In addition to hearing Carl's At Les used *numerous* times, various tracks from my Allegory Metaphor have been utilized on 2 epsiodes of The Real World (Chicago) and 3 episodes of Celebrity Undercover. I've also heard a Disco D track on the Real World this season. But nobody listens to techno. :^) I like Cyclones idea. I'm waiting for the new Eminem album to come out so I can sample the hell out of it. I wont get caught because nobody listens anyways. sean grand larceny deason Brian 'balistic' Prince wrote: Just caught a few minutes of Making the Video on MTV, featuring Eminem, hero to dim adolescent white boys everywhere. While the Real Slim Maybe explains his Moby dis, an interesting juxtaposition of ideologies occurs . . . the segment uses Carl Craig's At Les as filler music between clips. We go straight from C2's masterpiece to watching M2 lipsync don't nobody listen to techno while pretending to play a keyboard and do yoga. It struck me as a really odd choice of fill music, considering the show's usual diet of high-energy fromage. Coincidence? Intentional dig? Intentional placement by a closeted 313 fan? One wonders . . . Hope Carl got paid anyway. Apologies if someone already noticed this . . . I don't recall seeing it mentioned, but then I was on vacation for a bit. As an aside, I finished the illustration of the robot girl I was working on a while back: http://www.bprince.com/GallyFinal.jpg -- Brian balistic Prince http://www.bprince.com - art and techno - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Fw: Moby Responds To Eminem...
I heard there is a sensational (officially, as opposed to speculatively) gay rapper in Detroit actually! Anyone know his name? esQuire see http://www.metrotimes.com/mtframes.asp?Page=/editorial/story.asp?id=3014 http://www.queenbeehoney.homestead.com/esQuire.html - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
FW: [313] somewhat OT: Moby, Eminem, Dr. Dre, Pet Shop Boys, JJ F ad, Hip House and other current threads
hear, hear. that moby remix of miserablism is fantastic. such a great song. anyone know if that's an actual 303 on it? i'm a huge, and unashamed pet shop boys fan. and i love their very acoustic new album, ESPECIALLY the eminem track (which is actually the next to last.) 313 content: anyone ever heard the various 313 remixes of the PSB? terrence parker and mk have both done fantastic PSB mixes (i wouldn't normally do that kind of thing and can you forgive her). kevin saunderson did a couple less spectacular mixes of go west, including one with the word trance in the title (!!). eddie fowlkes did a very strange remix of i want a dog, if i'm not mistaken. and the psb themselves did a pretty good, though limited-edition, somewhat detroity techno album called relentless. almost all of this technoid psb stuff was around 93/4 - since then they've unfortunately graduated to plodding house and prog-trance mixes (though they did cover maze's house classic break 4 love last year). additional 313 content: anyone ever noticed that one of the dre-produced tracks on jj fad's self-titled debut album samples basically its entire backing track from model 500's nite drive thru babylon? i recently got their second album (i'm a sucker for cheesy female pop-rap groups - le trimm rules!) and it's a seriously hilarious hip-house album from hell. no wonder it killed their careers. brian -Original Message- From: kelli b kavanaugh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 9:49 AM To: Cyclone Wehner; 313 Detroit Subject: Re: [313] Fw: Moby Responds To Eminem... I heard there is a sensational (officially, as opposed to speculatively) gay rapper in Detroit actually! Anyone know his name? esQuire see http://www.metrotimes.com/mtframes.asp?Page=/editorial/story.asp?id=3014 http://www.queenbeehoney.homestead.com/esQuire.html - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] somewhat OT: Moby, Eminem, Dr. Dre, Pet Shop Boys, JJ Fad, Hip House and other current threads
Brian said: anyone ever noticed that one of the dre-produced tracks on jj fad's self-titled debut album samples basically its entire backing track from model 500's nite drive thru babylon? Would that be Blame It on the Musick? Andy NP: Oaktown's 357 - Wild and Loose - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] somewhat OT: Moby, Eminem, Dr. Dre, Pet Shop Boys, JJ Fad, Hip House and other current threads
- Original Message - From: Brian Dillard [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 (E-mail) 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 1:23 PM Subject: FW: [313] somewhat OT: Moby, Eminem, Dr. Dre, Pet Shop Boys, JJ Fad, Hip House and other current threads 313 content: anyone ever heard the various 313 remixes of the PSB? terrence parker and mk have both done fantastic PSB mixes (i wouldn't normally do that kind of thing and can you forgive her). I played the Can You Forgive Her remix two weeks ago too. It's my favorite PSB remix bar-none. kevin saunderson did a couple less spectacular mixes of go west, including one with the word trance in the title (!!). Yeah - these are by no means essential, but interesting for sure. eddie fowlkes did a very strange remix of i want a dog, if i'm not mistaken. It's kinda mixed up with Atomic Dog, and similar in feel. Very nice. and the psb themselves did a pretty good, though limited-edition, somewhat detroity techno album called relentless. It's quite good. The package came out at the same time as Very. It was a bubble-wrap-esque sleeve, with both Very and Relentless included - I always thought of it as Very Relentless. It veers towards the proto-trance end of things, but definitely of a higher quality than the later stuff. Think of the Jam Spoon remixes from around that time and you get a feel for what it's like, although with better staying power and less over-the-top tranceness to it [runs for cover in fear of Jam Spoon flamethrowers]. Another nice set of remixes were Deep Dish's takes on Se a Vida E (quite towards techno for them) and the 312 relevent Frankie Knuckles remix of I Want A Dog. Crucial. I'm doing my best to resurrect early-'90s synth-pop remixes from underground house/techno artists. :) The Francois K and Orb remixes of Violator-era Depeche Mode are also presently pushing my buttons. Oh, and the Chris Cosey remix CD. That Carl Craig treatment is sweet. Tristan --- http://www.mp313.com - Music http://www.metrotechno.net - DC techno + more http://www.metatrackstudios.com - DC DJ/Production studios http://phonopsia.tripod.com - Hub [EMAIL PROTECTED] - email - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Fw: Moby Responds To Eminem...
