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I love the White Noise stuff. Anyone else? Kw On Sep 11, 2008, at 10:15 AM, Carlos De Brito wrote: Delia Derbyshire, way before traktor and four wheels of steel: http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=NDX_CS3NsTk Interesting little video: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6n4cy_richie-hawtin-traktor-setup_music m -- Pt! Schon das coole Video vom GMX MultiMessenger gesehen? Der Eine für Alle: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/messenger03
Re: RE: (313) Richie Hawtin's Traktor setup
Delia Derbyshire, way before traktor and four wheels of steel: http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=NDX_CS3NsTk Interesting little video: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6n4cy_richie-hawtin-traktor-setup_music m -- Pt! Schon das coole Video vom GMX MultiMessenger gesehen? Der Eine für Alle: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/messenger03
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Kraftwerk have played in Kingston?!? Pow. [Perhaps you mean Kingston-upon-Hull Martin] -Original Message- From: Kowalsky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 6:16 PM To: [313] Subject: Re: (313) Richie Hawtin's Traktor setup Maybe i'm not being totally clear: they play their songs, in the same form they were once recorded, with minor changes here and there. They don't re-arrange the songs in a freeform knob twisting style. Their shows, in a tour, have a script they follow - what means that a show in paris will be almost the same as a show in kingston. They act more like a traditional band than like hawtin scrambling loops. On Sep 8, 2008, at 2:09 PM, Martin Dust wrote: On 8 Sep 2008, at 18:06, Kowalsky wrote: There's no big difference, except for Kraftwerk, don't you think? Not really, they've moved with the times just like all the people listed. m
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end of. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law -Original Message- From: Martin Dust [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 September 2008 22:00 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313 Subject: Re: (313) Richie Hawtin's Traktor setup [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 'Technolgystolemyvinyl' OK, lets tip the balance... Hitler is a M_nus fan! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNY85iAw4b4 m To view the terms under which this email is distributed, please go to http://disclaimer.leedsmet.ac.uk/email.htm
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beat me to it Kent Rav -Original Message- From: kent williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 September 2008 22:19 To: list 313 Subject: Re: (313) Richie Hawtin's Traktor setup Can we invoke Godwin's Law now and declare this thread finished? ;-) Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 09/08/2008 03:59:46 PM: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 'Technolgystolemyvinyl' OK, lets tip the balance... Hitler is a M_nus fan! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNY85iAw4b4 m To view the terms under which this email is distributed, please go to http://disclaimer.leedsmet.ac.uk/email.htm
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well it's funny because the longer i've been using ableton, the less i do, but i actually think it's better that way. i got my evolution controller stolen and i don't even think that's a problem, just forces me to show a little dexterity on the laptop from time to time and prove i'm not just checking email ... but mostly, i mean, i just want to play stuff that sounds good and not fiddle all the time. if it sounds great why get in the way--and i guess i feel the same whether it is mine or another producer's... i like ableton cus i can play all my unreleased stuff, drop stuff in quick and get it locked, but mostly i'm doing what you could do on vinyl, except i get to enjoy listening to the two tracks together instead of having to adjust one of the records the whole time. and generally, as time passes i seem to be using less and less effects... glad surgeon was brought up though, cus he inspired me to go this route, especially in terms of not twiddling too much, but always having some new track or remix or re-edit to play that just (hopefully) is sick, and just putting the right stuff together at the right moment. ~David
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Yeah, they played a technopop version of Chase The Devil and a dancehall version of Man Machine! :-D On Sep 9, 2008, at 3:27 AM, Odeluga, Ken wrote: Kraftwerk have played in Kingston?!? Pow. [Perhaps you mean Kingston-upon-Hull Martin] -Original Message- From: Kowalsky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 6:16 PM To: [313] Subject: Re: (313) Richie Hawtin's Traktor setup Maybe i'm not being totally clear: they play their songs, in the same form they were once recorded, with minor changes here and there. They don't re-arrange the songs in a freeform knob twisting style. Their shows, in a tour, have a script they follow - what means that a show in paris will be almost the same as a show in kingston. They act more like a traditional band than like hawtin scrambling loops. On Sep 8, 2008, at 2:09 PM, Martin Dust wrote: On 8 Sep 2008, at 18:06, Kowalsky wrote: There's no big difference, except for Kraftwerk, don't you think? Not really, they've moved with the times just like all the people listed. m
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It's an act of balancing, really. -- within this context, I don't think that things benefit from micro-loop sampling, or production decisions made with DJing in mind. DJ sets just don't seem to be the series of little trips that they used to be. maybe I'm just used to it all. - Original Message - From: Kowalsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [313] 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 9:55 PM Subject: Re: (313) Richie Hawtin's Traktor setup Certainly, there's a way out of this so called BS. Wich compulsive knob twister is doing something creative these days, in this list opinion? On Sep 7, 2008, at 10:28 PM, /0 wrote: its just that they've defeated the song structure through all of this micro-DJing BS. 30 seconds into the set, your journey is over. - Original Message - From: Kowalsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [313] 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 9:23 PM Subject: Re: (313) Richie Hawtin's Traktor setup Saw him playing in my city last wednesday. His set was pretty tasteless, flavourless. My impression was just like that: a bunch of loops scrambled over and over, with a crescendo to make the crowd scream from time to time. It seems that a lot of djs, or producers, are showing up in the stage the capabilities of digital blending, the knob thrill just for the sake of it. Well, techno always had a thing about the process, not focusing on a begining or an end, but this tasteless knob thrill usually turns into a kid play, something like i'm having fun playing with my lego blocks, aren't you?. Well, it's not really that fun just watch someone else playing lego, cause there's no space for you to get in – the expression of the music was suposed to do that, bring the people into the playing. Kw On Sep 5, 2008, at 10:13 AM, Odeluga, Ken wrote: Whilst admiring how clever he is - and I genuinely think Hawtin shows a profound intelligence about how he applies the new opportunities which these latest technologies offer - I found myself drifting. I think I can only take so much technological advancement at a time. Then I kind of withdraw, hoping to hear some actual music. Perhaps something which completes rather than loops over another loop or even four fragments looped at the same time. The day when these genuinely impressive techniques add up to something equally as genuinely impressive coming out of the speakers will be the day when many luddites just using one laptop [ha, I'm not even going to mention the pre-historic relics, like me, who use that black plastic stuff!) won't be allowed to DJ anymore due to being seen as a comedy act. Till then - and it could happen soon: perhaps 3 years? - I think there are few more gigs to come. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 12:39 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Richie Hawtin's Traktor setup Although i have different midi controllers it's the way i'm playing as well and exactly due to the same reasons. --- Interesting little video: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6n4cy_richie-hawtin-traktor-setup_musi c m
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On Sep 7, 2008, at 6:55 PM, Kowalsky wrote: Certainly, there's a way out of this so called BS. Wich compulsive knob twister is doing something creative these days, in this list opinion? Surgeon.
