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if you all rush out and get it now, theres nothing stopping them from releasing the next one for a buck or two more. consider that, but keep in mind that I respect you all as music listeners and collectors, so holding off on a great piece of (available) vinyl isnt always an option :) - Original Message - From: J. T. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2004 2:57 PM Subject: RE: (313) Re: () SIX NINE represses? but will you get this record? its certainly not easy to come by used for nothing. im sure some people will have their stories, but in a smaller city like pittsburgh, theres pretty much zero chance of me coming up with that record. who cares. i'll get a dozen other records that are equally good. i'm a music lover not a collector..in most cases.. . demand IS that great though! like i said=, all the distros with it that ive seen (unique, watts, and 161) were out of it within hours of having it in. and that was at a price of $10 wholesale! well we'll see how well the stores can actually sell it. none of the people i was with at recordtime looked twice at it. too much other good chit to buy for 1/3 the price when the only other way to get it is through ebay, its worth that by far. and i dont think this record needed any more hype than it already has from being an excellent record. fart also, AFAIK theres no difference between the repress and the original. in 20 years, no one will know or even remember which one is which. thats a completely false assertion. thats what record collecting is all about. my dad's been selling rare records for 40 yearsand i've been selling stuff on ebay for quite awhile. music lovers dont care about pressings etc, but this chit isnt priced for music lovers. but it will be soon enough...in 20 years it will be very easy to remember which pressing is which because the original will cost a fortune and the repress will be affordable...as it should be now. the peacefrog joints are a whole other story. those are tunes with no prior track record. i think that practice is a little weak, but the artist roster has plenty of draw. it's really not so different. just sought after artists instead of sought after tracks.. much more willing to pay for records that i know and want that are hard to get ahold of. their rarity and goodness is established, not created. a repress is not rare and does not deserve that price, the end. you dont press a rare record, it becomes rare over time. the rarity of the original record is established. the inflated cost of a repress is just trying to quickly take advantage of the demand for the original. it's a cheap trick. guarantee you the repress will be worth less than current wholesale price in 5 years. you're missing the point entirely. just because you can price something high and still sell it ok doesnt mean you are justified in doing so (by anything other than overzealous capitalism). clone could have priced their glass domain rerelease similarily, but didnt. because they are not trying to overcapitalize. your willingness to pay exorbitant prices does not excuse the jacked up pricetag...it makes you a sucker... it hasnt taken one tiny bit of joy out of me finally being able to own 4 jazz funk classics. if nothing else, im extremely excited. you got the collector itch in you, or a thick wallet -- i hope a thick wallet so you're still buying other stuff if pressing small numbers and charging high prices will convince people to repress hard to find classics, im ALL FOR IT. if carl cool, you're the one they're selling to then.. repressed each of the retroactive records at that price, id buy each and every one of them. really? i sure wouldnt. they're not all great, some sound very dated now. but following this new pricing strategy down the line, why not just repress 100 copies of the retroactive stuff and sell them for $100 each. make $10k off 100 records, yea! can you still not see why that sucks? from a music lover's pov, it sucksfor the collectors, for the stores it's great...i pretty much make my living selling stuff to compulsive collectors, but i am not about to become one, i cant afford it... _ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar – get it now! http://toolbar.msn.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/
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if you all rush out and get it now, theres nothing stopping them from releasing the next one for a buck or two more. consider that, but keep in mind that I respect you all as music listeners and collectors, so holding off on a great piece of (available) vinyl isnt always an option :) There's nothing stopping them from charging $100 if they wanted to it's their product and they can charge as much as they want doesn't matter if we all rush out now or take a year to go and buy them all up maybe there is a reason for the higher price - none of us will know until a rep from Planet E gets on this list and tell us why the price is higher what I do know is I'm enjoying having this record finally MEK
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We have this in stock at the moment if anyone needs a copy cheers Jason On 16 Apr 2004, at 21:16, Minto George wrote: colonel MAC wrote: true, and there's a 69 CD on RS with different cuts from the 69 12-inches, My Machines, Sound on Sound, etc. I think i lost that one over the years too. :P arg
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i saw one of these at record time roseville, but not sure what the price was. i'm going there shortly, in case anyone wants to know what they're charging. ani : -Original Message- : From: Jason Brunton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 3:13 PM : To: Minto George : Cc: 313 : Subject: Re: (313) Re: () SIX NINE represses? : : : We have this in stock at the moment if anyone needs a copy : : cheers : : Jason : On 16 Apr 2004, at 21:16, Minto George wrote: :
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about this 69 repress, there were copies still available at Hardwax until three years ago? from the original press so to say.. and even then it went already sky rocket high on ebay strange things. === Nomorewords.net IJplein 262, 1021 LR, Amsterdam The Netherlands http://nomorewords.net phn +31-20-494-5535 fax +31-20-494-5510
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colonel MAC wrote: true, and there's a 69 CD on RS with different cuts from the 69 12-inches, My Machines, Sound on Sound, etc. I think i lost that one over the years too. :P arg Matt or anyone who wants this, I know where there is a copy. I had a couple I bought in at a store i worked at years ago and no one ever bought em, they are probably still sitting on the shelf with a mound of dust on em. let me know! m = down low music http://downlowmusic.org UPCOMING '04 East Island vs The Moderator dL011 OUT NOW Iridite Productions The Acceptable Face of Elitist Techno dL012 MAR __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online by April 15th http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html
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Hmmm - Hot Grooves has it for $9.28 + shipping the cheapest shipping option I can get is $3.99 so the total for my order would be $13.27 so if I pay an extra $2.00 at my local shop I can have it today not much cheaper one way or the other MEK
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oh my god! get all these creepy record collectors away from me!
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Well JT, all I can say is I've wanted this record for YEARS, if I see it in Gramaphone I will probably pick it up even for $16-17. I bet that there are a lot of people like me, I don't think we are getting played or jacked. Note that I already have it on MP3, but I love vinyl and I think this is really a seminal Detroit techno record, something worth owning for the rest of my life. I'm not buying it just because it is rare. Sure, maybe they pressed too many copies and the prices will come down - but how can we know if that is the case? And why not let an artist make a little extra money off a great record, he couldn't have made THAT MUCH on the original to begin with. Remember, people can find the mp3 for free. The value of vinyl is that people like me enjoy owning it despite the availability of mp3s. Sure I look for good deals buying records, but I do collect music that I really like just because I love it, and I'm willing to pay for this. The vinyl market is NOT for everyone, it is elitist by its very nature. High pricing for limited pressings of classics does make sense, as long as they don't press so many that the price turns out to be unsustainable and they can't sell all the copies produced. ~David -Original Message- From: J. T. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2004 5:51 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Re: () SIX NINE represses? so you dont like the record because its not good? i dont understand. if you were actually a music lover, i think youd be happy to finally get your hands on a good record that otherwise you wouldnt pay crazy loot for. i'm not a music lover. i was just playing. music is for the birds tweet tweet who said i didnt like the record? i just dont like the price. i've got better things to spend my money on, like, new stuff thats priced normally. i dont even buy old records for high prices, i find them cheap or i dont have them. there is too much great music out there that can be found cheap. stores arent smoking crack for the most part. they dont order things they think they wont be able to sell. i'd be interested in hearing back from somebody in detroit whether those 69's on the wall at recordtime sell or not. they didnt order many tho. excellent argument. i respond to hot air with hot air the repress is exactly identical to the original. how will they determine which it is? carbon dating a sample from the vinyl? yes wiseass you have to carbon date the vinyl. or look at the runout/label/sleeve. something about it will be different. if its truly identical, than the high price is even more shady -- based on the rarity of the original, which it has suddenly become itself, but widely available.. this is my point though. it would be bad if big name artists just started selling their records for more because they are who they are. putting a