Re: New Mills
then again, thank fuck for Mills and Boon. Anyone have any techno album recommendations for 17th century Descartes, Malbranche, M Cavendish? One love, MH Sent from ProtonMail mobile Original Message On 26 Jan 2021, 18:26, Matahari-Inc Magazine wrote: > Thank fuck for disco nihilists > > Sent from ProtonMail mobile > > Original Message > On 26 Jan 2021, 18:23, Patrick Wacher wrote: > >> Newer Mills... >> >> https://thevinylfactory.com/news/jeff-mills-new-album-the-clairvoyant-vinyl/ >> >> On Fri, Jan 15, 2021 at 7:37 PM Mike Taylor wrote: >> >>> He has hit that older Picasso stage where he is both wildly prolific and >>> brilliant. >>> >>> I've made peace with the fact that I can't keep up with Mills' output. The >>> man is his own universe. >>> >>> On Fri, Jan 15, 2021, 8:21 PM Tristan Watkins wrote: >>> At risk of being overly clear, I've really liked the three or four Mills albums I bought in 2020 (far more than I spent with any other Detroit artist except maybe John Beltran), but there is no way I can keep up with the cadence and couldn't stop myself from making the joke. Love that this music has made it in to the world, but wish it was through less exclusive channels at a less ambitious rate. On Friday, 15 January 2021, Tristan Watkins wrote: > Every day has its Every Dog Has Its Day > > On Friday, 15 January 2021, Patrick Wacher wrote: > >> He’s been pumping them out for sure. >> >> https://www.axisrecords.com/product/millsart-think-again/
Re: New Mills
Thank fuck for disco nihilists Sent from ProtonMail mobile Original Message On 26 Jan 2021, 18:23, Patrick Wacher wrote: > Newer Mills... > > https://thevinylfactory.com/news/jeff-mills-new-album-the-clairvoyant-vinyl/ > > On Fri, Jan 15, 2021 at 7:37 PM Mike Taylor wrote: > >> He has hit that older Picasso stage where he is both wildly prolific and >> brilliant. >> >> I've made peace with the fact that I can't keep up with Mills' output. The >> man is his own universe. >> >> On Fri, Jan 15, 2021, 8:21 PM Tristan Watkins wrote: >> >>> At risk of being overly clear, I've really liked the three or four Mills >>> albums I bought in 2020 (far more than I spent with any other Detroit >>> artist except maybe John Beltran), but there is no way I can keep up with >>> the cadence and couldn't stop myself from making the joke. Love that this >>> music has made it in to the world, but wish it was through less exclusive >>> channels at a less ambitious rate. >>> >>> On Friday, 15 January 2021, Tristan Watkins wrote: >>> Every day has its Every Dog Has Its Day On Friday, 15 January 2021, Patrick Wacher wrote: > He’s been pumping them out for sure. > > https://www.axisrecords.com/product/millsart-think-again/
Re: New Mills
Newer Mills... https://thevinylfactory.com/news/jeff-mills-new-album-the-clairvoyant-vinyl/ On Fri, Jan 15, 2021 at 7:37 PM Mike Taylor wrote: > He has hit that older Picasso stage where he is both wildly prolific and > brilliant. > > I've made peace with the fact that I can't keep up with Mills' output. The > man is his own universe. > > On Fri, Jan 15, 2021, 8:21 PM Tristan Watkins wrote: > >> At risk of being overly clear, I've really liked the three or four Mills >> albums I bought in 2020 (far more than I spent with any other Detroit >> artist except maybe John Beltran), but there is no way I can keep up with >> the cadence and couldn't stop myself from making the joke. Love that this >> music has made it in to the world, but wish it was through less exclusive >> channels at a less ambitious rate. >> >> On Friday, 15 January 2021, Tristan Watkins wrote: >> >>> Every day has its Every Dog Has Its Day >>> >>> On Friday, 15 January 2021, Patrick Wacher wrote: >>> He’s been pumping them out for sure. https://www.axisrecords.com/product/millsart-think-again/ >>>
Re: New Mills
He has hit that older Picasso stage where he is both wildly prolific and brilliant. I've made peace with the fact that I can't keep up with Mills' output. The man is his own universe. On Fri, Jan 15, 2021, 8:21 PM Tristan Watkins wrote: > At risk of being overly clear, I've really liked the three or four Mills > albums I bought in 2020 (far more than I spent with any other Detroit > artist except maybe John Beltran), but there is no way I can keep up with > the cadence and couldn't stop myself from making the joke. Love that this > music has made it in to the world, but wish it was through less exclusive > channels at a less ambitious rate. > > On Friday, 15 January 2021, Tristan Watkins wrote: > >> Every day has its Every Dog Has Its Day >> >> On Friday, 15 January 2021, Patrick Wacher wrote: >> >>> He’s been pumping them out for sure. >>> >>> https://www.axisrecords.com/product/millsart-think-again/ >>> >>
Re: New Mills
At risk of being overly clear, I've really liked the three or four Mills albums I bought in 2020 (far more than I spent with any other Detroit artist except maybe John Beltran), but there is no way I can keep up with the cadence and couldn't stop myself from making the joke. Love that this music has made it in to the world, but wish it was through less exclusive channels at a less ambitious rate. On Friday, 15 January 2021, Tristan Watkins wrote: > Every day has its Every Dog Has Its Day > > On Friday, 15 January 2021, Patrick Wacher wrote: > >> He’s been pumping them out for sure. >> >> https://www.axisrecords.com/product/millsart-think-again/ >> >
Re: New Mills
Every day has its Every Dog Has Its Day On Friday, 15 January 2021, Patrick Wacher wrote: > He’s been pumping them out for sure. > > https://www.axisrecords.com/product/millsart-think-again/ >
New Mills
He’s been pumping them out for sure. https://www.axisrecords.com/product/millsart-think-again/
Re: (313) New Mills Album - Sleeper Wakes
A new Mills album! How exciting!!
Thanks for posting this!
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On 5/15/2010 10:53 AM, ja...@iridite.com wrote:
Hi everyone - what you all think of the new Mill's album? Just
listening to it at the moment and it's going down very well indeed -
reminds me of From the 21st (my favourite home listening Mills
album) in places. Lot's of incredibly solid, menacing Bass Drums and
hypnotic ticking Hi Hats (why is it when I do a straight 16's Closed
909 Hi Hat it sounds rubbish and when Mills does it, it sounds
hypnotic) and spaced out chords floating about all over the place.
I forgot to mention, in an attempt to out do Anya at Bleep 43, Rubadub
have Jeff Mills playing here in at the Sub Club in Glasgow on my 40th
(July 23rd if you want to send flowers, cards etc) - the venue holds
about 300-400 people and he rarely gets a chance to play in such
intimate surroundings here so we're looking forward to it. He's
promised to do something pretty special (juggling, kniting??) and is
playing for three hours . The only downside is that as it's a
Significant Birthday for me it's unlikely I'll be able to remember a
thing the next day so he could be playing a set of Euro Trance Bangers
and I wouldn't know the difference.
The first batch of tickets sold out in three days but there will be a
second batch at the start of July and a small amount kept by on the
door.
As well as my birthday, it's Rubadub's 18th birthday too (Legal to
drink at last!!) and the launch of our new website too so I'll keep
ya'll informed as things develop.
cheers
Jason
Re: (313) New Mills Album - Sleeper Wakes
No problem - think it might be one of his Japanese only CD releases
but you can probably get it from Axis (or us!)
cheers
Jason
On 18 May 2010 14:51, darnistle darnis...@cafe-ebola.com wrote:
A new Mills album! How exciting!!
Thanks for posting this!
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On 5/15/2010 10:53 AM, ja...@iridite.com wrote:
Hi everyone - what you all think of the new Mill's album? Just
listening to it at the moment and it's going down very well indeed -
reminds me of From the 21st (my favourite home listening Mills
album) in places. Lot's of incredibly solid, menacing Bass Drums and
hypnotic ticking Hi Hats (why is it when I do a straight 16's Closed
909 Hi Hat it sounds rubbish and when Mills does it, it sounds
hypnotic) and spaced out chords floating about all over the place.
I forgot to mention, in an attempt to out do Anya at Bleep 43, Rubadub
have Jeff Mills playing here in at the Sub Club in Glasgow on my 40th
(July 23rd if you want to send flowers, cards etc) - the venue holds
about 300-400 people and he rarely gets a chance to play in such
intimate surroundings here so we're looking forward to it. He's
promised to do something pretty special (juggling, kniting??) and is
playing for three hours . The only downside is that as it's a
Significant Birthday for me it's unlikely I'll be able to remember a
thing the next day so he could be playing a set of Euro Trance Bangers
and I wouldn't know the difference.
The first batch of tickets sold out in three days but there will be a
second batch at the start of July and a small amount kept by on the
door.
As well as my birthday, it's Rubadub's 18th birthday too (Legal to
drink at last!!) and the launch of our new website too so I'll keep
ya'll informed as things develop.
cheers
Jason
Re: (313) New Mills Album - Sleeper Wakes
I see on the Axis site that he also has another album out, The
Occurrence, which sounds very fun.
Hopefully, I'll be able to pick up one or both of them in a few weeks
while I'm in Detroit.
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On 5/18/2010 4:55 PM, ja...@iridite.com wrote:
No problem - think it might be one of his Japanese only CD releases
but you can probably get it from Axis (or us!)
cheers
Jason
On 18 May 2010 14:51, darnistledarnis...@cafe-ebola.com wrote:
A new Mills album! How exciting!!
Thanks for posting this!
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On 5/15/2010 10:53 AM, ja...@iridite.com wrote:
Hi everyone - what you all think of the new Mill's album? Just
listening to it at the moment and it's going down very well indeed -
reminds me of From the 21st (my favourite home listening Mills
album) in places. Lot's of incredibly solid, menacing Bass Drums and
hypnotic ticking Hi Hats (why is it when I do a straight 16's Closed
909 Hi Hat it sounds rubbish and when Mills does it, it sounds
hypnotic) and spaced out chords floating about all over the place.
I forgot to mention, in an attempt to out do Anya at Bleep 43, Rubadub
have Jeff Mills playing here in at the Sub Club in Glasgow on my 40th
(July 23rd if you want to send flowers, cards etc) - the venue holds
about 300-400 people and he rarely gets a chance to play in such
intimate surroundings here so we're looking forward to it. He's
promised to do something pretty special (juggling, kniting??) and is
playing for three hours . The only downside is that as it's a
Significant Birthday for me it's unlikely I'll be able to remember a
thing the next day so he could be playing a set of Euro Trance Bangers
and I wouldn't know the difference.
The first batch of tickets sold out in three days but there will be a
second batch at the start of July and a small amount kept by on the
door.
As well as my birthday, it's Rubadub's 18th birthday too (Legal to
drink at last!!) and the launch of our new website too so I'll keep
ya'll informed as things develop.
cheers
Jason
(313) New Mills Album - Sleeper Wakes
Hi everyone - what you all think of the new Mill's album? Just listening to it at the moment and it's going down very well indeed - reminds me of From the 21st (my favourite home listening Mills album) in places. Lot's of incredibly solid, menacing Bass Drums and hypnotic ticking Hi Hats (why is it when I do a straight 16's Closed 909 Hi Hat it sounds rubbish and when Mills does it, it sounds hypnotic) and spaced out chords floating about all over the place. I forgot to mention, in an attempt to out do Anya at Bleep 43, Rubadub have Jeff Mills playing here in at the Sub Club in Glasgow on my 40th (July 23rd if you want to send flowers, cards etc) - the venue holds about 300-400 people and he rarely gets a chance to play in such intimate surroundings here so we're looking forward to it. He's promised to do something pretty special (juggling, kniting??) and is playing for three hours . The only downside is that as it's a Significant Birthday for me it's unlikely I'll be able to remember a thing the next day so he could be playing a set of Euro Trance Bangers and I wouldn't know the difference. The first batch of tickets sold out in three days but there will be a second batch at the start of July and a small amount kept by on the door. As well as my birthday, it's Rubadub's 18th birthday too (Legal to drink at last!!) and the launch of our new website too so I'll keep ya'll informed as things develop. cheers Jason
(313) new Mills out later this week is soundin' deep
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Un5bb1-mEb8 -- http://soundcloud.com/andrewdukecognitionaudio http://myspace.com/andrewduke
Re: (313) New Mills cd, etc.
My freind let me hear the cd, and bought it at hmv.com, but paid alot for it--the digital version is tits. From: Jason Brunton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: David Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: (313) New Mills cd, etc. Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 23:16:45 + Hey David- where did you manage to track it down? cheers Jason On 1 Nov 2005, at 05:27, David Smith wrote: This is an excellent CD well worth the extra effort to find--it is out there ;-D From: Wojtek [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) New Mills cd, etc. Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 16:21:34 -0700 Does anyone have info on this relaease? http://www.discogs.com/ release/544601 Is it availble outside of Japan yet? The discogs notes say that it's a US release, but it doesn't seem to be available from any known outlets. Also, some nice pics of Mills live with a 909 and Scion (does this mean that a new release of theirs is in the works?) performing can be found here http://blog.excite.co.jp/jeff05 wojtek
RE: (313) New Mills cd, etc.
This is an excellent CD well worth the extra effort to find--it is out there ;-D From: Wojtek [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) New Mills cd, etc. Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 16:21:34 -0700 Does anyone have info on this relaease? http://www.discogs.com/release/544601 Is it availble outside of Japan yet? The discogs notes say that it's a US release, but it doesn't seem to be available from any known outlets. Also, some nice pics of Mills live with a 909 and Scion (does this mean that a new release of theirs is in the works?) performing can be found here http://blog.excite.co.jp/jeff05 wojtek
Re: (313) New Mills cd, etc.
Well I have the tracks on the 9 7 records collection and they are good though they sound very classic in the mills style. I guess some of these 7 are still available on the axis shop on the website. -- Benoît. David Smith a écrit : This is an excellent CD well worth the extra effort to find--it is out there ;-D From: Wojtek [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) New Mills cd, etc. Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 16:21:34 -0700 Does anyone have info on this relaease? http://www.discogs.com/release/544601 Is it availble outside of Japan yet? The discogs notes say that it's a US release, but it doesn't seem to be available from any known outlets. Also, some nice pics of Mills live with a 909 and Scion (does this mean that a new release of theirs is in the works?) performing can be found here http://blog.excite.co.jp/jeff05 wojtek
(313) New Mills cd, etc.
Does anyone have info on this relaease? http://www.discogs.com/release/544601 Is it availble outside of Japan yet? The discogs notes say that it's a US release, but it doesn't seem to be available from any known outlets. Also, some nice pics of Mills live with a 909 and Scion (does this mean that a new release of theirs is in the works?) performing can be found here http://blog.excite.co.jp/jeff05 wojtek
Re: (313) New Mills cd, etc.