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On 8 Sep 2008, at 15:42, Garrett McGrath wrote: On Sep 7, 2008, at 6:55 PM, Kowalsky wrote: Certainly, there's a way out of this so called BS. Wich compulsive knob twister is doing something creative these days, in this list opinion? Surgeon. Rob Hall, Regis, Kraftwerk, Kero, James Ruskin, Claro, Andy Stott, Monospace etc etc... m
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Do you really think that Kraftwerk fits into this? Why? On Sep 8, 2008, at 1:29 PM, Martin Dust wrote: On 8 Sep 2008, at 15:42, Garrett McGrath wrote: On Sep 7, 2008, at 6:55 PM, Kowalsky wrote: Certainly, there's a way out of this so called BS. Wich compulsive knob twister is doing something creative these days, in this list opinion? Surgeon. Rob Hall, Regis, Kraftwerk, Kero, James Ruskin, Claro, Andy Stott, Monospace etc etc... m
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On 8 Sep 2008, at 17:40, Kowalsky wrote: Do you really think that Kraftwerk fits into this? Why? Laptops, Controllers, 3 Octave keyboard no different to what most people use. m
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I know that. But they're playing their own music, not just spinning loops/djing. Kw On Sep 8, 2008, at 1:42 PM, Martin Dust wrote: On 8 Sep 2008, at 17:40, Kowalsky wrote: Do you really think that Kraftwerk fits into this? Why? Laptops, Controllers, 3 Octave keyboard no different to what most people use. m
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On 8 Sep 2008, at 17:51, Kowalsky wrote: I know that. But they're playing their own music, not just spinning loops/djing. Most of the artist I listed play their own music or appear live as well as DJing - what's the difference when you boil it all down really? m
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There's no big difference, except for Kraftwerk, don't you think? On Sep 8, 2008, at 1:56 PM, Martin Dust wrote: On 8 Sep 2008, at 17:51, Kowalsky wrote: I know that. But they're playing their own music, not just spinning loops/djing. Most of the artist I listed play their own music or appear live as well as DJing - what's the difference when you boil it all down really? m
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On 8 Sep 2008, at 18:06, Kowalsky wrote: There's no big difference, except for Kraftwerk, don't you think? Not really, they've moved with the times just like all the people listed. m
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Maybe i'm not being totally clear: they play their songs, in the same form they were once recorded, with minor changes here and there. They don't re-arrange the songs in a freeform knob twisting style. Their shows, in a tour, have a script they follow – what means that a show in paris will be almost the same as a show in kingston. They act more like a traditional band than like hawtin scrambling loops. On Sep 8, 2008, at 2:09 PM, Martin Dust wrote: On 8 Sep 2008, at 18:06, Kowalsky wrote: There's no big difference, except for Kraftwerk, don't you think? Not really, they've moved with the times just like all the people listed. m
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On 8 Sep 2008, at 18:15, Kowalsky wrote: Maybe i'm not being totally clear: they play their songs, in the same form they were once recorded, with minor changes here and there. They don't re-arrange the songs in a freeform knob twisting style. Their shows, in a tour, have a script they follow – what means that a show in paris will be almost the same as a show in kingston. They act more like a traditional band than like hawtin scrambling loops. Sure but you're splitting hairs now :) m
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Sorry to intervene and probably get things totally wrong but I think K's point was not so much who's using laptops and controllers but who's doing something different with this gear in, say, the way apparently RH says he is in the vid (haven't had time to watch it, sorry). I.e. you watch or listen to them and think they're doing something subjectively / artistically pleasing that would have been difficult before that technology existed (so hard for a vinyl DJ or pre laptop band to do). From: Martin Dust [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 September 2008 18:23 On 8 Sep 2008, at 18:15, Kowalsky wrote: Maybe i'm not being totally clear: they play their songs, in the same form they were once recorded, with minor changes here and there. They don't re-arrange the songs in a freeform knob twisting style. Their shows, in a tour, have a script they follow - what means that a show in paris will be almost the same as a show in kingston. They act more like a traditional band than like hawtin scrambling loops. Sure but you're splitting hairs now :) m
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry to intervene and probably get things totally wrong but I think K's point was not so much who's using laptops and controllers but who's doing something different with this gear in, say, the way apparently RH says he is in the vid (haven't had time to watch it, sorry). I.e. you watch or listen to them and think they're doing something subjectively / artistically pleasing that would have been difficult before that technology existed (so hard for a vinyl DJ or pre laptop band to do). My point is you don't have to be doing something different for it to be great., use as little or a much as you need. Kraftwerk could not do what they do now without bringing the whole of the studio with them. All the arguements about this bore me to death, it like listening to the Muscian Union in the late 70's with their Keep Music Live campaign. The last people I expect to hear this arguement from is people into techno. m
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Kowalsky wrote: I agree with you. But what you're saying now has nothing to do with what i was asking in first place. OK, Let me reverse it and as you a question. which DJ do you know who can do what's possible with 4 decks in Trakor or Ableton? m
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Oh for goodness sake, if this argument bores you why are you trying so hard to have it? No one said it had to be different to be great. Doing things this way can be 100% fine. use as little or a much as you need yes, agreed. On Kraftwerk I thought they were their last live show was the best thing I've seen in years and I don't care that much how live it was. Right now, in this thread, you're not hearing the Musicians Union argument from anyone (though I admit it has come up on here). I don't see why who is using this exciting new technology in an interesting way, who's getting the most out of this gear is being viewed as something other than a positive topic and twisted into something else. I thought the Surgeon answer was probably a reasonable bet. From: Martin Dust [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 September 2008 19:35 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry to intervene and probably get things totally wrong but I think K's point was not so much who's using laptops and controllers but who's doing something different with this gear in, say, the way apparently RH says he is in the vid (haven't had time to watch it, sorry). I.e. you watch or listen to them and think they're doing something subjectively / artistically pleasing that would have been difficult before that technology existed (so hard for a vinyl DJ or pre laptop band to do). My point is you don't have to be doing something different for it to be great., use as little or a much as you need. Kraftwerk could not do what they do now without bringing the whole of the studio with them. All the arguements about this bore me to death, it like listening to the Muscian Union in the late 70's with their Keep Music Live campaign. The last people I expect to hear this arguement from is people into techno.