premium price on an established anthem is altogether different. which is the established anthem on 4 jazz funk? my machines? anthem? i dont think thats quite the right word somehow..more like sought-after techno collector stuff...hence the pricetag...and is this not just because it's carl craig? elite techno stuff? all that old trax stuff was wa bigger than this...and i think farley trumps craig as far as big names...and those represses were cheap.. anthems dont tend to have an inflated pricetag throw is 1000 times the anthem of anything on 4 jazz funk, but is priced normally. the price of the 69 is to take advantage of collectors. you can argue all you want, yes it's a great record to own, but you got played. of course it's no problem to you if it was worth (personally) what you paid for it. but in the larger context of the record business, it sucks and is a jack move..and its not normally how represses are handled. usually they are aimed at giving rare music a renewed availability and accessibility. the repress is cheap, the original stays valuable and rare and even more sought after...but the pricetage on this is jumping the gun. it's essentially calling a record rare even as it's hot off the presses and available everywhere, totally a marketing ploy. it's the record industry collapsing on itself, not looking for new listeners but to instead take existing customers (collectors especially) for all it can...while it can. because soon people will be aware that this record is not so hard to find anymore. there will be copies sitting in stores, the urgency will wear off. the collector demand will evaporate. it's a a gaaame, and i do not like these games ill bet you a ton of money on that. look at shades of jae by moodymann. that record has been repressed, even as recently as 5 what its worth and what people will pay for it are seperate things sometimes. i've sold records which arent worth a pile of beans for a decent little chunk on eBay. the record collecting business is very similar to comic book collecting. price
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ah well, good points... i just dont care anymore or something i guess. or maybe i am too broke. if it was normal price i'd buy it, but since it's way marked up, no way. granted those of us selling records at normal wholesale price aren't making squat. but it just seems a little odd when you have even more rare chit getting repressed and sold at normal price, but oh this, this is special! it does smell of some kinda techno elitism or something to me. and is definitely taking advantage of collector mindset/fetishism, but if you're a collector or horny for this record, what do you care i guess. i still think you're being suckered, but if you're a willing sucker i guess you're not really a sucker. it's kinda sickly funny that putting a high price on something is actually a way to hype it up nowadays. pricing a repress as if it immediately shares the rarity of the original is a bit of a marketing trick, but if it works, hey. basic channel, clone, rephlex, environ, etc etc you guys missed out on the $$...doh! of course i want to get ahold of good music (that i dont have to have my computer on to listen to) and this makes me wish i could afford to be a collector. with my reasoning and my budget, there's no way i can feel ok buying this thing. it kinda bugs me but whatever. i'll look for it in the used bins etc. they'll end up there sooner or later whether they pressed a lot or a few anyways. there's plenty floating around now.. anyways thanks for the pov dave, you forgot to insult my mentality or appreciation for music tho... Well JT, all I can say is I've wanted this record for YEARS, if I see it in Gramaphone I will probably pick it up even for $16-17. I bet that there are a lot of people like me, I don't think we are getting played or jacked. Note that I already have it on MP3, but I love vinyl and I think this is really a seminal Detroit techno record, something worth owning for the rest of my life. I'm not buying it just because it is rare. Sure, maybe they pressed too many copies and the prices will come down - but how can we know if that is the case? And why not let an artist make a little extra money off a great record, he couldn't have made THAT MUCH on the original to begin with. Remember, people can find the mp3 for free. The value of vinyl is that people like me enjoy owning it despite the availability of mp3s. Sure I look for good deals buying records, but I do collect music that I really like just because I love it, and I'm willing to pay for this. The vinyl market is NOT for everyone, it is elitist by its very nature. High pricing for limited pressings of classics does make sense, as long as they don't press so many that the price turns out to be unsustainable and they can't sell all the copies produced. ~David -Original Message- From: J. T. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2004 5:51 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Re: () SIX NINE represses? so you dont like the record because its not good? i dont understand. if you were actually a music lover, i think youd be happy to finally get your hands on a good record that otherwise you wouldnt pay crazy loot for. i'm not a music lover. i was just playing. music is for the birds tweet tweet who said i didnt like the record? i just dont like the price. i've got better things to spend my money on, like, new stuff thats priced normally. i dont even buy old records for high prices, i find them cheap or i dont have them. there is too much great music out there that can be found cheap. stores arent smoking crack for the most part. they dont order things they think they wont be able to sell. i'd be interested in hearing back from somebody in detroit whether those 69's on the wall at recordtime sell or not. they didnt order many tho. excellent argument. i respond to hot air with hot air the repress is exactly identical to the original. how will they determine which it is? carbon dating a sample from the vinyl? yes wiseass you have to carbon date the vinyl. or look at the runout/label/sleeve. something about it will be different. if its truly identical, than the high price is even more shady -- based on the rarity of the original, which it has suddenly become itself, but widely available.. this is my point though. it would be bad if big name artists just started selling their records for more because they are who they are. putting a premium price on an established anthem is altogether different. which is the established anthem on 4 jazz funk? my machines? anthem? i dont think thats quite the right word somehow..more like sought-after techno collector stuff...hence the pricetag...and is this not just because it's carl craig? elite techno stuff? all that old trax stuff was wa bigger than this...and i think farley trumps craig as far as big names...and those represses were cheap.. anthems dont tend to have an inflated pricetag throw is 1000 times
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I can wholly understand JTs attitude to this. At the day these labels are making a business decision to release or rerelease music and sell it at an inflated cost because they can. They know the mentality of the record collector, hell I used to have it myself! Especially coming from the point of view of someone struggling to make a label successful themselves, its kinda frustrating. I guess I have slightly less of a problem with Planet E than I do the Peacefrog Privte Pressings, at least Carl Craig is selling this record based on it being an established great record, but the Private Pressings arent even that great, certainly not to the point of them ever really becoming clasics in thier own right IMO, they certainly dont have the judos of already being a classic to justify the price tag. They are being sold and marketed in a way that directly plugs into the record collectors mentality. Theres loads of better records coming out that are better and much better value for money from a pure musical point of view that are struggling to even sell 500 copies, so it kinda smacks of arrogance from Peacefrog to release 500 and then use the numbers to justify the price. Ive seen plenty of posts here from people that have bought these and theres always the feeling that they know they are getting ripped off, but cant help themselves, which is fine I guess, at the end of the day in 20 years time nobodys gonna think they were ripped off all that time ago, youre just gonna be glad you bought it when you did. My problem is where does this end? What if Peacefrog start banging out these Private Pressings every week, or Carl Craig does rerelease all the Retroactive stuff and charge $20 for it? How many good new records on struggling labels are gonna take a hit because people just cant afford to pick everything up? - Original Message - From: J. T. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 2:42 AM Subject: RE: (313) Re: () SIX NINE represses? ah well, good points... i just dont care anymore or something i guess. or maybe i am too broke. if it was normal price i'd buy it, but since it's way marked up, no way. granted those of us selling records at normal wholesale price aren't making squat. but it just seems a little odd when you have even more rare chit getting repressed and sold at normal price, but oh this, this is special! it does smell of some kinda techno elitism or something to me. and is definitely taking advantage of collector mindset/fetishism, but if you're a collector or horny for this record, what do you care i guess. i still think you're being suckered, but if you're a willing sucker i guess you're not really a sucker. it's kinda sickly funny that putting a high price on something is actually a way to hype it up nowadays. pricing a repress as if it immediately shares the rarity of the original is a bit of a marketing trick, but if it works, hey. basic channel, clone, rephlex, environ, etc etc you guys missed out on the $$...doh! of course i want to get ahold of good music (that i dont have to have my computer on to listen to) and this makes me wish i could afford to be a collector. with my reasoning and my budget, there's no way i can feel ok buying this thing. it kinda bugs me but whatever. i'll look for it in the used bins etc. they'll end up there sooner or later whether they pressed a lot or a few anyways. there's plenty floating around now.. anyways thanks for the pov dave, you forgot to insult my mentality or appreciation for music tho... Well JT, all I can say is I've wanted this record for YEARS, if I see it in Gramaphone I will probably pick it up even for $16-17. I bet that there are a lot of people like me, I don't think we are getting played or jacked. Note that I already have it on MP3, but I love vinyl and I think this is really a seminal Detroit techno record, something worth owning for the rest of my life. I'm not buying it just because it is rare. Sure, maybe they pressed too many copies and the prices will come down - but how can we know if that is the case? And why not let an artist make a little extra money off a great record, he couldn't have made THAT MUCH on the original to begin with. Remember, people can find the mp3 for free. The value of vinyl is that people like me enjoy owning it despite the availability of mp3s. Sure I look for good deals buying records, but I do collect music that I really like just because I love it, and I'm willing to pay for this. The vinyl market is NOT for everyone, it is elitist by its very nature. High pricing for limited pressings of classics does make sense, as long as they don't press so many that the price turns out to be unsustainable and they can't sell all the copies produced. ~David -Original Message- From: J. T. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2004 5:51 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org