Nah, it's someone who supported Peaches, that's how I found out. I heard about the NY guy - there was an article in Vibe or The Source on him, this guy was definitely Detroit-based. -- From: Jayson B. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [313] Fw: Moby Responds To Eminem... Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 2:23 AM I heard there is a sensational (officially, as opposed to speculatively) gay rapper in Detroit actually! Anyone know his name? not that he really raps, but isn't Aaron Carl Gay? I think that kid is brilliant. _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Fw: Moby Responds To Eminem...
Well, I ain't no gay rapper, that's for sure, I like men too much and I can't rap. ;) -- From: neon tse tse [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [313] Fw: Moby Responds To Eminem... Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 5:03 AM d.c. http://www.gayhiphop.com/music/index.html didn´t find any detroit, but there´s cyclone up there :) m planetz2002 Nah, it's someone who supported Peaches, that's how I found out. I heard about the NY guy - there was an article in Vibe or The Source on him, this guy was definitely Detroit-based. -- From: Jayson B. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [313] Fw: Moby Responds To Eminem... Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 2:23 AM I heard there is a sensational (officially, as opposed to speculatively) gay rapper in Detroit actually! Anyone know his name? not that he really raps, but isn't Aaron Carl Gay? I think that kid is brilliant. _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Fw: Moby Responds To Eminem...
öhem, just 2 set things straight was posting that private, because it was not detroit, I don´t give a funk if list-people wonder if I´m gay or not but if gay people are only represented by elton john and pet shop boys on this list - that´s a problem :) - so we better find some cool official gay detroit representers and about those advanced pop artists moby and eminem can you imagine them being a couple ? eminem forcing moby 2 show him a lil respect, after moby was getting the beer outta the fridge for him ? wouldn´t it be great, if this sm-relation would stop them making music ? oops, there goes the mail Well, I ain't no gay rapper, that's for sure, I like men too much and I can't rap. ;) -- From: neon tse tse [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [313] Fw: Moby Responds To Eminem... Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 5:03 AM d.c. http://www.gayhiphop.com/music/index.html didn´t find any detroit, but there´s cyclone up there :) m planetz2002 Nah, it's someone who supported Peaches, that's how I found out. I heard about the NY guy - there was an article in Vibe or The Source on him, this guy was definitely Detroit-based. -- From: Jayson B. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [313] Fw: Moby Responds To Eminem... Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 2:23 AM I heard there is a sensational (officially, as opposed to speculatively) gay rapper in Detroit actually! Anyone know his name? not that he really raps, but isn't Aaron Carl Gay? I think that kid is brilliant. _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Fw: Moby Responds To Eminem...