On Oct 24, 2005, at 19:21, Wojtek wrote: Also, some nice pics of Mills live with a 909 and Scion (does this mean that a new release of theirs is in the works?) performing can be found here http://blog.excite.co.jp/jeff05 there's some fairly recent remixes from substance (half of scion) out in the wild. his remix of mikkel metal on echocord from august is pretty nice -- matt kane's brain http://hydrogenproject.com aim - mkbatwerk || mkbwriu [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: (313) new Mills
its 4/4 techno for gods sake, not encrypted audio code for communication with alien civilizations (although now Im sure someone will argue with that :) ;) - Original Message - From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Robert Taylor' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Andrew [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 7:03 AM Subject: RE: (313) new Mills To you, maybe. To Mills it's obviously conceptual. -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 April 2004 1:02 To: Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills But it's just a record -Original Message- From: Andrew [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 10:58 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills Sorry to pile in here...philosophy background coming into play ;-) Mills chose the symbolic colour of white as the vinyl colour in the design to represent an unknown destination in space and/or time This is actually justified conceptually by thinking about a situation where you are in space which is completely white - no other information is being received by you. You therefore have no sense of change in your environment other than your inner sense of space and/or time, and so in an limited sense these things cease to exist. Philosophically I call this a 'white room' scenario, actually a very interesting situation which highlights certain things about how we perceive and know anything at all. So there! Peace, Andrew # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. # *** Opinions expressed in this email are those of the individual and not Entergy-Koch Trading Limited or its affiliated companies. This email and any files transmitted with it, including replies and forwarded copies (which may contain alterations) subsequently transmitted from the Company, are confidential and solely for the use of the intended recipient. It may contain material protected by attorney-client privilege. If you are not listed on the To or Cc lines of the original email (or are not the person responsible for delivering to an intended recipient), then you are not an intended recipient and have received this email in error. Any use by an unintended recipient is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error please notify the IT manager by telephone on +44 (0)20 7337 8300 or via email to [EMAIL PROTECTED], attaching this message. Please then delete this email and all attachments, and destroy any copies thereof. Thank you. ***
Re: (313) new Mills
also, as my last post on this, and not to attack or argue with tim, as an artist myself, I think people can carry the artistic integrity thing too far. just because music = art and art = endless subjectivity, does not mean that people involved in music and conceptualization cannot disappear up their own arse (love that! hjahahaaha) -joe - Original Message - From: Steward, Tim [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 1:35 PM Subject: RE: (313) new Mills There is no way you can say mills is a lightweight, Music production is an art, and art is a form of expression if you choose not to buy it that's your choice, but call him a lightweight when he is a true artist..It appears to me that he is able to continually re-create himself and capture his audience. If you take a look around the industry there are many people that copy the things he does, for example without naming names - who just recently copied his See The Light idea...and who will copy the dvd concept next.. The art of DJing is not easy we all know, but the art of music production is not easy either (believe me) In order for the techno (electro,house,jungle,trance etc...) scene to survive more people have to constantly step out on the edge and try to re-create themselves. TS-1 (Deep in the 313) Where music evolves from the soul of the city -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 1:27 PM To: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) Cc: 'Robert Taylor'; Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills you want a concept? buy a friggen Nation of Ulysses record. Now they had f**kin concepts. Mills is a lightweight. On Thu, 8 Apr 2004, Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) wrote: Right, right, I see...it's diss Mills time again!! At the end of the day, take it or leave it. If that's how HE chooses to do things, and you don't get it, then don't worry about it!! Take from it what you want. At the end of the day, the concepts don't sell the records to me, at all - but I certainly wouldn't attempt to belittle the ideas by imposing my opinion on others. Better than conceptualising about drug monkeys in a nightclub anyway - because that is just not challenging, in the slightest. -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 April 2004 1:12 To: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills A concept that is somewhat lacking if it takes a load of highfaluting nonsense to explain it. -Original Message- From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:07 AM To: Robert Taylor; Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills That he's composed a piece of music based specifically around an idea, a concept. -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 April 2004 1:06 To: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills My arse exists on more levels than the purely conceptual, Ryan. What do you mean by conceptual? -Original Message- From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:05 AM To: Robert Taylor; Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills No, it's obviously conceptual. -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 April 2004 1:04 To: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills My arse -Original Message- From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:03 AM To: Robert Taylor; Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills To you, maybe. To Mills it's obviously conceptual. -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 April 2004 1:02 To: Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills But it's just a record -Original Message- From: Andrew [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 10:58 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills Sorry to pile in here...philosophy background coming into play ;-) Mills chose the symbolic colour of white as the vinyl colour in the design to represent an unknown destination in space and/or time This is actually justified conceptually by thinking about a situation where you are in space which is completely white - no other information is being received by you. You therefore have no sense of change in your environment other than your inner sense of space and/or time, and so in an limited sense these things cease to exist. Philosophically I call this a 'white room' scenario, actually a very interesting situation which
(313) new Mills
just read the following on littledetroit.net there's a new Mills coming, and it's some follow-up to Growth! now there's a fierce record. I still remember where I was when I first heard that on a big system. what a track. conjured up visions of things in my head and all sorts. he's still talking a load of twaddle though - check the link. http://www.dancefrontdoor.co.uk/article2836.html alex _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
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he's still talking a load of twaddle though - check the link. http://www.dancefrontdoor.co.uk/article2836.html I love this bit: We resolved the mastering with references to Classical Music. So by, lowering the overall level, we were able to conform to the format of vinyl Ha ha - in other words: we had to turn the level down so it'll be a quiet pressing :)
RE: (313) new Mills
what gets me is his workload, not only is he here there and everywhere and releasing more records than anyone else he is now releasing a score for a film in May!!.I mean is he sponsored by red bull or something :) -Original Message- From: Tom Churchill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thu 08/04/2004 11:02 To: Alex Bond; 313 Cc: Subject: Re: (313) new Mills he's still talking a load of twaddle though - check the link. http://www.dancefrontdoor.co.uk/article2836.html I love this bit: We resolved the mastering with references to Classical Music. So by, lowering the overall level, we were able to conform to the format of vinyl Ha ha - in other words: we had to turn the level down so it'll be a quiet pressing :)
RE: (313) new Mills
What film do you speak of, Ian? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 10:10 AM To: Tom Churchill; Alex Bond; 313 Subject: RE: (313) new Mills what gets me is his workload, not only is he here there and everywhere and releasing more records than anyone else he is now releasing a score for a film in May!!.I mean is he sponsored by red bull or something :) -Original Message- From: Tom Churchill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thu 08/04/2004 11:02 To: Alex Bond; 313 Cc: Subject: Re: (313) new Mills he's still talking a load of twaddle though - check the link. http://www.dancefrontdoor.co.uk/article2836.html I love this bit: We resolved the mastering with references to Classical Music. So by, lowering the overall level, we were able to conform to the format of vinyl Ha ha - in other words: we had to turn the level down so it'll be a quiet pressing :) # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. #
RE: (313) new Mills
It's in the article, a Buster Keaton movie. -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 April 2004 12:15 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tom Churchill; Alex Bond; 313 Subject: RE: (313) new Mills What film do you speak of, Ian? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 10:10 AM To: Tom Churchill; Alex Bond; 313 Subject: RE: (313) new Mills what gets me is his workload, not only is he here there and everywhere and releasing more records than anyone else he is now releasing a score for a film in May!!.I mean is he sponsored by red bull or something :) -Original Message- From: Tom Churchill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thu 08/04/2004 11:02 To: Alex Bond; 313 Cc: Subject: Re: (313) new Mills he's still talking a load of twaddle though - check the link. http://www.dancefrontdoor.co.uk/article2836.html I love this bit: We resolved the mastering with references to Classical Music. So by, lowering the overall level, we were able to conform to the format of vinyl Ha ha - in other words: we had to turn the level down so it'll be a quiet pressing :) # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. # *** Opinions expressed in this email are those of the individual and not Entergy-Koch Trading Limited or its affiliated companies. This email and any files transmitted with it, including replies and forwarded copies (which may contain alterations) subsequently transmitted from the Company, are confidential and solely for the use of the intended recipient. It may contain material protected by attorney-client privilege. If you are not listed on the To or Cc lines of the original email (or are not the person responsible for delivering to an intended recipient), then you are not an intended recipient and have received this email in error. Any use by an unintended recipient is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error please notify the IT manager by telephone on +44 (0)20 7337 8300 or via email to [EMAIL PROTECTED], attaching this message. Please then delete this email and all attachments, and destroy any copies thereof. Thank you. ***
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thanks Ryan :) BTW the radio was wicked last night Rob its Buster Keaton movie 'The Three Ages' -Original Message- From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thu 08/04/2004 11:17 To: 'Robert Taylor'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tom Churchill; Alex Bond; 313 Cc: Subject: RE: (313) new Mills It's in the article, a Buster Keaton movie. -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 April 2004 12:15 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tom Churchill; Alex Bond; 313 Subject: RE: (313) new Mills What film do you speak of, Ian? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 10:10 AM To: Tom Churchill; Alex Bond; 313 Subject: RE: (313) new Mills what gets me is his workload, not only is he here there and everywhere and releasing more records than anyone else he is now releasing a score for a film in May!!.I mean is he sponsored by red bull or something :) -Original Message- From: Tom Churchill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thu 08/04/2004 11:02 To: Alex Bond; 313 Cc: Subject: Re: (313) new Mills he's still talking a load of twaddle though - check the link. http://www.dancefrontdoor.co.uk/article2836.html I love this bit: We resolved the mastering with references to Classical Music. So by, lowering the overall level, we were able to conform to the format of vinyl Ha ha - in other words: we had to turn the level down so it'll be a quiet pressing :) # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. # *** Opinions expressed in this email are those of the individual and not Entergy-Koch Trading Limited or its affiliated companies. This email and any files transmitted with it, including replies and forwarded copies (which may contain alterations) subsequently transmitted from the Company, are confidential and solely for the use of the intended recipient. It may contain material protected by attorney-client privilege. If you are not listed on the To or Cc lines of the original email (or are not the person responsible for delivering to an intended recipient), then you are not an intended recipient and have received this email in error. Any use by an unintended recipient is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error please notify the IT manager by telephone on +44 (0)20 7337 8300 or via email to [EMAIL PROTECTED], attaching this message. Please then delete this email and all attachments, and destroy any copies thereof. Thank you. ***
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Ha ha - in other words: we had to turn the level down so it'll be a quiet pressing :) heh! : ) I like this bit as well Mills chose the symbolic colour of white as the vinyl colour in the design to represent an unknown destination in space and/or time oh, right, I see. didn't just fancy some posh coloured vinyl then Jeff? alex p.s. this is not a I hate Jeff Mills thread because I don't at all, I have the upmost respect for him. But, blimey, I can't help feeling everything he does seems to HAVE to have a concept or a reason, and, at times it comes across like he makes it all up after he's made the music to market it better. (to my un-cultured eyes anyway) suppose I shouldn't poke fun at it really, but, oh well. _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
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Sorry to pile in here...philosophy background coming into play ;-) Mills chose the symbolic colour of white as the vinyl colour in the design to represent an unknown destination in space and/or time This is actually justified conceptually by thinking about a situation where you are in space which is completely white - no other information is being received by you. You therefore have no sense of change in your environment other than your inner sense of space and/or time, and so in an limited sense these things cease to exist. Philosophically I call this a 'white room' scenario, actually a very interesting situation which highlights certain things about how we perceive and know anything at all. So there! Peace, Andrew
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white is not even a colour. -Original Message- From: Andrew [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: donderdag 8 april 2004 12:58 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills Sorry to pile in here...philosophy background coming into play ;-) Mills chose the symbolic colour of white as the vinyl colour in the design to represent an unknown destination in space and/or time This is actually justified conceptually by thinking about a situation where you are in space which is completely white - no other information is being received by you. You therefore have no sense of change in your environment other than your inner sense of space and/or time, and so in an limited sense these things cease to exist. Philosophically I call this a 'white room' scenario, actually a very interesting situation which highlights certain things about how we perceive and know anything at all. So there! Peace, Andrew The information contained in this e-mail communication is solely intended for the person/legal person to whom it has been sent, and as it may contain information of a personal or confidential nature, it may not be made public by virtue of law, regulations or agreement. If someone other than the intended recipient should receive or come into possession of this e-mail communication, he/she will not be entitled to read, disseminate, disclose or duplicate it. If you are not the intended recipient, you are requested to inform the sender of this e-mail message of this immediately, and to destroy the original e-mail communication. Neither Randstad Holding nv nor its subsidiaries accept any liability for incorrect and incomplete transmission or delayed receipt of this e-mail.