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maybe the change in pricing of records reflects a change in the market for these records. the market for the planet e represses, ugly edits etc. is mainly middle class, (approaching) middle age record collectors. it's no longer driven by student djs in europe or american inner city kids who hear the stuff on the dancefloor or on WBMX then run to vinylmania or gramaphone the next day. remember all those claims that techno is the new jazz? maybe they're true. maybe it's a genre full of mainly obsessive balding male record collectors. james www.jbucknell.com Stewart Caig [EMAIL PROTECTED] soul.co.ukTo 313@hyperreal.org 15/04/04 07:05 AM cc Subject Re: (313) Re: () SIX NINE represses? i'd be interested in hearing back from somebody in detroit whether those 69's on the wall at recordtime sell or not. they didnt order many tho. excellent argument. i respond to hot air with hot air the repress is exactly identical to the original. how will they determine which it is? carbon dating a sample from the vinyl? yes wiseass you have to carbon date the vinyl. or look at the runout/label/sleeve. something about it will be different. if its truly identical, than the high price is even more shady -- based on the rarity of the original, which it has suddenly become itself, but widely available.. this is my point though. it would be bad if big name artists just started selling their records for more because they are who they are. putting a premium price on an established anthem is altogether different. which is the established anthem on 4 jazz funk? my machines? anthem? i dont think thats quite the right word somehow..more like sought-after techno collector stuff...hence the pricetag...and is this not just because it's carl craig? elite techno stuff? all that old trax stuff was wa bigger than this...and i think farley trumps craig as far as big names...and those represses were cheap.. anthems dont tend to have an inflated pricetag throw is 1000 times the anthem of anything on 4 jazz funk, but is priced normally. the price of the 69 is to take advantage of collectors. you can argue all you want, yes it's a great record to own, but you got played. of course it's no problem to you if it was worth (personally) what you paid for it. but in the larger context of the record business, it sucks and is a jack move..and its not normally how represses are handled. usually they are aimed at giving rare music a renewed availability and accessibility. the repress is cheap, the original stays valuable and rare and even more sought after...but the pricetage on this is jumping the gun. it's essentially calling a record rare even as it's hot off the presses and available everywhere, totally a marketing ploy. it's the record industry collapsing on itself, not looking for new listeners but to instead take existing customers (collectors especially) for all it can...while it can. because soon people will be aware that this record is not so hard to find anymore. there will be copies sitting in stores, the urgency will wear off. the collector demand will evaporate. it's a a gaaame, and i do not like these games ill bet you a ton of money on that. look at shades of jae by moodymann. that record has been repressed, even as recently as 5 what its worth and what people will pay for it are seperate things sometimes. i've sold records which arent worth a pile of beans for a decent little chunk on eBay. the record collecting business is very similar to comic book collecting. price trends are extreme, and shortlived. what might be worth $50 this year, in five years could be worth $5. or you might just find it for $1 in some secondhand store somewhere. some people only look to eBay...italo is crazy on there too. dirt cheap if you actually look for it. like, give a wantlist to somebody you know in nyc or chicago
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The parallels are pretty similar here- when I first got into buying vinyl it was around 1986/87 and there was a serious amount of classic jazz being reissued on Blue Note and other labels- it lead me to a lot of musical gems I would never have had the opportunity to experience otherwise. I'm hoping that a whole load of kids about 18-20 discover 4 Jazz Funk Classics, Relics, Night+Da etc, etc and find them as exciting and fresh as I did when they first came out. The danger lies when the artists concerned aren't producing much new work of worth and rely on their back cat to support them and their reputation- this certainly happened in the Jazz field in my opinion- hope it doesn't happen in Techno. cheers Jason On 15 Apr 2004, at 07:37, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: remember all those claims that techno is the new jazz? maybe they're true. maybe it's a genre full of mainly obsessive balding male record collectors. james www.jbucknell.com
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Touch :0D -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 14 April 2004 7:12 To: Scott K Ellis; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Re: () SIX NINE represses? I just picked up an original pressing from Save The Children for 50p -Original Message- From: Scott K Ellis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2004 5:01 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Re: () SIX NINE represses? Think I saw it at Hot Grooves for less than $10. Sure hope Record Time isn't jacking up the price that much. Scott -Original Message- From: robin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2004 12:51 PM To: 'J. T.'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Re: () SIX NINE represses? well it worked out at £11.99 over here ($20-25!) cheaper than ebay prices i guess but still a little cheeky somebody's been looking at the Ugly Edit prices and taken note. robin... - -Original Message- - From: - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - org] On Behalf Of J. T. - Sent: 14 April 2004 17:47 - To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org - Subject: (313) Re: () SIX NINE represses? - - - i saw the first 69 repress at recordtime over the - weekend...it was $16!! - maybe it had the wrong sticker on it, i didnt have any money - anyway so didnt - ask. is it a euro press distrib thing? orr..oh well. - - - I've asked Carl Craig about this repress last friday (@ - nouveau casino - -Paris) and he said the three 69 records are going to be - repressed, but - he did not mention a date. A good news for everybody who - missed them and - don't want to spend hundreds on ebay !!! - - Hope that helps :) - - - On 14-apr-04, at 16:52, Lee Herrington IV wrote: - - -can anyone speak to the possibility that there will be more 69 - represses? - it's nice to be able to own a copy of 4 jazz funk - classics without - having - to sell major organs to fund the purchase. - - - _ - FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! - http://toolbar.msn.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ - - --- - Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. - Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). - Version: 6.0.647 / Virus Database: 414 - Release Date: 29/03/2004 - - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.647 / Virus Database: 414 - Release Date: 29/03/2004 # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. # *** Opinions expressed in this email are those of the individual and not Entergy-Koch Trading Limited or its affiliated companies. This email and any files transmitted with it, including replies and forwarded copies (which may contain alterations) subsequently transmitted from the Company, are confidential and solely for the use of the intended recipient. It may contain material protected by attorney-client privilege. If you are not listed on the To or Cc lines of the original email (or are not the person responsible for delivering to an intended recipient), then you are not an intended recipient and have received this email in error. Any use by an unintended recipient is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error please notify the IT manager by telephone on +44 (0)20 7337 8300 or via email to [EMAIL PROTECTED], attaching this message. Please then delete this email and all attachments, and destroy any copies thereof. Thank you. ***