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Well, hawtin seems to do what's possible. But i didn't like, as i said previously. Sandrinho, a brazilian DJ/producer, does it quite well. And he uses a MPC on top of it. My question was: who does the loop frenzy twisting knobs-o-rama good? On Sep 8, 2008, at 4:06 PM, Martin Dust wrote: Kowalsky wrote: I agree with you. But what you're saying now has nothing to do with what i was asking in first place. OK, Let me reverse it and as you a question. which DJ do you know who can do what's possible with 4 decks in Trakor or Ableton? m
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BMG / Ectomorph. His DJ sets are more like on the fly mashups of Prince, Dan Bell, Carl Craig, P Funk, Laid Back, Kraftwerk and B-52s. 2 Many DJs wish they could hold a torch to what he does with Live with their sets.. but thankfully, everything's already sync'ed within Live. as for Traktor: I have been dabbling with the 4 decks thing but still using turntables for the first 2 tracks and then synching to their master pitch clocks. You can easily start up another deck or two using your other decks' pitch. Sometimes it works, other times not. As good as Traktor is, it's not always making razor-sharp 1/2/4/8-bar loops for you -- I wouldn't rely on it 100% of the time. But it does make DJing a lot more fun than just playing 90% of the song and fading in the ends. ;) +odd -- On Sep 8, 2008, at 3:23 PM, Kowalsky wrote: Well, hawtin seems to do what's possible. But i didn't like, as i said previously. Sandrinho, a brazilian DJ/producer, does it quite well. And he uses a MPC on top of it. My question was: who does the loop frenzy twisting knobs-o-rama good? On Sep 8, 2008, at 4:06 PM, Martin Dust wrote: Kowalsky wrote: I agree with you. But what you're saying now has nothing to do with what i was asking in first place. OK, Let me reverse it and as you a question. which DJ do you know who can do what's possible with 4 decks in Trakor or Ableton? m
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On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 12:23 PM, Kowalsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, hawtin seems to do what's possible. But i didn't like, as i said previously. Sandrinho, a brazilian DJ/producer, does it quite well. And he uses a MPC on top of it. My question was: who does the loop frenzy twisting knobs-o-rama good? monolake.
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Well put. I found that all of the tricks he showed in that video lack any sort of musicality at all. I'd have rather heard the tracks in their original format on 2 turntables or cd players, mixed well, rather than with the faux breakdowns. Chris -Original Message- From: Kowalsky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 9:24 PM To: [313] Subject: Re: (313) Richie Hawtin's Traktor setup Saw him playing in my city last wednesday. His set was pretty tasteless, flavourless. My impression was just like that: a bunch of loops scrambled over and over, with a crescendo to make the crowd scream from time to time. It seems that a lot of djs, or producers, are showing up in the stage the capabilities of digital blending, the knob thrill just for the sake of it. Well, techno always had a thing about the process, not focusing on a begining or an end, but this tasteless knob thrill usually turns into a kid play, something like i'm having fun playing with my lego blocks, aren't you?. Well, it's not really that fun just watch someone else playing lego, cause there's no space for you to get in - the expression of the music was suposed to do that, bring the people into the playing. Kw On Sep 5, 2008, at 10:13 AM, Odeluga, Ken wrote:
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh for goodness sake, if this argument bores you why are you trying so hard to have it? Get out of the wrong side of the bed did we? I don't see why who is using this exciting new technology in an interesting way, who's getting the most out of this gear is being viewed as something other than a positive topic and twisted into something else. I thought the Surgeon answer was probably a reasonable bet. And saying Surgeon proves the point, his art is in the programming not the way he mixes or what he uses - he twiddles every little.
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Kowalsky wrote: Well, hawtin seems to do what's possible. But i didn't like, as i said previously. Sandrinho, a brazilian DJ/producer, does it quite well. And he uses a MPC on top of it. My question was: who does the loop frenzy twisting knobs-o-rama good? Kero is one of mine favs, Tim Exile is another - mental stuff.