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But it's just a record -Original Message- From: Andrew [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 10:58 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills Sorry to pile in here...philosophy background coming into play ;-) Mills chose the symbolic colour of white as the vinyl colour in the design to represent an unknown destination in space and/or time This is actually justified conceptually by thinking about a situation where you are in space which is completely white - no other information is being received by you. You therefore have no sense of change in your environment other than your inner sense of space and/or time, and so in an limited sense these things cease to exist. Philosophically I call this a 'white room' scenario, actually a very interesting situation which highlights certain things about how we perceive and know anything at all. So there! Peace, Andrew # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. #
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To you, maybe. To Mills it's obviously conceptual. -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 April 2004 1:02 To: Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills But it's just a record -Original Message- From: Andrew [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 10:58 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills Sorry to pile in here...philosophy background coming into play ;-) Mills chose the symbolic colour of white as the vinyl colour in the design to represent an unknown destination in space and/or time This is actually justified conceptually by thinking about a situation where you are in space which is completely white - no other information is being received by you. You therefore have no sense of change in your environment other than your inner sense of space and/or time, and so in an limited sense these things cease to exist. Philosophically I call this a 'white room' scenario, actually a very interesting situation which highlights certain things about how we perceive and know anything at all. So there! Peace, Andrew # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. # *** Opinions expressed in this email are those of the individual and not Entergy-Koch Trading Limited or its affiliated companies. This email and any files transmitted with it, including replies and forwarded copies (which may contain alterations) subsequently transmitted from the Company, are confidential and solely for the use of the intended recipient. It may contain material protected by attorney-client privilege. If you are not listed on the To or Cc lines of the original email (or are not the person responsible for delivering to an intended recipient), then you are not an intended recipient and have received this email in error. Any use by an unintended recipient is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error please notify the IT manager by telephone on +44 (0)20 7337 8300 or via email to [EMAIL PROTECTED], attaching this message. Please then delete this email and all attachments, and destroy any copies thereof. Thank you. ***
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My arse -Original Message- From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:03 AM To: Robert Taylor; Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills To you, maybe. To Mills it's obviously conceptual. -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 April 2004 1:02 To: Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills But it's just a record -Original Message- From: Andrew [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 10:58 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills Sorry to pile in here...philosophy background coming into play ;-) Mills chose the symbolic colour of white as the vinyl colour in the design to represent an unknown destination in space and/or time This is actually justified conceptually by thinking about a situation where you are in space which is completely white - no other information is being received by you. You therefore have no sense of change in your environment other than your inner sense of space and/or time, and so in an limited sense these things cease to exist. Philosophically I call this a 'white room' scenario, actually a very interesting situation which highlights certain things about how we perceive and know anything at all. So there! Peace, Andrew # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. # *** Opinions expressed in this email are those of the individual and not Entergy-Koch Trading Limited or its affiliated companies. This email and any files transmitted with it, including replies and forwarded copies (which may contain alterations) subsequently transmitted from the Company, are confidential and solely for the use of the intended recipient. It may contain material protected by attorney-client privilege. If you are not listed on the To or Cc lines of the original email (or are not the person responsible for delivering to an intended recipient), then you are not an intended recipient and have received this email in error. Any use by an unintended recipient is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error please notify the IT manager by telephone on +44 (0)20 7337 8300 or via email to [EMAIL PROTECTED], attaching this message. Please then delete this email and all attachments, and destroy any copies thereof. Thank you. *** # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. #
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No, it's obviously conceptual. -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 April 2004 1:04 To: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills My arse -Original Message- From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:03 AM To: Robert Taylor; Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills To you, maybe. To Mills it's obviously conceptual. -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 April 2004 1:02 To: Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills But it's just a record -Original Message- From: Andrew [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 10:58 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills Sorry to pile in here...philosophy background coming into play ;-) Mills chose the symbolic colour of white as the vinyl colour in the design to represent an unknown destination in space and/or time This is actually justified conceptually by thinking about a situation where you are in space which is completely white - no other information is being received by you. You therefore have no sense of change in your environment other than your inner sense of space and/or time, and so in an limited sense these things cease to exist. Philosophically I call this a 'white room' scenario, actually a very interesting situation which highlights certain things about how we perceive and know anything at all. So there! Peace, Andrew # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. # *** Opinions expressed in this email are those of the individual and not Entergy-Koch Trading Limited or its affiliated companies. This email and any files transmitted with it, including replies and forwarded copies (which may contain alterations) subsequently transmitted from the Company, are confidential and solely for the use of the intended recipient. It may contain material protected by attorney-client privilege. If you are not listed on the To or Cc lines of the original email (or are not the person responsible for delivering to an intended recipient), then you are not an intended recipient and have received this email in error. Any use by an unintended recipient is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error please notify the IT manager by telephone on +44 (0)20 7337 8300 or via email to [EMAIL PROTECTED], attaching this message. Please then delete this email and all attachments, and destroy any copies thereof. Thank you. *** # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. # *** Opinions expressed in this email are those of the individual and not Entergy-Koch Trading Limited or its affiliated companies. This email and any files transmitted with it, including replies and forwarded copies (which may contain alterations) subsequently transmitted from the Company, are confidential and solely for the use of the intended recipient. It may contain material protected by attorney-client privilege. If you are not listed on the To or Cc lines of the original email (or are not the person responsible for delivering to an intended recipient), then you are not an intended recipient and have received this email in error. Any use by an unintended recipient is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error please notify the IT manager by telephone on +44 (0)20 7337 8300 or via email to [EMAIL PROTECTED], attaching this message. Please then delete this email and all attachments, and destroy any copies thereof. Thank you. ***
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the smallest room scenario... -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: donderdag 8 april 2004 14:04 To: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills My arse The information contained in this e-mail communication is solely intended for the person/legal person to whom it has been sent, and as it may contain information of a personal or confidential nature, it may not be made public by virtue of law, regulations or agreement. If someone other than the intended recipient should receive or come into possession of this e-mail communication, he/she will not be entitled to read, disseminate, disclose or duplicate it. If you are not the intended recipient, you are requested to inform the sender of this e-mail message of this immediately, and to destroy the original e-mail communication. Neither Randstad Holding nv nor its subsidiaries accept any liability for incorrect and incomplete transmission or delayed receipt of this e-mail.
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My arse exists on more levels than the purely conceptual, Ryan. What do you mean by conceptual? -Original Message- From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:05 AM To: Robert Taylor; Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills No, it's obviously conceptual. -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 April 2004 1:04 To: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills My arse -Original Message- From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:03 AM To: Robert Taylor; Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills To you, maybe. To Mills it's obviously conceptual. -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 April 2004 1:02 To: Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills But it's just a record -Original Message- From: Andrew [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 10:58 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills Sorry to pile in here...philosophy background coming into play ;-) Mills chose the symbolic colour of white as the vinyl colour in the design to represent an unknown destination in space and/or time This is actually justified conceptually by thinking about a situation where you are in space which is completely white - no other information is being received by you. You therefore have no sense of change in your environment other than your inner sense of space and/or time, and so in an limited sense these things cease to exist. Philosophically I call this a 'white room' scenario, actually a very interesting situation which highlights certain things about how we perceive and know anything at all. So there! Peace, Andrew # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. # *** Opinions expressed in this email are those of the individual and not Entergy-Koch Trading Limited or its affiliated companies. This email and any files transmitted with it, including replies and forwarded copies (which may contain alterations) subsequently transmitted from the Company, are confidential and solely for the use of the intended recipient. It may contain material protected by attorney-client privilege. If you are not listed on the To or Cc lines of the original email (or are not the person responsible for delivering to an intended recipient), then you are not an intended recipient and have received this email in error. Any use by an unintended recipient is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error please notify the IT manager by telephone on +44 (0)20 7337 8300 or via email to [EMAIL PROTECTED], attaching this message. Please then delete this email and all attachments, and destroy any copies thereof. Thank you. *** # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. # *** Opinions expressed in this email are those of the individual and not Entergy-Koch Trading Limited or its affiliated companies. This email and any files transmitted with it, including replies and forwarded copies (which may contain alterations) subsequently transmitted from the Company, are confidential and solely for the use of the intended recipient. It may contain material protected by attorney-client privilege. If you are not listed on the To or Cc lines of the original email (or are not the person responsible for delivering to an intended recipient), then you are not an intended recipient and have received this email in error. Any use by an unintended recipient is strictly prohibited. If you have
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That he's composed a piece of music based specifically around an idea, a concept. -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 April 2004 1:06 To: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills My arse exists on more levels than the purely conceptual, Ryan. What do you mean by conceptual? -Original Message- From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:05 AM To: Robert Taylor; Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills No, it's obviously conceptual. -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 April 2004 1:04 To: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills My arse -Original Message- From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:03 AM To: Robert Taylor; Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills To you, maybe. To Mills it's obviously conceptual. -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 April 2004 1:02 To: Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills But it's just a record -Original Message- From: Andrew [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 10:58 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills Sorry to pile in here...philosophy background coming into play ;-) Mills chose the symbolic colour of white as the vinyl colour in the design to represent an unknown destination in space and/or time This is actually justified conceptually by thinking about a situation where you are in space which is completely white - no other information is being received by you. You therefore have no sense of change in your environment other than your inner sense of space and/or time, and so in an limited sense these things cease to exist. Philosophically I call this a 'white room' scenario, actually a very interesting situation which highlights certain things about how we perceive and know anything at all. So there! Peace, Andrew # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. # *** Opinions expressed in this email are those of the individual and not Entergy-Koch Trading Limited or its affiliated companies. This email and any files transmitted with it, including replies and forwarded copies (which may contain alterations) subsequently transmitted from the Company, are confidential and solely for the use of the intended recipient. It may contain material protected by attorney-client privilege. If you are not listed on the To or Cc lines of the original email (or are not the person responsible for delivering to an intended recipient), then you are not an intended recipient and have received this email in error. Any use by an unintended recipient is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error please notify the IT manager by telephone on +44 (0)20 7337 8300 or via email to [EMAIL PROTECTED], attaching this message. Please then delete this email and all attachments, and destroy any copies thereof. Thank you. *** # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. # *** Opinions expressed in this email are those of the individual and not Entergy-Koch Trading Limited or its affiliated companies. This email and any files transmitted with it, including replies and forwarded copies (which may contain alterations) subsequently transmitted from the Company, are confidential and solely for the use of the intended recipient. It may contain material protected by attorney-client privilege. If you are not listed on the To or Cc
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Maybe this is just because his 909 is white! -Original Message- From: Andrew [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 3:58 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills Sorry to pile in here...philosophy background coming into play ;-) Mills chose the symbolic colour of white as the vinyl colour in the design to represent an unknown destination in space and/or time This is actually justified conceptually by thinking about a situation where you are in space which is completely white - no other information is being received by you. You therefore have no sense of change in your environment other than your inner sense of space and/or time, and so in an limited sense these things cease to exist. Philosophically I call this a 'white room' scenario, actually a very interesting situation which highlights certain things about how we perceive and know anything at all. So there! Peace, Andrew
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you think he started doing a tune thinking this one is going on white vinyl? he probably got a discount while pressing or the labels looked ace on white i dont mind conceptualization but you can find a concept in hindsight in jusyt about anything yes, robert, even your arse. i´ll leave it up to someone else though. sorry The information contained in this e-mail communication is solely intended for the person/legal person to whom it has been sent, and as it may contain information of a personal or confidential nature, it may not be made public by virtue of law, regulations or agreement. If someone other than the intended recipient should receive or come into possession of this e-mail communication, he/she will not be entitled to read, disseminate, disclose or duplicate it. If you are not the intended recipient, you are requested to inform the sender of this e-mail message of this immediately, and to destroy the original e-mail communication. Neither Randstad Holding nv nor its subsidiaries accept any liability for incorrect and incomplete transmission or delayed receipt of this e-mail.
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A concept that is somewhat lacking if it takes a load of highfaluting nonsense to explain it. -Original Message- From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:07 AM To: Robert Taylor; Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills That he's composed a piece of music based specifically around an idea, a concept. -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 April 2004 1:06 To: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills My arse exists on more levels than the purely conceptual, Ryan. What do you mean by conceptual? -Original Message- From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:05 AM To: Robert Taylor; Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills No, it's obviously conceptual. -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 April 2004 1:04 To: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills My arse -Original Message- From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:03 AM To: Robert Taylor; Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills To you, maybe. To Mills it's obviously conceptual. -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 April 2004 1:02 To: Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills But it's just a record -Original Message- From: Andrew [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 10:58 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills Sorry to pile in here...philosophy background coming into play ;-) Mills chose the symbolic colour of white as the vinyl colour in the design to represent an unknown destination in space and/or time This is actually justified conceptually by thinking about a situation where you are in space which is completely white - no other information is being received by you. You therefore have no sense of change in your environment other than your inner sense of space and/or time, and so in an limited sense these things cease to exist. Philosophically I call this a 'white room' scenario, actually a very interesting situation which highlights certain things about how we perceive and know anything at all. So there! Peace, Andrew # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. # *** Opinions expressed in this email are those of the individual and not Entergy-Koch Trading Limited or its affiliated companies. This email and any files transmitted with it, including replies and forwarded copies (which may contain alterations) subsequently transmitted from the Company, are confidential and solely for the use of the intended recipient. It may contain material protected by attorney-client privilege. If you are not listed on the To or Cc lines of the original email (or are not the person responsible for delivering to an intended recipient), then you are not an intended recipient and have received this email in error. Any use by an unintended recipient is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error please notify the IT manager by telephone on +44 (0)20 7337 8300 or via email to [EMAIL PROTECTED], attaching this message. Please then delete this email and all attachments, and destroy any copies thereof. Thank you. *** # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. # *** Opinions expressed in this email are those of the individual and not Entergy-Koch Trading Limited or its affiliated companies. This email
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RE: (313) new Mills
Right, right, I see...it's diss Mills time again!! At the end of the day, take it or leave it. If that's how HE chooses to do things, and you don't get it, then don't worry about it!! Take from it what you want. At the end of the day, the concepts don't sell the records to me, at all - but I certainly wouldn't attempt to belittle the ideas by imposing my opinion on others. Better than conceptualising about drug monkeys in a nightclub anyway - because that is just not challenging, in the slightest. -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 April 2004 1:12 To: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills A concept that is somewhat lacking if it takes a load of highfaluting nonsense to explain it. -Original Message- From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:07 AM To: Robert Taylor; Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills That he's composed a piece of music based specifically around an idea, a concept. -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 April 2004 1:06 To: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills My arse exists on more levels than the purely conceptual, Ryan. What do you mean by conceptual? -Original Message- From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:05 AM To: Robert Taylor; Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills No, it's obviously conceptual. -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 April 2004 1:04 To: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills My arse -Original Message- From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:03 AM To: Robert Taylor; Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills To you, maybe. To Mills it's obviously conceptual. -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 April 2004 1:02 To: Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills But it's just a record -Original Message- From: Andrew [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 10:58 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills Sorry to pile in here...philosophy background coming into play ;-) Mills chose the symbolic colour of white as the vinyl colour in the design to represent an unknown destination in space and/or time This is actually justified conceptually by thinking about a situation where you are in space which is completely white - no other information is being received by you. You therefore have no sense of change in your environment other than your inner sense of space and/or time, and so in an limited sense these things cease to exist. Philosophically I call this a 'white room' scenario, actually a very interesting situation which highlights certain things about how we perceive and know anything at all. So there! Peace, Andrew # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. # *** Opinions expressed in this email are those of the individual and not Entergy-Koch Trading Limited or its affiliated companies. This email and any files transmitted with it, including replies and forwarded copies (which may contain alterations) subsequently transmitted from the Company, are confidential and solely for the use of the intended recipient. It may contain material protected by attorney-client privilege. If you are not listed on the To or Cc lines of the original email (or are not the person responsible for delivering to an intended recipient), then you are not an intended recipient and have received this email in error. Any use by an unintended recipient is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error please notify the IT manager by telephone on +44 (0)20 7337 8300 or via email to [EMAIL PROTECTED], attaching this message. Please then delete this email and all attachments, and destroy any copies thereof. Thank you. *** # Note: Any views or opinions
RE: (313) new Mills
It´s good to be critical, even about the wizard The information contained in this e-mail communication is solely intended for the person/legal person to whom it has been sent, and as it may contain information of a personal or confidential nature, it may not be made public by virtue of law, regulations or agreement. If someone other than the intended recipient should receive or come into possession of this e-mail communication, he/she will not be entitled to read, disseminate, disclose or duplicate it. If you are not the intended recipient, you are requested to inform the sender of this e-mail message of this immediately, and to destroy the original e-mail communication. Neither Randstad Holding nv nor its subsidiaries accept any liability for incorrect and incomplete transmission or delayed receipt of this e-mail.