- Original Message - From: Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 Detroit 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 12:54 PM Subject: Re: [313] Fw: Moby Responds To Eminem... Yes, but have you seen what Eminem raps about not only Moby but 'techno'? I almost posted it but I didn't wanna spark off another 313 debate. He should know better with his connections. Yeah. Wasn't he spotted at The Wizard gig in Daytwah? I'm interested to hear the new Moby. I'd hate to revisit the thread from the last time around, but he can make good music and it would be nice to see him veer back towards his roots. I played his remix of the Pet Shop Boys Miserablism a couple of weeks ago, and I periodically revisit his Ambient album. All-told, I love his political persona, even if I haven't liked his music in a while. Anyone else see The Pet Shop Boys are playing St. Andrews (I think) on the Monday of DEMF? I think it conflicts with the finale. Such poor timing... I'd love to see Neil Tennant wandering about Hart Plaza in a Behavior-era opera gown. :) Tristan --- http://www.mp313.com - Music http://www.metrotechno.net - DC techno + more http://www.metatrackstudios.com - DC DJ/Production studios http://phonopsia.tripod.com - Hub [EMAIL PROTECTED] - email - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Yes, the song is a love song for Eminem sung by a male fan, and Dr Dre heard the PSB song (was it also on MTV?), enjoyed it and laughed and warned PBS that they would cop it from Eminem bigtime now. It's great when hip-hoppers can laugh stuff off. I heard there is a sensational (officially, as opposed to speculatively) gay rapper in Detroit actually! Anyone know his name? -- From: sean deason [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Phonopsia [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [313] Fw: Moby Responds To Eminem... Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 12:17 PM whoa! how'd you make the jump from Moby to PetShopBoys?? To tie it all together: word is that the PetShopBoys have a video/song about a gay rapper who is an Eminem satire. I'm not making this up. and isnt PSB playing the State Theater in Detroit? glanced at the schedule briefly on MTV.com. thats where I got the gay rapper info thingy too :^) sean deason Phonopsia wrote: - Original Message - From: Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 Detroit 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 12:54 PM Subject: Re: [313] Fw: Moby Responds To Eminem... Yes, but have you seen what Eminem raps about not only Moby but 'techno'? I almost posted it but I didn't wanna spark off another 313 debate. He should know better with his connections. Yeah. Wasn't he spotted at The Wizard gig in Daytwah? I'm interested to hear the new Moby. I'd hate to revisit the thread from the last time around, but he can make good music and it would be nice to see him veer back towards his roots. I played his remix of the Pet Shop Boys Miserablism a couple of weeks ago, and I periodically revisit his Ambient album. All-told, I love his political persona, even if I haven't liked his music in a while. Anyone else see The Pet Shop Boys are playing St. Andrews (I think) on the Monday of DEMF? I think it conflicts with the finale. Such poor timing... I'd love to see Neil Tennant wandering about Hart Plaza in a Behavior-era opera gown. :) Tristan --- http://www.mp313.com - Music http://www.metrotechno.net - DC techno + more http://www.metatrackstudios.com - DC DJ/Production studios http://phonopsia.tripod.com - Hub [EMAIL PROTECTED] - email - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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sean deason wrote on Fri, 26 Apr 2002 about following: whoa! how'd you make the jump from Moby to PetShopBoys?? To tie it all together: word is that the PetShopBoys have a video/song about a gay rapper who is an Eminem satire. I'm not making this up. and isnt PSB i heard the album recently and there is such a track. i think its the last track on the album. Stan gets mentioned in the lyrics, as well as Dre, which most probably means dr dre. btw i didn't like the album. sakke - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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- Original Message - From: Zoë Miller To: AAPress2002List : Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 5:21 PM Subject: Moby Responds To Eminem... Moby has responded to Eminem's recent diss on his website - www.moby.com. Eminem apparently raps about Moby on his forthcoming single, 'Without Me' and dresses as him in the video. Check out www.moby.com web site for daily updates from Moby. i'm so amused... apparently eminem disses me on his new single. i haven't heard it yet, but i do think it's very funny that he's singled me out as an object of his scorn. the weird thing is that i actually do think that eminem has skills as an mc, but it disturbs me that he glorifies homophobia and misogyny in his songs, especially seeing as his listeners are, for the most part, very impressionable 10 year old boys. oh well. i'm honored to have received my first celebrity diss. well, first celebrity musical-diss. i won't be dissing him back(given the fact that MY skills as an mc are terrible, almost as bad as homer simpsons, ok, worse), but i will say, as i said before, that musicians need to assume a certain aritistic responsibility when their fan base is very, very young. a 30 year old listening to an eminem song that glorifies misogyny and homophobia is going to interpret the lyrics a lot differently than a 10 year old listening to the same song. from my perspective any music that glorifies abuse, misogyny, homophobia or racism is disturbing, but especially so when its targeted to fan base of 10 year old boys. but anyway, if your reading this eminem, thanks for the diss. really, i mean it. and no hard feelings from me. -moby p.s-and was anyone else amused when that 'radio don't even play my jams' song was on the radio 30 times a day? For further information please contact Sarah Lowe ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Tel: 020 8964 2001 www.mute.com www.moby.