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That's a good analogy! I was never very into his sound, but he works in the same way of operations, looping beats and pieces, but he seems to achieve better results, be it in the matter of moods or ambiences. On Sep 8, 2008, at 4:32 PM, Wojtek wrote: On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 12:23 PM, Kowalsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, hawtin seems to do what's possible. But i didn't like, as i said previously. Sandrinho, a brazilian DJ/producer, does it quite well. And he uses a MPC on top of it. My question was: who does the loop frenzy twisting knobs-o-rama good? monolake.
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me :) My question was: who does the loop frenzy twisting knobs-o-rama good?
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Ronny Pries wrote: me :) Another one, but he also uses boxes has to be the fantastic Neil Landtrumm. http://www.bbc.co.uk/scotland/music/connect/2008/artist/neil_landstrumm/?video003#video m
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I see 2 many djs the same way i see girl talk. The worst thing is that they go to a more demagogic arena thrill. They emulate a rock show by cutting off the boring parts or the non-top charting tunes and filling the spaces with all the climax moments an arena rock show would have. On Sep 8, 2008, at 4:32 PM, Todd Sines wrote: BMG / Ectomorph. His DJ sets are more like on the fly mashups of Prince, Dan Bell, Carl Craig, P Funk, Laid Back, Kraftwerk and B-52s. 2 Many DJs wish they could hold a torch to what he does with Live with their sets.. but thankfully, everything's already sync'ed within Live. as for Traktor: I have been dabbling with the 4 decks thing but still using turntables for the first 2 tracks and then synching to their master pitch clocks. You can easily start up another deck or two using your other decks' pitch. Sometimes it works, other times not. As good as Traktor is, it's not always making razor-sharp 1/2/4/8- bar loops for you -- I wouldn't rely on it 100% of the time. But it does make DJing a lot more fun than just playing 90% of the song and fading in the ends. ;) +odd -- On Sep 8, 2008, at 3:23 PM, Kowalsky wrote: Well, hawtin seems to do what's possible. But i didn't like, as i said previously. Sandrinho, a brazilian DJ/producer, does it quite well. And he uses a MPC on top of it. My question was: who does the loop frenzy twisting knobs-o-rama good? On Sep 8, 2008, at 4:06 PM, Martin Dust wrote: Kowalsky wrote: I agree with you. But what you're saying now has nothing to do with what i was asking in first place. OK, Let me reverse it and as you a question. which DJ do you know who can do what's possible with 4 decks in Trakor or Ableton? m
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On Sep 8, 2008, at 12:35 PM, Martin Dust wrote: I don't see why who is using this exciting new technology in an interesting way, who's getting the most out of this gear is being viewed as something other than a positive topic and twisted into something else. I thought the Surgeon answer was probably a reasonable bet. And saying Surgeon proves the point, his art is in the programming not the way he mixes or what he uses - he twiddles very little. yeap. save for the fact that now he can play stuff that was probably previously impossible to match, he's really just playing tracks. his art is definitely the programming.
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And saying Surgeon proves the point, his art is in the programming not the way he mixes or what he uses - he twiddles very little. yeap. save for the fact that now he can play stuff that was probably previously impossible to match, he's really just playing tracks. his art is definitely the programming. Massive fan of his work and he's a top fella as well. I love the way he hardly moves and then just gives that little smile of his before he drops the next bomb. I wish he'd sort a new album out :) m
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'Technolgystolemyvinyl' On Tue, September 9, 2008 3:52 am, Martin Dust wrote: And saying Surgeon proves the point, his art is in the programming not the way he mixes or what he uses - he twiddles very little. yeap. save for the fact that now he can play stuff that was probably previously impossible to match, he's really just playing tracks. his art is definitely the programming. Massive fan of his work and he's a top fella as well. I love the way he hardly moves and then just gives that little smile of his before he drops the next bomb. I wish he'd sort a new album out :) m
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 'Technolgystolemyvinyl' OK, lets tip the balance... Hitler is a M_nus fan! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNY85iAw4b4 m
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Now I'm going to have to listen to techno all night at home. LOL MEK P.S. - what movie is this clip originally from? I've just seen so many versions of this I wouldn't mind seeing the original Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 09/08/2008 03:59:46 PM: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 'Technolgystolemyvinyl' OK, lets tip the balance... Hitler is a M_nus fan! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNY85iAw4b4 m
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Can we invoke Godwin's Law now and declare this thread finished? ;-) Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 09/08/2008 03:59:46 PM: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 'Technolgystolemyvinyl' OK, lets tip the balance... Hitler is a M_nus fan! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNY85iAw4b4 m
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It's from Downfall, a movie about the last days of Hittler in the bunker, and some related events. On Sep 8, 2008, at 6:14 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now I'm going to have to listen to techno all night at home. LOL MEK P.S. - what movie is this clip originally from? I've just seen so many versions of this I wouldn't mind seeing the original Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 09/08/2008 03:59:46 PM: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 'Technolgystolemyvinyl' OK, lets tip the balance... Hitler is a M_nus fan! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNY85iAw4b4 m
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i rest my case. On Sep 8, 2008, at 6:19 PM, kent williams wrote: Can we invoke Godwin's Law now and declare this thread finished? ;-) Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 09/08/2008 03:59:46 PM: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 'Technolgystolemyvinyl' OK, lets tip the balance... Hitler is a M_nus fan! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNY85iAw4b4 m
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On Sep 8, 2008, at 1:52 PM, Martin Dust wrote: And saying Surgeon proves the point, his art is in the programming not the way he mixes or what he uses - he twiddles very little. yeap. save for the fact that now he can play stuff that was probably previously impossible to match, he's really just playing tracks. his art is definitely the programming. Massive fan of his work and he's a top fella as well. I love the way he hardly moves and then just gives that little smile of his before he drops the next bomb. I wish he'd sort a new album out :) m i'd say this is a decent thread departure... ;)