RE: (313) new Mills
Bottom line is. We will all buy it... Conceptual, non conceptual... who cares..if it sounds good..i'll take it... As long as the white vinyl doesn't make it sound like it was recorded inside a huge empty can of baked beans I'm happy... p -Original Message- From: Peteri, Jochem [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 April 2004 12:13 To: quest pond Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills and a 909 is creme The information contained in this e-mail communication is solely intended for the person/legal person to whom it has been sent, and as it may contain information of a personal or confidential nature, it may not be made public by virtue of law, regulations or agreement. If someone other than the intended recipient should receive or come into possession of this e-mail communication, he/she will not be entitled to read, disseminate, disclose or duplicate it. If you are not the intended recipient, you are requested to inform the sender of this e-mail message of this immediately, and to destroy the original e-mail communication. Neither Randstad Holding nv nor its subsidiaries accept any liability for incorrect and incomplete transmission or delayed receipt of this e-mail.
RE: (313) new Mills
Well if we're going back to the old ways i'm hoping next we might see HM hood and mills return one day. Personally this is some of my favourite stuff from him. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 2:30 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) new Mills just read the following on littledetroit.net there's a new Mills coming, and it's some follow-up to Growth! now there's a fierce record. I still remember where I was when I first heard that on a big system. what a track. conjured up visions of things in my head and all sorts. he's still talking a load of twaddle though - check the link. http://www.dancefrontdoor.co.uk/article2836.html alex _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
RE: (313) new Mills
Nothing wrong with 'dissing' him if you think he's an airbag. Don't feel the need to defend and justify his every action just because you admire him as an artist and a DJ, Ryan. -Original Message- From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:17 AM To: Robert Taylor; Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills Right, right, I see...it's diss Mills time again!! At the end of the day, take it or leave it. If that's how HE chooses to do things, and you don't get it, then don't worry about it!! Take from it what you want. At the end of the day, the concepts don't sell the records to me, at all - but I certainly wouldn't attempt to belittle the ideas by imposing my opinion on others. Better than conceptualising about drug monkeys in a nightclub anyway - because that is just not challenging, in the slightest. -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 April 2004 1:12 To: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills A concept that is somewhat lacking if it takes a load of highfaluting nonsense to explain it. -Original Message- From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:07 AM To: Robert Taylor; Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills That he's composed a piece of music based specifically around an idea, a concept. -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 April 2004 1:06 To: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills My arse exists on more levels than the purely conceptual, Ryan. What do you mean by conceptual? -Original Message- From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:05 AM To: Robert Taylor; Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills No, it's obviously conceptual. -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 April 2004 1:04 To: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills My arse -Original Message- From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:03 AM To: Robert Taylor; Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills To you, maybe. To Mills it's obviously conceptual. -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 April 2004 1:02 To: Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills But it's just a record -Original Message- From: Andrew [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 10:58 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills Sorry to pile in here...philosophy background coming into play ;-) Mills chose the symbolic colour of white as the vinyl colour in the design to represent an unknown destination in space and/or time This is actually justified conceptually by thinking about a situation where you are in space which is completely white - no other information is being received by you. You therefore have no sense of change in your environment other than your inner sense of space and/or time, and so in an limited sense these things cease to exist. Philosophically I call this a 'white room' scenario, actually a very interesting situation which highlights certain things about how we perceive and know anything at all. So there! Peace, Andrew # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. # *** Opinions expressed in this email are those of the individual and not Entergy-Koch Trading Limited or its affiliated companies. This email and any files transmitted with it, including replies and forwarded copies (which may contain alterations) subsequently transmitted from the Company, are confidential and solely for the use of the intended recipient. It may contain material protected by attorney-client privilege. If you are not listed on the To or Cc lines of the original email (or are not the person responsible for delivering to an intended recipient), then you are not an intended recipient and have received this email in error. Any use by an unintended recipient is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error please notify the IT manager
RE: (313) new Mills
I didn't think my explanation was particularly high-falutin! Perhaps his execution isn't as precise as might be, but I personally don't mind when any artists tries to articulate their motivation in a concept. Do we here this kind of slagging off about Sun Ra or John Coltrane? For me there is an element of intellectual dumbing-down in the club end of electronic music, and artists like Jeff or UR or Drexciya or Dopplereffekt or whoever else escapes my mind right now use concepts to deliver the music on a different - not higher! - level. And I like it! And I don't believe there's any such thing as 'just' a record, each one is, or should be, special. They deserve all the love, care, thought and attention as any other work of art. Although I wouldn't want the music to turn into an aural equivalent of Tate Modern, with little explanations on the sleeves to 'tell' you what you're listening to, like a lot of avant-garde electronics. Even still, no amount of explanation can make a whack track a fat track. And Jeff continually makes fat tracks. Nuff said. Peace, Andrew -Original Message- From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 April 2004 12:17 To: 'Robert Taylor'; Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills Right, right, I see...it's diss Mills time again!! At the end of the day, take it or leave it. If that's how HE chooses to do things, and you don't get it, then don't worry about it!! Take from it what you want. At the end of the day, the concepts don't sell the records to me, at all - but I certainly wouldn't attempt to belittle the ideas by imposing my opinion on others. Better than conceptualising about drug monkeys in a nightclub anyway - because that is just not challenging, in the slightest. -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 April 2004 1:12 To: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills A concept that is somewhat lacking if it takes a load of highfaluting nonsense to explain it. -Original Message- From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:07 AM To: Robert Taylor; Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills That he's composed a piece of music based specifically around an idea, a concept. -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 April 2004 1:06 To: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills My arse exists on more levels than the purely conceptual, Ryan. What do you mean by conceptual? -Original Message- From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:05 AM To: Robert Taylor; Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills No, it's obviously conceptual. -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 April 2004 1:04 To: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills My arse -Original Message- From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:03 AM To: Robert Taylor; Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills To you, maybe. To Mills it's obviously conceptual. -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 April 2004 1:02 To: Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills But it's just a record -Original Message- From: Andrew [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 10:58 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills Sorry to pile in here...philosophy background coming into play ;-) Mills chose the symbolic colour of white as the vinyl colour in the design to represent an unknown destination in space and/or time This is actually justified conceptually by thinking about a situation where you are in space which is completely white - no other information is being received by you. You therefore have no sense of change in your environment other than your inner sense of space and/or time, and so in an limited sense these things cease to exist. Philosophically I call this a 'white room' scenario, actually a very interesting situation which highlights certain things about how we perceive and know anything at all. So there! Peace, Andrew # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You
Re: (313) Concepts (was new Mills)
Personally, I think it's valid enough to question the true depth of some conceptual projects (not just Mills, but in general). Concepts can be a fantastic way of adding more weight to any artistic work, and a way of encouraging people to think more about what they are involved in and listening to. But if their purpose is partly to open peoples minds and get them to consider and dicuss as well as simply consuming, then surely it is also important that we are able to criticise them? Particularly as more and more conceptual ideas are blatently being used to distract from the mediocrity of the music itself. eg - would you buy a sh*t album just cause it had a nice cover or was pressed on purple crushed velvet vinyl? - Original Message - From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Robert Taylor' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Andrew [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 12:17 PM Subject: RE: (313) new Mills Right, right, I see...it's diss Mills time again!! At the end of the day, take it or leave it. If that's how HE chooses to do things, and you don't get it, then don't worry about it!! Take from it what you want. At the end of the day, the concepts don't sell the records to me, at all - but I certainly wouldn't attempt to belittle the ideas by imposing my opinion on others. Better than conceptualising about drug monkeys in a nightclub anyway - because that is just not challenging, in the slightest. -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 April 2004 1:12 To: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills A concept that is somewhat lacking if it takes a load of highfaluting nonsense to explain it. -Original Message- From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:07 AM To: Robert Taylor; Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills That he's composed a piece of music based specifically around an idea, a concept. -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 April 2004 1:06 To: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills My arse exists on more levels than the purely conceptual, Ryan. What do you mean by conceptual? -Original Message- From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:05 AM To: Robert Taylor; Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills No, it's obviously conceptual. -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 April 2004 1:04 To: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills My arse -Original Message- From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:03 AM To: Robert Taylor; Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills To you, maybe. To Mills it's obviously conceptual. -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 April 2004 1:02 To: Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills But it's just a record -Original Message- From: Andrew [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 10:58 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills Sorry to pile in here...philosophy background coming into play ;-) Mills chose the symbolic colour of white as the vinyl colour in the design to represent an unknown destination in space and/or time This is actually justified conceptually by thinking about a situation where you are in space which is completely white - no other information is being received by you. You therefore have no sense of change in your environment other than your inner sense of space and/or time, and so in an limited sense these things cease to exist. Philosophically I call this a 'white room' scenario, actually a very interesting situation which highlights certain things about how we perceive and know anything at all. So there! Peace, Andrew # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. # *** Opinions expressed in this email are those of the individual and not Entergy-Koch Trading Limited
RE: (313) new Mills/let's pray
*lets pray* dear lord, please shelter my inbox today as 313 continues to discuss jeff mills. In times of chaos, it is my inbox Lord that needs protection and strength from the mighty, mighty power of the tongue and musically drenched geeked minded emails that are about to deluge it on this glorious day. Dear Lord, please be on standby in the extreme case that the praise and dismissal of R.Hawtin and Carl Craig slip from the fingers of those who cyber surround me at this time. *AMEN* goodmorning.from this side. d NP:Four Tet..and now ODB...Four Tet remix Radiohead 'if you stop i'll put the killer ants in your pants' --- Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Right, right, I see...it's diss Mills time again!! At the end of the day, take it or leave it. If that's how HE chooses to do things, and you don't get it, then don't worry about it!! Take from it what you want. At the end of the day, the concepts don't sell the records to me, at all - but I certainly wouldn't attempt to belittle the ideas by imposing my opinion on others. Better than conceptualising about drug monkeys in a nightclub anyway - because that is just not challenging, in the slightest. -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 April 2004 1:12 To: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills A concept that is somewhat lacking if it takes a load of highfaluting nonsense to explain it. -Original Message- From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:07 AM To: Robert Taylor; Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills That he's composed a piece of music based specifically around an idea, a concept. -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 April 2004 1:06 To: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills My arse exists on more levels than the purely conceptual, Ryan. What do you mean by conceptual? -Original Message- From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:05 AM To: Robert Taylor; Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills No, it's obviously conceptual. -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 April 2004 1:04 To: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills My arse -Original Message- From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:03 AM To: Robert Taylor; Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills To you, maybe. To Mills it's obviously conceptual. -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 April 2004 1:02 To: Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills But it's just a record -Original Message- From: Andrew [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 10:58 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills Sorry to pile in here...philosophy background coming into play ;-) Mills chose the symbolic colour of white as the vinyl colour in the design to represent an unknown destination in space and/or time This is actually justified conceptually by thinking about a situation where you are in space which is completely white - no other information is being received by you. You therefore have no sense of change in your environment other than your inner sense of space and/or time, and so in an limited sense these things cease to exist. Philosophically I call this a 'white room' scenario, actually a very interesting situation which highlights certain things about how we perceive and know anything at all. So there! Peace, Andrew # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. # *** Opinions expressed in this email are those of the individual and not Entergy-Koch Trading Limited or its affiliated companies. This email and any files transmitted with it, including replies and forwarded copies (which may contain alterations) subsequently transmitted from the Company, are confidential and solely for the use
RE: (313) new Mills
No, I don't at all - if you read my last mail you'll see that I don't do the concept thing myself, but I don't impose my opinions on others either. I mean, you could be cynical about absolutely anything, couldn't you?? This could be about football, politics, washing powder, whatever. -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 April 2004 1:25 To: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills Nothing wrong with 'dissing' him if you think he's an airbag. Don't feel the need to defend and justify his every action just because you admire him as an artist and a DJ, Ryan. -Original Message- From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:17 AM To: Robert Taylor; Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills Right, right, I see...it's diss Mills time again!! At the end of the day, take it or leave it. If that's how HE chooses to do things, and you don't get it, then don't worry about it!! Take from it what you want. At the end of the day, the concepts don't sell the records to me, at all - but I certainly wouldn't attempt to belittle the ideas by imposing my opinion on others. Better than conceptualising about drug monkeys in a nightclub anyway - because that is just not challenging, in the slightest. -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 April 2004 1:12 To: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills A concept that is somewhat lacking if it takes a load of highfaluting nonsense to explain it. -Original Message- From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:07 AM To: Robert Taylor; Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills That he's composed a piece of music based specifically around an idea, a concept. -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 April 2004 1:06 To: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills My arse exists on more levels than the purely conceptual, Ryan. What do you mean by conceptual? -Original Message- From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:05 AM To: Robert Taylor; Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills No, it's obviously conceptual. -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 April 2004 1:04 To: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills My arse -Original Message- From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:03 AM To: Robert Taylor; Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills To you, maybe. To Mills it's obviously conceptual. -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 April 2004 1:02 To: Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills But it's just a record -Original Message- From: Andrew [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 10:58 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills Sorry to pile in here...philosophy background coming into play ;-) Mills chose the symbolic colour of white as the vinyl colour in the design to represent an unknown destination in space and/or time This is actually justified conceptually by thinking about a situation where you are in space which is completely white - no other information is being received by you. You therefore have no sense of change in your environment other than your inner sense of space and/or time, and so in an limited sense these things cease to exist. Philosophically I call this a 'white room' scenario, actually a very interesting situation which highlights certain things about how we perceive and know anything at all. So there! Peace, Andrew # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. # *** Opinions expressed in this email are those of the individual and not Entergy-Koch Trading Limited or its affiliated companies. This email and any files transmitted with it, including replies and forwarded copies (which may contain alterations) subsequently transmitted from the Company, are confidential
RE: (313) new Mills
Eh? Not sure what you are driving at here -Original Message- From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:29 AM To: Robert Taylor; Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills No, I don't at all - if you read my last mail you'll see that I don't do the concept thing myself, but I don't impose my opinions on others either. I mean, you could be cynical about absolutely anything, couldn't you?? This could be about football, politics, washing powder, whatever. -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 April 2004 1:25 To: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills Nothing wrong with 'dissing' him if you think he's an airbag. Don't feel the need to defend and justify his every action just because you admire him as an artist and a DJ, Ryan. -Original Message- From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:17 AM To: Robert Taylor; Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills Right, right, I see...it's diss Mills time again!! At the end of the day, take it or leave it. If that's how HE chooses to do things, and you don't get it, then don't worry about it!! Take from it what you want. At the end of the day, the concepts don't sell the records to me, at all - but I certainly wouldn't attempt to belittle the ideas by imposing my opinion on others. Better than conceptualising about drug monkeys in a nightclub anyway - because that is just not challenging, in the slightest. -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 April 2004 1:12 To: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills A concept that is somewhat lacking if it takes a load of highfaluting nonsense to explain it. -Original Message- From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:07 AM To: Robert Taylor; Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills That he's composed a piece of music based specifically around an idea, a concept. -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 April 2004 1:06 To: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills My arse exists on more levels than the purely conceptual, Ryan. What do you mean by conceptual? -Original Message- From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:05 AM To: Robert Taylor; Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills No, it's obviously conceptual. -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 April 2004 1:04 To: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills My arse -Original Message- From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:03 AM To: Robert Taylor; Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills To you, maybe. To Mills it's obviously conceptual. -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 April 2004 1:02 To: Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills But it's just a record -Original Message- From: Andrew [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 10:58 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills Sorry to pile in here...philosophy background coming into play ;-) Mills chose the symbolic colour of white as the vinyl colour in the design to represent an unknown destination in space and/or time This is actually justified conceptually by thinking about a situation where you are in space which is completely white - no other information is being received by you. You therefore have no sense of change in your environment other than your inner sense of space and/or time, and so in an limited sense these things cease to exist. Philosophically I call this a 'white room' scenario, actually a very interesting situation which highlights certain things about how we perceive and know anything at all. So there! Peace, Andrew # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. # *** Opinions expressed in this email are those