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Psyche! -Original Message- From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 8:12 AM To: Robert Taylor; Scott K Ellis; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Re: () SIX NINE represses? Touch :0D -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 14 April 2004 7:12 To: Scott K Ellis; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Re: () SIX NINE represses? I just picked up an original pressing from Save The Children for 50p -Original Message- From: Scott K Ellis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2004 5:01 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Re: () SIX NINE represses? Think I saw it at Hot Grooves for less than $10. Sure hope Record Time isn't jacking up the price that much. Scott -Original Message- From: robin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2004 12:51 PM To: 'J. T.'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Re: () SIX NINE represses? well it worked out at £11.99 over here ($20-25!) cheaper than ebay prices i guess but still a little cheeky somebody's been looking at the Ugly Edit prices and taken note. robin... - -Original Message- - From: - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - org] On Behalf Of J. T. - Sent: 14 April 2004 17:47 - To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org - Subject: (313) Re: () SIX NINE represses? - - - i saw the first 69 repress at recordtime over the - weekend...it was $16!! - maybe it had the wrong sticker on it, i didnt have any money - anyway so didnt - ask. is it a euro press distrib thing? orr..oh well. - - - I've asked Carl Craig about this repress last friday (@ - nouveau casino - -Paris) and he said the three 69 records are going to be - repressed, but - he did not mention a date. A good news for everybody who - missed them and - don't want to spend hundreds on ebay !!! - - Hope that helps :) - - - On 14-apr-04, at 16:52, Lee Herrington IV wrote: - - -can anyone speak to the possibility that there will be more 69 - represses? - it's nice to be able to own a copy of 4 jazz funk - classics without - having - to sell major organs to fund the purchase. - - - _ - FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! - http://toolbar.msn.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ - - --- - Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. - Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). - Version: 6.0.647 / Virus Database: 414 - Release Date: 29/03/2004 - - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.647 / Virus Database: 414 - Release Date: 29/03/2004 # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. # *** Opinions expressed in this email are those of the individual and not Entergy-Koch Trading Limited or its affiliated companies. This email and any files transmitted with it, including replies and forwarded copies (which may contain alterations) subsequently transmitted from the Company, are confidential and solely for the use of the intended recipient. It may contain material protected by attorney-client privilege. If you are not listed on the To or Cc lines of the original email (or are not the person responsible for delivering to an intended recipient), then you are not an intended recipient and have received this email in error. Any use by an unintended recipient is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error please notify the IT manager by telephone on +44 (0)20 7337 8300 or via email to [EMAIL PROTECTED], attaching this message. Please then delete this email and all attachments, and destroy any copies thereof. Thank you. *** # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. #
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The danger lies when the artists concerned aren't producing much new work of worth and rely on their back cat to support them and their reputation- this certainly happened in the Jazz field in my opinion- hope it doesn't happen in Techno. Some good points chief but even at £14, the artist won't be making that much - I like the Peacefrog idea and if it means the artist has enough cash to carry on for another month of making music - sweet. Martin
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JasonBruntonI'm hoping that a whole load of kids about 18-20 discover 4 Jazz Funk Classics, Relics, Night+Da etc, etc and find them as exciting and fresh as I did when they first came out. It's working Jason, seen it with my own eyes. This kid (18/19?) I know from hanging about in the record shop, really nice kid, dead enthusiastic about music, always mithering for tips on things. I saw him last week on Oldham St. Big grin on his face clutching a piccadilly records bag. He comes up to me Have you heard this with a big look of amazement. 1 copy of 4 Jazz Funk Classics in his bag. I gave him the little wink wink, and said see you later, and I walked off with a big grin on my face, happy that a repress can put such an enthusiastic music lover onto some proper techno instead of all that flipping rubbish kids can be hoodwinked into buying. Oh, yeah, and another thing. The one thing that has surprised me about this thread is this... HALF OF YOU NEVER OWNED A COPY OF FOUR JAZZ FUNK CLASSICS? YOU LOT ARE RUBBISH, GET WITH THE PROGRAM. All the best, Alex _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
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There seem to be a lot of concerns about the price of this re-release - and it's highlighting a lot of issues about price in general. However, I'd like to point out something In London, prices are varying. My copy cost me GBP9.99 from Soul Jazz (or whatever they're calling themselves nowadays). This is only about GBP2 more or even less, than the most expensive price of a more conventional release from most other shops specializing in this music. Some shops are slightly above, some slightly below. I would suggest - correct me if I am very wrong - that the situation is similar in the States (although of course this discussion will be moot in ten days I think, as the stocks really *are* finite!). Therefore, whilst a lot of issues worthy of discussion are being raised, I don't think that this is in fact the most expensive record of it's kind around in recent months. From my point of view, if it's a record which you have been seeking, this is probably the best deal going for many years. In view of that, I think the price is fine. Only mho. k
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WORD!!! Have a great day, Jochem HALF OF YOU NEVER OWNED A COPY OF FOUR JAZZ FUNK CLASSICS? YOU LOT ARE RUBBISH, GET WITH THE PROGRAM. All the best, Alex The information contained in this e-mail communication is solely intended for the person/legal person to whom it has been sent, and as it may contain information of a personal or confidential nature, it may not be made public by virtue of law, regulations or agreement. If someone other than the intended recipient should receive or come into possession of this e-mail communication, he/she will not be entitled to read, disseminate, disclose or duplicate it. If you are not the intended recipient, you are requested to inform the sender of this e-mail message of this immediately, and to destroy the original e-mail communication. Neither Randstad Holding nv nor its subsidiaries accept any liability for incorrect and incomplete transmission or delayed receipt of this e-mail.
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That is the same price that Rub A Dub are charging cheers Jason On 15 Apr 2004, at 10:02, Ken Odeluga wrote: There seem to be a lot of concerns about the price of this re-release - and it's highlighting a lot of issues about price in general. However, I'd like to point out something In London, prices are varying. My copy cost me GBP9.99 from Soul Jazz (or whatever they're calling themselves nowadays). This is only about GBP2 more or even less, than the most expensive price of a more conventional release from most other shops specializing in this music. Some shops are slightly above, some slightly below. I would suggest - correct me if I am very wrong - that the situation is similar in the States (although of course this discussion will be moot in ten days I think, as the stocks really *are* finite!). Therefore, whilst a lot of issues worthy of discussion are being raised, I don't think that this is in fact the most expensive record of it's kind around in recent months. From my point of view, if it's a record which you have been seeking, this is probably the best deal going for many years. In view of that, I think the price is fine. Only mho. k
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I would just like to state that for the record (no pun intended) - I have a full head of hair. But I dig that craazy beat maan! MEK [EMAIL PROTECTED] sDigest.com To: cc: 313@hyperreal.org 04/15/04 01:37 AMSubject: Re: (313) Re: () SIX NINE represses? maybe the change in pricing of records reflects a change in the market for these records. the market for the planet e represses, ugly edits etc. is mainly middle class, (approaching) middle age record collectors. it's no longer driven by student djs in europe or american inner city kids who hear the stuff on the dancefloor or on WBMX then run to vinylmania or gramaphone the next day. remember all those claims that techno is the new jazz? maybe they're true. maybe it's a genre full of mainly obsessive balding male record collectors. james www.jbucknell.com Stewart Caig [EMAIL PROTECTED] soul.co.ukTo 313@hyperreal.org 15/04/04 07:05 AM cc Subject Re: (313) Re: () SIX NINE represses? i'd be interested in hearing back from somebody in detroit whether those 69's on the wall at recordtime sell or not. they didnt order many tho. excellent argument. i respond to hot air with hot air the repress is exactly identical to the original. how will they determine which it is? carbon dating a sample from the vinyl? yes wiseass you have to carbon date the vinyl. or look at the runout/label/sleeve. something about it will be different. if its truly identical, than the high price is even more shady -- based on the rarity of the original, which it has suddenly become itself, but widely available.. this is my point though. it would be bad if big name artists just started selling their records for more because they are who they are. putting a premium price on an established anthem is altogether different. which is the established anthem on 4 jazz funk? my machines? anthem? i dont think thats quite the right word somehow..more like sought-after techno collector stuff...hence the pricetag...and is this not just because it's carl craig? elite techno stuff? all that old trax stuff was wa bigger than this...and i think farley trumps craig as far as big names...and those represses were cheap.. anthems dont tend to have an inflated pricetag throw is 1000 times the anthem of anything on 4 jazz