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Yes, but have you seen what Eminem raps about not only Moby but 'techno'? I almost posted it but I didn't wanna spark off another 313 debate. He should know better with his connections. http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1453610/20020425/eminem.jhtml?headlines=tre Someone at least has a sense of humour as I got no less than two copies of Moby's album in the mail this week, and, while I am known as the vice president of the Moby's playa hata assoc, it's actually. OK. More downbeat with some soulful gospel type vocals - sampled and 'live/real', and introspective overall. His most cohesive work. And it's so far away from 'techno', that any association at this point is tenuous. Sounds more like Dido. But actually better. It's a pop album, he's a pop artist like Elton John. -- From: Tom Robbins/Magic Feet [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 mailing list 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] Fw: Moby Responds To Eminem... Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 2:29 AM - Original Message - From: Zoë Miller To: AAPress2002List : Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 5:21 PM Subject: Moby Responds To Eminem... Moby has responded to Eminem's recent diss on his website - www.moby.com. Eminem apparently raps about Moby on his forthcoming single, 'Without Me' and dresses as him in the video. Check out www.moby.com web site for daily updates from Moby. i'm so amused... apparently eminem disses me on his new single. i haven't heard it yet, but i do think it's very funny that he's singled me out as an object of his scorn. the weird thing is that i actually do think that eminem has skills as an mc, but it disturbs me that he glorifies homophobia and misogyny in his songs, especially seeing as his listeners are, for the most part, very impressionable 10 year old boys. oh well. i'm honored to have received my first celebrity diss. well, first celebrity musical-diss. i won't be dissing him back(given the fact that MY skills as an mc are terrible, almost as bad as homer simpsons, ok, worse), but i will say, as i said before, that musicians need to assume a certain aritistic responsibility when their fan base is very, very young. a 30 year old listening to an eminem song that glorifies misogyny and homophobia is going to interpret the lyrics a lot differently than a 10 year old listening to the same song. from my perspective any music that glorifies abuse, misogyny, homophobia or racism is disturbing, but especially so when its targeted to fan base of 10 year old boys. but anyway, if your reading this eminem, thanks for the diss. really, i mean it. and no hard feelings from me. -moby p.s-and was anyone else amused when that 'radio don't even play my jams' song was on the radio 30 times a day? For further information please contact Sarah Lowe ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Tel: 020 8964 2001 www.mute.com www.moby.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] Moby, underground techno
In the beggining techno was underground, but then it was only techno, today everybody that use somekind of filter is techno. So if we talking about big events you cant make event, book Moby, FBS, Underworld(without emerson), Paul van Dyk and call it Techno, because its POP. So if I follow your reasoning then Jeff Mills, Laurent Garnier, Richie Hawtin, Dave Clarke, Mark Broom, Derrick May, Juan Atkins, Claude Young, Ken Ishii, etc... who all play or played the I love techno party together with Underworld, Pills, Mixmaster Mike and others for 3 people here in Belgium (which does qualify as a big event me thinks) do not play techno but pop? I'd give a lot to hear their opinion on that... you can stop that some records go out of thier original place on scene, but when you start to make songs with that purpose you are history for underground electronic music. Then you go on Top of the Pops. When I heard Laurent Garnier play 'Man With The Red Face' live as early as 1999 I don't think that he made that track with the specific purpose of becoming a hit record. If you could actually know which techno/house records will cross over into the mainstream I'm willing to bet that all names mentioned above would not hesitate to make such a track. Or did you think that Rolando's 'Knights Of The Jaguar' was pre-conceived to becoming a hit record? He would be glad to hear that... I could be misreading your thoughts, so feel free to correct me. And at the and of a day, i see, that one leter is missing-t ,i mean you CANT stop some records... And by that i also mean on Rolando, and Laurent Garnier etc. Im still saying that moby goes in studio and makes songs like pizza`s. A little bit of everything on top and its one million selling record. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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counter-culturally yours, Counter-Culture and all its bragging rights are just as toolish as Pop Culture: there's just less of you to do it. Whatever happened to real individuality? a sincere amen to that Jayson... RD _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Interested in Turkey? Visit http://www.turkey.com! - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Wed, 25 Jul 2001 15:54:18 -0400 David Bitterman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think the message was aimed more towards the POP headliners such as Moby, Oakenfold, Underworld, etc.., NOT at their more underground stage partners. Do you honestly believe that when Underworld made 'Cowgirl' and 'Dubnobasswithmyheadman' that they were aiming to becoming a pop-band? I don't think so, they were just trying to bring there version of the music we all know and love: techno. The way they evolved was not the way I liked, so I just stopped buying their records, not because they lost 'underground-credibility', but just because I didn't dig what they made. Point being if I flip through the MAJOR FM radio stations I may pass that shitty Moby track on a POP station. I'm not going to catch slak or Elektrostatik EVER on those same stations. True, just because major FM stations cater the majority of the audience which would rather hear Moby than Elektrostatic, not because they do not want to support the underground, but just because they just don't dig the music and rather