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Saw him playing in my city last wednesday. His set was pretty tasteless, flavourless. My impression was just like that: a bunch of loops scrambled over and over, with a crescendo to make the crowd scream from time to time. It seems that a lot of djs, or producers, are showing up in the stage the capabilities of digital blending, the knob thrill just for the sake of it. Well, techno always had a thing about the process, not focusing on a begining or an end, but this tasteless knob thrill usually turns into a kid play, something like i'm having fun playing with my lego blocks, aren't you?. Well, it's not really that fun just watch someone else playing lego, cause there's no space for you to get in – the expression of the music was suposed to do that, bring the people into the playing. Kw On Sep 5, 2008, at 10:13 AM, Odeluga, Ken wrote: Whilst admiring how clever he is - and I genuinely think Hawtin shows a profound intelligence about how he applies the new opportunities which these latest technologies offer - I found myself drifting. I think I can only take so much technological advancement at a time. Then I kind of withdraw, hoping to hear some actual music. Perhaps something which completes rather than loops over another loop or even four fragments looped at the same time. The day when these genuinely impressive techniques add up to something equally as genuinely impressive coming out of the speakers will be the day when many luddites just using one laptop [ha, I'm not even going to mention the pre-historic relics, like me, who use that black plastic stuff!) won't be allowed to DJ anymore due to being seen as a comedy act. Till then - and it could happen soon: perhaps 3 years? - I think there are few more gigs to come. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 12:39 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Richie Hawtin's Traktor setup Although i have different midi controllers it's the way i'm playing as well and exactly due to the same reasons. --- Interesting little video: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6n4cy_richie-hawtin-traktor-setup_musi c m
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its just that they've defeated the song structure through all of this micro-DJing BS. 30 seconds into the set, your journey is over. - Original Message - From: Kowalsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [313] 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 9:23 PM Subject: Re: (313) Richie Hawtin's Traktor setup Saw him playing in my city last wednesday. His set was pretty tasteless, flavourless. My impression was just like that: a bunch of loops scrambled over and over, with a crescendo to make the crowd scream from time to time. It seems that a lot of djs, or producers, are showing up in the stage the capabilities of digital blending, the knob thrill just for the sake of it. Well, techno always had a thing about the process, not focusing on a begining or an end, but this tasteless knob thrill usually turns into a kid play, something like i'm having fun playing with my lego blocks, aren't you?. Well, it's not really that fun just watch someone else playing lego, cause there's no space for you to get in – the expression of the music was suposed to do that, bring the people into the playing. Kw On Sep 5, 2008, at 10:13 AM, Odeluga, Ken wrote: Whilst admiring how clever he is - and I genuinely think Hawtin shows a profound intelligence about how he applies the new opportunities which these latest technologies offer - I found myself drifting. I think I can only take so much technological advancement at a time. Then I kind of withdraw, hoping to hear some actual music. Perhaps something which completes rather than loops over another loop or even four fragments looped at the same time. The day when these genuinely impressive techniques add up to something equally as genuinely impressive coming out of the speakers will be the day when many luddites just using one laptop [ha, I'm not even going to mention the pre-historic relics, like me, who use that black plastic stuff!) won't be allowed to DJ anymore due to being seen as a comedy act. Till then - and it could happen soon: perhaps 3 years? - I think there are few more gigs to come. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 12:39 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Richie Hawtin's Traktor setup Although i have different midi controllers it's the way i'm playing as well and exactly due to the same reasons. --- Interesting little video: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6n4cy_richie-hawtin-traktor-setup_musi c m
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Certainly, there's a way out of this so called BS. Wich compulsive knob twister is doing something creative these days, in this list opinion? On Sep 7, 2008, at 10:28 PM, /0 wrote: its just that they've defeated the song structure through all of this micro-DJing BS. 30 seconds into the set, your journey is over. - Original Message - From: Kowalsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [313] 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 9:23 PM Subject: Re: (313) Richie Hawtin's Traktor setup Saw him playing in my city last wednesday. His set was pretty tasteless, flavourless. My impression was just like that: a bunch of loops scrambled over and over, with a crescendo to make the crowd scream from time to time. It seems that a lot of djs, or producers, are showing up in the stage the capabilities of digital blending, the knob thrill just for the sake of it. Well, techno always had a thing about the process, not focusing on a begining or an end, but this tasteless knob thrill usually turns into a kid play, something like i'm having fun playing with my lego blocks, aren't you?. Well, it's not really that fun just watch someone else playing lego, cause there's no space for you to get in – the expression of the music was suposed to do that, bring the people into the playing. Kw On Sep 5, 2008, at 10:13 AM, Odeluga, Ken wrote: Whilst admiring how clever he is - and I genuinely think Hawtin shows a profound intelligence about how he applies the new opportunities which these latest technologies offer - I found myself drifting. I think I can only take so much technological advancement at a time. Then I kind of withdraw, hoping to hear some actual music. Perhaps something which completes rather than loops over another loop or even four fragments looped at the same time. The day when these genuinely impressive techniques add up to something equally as genuinely impressive coming out of the speakers will be the day when many luddites just using one laptop [ha, I'm not even going to mention the pre-historic relics, like me, who use that black plastic stuff!) won't be allowed to DJ anymore due to being seen as a comedy act. Till then - and it could happen soon: perhaps 3 years? - I think there are few more gigs to come. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 12:39 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Richie Hawtin's Traktor setup Although i have different midi controllers it's the way i'm playing as well and exactly due to the same reasons. --- Interesting little video: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6n4cy_richie-hawtin-traktor-setup_musi c m