funk, but is priced normally. the price of the 69 is to take advantage of collectors. you can argue all you want, yes it's a great record to own, but you got played. of course it's no problem to you if it was worth (personally) what you paid for it. but in the larger context of the record business, it sucks and is a jack move..and its not normally how represses are handled. usually they are aimed at giving rare music a renewed availability and accessibility. the repress is cheap, the original stays valuable and rare and even more sought after...but the pricetage on this is jumping the gun. it's essentially calling a record rare even as it's hot off the presses and available everywhere, totally a marketing ploy. it's the record industry collapsing on itself, not looking for new listeners but to instead take existing customers (collectors especially) for all it can...while it can. because soon people will be aware that this record is not so hard to find anymore. there will be copies sitting in stores, the urgency will wear off. the collector demand will evaporate. it's a a gaaame, and i do not like these games ill bet you a ton of money on that. look at shades of jae by moodymann. that record has been repressed, even as recently as 5 what its worth and what people will pay for it are seperate things sometimes. i've sold records which arent worth a pile of beans for a decent little chunk on eBay. the record collecting business is very similar to comic book collecting. price trends are extreme, and shortlived. what might be worth $50 this year, in five years could be worth $5. or you might just find it for $1 in some secondhand store somewhere. some people only look to eBay...italo is crazy on there too. dirt cheap if you actually look for it. like, give a wantlist to somebody you know in nyc or chicago... im
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On Apr 15, 2004, at 10:01 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh, yeah, and another thing. The one thing that has surprised me about this thread is this... HALF OF YOU NEVER OWNED A COPY OF FOUR JAZZ FUNK CLASSICS? YOU LOT ARE RUBBISH, GET WITH THE PROGRAM. Ahem. I own Sound On Sound. I own Lite Music. I even own the CD that combines the two of them (still don't understand why Carl didn't release a CD that contains all 3 along with 4 Jazz Funk Classics ... mutter). I've only *seen* 4 Jazz Funk Classics *ONCE*. Joe Babylon (of Plug Research fame) owns it, and I saw his copy. (I still chuckle at the image of Joe writing QUADRANT in big letters on a piece of paper and walking up to the DJ booth at the Planet E party a couple of years ago while Carl was on the decks and sticking it right in front of his face ;-) ) You can't get with the program if you can't find the damn program! BTW, I also own the Elements 1989-1990 album on *both* vinyl and CD. (Found the vinyl first, then the CD later ... d'oh!). I'd gladly trade the vinyl version (which has fewer tracks, btw) ... for an original edition copy of 4 Jazz Funk Classics ;-) - Greg
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I've only *seen* 4 Jazz Funk Classics *ONCE* really? It wasn't rare at all here, even thought the other two got licensed to RS, there was still loads of these kicking around. Maybe they all got exported to Europe or something? Alex _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
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Greg Earle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've only *seen* 4 Jazz Funk Classics *ONCE* Alex Bond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: really? It wasn't rare at all here, even thought the other two got licensed to RS, there was still loads of these kicking around. In terms of rarity, I've also only ever seen 1 copy of this record (admittedly, I haven't looked REALLY hard , but it's on my list :). The other 2 were also fairly scarce around here, even though other supposedly rare records were quite easy to obtain. Sven
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The one thing that has surprised me about this thread is this... HALF OF YOU NEVER OWNED A COPY OF FOUR JAZZ FUNK CLASSICS? or worse, like me, you bought the first time, played it for 10 years, then LOST your original, now i'm going to fork it over for a repress. :P Life ain't fair. But honestly i was so sure I'd never own it again at eBay prices, I'm pretty happy I can mix with it again at all. How about this line: approved by 66 for interplanetary disco dancing I share JT's pain about the blatant cash-in, it seems silly, I applaud you for taking a stand. In my case I am willing to pay for it because I need/want/love to mix with this record and so much of other current crap pales in comparison to this gem. It's like not having a favorite color available to paint with. i'd gladly skip 2 other lesser new imports. It's all a matter of justification to myself, but I'd rate as one of my top 20 detroit techno records. Does that justify how Planet E decided to price it? Not really, but they placated an addict like me. It's like the friggin methadone program. Now as for rare, who got the glow-in-the-dark 69 t-shirt that came out about the same time as the original ? Well hey - it doesn't matter much cause you can't put a needle on it and hear great tunes! Exploitably yours, -- Matt MacQueen http://SonicSunset.com
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I've only *seen* 4 Jazz Funk Classics *ONCE* really? It wasn't rare at all here, even thought the other two got licensed to RS, there was still loads of these kicking around. true, and there's a 69 CD on RS with different cuts from the 69 12-inches, My Machines, Sound on Sound, etc. I think i lost that one over the years too. :P arg -- Matt MacQueen http://SonicSunset.com
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well it worked out at £11.99 over here ($20-25!) cheaper than ebay prices i guess but still a little cheeky somebody's been looking at the Ugly Edit prices and taken note. robin... - -Original Message- - From: - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - org] On Behalf Of J. T. - Sent: 14 April 2004 17:47 - To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org - Subject: (313) Re: () SIX NINE represses? - - - i saw the first 69 repress at recordtime over the - weekend...it was $16!! - maybe it had the wrong sticker on it, i didnt have any money - anyway so didnt - ask. is it a euro press distrib thing? orr..oh well. - - - I've asked Carl Craig about this repress last friday (@ - nouveau casino - -Paris) and he said the three 69 records are going to be - repressed, but - he did not mention a date. A good news for everybody who - missed them and - don't want to spend hundreds on ebay !!! - - Hope that helps :) - - - On 14-apr-04, at 16:52, Lee Herrington IV wrote: - - -can anyone speak to the possibility that there will be more 69 - represses? - it's nice to be able to own a copy of 4 jazz funk - classics without - having - to sell major organs to fund the purchase. - - - _ - FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar get it now! - http://toolbar.msn.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ - - --- - Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. - Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). - Version: 6.0.647 / Virus Database: 414 - Release Date: 29/03/2004 - - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.647 / Virus Database: 414 - Release Date: 29/03/2004
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-- Original Message -- From: robin [EMAIL PROTECTED] well it worked out at £11.99 over here ($20-25!) cheaper than ebay prices i guess but still a little cheeky somebody's been looking at the Ugly Edit prices and taken note. its supply and demand. even @ $10 and up from US distros, all the distros were out within hours of getting them in. i know my demand for the record was well over $17 (what i paid for it from submerge) but well under what a used copy goes for on ebay. ill be happy to get the other 69 records for the same price as well. now carl needs to repress those retroactive records and a couple more early planet e joints to make me happy. tom andythepooh.com
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Think I saw it at Hot Grooves for less than $10. Sure hope Record Time isn't jacking up the price that much. Scott -Original Message- From: robin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2004 12:51 PM To: 'J. T.'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Re: () SIX NINE represses? well it worked out at £11.99 over here ($20-25!) cheaper than ebay prices i guess but still a little cheeky somebody's been looking at the Ugly Edit prices and taken note. robin... - -Original Message- - From: - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - org] On Behalf Of J. T. - Sent: 14 April 2004 17:47 - To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org - Subject: (313) Re: () SIX NINE represses? - - - i saw the first 69 repress at recordtime over the - weekend...it was $16!! - maybe it had the wrong sticker on it, i didnt have any money - anyway so didnt - ask. is it a euro press distrib thing? orr..oh well. - - - I've asked Carl Craig about this repress last friday (@ - nouveau casino - -Paris) and he said the three 69 records are going to be - repressed, but - he did not mention a date. A good news for everybody who - missed them and - don't want to spend hundreds on ebay !!! - - Hope that helps :) - - - On 14-apr-04, at 16:52, Lee Herrington IV wrote: - - -can anyone speak to the possibility that there will be more 69 - represses? - it's nice to be able to own a copy of 4 jazz funk - classics without - having - to sell major organs to fund the purchase. - - - _ - FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar get it now! - http://toolbar.msn.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ - - --- - Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. - Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). - Version: 6.0.647 / Virus Database: 414 - Release Date: 29/03/2004 - - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.647 / Virus Database: 414 - Release Date: 29/03/2004