RE: (313) new Mills
I assumed that your reference to my admiration of him suggested that I would blindly defend him, when I wouldn't. -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 April 2004 1:32 To: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills Eh? Not sure what you are driving at here -Original Message- From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:29 AM To: Robert Taylor; Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills No, I don't at all - if you read my last mail you'll see that I don't do the concept thing myself, but I don't impose my opinions on others either. I mean, you could be cynical about absolutely anything, couldn't you?? This could be about football, politics, washing powder, whatever. -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 April 2004 1:25 To: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills Nothing wrong with 'dissing' him if you think he's an airbag. Don't feel the need to defend and justify his every action just because you admire him as an artist and a DJ, Ryan. -Original Message- From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:17 AM To: Robert Taylor; Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills Right, right, I see...it's diss Mills time again!! At the end of the day, take it or leave it. If that's how HE chooses to do things, and you don't get it, then don't worry about it!! Take from it what you want. At the end of the day, the concepts don't sell the records to me, at all - but I certainly wouldn't attempt to belittle the ideas by imposing my opinion on others. Better than conceptualising about drug monkeys in a nightclub anyway - because that is just not challenging, in the slightest. -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 April 2004 1:12 To: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills A concept that is somewhat lacking if it takes a load of highfaluting nonsense to explain it. -Original Message- From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:07 AM To: Robert Taylor; Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills That he's composed a piece of music based specifically around an idea, a concept. -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 April 2004 1:06 To: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills My arse exists on more levels than the purely conceptual, Ryan. What do you mean by conceptual? -Original Message- From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:05 AM To: Robert Taylor; Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills No, it's obviously conceptual. -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 April 2004 1:04 To: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills My arse -Original Message- From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:03 AM To: Robert Taylor; Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills To you, maybe. To Mills it's obviously conceptual. -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 April 2004 1:02 To: Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills But it's just a record -Original Message- From: Andrew [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 10:58 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills Sorry to pile in here...philosophy background coming into play ;-) Mills chose the symbolic colour of white as the vinyl colour in the design to represent an unknown destination in space and/or time This is actually justified conceptually by thinking about a situation where you are in space which is completely white - no other information is being received by you. You therefore have no sense of change in your environment other than your inner sense of space and/or time, and so in an limited sense these things cease to exist. Philosophically I call this a 'white room' scenario, actually a very interesting situation which highlights certain things about how we perceive and know anything at all. So there! Peace, Andrew # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have
RE: (313) new Mills
Okay Ryan. I still think you're a fanboy ;) -Original Message- From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:33 AM To: Robert Taylor; Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills I assumed that your reference to my admiration of him suggested that I would blindly defend him, when I wouldn't. -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 April 2004 1:32 To: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills Eh? Not sure what you are driving at here -Original Message- From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:29 AM To: Robert Taylor; Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills No, I don't at all - if you read my last mail you'll see that I don't do the concept thing myself, but I don't impose my opinions on others either. I mean, you could be cynical about absolutely anything, couldn't you?? This could be about football, politics, washing powder, whatever. -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 April 2004 1:25 To: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills Nothing wrong with 'dissing' him if you think he's an airbag. Don't feel the need to defend and justify his every action just because you admire him as an artist and a DJ, Ryan. -Original Message- From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:17 AM To: Robert Taylor; Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills Right, right, I see...it's diss Mills time again!! At the end of the day, take it or leave it. If that's how HE chooses to do things, and you don't get it, then don't worry about it!! Take from it what you want. At the end of the day, the concepts don't sell the records to me, at all - but I certainly wouldn't attempt to belittle the ideas by imposing my opinion on others. Better than conceptualising about drug monkeys in a nightclub anyway - because that is just not challenging, in the slightest. -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 April 2004 1:12 To: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills A concept that is somewhat lacking if it takes a load of highfaluting nonsense to explain it. -Original Message- From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:07 AM To: Robert Taylor; Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills That he's composed a piece of music based specifically around an idea, a concept. -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 April 2004 1:06 To: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills My arse exists on more levels than the purely conceptual, Ryan. What do you mean by conceptual? -Original Message- From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:05 AM To: Robert Taylor; Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills No, it's obviously conceptual. -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 April 2004 1:04 To: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills My arse -Original Message- From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:03 AM To: Robert Taylor; Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills To you, maybe. To Mills it's obviously conceptual. -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 April 2004 1:02 To: Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills But it's just a record -Original Message- From: Andrew [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 10:58 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills Sorry to pile in here...philosophy background coming into play ;-) Mills chose the symbolic colour of white as the vinyl colour in the design to represent an unknown destination in space and/or time This is actually justified conceptually by thinking about a situation where you are in space which is completely white - no other information is being received by you. You therefore have no sense of change in your environment other than your inner sense of space and/or time, and so in an limited sense these things cease to exist. Philosophically I call this a 'white room' scenario, actually a very interesting situation which highlights certain things about how we perceive and know anything at all. So there! Peace, Andrew # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those
RE: (313) new Mills
I *humbly* refer Robert and Ryan to the discussion a month ago about personal conversations being taken off list -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 April 2004 13:35 To: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills Okay Ryan. I still think you're a fanboy ;) -Original Message- From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:33 AM To: Robert Taylor; Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills I assumed that your reference to my admiration of him suggested that I would blindly defend him, when I wouldn't. -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 April 2004 1:32 To: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills Eh? Not sure what you are driving at here -Original Message- From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:29 AM To: Robert Taylor; Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills No, I don't at all - if you read my last mail you'll see that I don't do the concept thing myself, but I don't impose my opinions on others either. I mean, you could be cynical about absolutely anything, couldn't you?? This could be about football, politics, washing powder, whatever. -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 April 2004 1:25 To: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills Nothing wrong with 'dissing' him if you think he's an airbag. Don't feel the need to defend and justify his every action just because you admire him as an artist and a DJ, Ryan. -Original Message- From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:17 AM To: Robert Taylor; Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills Right, right, I see...it's diss Mills time again!! At the end of the day, take it or leave it. If that's how HE chooses to do things, and you don't get it, then don't worry about it!! Take from it what you want. At the end of the day, the concepts don't sell the records to me, at all - but I certainly wouldn't attempt to belittle the ideas by imposing my opinion on others. Better than conceptualising about drug monkeys in a nightclub anyway - because that is just not challenging, in the slightest. -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 April 2004 1:12 To: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills A concept that is somewhat lacking if it takes a load of highfaluting nonsense to explain it. -Original Message- From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:07 AM To: Robert Taylor; Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills That he's composed a piece of music based specifically around an idea, a concept. -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 April 2004 1:06 To: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills My arse exists on more levels than the purely conceptual, Ryan. What do you mean by conceptual? -Original Message- From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:05 AM To: Robert Taylor; Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills No, it's obviously conceptual. -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 April 2004 1:04 To: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills My arse -Original Message- From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:03 AM To: Robert Taylor; Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills To you, maybe. To Mills it's obviously conceptual. -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 April 2004 1:02 To: Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills But it's just a record -Original Message- From: Andrew [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 10:58 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills Sorry to pile in here...philosophy background coming into play ;-) Mills chose the symbolic colour of white as the vinyl colour in the design to represent an unknown destination in space and/or time This is actually justified conceptually by thinking about a situation where you are in space which is completely white - no other information is being received by you. You therefore have no sense of change in your environment other than your inner sense of space and/or time, and so in an limited sense these things cease to exist. Philosophically I call this a 'white room
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I am - I love Mills - but wouldn't blindly defend him! -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 April 2004 1:35 To: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills Okay Ryan. I still think you're a fanboy ;) -Original Message- From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:33 AM To: Robert Taylor; Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills I assumed that your reference to my admiration of him suggested that I would blindly defend him, when I wouldn't. -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 April 2004 1:32 To: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills Eh? Not sure what you are driving at here -Original Message- From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:29 AM To: Robert Taylor; Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills No, I don't at all - if you read my last mail you'll see that I don't do the concept thing myself, but I don't impose my opinions on others either. I mean, you could be cynical about absolutely anything, couldn't you?? This could be about football, politics, washing powder, whatever. -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 April 2004 1:25 To: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills Nothing wrong with 'dissing' him if you think he's an airbag. Don't feel the need to defend and justify his every action just because you admire him as an artist and a DJ, Ryan. -Original Message- From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:17 AM To: Robert Taylor; Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills Right, right, I see...it's diss Mills time again!! At the end of the day, take it or leave it. If that's how HE chooses to do things, and you don't get it, then don't worry about it!! Take from it what you want. At the end of the day, the concepts don't sell the records to me, at all - but I certainly wouldn't attempt to belittle the ideas by imposing my opinion on others. Better than conceptualising about drug monkeys in a nightclub anyway - because that is just not challenging, in the slightest. -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 April 2004 1:12 To: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills A concept that is somewhat lacking if it takes a load of highfaluting nonsense to explain it. -Original Message- From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:07 AM To: Robert Taylor; Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills That he's composed a piece of music based specifically around an idea, a concept. -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 April 2004 1:06 To: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills My arse exists on more levels than the purely conceptual, Ryan. What do you mean by conceptual? -Original Message- From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:05 AM To: Robert Taylor; Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills No, it's obviously conceptual. -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 April 2004 1:04 To: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills My arse -Original Message- From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:03 AM To: Robert Taylor; Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills To you, maybe. To Mills it's obviously conceptual. -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 April 2004 1:02 To: Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills But it's just a record -Original Message- From: Andrew [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 10:58 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills Sorry to pile in here...philosophy background coming into play ;-) Mills chose the symbolic colour of white as the vinyl colour in the design to represent an unknown destination in space and/or time This is actually justified conceptually by thinking about a situation where you are in space which is completely white - no other information is being received by you. You therefore have no sense of change in your environment other than your inner sense of space and/or time, and so in an limited sense these things cease to exist. Philosophically I call this a 'white room' scenario, actually a very interesting situation which highlights
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Humbly points out that it wasn't a personal conversation -Original Message- From: Andrew [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:42 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills I *humbly* refer Robert and Ryan to the discussion a month ago about personal conversations being taken off list -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 April 2004 13:35 To: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills Okay Ryan. I still think you're a fanboy ;) -Original Message- From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:33 AM To: Robert Taylor; Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills I assumed that your reference to my admiration of him suggested that I would blindly defend him, when I wouldn't. -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 April 2004 1:32 To: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills Eh? Not sure what you are driving at here -Original Message- From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:29 AM To: Robert Taylor; Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills No, I don't at all - if you read my last mail you'll see that I don't do the concept thing myself, but I don't impose my opinions on others either. I mean, you could be cynical about absolutely anything, couldn't you?? This could be about football, politics, washing powder, whatever. -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 April 2004 1:25 To: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills Nothing wrong with 'dissing' him if you think he's an airbag. Don't feel the need to defend and justify his every action just because you admire him as an artist and a DJ, Ryan. -Original Message- From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:17 AM To: Robert Taylor; Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills Right, right, I see...it's diss Mills time again!! At the end of the day, take it or leave it. If that's how HE chooses to do things, and you don't get it, then don't worry about it!! Take from it what you want. At the end of the day, the concepts don't sell the records to me, at all - but I certainly wouldn't attempt to belittle the ideas by imposing my opinion on others. Better than conceptualising about drug monkeys in a nightclub anyway - because that is just not challenging, in the slightest. -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 April 2004 1:12 To: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills A concept that is somewhat lacking if it takes a load of highfaluting nonsense to explain it. -Original Message- From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:07 AM To: Robert Taylor; Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills That he's composed a piece of music based specifically around an idea, a concept. -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 April 2004 1:06 To: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills My arse exists on more levels than the purely conceptual, Ryan. What do you mean by conceptual? -Original Message- From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:05 AM To: Robert Taylor; Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills No, it's obviously conceptual. -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 April 2004 1:04 To: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills My arse -Original Message- From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:03 AM To: Robert Taylor; Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills To you, maybe. To Mills it's obviously conceptual. -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 April 2004 1:02 To: Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills But it's just a record -Original Message- From: Andrew [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 10:58 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills Sorry to pile in here...philosophy background coming into play ;-) Mills chose the symbolic colour of white as the vinyl colour in the design to represent an unknown destination in space and/or time This is actually justified conceptually by thinking about a situation where you are in space which is completely white - no other information is being received
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dear diana, thank you for you recent prayer request. unfortunately, I will be out of the office until sunday. love, peace and chicken grease, jc On 08.04.2004 07:27 , diana potts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *lets pray* dear lord, please shelter my inbox today as 313 continues to discuss jeff mills. In times of chaos, it is my inbox Lord that needs protection and strength from the mighty, mighty power of the tongue and musically drenched geeked minded emails that are about to deluge it on this glorious day. Dear Lord, please be on standby in the extreme case that the praise and dismissal of R.Hawtin and Carl Craig slip from the fingers of those who cyber surround me at this time. *AMEN* goodmorning.from this side. d NP:Four Tet..and now ODB...Four Tet remix Radiohead 'if you stop i'll put the killer ants in your pants'
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everything he does seems to HAVE to have a concept or a reason, and, at times it comes across like he makes it all up after he's made the music to market it better. (to my un-cultured eyes anyway) reading the last couple of mails i'd have to agree - does anyone fall for this bullsh*t?
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Sorry to pile in here...philosophy background coming into play ;-) Mills chose the symbolic colour of white as the vinyl colour in the design to represent an unknown destination in space and/or time This is actually justified conceptually by thinking about a situation where you are in space which is completely white - no other information is being received by you. You therefore have no sense of change in your environment other than your inner sense of space and/or time, and so in an limited sense these things cease to exist. you would also have no sense of change, and no other information if the room was completely black or blue or green or yellow or red or orange. this is not philosophy.