hear things they know. Needless to say, I meet these dumb azz f*ckin promoters from time to time and consider them mostly a disease. They have no concept whatsoever. They are just trying to make a buck and be cool at the same time. Throw a bunch of names on a flyer, add whatever local talent is pandering to you, hire a bunch of stupid light systems, and voila. Instant success party. Sorry to burst your underground bubble, but when a promoter asks Derrick May and Jeff Mills for his party he too is trying to make a buck by putting a bunch of names on a flyer. He just chose a smaller market which is much easier to target and is almost surely a success. Personally I'd rather shoot myself in the foot than attempt to throw a party of that caliber. Well, why don't you get behind the screen and try to throw a different party then? Don't get me wrong on the previous paragraphs, I do agree with you to a great extent concerning the big events having no concept and only out to make money, but that goes for pop as well as techno as any other musical form. I myself have been throwing parties since 1993, and continue to do so to this very day with just one thing in mind: fun and music. I haven't gotten a penny out of it, but the memories and thank you's of my friends have made up for that in huge fashion. But I do not claim to be underground, I'm just bringing the music I like to whoever wants to hear it. So stop complaining and just do it! It was in a recent Autechre interview that they discussed art without a dissident edge, basically saying that without that propulsion away from the establishment or from compromise the art isn't really communicating anything revolutionary or otherwise. Does art really need to be revolutionary? I don't find Jeff Mills' 'Every Dog' revolutionary in the least, but for me it is well and truly art. Is it dissident? Not at all IMO, but it's just good music to my ears, and that's all that matters. I think these people (wack promoters) should go get a job at a burger joint and contribute more to society. I won't tell you what I REALLY think they should go do... I do believe that organizing a concert for 1 people and making their day is a bit more contribution to society than serving burgers and being attacked by antiglobalist-movements, but that's just my opinion. Back to you! RD D(bit) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Interested in Turkey? Visit http://www.turkey.com! - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Indeed, and imagine the pain they must be going through when: - making big bucks dj'ing around the globe - being revered by millions of people - being revered by countless producers and influencing every techno / house / d'n'b producer I for one couldn't take that much disrespect... Honestly I think some people here have to start making up their minds, always stating that techno is underground and should not become commercial and at the same time always complaining about lack of exposure or being mad whenever a big event does not pay respect to the underground. What'll it be? RD On Thu, 19 Jul 2001 22:10:50 + Jayson B. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i know that the B3 is probably used to it, and probably don't even know or care that they're not being promoted, but i could never deal with that kind of pain on a repeated basis... which is worse? being booked alongside dj supahcheese under the title the innovators or not being booked at all? I understand where everyone is coming from on this issue, but as for the B3 being completely downtrodden is quite a bit of a myth. I don't see any of them driving rusted out minivans and eating bakes beans out of a can. Last time i checked, they were getting pimped out Ford focuses at cPOP. downtrodden? i think not. _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Interested in Turkey? Visit http://www.turkey.com! - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Honestly I think some people here have to start making up their minds, always stating that techno is underground and should not become commercial and at the same time always complaining about lack of exposure or being mad whenever a big event does not pay respect to the underground. What'll it be? RD In the beggining techno was underground, but then it was only techno, today everybody that use somekind of filter is techno. So if we talking about big events you cant make event, book Moby, FBS, Underworld(without emerson), Paul van Dyk and call it Techno, because its POP. you can stop that some records go out of thier original place on scene, but when you start to make songs with that purpose you are history for underground electronic music. Then you go on Top of the Pops. Long time ago Moby and crew made that. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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they've been assimilated.. no more soul.. moby.. that's pop music... those who want music to be popular have no purpose other than to sell their product or seek praise and adulation, something they wouldn't need if they had a purpose.. furthermore they probably are talking about disco-house and superstar dj'ing anyways, so let them go, we don't have a movement until it's back underground... and none of those artists on the borderline are making music worth fighting for.. at least i wouldn't... counter-culturally yours, ryan -Original Message- From: Berislav [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 9:03 AM To: 313 Subject: RE: [313] Moby, underground techno Honestly I think some people here have to start making up their minds, always stating that techno is underground and should not become commercial and at the same time always complaining about lack of exposure or being mad whenever a big event does not pay respect to the underground. What'll it be? RD In the beggining techno was underground, but then it was only techno, today everybody that use somekind of filter is techno. So if we talking about big events you cant make event, book Moby, FBS, Underworld(without emerson), Paul van Dyk and call it Techno, because its POP. you can stop that some records go out of thier original place on scene, but when you start to make songs with that purpose you are history for underground electronic music. Then you go on Top of the Pops. Long time ago Moby and crew made that. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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In the beggining techno was underground, but then it was only techno, today everybody that use somekind of filter is techno. So if we talking about big events you cant make event, book Moby, FBS, Underworld(without emerson), Paul van Dyk and call it Techno, because its POP. So if I follow your reasoning then Jeff Mills, Laurent Garnier, Richie Hawtin, Dave Clarke, Mark Broom, Derrick May, Juan Atkins, Claude Young, Ken Ishii, etc... who all play or played the I love techno party together with Underworld, Pills, Mixmaster Mike and others for 3 people here in Belgium (which does qualify as a big event me thinks) do not play techno but pop? I'd give a lot to hear their opinion on that... you can stop that some records go out of thier original place on scene, but when you start to make songs with that purpose you are history for underground electronic music. Then you go on Top of the Pops. When I heard Laurent Garnier play 'Man With The Red Face' live as early as 1999 I don't think that he made that track with the specific purpose of becoming a hit record. If you could actually know which techno/house records will cross over into the mainstream I'm willing to bet that all names mentioned above would not hesitate to make such a track. Or did you think that Rolando's 'Knights Of The Jaguar' was pre-conceived to becoming a hit record? He would be glad to hear that... I could be misreading your thoughts, so feel free to correct me. RD Long time ago Moby and crew made that. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Interested in Turkey? Visit http://www.turkey.com! - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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they've been assimilated.. no more soul... WORD! moby.. that's pop music... those who want music to be popular have no purpose other than to sell their product or seek praise and adulation, something they wouldn't need if they had a purpose.. furthermore they probably are talking about disco-house and superstar dj'ing anyways, so let them go, we don't have a movement until it's back underground... and none of those artists on the borderline are making music worth fighting for.. at least i wouldn't... counter-culturally yours, ryan -Original Message- From: Berislav [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 9:03 AM To: 313 Subject: RE: [313] Moby, underground techno Honestly I think some people here have to start making up their minds, always stating that techno is underground and should not become commercial and at the same time always complaining about lack of exposure or being mad whenever a big event does not pay respect to the underground. What'll it be? RD In the beggining techno was underground, but then it was only techno, today everybody that use somekind of filter is techno. So if we talking about big events you cant make event, book Moby, FBS, Underworld(without emerson), Paul van Dyk and call it Techno, because its POP. you can stop that some records go out of thier original place on scene, but when you start to make songs with that purpose you are history for underground electronic music. Then you go on Top of the Pops. Long time ago Moby and crew made that. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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POP! Oh I can't wait til we see Berislav in the big lights headlining the I MADE IT festival. Yes Berislav's latest tune I am Underground has gone double platinum overnight!! Berislav has been invited to make millions of dollars touring with a full orchestra and a bus full of grill cheese sandwiches. But don't fret folks because everyone knows that artists who go double platinum have MILLIONs of dollars to spend, and don't need or want their music to be heard by anyone. Why would Bersilav sell his music to advertisements when he can eat all those grill cheese sandwiches on the bus? Shit happens, roll with the punches, or kill yourself like Kurt Kobain. -todd - Original Message - From: Berislav [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 9:02 AM Subject: RE: [313] Moby, underground techno Honestly I think some people here have to start making up their minds, always stating that techno is underground and should not become commercial and at the same time always complaining about lack of exposure or being mad whenever a big event does not pay respect to the underground. What'll it be? RD In the beggining techno was underground, but then it was only techno, today everybody that use somekind of filter is techno. So if we talking about big events you cant make event, book Moby, FBS, Underworld(without emerson), Paul van Dyk and call it Techno, because its POP. you can stop that some records go out of thier original place on scene, but when you start to make songs with that purpose you are history for underground electronic music. Then you go on Top of the Pops. Long time ago Moby and crew made that. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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they've been assimilated.. no more soul.. You've been assimilated to. moby.. that's pop music... those who want music to be popular have no purpose other than to sell their product or seek praise and adulation, something they wouldn't need if they had a purpose.. He does have a purpose. He wants to sell a fucload of records. we don't have a movement until it's back underground... Catch Phrase #1 and none of those artists on the borderline are making music worth fighting for opinions are a beautiful thing, but they're not law. .. at least i wouldn't... good thing you stated this. counter-culturally yours, Counter-Culture and all its bragging rights are just as toolish as Pop Culture: there's just less of you to do it. Whatever happened to real individuality? _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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You've been assimilated to. so beit.. He does have a purpose. He wants to sell a fucload of records. he's bones and guts, just like the rest of us. if he(they) want/s to sell records, no