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I just picked up an original pressing from Save The Children for 50p -Original Message- From: Scott K Ellis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2004 5:01 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Re: () SIX NINE represses? Think I saw it at Hot Grooves for less than $10. Sure hope Record Time isn't jacking up the price that much. Scott -Original Message- From: robin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2004 12:51 PM To: 'J. T.'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Re: () SIX NINE represses? well it worked out at £11.99 over here ($20-25!) cheaper than ebay prices i guess but still a little cheeky somebody's been looking at the Ugly Edit prices and taken note. robin... - -Original Message- - From: - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - org] On Behalf Of J. T. - Sent: 14 April 2004 17:47 - To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org - Subject: (313) Re: () SIX NINE represses? - - - i saw the first 69 repress at recordtime over the - weekend...it was $16!! - maybe it had the wrong sticker on it, i didnt have any money - anyway so didnt - ask. is it a euro press distrib thing? orr..oh well. - - - I've asked Carl Craig about this repress last friday (@ - nouveau casino - -Paris) and he said the three 69 records are going to be - repressed, but - he did not mention a date. A good news for everybody who - missed them and - don't want to spend hundreds on ebay !!! - - Hope that helps :) - - - On 14-apr-04, at 16:52, Lee Herrington IV wrote: - - -can anyone speak to the possibility that there will be more 69 - represses? - it's nice to be able to own a copy of 4 jazz funk - classics without - having - to sell major organs to fund the purchase. - - - _ - FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! - http://toolbar.msn.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ - - --- - Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. - Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). - Version: 6.0.647 / Virus Database: 414 - Release Date: 29/03/2004 - - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.647 / Virus Database: 414 - Release Date: 29/03/2004 # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. #
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what?? there's no reason for a gd repress to be $17. f that. i aint buying it. i'll wait to pick up a dozen other classics for the same money at a secondhand place. there's loads of other classics out there... i dont think there are many positive ramifications of pricing records this way. it is supply and demand yes, high price to make as much profit as possible because demand is not that great. those who want it want it bad enough to pay the retarded price. it's a kinda shady way to hype your product: it costs a lot -- it must be good! it's worth it! well maybe, but it's not worth 3 times the price of other new records, especially not for a repress. even from a collector standpoint..all glory is to the original pressing, traditionally represses arent worth much, they even devalue. you cant put a price on good music, but there is a standard price for records so... overall i think this trend stinks. leaves buyers with a smaller budget for other new records, gives these high-priced classics, new peacefrogs etc, somewhat undue priority with your wallet. nice marketing trick but makes the vinyl market even more exclusive, and harder for smaller labels to stay in the game. generally takes some joy out of buying new records. whatever. props to clone for repressing glass domain with a normal pricetag. its supply and demand. even @ $10 and up from US distros, all the distros were out within hours of getting them in. i know my demand for the record was well over $17 (what i paid for it from submerge) but well under what a used copy goes for on ebay. ill be happy to get the other 69 records for the same price as well. now carl needs to repress those retroactive records and a couple more early planet e joints to make me happy. tom andythepooh.com _ Limited-time offer: Fast, reliable MSN 9 Dial-up Internet access FREE for 2 months! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialuppgmarket=en-usST=1/go/onm00200361ave/direct/01/
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I agree with J.T. just think $17 for the record today with 1-4 tracks then a CD tomorrow with 8 plus tracks will end up priced at $34 this absolutely squeezes out the small labels. I think the reason behind this is If and artist is hot today, there is no guarantee he/she will be hot tomorrow so they make as much money as they can today. But if we keep buying they will keep selling TS-1 -Original Message- From: J. T. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2004 1:53 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Re: () SIX NINE represses? what?? there's no reason for a gd repress to be $17. f that. i aint buying it. i'll wait to pick up a dozen other classics for the same money at a secondhand place. there's loads of other classics out there... i dont think there are many positive ramifications of pricing records this way. it is supply and demand yes, high price to make as much profit as possible because demand is not that great. those who want it want it bad enough to pay the retarded price. it's a kinda shady way to hype your product: it costs a lot -- it must be good! it's worth it! well maybe, but it's not worth 3 times the price of other new records, especially not for a repress. even from a collector standpoint..all glory is to the original pressing, traditionally represses arent worth much, they even devalue. you cant put a price on good music, but there is a standard price for records so... overall i think this trend stinks. leaves buyers with a smaller budget for other new records, gives these high-priced classics, new peacefrogs etc, somewhat undue priority with your wallet. nice marketing trick but makes the vinyl market even more exclusive, and harder for smaller labels to stay in the game. generally takes some joy out of buying new records. whatever. props to clone for repressing glass domain with a normal pricetag. its supply and demand. even @ $10 and up from US distros, all the distros were out within hours of getting them in. i know my demand for the record was well over $17 (what i paid for it from submerge) but well under what a used copy goes for on ebay. ill be happy to get the other 69 records for the same price as well. now carl needs to repress those retroactive records and a couple more early planet e joints to make me happy. tom andythepooh.com _ Limited-time offer: Fast, reliable MSN 9 Dial-up Internet access FREE for 2 months! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialuppgmarket=en-usST=1/go/onm00200361ave/ direct/01/ The contents of this e-mail are intended for the named addressee only. It contains information that may be confidential. Unless you are the named addressee or an authorized designee, you may not copy or use it, or disclose it to anyone else. If you received it in error please notify us immediately and then destroy it.
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Maybe this is some kind of ploy to cash in on the ebay resale market. If you don't flood the market with a bunch of represses then most people will still be looking to ebay for the think in a couple of months or so. Seems like undue stress on the consumer who just wants to hear the music on vinyl and not just worship it's rarity. Scott -Original Message- From: Steward, Tim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2004 2:01 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Re: () SIX NINE represses? I agree with J.T. just think $17 for the record today with 1-4 tracks then a CD tomorrow with 8 plus tracks will end up priced at $34 this absolutely squeezes out the small labels. I think the reason behind this is If and artist is hot today, there is no guarantee he/she will be hot tomorrow so they make as much money as they can today. But if we keep buying they will keep selling TS-1 -Original Message- From: J. T. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2004 1:53 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Re: () SIX NINE represses? what?? there's no reason for a gd repress to be $17. f that. i aint buying it. i'll wait to pick up a dozen other classics for the same money at a secondhand place. there's loads of other classics out there... i dont think there are many positive ramifications of pricing records this way. it is supply and demand yes, high price to make as much profit as possible because demand is not that great. those who want it want it bad enough to pay the retarded price. it's a kinda shady way to hype your product: it costs a lot -- it must be good! it's worth it! well maybe, but it's not worth 3 times the price of other new records, especially not for a repress. even from a collector standpoint..all glory is to the original pressing, traditionally represses arent worth much, they even devalue. you cant put a price on good music, but there is a standard price for records so... overall i think this trend stinks. leaves buyers with a smaller budget for other new records, gives these high-priced classics, new peacefrogs etc, somewhat undue priority with your wallet. nice marketing trick but makes the vinyl market even more exclusive, and harder for smaller labels to stay in the game. generally takes some joy out of buying new records. whatever. props to clone for repressing glass domain with a normal pricetag. its supply and demand. even @ $10 and up from US distros, all the distros were out within hours of getting them in. i know my demand for the record was well over $17 (what i paid for it from submerge) but well under what a used copy goes for on ebay. ill be happy to get the other 69 records for the same price as well. now carl needs to repress those retroactive records and a couple more early planet e joints to make me happy. tom andythepooh.com _ Limited-time offer: Fast, reliable MSN 9 Dial-up Internet access FREE for 2 months! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialuppgmarket=en-usST=1/go/onm00200361ave/ direct/01/ The contents of this e-mail are intended for the named addressee only. It contains information that may be confidential. Unless you are the named addressee or an authorized designee, you may not copy or use it, or disclose it to anyone else. If you received it in error please notify us immediately and then destroy it.