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within this context, I don't think that things benefit from micro-loop sampling, or production decisions made with DJing in mind. DJ sets just don't seem to be the series of little trips that they used to be. maybe I'm just used to it all. - Original Message - From: Kowalsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [313] 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 9:55 PM Subject: Re: (313) Richie Hawtin's Traktor setup Certainly, there's a way out of this so called BS. Wich compulsive knob twister is doing something creative these days, in this list opinion? On Sep 7, 2008, at 10:28 PM, /0 wrote: its just that they've defeated the song structure through all of this micro-DJing BS. 30 seconds into the set, your journey is over. - Original Message - From: Kowalsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [313] 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 9:23 PM Subject: Re: (313) Richie Hawtin's Traktor setup Saw him playing in my city last wednesday. His set was pretty tasteless, flavourless. My impression was just like that: a bunch of loops scrambled over and over, with a crescendo to make the crowd scream from time to time. It seems that a lot of djs, or producers, are showing up in the stage the capabilities of digital blending, the knob thrill just for the sake of it. Well, techno always had a thing about the process, not focusing on a begining or an end, but this tasteless knob thrill usually turns into a kid play, something like i'm having fun playing with my lego blocks, aren't you?. Well, it's not really that fun just watch someone else playing lego, cause there's no space for you to get in – the expression of the music was suposed to do that, bring the people into the playing. Kw On Sep 5, 2008, at 10:13 AM, Odeluga, Ken wrote: Whilst admiring how clever he is - and I genuinely think Hawtin shows a profound intelligence about how he applies the new opportunities which these latest technologies offer - I found myself drifting. I think I can only take so much technological advancement at a time. Then I kind of withdraw, hoping to hear some actual music. Perhaps something which completes rather than loops over another loop or even four fragments looped at the same time. The day when these genuinely impressive techniques add up to something equally as genuinely impressive coming out of the speakers will be the day when many luddites just using one laptop [ha, I'm not even going to mention the pre-historic relics, like me, who use that black plastic stuff!) won't be allowed to DJ anymore due to being seen as a comedy act. Till then - and it could happen soon: perhaps 3 years? - I think there are few more gigs to come. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 12:39 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Richie Hawtin's Traktor setup Although i have different midi controllers it's the way i'm playing as well and exactly due to the same reasons. --- Interesting little video: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6n4cy_richie-hawtin-traktor-setup_musi c m
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The mixture of traditional djing and the producer activities points to the future, i think. But in one hand we have the hysterical girl talk thing, in the other the hospital food richie's stuff. I wanna find a compulsive knob twister doing this thing good. There's a lot of baile funk players here, in brazil, doing nice stuff with laptops, midi, mpc and traditional tunes inside an act. Kw On Sep 7, 2008, at 11:09 PM, /0 wrote: within this context, I don't think that things benefit from micro- loop sampling, or production decisions made with DJing in mind. DJ sets just don't seem to be the series of little trips that they used to be. maybe I'm just used to it all. - Original Message - From: Kowalsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [313] 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 9:55 PM Subject: Re: (313) Richie Hawtin's Traktor setup Certainly, there's a way out of this so called BS. Wich compulsive knob twister is doing something creative these days, in this list opinion? On Sep 7, 2008, at 10:28 PM, /0 wrote: its just that they've defeated the song structure through all of this micro-DJing BS. 30 seconds into the set, your journey is over. - Original Message - From: Kowalsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [313] 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 9:23 PM Subject: Re: (313) Richie Hawtin's Traktor setup Saw him playing in my city last wednesday. His set was pretty tasteless, flavourless. My impression was just like that: a bunch of loops scrambled over and over, with a crescendo to make the crowd scream from time to time. It seems that a lot of djs, or producers, are showing up in the stage the capabilities of digital blending, the knob thrill just for the sake of it. Well, techno always had a thing about the process, not focusing on a begining or an end, but this tasteless knob thrill usually turns into a kid play, something like i'm having fun playing with my lego blocks, aren't you?. Well, it's not really that fun just watch someone else playing lego, cause there's no space for you to get in – the expression of the music was suposed to do that, bring the people into the playing. Kw On Sep 5, 2008, at 10:13 AM, Odeluga, Ken wrote: Whilst admiring how clever he is - and I genuinely think Hawtin shows a profound intelligence about how he applies the new opportunities which these latest technologies offer - I found myself drifting. I think I can only take so much technological advancement at a time. Then I kind of withdraw, hoping to hear some actual music. Perhaps something which completes rather than loops over another loop or even four fragments looped at the same time. The day when these genuinely impressive techniques add up to something equally as genuinely impressive coming out of the speakers will be the day when many luddites just using one laptop [ha, I'm not even going to mention the pre-historic relics, like me, who use that black plastic stuff!) won't be allowed to DJ anymore due to being seen as a comedy act. Till then - and it could happen soon: perhaps 3 years? - I think there are few more gigs to come. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 12:39 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Richie Hawtin's Traktor setup Although i have different midi controllers it's the way i'm playing as well and exactly due to the same reasons. --- Interesting little video: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6n4cy_richie-hawtin-traktor-setup_musi c m
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since I'm not familiar with his DJ setup, do you mean to say that you're following his lead in this respect? Not at all, what I meant was after watching Claude work 3 decks and 2 CDs I knew how high the bar had been set and knew that I'd never reach that point, so I went for the laptop. I can mix on decks and beatmatch, my problem with decks is programming - I always seem to just play the stuff I want or haven't heard for a while, not sure how that would work for a crowd. m
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Ronny Pries wrote: yes, it's definitly not rocket science nor anything special at all. I don't think anyone said it was Ronny, just interesting. .
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I think there is a misunderstanding here. The video is great BUT afaik there are lots of people, including myself, who are using Traktor in exactly the same way. I guess people who never dared to actually look at Traktor closely will have a number of aha moments when watching that but then again the tools in Traktor have been made to be used in that way imho. Traktor rules. I wish i could afford those darn XONE controllers :/ Ronny Pries wrote: yes, it's definitly not rocket science nor anything special at all. I don't think anyone said it was Ronny, just interesting. .