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you would, the colour. A white room has no colour so even that is stripped(smartly hinting back at my earlier mail...) -Original Message- From: john harvey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: donderdag 8 april 2004 14:53 To: 313 Subject: Re: (313) new Mills Sorry to pile in here...philosophy background coming into play ;-) Mills chose the symbolic colour of white as the vinyl colour in the design to represent an unknown destination in space and/or time This is actually justified conceptually by thinking about a situation where you are in space which is completely white - no other information is being received by you. You therefore have no sense of change in your environment other than your inner sense of space and/or time, and so in an limited sense these things cease to exist. you would also have no sense of change, and no other information if the room was completely black or blue or green or yellow or red or orange. this is not philosophy. The information contained in this e-mail communication is solely intended for the person/legal person to whom it has been sent, and as it may contain information of a personal or confidential nature, it may not be made public by virtue of law, regulations or agreement. If someone other than the intended recipient should receive or come into possession of this e-mail communication, he/she will not be entitled to read, disseminate, disclose or duplicate it. If you are not the intended recipient, you are requested to inform the sender of this e-mail message of this immediately, and to destroy the original e-mail communication. Neither Randstad Holding nv nor its subsidiaries accept any liability for incorrect and incomplete transmission or delayed receipt of this e-mail.
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Right, right, I see...it's diss Mills time again!! At the end of the day, take it or leave it. If that's how HE chooses to do things, and you don't get it, then don't worry about it!! Take from it what you want. At the end of the day, the concepts don't sell the records to me, at all - but I certainly wouldn't attempt to belittle the ideas by imposing my opinion on others. Better than conceptualising about drug monkeys in a nightclub anyway - because that is just not challenging, in the slightest. don't tell me not to comment, and don't tell me i don't get it, i do, its bullsh*t.
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you would, the colour. A white room has no colour so even that is stripped(smartly hinting back at my earlier mail...) no you wouldn't have any SENSE OF CHANGE and NO OTHER INFORMATION would be received by you. is black more information than white? do other colours change? -Original Message- From: john harvey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: donderdag 8 april 2004 14:53 To: 313 Subject: Re: (313) new Mills Sorry to pile in here...philosophy background coming into play ;-) Mills chose the symbolic colour of white as the vinyl colour in the design to represent an unknown destination in space and/or time This is actually justified conceptually by thinking about a situation where you are in space which is completely white - no other information is being received by you. You therefore have no sense of change in your environment other than your inner sense of space and/or time, and so in an limited sense these things cease to exist. you would also have no sense of change, and no other information if the room was completely black or blue or green or yellow or red or orange. this is not philosophy. The information contained in this e-mail communication is solely intended for the person/legal person to whom it has been sent, and as it may contain information of a personal or confidential nature, it may not be made public by virtue of law, regulations or agreement. If someone other than the intended recipient should receive or come into possession of this e-mail communication, he/she will not be entitled to read, disseminate, disclose or duplicate it. If you are not the intended recipient, you are requested to inform the sender of this e-mail message of this immediately, and to destroy the original e-mail communication. Neither Randstad Holding nv nor its subsidiaries accept any liability for incorrect and incomplete transmission or delayed receipt of this e-mail.
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Strangely enough, in a blue room i would think hey, blue, then again a white or black room would prob make me think about the lighting. I´d think get me outta here! anyway... -Original Message- From: john harvey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: donderdag 8 april 2004 15:04 To: 313 Subject: Re: (313) new Mills you would, the colour. A white room has no colour so even that is stripped(smartly hinting back at my earlier mail...) no you wouldn't have any SENSE OF CHANGE and NO OTHER INFORMATION would be received by you. is black more information than white? do other colours change? -Original Message- From: john harvey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: donderdag 8 april 2004 14:53 To: 313 Subject: Re: (313) new Mills Sorry to pile in here...philosophy background coming into play ;-) Mills chose the symbolic colour of white as the vinyl colour in the design to represent an unknown destination in space and/or time This is actually justified conceptually by thinking about a situation where you are in space which is completely white - no other information is being received by you. You therefore have no sense of change in your environment other than your inner sense of space and/or time, and so in an limited sense these things cease to exist. you would also have no sense of change, and no other information if the room was completely black or blue or green or yellow or red or orange. this is not philosophy. The information contained in this e-mail communication is solely intended for the person/legal person to whom it has been sent, and as it may contain information of a personal or confidential nature, it may not be made public by virtue of law, regulations or agreement. If someone other than the intended recipient should receive or come into possession of this e-mail communication, he/she will not be entitled to read, disseminate, disclose or duplicate it. If you are not the intended recipient, you are requested to inform the sender of this e-mail message of this immediately, and to destroy the original e-mail communication. Neither Randstad Holding nv nor its subsidiaries accept any liability for incorrect and incomplete transmission or delayed receipt of this e-mail. The information contained in this e-mail communication is solely intended for the person/legal person to whom it has been sent, and as it may contain information of a personal or confidential nature, it may not be made public by virtue of law, regulations or agreement. If someone other than the intended recipient should receive or come into possession of this e-mail communication, he/she will not be entitled to read, disseminate, disclose or duplicate it. If you are not the intended recipient, you are requested to inform the sender of this e-mail message of this immediately, and to destroy the original e-mail communication. Neither Randstad Holding nv nor its subsidiaries accept any liability for incorrect and incomplete transmission or delayed receipt of this e-mail.
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State your opinion, don't impose it - that's my message. And it wasn't even directed at you. -Original Message- From: john harvey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 April 2004 1:58 To: 313 Subject: Re: (313) new Mills Right, right, I see...it's diss Mills time again!! At the end of the day, take it or leave it. If that's how HE chooses to do things, and you don't get it, then don't worry about it!! Take from it what you want. At the end of the day, the concepts don't sell the records to me, at all - but I certainly wouldn't attempt to belittle the ideas by imposing my opinion on others. Better than conceptualising about drug monkeys in a nightclub anyway - because that is just not challenging, in the slightest. don't tell me not to comment, and don't tell me i don't get it, i do, its bullsh*t. *** Opinions expressed in this email are those of the individual and not Entergy-Koch Trading Limited or its affiliated companies. This email and any files transmitted with it, including replies and forwarded copies (which may contain alterations) subsequently transmitted from the Company, are confidential and solely for the use of the intended recipient. It may contain material protected by attorney-client privilege. If you are not listed on the To or Cc lines of the original email (or are not the person responsible for delivering to an intended recipient), then you are not an intended recipient and have received this email in error. Any use by an unintended recipient is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error please notify the IT manager by telephone on +44 (0)20 7337 8300 or via email to [EMAIL PROTECTED], attaching this message. Please then delete this email and all attachments, and destroy any copies thereof. Thank you. ***
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you were the one imposing - you're telling me not to comment - Original Message - From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'john harvey' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 2:08 PM Subject: RE: (313) new Mills State your opinion, don't impose it - that's my message. And it wasn't even directed at you. -Original Message- From: john harvey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 April 2004 1:58 To: 313 Subject: Re: (313) new Mills Right, right, I see...it's diss Mills time again!! At the end of the day, take it or leave it. If that's how HE chooses to do things, and you don't get it, then don't worry about it!! Take from it what you want. At the end of the day, the concepts don't sell the records to me, at all - but I certainly wouldn't attempt to belittle the ideas by imposing my opinion on others. Better than conceptualising about drug monkeys in a nightclub anyway - because that is just not challenging, in the slightest. don't tell me not to comment, and don't tell me i don't get it, i do, its bullsh*t. *** Opinions expressed in this email are those of the individual and not Entergy-Koch Trading Limited or its affiliated companies. This email and any files transmitted with it, including replies and forwarded copies (which may contain alterations) subsequently transmitted from the Company, are confidential and solely for the use of the intended recipient. It may contain material protected by attorney-client privilege. If you are not listed on the To or Cc lines of the original email (or are not the person responsible for delivering to an intended recipient), then you are not an intended recipient and have received this email in error. Any use by an unintended recipient is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error please notify the IT manager by telephone on +44 (0)20 7337 8300 or via email to [EMAIL PROTECTED], attaching this message. Please then delete this email and all attachments, and destroy any copies thereof. Thank you. ***
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Nah. -Original Message- From: john harvey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 April 2004 2:11 To: 313 Subject: Re: (313) new Mills you were the one imposing - you're telling me not to comment - Original Message - From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'john harvey' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 2:08 PM Subject: RE: (313) new Mills State your opinion, don't impose it - that's my message. And it wasn't even directed at you. -Original Message- From: john harvey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 April 2004 1:58 To: 313 Subject: Re: (313) new Mills Right, right, I see...it's diss Mills time again!! At the end of the day, take it or leave it. If that's how HE chooses to do things, and you don't get it, then don't worry about it!! Take from it what you want. At the end of the day, the concepts don't sell the records to me, at all - but I certainly wouldn't attempt to belittle the ideas by imposing my opinion on others. Better than conceptualising about drug monkeys in a nightclub anyway - because that is just not challenging, in the slightest. don't tell me not to comment, and don't tell me i don't get it, i do, its bullsh*t. *** Opinions expressed in this email are those of the individual and not Entergy-Koch Trading Limited or its affiliated companies. This email and any files transmitted with it, including replies and forwarded copies (which may contain alterations) subsequently transmitted from the Company, are confidential and solely for the use of the intended recipient. It may contain material protected by attorney-client privilege. If you are not listed on the To or Cc lines of the original email (or are not the person responsible for delivering to an intended recipient), then you are not an intended recipient and have received this email in error. Any use by an unintended recipient is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error please notify the IT manager by telephone on +44 (0)20 7337 8300 or via email to [EMAIL PROTECTED], attaching this message. Please then delete this email and all attachments, and destroy any copies thereof. Thank you. *** *** Opinions expressed in this email are those of the individual and not Entergy-Koch Trading Limited or its affiliated companies. This email and any files transmitted with it, including replies and forwarded copies (which may contain alterations) subsequently transmitted from the Company, are confidential and solely for the use of the intended recipient. It may contain material protected by attorney-client privilege. If you are not listed on the To or Cc lines of the original email (or are not the person responsible for delivering to an intended recipient), then you are not an intended recipient and have received this email in error. Any use by an unintended recipient is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error please notify the IT manager by telephone on +44 (0)20 7337 8300 or via email to [EMAIL PROTECTED], attaching this message. Please then delete this email and all attachments, and destroy any copies thereof. Thank you. ***
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It´s amazing how much emotion theo and Mills stir with their fans, its powerfull music, so much is sure. Good to see people debate it so furiously. I guess its why i love Mills as a person as well as a musician although i cant really do anything with his theories it at least gets us to think about em. The information contained in this e-mail communication is solely intended for the person/legal person to whom it has been sent, and as it may contain information of a personal or confidential nature, it may not be made public by virtue of law, regulations or agreement. If someone other than the intended recipient should receive or come into possession of this e-mail communication, he/she will not be entitled to read, disseminate, disclose or duplicate it. If you are not the intended recipient, you are requested to inform the sender of this e-mail message of this immediately, and to destroy the original e-mail communication. Neither Randstad Holding nv nor its subsidiaries accept any liability for incorrect and incomplete transmission or delayed receipt of this e-mail.
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Can I suggest that this 'dicussion' has now outlived it's usefulness? :-) We are now verging on the 313 equivalent of debating the number of angels it's possible to fit on the tip of a pinhead! Let's all step back and ask ourselves whether we are acting with enough perspective. I.e. in the bigger scheme of things, are these matters really that important? I mean, discuss it yeah, beat an already dead horse and then when you're done with that, beat up each other verbally, is not the best idea: just a suggestion! Just to offer a positive alternative: has anyone got a tracklisting of the new Transmat cd due for release in Japan? Sorry if I missed it. Also, anyone heard it? Legally of course, if you downloaded it already from some 'cool' site, best keep it to yourself imho! Peace, k
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This one has, but the whole intention beside the point he makes i think of Mills is to make us think about music in a different way, which is a good thing. The point may be somewhat pretentiously put, but without discussion its surely not gonna get any better... -Original Message- From: Ken Odeluga [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: donderdag 8 april 2004 15:21 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills Can I suggest that this 'dicussion' has now outlived it's usefulness? :-) We are now verging on the 313 equivalent of debating the number of angels it's possible to fit on the tip of a pinhead! Let's all step back and ask ourselves whether we are acting with enough perspective. I.e. in the bigger scheme of things, are these matters really that important? I mean, discuss it yeah, beat an already dead horse and then when you're done with that, beat up each other verbally, is not the best idea: just a suggestion! Just to offer a positive alternative: has anyone got a tracklisting of the new Transmat cd due for release in Japan? Sorry if I missed it. Also, anyone heard it? Legally of course, if you downloaded it already from some 'cool' site, best keep it to yourself imho! Peace, k The information contained in this e-mail communication is solely intended for the person/legal person to whom it has been sent, and as it may contain information of a personal or confidential nature, it may not be made public by virtue of law, regulations or agreement. If someone other than the intended recipient should receive or come into possession of this e-mail communication, he/she will not be entitled to read, disseminate, disclose or duplicate it. If you are not the intended recipient, you are requested to inform the sender of this e-mail message of this immediately, and to destroy the original e-mail communication. Neither Randstad Holding nv nor its subsidiaries accept any liability for incorrect and incomplete transmission or delayed receipt of this e-mail.
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We are now verging on the 313 equivalent of debating the number of angels it's possible to fit on the tip of a pinhead! 4!
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what are you talking about man! i say 6 robin... john harvey wrote: We are now verging on the 313 equivalent of debating the number of angels it's possible to fit on the tip of a pinhead! 4!
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You're both wrong, it's 313 of course! Boom boom. k -Original Message- From: robin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 2:41 PM To: john harvey Cc: 313 Subject: Re: (313) new Mills what are you talking about man! i say 6 robin... john harvey wrote: We are now verging on the 313 equivalent of debating the number of angels it's possible to fit on the tip of a pinhead! 4!
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-Original Message- From: Ken Odeluga [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 154 of course sorry, had to, can´t stop as justification of the mail, did anyone check the new Ghostface album? dunno what to make of it yet, but it might just be briliant... Sent: donderdag 8 april 2004 15:43 To: robin; john harvey Cc: 313 Subject: RE: (313) new Mills You're both wrong, it's 313 of course! Boom boom. k -Original Message- From: robin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 2:41 PM To: john harvey Cc: 313 Subject: Re: (313) new Mills what are you talking about man! i say 6 robin... john harvey wrote: We are now verging on the 313 equivalent of debating the number of angels it's possible to fit on the tip of a pinhead! 4! The information contained in this e-mail communication is solely intended for the person/legal person to whom it has been sent, and as it may contain information of a personal or confidential nature, it may not be made public by virtue of law, regulations or agreement. If someone other than the intended recipient should receive or come into possession of this e-mail communication, he/she will not be entitled to read, disseminate, disclose or duplicate it. If you are not the intended recipient, you are requested to inform the sender of this e-mail message of this immediately, and to destroy the original e-mail communication. Neither Randstad Holding nv nor its subsidiaries accept any liability for incorrect and incomplete transmission or delayed receipt of this e-mail.