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-- Original Message -- From: J. T. [EMAIL PROTECTED] what?? there's no reason for a gd repress to be $17. f that. i aint buying it. i'll wait to pick up a dozen other classics for the same money at a secondhand place. but will you get this record? its certainly not easy to come by used for nothing. im sure some people will have their stories, but in a smaller city like pittsburgh, theres pretty much zero chance of me coming up with that record. there's loads of other classics out there... i dont think there are many positive ramifications of pricing records this way. it is supply and demand yes, high price to make as much profit as possible because demand is not that great. demand IS that great though! like i said=, all the distros with it that ive seen (unique, watts, and 161) were out of it within hours of having it in. and that was at a price of $10 wholesale! those who want it want it bad enough to pay the retarded price. it's a kinda shady way to hype your product: it costs a lot -- it must be good! it's worth it! well maybe, but it's not worth 3 times the price of other new records when the only other way to get it is through ebay, its worth that by far. and i dont think this record needed any more hype than it already has from being an excellent record. especially not for a repress. even from a collector standpoint..all glory is to the original pressing, traditionally represses arent worth much, they even devalue. im not worried about my records being worth anything. i just want good music on vinyl. and if you think about it, paying ebay prices for this 12 not only hits my wallet hard as hell, restricting my purchasing of other new records, but it also gives no more money to the artist. this way im getting a record i want for cheaper than it is avaliable, and at the same time im giving money to the label and artist who deserve it instead of some bozo on ebay. whats the problem here? also, AFAIK theres no difference between the repress and the original. in 20 years, no one will know or even remember which one is which. you cant put a price on good music, but there is a standard price for records so... overall i think this trend stinks. leaves buyers with a smaller budget for other new records, gives these high-priced classics, new peacefrogs etc, somewhat undue priority with your wallet. the peacefrog joints are a whole other story. those are tunes with no prior track record. i think that practice is a little weak, really. i havent paid for one of their private presses yet. but im much more willing to pay for records that i know and want that are hard to get ahold of. their rarity and goodness is established, not created. nice marketing trick but makes the vinyl market even more exclusive, and harder for smaller labels to stay in the game. generally takes some joy out of buying new records. it hasnt taken one tiny bit of joy out of me finally being able to own 4 jazz funk classics. if nothing else, im extremely excited. if pressing small numbers and charging high prices will convince people to repress hard to find classics, im ALL FOR IT. if carl repressed each of the retroactive records at that price, id buy each and every one of them. whatever. props to clone for repressing glass domain with a normal pricetag. its cool when people do it some other way, but ill take the records i want how i can get them, as long as it isnt for hundreds of dollars on ebay. tom andythepooh.com
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-- Original Message -- From: Scott K Ellis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Maybe this is some kind of ploy to cash in on the ebay resale market. If you don't flood the market with a bunch of represses then most people will still be looking to ebay for the think in a couple of months or so. Seems like undue stress on the consumer who just wants to hear the music on vinyl and not just worship it's rarity. i think its funny that this is an absolute classic record, yet the price is half that of the unknown tunes on peacefrog private presses, and people are still complaining. it makes no sense. if you want this record, $17 seems like nothing compared to its second hand price. i mean no one is making anyone buy the record, but $17 later i have a record i really want for a reasonable price. tom andythepooh.com
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but will you get this record? its certainly not easy to come by used for nothing. im sure some people will have their stories, but in a smaller city like pittsburgh, theres pretty much zero chance of me coming up with that record. who cares. i'll get a dozen other records that are equally good. i'm a music lover not a collector..in most cases.. . demand IS that great though! like i said=, all the distros with it that ive seen (unique, watts, and 161) were out of it within hours of having it in. and that was at a price of $10 wholesale! well we'll see how well the stores can actually sell it. none of the people i was with at recordtime looked twice at it. too much other good chit to buy for 1/3 the price when the only other way to get it is through ebay, its worth that by far. and i dont think this record needed any more hype than it already has from being an excellent record. fart also, AFAIK theres no difference between the repress and the original. in 20 years, no one will know or even remember which one is which. thats a completely false assertion. thats what record collecting is all about. my dad's been selling rare records for 40 yearsand i've been selling stuff on ebay for quite awhile. music lovers dont care about pressings etc, but this chit isnt priced for music lovers. but it will be soon enough...in 20 years it will be very easy to remember which pressing is which because the original will cost a fortune and the repress will be affordable...as it should be now. the peacefrog joints are a whole other story. those are tunes with no prior track record. i think that practice is a little weak, but the artist roster has plenty of draw. it's really not so different. just sought after artists instead of sought after tracks.. much more willing to pay for records that i know and want that are hard to get ahold of. their rarity and goodness is established, not created. a repress is not rare and does not deserve that price, the end. you dont press a rare record, it becomes rare over time. the rarity of the original record is established. the inflated cost of a repress is just trying to quickly take advantage of the demand for the original. it's a cheap trick. guarantee you the repress will be worth less than current wholesale price in 5 years. you're missing the point entirely. just because you can price something high and still sell it ok doesnt mean you are justified in doing so (by anything other than overzealous capitalism). clone could have priced their glass domain rerelease similarily, but didnt. because they are not trying to overcapitalize. your willingness to pay exorbitant prices does not excuse the jacked up pricetag...it makes you a sucker... it hasnt taken one tiny bit of joy out of me finally being able to own 4 jazz funk classics. if nothing else, im extremely excited. you got the collector itch in you, or a thick wallet -- i hope a thick wallet so you're still buying other stuff if pressing small numbers and charging high prices will convince people to repress hard to find classics, im ALL FOR IT. if carl cool, you're the one they're selling to then.. repressed each of the retroactive records at that price, id buy each and every one of them. really? i sure wouldnt. they're not all great, some sound very dated now. but following this new pricing strategy down the line, why not just repress 100 copies of the retroactive stuff and sell them for $100 each. make $10k off 100 records, yea! can you still not see why that sucks? from a music lover's pov, it sucksfor the collectors, for the stores it's great...i pretty much make my living selling stuff to compulsive collectors, but i am not about to become one, i cant afford it... _ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar get it now! http://toolbar.msn.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/
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-- Original Message -- From: J. T. [EMAIL PROTECTED] who cares. i'll get a dozen other records that are equally good. i'm a music lover not a collector..in most cases.. so you dont like the record because its not good? i dont understand. if you were actually a music lover, i think youd be happy to finally get your hands on a good record that otherwise you wouldnt pay crazy loot for. well we'll see how well the stores can actually sell it. none of the people i was with at recordtime looked twice at it. too much other good chit to buy for 1/3 the price stores arent smoking crack for the most part. they dont order things they think they wont be able to sell. fart excellent argument. thats a completely false assertion. thats what record collecting is all about. my dad's been selling rare records for 40 yearsand i've been selling stuff on ebay for quite awhile. music lovers dont care about pressings etc, but this chit isnt priced for music lovers. but it will be soon enough...in 20 years it will be very easy to remember which pressing is which because the original will cost a fortune and the repress will be affordable...as it should be now. the repress is exactly identical to the original. how will they determine which it is? carbon dating a sample from the vinyl? but the artist roster has plenty of draw. it's really not so different. just sought after artists instead of sought after tracks.. this is my point though. it would be bad if big name artists just started selling their records for more because they are who they are. putting a premium price on an established anthem is altogether different. a repress is not rare and does not deserve that price, the end. you dont press a rare record, it becomes rare over time. the rarity of the original record is established. the inflated cost of a repress is just trying to quickly take advantage of the demand for the original. it's a cheap trick. guarantee you the repress will be worth less than current wholesale price in 5 years. ill bet you a ton of money on that. look at shades of jae by moodymann. that record has been repressed, even as recently as 5 years ago. it still goes for pretty good money on ebay, no matter which version youre bidding on. it might not go for as much as other non-repressed KDJs but its still worth way more than what anyopne paid for the represses. you're missing the point entirely. just because you can price something high and still sell it ok doesnt mean you are justified in doing so (by anything other than overzealous capitalism). clone could have priced their glass domain rerelease similarily, but didnt. because they are not trying to overcapitalize. your willingness to pay exorbitant prices does not excuse the jacked up pricetag...it makes you a sucker... im the sucker because i have a record i want? how does that make sense? IMO youre a sucker if you pass up a chance to buy a great record because of a $10 price increase. dont go out to eat one night. dont buy a couple drinks next time youre at the club watching deejays spin. $10 isnt $100, there are so many ways that money can be spent that is much more worthless than getting a great record. ill play this 12 way more than 17 times in my life. even at $1 per play it would be well worth it. you got the collector itch in you, or a thick wallet -- i hope a thick wallet so you're still buying other stuff i buy plenty of other stuff. i wouldnt call my wallet thick though, i just buy the things i want. just like i wouldnt pay anything for a filler record, ill pay money for a great record. cool, you're the one they're selling to then.. and every single other person who didnt have one and just picked one up for a reasonable non-ebay price. brand new, in fact. really? i sure wouldnt. they're not all great, some sound very dated now. good mentality. music cant stay good if it sounds dated? thats especially funny coming from you, considering the type of music you like to make. but following this new pricing strategy down the line, why not just repress 100 copies of the retroactive stuff and sell them for $100 each. make $10k off 100 records, yea! can you still not see why that sucks? from a music lover's pov, it sucks $100 does suck, youre right. $17 OTOH doesnt at all. for the collectors, for the stores it's great...i pretty much make my living selling stuff to compulsive collectors, but i am not about to become one, i cant afford it... i know, that extra $10 on one record might kill you. youll be eating ramen for years. please. im a student who barely works, and i spend my record money very wisely. which is exactly why i bought this record, since ill never in my life see it any cheaper. tom andythepooh.com