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Ronny Pries wrote: I think there is a misunderstanding here. The video is great BUT afaik there are lots of people, including myself, who are using Traktor in exactly the same way. I guess people who never dared to actually look at Traktor closely will have a number of aha moments when watching that but then again the tools in Traktor have been made to be used in that way imho. Sure but you have to accept that the video isn't aimed at you/me and as ever we on the list are not everyone if you know what I mean :) Traktor rules. I wish i could afford those darn XONE controllers :/ I don't like them at all, way too big but I use Ableton with nine channels across 2 or 3 machines so they wouldn't be much use and I've yet to see one in a club and I wouldn't fancy packing one in my bag :) I've just moved to a Bitstream 3X, which is a fine piece of kit. m
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Yeah, right. Sure but you have to accept that the video isn't aimed at you/me and as ever we on the list are not everyone if you know what I mean :) Bitstream 3x WANT :) I'm currently juggling with an Axiom61, a BCF2000 and an additional 3 oct keyboard by evolution. Not travelfriendly at all... I don't like them at all, way too big but I use Ableton with nine channels across 2 or 3 machines so they wouldn't be much use and I've yet to see one in a club and I wouldn't fancy packing one in my bag :) I've just moved to a Bitstream 3X, which is a fine piece of kit. m
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Bitstream 3x WANT :) I'm currently juggling with an Axiom61, a BCF2000 and an additional 3 oct keyboard by evolution. Not travelfriendly at all... You can get them for $300 but only from the USA at the moment, there's none in Europe and everyone that has them on their sites has no stock, I phoned over 30 shops before one of them told me the truth that there's no distribution and no one will be getting stock in the near future - makes you wonder why they are on loads of sites to actually buy! I really hate that. I can't recommend it enough and just under 3KG, goes in the Magma Studio bag with ease. We have to make sure our bags are just 10KG or we get hit with extra charges all the time. I love the look on Ryanair staff when it clocks in under. m
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right rite. I got to see claude do his different world thing and he blew it up. but thats because he took it up down left right and anywhere inbetween. so i had much respect for him and what he does. I just cant stand the boring flatline style of playing music out is all. timecode records or not. On Sun, September 7, 2008 2:05 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm assuming you meant Richie and not Claude here, right? m At 07:35 2008.09.05, you wrote: I don't know why I get so bothered by this. To quote my dear friend Curt Jackson, you have all the music the entire world has to offer at your fingertips, and this is what you play? Just so boring. A On Fri, September 5, 2008 12:06 pm, Martin Dust wrote: On 5 Sep 2008, at 17:02, kent williams wrote: Watching Claude work records, trigger loops, and joke around with people around him at same time, will make you want to hang it up altogether ;-) It pretty much did :) m
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Although i have different midi controllers it's the way i'm playing as well and exactly due to the same reasons. --- Interesting little video: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6n4cy_richie-hawtin-traktor-setup_music m
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Whilst admiring how clever he is - and I genuinely think Hawtin shows a profound intelligence about how he applies the new opportunities which these latest technologies offer - I found myself drifting. I think I can only take so much technological advancement at a time. Then I kind of withdraw, hoping to hear some actual music. Perhaps something which completes rather than loops over another loop or even four fragments looped at the same time. The day when these genuinely impressive techniques add up to something equally as genuinely impressive coming out of the speakers will be the day when many luddites just using one laptop [ha, I'm not even going to mention the pre-historic relics, like me, who use that black plastic stuff!) won't be allowed to DJ anymore due to being seen as a comedy act. Till then - and it could happen soon: perhaps 3 years? - I think there are few more gigs to come. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 12:39 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Richie Hawtin's Traktor setup Although i have different midi controllers it's the way i'm playing as well and exactly due to the same reasons. --- Interesting little video: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6n4cy_richie-hawtin-traktor-setup_musi c m
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Lol! Didn't spot that, but it's true innit! :) It's like, 'give 'em yer geeh-thar solo buba'! As ever, Hawtin is great value as a whipping boy. But as ever, I can't help but secretly admire the man. I mean he's fg excellent at what he does and he also makes some excellent music too - often, not always. I acknowledge how my sometimes faux, sometimes real criticisms, are rooted in a degreee of jealousy, for sure! -Original Message- From: Martin Dust [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 2:32 PM To: Odeluga, Ken Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Richie Hawtin's Traktor setup On 5 Sep 2008, at 14:13, Odeluga, Ken wrote: Whilst admiring how clever he is - and I genuinely think Hawtin shows a profound intelligence about how he applies the new opportunities which these latest technologies offer - I found myself drifting. I think I can only take so much technological advancement at a time. Then I kind of withdraw, hoping to hear some actual music. Perhaps something which completes rather than loops over another loop or even four fragments looped at the same time. He's talking about the use of the kit more than making tracks, I think it's cool to show people how you work but it is a tad geeky :) Not ground breaking but it will help people. The day when these genuinely impressive techniques add up to something equally as genuinely impressive coming out of the speakers will be the day when many luddites just using one laptop [ha, I'm not even going to mention the pre-historic relics, like me, who use that black plastic stuff!) won't be allowed to DJ anymore due to being seen as a comedy act. Room for all I reckon but we did laugh at the need to entertain in the video - what a tragic rockism. m
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On 5 Sep 2008, at 14:13, Odeluga, Ken wrote: Whilst admiring how clever he is - and I genuinely think Hawtin shows a profound intelligence about how he applies the new opportunities which these latest technologies offer - I found myself drifting. I think I can only take so much technological advancement at a time. Then I kind of withdraw, hoping to hear some actual music. Perhaps something which completes rather than loops over another loop or even four fragments looped at the same time. He's talking about the use of the kit more than making tracks, I think it's cool to show people how you work but it is a tad geeky :) Not ground breaking but it will help people. The day when these genuinely impressive techniques add up to something equally as genuinely impressive coming out of the speakers will be the day when many luddites just using one laptop [ha, I'm not even going to mention the pre-historic relics, like me, who use that black plastic stuff!) won't be allowed to DJ anymore due to being seen as a comedy act. Room for all I reckon but we did laugh at the need to entertain in the video - what a tragic rockism. m