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you would also have no sense of change, and no other information if the room was completely black or blue or green or yellow or red or orange. Absolutely, it's the uniformity that is key. Where did I state otherwise? well, your statement seemed to be backing the argument that the colour white was used for a special reason - but i was saying that based on your argument this couldn't be true, as you seem to now agree; the uniformity of white is no different from the uniformity of any other colour. this is not philosophy. Please, let me know what is! Knowing philosophy yourself, you'll know that simple examples and thought experiments then lead onto the kind of inquiry that perhaps you mean by 'philosophy'. I'm guessing - or were you just having a dig? sorry, i was just having a dig - philosophy is too big a subject for this list! :]
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once again, white is not a colour...white is no colour, black is all. thats the point i think of blue room vs white room well, your statement seemed to be backing the argument that the colour white was used for a special reason - but i was saying that based on your argument this couldn't be true, as you seem to now agree; the uniformity of white is no different from the uniformity of any other colour. The information contained in this e-mail communication is solely intended for the person/legal person to whom it has been sent, and as it may contain information of a personal or confidential nature, it may not be made public by virtue of law, regulations or agreement. If someone other than the intended recipient should receive or come into possession of this e-mail communication, he/she will not be entitled to read, disseminate, disclose or duplicate it. If you are not the intended recipient, you are requested to inform the sender of this e-mail message of this immediately, and to destroy the original e-mail communication. Neither Randstad Holding nv nor its subsidiaries accept any liability for incorrect and incomplete transmission or delayed receipt of this e-mail.
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8/4/04 2:04 PM Peteri, [EMAIL PROTECTED] once again, white is not a colour...white is no colour, black is all. thats Wrong way round fella...see me after class
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Im a one colour at the time kinda guy, multitasking is not my biggest talentlike i showed before... playground, 18.00? at the bikeshed... ; ) -Original Message- From: Martin Dust [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: donderdag 8 april 2004 17:17 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) new Mills 8/4/04 2:04 PM Peteri, [EMAIL PROTECTED] once again, white is not a colour...white is no colour, black is all. thats Wrong way round fella...see me after class The information contained in this e-mail communication is solely intended for the person/legal person to whom it has been sent, and as it may contain information of a personal or confidential nature, it may not be made public by virtue of law, regulations or agreement. If someone other than the intended recipient should receive or come into possession of this e-mail communication, he/she will not be entitled to read, disseminate, disclose or duplicate it. If you are not the intended recipient, you are requested to inform the sender of this e-mail message of this immediately, and to destroy the original e-mail communication. Neither Randstad Holding nv nor its subsidiaries accept any liability for incorrect and incomplete transmission or delayed receipt of this e-mail.
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we all know that white is not a colour but your remark is pedantic as it doesn't relate to or change the argument in any way. once again, white is not a colour...white is no colour, black is all. thats the point i think of blue room vs white room well, your statement seemed to be backing the argument that the colour white was used for a special reason - but i was saying that based on your argument this couldn't be true, as you seem to now agree; the uniformity of white is no different from the uniformity of any other colour. The information contained in this e-mail communication is solely intended for the person/legal person to whom it has been sent, and as it may contain information of a personal or confidential nature, it may not be made public by virtue of law, regulations or agreement. If someone other than the intended recipient should receive or come into possession of this e-mail communication, he/she will not be entitled to read, disseminate, disclose or duplicate it. If you are not the intended recipient, you are requested to inform the sender of this e-mail message of this immediately, and to destroy the original e-mail communication. Neither Randstad Holding nv nor its subsidiaries accept any liability for incorrect and incomplete transmission or delayed receipt of this e-mail.
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wow! look at that! I rejoin the 313 list yesterday after taking months off and I find it exactly just as I'd left it. Same topic and everthing! gosh, thanks guys!! you didnt have to hold the conversation in an unending loop for little old me! It's almost as if time has stood still. :^) sean deason
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surprised? -Original Message- From: sean deason [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: donderdag 8 april 2004 16:14 To: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); 'Robert Taylor'; Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) new Mills wow! look at that! I rejoin the 313 list yesterday after taking months off and I find it exactly just as I'd left it. Same topic and everthing! gosh, thanks guys!! you didnt have to hold the conversation in an unending loop for little old me! It's almost as if time has stood still. :^) sean deason The information contained in this e-mail communication is solely intended for the person/legal person to whom it has been sent, and as it may contain information of a personal or confidential nature, it may not be made public by virtue of law, regulations or agreement. If someone other than the intended recipient should receive or come into possession of this e-mail communication, he/she will not be entitled to read, disseminate, disclose or duplicate it. If you are not the intended recipient, you are requested to inform the sender of this e-mail message of this immediately, and to destroy the original e-mail communication. Neither Randstad Holding nv nor its subsidiaries accept any liability for incorrect and incomplete transmission or delayed receipt of this e-mail.
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sorry I have to laugh out load here but we have gone from Mills and a film to God to Angels and now colour is it or isn't it...ha ha and I thought my life was complicated :) on a 313 related note I got my Red Planet T-shirt from submerge in 1 week which I thought was really quick, I also got my DJ Bone EP's..now that's something to rant about I think there very good and I can't wait for the Album. Original Message- From: Peteri, Jochem [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thu 08/04/2004 15:04 To: john harvey Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills once again, white is not a colour...white is no colour, black is all. thats the point i think of blue room vs white room well, your statement seemed to be backing the argument that the colour white was used for a special reason - but i was saying that based on your argument this couldn't be true, as you seem to now agree; the uniformity of white is no different from the uniformity of any other colour. The information contained in this e-mail communication is solely intended for the person/legal person to whom it has been sent, and as it may contain information of a personal or confidential nature, it may not be made public by virtue of law, regulations or agreement. If someone other than the intended recipient should receive or come into possession of this e-mail communication, he/she will not be entitled to read, disseminate, disclose or duplicate it. If you are not the intended recipient, you are requested to inform the sender of this e-mail message of this immediately, and to destroy the original e-mail communication. Neither Randstad Holding nv nor its subsidiaries accept any liability for incorrect and incomplete transmission or delayed receipt of this e-mail.
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anyone check the new juan atkins on New religion? its totally great...didnt like the rmx but the original is ace The information contained in this e-mail communication is solely intended for the person/legal person to whom it has been sent, and as it may contain information of a personal or confidential nature, it may not be made public by virtue of law, regulations or agreement. If someone other than the intended recipient should receive or come into possession of this e-mail communication, he/she will not be entitled to read, disseminate, disclose or duplicate it. If you are not the intended recipient, you are requested to inform the sender of this e-mail message of this immediately, and to destroy the original e-mail communication. Neither Randstad Holding nv nor its subsidiaries accept any liability for incorrect and incomplete transmission or delayed receipt of this e-mail.
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i thought the remix was good (in a different way to the original), cleaner if that makes sense. can't wait for Juan's other stuff to land based on this. robin... Peteri, Jochem wrote: anyone check the new juan atkins on New religion? its totally great...didnt like the rmx but the original is ace
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If, say, Phillip Glass, Sun Ra, Holger Czukay, or Brian Eno were to say the same thing as Mills is we'd all be going hmmm, yes, very interesting concept but we're not because Jeff Mills is *supposed* to make dance music and it just ain't right for him to conceptualize or attempt to put some thought (even if it's half baked) into his art. That's what it is - his art. And yes, it's mass produced for consumers but so are Rembrant's, Warhol's, and Rothko's. He's crossing pop culture with ideas of high art - he's not the first to do this so I'm not sure why everyone gets so upset when he presents a concept. At least he's not saying dude I put it on marble green vinyl because it looks so f*cking rad man! He's also not gluing sandpaper to the vinyl so you can still play it - he's trying to put some thought and effort into it while still presenting a usable product- you can't blame a man for trying something. MEK Robert Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [EMAIL PROTECTED], 4.co.uk Andrew [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org cc: 04/08/04 07:12 AMSubject: RE: (313) new Mills A concept that is somewhat lacking if it takes a load of highfaluting nonsense to explain it. -Original Message- From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:07 AM To: Robert Taylor; Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills That he's composed a piece of music based specifically around an idea, a concept. -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 April 2004 1:06 To: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills My arse exists on more levels than the purely conceptual, Ryan. What do you mean by conceptual? -Original Message- From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:05 AM To: Robert Taylor; Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills No, it's obviously conceptual. -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 April 2004 1:04 To: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills My arse -Original Message- From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:03 AM To: Robert Taylor; Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills To you, maybe. To Mills it's obviously conceptual. -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 April 2004 1:02 To: Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills But it's just a record -Original Message- From: Andrew [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 10:58 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills Sorry to pile in here...philosophy background coming into play ;-) Mills chose the symbolic colour of white as the vinyl colour in the design to represent an unknown destination in space and/or time This is actually justified conceptually by thinking about a situation where you are in space which is completely white - no other information is being received by you. You therefore have no sense of change in your environment other than your inner sense of space and/or time, and so in an limited sense these things cease to exist. Philosophically I call this a 'white room' scenario, actually a very interesting situation which highlights certain things about how we perceive and know anything at all. So there! Peace, Andrew # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You
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once again, white is not a colour...white is no colour, black is all except white - there is no white in black and there is no I in team oh no - here come the nice men again to take me back to my white room MEK
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What the f*ck is this? An episode of Changing Rooms?! MEK john harvey [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: 313 313@hyperreal.org lworld.com cc: Subject: Re: (313) new Mills 04/08/04 09:14 AM we all know that white is not a colour but your remark is pedantic as it doesn't relate to or change the argument in any way. once again, white is not a colour...white is no colour, black is all. thats the point i think of blue room vs white room well, your statement seemed to be backing the argument that the colour white was used for a special reason - but i was saying that based on your argument this couldn't be true, as you seem to now agree; the uniformity of white is no different from the uniformity of any other colour. The information contained in this e-mail communication is solely intended for the person/legal person to whom it has been sent, and as it may contain information of a personal or confidential nature, it may not be made public by virtue of law, regulations or agreement. If someone other than the intended recipient should receive or come into possession of this e-mail communication, he/she will not be entitled to read, disseminate, disclose or duplicate it. If you are not the intended recipient, you are requested to inform the sender of this e-mail message of this immediately, and to destroy the original e-mail communication. Neither Randstad Holding nv nor its subsidiaries accept any liability for incorrect and incomplete transmission or delayed receipt of this e-mail.
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No no Sean - we're talking about what color we're going to paint the kitchen. MEK sean deason [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [EMAIL PROTECTED], .com 'Robert Taylor' [EMAIL PROTECTED], Andrew [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org 04/08/04 09:14 AMcc: Subject: Re: (313) new Mills wow! look at that! I rejoin the 313 list yesterday after taking months off and I find it exactly just as I'd left it. Same topic and everthing! gosh, thanks guys!! you didnt have to hold the conversation in an unending loop for little old me! It's almost as if time has stood still. :^) sean deason
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so were gonna paint the kitchen no colour? ehm, all colours? ehm, im confused and what about the attic -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: donderdag 8 april 2004 17:14 To: sean deason Cc: 313@hyperreal.org; Andrew; 'Robert Taylor'; Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) Subject: Re: (313) new Mills No no Sean - we're talking about what color we're going to paint the kitchen. MEK The information contained in this e-mail communication is solely intended for the person/legal person to whom it has been sent, and as it may contain information of a personal or confidential nature, it may not be made public by virtue of law, regulations or agreement. If someone other than the intended recipient should receive or come into possession of this e-mail communication, he/she will not be entitled to read, disseminate, disclose or duplicate it. If you are not the intended recipient, you are requested to inform the sender of this e-mail message of this immediately, and to destroy the original e-mail communication. Neither Randstad Holding nv nor its subsidiaries accept any liability for incorrect and incomplete transmission or delayed receipt of this e-mail.
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It's getting very noisy in here :) -Original Message- From: Peteri, Jochem [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 3:16 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills so were gonna paint the kitchen no colour? ehm, all colours? ehm, im confused and what about the attic -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: donderdag 8 april 2004 17:14 To: sean deason Cc: 313@hyperreal.org; Andrew; 'Robert Taylor'; Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) Subject: Re: (313) new Mills No no Sean - we're talking about what color we're going to paint the kitchen. MEK The information contained in this e-mail communication is solely intended for the person/legal person to whom it has been sent, and as it may contain information of a personal or confidential nature, it may not be made public by virtue of law, regulations or agreement. If someone other than the intended recipient should receive or come into possession of this e-mail communication, he/she will not be entitled to read, disseminate, disclose or duplicate it. If you are not the intended recipient, you are requested to inform the sender of this e-mail message of this immediately, and to destroy the original e-mail communication. Neither Randstad Holding nv nor its subsidiaries accept any liability for incorrect and incomplete transmission or delayed receipt of this e-mail. # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. #
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-- Original Message -- From: Peteri, Jochem [EMAIL PROTECTED] once again, white is not a colour...white is no colour, black is all. thats the point i think of blue room vs white room im sure this has already been covered but i want to make sure everyone knows im clever: white is no color and black is all color if youre talking about paint. if youre talking about light, white light is what is broken down into all the colors of the spectrum when it is reflected/refracted/etc, black is the absence of color. booya tom andythepooh.com
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it's getting noisy in here should appeal to jeff mills fans then this is a joke.
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I knew it, im a painter! -Original Message- From: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: donderdag 8 april 2004 17:36 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills -- Original Message -- From: Peteri, Jochem [EMAIL PROTECTED] once again, white is not a colour...white is no colour, black is all. thats the point i think of blue room vs white room im sure this has already been covered but i want to make sure everyone knows im clever: white is no color and black is all color if youre talking about paint. if youre talking about light, white light is what is broken down into all the colors of the spectrum when it is reflected/refracted/etc, black is the absence of color. booya tom andythepooh.com The information contained in this e-mail communication is solely intended for the person/legal person to whom it has been sent, and as it may contain information of a personal or confidential nature, it may not be made public by virtue of law, regulations or agreement. If someone other than the intended recipient should receive or come into possession of this e-mail communication, he/she will not be entitled to read, disseminate, disclose or duplicate it. If you are not the intended recipient, you are requested to inform the sender of this e-mail message of this immediately, and to destroy the original e-mail communication. Neither Randstad Holding nv nor its subsidiaries accept any liability for incorrect and incomplete transmission or delayed receipt of this e-mail.