problem. we all have to work and i don't see anything wrong with selling records.. cool job right?.. i just don't see his relevance to the techno community, or what's left of it if he's popular like that. i think his name comes up here because there is resentment the ramifications of pop music, good, bad, or whatever.. whoever asked for a stance was correct.. although the lines are blurred.. it's either all pop or there is still such a thing as underground music, which is always changing and thrives through support on a different level.. i think there will always be both, they are necessary ends. and none of those artists on the borderline are making music worth fighting for .. at least i wouldn't... good thing you stated this. (that's why it was there, jayson.) if all the backstreet boys fans are buying fucloads of rob hood records, he won't need our support. Counter-Culture and all its bragging rights are just as toolish as Pop Culture: there's just less of you to do it. Whatever happened to real individuality? in the end we are all the same with different perspectives, real individuals, no two just alike... so it may be cliche', but i feel that a message is clearer when there are fewer people involved.. make sense? i just don't think it's as cut and dry as selling some records.. people have egos and are selfish interests, it's human nature. i'm off track now, hope i made some sense of it. if not, that's my own non-sensical individuality or sleep deprivation kicking in. take care. ;) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] Moby, underground techno
I think the message was aimed more towards the POP headliners such as Moby, Oakenfold, Underworld, etc.., NOT at their more underground stage partners. Point being if I flip through the MAJOR FM radio stations I may pass that shitty Moby track on a POP station. I'm not going to catch slak or Elektrostatik EVER on those same stations. Needless to say, I meet these dumb azz f*ckin promoters from time to time and consider them mostly a disease. They have no concept whatsoever. They are just trying to make a buck and be cool at the same time. Throw a bunch of names on a flyer, add whatever local talent is pandering to you, hire a bunch of stupid light systems, and voila. Instant success party. Personally I'd rather shoot myself in the foot than attempt to throw a party of that caliber. It was in a recent Autechre interview that they discussed art without a dissident edge, basically saying that without that propulsion away from the establishment or from compromise the art isn't really communicating anything revolutionary or otherwise. I think these people (wack promoters) should go get a job at a burger joint and contribute more to society. I won't tell you what I REALLY think they should go do... D(bit) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] fat boy Moby
I think this is funny because Moby doesn't take himself too seriously, but everybody else does. He still can be a moody bastard, though. e [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's the way I've always percieved these two artists: Moby - Uppity snob. Back in the 60's he would have worn all black with a black beret, smoked cigarettes with a long stem filter, and he would have performed in coffee houses with a set of bongo's and a sitar. He would expect no one to vibe on his level of deepness except those in his inner circle. Moby is the type of artist that's entirely too wrapped up in himself. He has the I'm MOBY!!! attitude, as if any of us should care. Fat Boy Slim - Beer guzzlin, XFL watchin', Monster Truck pull (SUNDAY, SUNDAY, SUNDAY BE THERE) type of guy. He honestly appears to have fun with his music and could really care less if you like it or not... as long as someone likes it. This is how they appear to me through interviews and the like. I've never met either of them and I may have it all wrong too. Moby may be a pleasant individual one-on-one and FBS may be the pretentious twit. But in the grand scheme of things... Who CARES???!!! Why do we even give a f_ck? Moby said this and that about so-and-so, FBS is headlining over who?, and They're obviously catering to the mainstream, they've sold out to the corporate machine are the types of discussions that come up on lists like this one too often. Why do we care? If none of us here on 313 likes Moby, FBS, Chemical Brothers and their bretheren, then why not leave them out of our discussions. Let's, instead, discuss who's pushing the envelope of Techno, Electro, or House. Let's check out each other's playlists and discuss the finer points of particular releases. Let's continue to inform each other of various events (without clowning line-ups and locations). Let's keep moving forward. (BTW - I happen to like Fat Boy Slim's The Rockafeller Skank. It kinda reminds me of something you would hear on The Beastie Boys' Paul's Boutique) Benn Glazier [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 06/24/2001 03:44:54 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org cc: Subject: Re: [313] fat boy slim Perhaps when you have had the joy of performing on the same stage as Fat Boy Slim you may wish to realign your judgement. -- Benn Glazier [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.royaltech.net p: 0413 316 618 At 01:28 24/07/01 -0700, you wrote: 313, There have been a volley of emails recently slating Fat Boy Slim and Moby as being the coporate whores of the dance music 'industry'. Whilst there are more pertinent subjects on the agenda, I would still like to make a distinction between the two. I'd don't for one moment like FBS's music. The fact that it is widely liked, I put down to the general public's low standards. However, it is fairly clear that the man does not take himself too seriously, he has fun doing what he's doing, and he gives people a lot of pleasure. He's been making throwaway pop music for decades and he's good at it. I saw it at first hand on Brighton (England) beach a couple of weeks ago. Moby, on the other hand, makes insipid music of the worst kind, made for TV advertisements. He's takes himself very seriously, is always trying to get in on the latest fad/fashion and is a moody t***. My conclusion is not that we should include FBS in the topics of conversation, rather that we should refrain from slating artists who have no pretensions, are just doing their thing. There are much more important things to promote. Al -- Warning : The information contained in this message may be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to this message and then delete it from your computer. All e-mail sent to this address will be received by the Providian Financial corporate e-mail system and is subject to archiving and review by someone other than the recipient. == - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional