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but i see what you mean about the drifting.. he's such a geek LOL. But it gets me thinking that I really need to go out and see Richie to see it all happening.. the music he is playing against is boring (but probably for demonstration purposes) I'm sure I've had plenty of ops to see him in the past year and I just turned a blind eye... On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 9:18 PM, Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Interesting little video: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6n4cy_richie-hawtin-traktor-setup_music m
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On 5 Sep 2008, at 14:37, Odeluga, Ken wrote: Lol! Didn't spot that, but it's true innit! :) It's like, 'give 'em yer geeh-thar solo buba'! I'll never really understand the DJ/Entertain thing in techno, mainly because I don't think it has a place. As ever, Hawtin is great value as a whipping boy. But as ever, I can't help but secretly admire the man. I mean he's fg excellent at what he does and he also makes some excellent music too - often, not always. I acknowledge how my sometimes faux, sometimes real criticisms, are rooted in a degreee of jealousy, for sure! For sure but I love the geekery. We played in Ireland last year and this guy came so close to us it was unreal, he was straining to see what was on the screens. So I took his camera and did him some shots if he'd go away :). Annoyed me but he just wanted to see how it works. I've seen people watch DJ's on the mixer like that as well. I guess if you work alone it's the only way to figure things out. m
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I've learned a lot about DJ'ing from watching DJs play. Especially watching Terrence Parker -- but of course when I try and do the things he does it doesn't come out quite so great. On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 8:47 AM, Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For sure but I love the geekery. We played in Ireland last year and this guy came so close to us it was unreal, he was straining to see what was on the screens. So I took his camera and did him some shots if he'd go away :). Annoyed me but he just wanted to see how it works. I've seen people watch DJ's on the mixer like that as well. I guess if you work alone it's the only way to figure things out.
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interesting, but I couldn't help but think, over and over, wow, this has been done for at least 5 years, by people with a lot less of a reputation for pushing the envelope than you. oh well, he does his thing and does it well - Original Message - From: Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 Mailing List 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 7:18 AM Subject: (313) Richie Hawtin's Traktor setup Interesting little video: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6n4cy_richie-hawtin-traktor-setup_music m
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On 5 Sep 2008, at 16:50, kent williams wrote: I've learned a lot about DJ'ing from watching DJs play. Especially watching Terrence Parker -- but of course when I try and do the things he does it doesn't come out quite so great. I watched Claude Young for 3hrs and decided to use a laptop :) m
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Watching Claude work records, trigger loops, and joke around with people around him at same time, will make you want to hang it up altogether ;-) On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 10:58 AM, Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 5 Sep 2008, at 16:50, kent williams wrote: I've learned a lot about DJ'ing from watching DJs play. Especially watching Terrence Parker -- but of course when I try and do the things he does it doesn't come out quite so great. I watched Claude Young for 3hrs and decided to use a laptop :) m
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On 5 Sep 2008, at 17:02, kent williams wrote: Watching Claude work records, trigger loops, and joke around with people around him at same time, will make you want to hang it up altogether ;-) It pretty much did :) m
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I don't know why I get so bothered by this. To quote my dear friend Curt Jackson, you have all the music the entire world has to offer at your fingertips, and this is what you play? Just so boring. A On Fri, September 5, 2008 12:06 pm, Martin Dust wrote: On 5 Sep 2008, at 17:02, kent williams wrote: Watching Claude work records, trigger loops, and joke around with people around him at same time, will make you want to hang it up altogether ;-) It pretty much did :) m
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Amen! ;) On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 9:02 AM, kent williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Watching Claude work records, trigger loops, and joke around with people around him at same time, will make you want to hang it up altogether ;-) On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 10:58 AM, Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 5 Sep 2008, at 16:50, kent williams wrote: I've learned a lot about DJ'ing from watching DJs play. Especially watching Terrence Parker -- but of course when I try and do the things he does it doesn't come out quite so great. I watched Claude Young for 3hrs and decided to use a laptop :) m -- -- Southern Outpost Sydney - San Francisco - Berlin http://www.southernoutpost.com --
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yes, it's definitly not rocket science nor anything special at all. interesting, but I couldn't help but think, over and over, wow, this has been done for at least 5 years, by people with a lot less of a reputation for pushing the envelope than you.
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I have to admit, he comes across as charismatic (and energetic!) in this clip, so I can see that appeal. It is an interesting explanation and for folks curious about what he's up to and how he does it, it seems illuminating. That said, he does have a sometimes overstated approach; he tends to claim every new gadget is revolutionary, and this presentation / advertisement style seems to gain him some fans and detractors, more than the technology itself. Then again, the overstatement could just be that he's an excitable fellow ^^ I've seen similar tutorial videos from Christopher Willits (XLR8R) and Robert Henke (I don't remember who presented it but I believe it was a seminar in NZ) where they explain what, to me, seemed significantly more nuanced and complicated, yet both of these fellows explain in understated way. Maybe an apples-and-oranges comparison, though, since these latter two explanations were on production / live performance techniques vs DJing. As usual, thanks for sharing the video, Martin. m At 06:52 2008.09.05, /0 wrote: interesting, but I couldn't help but think, over and over, wow, this has been done for at least 5 years, by people with a lot less of a reputation for pushing the envelope than you. oh well, he does his thing and does it well - Original Message - From: Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 Mailing List 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 7:18 AM Subject: (313) Richie Hawtin's Traktor setup Interesting little video: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6n4cy_richie-hawtin-traktor-setup_music m