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you want a concept? buy a friggen Nation of Ulysses record. Now they had f**kin concepts. Mills is a lightweight. On Thu, 8 Apr 2004, Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) wrote: Right, right, I see...it's diss Mills time again!! At the end of the day, take it or leave it. If that's how HE chooses to do things, and you don't get it, then don't worry about it!! Take from it what you want. At the end of the day, the concepts don't sell the records to me, at all - but I certainly wouldn't attempt to belittle the ideas by imposing my opinion on others. Better than conceptualising about drug monkeys in a nightclub anyway - because that is just not challenging, in the slightest. -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 April 2004 1:12 To: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills A concept that is somewhat lacking if it takes a load of highfaluting nonsense to explain it. -Original Message- From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:07 AM To: Robert Taylor; Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills That he's composed a piece of music based specifically around an idea, a concept. -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 April 2004 1:06 To: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills My arse exists on more levels than the purely conceptual, Ryan. What do you mean by conceptual? -Original Message- From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:05 AM To: Robert Taylor; Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills No, it's obviously conceptual. -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 April 2004 1:04 To: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills My arse -Original Message- From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:03 AM To: Robert Taylor; Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills To you, maybe. To Mills it's obviously conceptual. -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 April 2004 1:02 To: Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills But it's just a record -Original Message- From: Andrew [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 10:58 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills Sorry to pile in here...philosophy background coming into play ;-) Mills chose the symbolic colour of white as the vinyl colour in the design to represent an unknown destination in space and/or time This is actually justified conceptually by thinking about a situation where you are in space which is completely white - no other information is being received by you. You therefore have no sense of change in your environment other than your inner sense of space and/or time, and so in an limited sense these things cease to exist. Philosophically I call this a 'white room' scenario, actually a very interesting situation which highlights certain things about how we perceive and know anything at all. So there! Peace, Andrew # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. # *** Opinions expressed in this email are those of the individual and not Entergy-Koch Trading Limited or its affiliated companies. This email and any files transmitted with it, including replies and forwarded copies (which may contain alterations) subsequently transmitted from the Company, are confidential and solely for the use of the intended recipient. It may contain material protected by attorney-client privilege. If you are not listed on the To or Cc lines of the original email (or are not the person responsible for delivering to an intended recipient), then you are not an intended recipient and have received this email in error. Any use by an unintended recipient is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error please notify the IT manager by telephone on +44 (0)20 7337 8300 or via email to [EMAIL PROTECTED], attaching this message. Please then delete this email and all attachments
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i can honestly say that i wil not buy it On Thu, 8 Apr 2004, placid wrote: Bottom line is. We will all buy it... Conceptual, non conceptual... who cares..if it sounds good..i'll take it... As long as the white vinyl doesn't make it sound like it was recorded inside a huge empty can of baked beans I'm happy... p -Original Message- From: Peteri, Jochem [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 April 2004 12:13 To: quest pond Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills and a 909 is creme The information contained in this e-mail communication is solely intended for the person/legal person to whom it has been sent, and as it may contain information of a personal or confidential nature, it may not be made public by virtue of law, regulations or agreement. If someone other than the intended recipient should receive or come into possession of this e-mail communication, he/she will not be entitled to read, disseminate, disclose or duplicate it. If you are not the intended recipient, you are requested to inform the sender of this e-mail message of this immediately, and to destroy the original e-mail communication. Neither Randstad Holding nv nor its subsidiaries accept any liability for incorrect and incomplete transmission or delayed receipt of this e-mail.
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There is no way you can say mills is a lightweight, Music production is an art, and art is a form of expression if you choose not to buy it that's your choice, but call him a lightweight when he is a true artist..It appears to me that he is able to continually re-create himself and capture his audience. If you take a look around the industry there are many people that copy the things he does, for example without naming names - who just recently copied his See The Light idea...and who will copy the dvd concept next.. The art of DJing is not easy we all know, but the art of music production is not easy either (believe me) In order for the techno (electro,house,jungle,trance etc...) scene to survive more people have to constantly step out on the edge and try to re-create themselves. TS-1 (Deep in the 313) Where music evolves from the soul of the city -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 1:27 PM To: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) Cc: 'Robert Taylor'; Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills you want a concept? buy a friggen Nation of Ulysses record. Now they had f**kin concepts. Mills is a lightweight. On Thu, 8 Apr 2004, Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) wrote: Right, right, I see...it's diss Mills time again!! At the end of the day, take it or leave it. If that's how HE chooses to do things, and you don't get it, then don't worry about it!! Take from it what you want. At the end of the day, the concepts don't sell the records to me, at all - but I certainly wouldn't attempt to belittle the ideas by imposing my opinion on others. Better than conceptualising about drug monkeys in a nightclub anyway - because that is just not challenging, in the slightest. -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 April 2004 1:12 To: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills A concept that is somewhat lacking if it takes a load of highfaluting nonsense to explain it. -Original Message- From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:07 AM To: Robert Taylor; Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills That he's composed a piece of music based specifically around an idea, a concept. -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 April 2004 1:06 To: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills My arse exists on more levels than the purely conceptual, Ryan. What do you mean by conceptual? -Original Message- From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:05 AM To: Robert Taylor; Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills No, it's obviously conceptual. -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 April 2004 1:04 To: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills My arse -Original Message- From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:03 AM To: Robert Taylor; Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills To you, maybe. To Mills it's obviously conceptual. -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 April 2004 1:02 To: Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills But it's just a record -Original Message- From: Andrew [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 10:58 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills Sorry to pile in here...philosophy background coming into play ;-) Mills chose the symbolic colour of white as the vinyl colour in the design to represent an unknown destination in space and/or time This is actually justified conceptually by thinking about a situation where you are in space which is completely white - no other information is being received by you. You therefore have no sense of change in your environment other than your inner sense of space and/or time, and so in an limited sense these things cease to exist. Philosophically I call this a 'white room' scenario, actually a very interesting situation which highlights certain things about how we perceive and know anything at all. So there! Peace, Andrew # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You
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how can yu love someone as a person if you don't know them? On Thu, 8 Apr 2004, Peteri, Jochem wrote: It´s amazing how much emotion theo and Mills stir with their fans, its powerfull music, so much is sure. Good to see people debate it so furiously. I guess its why i love Mills as a person as well as a musician although i cant really do anything with his theories it at least gets us to think about em. The information contained in this e-mail communication is solely intended for the person/legal person to whom it has been sent, and as it may contain information of a personal or confidential nature, it may not be made public by virtue of law, regulations or agreement. If someone other than the intended recipient should receive or come into possession of this e-mail communication, he/she will not be entitled to read, disseminate, disclose or duplicate it. If you are not the intended recipient, you are requested to inform the sender of this e-mail message of this immediately, and to destroy the original e-mail communication. Neither Randstad Holding nv nor its subsidiaries accept any liability for incorrect and incomplete transmission or delayed receipt of this e-mail.
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its' spelled 'color', not 'colour' -wankers ;) On Thu, 8 Apr 2004, john harvey wrote: we all know that white is not a colour but your remark is pedantic as it doesn't relate to or change the argument in any way. once again, white is not a colour...white is no colour, black is all. thats the point i think of blue room vs white room well, your statement seemed to be backing the argument that the colour white was used for a special reason - but i was saying that based on your argument this couldn't be true, as you seem to now agree; the uniformity of white is no different from the uniformity of any other colour. The information contained in this e-mail communication is solely intended for the person/legal person to whom it has been sent, and as it may contain information of a personal or confidential nature, it may not be made public by virtue of law, regulations or agreement. If someone other than the intended recipient should receive or come into possession of this e-mail communication, he/she will not be entitled to read, disseminate, disclose or duplicate it. If you are not the intended recipient, you are requested to inform the sender of this e-mail message of this immediately, and to destroy the original e-mail communication. Neither Randstad Holding nv nor its subsidiaries accept any liability for incorrect and incomplete transmission or delayed receipt of this e-mail.
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you want a concept? buy a friggen Nation of Ulysses record. Now they had f**kin concepts. yes, go buy a Nation of Ulysses record because their concepts are the best concepts in this whole world that way once you've bought a Nation of Ulysses record you will never have to buy another record by anyone trying to pull ideas together into a complete package their concepts are more valid than Jeff Mills' concepts so Jeff, if you're reading any of this - stop right now because Nation of Ulysses is better than you and, even though you are addressing totally different issues and with different styles of music, you can't beat them no matter how hard you try same goes for those Underground Resistance guys, that Richie Hawtin character, and Kraftwerk - what a bunch of lightweights MEK
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i don't blame him for trying- its just that he so BAD at it. worst pontificator ever On Thu, 8 Apr 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If, say, Phillip Glass, Sun Ra, Holger Czukay, or Brian Eno were to say the same thing as Mills is we'd all be going hmmm, yes, very interesting concept but we're not because Jeff Mills is *supposed* to make dance music and it just ain't right for him to conceptualize or attempt to put some thought (even if it's half baked) into his art. That's what it is - his art. And yes, it's mass produced for consumers but so are Rembrant's, Warhol's, and Rothko's. He's crossing pop culture with ideas of high art - he's not the first to do this so I'm not sure why everyone gets so upset when he presents a concept. At least he's not saying dude I put it on marble green vinyl because it looks so f*cking rad man! He's also not gluing sandpaper to the vinyl so you can still play it - he's trying to put some thought and effort into it while still presenting a usable product- you can't blame a man for trying something. MEK Robert Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [EMAIL PROTECTED], 4.co.uk Andrew [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org cc: 04/08/04 07:12 AMSubject: RE: (313) new Mills A concept that is somewhat lacking if it takes a load of highfaluting nonsense to explain it. -Original Message- From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:07 AM To: Robert Taylor; Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills That he's composed a piece of music based specifically around an idea, a concept. -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 April 2004 1:06 To: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills My arse exists on more levels than the purely conceptual, Ryan. What do you mean by conceptual? -Original Message- From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:05 AM To: Robert Taylor; Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills No, it's obviously conceptual. -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 April 2004 1:04 To: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills My arse -Original Message- From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:03 AM To: Robert Taylor; Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills To you, maybe. To Mills it's obviously conceptual. -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 April 2004 1:02 To: Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills But it's just a record -Original Message- From: Andrew [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 10:58 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills Sorry to pile in here...philosophy background coming into play ;-) Mills chose the symbolic colour of white as the vinyl colour in the design to represent an unknown destination in space and/or time This is actually justified conceptually by thinking about a situation where you are in space which is completely white - no other information is being received by you. You therefore have no sense of change in your environment other than your inner sense of space and/or time, and so in an limited sense these things cease to exist. Philosophically I call this a 'white room' scenario, actually a very interesting situation which highlights certain things about how we perceive and know anything at all. So there! Peace, Andrew # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. # *** Opinions expressed in this email are those of the individual and not Entergy-Koch Trading Limited or its affiliated companies. This email and any files transmitted with it, including replies and forwarded copies (which may contain alterations) subsequently transmitted from the Company, are confidential and solely for the use of the intended
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Let us see you step up to the plate, what's the title of your latest cut - let me go pick it up and see who the lightweight is... 313 - TS-1 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 1:45 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills you want a concept? buy a friggen Nation of Ulysses record. Now they had f**kin concepts. yes, go buy a Nation of Ulysses record because their concepts are the best concepts in this whole world that way once you've bought a Nation of Ulysses record you will never have to buy another record by anyone trying to pull ideas together into a complete package their concepts are more valid than Jeff Mills' concepts so Jeff, if you're reading any of this - stop right now because Nation of Ulysses is better than you and, even though you are addressing totally different issues and with different styles of music, you can't beat them no matter how hard you try same goes for those Underground Resistance guys, that Richie Hawtin character, and Kraftwerk - what a bunch of lightweights MEK The contents of this e-mail are intended for the named addressee only. It contains information that may be confidential. Unless you are the named addressee or an authorized designee, you may not copy or use it, or disclose it to anyone else. If you received it in error please notify us immediately and then destroy it.
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it's colour - color is the american spelling its' spelled 'color', not 'colour' -wankers ;) On Thu, 8 Apr 2004, john harvey wrote: we all know that white is not a colour but your remark is pedantic as it doesn't relate to or change the argument in any way. once again, white is not a colour...white is no colour, black is all. thats the point i think of blue room vs white room well, your statement seemed to be backing the argument that the colour white was used for a special reason - but i was saying that based on your argument this couldn't be true, as you seem to now agree; the uniformity of white is no different from the uniformity of any other colour. The information contained in this e-mail communication is solely intended for the person/legal person to whom it has been sent, and as it may contain information of a personal or confidential nature, it may not be made public by virtue of law, regulations or agreement. If someone other than the intended recipient should receive or come into possession of this e-mail communication, he/she will not be entitled to read, disseminate, disclose or duplicate it. If you are not the intended recipient, you are requested to inform the sender of this e-mail message of this immediately, and to destroy the original e-mail communication. Neither Randstad Holding nv nor its subsidiaries accept any liability for incorrect and incomplete transmission or delayed receipt of this e-mail.
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easy sparky. i said when it comes to concepts- mills is a lightweight. read a NoU CD booklet and see what i'm saying. On Thu, 8 Apr 2004, Steward, Tim wrote: There is no way you can say mills is a lightweight, Music production is an art, and art is a form of expression if you choose not to buy it that's your choice, but call him a lightweight when he is a true artist..It appears to me that he is able to continually re-create himself and capture his audience. If you take a look around the industry there are many people that copy the things he does, for example without naming names - who just recently copied his See The Light idea...and who will copy the dvd concept next.. The art of DJing is not easy we all know, but the art of music production is not easy either (believe me) In order for the techno (electro,house,jungle,trance etc...) scene to survive more people have to constantly step out on the edge and try to re-create themselves. TS-1 (Deep in the 313) Where music evolves from the soul of the city -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 1:27 PM To: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) Cc: 'Robert Taylor'; Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills you want a concept? buy a friggen Nation of Ulysses record. Now they had f**kin concepts. Mills is a lightweight. On Thu, 8 Apr 2004, Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) wrote: Right, right, I see...it's diss Mills time again!! At the end of the day, take it or leave it. If that's how HE chooses to do things, and you don't get it, then don't worry about it!! Take from it what you want. At the end of the day, the concepts don't sell the records to me, at all - but I certainly wouldn't attempt to belittle the ideas by imposing my opinion on others. Better than conceptualising about drug monkeys in a nightclub anyway - because that is just not challenging, in the slightest. -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 April 2004 1:12 To: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills A concept that is somewhat lacking if it takes a load of highfaluting nonsense to explain it. -Original Message- From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:07 AM To: Robert Taylor; Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills That he's composed a piece of music based specifically around an idea, a concept. -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 April 2004 1:06 To: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills My arse exists on more levels than the purely conceptual, Ryan. What do you mean by conceptual? -Original Message- From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:05 AM To: Robert Taylor; Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills No, it's obviously conceptual. -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 April 2004 1:04 To: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills My arse -Original Message- From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:03 AM To: Robert Taylor; Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills To you, maybe. To Mills it's obviously conceptual. -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 April 2004 1:02 To: Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills But it's just a record -Original Message- From: Andrew [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 10:58 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Mills Sorry to pile in here...philosophy background coming into play ;-) Mills chose the symbolic colour of white as the vinyl colour in the design to represent an unknown destination in space and/or time This is actually justified conceptually by thinking about a situation where you are in space which is completely white - no other information is being received by you. You therefore have no sense of change in your environment other than your inner sense of space and/or time, and so in an limited sense these things cease to exist. Philosophically I call this a 'white room' scenario, actually a very interesting situation which highlights certain things about how we perceive and know anything at all. So there! Peace, Andrew # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four