Re: [313] Moby
You know, I promised myself I would not get into this thead. The really sad thing about area one or moby or whoever is that it will represent this music in 20 years. I was talking with some black dudes I worked with about a year ago about music, and they absolutely refused to believe that disco was black music. They just kept bringing up Saturday Night Fever and John Travolta. It is going to be exactly the same thing in 20 years. Afterall, Duran Duran and Flock of Seaguls represent the width and breath of New Wave in the popular consciousness of America. Take care, Mike - Original Message - From: Scotto [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, July 20, 2001 7:04 PM Subject: Re: [313] Moby this is not a new thing it has been going on in music for a long time. look at all the '50's blues artist that when in the '60's electric blues became popular with white ardencies you then had muddy waters and howlin' wolf opening up for the cream and the animals etc. and of course the cream had there name bigger then muddy's on the fliers but I can guarantee that he was happy to be making a living doing what he loved. when you make music for a living and when you don't get money from your record sales (be bad record deal or out of print) for what ever reason you have to make money the way you know how. playing live! Scott Laakso --- --- imajin/ imagine http://www.mp3.com/i_majin http://www.ampcast.com/imagine - Original Message - From: Jayson B. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2001 6:10 PM Subject: RE: [313] Moby i know that the B3 is probably used to it, and probably don't even know or care that they're not being promoted, but i could never deal with that kind of pain on a repeated basis... which is worse? being booked alongside dj supahcheese under the title the innovators or not being booked at all? I understand where everyone is coming from on this issue, but as for the B3 being completely downtrodden is quite a bit of a myth. I don't see any of them driving rusted out minivans and eating bakes beans out of a can. Last time i checked, they were getting pimped out Ford focuses at cPOP. downtrodden? i think not. _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] Moby
lemme remind you that the best things in life are free... cars and money are necessary, and nice, but i don't think that's the _artist's_ intention when he puts out his _art_ (not tracks) to the world... anyway, enough of this sh*# from me, the bandwidth is getting clogged as it is. doesn't need me adding to the pile of junk. :) last word on 313 from me on this subject. Mike From: Jayson B. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [313] Moby Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 22:10:50 + i know that the B3 is probably used to it, and probably don't even know or care that they're not being promoted, but i could never deal with that kind of pain on a repeated basis... which is worse? being booked alongside dj supahcheese under the title the innovators or not being booked at all? I understand where everyone is coming from on this issue, but as for the B3 being completely downtrodden is quite a bit of a myth. I don't see any of them driving rusted out minivans and eating bakes beans out of a can. Last time i checked, they were getting pimped out Ford focuses at cPOP. downtrodden? i think not. _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] Moby
keep posting. thank you! --- Jayson B. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i know that the B3 is probably used to it, and probably don't even know or care that they're not being promoted, but i could never deal with that kind of pain on a repeated basis... which is worse? being booked alongside dj supahcheese under the title the innovators or not being booked at all? I understand where everyone is coming from on this issue, but as for the B3 being completely downtrodden is quite a bit of a myth. I don't see any of them driving rusted out minivans and eating bakes beans out of a can. Last time i checked, they were getting pimped out Ford focuses at cPOP. downtrodden? i think not. _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Moby
this is not a new thing it has been going on in music for a long time. look at all the '50's blues artist that when in the '60's electric blues became popular with white ardencies you then had muddy waters and howlin' wolf opening up for the cream and the animals etc. and of course the cream had there name bigger then muddy's on the fliers but I can guarantee that he was happy to be making a living doing what he loved. when you make music for a living and when you don't get money from your record sales (be bad record deal or out of print) for what ever reason you have to make money the way you know how. playing live! Scott Laakso --- --- imajin/ imagine http://www.mp3.com/i_majin http://www.ampcast.com/imagine - Original Message - From: Jayson B. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2001 6:10 PM Subject: RE: [313] Moby i know that the B3 is probably used to it, and probably don't even know or care that they're not being promoted, but i could never deal with that kind of pain on a repeated basis... which is worse? being booked alongside dj supahcheese under the title the innovators or not being booked at all? I understand where everyone is coming from on this issue, but as for the B3 being completely downtrodden is quite a bit of a myth. I don't see any of them driving rusted out minivans and eating bakes beans out of a can. Last time i checked, they were getting pimped out Ford focuses at cPOP. downtrodden? i think not. _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