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Somebody mentioned Hotgrooves has them for under $10, last one there is a rotten egg. On Wednesday, April 14, 2004, at 02:22PM, Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- Original Message -- From: J. T. [EMAIL PROTECTED] who cares. i'll get a dozen other records that are equally good. i'm a music lover not a collector..in most cases.. so you dont like the record because its not good? i dont understand. if you were actually a music lover, i think youd be happy to finally get your hands on a good record that otherwise you wouldnt pay crazy loot for. well we'll see how well the stores can actually sell it. none of the people i was with at recordtime looked twice at it. too much other good chit to buy for 1/3 the price stores arent smoking crack for the most part. they dont order things they think they wont be able to sell. fart excellent argument. thats a completely false assertion. thats what record collecting is all about. my dad's been selling rare records for 40 yearsand i've been selling stuff on ebay for quite awhile. music lovers dont care about pressings etc, but this chit isnt priced for music lovers. but it will be soon enough...in 20 years it will be very easy to remember which pressing is which because the original will cost a fortune and the repress will be affordable...as it should be now. the repress is exactly identical to the original. how will they determine which it is? carbon dating a sample from the vinyl? but the artist roster has plenty of draw. it's really not so different. just sought after artists instead of sought after tracks.. this is my point though. it would be bad if big name artists just started selling their records for more because they are who they are. putting a premium price on an established anthem is altogether different. a repress is not rare and does not deserve that price, the end. you dont press a rare record, it becomes rare over time. the rarity of the original record is established. the inflated cost of a repress is just trying to quickly take advantage of the demand for the original. it's a cheap trick. guarantee you the repress will be worth less than current wholesale price in 5 years. ill bet you a ton of money on that. look at shades of jae by moodymann. that record has been repressed, even as recently as 5 years ago. it still goes for pretty good money on ebay, no matter which version youre bidding on. it might not go for as much as other non-repressed KDJs but its still worth way more than what anyopne paid for the represses. you're missing the point entirely. just because you can price something high and still sell it ok doesnt mean you are justified in doing so (by anything other than overzealous capitalism). clone could have priced their glass domain rerelease similarily, but didnt. because they are not trying to overcapitalize. your willingness to pay exorbitant prices does not excuse the jacked up pricetag...it makes you a sucker... im the sucker because i have a record i want? how does that make sense? IMO youre a sucker if you pass up a chance to buy a great record because of a $10 price increase. dont go out to eat one night. dont buy a couple drinks next time youre at the club watching deejays spin. $10 isnt $100, there are so many ways that money can be spent that is much more worthless than getting a great record. ill play this 12 way more than 17 times in my life. even at $1 per play it would be well worth it. you got the collector itch in you, or a thick wallet -- i hope a thick wallet so you're still buying other stuff i buy plenty of other stuff. i wouldnt call my wallet thick though, i just buy the things i want. just like i wouldnt pay anything for a filler record, ill pay money for a great record. cool, you're the one they're selling to then.. and every single other person who didnt have one and just picked one up for a reasonable non-ebay price. brand new, in fact. really? i sure wouldnt. they're not all great, some sound very dated now. good mentality. music cant stay good if it sounds dated? thats especially funny coming from you, considering the type of music you like to make. but following this new pricing strategy down the line, why not just repress 100 copies of the retroactive stuff and sell them for $100 each. make $10k off 100 records, yea! can you still not see why that sucks? from a music lover's pov, it sucks $100 does suck, youre right. $17 OTOH doesnt at all. for the collectors, for the stores it's great...i pretty much make my living selling stuff to compulsive collectors, but i am not about to become one, i cant afford it... i know, that extra $10 on one record might kill you. youll be eating ramen for years. please. im a student who barely works, and i spend my record money very wisely. which is exactly why i bought this record, since ill never
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-- Original Message -- From: jason kenjar [EMAIL PROTECTED] Somebody mentioned Hotgrooves has them for under $10, last one there is a rotten egg. they must be losing money on them if theyre selling for that price. like i said all the distros are selling them for $9.79-$10- 79 or so. tom andythepooh.com
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so you dont like the record because its not good? i dont understand. if you were actually a music lover, i think youd be happy to finally get your hands on a good record that otherwise you wouldnt pay crazy loot for. i'm not a music lover. i was just playing. music is for the birds tweet tweet who said i didnt like the record? i just dont like the price. i've got better things to spend my money on, like, new stuff thats priced normally. i dont even buy old records for high prices, i find them cheap or i dont have them. there is too much great music out there that can be found cheap. stores arent smoking crack for the most part. they dont order things they think they wont be able to sell. i'd be interested in hearing back from somebody in detroit whether those 69's on the wall at recordtime sell or not. they didnt order many tho. excellent argument. i respond to hot air with hot air the repress is exactly identical to the original. how will they determine which it is? carbon dating a sample from the vinyl? yes wiseass you have to carbon date the vinyl. or look at the runout/label/sleeve. something about it will be different. if its truly identical, than the high price is even more shady -- based on the rarity of the original, which it has suddenly become itself, but widely available.. this is my point though. it would be bad if big name artists just started selling their records for more because they are who they are. putting a premium price on an established anthem is altogether different. which is the established anthem on 4 jazz funk? my machines? anthem? i dont think thats quite the right word somehow..more like sought-after techno collector stuff...hence the pricetag...and is this not just because it's carl craig? elite techno stuff? all that old trax stuff was wa bigger than this...and i think farley trumps craig as far as big names...and those represses were cheap.. anthems dont tend to have an inflated pricetag throw is 1000 times the anthem of anything on 4 jazz funk, but is priced normally. the price of the 69 is to take advantage of collectors. you can argue all you want, yes it's a great record to own, but you got played. of course it's no problem to you if it was worth (personally) what you paid for it. but in the larger context of the record business, it sucks and is a jack move..and its not normally how represses are handled. usually they are aimed at giving rare music a renewed availability and accessibility. the repress is cheap, the original stays valuable and rare and even more sought after...but the pricetage on this is jumping the gun. it's essentially calling a record rare even as it's hot off the presses and available everywhere, totally a marketing ploy. it's the record industry collapsing on itself, not looking for new listeners but to instead take existing customers (collectors especially) for all it can...while it can. because soon people will be aware that this record is not so hard to find anymore. there will be copies sitting in stores, the urgency will wear off. the collector demand will evaporate. it's a a gaaame, and i do not like these games ill bet you a ton of money on that. look at shades of jae by moodymann. that record has been repressed, even as recently as 5 what its worth and what people will pay for it are seperate things sometimes. i've sold records which arent worth a pile of beans for a decent little chunk on eBay. the record collecting business is very similar to comic book collecting. price trends are extreme, and shortlived. what might be worth $50 this year, in five years could be worth $5. or you might just find it for $1 in some secondhand store somewhere. some people only look to eBay...italo is crazy on there too. dirt cheap if you actually look for it. like, give a wantlist to somebody you know in nyc or chicago... im the sucker because i have a record i want? how does that make sense? IMO youre a sucker if you pass up a chance to buy a great it doesnt make sense, but you asked not me. you're asking yourself questions that dont make sense, which really doesnt make sense. it didnt make sense to pay $17 for 4 jazz funk when we could (and did) spend less money on a couple fragile represses, an original copy of voice of q, and classic old dancemania chit. we got an entire dj set of classics for less than $17. we probably would have bought 4 jazz funk if it was priced normally. if we were eagerly after it, maybe we would have paid the $17. and be happy to have it. but it still doesnt justify the pricing. considering what we could spend our money on instead, it made a whole lot more sense to just hope to run into a cheaper copy some other time record because of a $10 price increase. dont go out to eat one night. dont buy a couple drinks next time youre at the club watching deejays spin. $10 isnt $100, there are so many ways that money can be spent that is much
